DP Protocol added to the European Convention on Human Rights
Earl Evleth
Council of Europe Press Release
Spokesperson and Press Division
Tel. +33 3 88 41 25 60
Fax. +33 3 88 41 27 89
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Death penalty ban in all circumstances: Protocol added
to the European Convention on Human Rights
Strasbourg, 21.02.2002 - The Committee of Ministers of
the Council of
Europe has just adopted a text banning the death
penalty in all
circumstances, including for crimes committed in times
of war and imminent threat of war.
No derogation or reservation will be allowed to
Protocol No. 13 to the European Convention on Human Rights.
The adoption is a strong political signal that the
death penalty is unacceptable in all circumstances.
The text will be opened for signature to all member
states on 3 May 2002, in Vilnius, when the Committee of Ministers
meets for its 110th
session. The text of Protocol No. 13 and its
explanatory report will soon
be available on <http://www.coe.int/cm>. For more
information, visit our theme file <http://www.coe.int/dossiers>
****
The Council of Europe represents a death penalty-free
area. No execution has been carried out on its territory since March
1997: 40 member states have abolished capital punishment, 3 others
(Armenia, the Russian
Federation and Turkey) have established a moratorium
on executions, and the
Committee of Ministers recently invited them to speed
up moves towards abolition.
It was the European Ministerial Conference on Human
Rights (Rome, 3-4 November 2000) followed by an initiative from Sweden,
which also underlined
the need to abolish the death penalty for acts
committed during wartime, or
imminent danger of war, and to amend the European
Convention on Human
Rights, whose Protocol No. 6 still contains an exception concerning
this point.
The abolition of the death penalty in all circumstances has been
recommended by the Parliamentary Assembly since 1994,
and reflects a general international trend. The Council of Europe is
the first organisation to have drawn up a legal text which
allows no exception.
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also develops common responses to social, cultural and legal challenges in
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A Planet Visitor
"Earl Evleth" <dev...@noos.fr> wrote in message
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>
>
> Council of Europe Press Release
> Spokesperson and Press Division
> Tel. +33 3 88 41 25 60
> Fax. +33 3 88 41 27 89
> E-mail: Pres...@coe.int
> For more informations: <www.coe.int>
>
> Death penalty ban in all circumstances: Protocol added
> to the European Convention on Human Rights
>
> Strasbourg, 21.02.2002 - The Committee of Ministers of
> the Council of
> Europe has just adopted a text banning the death
> penalty in all
> circumstances, including for crimes committed in times
> of war and imminent threat of war.
>
> No derogation or reservation will be allowed to
> Protocol No. 13 to the European Convention on Human Rights.
>
> The adoption is a strong political signal that the
> death penalty is unacceptable in all circumstances.
>
decision. They have tried in their ridiculous press
release to make it a 'signal.' Yet when internal
political decisions are made by the U.S., and
Europeans perceive THOSE decisions to be 'signals,'
Europeans are generally appalled by the thought
that the U.S. could POSSIBLY be sending a 'signal'
to other sovereign nations.
You cannot pick and chose those 'signals' that you
find 'good' and those you find 'bad,' since you are
obviously translating YOUR opinion into a valuation
of those presumed 'signals.' For whatever reason,
if you find this to be a 'signal' to OTHER sovereign
nations, then you are attempting to translate your
views into their society. Apparently when you see the
U.S. sending such 'signals' you get incensed, yet
when the EU sends 'signals,' you find them to be
applauded.
I'm just trying to make a small point, Earl. I have no
problem with your posting this. I only needed to also
put MY opinion into the mix. You are, in fact, quite
welcome to yours.
<Clipped>
PV
LMac
"Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@noos.fr> wrote in message
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> Le Tue, 26 Feb 2002 09:13:38 +0000, Earl Evleth <dev...@noos.fr> a écrit
:
>
> { snip }
>
> > Death penalty ban in all circumstances: Protocol added
> > to the European Convention on Human Rights
>
> I'm sure it will be (unless the Dirty Man decides to drag his feet again,
> as he has done for almost every major decision in Europe over the past
> couple of decades), this fair continent will once again confirm its status
> as a beacon of human rights, its light dispelling the sick and revolting
> shadow of legal killing from third world countries like China, the Yemen,
> Iraq, and the United States.
>
> Vive l'Europe !
No legal killing in Europe? Maybe Saddam Hussein will take over France,
since they can no longer fight back. Wait check that.... they never could.
;-)
Des, when was Europe _ever_ a beacon of human rights? Hot women and loose
sexual morals, yes, but human rights?
Mac
JIGSAW1695
From: Desmond Coughlan pasdespa...@noos.fr
Date: 2/26/2002 9:46 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <slrna7nipj.5t8.p...@tortue.voute.net>
Le Tue, 26 Feb 2002 09:13:38 +0000, Earl Evleth <dev...@noos.fr> a écrit :
{ snip }
> Death penalty ban in all circumstances: Protocol added
> to the European Convention on Human Rights
Gratifying news, Earl. When this Protocol is signed by all of Europe, as
I'm sure it will be (unless the Dirty Man decides to drag his feet again,
as he has done for almost every major decision in Europe over the past
couple of decades), this fair continent will once again confirm its status
as a beacon of human rights, its light dispelling the sick and revolting
shadow of legal killing from third world countries like China, the Yemen,
Iraq, and the United States.
Vive l'Europe !
==============================
"... this fair continent will once again confirm its status as a beacon of
human rights"
ROTFLMAO at this silly statement. Just one example..... ask the Jews about its
status as a beacon of human rights.
Desi, your just trying to rattle our cages with this statement. Right? As I
recall, millions upon millions fled "this fair continent" for America.
Oh yea, one other thing, America is not a third world country.
Jigsaw
John Rennie
"LMac" <lmck...@ev1.net> wrote in message
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Not Continental Europe perhaps but England certainly was.
William Robert
Once again, Desi's statement is just silly. The Gross Domestic Product of
California exceeds that of France. Now let us talk of a 3rd world country.
http://www.laedc.org/ee-v5n25/GDP-2000.txt
William Robert
LMac
> Le Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:10:20 -0600, LMac <lmck...@ev1.net> a écrit :
>
> >> > Death penalty ban in all circumstances: Protocol added
> >> > to the European Convention on Human Rights
>
> >> Gratifying news, Earl. When this Protocol is signed by all of Europe,
as
> >> I'm sure it will be (unless the Dirty Man decides to drag his feet
again,
> >> as he has done for almost every major decision in Europe over the past
> >> couple of decades), this fair continent will once again confirm its
status
> >> as a beacon of human rights, its light dispelling the sick and
revolting
> >> shadow of legal killing from third world countries like China, the
Yemen,
> >> Iraq, and the United States.
> >>
> >> Vive l'Europe !
>
> > No legal killing in Europe? Maybe Saddam Hussein will take over France,
> > since they can no longer fight back. Wait check that.... they never
could.
> > ;-)
>
I know..., PV is falling down on the training a bit.
> > Des, when was Europe _ever_ a beacon of human rights? Hot women and
loose
> > sexual morals, yes, but human rights?
>
> I agree with you insofar as women are concerned (especially French,
> Spanish, and Italian women ...)
As well you should! The women are quite possibly the only thing that could
tempt me to France (not that I would be welcomed, but I would certainly
leer).
> but morals ? In what respect is the
> United States more 'moral' than Europe, except in its puritanical façade
> of almost 'Victorian' values (much personified here by the
> right-wing, Catholic, altar-rail-biting, holier-than-thou PV) ?
I never claimed the US was _more_ 'moral', that would be foolish. We
(collectively, not me specifically) hide behind religion and claim morality
all the time; but it's all bullshit, of course. We are quite human and the
good among us do generally stick to the golden rule (either one, take your
pick), but we can hardly claim the higher ground - of course, Europe has
climbed in and out of the ditch more times than I care to count.
Mac
> --
> Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
> desmond @ noos.fr |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
> http://mapage.noos.fr/desmond/
> Clé Publique : http://mapage.noos.fr/desmond/pgp/pubring.pkr
LMac
> Le Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:19:25 +0000, Desmond Coughlan
<pasdespa...@noos.fr> a écrit :
>> I know..., PV is falling down on the training a bit.
>
>If you're replying on that self-important, sanctimonious old windbag for
>'training', then I fear that things can only go from bad to worse ...
Well it _was_ your suggestion that I take some trolling lessons.
>{ anyway, snip ... I'm off to the pub for a pint }
Ah, one of the things I miss most about England (and the rest of Europe).
The neighborhood pub...
Mac
dirtdog
<pasdespa...@noos.fr> wrote:
<snipped>
>right-wing, Catholic, altar-rail-biting, holier-than-thou PV) ?
Indeed.
If he were any closer to being Catholic priest, he'd be sodomising the
choirboys.
w00f
JIGSAW1695
From: Desmond Coughlan pasdespa...@noos.fr
Message-id: <slrna7nvcc.6a4.p...@tortue.voute.net>
Le Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:20:46 -0600, LMac <lmck...@ev1.net> a écrit :
{ snip }
>>{ anyway, snip ... I'm off to the pub for a pint }
> Ah, one of the things I miss most about England (and the rest of Europe).
> The neighborhood pub...
I changed my mind. I bought a copy of _Le Monde_, and was going to go for
something to eat, but just went to McDonald's instead.
--
Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1
===============================
The thought of drinking warm beer turned your stomach I see.
And McDonalds??? Why Desmond Coughlan, I do believe there is hope for you yet.
Jigsaw
William Robert
>Subject: Re: DP Protocol added to the European Convention on Human Rights
>From: Desmond Coughlan pasdespa...@noos.fr
>Date: 2/26/2002 1:21 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <slrna7nvcc.6a4.p...@tortue.voute.net>
>
>Le Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:20:46 -0600, LMac <lmck...@ev1.net> a écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>>>{ anyway, snip ... I'm off to the pub for a pint }
>
>> Ah, one of the things I miss most about England (and the rest of Europe).
>> The neighborhood pub...
>
>I changed my mind. I bought a copy of _Le Monde_, and was going to go for
>something to eat, but just went to McDonald's instead.
==============
The thought of drinking warm beer turned your stomach I see.
And McDonalds??? Why Desmond Coughlan, I do believe there is hope for you yet.
Jigsaw
............................
Jigsaw, Desi put in a job application. Remember, he does have prior experience.
William Robert
Richard Jackson
happens if a member state refuses to sign? Will that member state be
dropped from membership? If so, then the Council is not a democratic
organization, but only pays lip service to the word.
--
Richard Jackson
"Earl Evleth" <dev...@noos.fr> wrote in message news:<a5fg4c$phm$1...@neon.noos.net>...
Exador
> "Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@noos.fr> wrote in message
> news:slrna7nrt0.64h.p...@tortue.voute.net...
>
>>Le Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:19:25 +0000, Desmond Coughlan
>>
> <pasdespa...@noos.fr> a écrit :
>
>
>>>I know..., PV is falling down on the training a bit.
>>>
>>If you're replying on that self-important, sanctimonious old windbag for
>>'training', then I fear that things can only go from bad to worse ...
>>
>
> Well it _was_ your suggestion that I take some trolling lessons.
Yes, but PV? His approach resembles fishing with dynamite more than
trolling. I believe his dictionary stops at "m", it certainly contains
no reference for "subtle", or "nuance". :-)
>
>
>>{ anyway, snip ... I'm off to the pub for a pint }
>>
>
> Ah, one of the things I miss most about England (and the rest of Europe).
> The neighborhood pub...
Australia still has them, thanks to our British heritage, although
drink-driving laws and the fact that most of them seem to be getting
turned into pseudo-Irish theme parks is going a long way toward killing
them off.
Cheers,
Craig
> Mac
>
>
>
>
>
Exador
^^
Sorry, "are". :-)
cheers,
Craig
Exador
> I have a question, Earl. If Protocol 13 allows no exceptions, what
> happens if a member state refuses to sign? Will that member state be
> dropped from membership? If so, then the Council is not a democratic
> organization, but only pays lip service to the word.
False premise Richard. The Council agrees democratically on the
Protocols and these then become binding on all members. The same
principle applies to all laws enacted by any Society or society.
Otherwise a vaild defense to a crime would be to simply opt out of
agreeing to obey a law you didn't like. I'm sure you can see the
implications.
Cheers,
Craig
A Planet Visitor
> > to the European Convention on Human Rights
>
> I'm sure it will be (unless the Dirty Man decides to drag his feet again,
> as he has done for almost every major decision in Europe over the past
> couple of decades), this fair continent will once again confirm its status
> as a beacon of human rights, its light dispelling the sick and revolting
> shadow of legal killing from third world countries like China, the Yemen,
> Iraq, and the United States.
>
> Vive l'Europe !
ROTFLMAO.
PV
A Planet Visitor
> Le Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:10:20 -0600, LMac <lmck...@ev1.net> a écrit :
>
> >> > Death penalty ban in all circumstances: Protocol added
> >> > to the European Convention on Human Rights
>
> >> Gratifying news, Earl. When this Protocol is signed by all of Europe, as
> >> I'm sure it will be (unless the Dirty Man decides to drag his feet again,
> >> as he has done for almost every major decision in Europe over the past
> >> couple of decades), this fair continent will once again confirm its status
> >> as a beacon of human rights, its light dispelling the sick and revolting
> >> shadow of legal killing from third world countries like China, the Yemen,
> >> Iraq, and the United States.
> >>
> >> Vive l'Europe !
>
> > No legal killing in Europe? Maybe Saddam Hussein will take over France,
> > since they can no longer fight back. Wait check that.... they never could.
> > ;-)
>
>
> > sexual morals, yes, but human rights?
>
> United States more 'moral' than Europe, except in its puritanical façade
> of almost 'Victorian' values (much personified here by the
>
A Planet Visitor
> Le Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:59:34 -0600, LMac <lmck...@ev1.net> a écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> >> A rather poor troll, which I would have thought to be beneath you, Mac.
>
> > I know..., PV is falling down on the training a bit.
>
> 'training', then I fear that things can only go from bad to worse ...
>
and imagination from, dirtdog, it is amusing to watch you two
nonentities working together to argue in meaningless insults;
trying to make points that any normal half-wit would prefer not
to make in the first place. I don't know exactly how to put my
finger on it, but every time I see a post from either of you, this
strange image of 'the Village People,' doing 'at the YMCA,' comes
to my mind.
PV
> { snip }
>
> >> I agree with you insofar as women are concerned (especially French,
> >> Spanish, and Italian women ...)
>
> > As well you should! The women are quite possibly the only thing that could
> > tempt me to France (not that I would be welcomed, but I would certainly
> > leer).
>
> Well I'm an ugly bastard, and I've managed to survive, so you should be
> able to get by. :-)
>
> { anyway, snip ... I'm off to the pub for a pint }
>
A Planet Visitor
> Le 26 Feb 2002 18:49:17 GMT, JIGSAW1695 <jigsa...@aol.com> a écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> > ROTFLMAO at this silly statement. Just one example..... ask the Jews about
its
> > status as a beacon of human rights.
>
> United States' record on human rights, Jigsaw. I am talking about the
> present, not the past. Europe does not violate its citizens' human
> rights. The United States does. Deal with it.
>
Pride, my friend, lies under a threadbare cloak. Tell your
lies to a 99% conviction rate, the clochard who sleeps in the
gutter, and the neo-Nazi who still persecutes the Jews in
much of Europe. Jigsaw could well be speaking of present
day anti-Semitic practices in Europe. Tell your lies to a
Europe that STILL engages in senseless slaughter between
Serb and Muslim. Do you want to see the MOST HYPOCRITICAL
political statement I've seen since Hitler? It is today's news that
Serbia has today abolished the DP. While making the claim
that it has not been carried out in Yugoslavia in the past 10
years... see
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7701-2002Feb26.html
This from an area that has a former leader under indictment
in the World Court for war crimes ('practical' genocide). God,
WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU PEOPLE???? At least in
the U.S., we do not SENSELESSLY slaughter each other,
and then piously claim we are abolishing the DP, and have
not used it in 10 years, while the dead and murdered lie
half-buried, yet forgotten. Forgotten by Desmond, who
says "Europe does not violate its citizens' human
rights."
I am reminded of Chamfort -- 'If it were not for the government,
we should have nothing left to laugh at in France." Deal with it.
PV
> { remainder of sillyness snipped }
JIGSAW1695
Date: 2/26/2002 2:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <20020226173332...@mb-ba.aol.com>
Jigsaw
............................
William Robert
===============================
LOL.......wonderful ......
A Planet Visitor
"Exador" <mister...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> LMac wrote:
>
> > "Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@noos.fr> wrote in message
> > news:slrna7nrt0.64h.p...@tortue.voute.net...
> >
> >>Le Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:19:25 +0000, Desmond Coughlan
> >>
> > <pasdespa...@noos.fr> a écrit :
> >
> >
> >>>I know..., PV is falling down on the training a bit.
> >>>
> >>If you're replying on that self-important, sanctimonious old windbag for
> >>'training', then I fear that things can only go from bad to worse ...
> >>
> >
> > Well it _was_ your suggestion that I take some trolling lessons.
>
>
> Yes, but PV? His approach resembles fishing with dynamite more than
> trolling. I believe his dictionary stops at "m", it certainly contains
> no reference for "subtle", or "nuance". :-)
>
>
>
he will now play the role of a refugee from a Tasmanian
lunatic asylum, stare at a blank sheet of meaning in his
unhappiness, giggle awkwardly in mortification, and
spit at humanity when he finds it advantageous to his
agenda to do so.
PV
<Clipped>
JIGSAW1695
From: Desmond Coughlan pasdespa...@noos.fr
Message-id: <slrna7o99a.6cc.p...@tortue.voute.net>
Le 26 Feb 2002 22:19:03 GMT, JIGSAW1695 <jigsa...@aol.com> a écrit :
>> I changed my mind. I bought a copy of _Le Monde_, and was going to go
>> for something to eat, but just went to McDonald's instead.
... oh fuck, Jigsaw's post has disappeared again. Jigsaw, when are you
going to get rid of those .sig separators ?
--
Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1
===============================
For real question: What is a ".sig" separators? What they do? And why do they
do it?
Jigsaw
A Planet Visitor
"dirtdog" <dog.of.re...@w00f.w00f.w00f.cxm> wrote in message
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PV
> w00f
>
>
A Planet Visitor
"JIGSAW1695" <jigsa...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Quite right. And it rather demonstrates that William Robert
and Don Kool are not actually the same person. The humor
is quite different, with William staying more out of the
religious angle, whereas Don uses it frequently in the
body of his posts and not just his closing standard statement.
I personally never have believed they are the same person.
PV
A Planet Visitor
> Le Wed, 27 Feb 2002 03:30:49 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@abcxyz.com> a
écrit :
>
> { snip the gobshite from PV's posts }
>
> Hmm ... you should have saved your spittle, PV.
>
Actually, I found it very descriptive. Allow me to reinsert it.
Seeing as how you genuflect before, and draw your inspiration
and imagination from, dirtdog, it is amusing to watch you two
nonentities working together to argue in meaningless insults;
trying to make points that any normal half-wit would prefer not
to make in the first place. I don't know exactly how to put my
finger on it, but every time I see a post from either of you, this
strange image of 'the Village People,' doing 'at the YMCA,' comes
to my mind.
BTW -- ROTFLMAO.
PV
John Rennie
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@abcxyz.com> wrote in message
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But that's because you aren't as bright as you claim to be - there's no
doubt really. 'billybob' and Kool are one and the same.
Exador
At least in
> the U.S., we do not SENSELESSLY slaughter each other,
> and then piously claim we are abolishing the DP, and have
> not used it in 10 years, while the dead and murdered lie
> half-buried, yet forgotten.
No, in the US you senselessly slaughter each other and then crow about
it. What a paragon.
Cheers,
Craig
Richard Jackson
> Richard Jackson wrote:
>
> > I have a question, Earl. If Protocol 13 allows no exceptions, what
> > happens if a member state refuses to sign? Will that member state be
> > dropped from membership? If so, then the Council is not a democratic
> > organization, but only pays lip service to the word.
>
>
>
> False premise Richard. The Council agrees democratically on the
> Protocols and these then become binding on all members. The same
> principle applies to all laws enacted by any Society or society.
> Otherwise a vaild defense to a crime would be to simply opt out of
> agreeing to obey a law you didn't like. I'm sure you can see the
> implications.
> Cheers,
> Craig
As I read the post, Craig, Protocol 13 is drafted and proposed by the
Committee of Ministers of the Council, and is now up for signing by
the member states. To me, that indicates it has yet to be formally
adopted by the states. In the next sentence, however, the news
release states: "No derogation or reservation will be allowed to
Protocol No. 13 to the European Convention on Human Rights." This
indicates no futher democratic action or discussion will be allowed
regardless.
Member states do not have to sign or agree with the adoption, but must
adhere to it.
It appears to me, just looking at the language of the release that
this is already a done deal irregardless of the number of states which
sign the Protocol and if that number is a simple majority or not.
Geez, Craig, I just asked the question what happened if one of the
nations refused to sign. I can but assume that a nation who did not
agree would have no choice other than to be forced to adhere to the
rules or be dismissed from the council with all the disadvantages
trade-wise that encompasses. Play our way or go home, eh?
That isn't democracy, that's legal blackmail by a bunch of want-a-be
United States of Europe.
--
Richard Jackson
Earl Evleth
Dans l'article <3c7bce0e$1...@newsa.ev1.net>, "LMac" <lmck...@ev1.net> a
écrit :
> No legal killing in Europe? Maybe Saddam Hussein will take over France,
Certainly an argumentative non-sequitor. Try harder next time!
Earl
Kurt Sims
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@abcxyz.com> wrote:
> Quite right. And it rather demonstrates that William Robert
> and Don Kool are not actually the same person. The humor
> is quite different, with William staying more out of the
> religious angle, whereas Don uses it frequently in the
> body of his posts and not just his closing standard statement.
> I personally never have believed they are the same person.
humor?
--
To reply by email remove the 2 copies of spam in my reply address.
A Planet Visitor
"John Rennie" <j.re...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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lot of blindness as well. Who has doubt, and who is blind
are not easily determined.
PV
A Planet Visitor
Earl, The Emperor of non-sequitor (sic) pontificates on his speciality.
PV
> Earl
>
A Planet Visitor
> A Planet Visitor wrote:
>
> At least in
> > the U.S., we do not SENSELESSLY slaughter each other,
> > and then piously claim we are abolishing the DP, and have
> > not used it in 10 years, while the dead and murdered lie
> > half-buried, yet forgotten.
>
>
> No, in the US you senselessly slaughter each other and then crow about
> it. What a paragon.
Moron. When has anyone in the U.S. crowed about a
homicide rate of 14,000 a year? NEVER, is the answer.
Yet, the previous poster - Desmond - DID do the crowing -
when he said "Europe does not violate its citizens' human
rights." I pointed out, quite rightly that he is MISTAKEN.
The 'crowing' is coming from the OTHER side of the ocean.
And you need to understand that fact. And I will repeat
my reply here again to a claim that 'Europe does not
violate its citizens' human rights.' While making no
'crowing' sound on behalf of the U.S., but simply stating
FACTS --
--------------------------------------------------
Pride, my friend, lies under a threadbare cloak. Tell your
lies to a 99% conviction rate, the clochard who sleeps in the
gutter, and the neo-Nazi who still persecutes the Jews in
much of Europe. Jigsaw could well be speaking of present
day anti-Semitic practices in Europe. Tell your lies to a
Europe that STILL engages in senseless slaughter between
Serb and Muslim. Do you want to see the MOST HYPOCRITICAL
political statement I've seen since Hitler? It is today's news that
Serbia has today abolished the DP. While making the claim
that it has not been carried out in Yugoslavia in the past 10
years... see
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7701-2002Feb26.html
This from an area that has a former leader under indictment
in the World Court for war crimes ('practical' genocide). God,
WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU PEOPLE???? At least in
the U.S., we do not SENSELESSLY slaughter each other,
and then piously claim we are abolishing the DP, and have
not used it in 10 years, while the dead and murdered lie
half-buried, yet forgotten. Forgotten by Desmond, who
says "Europe does not violate its citizens' human
rights."
I am reminded of Chamfort -- 'If it were not for the government,
we should have nothing left to laugh at in France." Deal with
-------------------------------------------------------------------
You will notice that my reference is in respect to a
claim that the DP has not been carried out in the past
10 years, while an entire government in Europe has used
the DP as a form of genocide. How soon we forget!
PV
> Cheers,
> Craig
>
>
> >
> > PV
William Robert
<goayboy_pas...@noos.fr> wrote:
>Le Wed, 27 Feb 2002 05:54:03 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@abcxyz.com> a
écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>> I personally never have believed they are the same person.
>
>Did we need any more proof that you're an idiot ?
Desi, do we need anymore proof of your status?
BTW, I'll take fries with that.
William Robert
A Planet Visitor
> Le Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:20:27 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@abcxyz.com> a
écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> > Moron. When has anyone in the U.S. crowed about a
> > homicide rate of 14,000 a year? NEVER, is the answer.
> > Yet, the previous poster - Desmond - DID do the crowing -
> > when he said "Europe does not violate its citizens' human
> > rights." I pointed out, quite rightly that he is MISTAKEN.
>
>
> Some posters here have proved me 'mistaken', PV. You're not one of them.
> Keep trying, twat.
>
Jesus, Desmond... your counter-arguments are just getting
SOOOOOO pathetic. Is that the best you can do? Obviously
your arguments are desperately in need of balloons, party
hats, noise makers, a huge buffet line, Luciano Pavarotti live,
and a giant loudspeaker, because as they now stand, they're
absolutely pitiful.
PV
> { snip }
A Planet Visitor
> Le Wed, 27 Feb 2002 05:54:03 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@abcxyz.com> a
écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> > I personally never have believed they are the same person.
>
Iet me repeat ---
Jesus, Desmond... your counter-arguments are just getting
SOOOOOO pathetic. Is that the best you can do? Obviously
your arguments are desperately in need of balloons, party
hats, noise makers, a huge buffet line, Luciano Pavarotti live,
and a giant loudspeaker, because as they now stand, they're
absolutely pitiful.
PV
> --
LMac
Hardly non-sequitor. War consists of legal killing, which was the nature of
the allusion. It was actually a jab back at Desi, who seems to delight in
berating people for their lack of verbal accuracy.
In case you still don't get it, I was fucking with Des because he fucked
with me earlier.
Mac
John Rennie
"LMac" <lmck...@ev1.net> wrote in message news:3c7d4...@newsa.ev1.net...
Whatever, I'm sure Desmond deserved it.
William Robert
wrote:
>Le Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:59:11 -0000, John Rennie <j.re...@ntlworld.com> a
écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>> Whatever, I'm sure Desmond deserved it.
>
>I deserve it all, John. A Jew with Christian relatives. I've got both
>guilts.
Desi, most of the time it seems to be self inflected.
William Robert
A Planet Visitor
> Le Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:43:44 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@abcxyz.com> a
écrit :
>
> >> > I personally never have believed they are the same person.
>
> >> Did we need any more proof that you're an idiot ?
>
> > Iet me repeat ---
>
> Did we need any more proof that you're an idiot ?
>
trolls.
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
Visitor" <abc...@abcxyz.com> wrote:
> "Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@noos.fr> wrote in message
> news:slrna7qj34.8qe.p...@tortue.voute.net...
> > Le Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:43:44 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@abcxyz.com>
> > a
> écrit :
> >
> > >> > I personally never have believed they are the same person.
> >
> > >> Did we need any more proof that you're an idiot ?
> >
> > > Iet me repeat ---
> >
> > Did we need any more proof that you're an idiot ?
> >
> Shit, Desmondo... that's ALL you're good for... Repeating idiotic
> trolls.
PV: You're a dick.
Des: No. You're a dick.
PV: _You're_ a dick.
Des: But you're a _bigger_ dick.
PV: No. _You're_ a dick.
Des: You're a dick.
*sound of door opening*
QZD: Will you kids just _shut_up_. I'm trying to _drink_ in here.
*slam*
Mr Q. Z. D.
--
Drinker, systems administrator, wannabe writer, musician and all-round bastard.
"My parents always told me I could be what I wanted to be. ((o))
So I became a complete bastard." ((O))
A Planet Visitor
"Mr Q. Z. Diablo" <dia...@prometheus.humsoc.utas.edu.au> wrote in message
news:diablo-765F42....@newsroom.utas.edu.au...
> In article <Etgf8.3301$1p6.7...@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>, "A Planet
> Visitor" <abc...@abcxyz.com> wrote:
>
> > "Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@noos.fr> wrote in message
> > news:slrna7qj34.8qe.p...@tortue.voute.net...
> > > Le Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:43:44 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@abcxyz.com>
> > > a
> > écrit :
> > >
> > > >> > I personally never have believed they are the same person.
> > >
> > > >> Did we need any more proof that you're an idiot ?
> > >
> > > > Iet me repeat ---
> > >
> > > Did we need any more proof that you're an idiot ?
> > >
> > Shit, Desmondo... that's ALL you're good for... Repeating idiotic
> > trolls.
>
> PV: You're a dick.
> Des: No. You're a dick.
> PV: _You're_ a dick.
> Des: But you're a _bigger_ dick.
> PV: No. _You're_ a dick.
> Des: You're a dick.
>
> *sound of door opening*
>
> QZD: Will you kids just _shut_up_. I'm trying to _drink_ in here.
>
> *slam*
>
don't you address that idiotic comment to DESMOND,
because HE'S the one making the ONE LINE FUCKING
STUPID COMMENTS. This from the moron that claimed
'The dead cannot be honored,' along with at least eight
other gems that defy logical or moral description.
I know... I know... you'll now say you MEANT it for
BOTH of us... But God Damn it, then address it to
BOTH of us, and not to me. You will find that DESMOND
has AGAIN replied with another idiotic immature comment
so I can expect you to remark about that to HIM.
Exador
There's a great product called "Rain-X PV. I use it and recommend it. It
is intended for use on car windscreens to assist in removing water, but
it may be effective for spittle on monitors as well. I suggest you try it.
Cheers,
Craig
A Planet Visitor
This from the guy who when I read his posts
causes me to form a mental image of Liberace
playing Hamlet, or R2D2 having gone amok.
PV
A Planet Visitor
> Le Thu, 28 Feb 2002 05:24:16 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@abcxyz.com> a
écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> Once again, I'm
> an immature little twat.
You don't need to remind us It's MY job to remind us
-- Desmond believes --
1) God should protect murderers in an escape to Mexico.
2) The Lockerbie terrorist attack was caused by a wind gust.
3) Switzerland is not in Europe.
4) The dead cannot be honored.
5) It is Better that Theodore Frank be free to murder 3-year old
girls again rather than he be executed.
6) There is such a person as a 'selective' abolitionist.
7) He cannot tear his eyes away from the firm, comely, just turned
16 year-old thighs of Sarah Hughes.
8) Although defense is defined in the Oxford English Dictionary
specifically as 'protection,' in its main definitional meaning,
he disagrees, finding himself far superior in defining words.
9) Europe does not violate its citizens' human
rights. Bosnia thus also not in Europe.
10) America and The United States are not synonyms,
although every dictionary defines them thusly.
11) PV is 'evil' because he is Catholic, obviously presuming
ALL Catholics are 'evil.' Isn't that kind of thinking what
started it all from day one?
12) bin Laden, didn't plan or carry out the attacks of 911,
but he knows who did.
13) The Bush Administration,and Mossad also know.
Desmond places his money on either Israel, or Pakistan being
behind the attacks.
WARNING to everyone -- Desmond's posts are about
things that don't exist, things that never existed, things
that will never exist, and all which, in any case, are things
that are all lies.
JIGSAW1695
Date: 2/28/2002 10:33 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <KJuf8.4490$lX4.1...@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>
PV
===========================
I can remember only one post made by Dezi that could be considered a valid
arument. All the other posts he has made have been attempts to belittle the
person he was answering. I guess it is just his co-dependant nature because of
his unpleasent, insecure childhood.
Jigsaw
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
Visitor" <abc...@abcxyz.com> wrote:
It was actually directed at _both_ of you - you'll notice that I singled
neither of you out - and was nothing more than my expression of
amusement at a very silly exchange.
John Rennie
Your disclaimer will mean nothing if PV is developing
a persecution complex. Did I post 'if'? Talk about
giving him the benefit of the doubt.
A Planet Visitor
dezi had already made another clumsy reply in this
SAME thread, yet again. This is not the first time, as I
recall in my arguments with dirt, where posts calling for
a halt were directed to MY handle, while dirt was perceived
as the aggrieved party. Almost all of them strangely coming
from those having the same agenda as my antagonist.
Could it be more than coincidence that you find yourself
AFRAID of confronting Desmond DIRECTLY, and need
to insure your hands are rather clean with him, in case
you possibly visit Paris? You certainly have no problem
confronting Robert or Don or others.
I had thought dezi's hiatus might have caused him to
reexamine his flaws. And I was ready to operate from
a clean sheet of paper. But apparently it has only given
him an opportunity to hone those flaws to a dull point.
Abolitionists here need to realize that Desmond is the
WORST possible thing that could happen to their cause
in this newsgroup. Much worse that Don represents to
the retentionist side of the issue. And abolitionists need
to call him OUT every time he demonstrates his stupidity
to avoid being tagged as hypocrites themselves. John
Rennie is the ONLY abolitionist I see doing so, at an
acceptable level. It seems all other abolitionists are
somehow AFRAID of Desmond's moronic presence. I
will continue to point out the imbecilic statements I've seen
him make, which he certainly can't deny. Truth be told,
I've only scratched the surface of his stupidity.
Anyway, it was late, my button was pushed, and I simply
was not prepared to roll over and play dead for someone of
the caliber of stupidity that Desmond represents.
PV
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
Visitor" <abc...@abcxyz.com> wrote:
I'm not going to post the same thing twice, once to each protagonist, in
an effort to appear even-handed. I happened to notice the
back-and-forthing at a certain point and felt amused enough to comment
upon it at that point.
> even though
> dezi had already made another clumsy reply in this
> SAME thread, yet again. This is not the first time, as I
> recall in my arguments with dirt, where posts calling for
> a halt were directed to MY handle, while dirt was perceived
> as the aggrieved party. Almost all of them strangely coming
> from those having the same agenda as my antagonist.
> Could it be more than coincidence that you find yourself
> AFRAID of confronting Desmond DIRECTLY, and need
> to insure your hands are rather clean with him, in case
> you possibly visit Paris? You certainly have no problem
> confronting Robert or Don or others.
I've had a few too many beers with Des on one occasion. He's a very
nice chap. A very nice chap with whom I disagree about a great many
things. You will find my disinterested dissection of your posting
regarding the silly things that he's been known to assert.
I don't care about Donnie. He's a joke. A joke who has been extremely
vindictive and sometimes dangerous, particularly on comp.unix.*. Donnie
is billybob is Desis* is a freaking hydra troll. I enjoy provoking
Donnie. Des is, at least, someone who is prepared to post under one
alias and one alias only regardless of how sensible or silly the content.
> I had thought dezi's hiatus might have caused him to
> reexamine his flaws. And I was ready to operate from
> a clean sheet of paper. But apparently it has only given
> him an opportunity to hone those flaws to a dull point.
> Abolitionists here need to realize that Desmond is the
> WORST possible thing that could happen to their cause
> in this newsgroup.
I speak for _my_ cause, not everyone else's. Des can feel free to speak
for his and I don't regard it as an embarrassment any more than I regard
Donnie an embarrassment to retentionists. People only serve to
embarrass themselves when they express their views in a public forum.
> John
> Rennie is the ONLY abolitionist I see doing so, at an
> acceptable level. It seems all other abolitionists are
> somehow AFRAID of Desmond's moronic presence. I
> will continue to point out the imbecilic statements I've seen
> him make, which he certainly can't deny. Truth be told,
> I've only scratched the surface of his stupidity.
I don't object to that in the least. Not in the slightest, PV. Nor did
I object to the exchange that prompted my posting. I just found it
amusing and said so, albeit in an elliptical fashion.
I'll quote:
"QZD: Will you kids just _shut_up_. I'm trying to _drink_ in here."
Did I say "PV" or "Des"? No. The second sentence should have indicated
that I was far from serious and the first indicated that I was speaking
to _both_ of you. Sheesh!
> Anyway, it was late, my button was pushed, and I simply
> was not prepared to roll over and play dead for someone of
> the caliber of stupidity that Desmond represents.
Whatever. I have no problem. Please don't tear my head off for
observing that the exchange has become amusing when it _has_ done so,
though.
A Planet Visitor
since he posted to MY post, not Desmond's, yet
claimed it was directed to both of us. Trust me,
if he had directed that SAME post to the last
posting of Desmond, you would not have heard a
peep from me.
PV
A Planet Visitor
If you don't think that Desi is vindictive and dangerous
you actually don't read his posts that thoroughly, IMHO.
Claiming that it would be better to leave a known
pedophile murderer walk out free as a bird, rather than
execute him, or to wish for God to guide murderers to
Mexico while they murder on their way, or to state that
the dead cannot be honored, can hardly be seen as
someone who is dispensing logic or wisdom more
profound than what we'd expect from a four-year old.
Personally, I have never found Don to be as destructive
in intent as Desilu is. In point of fact, setting aside
the nature of disagreement we have regarding the
DP, I find Desilu, Craig and dirt to all be rather
immature, and certainly here in only a destructive
capacity, rather than to provide any meaningful input
into the argument. I certainly long for the days of
David I, David II, even Mitchell (the fawner), and
some others from before. The ONLY reasonable
posters on the abolitionist side I now see are John
Rennie and you. And to be perfectly frank, I realize
I am no longer an asset to the retentionist side here.
Reduced to providing definitions to those unable to
read dictionaries for themselves. Perhaps I was before,
perhaps not, but I've become very jaded to the
unreason I see from the current crop of abolitionists.
On the other hand, the NEW crop of retentionists I
see, along with the old stalwarts Richard, and may I
even add Jigsaw, have been rather devastating toward the
argument of the abolitionist lately, which has become
filled with a great number of unreasonable posters,
trying to hijack this group, as bin Laden tried with Islam,
and turn it into an anti-US forum, far removed from the
subject of the group. Of course... IMHO.
> > I had thought dezi's hiatus might have caused him to
> > reexamine his flaws. And I was ready to operate from
> > a clean sheet of paper. But apparently it has only given
> > him an opportunity to hone those flaws to a dull point.
> > Abolitionists here need to realize that Desmond is the
> > WORST possible thing that could happen to their cause
> > in this newsgroup.
>
> I speak for _my_ cause, not everyone else's. Des can feel free to speak
> for his and I don't regard it as an embarrassment any more than I regard
> Donnie an embarrassment to retentionists. People only serve to
> embarrass themselves when they express their views in a public forum.
>
I think the point to be made is you never fail to respond
to a post from some of those here we all recognize have
a different agenda than you, who you strongly disagree
with. Yet I find you especially condescending to Desi
in particular. And Craig, where you assumed a brotherly
protective status when he began hissing his ugly venom.
And dirt, in whom you find much to find humorous when
he remarks on sex with another poster's Mother. If you
yourself, do not see the subconscious MENTAL
SICKNESS that is so obvious in those repetitive
remarks, I certainly can't make you understand. It is
certainly an axiom that there is a fine line between
brilliance and insanity in the style of dirt, and one can
usually see the direction it takes when the word Mother
or Mum appears in one of his posts.
> > John
> > Rennie is the ONLY abolitionist I see doing so, at an
> > acceptable level. It seems all other abolitionists are
> > somehow AFRAID of Desmond's moronic presence. I
> > will continue to point out the imbecilic statements I've seen
> > him make, which he certainly can't deny. Truth be told,
> > I've only scratched the surface of his stupidity.
>
> I don't object to that in the least. Not in the slightest, PV. Nor did
> I object to the exchange that prompted my posting. I just found it
> amusing and said so, albeit in an elliptical fashion.
>
> I'll quote:
>
> "QZD: Will you kids just _shut_up_. I'm trying to _drink_ in here."
>
> Did I say "PV" or "Des"? No. The second sentence should have indicated
> that I was far from serious and the first indicated that I was speaking
> to _both_ of you. Sheesh!
>
You need to look a bit further than that. First you presumed
that it had STARTED with me, in your remark on our dialog.
Then you presumed it had ENDED with me, by directing your
post to MY comment. You may find it thin-skinned on my
part, but I am rather curious as to what you believe would
have been the response from Desi, had you directed it to
a post from him? I find it strange that we have dissimilar
viewpoints regarding the DP, and you claim that had nothing
to do with how you PRESENTED your comment. As I
said, it was late, like 2 in the morning, and you obviously pushed
my button. But I can tell you, that if I feel you have not
presented a balanced observation of shit like that which
happens, I will again remark on that fact. So I can only
say you should try to insure you ARE being balanced.
It would be much better if I didn't even have to mention
that.
<clipped>
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
pasdespa...@noos.fr wrote:
> Le Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:35:51 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@abcxyz.com> a
> écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> > CRAPOLA. It was a response to MY post,
>
> Whinge, whinge, whinge, Jedro. If it was a response to your post (and I
> neither know, nor care if it was), it was because you're a pontificating,
> altar-boy-shagging, sanctimonious old cunt, and nothing on AADP is more
> fun than taking the piss out of you.
Ah, but I was taking the piss out of the _pair_ of you. In the context
of the whole thread, this post appears to be _extremely_ graceless. You
were equally as guilty of pisstakeworthy silliness as PV and it might
have been wiser to admit it by remaining silent.
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
Visitor" <abc...@abcxyz.com> wrote:
If you want to talk about monkeys and footballs, it appears that I am
not one of the former and they appear to be fighting for exclusive
possession of the latter.
Des deserves a spanking for crudely claiming some kind victory just as
you do for your implicit claims of knowing what I was thinking when I
posted originally.
A Planet Visitor
> Le Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:35:51 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@abcxyz.com> a
écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> > CRAPOLA. It was a response to MY post,
>
> neither know, nor care if it was), it was because you're a pontificating,
> altar-boy-shagging, sanctimonious old cunt, and nothing on AADP is more
> fun than taking the piss out of you.
>
>
> { snip remainder of Jedro spanking the monkey and calling it 'debate' }
>
You're a very sick person, desilu. I think most here have begun
to become aware of that fact. And it please me to have been
first in line (after Don, of course) to have recognized your
self-destructive sickness. Should ANY of your comments
be taken seriously? Perhaps, but only by people who can
shine a light directly into one ear and have light come out
the other. I guess it needs repeating -- Desmond believes
(I find it impossible to use the word 'thinks'):
1) God should protect murderers in an escape to Mexico.
2) The Lockerbie terrorist attack was caused by a wind gust.
3) Switzerland is not in Europe.
4) The dead cannot be honored.
5) It is Better that Theodore Frank be free to murder 3-year old
girls again rather than he be executed.
6) There is such a person as a 'selective' abolitionist.
7) He cannot tear his eyes away from the firm, comely, just turned
16 year-old thighs of Sarah Hughes.
8) Although defense is defined in the Oxford English Dictionary
specifically as 'protection,' in its main definitional meaning,
he disagrees, finding himself far superior in defining words.
9) Europe does not violate its citizens' human
rights. Bosnia thus also not in Europe.
10) America and The United States are not synonyms,
although every dictionary defines them thusly.
11) PV is 'evil' because he is Catholic, obviously presuming
ALL Catholics are 'evil.' Isn't that kind of thinking what
started it all from day one?
12) bin Laden, didn't plan or carry out the attacks of 911,
but he knows who did.
13) The Bush Administration,and Mossad also know.
Desmond places his money on either Israel, or Pakistan being
behind the attacks.
And the newly arrived --
14) The failure to scramble and shoot down the Jets taken
over by terrorists in the WTC attack, using F-16's
(mistakenly identified by him as F-15's for whatever that
means), offered 'crystal clear' evidence that such was
"a case of either criminal neglicence, (sic) or treason."
It just KEEPS GETTING BETTER.
A Planet Visitor
> Le Fri, 01 Mar 2002 05:23:50 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@abcxyz.com> a
écrit :
>
> { snip Jedro spraying semen on his monitor, complaining about the 'Gang',
> sinking to Drewl's level in name-calling, and all the other off-topic
> waffle for which he's known on AADP }
>
> Christ ... didn't leave much, did it ?
A Planet Visitor
> In article <slrna7u7bh.c2m.p...@tortue.voute.net>,
> pasdespa...@noos.fr wrote:
>
> > Le Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:35:51 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@abcxyz.com> a
> > écrit :
> >
> > { snip }
> >
> > > CRAPOLA. It was a response to MY post,
> >
> > Whinge, whinge, whinge, Jedro. If it was a response to your post (and I
> > neither know, nor care if it was), it was because you're a pontificating,
> > altar-boy-shagging, sanctimonious old cunt, and nothing on AADP is more
> > fun than taking the piss out of you.
>
> Ah, but I was taking the piss out of the _pair_ of you. In the context
> of the whole thread, this post appears to be _extremely_ graceless. You
> were equally as guilty of pisstakeworthy silliness as PV and it might
> have been wiser to admit it by remaining silent.
>
PV
dirtdog
<abc...@abcxyz.com> wrote:
<snipped that list of PV's and a bit of ranting>
>14) The failure to scramble and shoot down the Jets taken
>over by terrorists in the WTC attack, using F-16's
>(mistakenly identified by him as F-15's for whatever that
>means), offered 'crystal clear' evidence that such was
>"a case of either criminal neglicence, (sic) or treason."
>
>It just KEEPS GETTING BETTER.
Indeed, it does.
ROTFLMAO. Really.
What is it belonging to "F16" which Desi claims was not scrambled to
intercept the said aircraft?
w00f
A Planet Visitor
> Le Fri, 01 Mar 2002 19:21:47 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@abcxyz.com> a
écrit :
>
> >> { snip Jedro spraying semen on his monitor, complaining about the 'Gang',
> >> sinking to Drewl's level in name-calling, and all the other off-topic
> >> waffle for which he's known on AADP }
> >>
> >> Christ ... didn't leave much, did it ?
>
> > You're a very sick person, desilu.
>
> altar-boy-molesting dipshit.
>
Desilu the bigot, spews his poisonous venom yet again.
Thanks for talking.
PV
> { snip Jedro's rather sad, tired list of lies }
A Planet Visitor
PV
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
pasdespa...@noos.fr wrote:
> Le Fri, 01 Mar 2002 12:44:45 GMT, Mr Q. Z. Diablo
> <dia...@prometheus.humsoc.utas.edu.au> a écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> > Ah, but I was taking the piss out of the _pair_ of you.
>
> You wouldn't dare ... :-)
I damned well would.
I've decided to stay more or less out of PV/Des flamefests just as I
have in the case of doggie/PV flamefests. They're entertaining to read
but walking in, no matter what your intentions, tends to get one caught
in a hideous crossfire.
John Rennie
"Mr Q. Z. Diablo" <dia...@prometheus.humsoc.utas.edu.au> wrote in message
news:diablo-38DB1D....@newsroom.utas.edu.au...
> In article <slrna7vhd4.d3t.p...@tortue.voute.net>,
> pasdespa...@noos.fr wrote:
>
> > Le Fri, 01 Mar 2002 12:44:45 GMT, Mr Q. Z. Diablo
> > <dia...@prometheus.humsoc.utas.edu.au> a écrit :
> >
> > { snip }
> >
> > > Ah, but I was taking the piss out of the _pair_ of you.
> >
> > You wouldn't dare ... :-)
>
> I damned well would.
>
> I've decided to stay more or less out of PV/Des flamefests just as I
> have in the case of doggie/PV flamefests. They're entertaining to read
> but walking in, no matter what your intentions, tends to get one caught
> in a hideous crossfire.
>
> Mr Q. Z. D.
PV has the staying power - doggie's and especially Desmond's responses get
weaker and weaker. They should try to do better - humour is more effective
than abuse.
A Planet Visitor
"dirtdog" <dog.of.re...@w00f.w00f.w00f.cxm> wrote in message
news:j7308u0h6d25tqdtl...@4ax.com...
bottle and take another swig.
PV
> w00f
>
>
William Robert
wrote:
>
>Still, one must give the bitter old Catholic his moment in the limelight.
>Lord only knows that his days are numbered. I just hope for his sake,
>that there's no hell.
"There is no hell. There is only France."
-- Frank Zappa
William Robert
dirtdog
Shut up you pompous old fart.
If one was to continue arguing nonsense with PV, one would simply be
there all day and night wading through a big pile of sanctimonious,
fundamentally flawed bullshit, trying to work out a coherent thread in
his reasoning which one may attack.
I has found that adopting the position of res ipsa locquitur is by far
the least painful approach once I have had my say (which, of course,
is always correct).
You should try to understand better, John, and not be drawn in by PV's
wind and piss which left you so patently out in the cold and wrong
regarding the ol' attempted rape and intent debate.
Good troll, though. OAPs united and all that.
w00f
dirtdog
<abc...@abcxyz.com> wrote:
>
>"dirtdog" <dog.of.re...@w00f.w00f.w00f.cxm> wrote in message
>news:j7308u0h6d25tqdtl...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 01 Mar 2002 19:21:47 GMT, "A Planet Visitor"
>> <abc...@abcxyz.com> wrote:
>>
>> <snipped that list of PV's and a bit of ranting>
>>
>> >14) The failure to scramble and shoot down the Jets taken
>> >over by terrorists in the WTC attack, using F-16's
>> >(mistakenly identified by him as F-15's for whatever that
>> >means), offered 'crystal clear' evidence that such was
>> >"a case of either criminal neglicence, (sic) or treason."
>> >
>> >It just KEEPS GETTING BETTER.
>>
>> Indeed, it does.
>>
>> ROTFLMAO. Really.
>>
>> What is it belonging to "F16" which Desi claims was not scrambled to
>> intercept the said aircraft?
>>
>You're losing your grip again, dirt. Grab hold of that
>bottle and take another swig.
>
>PV
>
Now, if I were you, I would incorrectly identify this comment as being
one laced with hypocrisy, since you have contantly alleged that I have
never had a "grip" to lose.
I am not you, however, and therefore shall simply point out that you
are contradicting yourself.
My "grip" on the use of apostrophes, however, is nigh on impeccable.
Yours, sadly is not.
I bet you've got some lovely banana's, though.
w00f
William Robert
Re vera, potas bene.
William Robert
A Planet Visitor
> Le Sat, 02 Mar 2002 02:14:36 GMT, Mr Q. Z. Diablo
<dia...@prometheus.humsoc.utas.edu.au> a écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> > I've decided to stay more or less out of PV/Des flamefests just as I
> > have in the case of doggie/PV flamefests. They're entertaining to read
> > but walking in, no matter what your intentions, tends to get one caught
> > in a hideous crossfire.
>
> repost his 'list', most of which I didn't say, and of those I did say,
> they're taken out of context.
>
ROTFLMAO. Actually they're EXACT quotes. Funny how
desilu claims all his comments are 'taken out of context,' when
someone mentions the 'stupidity of the moment' that he has
demonstrated. What a pathetic whiner he is.
> Still, one must give the bitter old Catholic his moment in the limelight.
> Lord only knows that his days are numbered. I just hope for his sake,
> that there's no hell.
Bigot!!! A tried and true bigot. Perhaps you believe all
Catholics should be burned at the stake... or worse!!!
A Planet Visitor
"dirtdog" <dog.of.re...@w00f.w00f.w00f.cxm> wrote in message
> On Sat, 02 Mar 2002 04:43:54 GMT, "A Planet Visitor"
> <abc...@abcxyz.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"dirtdog" <dog.of.re...@w00f.w00f.w00f.cxm> wrote in message
> >news:j7308u0h6d25tqdtl...@4ax.com...
> >> On Fri, 01 Mar 2002 19:21:47 GMT, "A Planet Visitor"
> >> <abc...@abcxyz.com> wrote:
<snipped -- then you wonder why people think you're a
sanctimonious, pompous old hot-air-filled cunt>
>
> My "grip" on the use of apostrophes, however, is nigh on impeccable.
> Yours, sadly is not.
>
Too bad you have such trouble with "surprise" though.
>
> w00f
>
>
A Planet Visitor
"dirtdog" <dog.of.re...@w00f.w00f.w00f.cxm> wrote in message
> On Sat, 2 Mar 2002 02:36:09 -0000, "John Rennie"
> <j.re...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Mr Q. Z. Diablo" <dia...@prometheus.humsoc.utas.edu.au> wrote in message
> >news:diablo-38DB1D....@newsroom.utas.edu.au...
> >> In article <slrna7vhd4.d3t.p...@tortue.voute.net>,
> >> pasdespa...@noos.fr wrote:
> >>
> >> > Le Fri, 01 Mar 2002 12:44:45 GMT, Mr Q. Z. Diablo
> >> > <dia...@prometheus.humsoc.utas.edu.au> a écrit :
> >> >
> >> > { snip }
> >> >
> >> > > Ah, but I was taking the piss out of the _pair_ of you.
> >> >
> >> > You wouldn't dare ... :-)
> >>
> >> I damned well would.
> >>
> >> I've decided to stay more or less out of PV/Des flamefests just as I
> >> have in the case of doggie/PV flamefests. They're entertaining to read
> >> but walking in, no matter what your intentions, tends to get one caught
> >> in a hideous crossfire.
> >>
> >> Mr Q. Z. D.
> >
> >PV has the staying power - doggie's and especially Desmond's responses get
> >weaker and weaker. They should try to do better - humour is more effective
> >than abuse.
> >
>
> Shut up you pompous old fart.
ROTFLMAO... Looks like he put his finger DIRECTLY
on your problem, dirt. You no longer have the fire you
once had, and are simply a pathetic has-been... a
shadow of your former obscene self. It's sad to have
watched your decline, sport. That is, 'it's sad for others.'
I'm having a blast.
PV
>
> w00f
>
>
A Planet Visitor
> Le Sat, 02 Mar 2002 21:03:35 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@abcxyz.com> a
écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> >> They're not 'flamefests', they're Jedro using any excuse to post and
> >> repost his 'list', most of which I didn't say, and of those I did say,
> >> they're taken out of context.
>
> > ROTFLMAO. Actually they're EXACT quotes.
>
>
> Please provide the google reference for when I said that you were 'evil',
> because you are Catholic.
>
> { snip }
>
> > Bigot!!! A tried and true bigot. Perhaps you believe all
> > Catholics should be burned at the stake... or worse!!!
>
> that particularly savage of sects.
Too bad.. but that doesn't excuse BIGOTRY. And you should
know it doesn't.
> It's only when vicious little
> indoctrinated twats like you, start to spout what passes for wisdom, and
> yet what all can see is nothing short of prejudice and bigotry (strange
> how the word comes so easily to your own bigoted mouth), that I decide to
> respond.
>
> So again ... remind us of when I said that you were 'evil', because you
> are Catholic.
>
I don't have to, sport. All we need to do is look at THIS post,
to see it. Or do you see nothing 'evil' in vicious, little indoctrinated
twats? What makes you try and DENY the obvious? Good grief...
I see YOUR posts as 'evil.' You can at least be HONEST with
yourself, and see the bigotry YOU display. I find YOU 'evil'
not because you are a group of ANYTHING... religion, country,
race. I find you 'evil' because YOU are evil. Not that you are
evil because you happen to be in a particular group, which
is what you claim of the Catholic religion. THAT'S BIGOTRY,
Desmond... and you should know it quite well.
PV
> --
> Desmond Coughlan |BONEHEAD#1
William Robert
>
>little dirtdog wrote"
Me too, but at times I have guilt pangs, sort of like picking on the school-
yard weakling.
Perhaps little dirt dog needs to hire a ghost writer?
William Robert
>
dirtdog
<abc...@abcxyz.com> wrote:
>
>"Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@noos.fr> wrote in message
>news:slrna81uj2.f94.p...@tortue.voute.net...
>> Le Sat, 02 Mar 2002 02:14:36 GMT, Mr Q. Z. Diablo
><dia...@prometheus.humsoc.utas.edu.au> a écrit :
>>
<snipped>
>>
>> They're not 'flamefests', they're Jedro using any excuse to post and
>> repost his 'list', most of which I didn't say, and of those I did say,
>> they're taken out of context.
>>
>ROTFLMAO. Actually they're EXACT quotes.
No they're not! Desmond didn't use a greengrocer's apostrophe when he
said "F16s".
Peter Morris was right all along.
> Funny how
>desilu claims all his comments are 'taken out of context,' when
>someone mentions the 'stupidity of the moment' that he has
>demonstrated. What a pathetic whiner he is.
>
>> Still, one must give the bitter old Catholic his moment in the limelight.
>> Lord only knows that his days are numbered. I just hope for his sake,
>> that there's no hell.
>
>Bigot!!! A tried and true bigot. Perhaps you believe all
>Catholics should be burned at the stake... or worse!!!
Well, St George did, and you always sucked up to him, until he
*plonked* you!
Double standards, PV. Did I ever tell you you'd make a really good
politician?
w00f
dirtdog
Hey, PV.
The random capitalisation ratio is up to 8.69%
We all know that when it goes over 7%, it means you've pissed
yourself.
Time for some safety pants?
w00f
dirtdog
<abc...@abcxyz.com> wrote:
<snipped PV rubbing his own piece and telling himself he's great and
that he's got a friend>
>I'm having a blast.
Shame. I've already done mine in your wife's eye. I was hoping we
could "synchronise blasts" and blind the bitch properly.
w00f
dirtdog
<abc...@abcxyz.com> wrote:
<snipped>
>I don't have to, sport. All we need to do is look at THIS post,
>to see it. Or do you see nothing 'evil' in vicious, little indoctrinated
>twats?
Not everyone is like you, PV.
Not everyone has such a high opinion of the value of their opinions
that they seek to characterise them as fact by using insidious
propaganda-speak such as the uttely valueless term, "evil".
Thus, even if Desmond does consider you a viscious little
indoctrinated twat, that does not mean he will claim you are "evil".
Again, what fails you is an ability to properly distinguish words
whose contextural similarity leads you to the misplaced conclusion
that they are interchangeable. "viscious" does not mean "evil", and
nor does "indoctrinated" or "twat". Just like a cetain "D" word
doesn't mean a certain "P" word.
Silly billy.
w00f
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
<dog.of.re...@w00f.w00f.w00f.cxm> wrote:
> I has found that adopting the position of res ipsa locquitur is by far
> the least painful approach once I have had my say (which, of course,
> is always correct).
...As opposed to your spelling of "loquitur."
*bounce bounce bounce*
dirtdog
<dia...@prometheus.humsoc.utas.edu.au> wrote:
>In article <rm928u0k231biv417...@4ax.com>, dirtdog
><dog.of.re...@w00f.w00f.w00f.cxm> wrote:
>
>> I has found that adopting the position of res ipsa locquitur is by far
>> the least painful approach once I have had my say (which, of course,
>> is always correct).
>
>...As opposed to your spelling of "loquitur."
>
GOD, ARE YOU INSANE?
I did it on PURPOSE, as you can PLAINLY see to try and CATCH him out
given how MUCH he claims TO know LATIN.
However, I have now PROVED that he doesn't know any MORE LATIN than
his SCHOOLBOY German or FRENCH, given that he DIDN'T pick up on IT in
HIS reply to my POST.
[clipped]
DD
A Planet Visitor
"dirtdog" <dog.of.re...@w00f.w00f.w00f.cxm> wrote in message
Let me make this clear. Perhaps for the first, but hopefully for the
last time. SG was a bigot... SG was a racist.... SG was a jingoist..
But, God damn it, there was just something lovable about that
ol' rascal. I could not FORGIVE him for being those things... but
I tried to move on and address those point where he had not
demonstrated those parts of his character. Now listen very
carefully, because I'm about to tell you something very profound.
"I don't find that lovable ol' rascal quality about you." Not even
one tiny, minute little particle. Don't take it personally (although
it is). I see others here that I cannot move beyond the faults I
see in them as well. With yet others, I can do so more easily.
I could draw on, and examine those points that SG made, which
laid beyond the faults I saw in him, and even laugh (albeit rather
a little uncomfortable in doing so) at some of the foibles I saw in him.
As hard as I try, I cannot raise myself to see you in the same light.
I would hazard a guess that this is because I see your character
as much more flawed then his, in spite of his faults that I saw.
And perhaps it goes back to our fundamental clash on first
meeting. It was obviously too deep to ever set aside, for me at
least. And you must admit, you obviously have some deep-seated
emotional problems, regardless of any presumed intelligence.
I don't say this in condescension, but in how I perceive you.
It's just that your flaws seems to go to your VERY CORE,
rather than the same faults in SG which seemed to be mocking
the idea, rather than insulting the heart of the idea. I have to say
that when SG offered similar arguments to yours, I seemed to
feel he was asking one to THINK, while I feel you reject that concept
totally, holding a philosophy that thinking is alien to our species.
Believing only insult survives. A rather jaded, totally pessimistic
and sickening outlook to me. When SG argued these points
you could FEEL that he wanted to push the envelope. I see you
only wanting to spit on it, with an innate HATRED that runs more
deep than one could EVER imagine existed with SG. Rest his
soul, probably in Afghanistan right now, having finished his 3
week accelerated orientation course at the CIA, and immediately
shipped out as cannon-fodder.
> w00f
>
>
dirtdog
<abc...@abcxyz.com> wrote:
<psychobabble aimed to distort patent double standards snipped>
I wasn't asking you to compare St George to me, was I?
Read the post again.
That's right. I was comparing your reaction remarks made by _Desmond_
to far more "offensive" remarks made by St George.
Therefore your nonsense rant failed to either address the point _or_
cause any offence to myself, since I already know that you don't like
me, but sucked up to St George. You've trotted that speech out more
times than I care to remember.
What a waste of time that was for you....
w00f
A Planet Visitor
"dirtdog" <dog.of.re...@w00f.w00f.w00f.cxm> wrote in message
Uncreative blatancy consorting unnaturally with Oedipus
undertones while apparently harmonica playing and one-legged
hopping at the same time. Obviously this man possesses
a 'classical education.'
PV
> w00f
>
>
>
A Planet Visitor
"dirtdog" <dog.of.re...@w00f.w00f.w00f.cxm> wrote in message
to put down desilu. You're just not that IMPORTANT to me, dirt.
And you need to stop thinking you are, because it's truly beginning
to look like you're stalking me. And given your mental instability
one never knows where that might lead. You just have to stop
flattering yourself, believing I CARE what you post... because I
TRULY don't.
PV
> DD
>
>
A Planet Visitor
"dirtdog" <dog.of.re...@w00f.w00f.w00f.cxm> wrote in message
YOU. Since I've already proved you and desilu are 'joined at the
hip.' So, here's for desilu --
Let me make this clear. Perhaps for the first, but hopefully for the
last time. SG was a bigot... SG was a racist.... SG was a jingoist..
>But, God damn it, there was just something lovable about that
ol' rascal. I could not FORGIVE him for being those things... but
I tried to move on and address those point where he had not
demonstrated those parts of his character. Now listen very
carefully, because I'm about to tell you something very profound.
"I don't find that lovable ol' rascal quality about desilu." Not even
one tiny, minute little particle. He shouldn't take it personally (although
it is). I see others here that I cannot move beyond the faults I
see in them as well. With yet others, I can do so more easily.
I could draw on, and examine those points that SG made, which
laid beyond the faults I saw in him, and even laugh (albeit rather
a little uncomfortable in doing so) at some of the foibles I saw in him.
As hard as I try, I cannot raise myself to see desilu in the same light.
I would hazard a guess that this is because I see desilu's character
as much more flawed then SG's, in spite of SG's faults that I saw.
And perhaps it goes back to our fundamental clash on first
meeting. It was obviously too deep to ever set aside, for me at
least. And you must admit, desilu obviously have some deep-seated
emotional problems, regardless of any presumed intelligence.
I don't say this in condescension, but in how I perceive him.
It's just that his flaws seems to go to his VERY CORE,
rather than the same faults in SG which seemed to be mocking
the idea, rather than insulting the heart of the idea. I have to say
that when SG offered similar arguments to desilu's, I seemed to
feel he was asking one to THINK, while I feel desilu rejects that concept
totally, holding a philosophy that thinking is alien to our species.
Believing only insult survives. A rather jaded, totally pessimistic
and sickening outlook to me. When SG argued these points
you could FEEL that he wanted to push the envelope. I see desilu
only wanting to spit on it, with an innate HATRED that runs more
deep than one could EVER imagine existed with SG. Rest his
soul, probably in Afghanistan right now, having finished his 3
week accelerated orientation course at the CIA, and immediately
shipped out as cannon-fodder.
Can you SEE how just a slight adjustment of names, changed
not one word of the meaning. You MUST realize how similar
your personas have become here. I always knew you were
both twits, but the past few days have been the 'twilight zone.'
The similiarities weird and might I say, almost frightening.
Almost as if one of you has went on vacation, and told the
other to 'take over my handle until I get back,' in some
back-channel communication. - probably part of the 'gang.'
(YOU know who you are).
PV
>
> w00f
>
>
Exador
Try turning up the stereo PV, it might help drown out those voices...
Cheers,
Craig
dirtdog
<abc...@abcxyz.com> wrote:
<snipped>
>>
>If I corrected every one of your spelling errors, I'd have no time left
>to put down desilu. You're just not that IMPORTANT to me, dirt.
>And you need to stop thinking you are, because it's truly beginning
>to look like you're stalking me. And given your mental instability
>one never knows where that might lead. You just have to stop
>flattering yourself, believing I CARE what you post... because I
>TRULY don't.
>
Nah nah nah nah.
"I don't care about what you think so there!"
You're beginning to sound like a beaten man, PV.
w00f
A Planet Visitor
"dirtdog" <dog.of.re...@w00f.w00f.w00f.cxm> wrote in message
Presumable forming some sort of argument. And THEN
says that I'M looking like a beaten man. Actually, dirt,
nah nah nah nah, isn't really the comment of someone
who can call himself a 'winner.' I can picture you sticking
your tongue out as you say it. Walk to the mirror, look
at your image, and repeat four times -- 'I'm a loser --
I'm a loser -- I'm a loser -- I'm a loser.' Now, THAT
beats the hell out of nah nah nah nah...
PV
> w00f
>
>
dirtdog
<abc...@abcxyz.com> wrote:
I appeal to anyone who is still reading here to offer me an unbiased
opinion.
Do you think that Silly PV really gets this confused, or is he just
putting it on?
w00f
Earl Evleth
Dans l'article <oh488ustnqoge2i0u...@4ax.com>, dirtdog
<dog.of.re...@w00f.w00f.w00f.cxm> a écrit :
> Do you think that Silly PV really gets this confused, or is he just
> putting it on?
I would read his stuff if he had something interesting to say.
I would like it if he`d post some item and comment on it, but
he is reactive, lacks originality. The Florida sun, I suppose,
it is baked out.
Earl
A Planet Visitor
"Earl Evleth" <dev...@noos.fr> wrote in message
news:a62ren$ju6$1...@neon.noos.net...
Let's start it off here, Earl... see
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/03/opinion/03FRIE.html
And no wishy-washy relating to Europe. What are your
views. Talk about the ISSUES, and not your agenda.
PV
>
> Earl
>
>