Yerba Mate NG proposal
The Wild Bombilla
alt.YerbaMate.
I haven't found one yet but I'm sure you'll all correct me if I've missed
one.
Purpose: To discuss this exotic green tea, its physiological effects, its
nutritive properties, its cultural accessories, its history, any folklore
associated with it, and any sources for Yerba Mate and accessories.
Post if you'd be into it.
Thanks,
Stephan.
Sebastián Francisco
YerbaMate is just an stimulant, having some properties similar to coffee or
tea, besides some others similar to those of Cola. I am sure that it would
be much more interesting, because of its related properties and abuses, to
start a group called alt.cola.abuses.
salut.
sebas.
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The Wild Bombilla
> I do not think there should be any interest in starting such a group,
since
> YerbaMate is just an stimulant, having some properties similar to coffee
or
> tea, besides some others similar to those of Cola. I am sure that it would
> be much more interesting, because of its related properties and abuses, to
> start a group called alt.cola.abuses.
>
> salut.
> sebas.
Your negative feedback is duly noted. Let me point out however that tea and
coffee already have their own NG's. Yerba Mate does not. Let me further
point out that Yerba Mate does NOT contain caffeine. The stimulant in YM is
matteine (also in the xanthine family), also a mild diruretic and stimulant
without the habituating properties of coffee or caffeine.
Later,
Stephan.
Mirvhana
an
| alt.YerbaMate.
Yes there is. Each time somebody started a thread of posts about Yerba Mate,
here on rec.food.drink.tea, many participated and showed strong interest.
Yerba Mate has is own history and culture. Mainly in South America. So I
think your newsgroup should mainly be done in ...Spanish.
The Wild Bombilla
Perhaps a bilingual group then?
Mirvhana
I think it's inevitable.
On Elpeleg
> point out that Yerba Mate does NOT contain caffeine. The stimulant in YM
is
> matteine (also in the xanthine family), also a mild diruretic and
stimulant
> without the habituating properties of coffee or caffeine.
hmmm.... now you got me into it!
Is it like the chinese green tea?
On :)
Patrick Alexander
> Your negative feedback is duly noted. Let me point out however that tea and
> coffee already have their own NG's. Yerba Mate does not. Let me further
> point out that Yerba Mate does NOT contain caffeine. The stimulant in YM is
> matteine (also in the xanthine family), also a mild diruretic and stimulant
> without the habituating properties of coffee or caffeine.
Just out of curiosity, do you have any references for the claim
that mateine is distinct from caffeine, or that it is non-addictive? The
Merck Index, generally a very reputable source, says that yerba mate
contains caffeine, whereas all I've seen to support the opposing claim is
an assortment of commercial websites extolling the virtues of yerba
mate...
Patrick Alexander
Rasta Poodle
Won't fly. Yerba Mate is an herb. There is a newsgroup. Yerba mate is a tea.
There is a newsgroup. ISPs won't propagate a newsgroup that is redundant.
Otherwise, we'd have alt.chamomile, alt. sage, alt.oolong, etc. They all have
nutritive properties, cultural history, folklore associated with them, etc.,
but they all come under the umbrellas of the cited newsgroups.
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The Wild Bombilla
> Won't fly. Yerba Mate is an herb. There is a newsgroup. Yerba mate is a
tea.
> There is a newsgroup. ISPs won't propagate a newsgroup that is redundant.
> Otherwise, we'd have alt.chamomile, alt. sage, alt.oolong, etc. They all
have
> nutritive properties, cultural history, folklore associated with them,
etc.,
> but they all come under the umbrellas of the cited newsgroups.
>
Point taken, but Yerba Mate has a much stronger cultural stigma than any of
the above mentioned teas/herbs. It is the national drink of Argentina and
Uruguay. It is a cultural phenomenon in the southern part of South America.
I believe that most in North America are naively ignorant about the
popularity of this particlur plant/herb/green tea.
The Wild Bombilla
"Patrick Alexander" <paal...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote in message
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Of course! See
http://www.soygaucho.com/english/mate/efectosfisiologicos.html
and the one of the better treatises I've seen on the lack of caffeine and
the presence of mateine is:
http://www.mundomatero.com/proyectos/cristel/yerba.html
HTH
The Wild Bombilla
"On Elpeleg" <elp...@on.to> wrote in message
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consumed makes it a much stronger infusion--with a robust alfalfa-like
flavor, with a full-taste--and very sustaining for a tea.
It is typically consumed hot through a metal straw with a strainer (called a
bombilla or bomba) from a wooden cup or gourd (called a mate) which is
filled 1/2 to 3/4 full of the Yerba Mate leaves.
HTH
Zoe
On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 16:30:47 GMT, Rasta Poodle wrote:
>Won't fly. Yerba Mate is an herb. There is a newsgroup. Yerba mate is a tea.
>There is a newsgroup. ISPs won't propagate a newsgroup that is redundant.
>Otherwise, we'd have alt.chamomile, alt. sage, alt.oolong, etc. They all have
>nutritive properties, cultural history, folklore associated with them, etc.,
>but they all come under the umbrellas of the cited newsgroups.
On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 12:10:58 -0500, The Wild Bombilla replied:
>Point taken, but Yerba Mate has a much stronger cultural stigma than any of
>the above mentioned teas/herbs. It is the national drink of Argentina and
>Uruguay. It is a cultural phenomenon in the southern part of South America.
>I believe that most in North America are naively ignorant about the
>popularity of this particlur plant/herb/green tea.
That's an excellent reason to continue posting in the groups I originally
suggested you use. If most in NA are naive or ignorant about Yerba Mate,
you will need to educate them; and, since they are not aware of it, they
will not automagically appear in your new newsgroup in hordes (or, at least,
with enough numbers to justify the creation of what would be, IMO, yet
another spamtrap). Rasta Poodle is right -- it's a peculiar hybrid and
on-topic in both herbal and tea-drinking NGs. As I suggested earlier, try
tagging your posts [Yerba Mate] and see what kinds of discussion you can
generate in the NGs where it is on-topic. Read a few FAQs posted daily in
several alt.config regulars' .sigs -- Mongrel Mind, "g", BarB, -= Hawk =- --
and learn a little about starting a new newsgroup as well what Justification
involves.
Zoe
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Mirvhana
| that mateine is distinct from caffeine, or that it is non-addictive?
In most parts of South America, mate is the national drink, and as a daily
stimulant, it is even more popular than tea or coffee BECAUSE it's
addictive. We would be all drinking water if there weren't some kind of
addictive subtance (sugar, caffeine, alcool) in popular drinks. That why
they became popular!
Yerba contains mateine, a molecule so similar to caffeine that in clinical
studies researchers don't even bother to make the difference. It also
contains other xanthene alkaloids (1-2% mateine, 0.45-0.9% theobromine,
0.05% theophylline). Those substances act on the central nervous system as
stimulants, diuretics and mild pain relievers, just like coffee or tea. But
every other time, somebody comes up with some kind of magical herb who has
all the advantages of coffee but not the harmfull effects of caffeine. And
somebody always finds a way to profit from this wishfull thinking.
Mate is not recommended for prolonged or habitual use. Several studies have
documented a correlation between habitual use of mate and various forms of
cancer. Traces of pesticides in the leaves and the habit of drinking very
hot mate are suspected to cause cancers, in heavy users. If taken in high
doses, mate cause restlessness, irritability, insomnia, palpitations,
dizziness, vomiting, diarrhea, loss of appetite, and withdrawal headaches,
just like coffee.
Not everyone reacts to theine, caffeine, theobromine and mateine the same
way, and the same way to each of those substances. But, regardless of your
personnal reactions to coffee, chocolate, tea or mateine, none of them are
non-addictive or totally harmless. Mateine is not safer than caffeine.
The Wild Bombilla
> That's an excellent reason to continue posting in the groups I originally
> suggested you use. If most in NA are naive or ignorant about Yerba Mate,
> you will need to educate them; and, since they are not aware of it, they
> will not automagically appear in your new newsgroup in hordes (or, at
least,
> with enough numbers to justify the creation of what would be, IMO, yet
> another spamtrap). Rasta Poodle is right -- it's a peculiar hybrid and
> on-topic in both herbal and tea-drinking NGs. As I suggested earlier, try
> tagging your posts [Yerba Mate] and see what kinds of discussion you can
> generate in the NGs where it is on-topic. Read a few FAQs posted daily in
> several alt.config regulars' .sigs -- Mongrel Mind, "g", BarB, -= Hawk
=- --
> and learn a little about starting a new newsgroup as well what
Justification
> involves.
>
> Zoe
I have taken your suggestions to heart and have begun implementing them--but
I still have to believe there is enough interest in YM alone to justify its
own group---but it may be that those interested in YM don't read NG's much.
We'll see
Mirvhana
| I've been told it's similar but the manner in which Yerba Mate is
typically
| consumed makes it a much stronger infusion--with a robust alfalfa-like
| flavor, with a full-taste--and very sustaining for a tea.
|
| It is typically consumed hot through a metal straw with a strainer (called
a
| bombilla or bomba) from a wooden cup or gourd (called a mate) which is
| filled 1/2 to 3/4 full of the Yerba Mate leaves.
This way of drinking Yerba Mate leads to major public health problem in
Uruguay : esophageal cancer. See earlier posts in rec.food.drink.tea.
Zoe
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[...]
> Zoe,
>
> I have taken your suggestions to heart and have begun implementing
them--but
> I still have to believe there is enough interest in YM alone to justify
its
> own group---but it may be that those interested in YM don't read NG's
much.
> We'll see
As I'm sure you've discovered, alt.config is advisory only.
The regulars here advise proponents on various aspects of
new newsgroup starts and their creation/propagation as
well as sending "proper" control messages. You are free
to send a cmsg but please be aware of the amount of work
and time involved in so doing. It takes about six months
to get one up and running without your "babysitting" it.
IMO, education is the first step towards creating a viable
self-sustaining NG on Usenet. You're obviously taking that
step and, as for your comment, "We'll see," well, yes, we will.
Rasta Poodle
"Cultural stigma"? What an odd choice of words. That said, I have to contradict
you on the importance you place on it, and I suggest you do some more research
(ethnobotanist hat off.) Do lots more research. I could suggest some sites, but
just type in tea and ethnobotany or yerba mate and ethnobotany in google. Oh,
and check tonnage produce annually, too.
Just because we in North American are 'naively ignorant' (odd choice of words
again, IMO) to the plant, doesn't mean it rate a NG. I'm very aware of the
plant, being an ethnobotanist and resident of south Florida. I know you love
the plant, that's obvious, but perhaps you'd do better putting up a website for
it, with a discussion group there. Or start a Yahoo group.
Brian Mailman
> I still have to believe there is enough interest in YM alone to justify its
> own group---but it may be that those interested in YM don't read NG's much.
If that's the case, how would you expect to get people to use the
group? I don't know if it's been said in this thread yet; but just
sending the control message is the beginning of the work involved. You
need to promote promote promote for a few months--alt.* groups
by-and-large aren't on "auto-add" any more. That means people *must*
ask their systems administrators to add a group and if there's little
interest in splitting off of the groups where this is being discussed
the group won't be widely added.
B/
B/
Zoe
Excellent advice, Anya. Thanks for your deux. A Yahoo group + website
added to search engines would certainly give The Wild Bombilla an idea of
how many peeps are interested in the subject (plus, provide TWB with a base
of users who would write to their news admins to request a new newsgroup if
and/or when the numbers warranted same).
Additionally, TWB might wish to consider adding the details of the proposed
site/group to his Usenet posts so that, when YM fans are Goggling, they'll
discover where the discussion is taking place as well.
It also occurs to me there might already be a group dedicated to YM or its
comparables in the es.* hierarchy but I don't know enough of the language to
figure that one out -- I'm sure they'll let him know, though.
Graham Sorenson
What I suggest is you start a mailing list for Yerba. then you can certainly
ascertain the need.
http://groups.yahoo.com is one free place to get a mailing list going.
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Thomas Mueller
> Thanks,
> Stephan.
alt.folklore.herbs is not good enough? I tried yerba maté, but it didn't do
anything for me, didn't even stimulate me. I do better with green tea, which
helps keep me breathing. I guess there already is a newsgroup for tea
(rec.food.drink.tea), though I haven't yet followed this group.
I don't think there exists any newsgroup alt.yerbamate or alt.yerba-mate, though
you could check with Google, maybe search on the string "yerba".
Peter Harris
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> I'm trying to find out if there is enough interest in
Yerba Mate to start an
> alt.YerbaMate.
There are other types of Mate. In Peru they drink Mate de
Coca.
I think alt.yerbamate would be divisive and would languish
empty. According to this group's FAQ -
"Discussions of herbal teas
(e.g. chamomile, sassafras, etc.) are also approved, but
this
newsgroup should NOT be used for advertising herbal tea
products or
discussing tea as anything other than a beverage."
So it would seem to be on-topic right here, where IMHO it
should stay.
--
Peter Harris
"The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom."
(William Blake 1757-1827)
The Wild Bombilla
> I don't think there exists any newsgroup alt.yerbamate or alt.yerba-mate,
though
> you could check with Google, maybe search on the string "yerba".
>
I think "Yerba" is too general--just spanish for "herb" so there are all
kinds of Yerbas. "Mate" is also too general, since as Peter Harris pointed
out "Mate de Coca" is consumed in Peru. Mate de Coca comes from the Coca
plant--the same plant that cocaine derives from--of this particular tea,
I've heard it said not to drink too much. It's flavor is not even closely
related to that of YerbaMate though it is soothing and it is green.
Actually YerbaMate is not popular everywhere in South America but it is very
popular in the southern part of South America and as you all suspect I love
to talk about this beverage which is part of the reason I'd like to start a
newsgroup.
But, maybe I should take the advice about a Yahoo Group--indeed there
doesn't seem to be much support here.
Thanks for your time,
Stephan.
Rasta Poodle
>On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 17:36:42 GMT, Rasta Poodle wrote:
>>Just because we in North American are 'naively ignorant' (odd choice of words
>>again, IMO) to the plant, doesn't mean it rate a NG. I'm very aware of the
>>plant, being an ethnobotanist and resident of south Florida. I know you love
>>the plant, that's obvious, but perhaps you'd do better putting up a website for
>>it, with a discussion group there. Or start a Yahoo group.
>
>Excellent advice, Anya. Thanks for your deux. A Yahoo group + website
>added to search engines would certainly give The Wild Bombilla an idea of
>how many peeps are interested in the subject (plus, provide TWB with a base
>of users who would write to their news admins to request a new newsgroup if
>and/or when the numbers warranted same).
Hopefully, with all the input you and others have given him, he will get on the
right track, Zoe. Point in case -- a few years ago I worked to revitalize and
propage alt.pefume, which was languishing. Even today, there aren't many
visitors there. In June, I started a Natural Perfumery group on yahoo, and we
have 200 members, and lots of traffic. People get to know each other, we have
some real experts in the field, and lots and lots of fun.
And yes, I agree, the 'writing to news admins' is tedious and often fruitless.
>Additionally, TWB might wish to consider adding the details of the proposed
>site/group to his Usenet posts so that, when YM fans are Goggling, they'll
>discover where the discussion is taking place as well.
I recommened to him in another post this morning, that he add the info to his
sig line. Great minds and all that ... :-)
Rasta Poodle
<onlyi...@comcast.net> wrote:
>I think "Yerba" is too general--just spanish for "herb" so there are all
>kinds of Yerbas.
You need to focus. When I typed in ethnobotany yerba mate, I got:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=ethnobotany+yerba+mate
>But, maybe I should take the advice about a Yahoo Group--indeed there
>doesn't seem to be much support here.
Yes, start a yahoo group. You can post photos, link to databases, etc. Then,
just put a link to it in your sig line when you post in Usenet, and people can
join if they wish.
Š Anya {{{*_*}}}
Zoe
[...]
>But, maybe I should take the advice about a Yahoo Group--indeed there
>doesn't seem to be much support here.
Well, Stephan, it's a good day for Usenet when a prospective proponent
listens and actually hears advice. Don't be discouraged -- work at getting
a base of users together so you do have the support to make your new
newsgroup -- if and when you deem it will work -- self-sustaining. You've
certainly raised awareness of the issues; plus, when the next Yerba Matie
comes to alt.config to propose this NG, we'll know where to send them.
>Thanks for your time,
Thanks for your intelligence and willingness to keep an open mind. That's a
major step in the right direction.
Zoe
>Stephan.
Zoe
>On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 17:27:20 -0500, Zoe <bodacio...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
[...]
>>Excellent advice, Anya. Thanks for your deux. A Yahoo group + website
>>added to search engines would certainly give The Wild Bombilla an idea of
>>how many peeps are interested in the subject (plus, provide TWB with a base
>>of users who would write to their news admins to request a new newsgroup if
>>and/or when the numbers warranted same).
>
>Hopefully, with all the input you and others have given him, he will get on the
>right track, Zoe. Point in case -- a few years ago I worked to revitalize and
>propage alt.pefume, which was languishing. Even today, there aren't many
>visitors there. In June, I started a Natural Perfumery group on yahoo, and we
>have 200 members, and lots of traffic. People get to know each other, we have
>some real experts in the field, and lots and lots of fun.
>
>And yes, I agree, the 'writing to news admins' is tedious and often fruitless.
>
>>Additionally, TWB might wish to consider adding the details of the proposed
>>site/group to his Usenet posts so that, when YM fans are Goggling, they'll
>>discover where the discussion is taking place as well.
>
>I recommened to him in another post this morning, that he add the info to his
>sig line. Great minds and all that ... :-)
Erm, I am tempted to say something about the natural superiority of dames
<*ahem*> . . .
But, I don't doubt for a moment your Yahoo group's a success and am glad to
hear of it. Very cool, BTW, EXODUS was named CD of the Century by Time. I
didn't know that. FTR, Leonard Cohen's Ten New Songs was named CD of the
Year by the NYT (mini neener, neener).
Zoe
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Sebastián Francisco
effects!
salut.
sebas.
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>> I do not think there should be any interest in starting such a group,
>> since YerbaMate is just an stimulant, having some properties similar
>> to coffee or tea,
which, since there are already newsgroups for those, is an argument *for*
such a group.
>> besides some others similar to those of Cola. I am sure that it would
>> be much more interesting, because of its related properties and abuses,
>> to start a group called alt.cola.abuses.
The main problems with cola drinks are from their sugar (or aspartame)
and phosphate content, not the caffeine. Mate has neither.
Which said, I very much doubt if there will be enough traffic to merit
a special group. Usually the time to start one is when folks saying
"get this topic out of here, it's dominating the forum".
I got a group created that way myself once: alt.conspiracy was being
saturated with threads about the Kennedy assassination, so I proposed
alt.conspiracy.jfk because I *didn't* want to read about it. (Groups
got created very fast back then - if I'd had time to refine my proposal
I'd have suggested alt.conspiracy.jfk.bang.bang.bang instead).
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> According to this group's FAQ -
>
> "Discussions of herbal teas
> (e.g. chamomile, sassafras, etc.) are also approved, but this
> newsgroup should NOT be used for advertising herbal tea products
> or discussing tea as anything other than a beverage."
We can't talk about using tea infusions for burns, mulching plants
with used leaves or dyeing with it?
What on earth is that prohibition for?
The Wild Bombilla
"YerbaMateTeaDrinkers" which seems to fit the bill. So thanks for all your
advice,
later,
TWB
bogus address
>> But, maybe I should take the advice about a Yahoo Group--indeed there
>> doesn't seem to be much support here.
> Yes, start a yahoo group. You can post photos, link to databases, etc.
where "etc" means "get deluged with spam and have your personal
details sold to marketers without your consent".
Fuck that.
Also it just plain doesn't work for all but about the three most
common browser/OS combinations.
Joseph Kubera
>Purpose: To discuss this exotic green tea, its physiological effects, its
nutritive properties, its cultural accessories, its history, any folklore
associated with it, and any sources for Yerba Mate and accessories.
Of course there would be interest, but I think discussion would be limited only
to the above. I don't think there could be much discussion of "varieties" of
yerba mate, or regional differences, any more than there could be much
discussion of different batches of peppermint or chamomile.
But maybe I'm just ignorant. Apart from the roasted variety, are there any
differences in drying, processing, growing conditions, place of origin, that
make any difference in taste -- in the same sense that there are great
differences in various teas and coffees? If there ARE differences, it would be
interesting to know about them.
Joe
Thomas Mueller
: message news:H7ednfaukbB...@comcast.com...
: > I'm trying to find out if there is enough interest in
: Yerba Mate to start an
: > alt.YerbaMate.
: There are other types of Mate. In Peru they drink Mate de Coca.
: I think alt.yerbamate would be divisive and would languish
: empty. According to this group's FAQ -
"Discussions of herbal teas
(e.g. chamomile, sassafras, etc.) are also approved, but this
newsgroup should NOT be used for advertising herbal tea products or
discussing tea as anything other than a beverage."
: So it would seem to be on-topic right here, where IMHO it
: should stay.
: --
: Peter Harris
What is "this group" that you refer to above? This message is cross-posted to
five newsgroups, so "this group" is ambiguous. alt.folklore.herbs is certainly
not limited to beverages only.
Henriette Kress
> > According to this group's FAQ -
> >
> > "Discussions of herbal teas
> > (e.g. chamomile, sassafras, etc.) are also approved, but this
> > newsgroup should NOT be used for advertising herbal tea products
> > or discussing tea as anything other than a beverage."
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> We can't talk about using tea infusions for burns, mulching plants
> with used leaves or dyeing with it?
>
> What on earth is that prohibition for?
I expect that's the FAQ for rec.food.drink.tea - where that restriction makes
sense.
Henriette
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there to capture our intelligence but yada yada yada yerba !
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Rasta Poodle
>Enough of the Yerba Mate NG proposal already!! Is there nothing else out
>there to capture our intelligence but yada yada yada yerba !
Calm down, dear, seems as if you had too much caffein today. Or mattein, or
whatever the OP was calling it.
Š Anya {{{*_*}}}
Joanne Rosen
I personally have no problem with individuals discussing yerba mate here in
this newsgroup-
If you do not want to read the posts-don't
Joanne
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Michael Plant
> Enough of the Yerba Mate NG proposal already!! Is there nothing else out
> there to capture our intelligence but yada yada yada yerba !
Not quite yet, my friend, for I haven't added my bit yet, to wit:
From the following web site...
<http://www.chinese-herb.co.uk/tea/tea1.html>
we find...
"Q : Is Kuding Tea a real kind of tea?
A : Tea of real sense is produced by processing the tender young leaves
picked from camellia plants. However, Kuding trees belong to the holly
category of ilex, and therefore Kuding is not tea in a strict sense. Kuding
Tea is produced by using the leaves of kuding holly with the tea brewing
processes. Clinical experiments have proved that Kuding tea can diminish
inflammation and ease pain, enhance salubrity and clean out toxins, reduce
fat and blood pressure, and keep the body fit. Kuding tea thus has the
reputation of healthy tea, transfiguring tea, de-pressure tea, and longevity
tea."
Nota bene:
Ha, ha* "Ilex" "Holly"
Now, from the following web site...
<http://www.yerba-mate.com/yerbamate.htm>
we find...
"Yerba Maté (Ilex paraguariensis) is a small tree native to the subtropical
highlands of Brazil, Paraguay, Uruguay, and Argentina. This evergreen member
of the Holly family was introduced to colonizing and modern civilizations by
the Guarani Indians of Paraguay and Uruguay. The drink is brewed from the
dried leaves and stemlets of this perennial tree."
Nota multa bene:
Ha, ha*** "Ilex" "Holly"
I'm told that while the Russians were paying untoward amounts of money for
the roe of Sturgeon (the fish, not the author; my spelling is awful), the
Iranians were throwing the stuff away as junk. Well, well. Not that that has
any relevance to our clearly irrelevant conversation about Yerba Mate.
Let me add, however, that as an anthropologist, I'm very interested in this
herb. Let the games continue.
Best,
Michael
Debbie Huffman
> "Q : Is Kuding Tea a real kind of tea?
> A : Tea of real sense is produced by processing the tender young leaves
> picked from camellia plants. However, Kuding trees belong to the holly
> category of ilex, and therefore Kuding is not tea in a strict sense.
.....
> Nota bene:
> Ha, ha* "Ilex" "Holly"
Weighing in from the Gulf Coast of Texas, USA. Ilex vomica, locally
known as Yaupon, is in fact regarded as a 'holly' by virtue of its
dinstinctive red berries. Yaupon is remarkably high in caffeine. The
Karankawa and other local tribes would *decoct* Yaupon leaves as part of
the ceremonies preceding a warpath. Damn but that much caffeine can
make you temporarily nuts -- it's called Ilex "vomica" because one of
the anthropological features of the said ceremonies was that all the
partakers would go off and hurl. And then they'd go off warpath hopped
on caffeine and running starved. Nice folks.... Me, I once toxed out
on Mate' during College. Thankfully not to the point of hurling....
-Debbie
Michael Plant
****WOW****
Just *exactly* what we do in New York City.
But, of course, we have our water to fall back on.
Best.
Michael
Rasta Poodle
>Michael Plant wrote:
>
>> "Q : Is Kuding Tea a real kind of tea?
>> A : Tea of real sense is produced by processing the tender young leaves
>> picked from camellia plants. However, Kuding trees belong to the holly
>> category of ilex, and therefore Kuding is not tea in a strict sense.
>.....
>> Nota bene:
>> Ha, ha* "Ilex" "Holly"
>
>Weighing in from the Gulf Coast of Texas, USA. Ilex vomica, locally
>known as Yaupon, is in fact regarded as a 'holly' by virtue of its
>dinstinctive red berries.
Correction: it is Ilex vomitoria.
tu...@mindspring.com
<Mirvhana...@videotron.ca> wrote:
>| Just out of curiosity, do you have any references for the claim
>| that mateine is distinct from caffeine, or that it is non-addictive?
I have also heard that mateine acts the same
way on the body as caffeine. However, perhaps
since it is rich in minerals and contains some B -
vitamins, the effect does not seem to be as
"wiry" as from coffee. Just like with coffee, though,
if I drink too much it knots my stomach.
BTW, the best place I have found to buy
mate is at certain Mexican markets - it is
as cheap as $5 per kg. I mix it up with stevia (1/2
cup of stevia powder to a pound of C/S mate.)
This makes a sweet tea that goes well
with a bit of cream or lemon. At this price
it is cheap enough to use it in a drip coffee
maker in the same measure as coffee. This
may decrease the throat cancer risk since
supposedly paper filters help remove the
substance responsible (an alkaloid?), in
coffee anyway.
After studying wacky Hulda Clark's metal
avoidance measures, I would not use
a metal straw to drink the stuff on a regular
basis.
turf
Thomas Mueller
> Weighing in from the Gulf Coast of Texas, USA. Ilex vomica, locally
> known as Yaupon, is in fact regarded as a 'holly' by virtue of its
> dinstinctive red berries. Yaupon is remarkably high in caffeine. The
> Karankawa and other local tribes would *decoct* Yaupon leaves as part of
> the ceremonies preceding a warpath. Damn but that much caffeine can
> make you temporarily nuts -- it's called Ilex "vomica" because one of
> the anthropological features of the said ceremonies was that all the
> partakers would go off and hurl. And then they'd go off warpath hopped
> on caffeine and running starved. Nice folks.... Me, I once toxed out
> on Mate' during College. Thankfully not to the point of hurling....
> -Debbie
John Lust, in The Herb Book, has five entries for holly, Ilex genus: aquifolium,
opaca, vomitoria, verticillata, and paraguariensis. Ilex paraguariensis is
yerba maté, and Ilex vomitoria is yaupon. Yaupon could be brewed to emetic
strength, but, quoting, "If not made into a strong tea, dried leaves make a good
beverage whose caffeine content is mildly stimulating". I never tried yaupon,
and it's not in my plans.
What do you mean, "toxed out on mate'"? Is yerba maté more hazardous than
coffee? I've heard of java junkies drinking twenty cups a day (coffee, not
yerba maté), also heard of people getting coffee nerves on much less.
Debbie Huffman
> from Debbie Huffman <ky...@flash.net>:
>>Weighing in from the Gulf Coast of Texas, USA. Ilex vomica, locally
>>known as Yaupon, is in fact regarded as a 'holly' by virtue of its
>>dinstinctive red berries. Yaupon is remarkably high in caffeine. The
>>Karankawa and other local tribes would *decoct* Yaupon leaves as part of
>>the ceremonies preceding a warpath. Damn but that much caffeine can
>>make you temporarily nuts -- it's called Ilex "vomica" because one of
>>the anthropological features of the said ceremonies was that all the
>>partakers would go off and hurl. And then they'd go off warpath hopped
>>on caffeine and running starved. Nice folks.... Me, I once toxed out
>>on Mate' during College. Thankfully not to the point of hurling....
> John Lust, in The Herb Book, has five entries for holly, Ilex genus: aquifolium,
> opaca, vomitoria, verticillata, and paraguariensis. Ilex paraguariensis is
> yerba maté, and Ilex vomitoria is yaupon. Yaupon could be brewed to emetic
> strength, but, quoting, "If not made into a strong tea, dried leaves make a good
> beverage whose caffeine content is mildly stimulating". I never tried yaupon,
> and it's not in my plans.
Ilex vomitoria it is. [I was in a hurry and shot from the hip.]
"Brewed" to emetic strength -- the account is that the Karankawa would
boil it for an hour or so.
> What do you mean, "toxed out on mate'"? Is yerba maté more hazardous than
> coffee? I've heard of java junkies drinking twenty cups a day (coffee, not
> yerba maté), also heard of people getting coffee nerves on much less.
As another poster said, different people, different sensitivities. I
was pulling an all-nighter for exams and had about 8 mugs of strong
mate' tisane. Started seeing 'trailers' in the corners of my eyes....
NOT fun, no intention of repeating it!
-Debbie
The Wild Bombilla
> was pulling an all-nighter for exams and had about 8 mugs of strong
> mate' tisane. Started seeing 'trailers' in the corners of my eyes....
> NOT fun, no intention of repeating it!
>
> -Debbie
>
>
"Mate' tisane" you say...was it Yerba Mate or Mate de Coca...they're quite
different--I can quite see how the Mate de Coca would have some interesting
side effects but Yerba Mate--not in my experience. But as a previous poster
did say, it affects people differently. It helps some people lose
weight--who? who knows.
Stephan.