New XP Findings
Scott Hendryx
DWI Education Program. I have a HP 895CXI hooked up and it
printed page 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, so all my stuff is order. Pretty
neat, I didn't tell it to do this. XPee is smrat.
Scott Hendryx
Xpeeing
Jefferson N. Glapski
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Great. Can I change the "program files" directory to the name
"programs?" I would really like to program with perl.
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Jefferson N. Glapski
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WE ARE . . . PENN STATE
Scott Hendryx
"Jefferson N. Glapski" <jngW...@PENNSTATEibl.bm> wrote in
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> "Scott Hendryx" <sdhe...@spammage.attbi.com> wrote in message
> news:uC248.1039$tn2.2962@rwcrnsc53...
> > I just printed out a 5 page list of places I can go to take
the
> > DWI Education Program. I have a HP 895CXI hooked up and it
> > printed page 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, so all my stuff is order. Pretty
> > neat, I didn't tell it to do this. XPee is smrat.
>
>
> Great. Can I change the "program files" directory to the name
> "programs?" I would really like to program with perl.
>
> --
Scott
Richard Stroud
Can it give you a breathalyzer too?
Jefferson N. Glapski
It says I can't change the directory name without fucking up the
registry.
Donn Miller
"Jefferson N. Glapski" wrote:
> It says I can't change the directory name without fucking up the
> registry.
Put them in c:\user\binaries.
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James Schrumpf
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Why don't you just install Perl somewhere else, like say, C:\perl where I
have mine?
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Scott Hendryx
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Scott Hendryx
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Scott
lein
> "Jefferson N. Glapski" wrote:
>
> > It says I can't change the directory name without fucking up the
> > registry.
>
> Put them in c:\user\binaries.
Or even better,
put them in /usr/local/packages/perl...
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George B. Ross
> I rolled my eyes heavenward in disbelief when "Jefferson N.
> Glapski"
><jngW...@PENNSTATEibl.bm> declaimed:
>
>> "Scott Hendryx" <sdhe...@spammage.attbi.com> wrote in
>> message news:uC248.1039$tn2.2962@rwcrnsc53...
>>> I just printed out a 5 page list of places I can go to
>>> take the DWI Education Program. I have a HP 895CXI hooked
>>> up and it printed page 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, so all my stuff is
>>> order. Pretty neat, I didn't tell it to do this. XPee is
>>> smrat.
>>
>>
>> Great. Can I change the "program files" directory to the
>> name "programs?" I would really like to program with perl.
>>
>> --
>> Jefferson N. Glapski
>> http://pwp.ibl.bm/~jng
>>
>> WE ARE . . . PENN STATE
>>
>>
>
>
> Why don't you just install Perl somewhere else, like say,
> C:\perl where I have mine?
IAWTP.
That's the default install location for ActiveState's version of
perl for Windoze.
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Jefferson N. Glapski
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The latter is soon to happen. Which Linux to install?
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Jefferson N Glapski
XP, the most labial of OS, sucks
Jefferson N. Glapski
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> James Schrumpf (jaNOSPAM...@yahoo.com) opined:
>
> > I rolled my eyes heavenward in disbelief when "Jefferson N.
> > Glapski"
> ><jngW...@PENNSTATEibl.bm> declaimed:
> >
> >> "Scott Hendryx" <sdhe...@spammage.attbi.com> wrote in
> >> message news:uC248.1039$tn2.2962@rwcrnsc53...
> >>> I just printed out a 5 page list of places I can go to
> >>> take the DWI Education Program. I have a HP 895CXI hooked
> >>> up and it printed page 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, so all my stuff is
> >>> order. Pretty neat, I didn't tell it to do this. XPee is
> >>> smrat.
> >>
> >>
> >> Great. Can I change the "program files" directory to the
> >> name "programs?" I would really like to program with perl.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jefferson N. Glapski
> >> http://pwp.ibl.bm/~jng
> >>
> >> WE ARE . . . PENN STATE
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > Why don't you just install Perl somewhere else, like say,
> > C:\perl where I have mine?
>
> IAWTP.
> That's the default install location for ActiveState's version of
> perl for Windoze.
I would like to keep programs in one directory, data in another. Moot point
now, since XP blew up my machine.
Carl Banks
Are you sure it wasn't perl that did that?
(And might I suggest that Python has all the same nice things that
Perl has, and very few of its negatives, and is not an eyesore.)
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"Nullum mihi placet tamquam provocatio magna. Hoc ex eis non est."
George B. Ross
Data as in perl scripts, or data as in input to perl scripts?
Neither one has to be in the c:\perl path. I keep all my
applications on my C drive and all my source, scripts and data
on other drives. No problems. Make sure to add the perl bin
directory to your DOS path variable so you can run scripts in
their home directory easily.
Separating your installed windows applications and your programs
and/or data makes life easier in a couple ways:
1) When upgrading to a new computer, just plug in the old data
drive without having to copy everything to the new computer.
2) When upgrading to a bigger data drive, your installed
applications on C aren't touched.
James Schrumpf
declaimed:
Two questions:
Is Python free, like Perl?
How is Perl an eyesore?
James Schrumpf
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> "lein" <boomer_...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
Does it make sense that someone who can't figure out a Windows OS is now
going to tackle Linux?
Jefferson N. Glapski
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> I rolled my eyes heavenward in disbelief when "Jefferson N. Glapski"
> <jngW...@PENNSTATEibl.bm> declaimed:
>
> > "lein" <boomer_...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> > news:885ec7ed.02012...@posting.google.com...
> >> Donn Miller <dmmi...@cvzoom.net> wrote in message
> >> news:<3C50DD8E...@cvzoom.net>...
> >> > "Jefferson N. Glapski" wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > It says I can't change the directory name without fucking up the
> >> > > registry.
> >> >
> >> > Put them in c:\user\binaries.
> >>
> >> Or even better,
> >>
> >> put them in /usr/local/packages/perl...
> >
> >
> > The latter is soon to happen. Which Linux to install?
> >
> > --
> > Jefferson N Glapski
> >
> > XP, the most labial of OS, sucks
>
> Does it make sense that someone who can't figure out a Windows OS is now
> going to tackle Linux?
Silly bastrard. \It ain't a questoion of figuring it out. XP is buggyu as
hell, especially if you want to actually individualize the OS.
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joseph jeong
: Does it make sense that someone who can't figure out a Windows OS is now
: going to tackle Linux?
i can't figure out windows, i still have no clue why it crashes
sometimes or BSOD me, i can no idea what goes on in the registry (or why
it is needed). i (kind of) run linux.
-joseph
Carl Banks
exactly what drugs were you under the influence of when you wrote:
> I rolled my eyes heavenward in disbelief when Carl Banks <id...@vt.edu>
> declaimed:
>
>> Perl has, and very few of its negatives, and is not an eyesore.)
>
>
> Two questions:
>
> Is Python free, like Perl?
Yep. Like I said, it has all the same nice things as Perl, except you
have to type a little bit more to use regular expressions, and it's
not quite as fast.
> How is Perl an eyesore?
From a purely aesthetic point of view, there is no question whatsoever
that Perl is the ugliest useful language in common use today. And if
you are interested in abstract beauty and stuff, then Perl's syntax is
the epitome of ugly. And it's not even as bad as the semantics.
Donn Miller
>
> From a purely aesthetic point of view, there is no question
> whatsoever that Perl is the ugliest useful language in common use
> today. And if you are interested in abstract beauty and stuff,
> then Perl's syntax is the epitome of ugly. And it's not even as
> bad as the semantics.
Hmmm, and what are your thoughts on Ruby? Also, Perl's usage of O-O
(object oriented) constructs is very very yucky.
Perl is very kludgey, but it's good for doing a lot of major things with
short scripts. I'd rather write a longer script, and actually be able
to make sense of it and extend it a few months down the road when I try
to maintain it.
Donn Miller
> Does it make sense that someone who can't figure out a Windows OS is now
> going to tackle Linux?
Sure, why not? It has a learning curve, just like anything else.
Besides, GNOME, KDE, and all that other stuff does a good job of
imitating Windows' UI. The only thing I hated about KDE is that damned
KDE sound server (artsd) sucked up a ton of CPU cycles. I had to kill
it. Esound is better, although I haven't yet figured out how to use it.
James Schrumpf
declaimed:
> James Schrumpf <jaNOSPAM...@yahoo.com>,
> exactly what drugs were you under the influence of when you wrote:
>> I rolled my eyes heavenward in disbelief when Carl Banks <id...@vt.edu>
>> declaimed:
>>
>>> (And might I suggest that Python has all the same nice things that
>>> Perl has, and very few of its negatives, and is not an eyesore.)
>>
>>
>> Two questions:
>>
>> Is Python free, like Perl?
>
> Yep. Like I said, it has all the same nice things as Perl, except you
> have to type a little bit more to use regular expressions, and it's
> not quite as fast.
>
>
>> How is Perl an eyesore?
>
> From a purely aesthetic point of view, there is no question whatsoever
> that Perl is the ugliest useful language in common use today. And if
> you are interested in abstract beauty and stuff, then Perl's syntax is
> the epitome of ugly. And it's not even as bad as the semantics.
>
>
So it requres more typing to use and isn't as fast, but it's "prettier."
If I thought "abstract beauty and stuff" were important attributes of
programming, I wouldn't like UNIX as much as I do.
Thanks, I'll stick to Perl.
James Schrumpf
<jos...@resnet.gatech.edu.com> declaimed:
If you don't understand the Registry, you're only making my point for me.
Carl Banks
exactly what drugs were you under the influence of when you wrote:
>
> > From a purely aesthetic point of view, there is no question
> > whatsoever that Perl is the ugliest useful language in common use
> > today. And if you are interested in abstract beauty and stuff,
> > then Perl's syntax is the epitome of ugly. And it's not even as
> > bad as the semantics.
>
> Hmmm, and what are your thoughts on Ruby? Also, Perl's usage of O-O
> (object oriented) constructs is very very yucky.
I've only looked at Ruby briefly enough for me to determine that it
was worse than Python.
> Perl is very kludgey, but it's good for doing a lot of major things with
> short scripts. I'd rather write a longer script, and actually be able
> to make sense of it and extend it a few months down the road when I try
> to maintain it.
This is what you want Python for. The thing that is most evil about
Perl is how it (the language and the community) encourages these
ludicruous shortcuts. This example of a "good" way to emulate a
switch statement comes right out of the perlsyn manpage:
SWITCH: {
/^abc/ && do { $abc = 1; last SWITCH; };
/^def/ && do { $def = 1; last SWITCH; };
/^xyz/ && do { $xyz = 1; last SWITCH; };
$nothing = 1;
}
This would take me a few minutes or so to figure out this was a switch
looking at it for the first time (one minute to decipher what it does,
and another two to make myself completely sure of it, because I would
not imagine that a competent programmer would use such a travesty.)
The same manpage actually discourages the use of the straightforward
example:
if (/^abc/)
{ $abc = 1 }
elsif (/^def/)
{ $def = 1 }
elsif (/^xyz/)
{ $xyz = 1 }
else
{ $nothing = 1 }
In Python, many of these sorts of ludicrosities are impossible in the
language, as they should be. The community also frowns on cute stuff
like that. In fact, everything in Python is more transparent and
straightforward than in Perl, excepting the occasional lambdabuse.
Perl was nice when it came out. We could do all kinds of cool things
ten times easier than we could with C. But the language was flawed
from the beginning. The design was too short-sighted. Every design
decision since has tried to rectify the original flaws, but they've
simply added layer upon layer of new complexity into the language and
it is a now a terrible clumsy beast. And the original flaws are still
there if anyone wants to use them.
Python, OTOH, was well-designed from the beginning. There are none of
the little exceptions and ad hoc behavior and inconsistent special
forms the plague Perl. Python has consistent semantics. Python
implements numerics reasonably.
In general, Python is better than Perl in every way imaginable, except
maybe Perl at the moment has a larger libary support. There is no
reason to use it. I'm not sure that even being "used to it" is a
valid reason to chose Perl anymore. It's time to face the facts,
folks: Perl just sucks.
(Sorry for the ecstatical rant.)
Carl Banks
exactly what drugs were you under the influence of when you wrote:
> I rolled my eyes heavenward in disbelief when Carl Banks <id...@vt.edu>
> declaimed:
>
>> James Schrumpf <jaNOSPAM...@yahoo.com>,
>> exactly what drugs were you under the influence of when you wrote:
>>> I rolled my eyes heavenward in disbelief when Carl Banks <id...@vt.edu>
>>> declaimed:
>>>
>>>> (And might I suggest that Python has all the same nice things that
>>>> Perl has, and very few of its negatives, and is not an eyesore.)
>>>
>>>
>>> Two questions:
>>>
>>> Is Python free, like Perl?
>>
>> Yep. Like I said, it has all the same nice things as Perl, except you
>> have to type a little bit more to use regular expressions, and it's
>> not quite as fast.
>>
>>
>>> How is Perl an eyesore?
>>
>> From a purely aesthetic point of view, there is no question whatsoever
>> that Perl is the ugliest useful language in common use today. And if
>> you are interested in abstract beauty and stuff, then Perl's syntax is
>> the epitome of ugly. And it's not even as bad as the semantics.
>
> So it requres more typing to use and isn't as fast, but it's "prettier."
>
> If I thought "abstract beauty and stuff" were important attributes of
> programming, I wouldn't like UNIX as much as I do.
>
> Thanks, I'll stick to Perl.
You're using a flawed argument, and I don't appreciate it. Basically,
I was just answering your question, "How is perl an eyesore?".
However, you turned this simple answer into my whole argument, as if I
was trying to convince you to switch to Python just because it's
better looking.
I prefer Python because of the very few negatives it has relative to
Perl, which I mentioned a few posts back. I have elaborated on a few
of these in another post and won't repeat it here. In any case,
there's so many of them it would take me all day.
Conversely, Perl has very few advantages over Python, and those it has
(like saving a few keystrokes once in awhile) are of miniscule
importance. The advantages Python has over Perl, however, are
magnaminous. Python is so much better than Perl that even "being used
to it" isn't a good enough reason to to stick to Perl. (Being used to
it is _always_ the best reason not to change to a better solution, but
even that's not enough here.)
I suspect that you've never looked seriously at Python, and therefore
are not capable of an informed decision. Stick to Perl if you want,
but realize that, in your ignorance, you are using a language that is
worse in almost every way.
James Schrumpf
Lighten up, Carl. I obviously haven't looked seriously (or at all) at
Python, else I wouldn't ask such basic questions as "Is it free?"
I use Perl as an advanced scripting language on my NT servers. I am not a
developer at all, so I'm not pushing the envelope of Perl in the slightest:
the most advanced thing I've done with it is use hash references, and once
I made some web pages accessing an Oracle db with it.
I would also have to seriously argue about Perl being the ugliest useful
language in common use today; I've seen enough of the varieties of C to
know better.
I do appreciate the info. Thanks very much.