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gerry armstrong

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Dec 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/24/98
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The cult is very close to having to publicly, and not in sound bites,
answer, debate and communicate before the world about its values,
nature, source, validity, value, products, policies, practices and
personnel. The war is completely on their turf. The recent TV shows
were an opportunity wasted by Miscavige's $cientology on ineffective
and stupid Hubbardian PR, as ultimately articulated by Kirstie Alley.
Let us move toward a national level debate or hearing. Television from
other countries does get into the US, so let's hold them there. Let's
debate this US export, this US "religion."

(c) Gerry Armstrong

Steve Zadarnowski

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Dec 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/24/98
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arms...@dowco.com (gerry armstrong) wrote:

Scientology, owned and operated by half-assed morons who seized power
when Hubbard was too weak to object. They might put on a flash show
at the AOs, but the class IV orgs are still ratholes looking for an
excuse to burn down.

S

Gary

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Dec 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/24/98
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My how you rant and flail, dimwit. And how short your memory is.

First of all let's debate *your* legal standing
in California.

You are a fugitive from Justice. Go to California and serve your sentence.

On Thu, 24 Dec 1998 05:10:39 GMT, arms...@dowco.com (gerry armstrong) wrote:

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Deana Holmes

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Dec 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/24/98
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You would really like that, wouldn't you?

You don't think that it wouldn't be a PR nightmare for a church to have
someone locked up for violating an agreement which basically shocks the
conscience? I have this feeling that it would be a very bad thing, and
would confirm in the minds of many that Scn is no church.

I want to know who is going to censor Gerry's mail if/when he ends up in
jail, to keep him from talking about Scientology. Jailers, the judge,
Scientology?

Deana Holmes
mir...@xmission.com

Tilman Hausherr

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Dec 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/25/98
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>My how you rant and flail, dimwit. And how short your memory is.
>
>First of all let's debate *your* legal standing
>in California.
>
>You are a fugitive from Justice. Go to California and serve your sentence.

Why is scientology then offering him a ticket to Florida for his next
depo?

Tilman

--
Tilman Hausherr [KoX, SP4]
til...@berlin.snafu.de http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/#cos

Resistance is futile. You will be enturbulated. Xenu always prevails.

Clearwater pictures: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/4497/clearwater/index.html
Find broken links on your web site: http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/xenulink.html
Annoy scientology by buying books: http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/bookstore.html

Deana Holmes

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Dec 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/25/98
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Oh what a surprise.. I had no Idea.. Is this candid camera!?
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William Barwell

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Dec 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/27/98
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In article <1998122421...@replay.com>, Gary <ga...@nym.alias.net> wrote:
>My how you rant and flail, dimwit. And how short your memory is.
>
>First of all let's debate *your* legal standing
>in California.
>

Hey, debate them on space cooties, clamboy!
Is it true that Scientology charges huge amounts of money to exorcise
- get this - dead alien space coooooooties!

Snort! Guffaw! BTs, clusters, space cooties.
And where did these space cootioes come from?
Heh! Heh! Created by an ancient outer psace dictator dude
named Xenu!
Har! What a knee slapper!


>You are a fugitive from Justice. Go to California and serve your sentence.
>

You are a member of that infamously stupid space cootie cult,
Stupidology.
Give 'em more money!


Heh! I can see why you have an anonymous account.
Imagine everybody around you knowing you are a member
of that damned, nasty, hateful space cootie shit-for-brains
cult!


What a winner!


Pope Charles
SubGenius Pope Of Houston
Slack!


Rev Dennis Erlich

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Dec 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/27/98
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stephanie england drank a pitcher of margaritas, smoked some happy weed,
logged onto the 'net and meowed in message <367F3FFA...@usit.net>...

>YOU GUYS MUST BE STUPED! WHY DO YOU WAIST YOUR TIME LOOKING AT UGLY
>PICTURES WHEN YOU COULD BE OUT MEETING NICE CRISTEN GIRLS LIKE ME?YOU
>ARE SOME SICK PEOPLE.
>I HOPE YOUR WIFES CATCH ON!
>STEPHANIE ENGLAND step...@yahoo.com
>

Mike de Wolf

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Dec 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/27/98
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On 24 Dec 1998 09:02:51 PST, inFo...@informer.org (Rev Dennis Erlich)
wrote:

>Last time I debated Heber, his body raisins took over and the host
>had to cut his mic off. His best response to my trying to answer a
>listener's question regarding one of the abovementioned points, was to
>get out of his chair come around to where I was sitting, and try to
>drown me out by screamed into my mic, "YOU'RE ON DRUGS!, YOU'RE ON
>DRUGS!"

Ah yes, the Jane Norris Show on KFI Los Angeles. I remember it well.


I don't know why they used Heber as a spokesperson for so many years.
He always comes off like a raving fanatic.

I suppose that because this is the on-policy way to respond, no one
knew how weird he come off to the general public.

Mike de Wolf


Mike de Wolf

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Dec 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/27/98
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On 24 Dec 1998 22:02:13 +0100, ga...@nym.alias.net (Gary) wrote:

>My how you rant and flail, dimwit. And how short your memory is.
>
>First of all let's debate *your* legal standing
>in California.
>

>You are a fugitive from Justice. Go to California and serve your sentence.

A nice on-policy response that attacks the critic rather than
addresses any of the issues raised.

Mike de Wolf

Rob Clark

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Dec 29, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/29/98
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On 24 Dec 1998 09:02:51 PST, inFo...@informer.org (Rev Dennis Erlich) wrote:

>arms...@dowco.com (gerry armstrong):

> Last time I debated Heber, his body raisins took over and the host
>had to cut his mic off. His best response to my trying to answer a
>listener's question regarding one of the abovementioned points, was to
>get out of his chair come around to where I was sitting, and try to
>drown me out by screamed into my mic, "YOU'RE ON DRUGS!, YOU'RE ON
>DRUGS!"

> No, they won't debate, Gerry.

just for those who haven't yet heard it, this whole hysterically funny public
flip-out by the Clown Prince of Scieno PR heber jentzsch is webbed--it is at
http://www.users.wineasy.se/noname/multimed/index.htm
http://www.users.wineasy.se/noname/multimed/kfi1.ram
is the first of the files. i forget exactly where heber flips out, but the
whole thing is worth a listen.

heber is exquisitely insane.

rob

Rev Dennis Erlich

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Dec 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/31/98
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ke...@mira.net (Kerro) wrote:

: Pinhead the Cenobite wrote:

: > You for got Bad Religion, asswipe. Don't feed me any shit about "sell-out"
: > punkers either.

: Did you ever see that film, "Hard Core Logo"? A must for all fans of 70/80s
: Punk bands still flogging the same tired old songs in the late '90s.
: As I recently (and not for the first time either) told that Rush-worshipping
: idiot, Head Librarian, there's more inspired stuff happening in contemporary
: music, and it doesn't usually feature guitars.

I just bought Rush's new live album "Different Stages" and it ROCKS.

Why do you think Rush fills the big arenas and stadiums year after year?
Why do you think Rush has sold 70 million albums worldwide, without even
one hit single?

Because there are lots of people who don't care about what is trendy
just now, and which blonde singer has the greatest hair this year.
It's the music that matters.

Imagine that! There are still people who can respect the classics.
If you can't respect old, you can't respect new.

: About the only worthwhile stuff coming out in recent years has been
: from the Techno/Dance/Drum&Bass etc scene, and even those people seem to
: be in danger of running out of ideas.

Name one techno band who has put out some "worthwile" stuff. From the last
decade, Yello is the only one I can think of.


--
Kristian Mikael Tanner < Head Librarian >

There are very few personal problems that cannot be solved through a
suitable application of high explosives.

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