Another AOL decision
LVScott
> I've just confirmed that AOL has decided to block a Usenet group which
> has nothing to do with illegal and/or immoral activity.
>
> The Usenet group is
>
> alt.fan.art-bell
>
> (Starts at 2AM eastern M-F). ArtBell is also a "member" of AOL. A
> few weeks ago, ArtBell violated TOS by posting a message to the Usenet
> group with pretty harsh profanity (in response to a message about his
> wife, which I haven't seen).
>
> It isn't clear if they blocked the news group to prevent ArtBell from
> posting additional messages and creating a big celebrity / PR problem
> (similar to several other incidents where celebrities on AOL have been
> TOSed and/or cancelled their accounts in very public ways), or if AOL
> has taken it upon themselves to protect ArtBell's sensitive eyes from
> people who don't think much of his work.
>
> Anyone want to take a shot at explaining this?
Those are pretty good theories. I wonder what the actual reasons were.
My guess is that they didn't like Art's F****** JERK comment, or they
realize that Art is lossing so many fans that he is no longer worthy of
his own newsgroup.
taylork.ch...@ohsu.edu
>From: arts...@pop3.cris.com (Art Stone)
>Subject: Another AOL decision
>Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 04:23:11 GMT
After the attacks on his wife it would not surprise me if Art himself asked
for the group to be blocked. I might if it were me. I don't think you have
the right to use his name without his permission.
>I've just confirmed that AOL has decided to block a Usenet group which
>has nothing to do with illegal and/or immoral activity.
>The Usenet group is
>alt.fan.art-bell
>This has been a subject within that newsgroup for about a week. Art
>Bell is a syndicated radio talk show host on an overnight talk show
Alison Rosenstengel
<taylork.ch...@ohsu.edu> wrote:
>After the attacks on his wife it would not surprise me if Art himself asked
>for the group to be blocked. I might if it were me. I don't think you have
>the right to use his name without his permission.
So, you're saying that if one of 4.5 million America Online members asks
for a newsgroup to be blocked, it's OK for America Online to deny access
to that newsgroup to the other 4,499,999 members who might want to read it?
(And why wouldn't you be allowed to use his name?)
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: In article <taylork.chc.son....@ohsu.edu>,
: <taylork.ch...@ohsu.edu> wrote:
: >After the attacks on his wife it would not surprise me if Art himself asked
: >for the group to be blocked. I might if it were me. I don't think you have
: >the right to use his name without his permission.
: So, you're saying that if one of 4.5 million America Online members asks
: for a newsgroup to be blocked, it's OK for America Online to deny access
: to that newsgroup to the other 4,499,999 members who might want to read it?
If by 'OK' you mean legal, then yes, it's OK. Is it reasonable, fair, and
(subjectively speaking) right? No. But then, AOL has never really
worried about any of THOSE things when making their decisions.
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Alison Rosenstengel
>Alison Rosenstengel (ch...@widomaker.com) wrote:
>: In article <taylork.chc.son....@ohsu.edu>,
>: <taylork.ch...@ohsu.edu> wrote:
>: >After the attacks on his wife it would not surprise me if Art himself asked
>: >for the group to be blocked. I might if it were me. I don't think you have
>: >the right to use his name without his permission.
>
>: So, you're saying that if one of 4.5 million America Online members asks
>: for a newsgroup to be blocked, it's OK for America Online to deny access
>: to that newsgroup to the other 4,499,999 members who might want to read it?
>
>If by 'OK' you mean legal, then yes, it's OK. Is it reasonable, fair, and
>(subjectively speaking) right? No. But then, AOL has never really
>worried about any of THOSE things when making their decisions.
There is, however, one thing that nobody in this thread has mentioned:
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> From: Brian Trosko <btr...@primenet.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.fan.art-bell
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codepoet
>On Tue, 23 Jan 1996, Ross Bench wrote:
>> >My guess is that they didn't like Art's F****** JERK comment, or they
>> >realize that Art is lossing so many fans that he is no longer worthy of
>> >his own newsgroup.
>>
>
>BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>
>> At the very least, the drivel from AOL.com will be reduced dramatically .. :()
>
>Yes, now maybe this newsgroup can return to normal without the hateful
>posts of Art Bell.
>>
>> I believe we now know why Art Bell no longer "chooses" to post to this
>> group... I'd bet good money that Art was shut out from this group by
>> AOL edict and he just posted his "I'm no longer posting here" message
>> as cop out...
>
>I think you maybe right.
>
>> And to think it all started from this little statement of opinion:
>>
>> "When I saw the picture of Art and his wife, these words came to mind;"
>> "Hey Joe, long time five bucks" ...
>
>That was just the excuse Art used. He could see that his fans were
>turning against him in droves. He couldn't bare to see the truth
>posted about him and his show since he had no defense against it.
>
>> The statement was even prefaced with the comment that it was a "cheap shot"..
>>
>> Art couldn't take that for some unknown reason (too much truth maybe ??), and
>> responded with threatening and foul mouthed dialogue (both E-Mail and public).
>
>Art's reply was much worse! As a "celebrity" he should be able to take
>this kind of thing.
>
>> True sign of a professional...
>>
>> I've had plenty of things said about both myself and my wife and I have never
>> had the immaturity or stupidity to reply to it with threats.
>
>Same here. We are mature enough. Art isn't.
>>
>> Most of the time I just ignore it...
>> Like, who gives a damn what anyone on the Net thinks anyway ???
>
>Apparently Art and his brown noser fans do. Again this just shows a lack
>of self esteem, maturity, and security.
>>
>> Art should have been a man about it and kept his mouth shut...
>
>He should have been a man about it period. He is worthless and weak.
I'd bet anything that Art himself had the sub shut down. How? Simple. See,
Art sees things in a narrow view. He read the posts and spent a sleepless
day thinking about how to get back at "them". He probably figurd that
since the newsgroup name was "Art-Bell" he could demand to AOL that they
shut it down. After all, is Was a newsgroup about Him. At first glance,
this still seems implausable, but consider this: Art is a talk-show host.
All he can do well is talk. He's pretty good at it. In fact, I think he's
so good at convencing his audience of BS, that he's an Expert Social
Engeneer. This in mind, he went to AOL, asked for the top of the top
honcho, and started is talk-radio-babble. Since at first he sounds
credible, they shut it down. Also, he could have demanded it because his
name was on Their system. That might have been a legal problem so they
just decided to shut it down for him without argument. Art might have
thought this would "teach them a lesson". Art probably thinks this
newsgroup is gone forever... thinking that AOL is all there is, or that if
he doesnt see it, it doesnt see him. Just my theory.
Ross Bench
>
>After the attacks on his wife it would not surprise me if Art himself asked
>for the group to be blocked. I might if it were me. I don't think you have
>the right to use his name without his permission.
Are you such a marshmallow that just a couple cheap shots would make you run
and hide your head in the sand ???
Oh yeah, you're gonna survive the "end of the world" ... HA !
I'll be in line waiting for Art to sign my copy of his book when he comes to
Portland..
And then I'll tear the pages out one by one and use them as toilet paper...
Let's see what the little weasel has to say to me in person.. :)
If I know my drunks, it'll involve either a trip to the hospital or jail !!
Vinny Hrovat
(Crosstalk about Art Bell clipped)
>I don't think you have the right to use his name without his permission.
How could one post to Art Bell's newsgroup without using his name? (Hint: it
is part of the newsgroup name . . . . ) Or is everybody here getting Art
Bell's permission first? And how do you email to him to get his permission
without . . . using his name? If he doesn't want his name used, why doesn't
he have the newsgroup rm'd?
Taylork from OHSU, you can't censor Usenet that way. Try America Online; the
only problem there is they never tell what you have the "right" to say.
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LVScott (Lvs...@cris.com) wrote:
: On Wed, 24 Jan 1996, Dan Morisseau wrote:
: > In article LVScott <Lvs...@cris.com> writes:
: >
: > > He couldn't bare to see the truth ...
: >
: > Learn to spell; you worthless antisemitic dipstick!
: >
: > Dan Morisseau
: > N7ZXL
: For those of you who would like to talk Dan Morisseau to discuss his
: racist views you can send mail to him at:
You IDIOT. He says you are an anti-semitic, and you respond by
claiming he is a racist? REAL bright...
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Art Stone
>I've just confirmed that AOL has decided to block a Usenet group which
>has nothing to do with illegal and/or immoral activity.
>The Usenet group is
>alt.fan.art-bell
Well, since I started this, I will try to end it.
As subsequent posters have pointed out, this newsgroup was Removed
from Usenet. AOL honored the request to remove the group, which was a
reasonable thing to do. Here is the entire history of
alt.fan.art-bell from the UUNet FTP Control archive
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From: j...@ramp.com (Jeff Wheelhouse)
Newsgroups: control,alt.config,alt.test
Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.fan.art-bell
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Woof wham! It is done... I'm creating this group for one of users
who
went through all the usual alt.config stuph. Note I do not know who
Art
Bell is or why he has fans, so I was unable to come up with a witty
newsgroups line.
For your newsgroups file:
alt.fan.art-bell For fans of Art Bell
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From: Brian Trosko <btr...@primenet.com>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.art-bell
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Now, it isn't clear (to me) why the group was started twice or who
Brian Trosko is, or why he had the authority to kill the group. But
it wasn't a decision AOL made.
My apologies...
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Art Stone
While I was researching this issue, I noticed in today's Control group
(The Control Usenet group contains cancels and commands to the Usenet
News Servers)...
The Association of Shareware Professionals submitted a rmgroup for
alt.binaries.warez.ibm-pc
Now, I don't know if this is a regular submission or if this is the
first time...
Since AOL already has dropped the warez hierarchy, this won't affect
them.... However.....
Jani Pearce
arts...@pop3.cris.com (Art Stone) wrote:
>Oh, by the way...
>
>While I was researching this issue, I noticed in today's Control group
>(The Control Usenet group contains cancels and commands to the Usenet
>News Servers)...
>
>The Association of Shareware Professionals submitted a rmgroup for
>
>alt.binaries.warez.ibm-pc
>
>Now, I don't know if this is a regular submission or if this is the
>first time...
From what I've heard from a friend of mine who frequents warez, it
happens all the time. Never lasts long though.
>Since AOL already has dropped the warez hierarchy, this won't affect
>them.... However.....
It'll get fixed I'm sure. Why AOL won't carry it is beyond me...
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Art Stone
>I've just confirmed that AOL has decided to block a Usenet group which
>has nothing to do with illegal and/or immoral activity.
>The Usenet group is
>alt.fan.art-bell
Just in case my Cancel actually took, a brief followup...
On the 4th of January, Brian Trosko (btr...@primenet.com) did issue
a rmgroup Control Message to cause this alt. group to be deleted by
AOL (but not by my provider, and many others it would seem). As
posted elsewhere, the rmgroup was issued on the basis that
alt.fan.art-bell was obsolete due to a new mailing list.
The group was created twice (?), by
Jeff Wheelhouse (j...@ramp.com) on Jun 24, 1994
Bert Hyman (be...@rsvl.unisys.com) on Jun 27, 1995
What AOL did in removing the group was proper given the control
message which they surely received. I retract my original claim that
AOL was "blocking access" to this group and apologize for that claim.
The process of how control messages are passed around and who is
authorized to issue rmgroup messages and why some are followed and
some aren't is still something of a mystery, but I'm sure it will
become clearer in time :)
one fish, two fish
Stone) wrote:
|arts...@pop3.cris.com (Art Stone) wrote:
|The process of how control messages are passed around and who is
|authorized to issue rmgroup messages and why some are followed and
|some aren't is still something of a mystery, but I'm sure it will
|become clearer in time :)
Well, here's some clarity then!
Any news server administrator and just about anyone else capable of doing
some simple NNTP hacking can issue a newgroup or rmgroup control message.
It's not much different from (than for TriciaJT) cancelling a post, real
or forged. The messages get passed along in the feed just like any other
news post.
All the responsibiity for what happens to those control messages belongs
to the individual news admins.
Once, when Usenet was smaller and the computers were less decentralized
(less opportunity for abuse), the control messages were often handled
automatically. A few sites still operate that way.
Now that the whole thing is much more widespread, control messages usually
are diverted to the news admins' mailboxes so that a human being can
review controls and act on them manually.
Anyway, it is up to each news admin to read the posts in news.groups and
alt.config, then decide whether to honor the rmgroup/newgroup message
locally. The sites on autopilot will see groups come and go erratically
as legitimate and spurious control messages pass through.
In other words, the whole process is somewhere between democratic and
arbitrary (especially for the alt.* stuff). Most admins will follow the
wishes of the news.groups/alt.config crowd for order's sake, but they
don't *have* to do that.
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LVScott <Lvs...@cris.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 22 Jan 1996 taylork.ch...@ohsu.edu wrote:
__________________________Snip_snip_______________________________________
> We all know the real reason he left was because a
>growing number of fans were starting to see the truth about Art so he had
>to run and hide. He could not hang up on us here like he can on his radio
>show.
Yeah, that's pretty much the impression I got also.
Joe
Tim Hill
dp...@dpm3.seanet.com (Dan Morisseau) wrote:
> Dan Morisseau
> N7ZXL
> 47 17' 16"N / 122 11' 40"W
> Elevation: 300'
After your last post, I'm sure your altitude is now 306'.
Tim Hill
You will eat, bye and bye,
In that glorious land above the sky:
Work and pray, live on hay,
You'll get pie in the sky when you die.
--Joe Hill
Mr. Ed
Hello, Mr. Rowland.
I owe this group and the list people an apology. I was wrong. I
wrote a post a few days ago expressing my digust at Keith Rowland's mail
list's censorship. Well, evidently I'm all wet. Tim Tulley very
graciously pointed out to me in an e-mail message that he [begin quote]
"think[s] you might want to check out the list before throwing around
words like Nazi, and censorship. There have been 3 threads killed on the
group, all at the request of either participants in that thread or by
other list members, that was the PC vs. Mac discussion. If you think UFO
belivers can be boring - you ain't seen nothing. Addoration of the Great
God Art is not a requirement of the list either, I think that idea came
from people who either didn't want to join or were pre-banned like Tim
Hill (a decision that I dissagreed with). As far as I know there has
been no censoring of posts to the list." [End of quote by Tim Tulley]
Well, Keith, I apologize. I have read countless posts saying that
you censor anyone who disagrees with Art Bell, and I spoke up before
verifying the facts. I'm sorry, I shouldn't have spoken before I got my
facts straight.
However, I still do think that it is wrong to dismantle the
a.f.a.b. NG. It may be "obsolete" for people who disagree with its
stridency, but that is apparently settled with the mail list. There are
those people, however, who wish to continue posting on a.f.a.b., me being
one of them. So the group is self-evidently not, in fact, obsolete. So,
in my opinion, people on the mail list should be satisfied with the mail
list, and leave the NG alone.
I am curious about one thing, however. I'm sure you've seen some
of my posts. You know that I'm not rude or profane. You know that I've
never put anyone down. I do, however, vehemently disagree with MANY, MANY
things about Art Bell's program. I have listened to Art Bell for around
20 years, and I was an impassioned, hard-core fan for many years. I
missed countless hours of sleep listening to Ray Breem on KABC, then Art
on KDWN from the Four Aces (Nugget?) casino.
He has changed, however. I personally believe it happened when he
split from his wife. In my opinion, he now engages in completely
nonsensical hysteria such as Hale-Bopp destroying Earth, Ebola destroying
Earth, Hantavirus destroying Earth, Alien Abductions destroying Earth,
Jupiter going nova (from an infinitesimally small piece of matter) and
destroying Earth, Boring-Michael Scorpion destroying Earth (GMS is the
one person whom I have consistently mocked. To me he is a repellent fraud
who exists for no other purpose than to terrify gullible people into
believing he is a seer when he is demonstrably (and monstrously) proven
to be a charlatan), bad weather in Washington D.C. destroying the Earth,
floods in the Midwest destroying the Earth, etc.
Art will get all terrified about something, (the Crisis of the
Week) and forget about it a week later, when he'll be terrified of
something else, which is in turn forgotten in favor of something else the
next week, etc. So the Ebola breakout is quickly forgotten, Hale-Bopp
also, the floods dried up, the rabbits in OZ died from a virus, as
they've been dying from viruses since the fifties, and eventually it
becomes a joke. I can now tell, within the first 60 seconds of a show,
whether Art will be off on some loopy, insane bit of nonsense that he
will spend the rest of the show talking about in horrified, immpassioned
tones as if the end is truly nigh. So, I just shut it off.
I think when Art is truly himself and not the New Age, whacko
Pagan Art, who accepts the bilge of 30-mile high buildings on the moon,
and "earth changes" that never occur, that he is one of the most
incisive, intelligent analysts of current affairs that we have on the
planet. Some of the political analyses I recall him saying during Nixon,
Ford, Carter and Reagan were BRILLIANT. There were constant lively
discussions of our world, politics, and where we were headed, and what to
do about it. But the Art of old only shows in sad, fleeting momentary
slices before an Alien calls in, or an immortal, or some weather patterns
shift somewhere, or a mysterious, frightening FAX from Michael Scorpion
is read and BOOM, Art is lost, and the show is basically flip city
nutso whacko from that point onwards. So, Mr Rowland, my statement to you
is that I am indeed a FAN of Art Bell. I post harsh posts because I want
the show to move back into the realm of reality. But, I AM a fan, in that
I care about Art's show, and what he could mean to people if he were to
return to his roots, and forget the Outer-Limits type stuff. So, I am
wondering, for my own personal edification, if I were a member of your
mail list and submitted this, or someone else on your list were to submit
this post, would you accept it, or reject it? Thank you for your patience
in reading this long post.
Ed Wilkinson
(Mr Ed)
joco...@cdsnet.net
Wrightburk
>
>What AOL did in removing the group was proper given the control
>message which they surely received. I retract my original claim that
>AOL was "blocking access" to this group and apologize for that claim.
>
>
How rare to find someone in this group able to acknowledge mistakes and
apologise. Nice one mate, score 3 integrity points.
Unless of course Steve 'sent the boys round', in which case you're a
lily-livered wuss.
Your Friend,
A Wright-Burke
Art Stone
Maverick
On Mon, 29 Jan 1996, Tim Hill wrote:
> In article <dpm3.887...@dpm3.seanet.com>,
> dp...@dpm3.seanet.com (Dan Morisseau) wrote:
>
> > Dan Morisseau
> > N7ZXL
> > 47 17' 16"N / 122 11' 40"W
> > Elevation: 300'
>
> After your last post, I'm sure your altitude is now 306'.
That wouldn't be because the shit is piled so high is it?
Scott Dentice
hink that idea came
>from people who either didn't want to join or were pre-banned like Tim
>Hill (a decision that I dissagreed with). As far as I know there has
>been no censoring of posts to the list." [End of quote by Tim Tulley]
>
> Well, Keith, I apologize. I have read countless posts saying that
>you censor anyone who disagrees with Art Bell, and I spoke up before
>verifying the facts. I'm sorry, I shouldn't have spoken before I got my
>facts straight.
Here is a fact you can verify. I used to go on the Art_Bell irc channel.
I was not rude or profane but was banned from the channel. Why you ask?
Because I made some people uncomfortable by being there. They threatened
to stay off the channel if the operator didn't ban me. These are the
same type of people who subscribe to the mailing list. Your original
letter was correct very well written.
>
> However, I still do think that it is wrong to dismantle the
>a.f.a.b. NG. It may be "obsolete" for people who disagree with its
>stridency, but that is apparently settled with the mail list. There are
>those people, however, who wish to continue posting on a.f.a.b., me >being one of them. So the group is self-evidently not, in fact=
, >obsolete. So, in my opinion, people on the mail list should be satisfied >with the mail list, and leave the NG alone.
Excellent point but the people on the mailing list suffer from an
abnormal mental condition. They have a biological defect in the brain
which forces them to read messages that they don't like and then run and
complain to system administartors trying to censor anyone who does
not feel exactly as they do.
> I am curious about one thing, however. I'm sure you've seen some
>of my posts. You know that I'm not rude or profane. You know that I've
>never put anyone down. I do, however, vehemently disagree with MANY, >MANY things about Art Bell's program.
According to the Art Bell ass kissers, this type of attitude is not
allowed here, on the Art Bell irc channel or in the mailing list. They
especially hate it when you prove why Art is full of it. They blindly
follow their hero and can not stand it when we post the truth to expose
Art for the phoney that he is.
>is that I am indeed a FAN of Art Bell. I post harsh posts because I want
>the show to move back into the realm of reality. But, I AM a fan, in >that I care about Art's show, and what he could mean to peopl=
e if he >were to return to his roots, and forget the Outer-Limits type stuff. So,
This is the exact reason that I showed up on this newsgroup several
months ago. Many others have showed up here for the same reason.
Tim Hill
<LVSc...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Here is a fact you can verify. I used to go on the Art_Bell irc channel.
I was not rude or profane but was banned from the channel. Why you ask?
> Because I made some people uncomfortable by being there. They threatened
to stay off the channel if the operator didn't ban me. These are the
> same type of people who subscribe to the mailing list. Your original
letter was correct very well written.
This story matches what Amnesia, an #art_bell op, told me. You might ask
her yourself, why lvscott was banned. I suggest you do so a couple of
hours before Art is on the air, when the channel participation level is
low; otherwise, you might be lost in the other noise.
--Tim Hill
You will eat, bye and bye,
In the glorious land above the sky;
Work and pray, live on hay,
You'll get pie in the sky when you die
--Joe Hill "The Preacher and the Slave"
Tim Hill
>joco...@cdsnet.net (Mr. Ed) wrote:
>hink that idea came
>>from people who either didn't want to join or were pre-banned like Tim
>>Hill (a decision that I dissagreed with). As far as I know there has
>>been no censoring of posts to the list." [End of quote by Tim Tulley]
So please enlighten me. What is the difference. Prior restraint is worse
than censorship after the fact. That the List Nazi pre-bans anyone is
reprehensible. I'd argue the same if it were Farmer Gum who was
pre-banned rather than I.
Tim Hill
"You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians
and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that,
and the other thing. Nonsense. I don't have to be nice to
the spirit of the Antichrist.
(Pat Robertson, The 700 Club, January 14, 1991)
Tim Tulley
>So please enlighten me. What is the difference. Prior restraint is worse
>than censorship after the fact. That the List Nazi pre-bans anyone is
>reprehensible. I'd argue the same if it were Farmer Gum who was
>pre-banned rather than I.
Tim,
I'm not going to argue a point that I dissagree with. I supported
your inclusion on the list, for that matter Scott's and Ross Bench's.
Since I wrote the letter to Ed: mjp joined, and got kicked from the
list. He probably will be glad to know there were a flurry of letters
that stated they found the "Airstrem Posts" funny and wished them to
continue. I did post the airstream web site so they could check on
the doings at the marvlous airstream.
Tim
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I don't care if I'm a Lemming, I'm not going!
Tim Tulley, Rochester NY
Chapter head of Christians and Athiests united against creeping Agnostisism
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Tim Hill
timc...@servtech.com (Tim Tulley) wrote:
> Since I wrote the letter to Ed: mjp joined, and got kicked from the
>list. He probably will be glad to know there were a flurry of letters
>that stated they found the "Airstrem Posts" funny and wished them to
>continue. I did post the airstream web site so they could check on
>the doings at the marvlous airstream.
Was mjp banned for posting the _Airstream Chronicles_? Wow, the List
Nazi must have absolutely no sense of humor what so ever. mjp's tales
of life in Pahrump are very funny.
Tim Hill
Having Al D'Amato lead an ethics investigation is like
asking Bob Dornan to head up a mental health task force.
--Al Franken, _Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot_
Brian D Foote
: In article <4f6i51$k...@murphy.servtech.com>,
: timc...@servtech.com (Tim Tulley) wrote:
: >list. He probably will be glad to know there were a flurry of letters
: >that stated they found the "Airstrem Posts" funny and wished them to
: Was mjp banned for posting the _Airstream Chronicles_? Wow, the List
: of life in Pahrump are very funny.
: Tim Hill
He got bumped because he was not allowed on the list, and used a fake
name to get back on. When he did get on, he posted about a half dozen of
those Airstream things along with several flames filled with lies and no
substance whatsoever in a single day. When I saw the first Airstream
post, I though "Gee, this is mildly humorous." it grew old really quick
for me though. If he had posted a sample of the Chronicles, along with
info on how to get the rest, and asked whether they were appropriate to
post, I would agree that he shouldn't have been bumped.
As it is, he just came in and made an ass of himself. He deserved what
he got. Its Keith's list, he can do whatever the hell he wants. If you
don't like it, don't join (with a real name, or fake one)
-Brian
Tim Tulley
>Was mjp banned for posting the _Airstream Chronicles_? Wow, the List
>Nazi must have absolutely no sense of humor what so ever. mjp's tales
>of life in Pahrump are very funny.
Actually I think he was banned for posting them all at once, as
opposed to one or 2 an hour, or even day. In any case he said he quit
because he thought the list was creating a void in his brain - or
words to that effect.
Maverick
On Wed, 7 Feb 1996, Tim Hill wrote:
> Was mjp banned for posting the _Airstream Chronicles_? Wow, the List
> Nazi must have absolutely no sense of humor what so ever. mjp's tales
> of life in Pahrump are very funny.
The truth must really hurt Keith for him to delete MJP from the loser list.
Just goes to show you how power goes to people's heads.