To all the people I referred to Freeport Press.
Mike and Carole Curtis
Freeport Press flyer from us at a convention.
Do NOT send your comics there for printing. They have a new owner who has
high religious standards and they will no longer print furry material. The
salesman called me with the news and asked me not to call the owner. Of
course I did, as when I ran a theater, if someone needed to leave I always
told them myself. This man preferred not have to deal with dissatisfied
customers. They lost 25 comics planned for printing there from us alone
next year and I made sure to tell him so.
We do not recommend Freeport Press for any printing work.
Thanks
Mike
Skytech
>
> Do NOT send your comics there for printing. They have a new owner who has
> high religious standards and they will no longer print furry material.
> This man preferred not have to deal with dissatisfied
> customers. They lost 25 comics planned for printing there from us alone
> next year and I made sure to tell him so.
>
I wonder what meets this one's 'high moral standards'? It would be
interesting to learn what the loss of 25 comics do!
--
La kashigada vulpo
Skytech
^^
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toongirl
Mike and Carole Curtis wrote:
> Primarily Jim Groat, Matt Henry, Shane Fisher and anyone who picked up a
> Freeport Press flyer from us at a convention.
>
> Do NOT send your comics there for printing. They have a new owner who has
> high religious standards and they will no longer print furry material. The
> salesman called me with the news and asked me not to call the owner. Of
> course I did, as when I ran a theater, if someone needed to leave I always
> told them myself. This man preferred not have to deal with dissatisfied
> customers. They lost 25 comics planned for printing there from us alone
> next year and I made sure to tell him so.
Um, forgive me for asking, but did they give any reason why they stopped
printing furry material?
--Toongirl
Matthew Milam
<shan...@cyberback.com> wrote:
>Primarily Jim Groat, Matt Henry, Shane Fisher and anyone who picked up a
>Freeport Press flyer from us at a convention.
>
>Do NOT send your comics there for printing. They have a new owner who has
>high religious standards and they will no longer print furry material.
I realize most of you are against the religous groups to some extent,
but understand that this is more of a people issues, and that taking
out religon to save furry doesn't exactly help....
Now, my .02, for what their worth.
My understanding, at least from being preached to from everyone except
god, is that you CANNOT impose your beliefs on people, and saying
that, I can't see why he would do such a thing. But then I question
the truth he holds so dear, that it was for religous reasons.
Prehaps he wasn't making enough money, and was getting too much hate
mail.
Matthew Milam
fil...@interaccess.com
matmi...@yahoo.com
The
>salesman called me with the news and asked me not to call the owner. Of
>course I did, as when I ran a theater, if someone needed to leave I always
>told them myself. This man preferred not have to deal with dissatisfied
>customers. They lost 25 comics planned for printing there from us alone
>next year and I made sure to tell him so.
>
Mike and Carole Curtis
toongirl wrote in message <75f82h$f...@newsops.execpc.com>...
>
>
>Mike and Carole Curtis wrote:
>
>> Primarily Jim Groat, Matt Henry, Shane Fisher and anyone who picked up a
>> Freeport Press flyer from us at a convention.
>>
>> Do NOT send your comics there for printing. They have a new owner who
has
>> high religious standards and they will no longer print furry material.
>> salesman called me with the news and asked me not to call the owner. Of
>> course I did, as when I ran a theater, if someone needed to leave I
always
>> told them myself. This man preferred not have to deal with dissatisfied
>> customers. They lost 25 comics planned for printing there from us alone
>> next year and I made sure to tell him so.
>
>printing furry material?
>
>
>--Toongirl
>
The new boss said he thought the new issue of SHANDA which got there
Thursday went over the line.
Now, I've done issues that skirted the line before.
HOWEVER.
This issue he refers to is Christina "Smudge" Hanson's FIRST issue of
SHANDA. It's not public knowledge, but she has asked not to do nudity in
her issues of SHANDA. That requires an adjustment, but not much of one.
Issue 23 has no nudity in it EXCEPT for Terri's new babie's butt. Things
are DISCUSSED, such as Tinka's family being nudists, and there is a nursing
scene, with no nipple being shown.
I actually believe the reason he objected (SPOILER WARNING) is the final
scene. Rainbow takes Terri's placenta and buries it outside her window.
Then Richard plants a tree there. She is dressed ceremonially and offers a
prayer to the earth mother to "as this nourished the child,let it nourish
the tree so that they may grow up together, strong and proud."
There is also a backup about Sissy seeing a therapist, and they discuss the
fight she had with her father in #20.
The salesman said that the new owner was a very religious man with deep
personal beliefs. I have deep personal beliefs too. And here I am going on
statement. (WARNING! RELIGION ABOUT TO BE DISCUSSED)
I have never mentioned my religion in SHANDA, as
(1) It's really nobody else's business.
(2) SHANDA is a story about a female theater manager, not a book about
Mike's religion
(3) I'm not one to shove my beliefs on anyone else.
But
I am a practicing Catholic. I attended a Baptist church for most of my
life, and when the real events in SHANDA 2 took place, I first attended a
Catholic church.
However, I do not believe that sins canonly be absolved by a priest.
Therefore I do not take communion or confession. I do say my rosary each
day, along with other prayers. I also have a statue of St, Micheal in my
home, and light candles occasionally.
In any case, let's leave using comics to push religion to Jack Chick. In
SHANDA Richard and Pandora are Catholic because most are in that part of
Louisiana.
Speedo and Tinka are Jewish. The Poodles are Baptists, Shanda is Lutheran,
etc. If I don't practice it, I try to research it. I made Terri Catholic
because of the conflict of her church's tenets and her homosexuality. It
makes for a good story.
I have no objection to someone being religious. In fact, there's probably
more religion in SHANDA than in most furry comics. MOST of the cast attend
one church or place of worship or another.
At the same time, I have many friends in our field and outside. Ask any of
them if I have tried to impose my beliefs on them. Or even mentioned them.
In this case I was upset because:
(1) We have done a LOT of business at Freeport, pay our bills regularly, and
had good relationships with many of the people there, especially Rex our
sales rep and Missy, who oversaw our printing. We also boosted Freeport at
furry cons, giving out flyers with their rates to prospective comic
creators. The last time was a conversation with Shane Fisher, who is
organizing a proposal by some foreign creators.
(2) When I had to eject a customer from my theaters in the past, I never
sent someone else to do it. It was my decision, therefore my job. To do
less would have lessened me.
So my recommendation for furry creators to avoid Freeport comes from the
SHANDA statement. If SHANDA has no nudity or violence and they won't print
it, what would Freeport think of MOST of the other furry comics?
Perhaps Lance Rund should send them a copy of ASSOCIATED STUDENT BODIES. Or
Mu, a copy of SKUNK. Or GENUS. How about MORNING GLORY, since the new
President has such strong beliefs?
In any case, I don't object to other's beliefs. But I don't like other's
imposing their belief's on me.
We will have no trouble finding another printer. I have Morgan's number and
will call them Monday. This will delay out comics by about a week, but
they're JANUARY comics after all. I just like to have them out at the first
of the month. It DOES add a lot of extra work to mine and Carole schedules
at Christmas though. We planned to print 10 comics at Freeport in March for
April. And we just got back from my doctor's in Memphis and surgery has
been scheduled to remove my eye after Further Confusion.
But this is my last on Freeport. I have been playing SANTA CLAUS since I
was 19 (26 years!) and I lost my temper exactly three times regarding that
part of my life.
(1) When an associate told me Santa was satanic
(2) When one of "Santa's helpers" wrenched a child my the arm that had
broke line to say hello. This lady was my boss, and I called the main
office about it.
(3) When we lived in Beaumont TX. I was Santa at a mall, and the Klan was
demonstrating in nearby Port Arthur. They set up a "Klana Klaus" booth.
Ever seen cartoons where Santa gets violent? It almost happened then. I
considered renting space across from them out of my pocket and setting up to
see kids.
Sorry, got off the subject. But I got mad then because someone perverted
what was not intended to cause harm. Same here. I don't think anyone has
ever gone out and killed a theater manager because they read SHANDA.
But my favorite letter I ever received on SHANDA was from a person who.
after reading "Do You Remember?" featuring Terri, came out to their parents
and said the story gave them the courage to do so.
They accepted it, and all share in family activities.
That letter makes all the struggle and toil worthwhile.
And with that I bid you all a Merry Christmas!
Mike Curtis
Skytech
>
> And with that I bid you all a Merry Christmas!
>
And a good Season to you and everyone here!
Mike, you once again prove there can be two sides to every issue. It's
too bad one side can often embody the persona of an evil twin! The
Skippys of the world can be the more aggressive and assertive too and
history shows they quite often get their way. Not always but too often.
It would be interesting to hear Freeport's (a misnomer now) owner's veiw
if a press banned religious material because the owner was atheist and
felt it would violate it's ethical and moral standards.
GothTiger
jesjaeg...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> <shan...@cyberback.com> wrote:
>
> Primarily Jim Groat, Matt Henry, Shane Fisher and anyone who picked up a......
>
> I don't know Shane Fisher, but as for the other two, let them send their
> stuff anyway. Maybe we will be fortunate enough not to have to look at it
> anymore.
hey bud, I don't see YOU doing any better, so shut up.
>
jesjaeg...@my-dejanews.com
Primarily Jim Groat, Matt Henry, Shane Fisher and anyone who picked up a......
I don't know Shane Fisher, but as for the other two, let them send their
stuff anyway. Maybe we will be fortunate enough not to have to look at it
anymore.
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<jesjaeg...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> <shan...@cyberback.com> wrote:
>Primarily Jim Groat, Matt Henry, Shane Fisher and anyone who picked up a......
>
>I don't know Shane Fisher, but as for the other two, let them send their
>stuff anyway. Maybe we will be fortunate enough not to have to look at it
>anymore.
Yawn,
Is it just me, or have the trolls gotten considerably more mindless of late?
I'm convinced Fossey is a bot, though it's not even up to the level of Eliza,
and thats 30 years old or so.
I mean, at least Archmedes Plutonium or Bob Allisat put a bit of effort into
it.
Kyle L. Webb Dept. of Physics + Astronomy
kw...@astro.phys.unm.edu University of New Mexico
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Dr. Cat
: Yawn,
: Is it just me, or have the trolls gotten considerably more mindless of late?
I'd rather have mindless ones than good ones, wouldn't you? More people
ignore the mindless ones, whereas more people stop and argue with the
more talented ones. :X)
: <Dr. Cat> Actually the main reason for posting this is a test, as 7 posts, and
: several emails vanished in the past few days. Happy Howlidays to all!</Dr. Cat>
Actually I was just happily chatting with my fellow weirdos on
alt.lifestyle.banana, when you mentioned my name here on your
furry fandom newsgroup so I came here to flame and troll you all!
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Donald E. Sanders
madba...@aol.com says...
egads, I hate to be moody durning a holiday, but what the heck.
> >Primarily Jim Groat, Matt Henry, Shane Fisher and anyone who picked up
> >a......
> >
> >I don't know Shane Fisher, but as for the other two, let them send their
> >stuff anyway. Maybe we will be fortunate enough not to have to look at it
> >anymore.
>
>
> My, my, my, someone's a little bitter, aren't we? There seems to be some
> mighty motivation to get the courage to fire up the old, practically anonymous,
> dejanews email account, and start taking pot shots.
>
> So, what sort of usenet furry ego-sniper are we?
>
> 1) Talentless git whose been turned down by every press, and feels his ears
> burn when others get published?
>
> 2) Talented git who is beginning to learn that there's a large enough pool of
> talent in the fandom, so as to no longer warrent the "superstar" treatment.
> Thus, when someone else's name is mentioned in the newsgroup, your ears burn
> again, since they're getting attention (and you're not)?
>
> 3) Clueless git, unable (still living in parents' basement and can't pay for)
> or incapable (when Mom let him take her Delta 88 out, it came back wrecked) to
> posess a large, red sportscar or SUV, trying desperately to compensate for an
> unusually small penis by making snipes from behind an anonymous, free email
> account?
*** The rest snipped, just wanted this part to show you all something.
***
> Mostly, it comes down to having money for startup costs (besides the talent to
> either write or draw). If you've got what it takes, get out there and produce
> something. Until then (ie: either you get some money, learn to write better
> than a bad Trek slash fiction scribe, or can do more than chicken scratched
> scribbles of the same androgynous furry femme you've been whooping off to for
> the last 8 years), you're really in no position to pass judgement on anyone out
> in the small press trenches.
>
> Matt Henry
> Mad Badger Studios
> Writer, Milikardo Knights (down, but far from out)
Yep, listen to this guy, he should know! It would be a far better place
if we get more advice like this from the pros :| It makes me want to
cast off my amateur status and try and break into the bigtime. Oh I can
feel the heartbreak now, hehe.
--
Don Sanders
Dsan Tsan on #furry of Yiffnet
Artist at Roll Yer Own Graphics
http://www.dreamscape.com/dsand101/dsan.htm
(my furry page) Email dsan...@future.dreamscape.com
Madbadger2
>a......
>
>I don't know Shane Fisher, but as for the other two, let them send their
>stuff anyway. Maybe we will be fortunate enough not to have to look at it
>anymore.
My, my, my, someone's a little bitter, aren't we? There seems to be some
mighty motivation to get the courage to fire up the old, practically anonymous,
dejanews email account, and start taking pot shots.
So, what sort of usenet furry ego-sniper are we?
1) Talentless git whose been turned down by every press, and feels his ears
burn when others get published?
2) Talented git who is beginning to learn that there's a large enough pool of
talent in the fandom, so as to no longer warrent the "superstar" treatment.
Thus, when someone else's name is mentioned in the newsgroup, your ears burn
again, since they're getting attention (and you're not)?
3) Clueless git, unable (still living in parents' basement and can't pay for)
or incapable (when Mom let him take her Delta 88 out, it came back wrecked) to
posess a large, red sportscar or SUV, trying desperately to compensate for an
unusually small penis by making snipes from behind an anonymous, free email
account?
I'll tell you, Jes, self publishing's not that hard to undertake. Find an art
team, a printer, a distributor, and you're good to go.
Mostly, it comes down to having money for startup costs (besides the talent to
either write or draw). If you've got what it takes, get out there and produce
something. Until then (ie: either you get some money, learn to write better
than a bad Trek slash fiction scribe, or can do more than chicken scratched
scribbles of the same androgynous furry femme you've been whooping off to for
the last 8 years), you're really in no position to pass judgement on anyone out
in the small press trenches.
Ta ta, Jes. Hope that shrivelled penis feels bigger one day.