Cozumel's Living Underwater dive shop went above and beyond this week
Ron Lee
seeing the Eagle rays. My dive gear never made it to the luggage
carousel in Cancun. Arriving at my Coz hotel (Hacienda San Miguel)
just after 10 PM I was at the mercy of whatever I could do for dive
gear at the 8 AM pickup at PLG.
LU shows up early and we try to rent gear from the PLG dive shop. No
Joy. Politics or other such nonsense.
Then over to Cozumel Equalizers and Darwin rented the items I needed
(Mucho thanks Darwin).
The following day I used LU equipment and some belonging to the DM
(Jeremy). Of course that day I made my first eagle ray dive which was
among the best ever in Coz. Actually the best dive was the following
day at the same place where we saw nine eagle rays in formation.
There were two things that I won't discuss but leave it at this....LU
did not have to do what they did (and these were very customer
friendly actions). LU has in the past been VERY accommodating but
these actions were something I would never expect...and do not expect
in the future...but were mucho appreciated.
Now for the boat. Their main boat is having the superstructure
replaced with one that makes the backroll easier for the aft diver.
Looks like it should be done within a week or so. The boat I used was
one of the rented boats (Gaviota) and it was fine.
Bottom line: Living Underwater (www.living-underwater.com) went above
and beyond what I would expect of a dive shop. I think that this was
my third trip with LU and it will not be the last.
Ron Lee
Rudy Benner
endorsement as spam.
"Ron Lee" <ronlee...@pcisys.net> wrote in message
news:3e347f22...@news.pcisys.net...
Rich Lockyer
On Mon, 27 Jan 2003 00:37:44 GMT, ronlee...@pcisys.net (Ron Lee)
wrote:
--- Rich
http://richlockyer.tripod.com/
Ron Lee
>So who was the airline and when did you finally get your gear?
This is a bit convoluted.
The charter company that I dealt with (bougth the ticket) is Suntrips.
The reported airline is Ryan. In the past I have flown on Ryan
aircraft and the service has been excellent.
However this trip apparently someone (Ryan or Suntrips) hired
TranMeridian Airline to act as a Ryan flight.
As of today (26 Jan) I still do not have my gear. Hopefully someone
from TransMeridian/Ryan/Suntrips (who is in charge?) will call me or
I will continue making calls.
After Wednesday past I gave up since the best answer I could get is
that the luggage might show up in days, weeks or never.
Ron Lee
Rich Lockyer
wrote:
>The reported airline is Ryan. In the past I have flown on Ryan
>aircraft and the service has been excellent.
>
>However this trip apparently someone (Ryan or Suntrips) hired
>TranMeridian Airline to act as a Ryan flight.
>
>As of today (26 Jan) I still do not have my gear. Hopefully someone
>from TransMeridian/Ryan/Suntrips (who is in charge?) will call me or
>I will continue making calls.
>
>After Wednesday past I gave up since the best answer I could get is
>that the luggage might show up in days, weeks or never.
Wonderful. :(
--- Rich
http://richlockyer.tripod.com/
Jack Farmer
GUE/DIR OR MHK were NOT mentioned ONCE.
Reef Fish
Ron, you could have just replaced "Aldora" in all your old posts by
"LU", and almost everything would have applied: Ron Lee spams,
except this time for a shop INFERIOR to the one he used to spam for.
Same DM, same big tank, catered to oldie (Ron) and newbie airhogs.
Same lack of bang for the buck ... except the big tank to bang on.
Here are REASONS for the paragraph above, with FACTS that slipped by
Ron Lee (even though they were PROVIDED in Ron Lee's post!!) just
like all the rest of the facts about Cozumel that escaped Ron.
Here are the top THREE reasons given by the LU webpage, given by Ron:
*> Living Underwater Advantages
*>
*>1. All dives are computer dives
Why is that an "advantage"? My diving friends in Coz and I have been
doing computer dives in Cozumel for YEARS.
*> 2. No one offers bigger tanks
Why should anyone NEED a bigger tank than an AL80 for doing no deco
dives in Cozumel?
*> 3. No one offers more bottom time
Wanna bet? I'll dive with an AL80 and Ron Lee dives with LU's
(or Aldora's) big tank. I bet I get more bottom time.
So far, LU has absolutely NOTHING to offer, over and above any
of a dozen or two of the good dive shops in Cozumel can, and do, offer.
> Arriving at my Coz hotel (Hacienda San Miguel)
> just after 10 PM I was at the mercy of whatever I could do for dive
> gear at the 8 AM pickup at PLG.
>
> LU shows up early and we try to rent gear from the PLG dive shop. No
> Joy. Politics or other such nonsense.
The REAL nonsense is why LU couldn't come up with rental dive gears
for YOU. The shops I dive with (even Aldora) would have those gears
ready for you, from their own shops or from other shops with which
they work with, within minutes of knowing you needed the gears?
> Then over to Cozumel Equalizers and Darwin rented the items I needed
> (Mucho thanks Darwin).
That speaks for diving with Darwin's Equalizer shop! His shop is
small and cater to individulized diving too, EXCEPT he doesn't cater
to airhogs the likes of Ron who sucks a tank of AL80 dry on descent
to a Punta Sur dive.
> The following day I used LU equipment and some belonging to the DM
> (Jeremy).
So, LU lies on the webpage too! It said,
*> All diving operations are led by Oracio Martinez.
This is far from the first time I caught THIS lie, reported by OTHER
ex-Aldora fans who flocked to LU. :-) Same reason Memo couldn't
dive with divers on four different boats at the same time.
So, Memo left Aldora and set up his own shop. :-)
Oracio probably did the same. Oracio didn't even dive with arse-
kisser Ron! See below what LU DIDN'T have, as reported (but not
observed) by Ron.
> There were two things that I won't discuss but leave it at this....LU
> did not have to do what they did (and these were very customer
> friendly actions).
Of course they didn't. Is this Ron Lee's subtle way of bragging
about special treatments he got for being an arse-kisser? Why don't
you just explain why Oracio says on the webpage that he leads all
dive operations and then you ended up with DM Jeremy?
> Now for the boat. Their main boat is having the superstructure
> replaced with one that makes the backroll easier for the aft diver.
Whoopie. Translation: LU is still fixing its obsolete old boats so
that its divers can make the backroll as easily as other divers have
been doing on OTHER boats in Cozumel for years. Did I get THAT right?
> Looks like it should be done within a week or so. The boat I used was
> one of the rented boats (Gaviota) and it was fine.
So, LU has a vapor-ware boat. It has to rent a boat from some other
shop. Rent Ron's dive gears from another shop. Rent a DM from
another shop to dive with Ron.
Hey, did they rent the BIG TANKS from Aldora too? It was going out
of business, ya know? They must have had plenty of those big tanks
for sale, CHEAP.
> Bottom line: Living Underwater (www.living-underwater.com) went
> above and beyond what I would expect of a dive shop.
Given what they did to YOU, I sure hate to see how they treat the
"regular customers" and not have gone "above and beyond".
> I think that this was
> my third trip with LU and it will not be the last.
>
> Ron Lee
Of course not. That's what you said about Aldora before it went to
the dogs and sold nearly all its boats and looking for a buyer, the
last I heard.
Let me give you and other airhogs a tip about Cozumel diving. You'll
find MANY dive operations, far superior FOR THE MONEY, if you just
learn how to DIVE (improve on dive technique and air consumption rate)
and not have to depend on the one of two shops that pitches to the
diving-clueless on:
*> 2. No one offers bigger tanks
BTW, that statement is FALSE too! I get you Rolando's techie shop
can offer bigger tanks to anyone who asks and pays extra for them.
Ron Lee's posts about Cozumel operators are deja vu all over again. :-)
-- Bob.
Ron Lee
talk. Although one thing seems to have changed. Unless I missed it,
he did not call me an idiot 30 times in one post.
Bob, you might finally be growing up.
As far as air consumption, that yours is better than mine is
irrelevant. The vast majority of divers will get much longer dives on
a 120 cu ft tank than on an AL 80. Fact that you cannot dispute.
So even if you can do a 90 minutes dive to 200+ feet on a double
manifolded Spare Air......good on you. You are atypical.
As far as Aldora going out of business, save your rumors. Report
facts or keep quiet.
Now go back to whatever you are doing now and save your jihad vendetta
against me (because I did not introduce the two women with me to you).
.
Ron Lee
Reef Fish
> I should have counted on my buddy Bob to resort to his typical trash
> talk. Although one thing seems to have changed. Unless I missed it,
> he did not call me an idiot 30 times in one post.
I've NEVER called you an IDIOT 30 times in any post, because your posts
usually consisted of only a few IDIOTIC statements, such as the present
one. To wit:
>
> Bob, you might finally be growing up.
You IDIOT! But you will never grow up.
>
> As far as air consumption, that yours is better than mine is
> irrelevant. The vast majority of divers will get much longer dives on
> a 120 cu ft tank than on an AL 80. Fact that you cannot dispute.
What a profound statement, if you meant 120 cu ft contains more air
than in an AL80. 40 more cu ft, you IDIOT!
What do mean a "vast majority"? You IDIOT.
>
> So even if you can do a 90 minutes dive to 200+ feet on a double
> manifolded Spare Air......good on you. You are atypical.
IDIOTIC babble, in response to a REASONED post (included below).
>
> As far as Aldora going out of business, save your rumors. Report
> facts or keep quiet.
Why don't you state the FACT then? Aldora sold some boats. Aldora
was up FOR SALE. That was the "original Aldora" that Aldora IDIOT Ron
Lee spammed about. You mean Aldora is "in business" because it
couldn't find a buyer, or it now has a new owner? After years of
spamming for Aldora, what made you quit and started spamming for LU
and kissing Oracio's arse now?
>
> Now go back to whatever you are doing now and save your jihad vendetta
> against me (because I did not introduce the two women with me to you).
> .
> Ron Lee
I just knew Ron Lee cannot make a post without using his patented
"jihad". That's why you are an IDIOT, Ron. You failed to address ANY
of the POINTS I made in my post. You have NOTHING to rebutt those
points, so you resort to your usual "jihad" babble.
As for the "two women" incident, Sheeesh, Ron. You flatter yourself.
Ron was walking down the street with two of the ugliest broads one
can ever see in Cozumel. He recognized me and stopped to introduce
HIMSELF, while pushing those two broads away (probably not sure if
I'll call him an "Aldora IDIOT", I think. :-))).
Well Ron, I called you an IDIOT on every suitable place in your post.
How many times was that? At least 30? That's another reason you
are an IDIOT. You can't count.
To paraphrase Pat, whose sig reads "I call you a friend because you
are my friend", I have documented above why I call you an IDIOT, Ron,
because you ARE an IDIOT. Get it?
The next time you post something like the one I responded to below,
and overlooked all the BAD points about LU which I documented, based
on what YOU said, I am going to start calling you a "LU IDIOT".
There's nothing jihad about it. :-))))
-- Bob.
Jason O'Rourke
>> As far as air consumption, that yours is better than mine is
>> irrelevant. The vast majority of divers will get much longer dives on
>> a 120 cu ft tank than on an AL 80. Fact that you cannot dispute.
>
>What a profound statement, if you meant 120 cu ft contains more air
>than in an AL80. 40 more cu ft, you IDIOT!
A seasoned (and LOUD) diver such as yourself should know that most
AL80s hold 77.4ft, so the difference would be 42.6, assuming a full
fill (perhaps a bad assumption with Coz operators - Equalizers gave
me pretty low fills).
Ron - you should be jealous. I've been upgraded from idiot to
hardened criminal, somehow.
--
Jason O'Rourke www.jor.com
MN.Manatee
bicker like this all the time? IMHO everyone needs to consider every
post here to be an individual's Humble Opinion and let it go at that.
"Board Rage" is like "Road Rage" - a big waste of everyone's time. It
doesn't reflect well on either of you.
Jason O'Rourke
>This is the first time I checked out the Google boards. Do you 2
>bicker like this all the time? IMHO everyone needs to consider every
>post here to be an individual's Humble Opinion and let it go at that.
"Google boards."
Newbies.
David Nedved
> "Google boards."
>
> Newbies.
Dammit! All along I've been thinking they were AOL boards!
Alan Street
Nedved <dne...@nuvox.net> wrote:
No, no. That would be "discussion areas."
Ron Lee
Oh Bob, you do still love me. I had thought I had lost favor with you
when you did not resort to your usual childish name-calling ways. I
will sleep much better tonight.
Hugs big boy.
As far as calling the women who were with me ugly, then you have a
perverted sense of beauty. That or your sense of beauty is based upon
more masculine features.
Ron Lee
Ron Lee
Don't you dive in the Monterey ort other CA coastal area? If I recall
correctly, you have a BMW as well.
I made several dive at Monastery Beach and related site several years
ago with one of the women that Bob thinks is ugly. Of course she is
not only very attractive but a fine dive buddy as well.
Of course she uses less air than I do but so what :)
Ron Lee
Reef Fish
Re: Bob Ling Again resorts to Name calling (Was: anotherr topic)
The posts in question (below) speak for themselves.
Reef Fish
> Reef Fish <Large_Nass...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> As far as air consumption, that yours is better than mine is
> >> irrelevant. The vast majority of divers will get much longer dives on
> >> a 120 cu ft tank than on an AL 80. Fact that you cannot dispute.
> >
> >What a profound statement, if you meant 120 cu ft contains more air
> >than in an AL80. 40 more cu ft, you IDIOT!
>
> A seasoned (and LOUD) diver such as yourself should know that most
> AL80s hold 77.4ft, so the difference would be 42.6, assuming a full
> fill (perhaps a bad assumption with Coz operators - Equalizers gave
> me pretty low fills).
It doesn't take a diver or reader with much skill in anything to know
that Jason O'Rourke is a nitpicking pedant.
I won't bother to correct his ERRORS (as a pedant) of not knowing the
different AL80s that have different specs of the kind cited above.
>
> Ron - you should be jealous. I've been upgraded from idiot to
> hardened criminal, somehow.
Now that you've lost CPR86 as your Aldora-IDIOT buddy and twin, is
this your way of courting Ron to be your future LU-IDIOT partner? :-)
-- Bob.
Reef Fish
> In article <pan.2003.01.28.21....@nuvox.net>, David
> Nedved <dne...@nuvox.net> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 16:31:20 -0500, Jason O'Rourke wrote:
> >
> > > "Google boards."
> > >
> > > Newbies.
The Reverend Bob "Bob" Krispen, who wrote LISTSERV Guidelines for
posting wannabees, calls them "Clueless Newbies".
> >
> > Dammit! All along I've been thinking they were AOL boards!
What's AOL? Another Old Lady? :-))
>
> No, no. That would be "discussion areas."
That's where Dave, the Aldora God, used to hide, and would respond
to VALID questions in rec.scuba only through Aldora IDIOTs, who often
mangled even the questions. :-)
-- Bob.
Reef Fish
apparently learned the trick from AA (Anonymous Asshole) SOCKPUPPET
and AA (Aaron Asshole) Aaron Valenski, the OLDEST trick in
usenet, of creating derogatory SUBJECT names for the sake of
making a pesty point, rather than sticking to a thread.
Re: Monterey Diving (Was: another Bob Ling name calling eposode)
In reply to such subjects, I generally change the subject to
something APPROPRIATE, quid pro quo,
> Jason,Re: Monterey Diving (Was: another Bob Ling name calling eposode)
>
> Don't you dive in the Monterey ort other CA coastal area? If I recall
> correctly, you have a BMW as well.
IDIOT Ron Lee has to drag up the most irrelevant point as an excuse
to drag Jason (or solicite Jason) to be his IDIOT-buddy.
> Ron Lee
>
> j...@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (Jason O'Rourke) wrote:
> >Ron - you should be jealous. I've been upgraded from idiot to
> >hardened criminal, somehow.
> >--
> >Jason O'Rourke www.jor.com
Ron, everyone ALREADY knows that I call SOME people, such as yourself,
names. No reminder is necessary.
I call you an IDIOT because you ARE an IDIOT, as I had already
explained to you.
Most readers now KNOW how to use the Google archives to read about
anyone's past postings. I stand on MY record. You're legless to
stand on yours.
Now go crawl back to the other non-scuba newsgroups you've been in
your self-exile since Aldora was no longer the God you once worshipped.
-- Bob.
Bob Crownfield
>
> MN.Manatee <hunt...@juno.com> wrote:
> >This is the first time I checked out the Google boards. Do you 2
> >bicker like this all the time? IMHO everyone needs to consider every
> >post here to be an individual's Humble Opinion and let it go at that.
>
> "Google boards."
>
> Newbies.
jason, do you see any boards?
Greg Mossman
news:3E384A...@Cox.net...
He had better if he's the moderator. Otherwise the board owners will have
to get someone else.
Bob Crownfield
>
> "Bob Crownfield" <Crown...@Cox.net> wrote in message
> news:3E384A...@Cox.net...
> > Jason O'Rourke wrote:
> > >
> > > MN.Manatee <hunt...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > >This is the first time I checked out the Google boards. Do you 2
> > > >bicker like this all the time? IMHO everyone needs to consider every
> > > >post here to be an individual's Humble Opinion and let it go at that.
> > >
> > > "Google boards."
> > >
> > > Newbies.
> >
> > jason, do you see any boards?
>
> He had better if he's the moderator.
Damn! I knew boards had grain and knots, but never modeators.
I thought moderators were for nuclear power plants.
Aldora Divers
> ronlee...@pcisys.net (Ron Lee) wrote in message news:<3e3746da...@news.pcisys.net>...
>
> Re: Bob Ling Again resorts to Name calling (Was: anotherr topic)
>
> The posts in question (below) speak for themselves.
>
> > >> Large_Nass...@Yahoo.com (Reef Fish) wrote:
> > >>
(great part cut out>
> > >> >
> > >> >This is far from the first time I caught THIS lie, reported by OTHER
> > >> >ex-Aldora fans who flocked to LU. :-) Same reason Memo couldn't
> > >> >dive with divers on four different boats at the same time.
> > >> >
> > >> >So, Memo left Aldora and set up his own shop. :-)
> > >> >Oracio probably did the same. Oracio didn't even dive with arse-
> > >> >kisser Ron! See below what LU DIDN'T have, as reported (but not
> > >> >observed) by Ron.
Just for the reccord: As from February teh 1st., Memo is back with
Aldora Divers and Dave Dillehay is in charge.
And of course as Bob points out: Memo could not dive with everyone,
nor could Oracio.
> > >> >-- Bob.
Aldora's webmaster
Greg Mossman
news:6846f6f1.0302...@posting.google.com...
> Just for the reccord: As from February teh 1st., Memo is back with
> Aldora Divers and Dave Dillehay is in charge.
>
> And of course as Bob points out: Memo could not dive with everyone,
> nor could Oracio.
>
> > > >> >-- Bob.
>
> Aldora's webmaster
So do you still suck or have you gone out of business?
Reef Fish
> Large_Nass...@Yahoo.com (Reef Fish) wrote in message news:<8fb7380b.03012...@posting.google.com>...
> > ronlee...@pcisys.net (Ron Lee) wrote in message news:<3e3746da...@news.pcisys.net>...
Is Aldora webmaster the OFFICIAL spammer for Aldora now?
> > The posts in question (below) speak for themselves.
That was my comment about Ron Lee's ORIGINAL post about LU. It was
a reasoned post, point by point, indicating WHY unbeknownst to Ron
Lee, his stated facts were speaking against LU, rather than for it,
and instead of responding to point points, Ron Lee went into his
usual "jihad" business, and created derogatory SUBJECT names against
me. The present subject was my response to what Ron's post with
a derogatory SUBJECT, but nothing of scuba substance in it, about
Aldora OR LU!
> (great part cut out>
Aldora webmaster, you snipped TOO MUCH, to have lost what supported
my statements below:
> > > >> >This is far from the first time I caught THIS lie, reported by OTHER
> > > >> >ex-Aldora fans who flocked to LU. :-) Same reason Memo couldn't
> > > >> >dive with divers on four different boats at the same time.
What you snipped was "THIS lie", what Oracio said on his webpage,
cited by Ron Lee, and below was what I said, preceding the three lines
you clipped, OUT OF CONTEXT:
RF> So, LU lies on the webpage too! It said,
RF>
RF> *> All diving operations are led by Oracio Martinez.
RF>
RF> This is far from the first time I caught THIS lie, reported by OTHER
RF> ex-Aldora fans who flocked to LU. :-) Same reason Memo couldn't
RF> dive with divers on four different boats at the same time.
It makes a difference when cited IN CONTEXT doesn't it?
Memo never said or advertised that all diving operation are led by HIM!
> Just for the reccord: As from February teh 1st., Memo is back with
> Aldora Divers and Dave Dillehay is in charge.
So is that why YOU are here to spam for Aldora now?
> And of course as Bob points out: Memo could not dive with everyone,
> nor could Oracio.
But you didn't note the difference. I pointed out above, that Memo
couldn't dive with everybody, but DIDN'T say he could dive with everybody.
He didn't lie. Only the Aldora IDIOTS assumed that if they dived with
Aldora, they could have requested Memo.
On the other hand, Oracio LIED because he said he lead all dives. Ron
reported that he dived with some DM named Jeremy which was what prompted
my question about what was said on that webpage.
You're not doing Aldora any service by your thinly disguised AD,
distorting (why snipping the ESSENTIAL quote of what's on LU's
webpage that supported my comments) what I had to say, to justify
your own SPAM.
> Aldora's webmaster
Why don't you go to rec.scuba.locations and look up the posts THERE
in which I DEFENDED Aldora as rigorously against some unwarranted
charges by Greg Morrison, and called him an Anti-Aldora IDIOT, in the
same manner I told Ron Lee and other Aldora IDIOTs why they were
IDIOTS.
Meanwhile, why don't you take it up with Greg Morrison, and have your
Aldora vs Anti-Aldora bout with him. That should prove to be
interesting reading for everyone.
You're picking on the wrong person, Aldora webmaster! You listened too
much to the Aldora IDIOTS such as Ron Lee.
-- Bob.
Ron Lee
resorts to name calling.
Grow up Bob.
Ron Lee
Reef Fish
> I include ALL of his posting so anyone can see how many times Bob
> resorts to name calling.
>
Ron, you included only my most recent post in reply to our new Aldora
SPAMMER, the Aldora webmaster himself.
All you have to do if you want anyone to see how many times Bob calls
Ron Lee an Aldora IDIOT, is to use Google.com and specify the
keywords, "Aldora IDIOT Ron Lee", and you'll get 137 hits,
(That's the number of POSTS) and not even all of them were posted
by me. I didn't bother to see how many of the 137 were posted
by me, but the SECOND one in the search had this:
(posted by Pmcduffee back in 1998):
(about Ron Lee)
BobC>Bob:
BobC>
BobC>The sad part is that he will not understand how definitively and
BobC>irrefutably he was put down, even with you being conservative.
BobC>
BobC>Expect more babble.
BobC>
BobC>Bob Crownfield: Pilot, Photographer, Diver, Delphi RAD addict
Pat> This is unfortunate and probably most true.
Pat>
Pat> Bob's early post today to Ron was truely inspirational.
Pat>
Pat> It was to the fact, and maybe conciliatory as well without going
Pat> beyond what would be considered fair, and appropriate.
Pat>
Pat> How about it Ron?
Pat>
Pat> Can you give it up?
Apparently not.
Pat> You are not making any points with anyone by keeping this/your
Pat> personal discussion/argument going with Bob and about Aldora.
Pat>
Pat> JMHO,
Pat>
Pat> Pat
I posted this only days ago:
RF >To paraphrase Pat, whose sig reads "I call you a friend because
RF> you are my friend", I have documented above why I call you an
RF> IDIOT, Ron, because you ARE an IDIOT. Get it?
Apparently not.
His present post just added another reason for it.
If you do a keyword search (WITHOUT the word Aldora), just just
"IDIOT Ron Lee",
you'll find 3020 hits! Most of them giving REASONS why.
Are you happy now, Ron, or are you still trying to re-establish what
every one already KNOW about you?
-- Bob.
-- Bob.
Alan Street
<Large_Nass...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> All you have to do if you want anyone to see how many times Bob calls
> Ron Lee an Aldora IDIOT, is to use Google.com and specify the
> keywords, "Aldora IDIOT Ron Lee", and you'll get 137 hits,
> (That's the number of POSTS) and not even all of them were posted
> by me. I didn't bother to see how many of the 137 were posted
> by me, but the SECOND one in the search had this:
>
Bob, was that about 24/7?
Reef Fish
No, Alan.
24/7 is someone like yourself, who managed to have accumulated over
1560 hits in Google, as AUTHOR, in less than a year of posting in
newsgroups.
You are a "Clueless Newbie", Alan.
You haven't even earned your "Mental Midget" cert yet, and you're
already aspiring to have yourself known as an "IDIOT"?. Ron Lee
has paid his dues, and is a full-fledged IDIOT.
Your classfication, in the annals of internet posting, is a "gnat".
A nuisance, with no bite, no experience, and no talent, but I have
give you credit for TRYING, by devoting your entier life, 24/7,
to make an ass of yourself.
Come back in a few years and try again.
-- Bob.
Jason O'Rourke
>24/7 is someone like yourself, who managed to have accumulated over
>1560 hits in Google, as AUTHOR, in less than a year of posting in
>newsgroups.
We can assume all references you make to google really mean
groops.google.com (aka, deja), right? The majority of the world
means something else when they say google.
>You haven't even earned your "Mental Midget" cert yet, and you're
>already aspiring to have yourself known as an "IDIOT"?. Ron Lee
>has paid his dues, and is a full-fledged IDIOT.
Keep your head up, Alan. You'll get promoted soon enough;
it's not about the number of postings you make, but rather the number
of times you expose him for the old coot that he is. You might try
fishing in the Uwatec threads - Bob seems very eager to remind us
of his role, even in unrelated threads.
But it takes a hell of an effort to get promoted to my level!
Reef Fish
> Reef Fish <Large_Nass...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
> >24/7 is someone like yourself, who managed to have accumulated over
> >1560 hits in Google, as AUTHOR, in less than a year of posting in
> >newsgroups.
>
> We can assume all references you make to google really mean
> groops.google.com (aka, deja), right? The majority of the world
> means something else when they say google.
You won't find it in "groops.google.com" for sure! :-)
I can't help it if the rest of the world is like you. It's in
my post in THIS thread, and you missed it!
RF> I had told Ron Lee if he wanted others to know how many times
RF> he had been called an IDIOT, all he had to do was to go to
RF> http://groups.google.com and search for keywords,
I have also mentioned it 72 times in other posts. It gets tiresome
to say groups.google.com everytime when "google" should suffice,
in the CONTEXT of searching for posts in USENET ngs and lists.
>
> >You haven't even earned your "Mental Midget" cert yet, and you're
> >already aspiring to have yourself known as an "IDIOT"?. Ron Lee
> >has paid his dues, and is a full-fledged IDIOT.
>
> Keep your head up, Alan. You'll get promoted soon enough;
> it's not about the number of postings you make, but rather the number
> of times you expose him for the old coot that he is. You might try
> fishing in the Uwatec threads - Bob seems very eager to remind us
> of his role, even in unrelated threads.
>
> But it takes a hell of an effort to get promoted to my level!
Very true. There aren't many IDIOTs like Jason and his identical
Twin brother CPR86. Jason works hard on it, so I had to "upgrade"
him from an IDIOT to an internet "hardened criminal" who has held
worked throught the ranks of "gnat", "mental midget", and "idiot"
to what is today.
Just look at how he missed "groups.google.com" in this very thread
just so that he can use it as his excuse to put in his noise.
-- Bob.
Jason O'Rourke
>> We can assume all references you make to google really mean
>> groops.google.com (aka, deja), right? The majority of the world
>> means something else when they say google.
>I have also mentioned it 72 times in other posts. It gets tiresome
>to say groups.google.com everytime when "google" should suffice,
>in the CONTEXT of searching for posts in USENET ngs and lists.
Just earlier today you defended your practice of long windbag postings,
because you didn't like to leave anything ambiguous. And yet now you're
using context when convenient?!
Google means google, not deja. It is a web search, not a USENET search.
If you're suddenly too lazy to spell it out, use "deja." We all know
you've been around long enough to know the history of newsgroup archives.
Alan Street
<j...@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> wrote:
-Reef Fish <Large_Nass...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
->24/7 is someone like yourself, who managed to have accumulated over
->1560 hits in Google, as AUTHOR, in less than a year of posting in
->newsgroups.
-
-We can assume all references you make to google really mean
-groops.google.com (aka, deja), right? The majority of the world
-means something else when they say google.
-
->You haven't even earned your "Mental Midget" cert yet, and you're
->already aspiring to have yourself known as an "IDIOT"?. Ron Lee
->has paid his dues, and is a full-fledged IDIOT.
-
-Keep your head up, Alan. You'll get promoted soon enough;
-it's not about the number of postings you make, but rather the number
-of times you expose him for the old coot that he is. You might try
-fishing in the Uwatec threads - Bob seems very eager to remind us
-of his role, even in unrelated threads.
-
-But it takes a hell of an effort to get promoted to my level!
Thanks Jason.
You know, rec.scuba personalities are certainly interesting, but I've
never encountered anyone quite like Bob Ling before. A pompous and self
aggrandizing anachronism, he ruthlessly (and with never less than 100
words) attacks anyone "impertinent" enough to challenge or poke fun at
him. I assume he's comfortable with himself, but I pity anyone who
actually has to work with him on a daily basis.
The funny part is that he's inaccurate. He does a cursory examination
of a subject, then pronounces his "learned" opinion based on oftentimes
incomplete data. Take his statement above - "as AUTHOR, in less than a
year of posting in newsgroups" - I've been posting far longer than
that, but changed my posted e-mail address about a year ago as a spam
trap. But since Ling only looks at the surface of the data, he comes to
inaccurate conclusions, then tries to legitimize them with his
"credentials."
Alan
Reef Fish
> Reef Fish <Large_Nass...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> We can assume all references you make to google really mean
> >> groops.google.com (aka, deja), right? The majority of the world
> >> means something else when they say google.
Jason, you were using the above as your EXCUSE to mouth off some
impertinence. I had already told you it's not "groops", and it's
not "deja" either, which is an OBSOLETE product, bought by Google
years ago. There's nothing to add to what I have already responded.
Just crawl back into your sandbox or the other newsgroups that have
idiot mentality like yours. You have already earned your IDIOT
status long time ago. There is no need to re-assert that you
deserve it.
-- Bob.
Jason O'Rourke
>Jason, you were using the above as your EXCUSE to mouth off some
>impertinence. I had already told you it's not "groops", and it's
>not "deja" either, which is an OBSOLETE product, bought by Google
>years ago. There's nothing to add to what I have already responded.
You can mouth it as often as you want - this isn't google.
A google search for: "ron lee" idiot gives you 69 results, none of
which are the ones you refer to.
A google search for: bob ling crackpot gives 66 responses.
So either learn to use a better term, or write a few more words. We
know you're fully capable of the latter, questionable if you can do
the former.
Reef Fish
> In article <b29ghf$rbl$1...@agate.berkeley.edu>, Jason O'Rourke
> <j...@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> wrote:
>
> ->You haven't even earned your "Mental Midget" cert yet, and you're
> ->already aspiring to have yourself known as an "IDIOT"?. Ron Lee
> ->has paid his dues, and is a full-fledged IDIOT.
> -
> -Keep your head up, Alan. You'll get promoted soon enough;
> -it's not about the number of postings you make, but rather the number
> -of times you expose him for the old coot that he is. You might try
> -fishing in the Uwatec threads - Bob seems very eager to remind us
> -of his role, even in unrelated threads.
> -
> -But it takes a hell of an effort to get promoted to my level!
>
> Thanks Jason.
Alan, as long as follow proven IDIOTs like Jason O'Rourke (there's
another Jason posting in rec.scuba -- don't want anyone to mistake
the other Jason for THIS idiot), you'll soon descend to his level
alright.
>
> You know, rec.scuba personalities are certainly interesting, but I've
> never encountered anyone quite like Bob Ling before.
That is an accurate statement. And you never will. For all the
reasons you'll NOT find reading Jason O'Dork, for short.
>
> The funny part is that he's inaccurate.
> Take his statement above - "as AUTHOR, in less than a year of posting
> in newsgroups" -
But you forgot, it was about YOUR 24/7, as evidenced by your RECENT
postings. NOT about your mailing address, in the CONTEXT:
Alan> Bob, was that about 24/7?
That was Alan's impertinent, off-target, irrelevant, remark as a
GNAT, on what I had posted. Thus my response:
RF> No, Alan.
RF>
RF> 24/7 is someone like yourself, who managed to have accumulated over
RF> 1560 hits in Google, as AUTHOR, in less than a year of posting in
RF> newsgroups.
> Alan
If your postings had something of substance, it might be a different
story. You might be said to be "prolific" then. But in YOUR case,
it's all impertinent drivel and dribble. The message to you was:
Alan, get a life.
Of course you missed it.
You aspire to be an IDIOT when you grow up, just like Jason O'Dork.
How's THAT?
-- Bob.
Susan
Just wanted to know if this is the same Ron Lee who posts on
travelnotes? He wears knee high socks with his shorts?? Just
wondering if this is the same person. On travelnotes he responds to
every post.
Thanks and good diving to you.
Suz
Alan Street
<jimbo...@scubadiving.com> wrote:
-My Question????????????????
-Just wanted to know if this is the same Ron Lee who posts on
-travelnotes? He wears knee high socks with his shorts?? Just
-wondering if this is the same person. On travelnotes he responds to
-every post.
-Thanks and good diving to you.
-Suz
I have no idea, but I'm sure Bob Ling will be happy to regale you with
lots and lots of information about Ron. Some of it might even be true.
Alan
Alan Street
<Large_Nass...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
The message to you was:
-Alan, get a life.
-
Coming from you, this is pretty amusing.
But thanks for the kind thought anyhow.
Alan
OldSalt
> Keep your head up, Alan. You'll get promoted soon enough;
> it's not about the number of postings you make, but rather the number
> of times you expose him for the old coot that he is.
<snip>
How old is Bob ?? For some reason, I imagine him as being younger than I am.
Susan
Thanks
OldSalt
> Thanks Jason.
> You know, rec.scuba personalities are certainly interesting,
LOL !! Congratulations Alan. You win "The Understatement of the
Year" award. Bob Crownfield will be along shortly to give you your
trophy.
> but I've
> never encountered anyone quite like Bob Ling before. A pompous and self
> aggrandizing anachronism, he ruthlessly (and with never less than 100
> words) attacks anyone "impertinent" enough to challenge or poke fun at
> him. I assume he's comfortable with himself, but I pity anyone who
> actually has to work with him on a daily basis.
Hmmm. You've never met anyone like this on rec.scuba before ??
<cough>
> The funny part is that he's inaccurate. He does a cursory examination
> of a subject, then pronounces his "learned" opinion based on oftentimes
> incomplete data. Take his statement above - "as AUTHOR, in less than a
> year of posting in newsgroups" - I've been posting far longer than
> that, but changed my posted e-mail address about a year ago as a spam
> trap. But since Ling only looks at the surface of the data, he comes to
> inaccurate conclusions, then tries to legitimize them with his
> "credentials."
Yea... but he tries. And I still love him for it.
Alan Street
<ba...@fast.net> wrote:
-Alan Street <alan@nonono_irsi.com> wrote in message
-news:<110220030714182935%alan@nonono_irsi.com>...
-
-> Thanks Jason.
-> You know, rec.scuba personalities are certainly interesting,
-
-LOL !! Congratulations Alan. You win "The Understatement of the
-Year" award. Bob Crownfield will be along shortly to give you your
-trophy.
-
-> but I've
-> never encountered anyone quite like Bob Ling before. A pompous and self
-> aggrandizing anachronism, he ruthlessly (and with never less than 100
-> words) attacks anyone "impertinent" enough to challenge or poke fun at
-> him. I assume he's comfortable with himself, but I pity anyone who
-> actually has to work with him on a daily basis.
-
-Hmmm. You've never met anyone like this on rec.scuba before ??
-<cough>
Well, maybe once or twice <g>. But you have to admit that has a unique
"style."
-
-> The funny part is that he's inaccurate. He does a cursory examination
-> of a subject, then pronounces his "learned" opinion based on oftentimes
-> incomplete data. Take his statement above - "as AUTHOR, in less than a
-> year of posting in newsgroups" - I've been posting far longer than
-> that, but changed my posted e-mail address about a year ago as a spam
-> trap. But since Ling only looks at the surface of the data, he comes to
-> inaccurate conclusions, then tries to legitimize them with his
-> "credentials."
-
-Yea... but he tries. And I still love him for it.
Most everyone here tries. Some are just more trying than others :-).
Alan
Lee Bell
> How old is Bob ?? For some reason, I imagine him as being younger than I
am.
He's older than I am, probably in his 60s, maybe close to his 70s.
Lee
Lee Bell
> > inaccurate conclusions, then tries to legitimize them with his
> > "credentials."
> Yea... but he tries. And I still love him for it.
His a retired full professor of statistics from Clemson University. He
ought to do a damned sight better than try.
Jason O'Rourke
>> it's not about the number of postings you make, but rather the number
>> of times you expose him for the old coot that he is.
>
You're not an old coot. You're what, 35?
anyway, it's more a mental thing than a chronilogical one.
Ron Lee
Immature and childish yes.
Ron Lee
Greg Mossman
news:1cb37eeb.03021...@posting.google.com...
> Just wanted to know if this is the same Ron Lee who posts on
> travelnotes? He wears knee high socks with his shorts?? Just
> wondering if this is the same person. On travelnotes he responds to
> every post.
> Thanks and good diving to you.
Knee high socks with shorts? Maybe Bob is right.
Lee Bell
> Knee high socks with shorts? Maybe Bob is right.
Not in the last couple of years.
Susan
like to talk to you.
Thanks
Susan
ronlee...@pcisys.net (Ron Lee) wrote in message news:<3e49a570...@news.pcisys.net>...
Reef Fish
for his post,
"3020 Reasons why Bob Ling is an IDIOT"
What's in that thread of TWO posts, one by Jason, and the follow-up
by Ron Lee is the FUNNIEST thread I've EVER read, not because it
consists of posts by the two known IDIOTs, but because
Jason has proven himself to be the World's BIGGEST IDIOT
in what he wrote in his post.
You've got to see it to believe it. HONEST!
Jason had NO IDEA what he found. :-))))))))))))))))))))))
ronlee...@pcisys.net (Ron Lee) wrote in message news:<3e49a570...@news.pcisys.net>...
> To the best of my knowledge I have never called Bob a crackpot.
>
> Immature and childish yes.
>
> Ron Lee
Ron Lee is correct! If he had bothered to follow Jason's direction
and used the google archives, Ron would hae known that NOBODY has
ever called THIS Bob Ling a crackpot in any newsgroup, except in
Jason's post.
THAT's NOT the FUNNIEST part. The FUNNIEST part is how google FOUND
those hits, using the keywords "bob ling idiot" Jason suggested.
> j...@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (Jason O'Rourke) wrote:
> >
> >A google search for: "ron lee" idiot gives you 69 results, none of
> >which are the ones you refer to.
That's because Jason O'Rourke doesn't know HOW to use the "advanced
search" feature in the http://groups.google.com, using the keywards
I suggested, "ron lee IDIOT". It had 3020 hits then. It had
3050 hits when I checked before posting this.
So, Jason didn't even know where the "3020 Reasons" in the subject
I used came from and blindly stole it for his post.
NOW comes the FUNNY part.
> >A google search for: bob ling crackpot gives 66 responses.
Using the same "advanced search" feature in groups.google.com,
and the keywords "bob ling crackpot", it only turned 22 hits.
> >So either learn to use a better term, or write a few more words. We
> >know you're fully capable of the latter, questionable if you can do
> >the former.
> >--
> >Jason O'Rourke www.jor.com
That's funny, Jason. Your joke is on YOURSELF! See below.
If you have held out this long, you DESERVE to be treated by the
Masterpiece of Jason O'Rourke's display of his IDIOCY. He didn't
know HOW to search, and didn't even LOOK at what he found.
These were among the first few hits ... the KEYWORDS (in boldface
in the search, are CAPITALZED below):
... a dud - if LING- LING had found a man ... Leslie Stahl, Lamar
Alexander, BOB Woodward, and many other DC ... Walmart has some
angry, CRACKPOT liberal jokester in some ...
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh - Jan 12, 1993 by John Switzer - Thread (1 article)
For the hit,
"bob" came from BOB WOodward
"ling" came from LING-LING, the Panda bear, I presume
"crackpot" came from Walmart's CRACKPOT liberal.
I cracked up already when I read that.
But wait! There's more. The next hit:
What is a kook? ... eccentric or crazy. Synonyms: CRACKPUT, cuckoo,
ding-a-LING, harebrain, lunatic, nut, screwball,woo ... road? - mimus
To slug BOB Minton. - Shydavid (See http ...
alt.astrology - Sep 7, 2002 by Rev. Fredric L. Rice - Thread (1 article)
"bob" came from BOB Minton
"ling" came from the list of synomyms, including ding-a-LING
"crackpot" came from the same list.
Terminator/T2 FAQList v.2.20
... This way I avoid CRACKPOT ideas ;-) If you want ... strangers
along with "Uncle BOB". Two possibilities have been ... it to Van
LING, Creative Technical Supervisor of ...
rec.arts.sf.movies - Sep 3, 1994 by Karsten Loepelmann - (1 article)
"bob" came from Uncle BOB
"ling" from Van LING,
"crackpot" from "CRACKPOT ideas" written by the poster.
Groups.google.com did its job well, of picking out those 22 posts from
BILLIONS and BILLIONS (A Sagan) posts that contained ALL THREE keywords,
"bob ling crackpot".
Jason missed all of that. The joke was on HIMSELF, for shooting his
own foot!
You can enjoy the REAT of the hits there. Only ONE of them came from
rec.scuba or any other scuba group, and that's the one posted by
the WORLD's BIGGEST IDIOT, our own Jason O'Rourke.
Enjoy!
-- Bob.
chilly
"Reef Fish" <Large_Nass...@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8fb7380b.03021...@posting.google.com...
> Jason O'Rourke plagiarized the subject heading I used for Ron Lee,
> for his post,
>
> "3020 Reasons why Bob Ling is an IDIOT"
>
Good work Jason. You kept him occupied for a while.
OldSalt
> Well, maybe once or twice <g>. But you have to admit that has a unique
> "style."
Indeed.
> Most everyone here tries. Some are just more trying than others :-).
You understood my meaning then. :)
OldSalt
So he claims. :)
OldSalt
> OldSalt <ba...@fast.net> wrote:
> >> it's not about the number of postings you make, but rather the number
> >> of times you expose him for the old coot that he is.
> >
> >How old is Bob ?? For some reason, I imagine him as being younger than I am.
> You're not an old coot. You're what, 35?
Oh Jason, you lil pup !! I love you for that comment.
> anyway, it's more a mental thing than a chronilogical one.
I tell myself that on the 'rough' mornings. :)
OldSalt
> Jason O'Rourke plagiarized the subject heading I used for Ron Lee,
> for his post,
> "3020 Reasons why Bob Ling is an IDIOT"
> What's in that thread of TWO posts, one by Jason, and the follow-up
> by Ron Lee is the FUNNIEST thread I've EVER read, not because it
> consists of posts by the two known IDIOTs, but because
> Jason has proven himself to be the World's BIGGEST IDIOT
> in what he wrote in his post.
> You've got to see it to believe it. HONEST!
> Jason had NO IDEA what he found. :-))))))))))))))))))))))
Bob... I don't think that many ppl here care. Jason and I might
disagree on stuff here but I find this bit with you and him to be
pretty lame. Furthermore, the Aldora crap that going on between you
and Ron is ridiculously tiresome.
It makes me yearn for Dr Black to post again.
Jason O'Rourke
>> >A google search for: "ron lee" idiot gives you 69 results, none of
>> >which are the ones you refer to.
>
>That's because Jason O'Rourke doesn't know HOW to use the "advanced
>search" feature in the http://groups.google.com, using the keywards
>I suggested, "ron lee IDIOT". It had 3020 hits then. It had
>3050 hits when I checked before posting this.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22ron+lee%22+idiot&btnG=Google+Search
Now at 71 results.
>> >A google search for: bob ling crackpot gives 66 responses.
>
>Using the same "advanced search" feature in groups.google.com,
>and the keywords "bob ling crackpot", it only turned 22 hits.
I've tried to say it real slow for that addled mind of your's:
groups.google.com is not 'google.'
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=bob+ling+crackpot&btnG=Google+Search
It's no surprise you prefer the usenet archives over google - you barely
exist in the latter. By some geeks' definition, you don't really exist.
(Who's Who books don't count, Bob)
Drew A. Dunn
> I've tried to say it real slow for that addled mind of your's:
> groups.google.com is not 'google.'
True, but I think the difference between groups.google.com and plain
vanilla google is obvious from the context.
Drew
Reef Fish
> Large_Nass...@Yahoo.com (Reef Fish) wrote in message news:<8fb7380b.03021...@posting.google.com>...
> > Jason O'Rourke plagiarized the subject heading I used for Ron Lee,
> > for his post,
> > "3020 Reasons why Bob Ling is an IDIOT"
> > What's in that thread of TWO posts, one by Jason, and the follow-up
> > by Ron Lee is the FUNNIEST thread I've EVER read, not because it
> > consists of posts by the two known IDIOTs, but because
> > Jason has proven himself to be the World's BIGGEST IDIOT
> > in what he wrote in his post.
> > You've got to see it to believe it. HONEST!
> > Jason had NO IDEA what he found. :-))))))))))))))))))))))
>
> Bob... I don't think that many ppl here care.
I agree! But for everyone who READs Jason's and Ron's crap, I am
putting out anti-crap FACTS for those who DIDN'T know what the crap
is all about, and once they've seen it, they would know to ignore
them from then on.
> Jason and I might
> disagree on stuff here but I find this bit with you and him to be
> pretty lame.
On HIS part. Old Salt, what you've missed are the fact that Jason
O'Rourke goes OUT OF HIS WAY to make a nuisance of himself, to the
extent of posting something he knew NOTHING about, as his way of
flaming me, and he didn't even READ the stuff he was supposed to
have found.
That is a FACT that I documented.
If you missed it, it's yours and Jason's problem. Not mine.
> Furthermore, the Aldora crap that going on between you
> and Ron is ridiculously tiresome.
The crap is one-dimensional, all from Ron. If you had bother to READ
what I had posted, to save time for those readers who wants to know
what went on and don't have the time look up the history, you would
have KNOWN that I treat every post, including this one of yours, on a
CASE by CASE basis. As soon as the crap stop ON THE OTHER SIDE, you
won't hear a word from ME about it.
But as long as they keep coming back, they'll be exposed for WHAT they
are, whenever I choose to do it, and however I want to do it. In the
end, they'll all be gone (you can't even count HIGH enough all those
Aldora IDIOTs, Mental Midgets, and gnats that are no longer here) and
I'll be here to discuss SCUBA as I have always done.
> It makes me yearn for Dr Black to post again.
Whatever is between you and Dr. Black is YOUR business, not mine. (And
I don't need any IDIOT interpreter of your statement or any subtleties
in your statement). I have already posted MY last post about Dr. Black,
a eulogy of sorts, which captured EXACTLY how I felt about this man,
"MY Last Words about MJB aka icediver..."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8fb7380b.02113...@posting.google.com
which included these last words,
> In Scuba, as in Life, one must be Self-Responsible and EARN the
> respect or disrepect from others through his/her own act! Nothing
> we say, or can say, really matters, once the person is gone, be it
> MIA or moribund.
> To which I say to icediver: May you R.I.P.beyond cyberspace and Life.
Salty, Dr. Black is DEAD. Let him R.I.P.
Meanwhile do YOUR part in cyberspace and life, to see if you can make
it a better life for everyone else.
Speaking up on behalf of Ron Lee and Jason O'Rourke WITHOUT the FACTS
and without recognizing what they are doing, is, IMNSHO, not the way
to do it.
-- Bob.
Reef Fish
> Reef Fish <Large_Nass...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >A google search for: "ron lee" idiot gives you 69 results, none of
> >> >which are the ones you refer to.
> >
> >That's because Jason O'Rourke doesn't know HOW to use the "advanced
> >search" feature in the http://groups.google.com, using the keywards
> >I suggested, "ron lee IDIOT". It had 3020 hits then. It had
> >3050 hits when I checked before posting this.
>
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22ron+lee%22+idiot&btnG=Google+Search
>
> Now at 71 results.
Jason, you're just RE-CONFIRMING why you're the BIGGEST IDIOT in the
world.
After YEARS of your mouthing in rec.scuba, and talking about how you
and CPR86 could find things in the archives, you STILL don't have the
foggest idea how to do it!
Why didn't you post your follow up in the ongoing thread about this? :-))
You're using the WRONG SEARCH engine, for newsgroups, you IDIOT!
It was explicited stated THREE LINES above the link you gave,
and you went looking at
which was why you only found 71, the WRONG ONES, instead of 3050, the
RIGHT ONES, those that appear in newsgroups, most of which in rec.scuba,
(here), which was what the reference is all about!
> >> >A google search for: bob ling crackpot gives 66 responses.
> >
> >Using the same "advanced search" feature in groups.google.com,
> >and the keywords "bob ling crackpot", it only turned 22 hits.
Read how you shot you own foot with the other foot in your mouth,
Jason, in the thread in which you should have responded:
"You're GUARANTEED to laugh! Jason O'Rourke is a bigger IDIOT than
Ron Lee".
Did you read it? More to the point, I said it's GUARANTEED to
make one laugh. Did you laugh at those hits you would have found,
if you had done it correctly?
-- Bob.
Jason O'Rourke
>> I've tried to say it real slow for that addled mind of your's:
>> groups.google.com is not 'google.'
>True, but I think the difference between groups.google.com and plain
>vanilla google is obvious from the context.
Bob made a point of saying that his long windedness is to avoid
miscommunication. This sub thread is all about clarifying what he
means when he refers to "google searches." It may be obvious what he
means, but it's still wrong.
And as usual, I continue to win the linecount battle by a huge margin.
Reef Fish
Thanks Drew for pointing out to Jason the obvious.
I did that. He went on to make the SAME error, and then created
TWO additional derogatory subjects now, because of his own ignorance.
THe worst part of course, is, that it showed for all the NOISE
Jason has been making in these newsgroups, he had
NEVER LEARNED
how to retrieve posts from the archives of these newsgroups!
THAT
IS
SIGNIFICANT
and why Jason O'Rourke is the BIGGEST IDIOT of them all.
-- Bob.
Reef Fish
Occupied? THAT is funny. I got a good laugh from those few minutes
of reading the "hits" Jason thought he had found that was DIRT about
Bob Ling.
chilly, remember the saying "he who laughs last, laughs best"?
BTW, you should contact your ISP and see why your posts are sooooooo slow
getting to googles. (And that is groups.google.com. See Drew Dunn's
comment and my follow-up on Jason's REPEATING shooting of his own foot
and get some more laughs). Old Salt's post appeared before yours,
and yours was dated a day BEFORE hers.
This wasn't the only time that happened.
At any rate, siding yourself with an IDIOT on his IDIOCY wins points
only among IDIOTs.
Keep that in mind.
< rolling my eyes >
-- Bob.
Jason O'Rourke
>"chilly" <sla...@shaw.canada> wrote in message news:<1RG2a.245290$H7.86...@news2.calgary.shaw.ca>...
>>
>> Good work Jason. You kept him occupied for a while.
Still not seeing your posts directly, but I can count on him to reply to
at least half your lines, with 10 times as much following.
And yep, I'm winning this skirmish on order of 10 to 1 for linecount.
If I had just 5 of you on my squad, we could fill his entire day.
>chilly, remember the saying "he who laughs last, laughs best"?
I'll be dancing on your grave, Bob. Only chance for you is if I
buy it living life on the edge, in which case you are free to post
yet another deja reference and dance on mine here instead.
Jason O'Rourke
>You're using the WRONG SEARCH engine, for newsgroups, you IDIOT!
Bob, if you're going to try to hold everyone to an academic definition of
average, ignoring countless counterexamples, I have no reluctance to hold
you to a proper definition of google.
But I'm happy to see the bob ling crackpot count increasing. I do hope
whatever affliction you and Kramer suffer from isn't a universal one.
Drew A. Dunn
> Drew A. Dunn <da...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> I've tried to say it real slow for that addled mind of your's:
> >> groups.google.com is not 'google.'
> >True, but I think the difference between groups.google.com and plain
> >vanilla google is obvious from the context.
>
> Bob made a point of saying that his long windedness is to avoid
> miscommunication.
LOL, Bob is so long winded that I don't always read his whole posts.
Hence I missed the point about miscommunication.
Drew
Lee Bell
retired. For one reason or another, I've had sufficient reason to verify
information about Bob. Because our relationship, regardless of whether it
was good or bad at the time, has always been personal rather than
professional, I've been restricted to public rather than official channels
of investigation. No matter, there's been enough information on line alone
to confirm much of what he claims. There probably still is.
As obnoxious, agressive and generally disagreeable as I find the man, I've
not known him to lie about his qualifications or experience.
Lee
"OldSalt" <ba...@fast.net> wrote in message
news:edcb1a54.03021...@posting.google.com...
Lee Bell
> I'll be dancing on your grave, Bob. Only chance for you is if I
> buy it living life on the edge, in which case you are free to post
> yet another deja reference and dance on mine here instead.
If you guys would just killfile him, he'd be dancing all by himself, and I'd
be able to quit tripping over him in other people's posts. He's still the
only non-spammer in my blocked sender's list.
He wore out his welcome on Scuba-L, he's pretty much chased all but the hard
core few from Scuba-SE. He's been chased out of the rec.scuba groups
several times over the years. Isn't it about time to leave him nobody to
talk to but himself?
Lee
Dan Bracuk
:BTW, you should contact your ISP and see why your posts are sooooooo slow
:getting to googles.
Why would anyone care? Google is an archive, not a real time chat room.
Dan Bracuk
Toronto Canada
Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?
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Ron Lee
>I agree! But for everyone who READs Jason's and Ron's crap, I am
>putting out anti-crap FACTS for those who DIDN'T know what the crap
>is all about, and once they've seen it, they would know to ignore
>them from then on.
Bob Ling, that you should use scatological references is very
appropriate considering the same that spews from your keyboard.
Ron Lee
chilly
"Reef Fish" <Large_Nass...@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8fb7380b.03021...@posting.google.com...
> "chilly" <sla...@shaw.canada> wrote in message
news:<1RG2a.245290$H7.86...@news2.calgary.shaw.ca>...
> > "Reef Fish" <Large_Nass...@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:8fb7380b.03021...@posting.google.com...
> > > Jason O'Rourke plagiarized the subject heading I used for Ron Lee,
> > > for his post,
> > >
> > > "3020 Reasons why Bob Ling is an IDIOT"
> > >
> > LOL, I'm laughing alright. ahahahahaha
> >
> > Good work Jason. You kept him occupied for a while.
>
> Occupied? THAT is funny. I got a good laugh from those few minutes
> of reading the "hits" Jason thought he had found that was DIRT about
> Bob Ling.
>
> chilly, remember the saying "he who laughs last, laughs best"?
>
> BTW, you should contact your ISP and see why your posts are sooooooo slow
> getting to googles. (And that is groups.google.com. See Drew Dunn's
> comment and my follow-up on Jason's REPEATING shooting of his own foot
> and get some more laughs). Old Salt's post appeared before yours,
> and yours was dated a day BEFORE hers.
Since my posts are taking sooooooo long to get to google.groups.com, I will
be laughing last.
>
> This wasn't the only time that happened.
>
> At any rate, siding yourself with an IDIOT on his IDIOCY wins points
> only among IDIOTs.
>
> Keep that in mind.
>
> < rolling my eyes >
Back atcha.
Reef Fish
> Reef Fish <Large_Nass...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
> >"chilly" <sla...@shaw.canada> wrote in message news:<1RG2a.245290$H7.86...@news2.calgary.shaw.ca>...
> >> LOL, I'm laughing alright. ahahahahaha
> >>
> >> Good work Jason. You kept him occupied for a while.
>
> Still not seeing your posts directly, but I can count on him to reply to
> at least half your lines, with 10 times as much following.
>
> And yep, I'm winning this skirmish on order of 10 to 1 for linecount.
> If I had just 5 of you on my squad, we could fill his entire day.
What "skirmish?
Now Jason O'Rourke's MENTALITY is revealing itself.
1. He doesn't know how to use google to retrieve newsgroup posts or
rec.scuba posts.
2. He used the WRONG google search to get some 'hits' on using his
keywords "Bob Ling crackpot"; never read them, and didn't
realized NONE of them referred to me. That was what started
me on this thread.
3. He is congratulating himself on line count, and his "squad",
forgetting about all the SUBSTANCE that point to his IDIOCY
and IGNORANCE.
Did you not see these lines in my reply to chiili's post which you
didn't see?
RF> At any rate, siding yourself with an IDIOT on his IDIOCY wins points
RF> only among IDIOTs.
> I'll be dancing on your grave, Bob. Only chance for you is if I
> buy it living life on the edge, in which case you are free to post
> yet another deja reference and dance on mine here instead.
Jason, you have NO LIFE.
You're dancing with one foot in mouth while shooting the other foot.
'deja' is DEAD, as of several years ago. It's an obsolete product.
That's why YOU managed to retrieve 67 (or whatever) number of posts
searching with "Ron Lee IDIOT" when there were 3050 hits in the
"advanced search" of groups.google.com.
That's why you would have found NO HIT (except the one posted by
Jason O'Rourke) that matched the keywords "Bob Ling crackpot"
among ALL the posts in all newsgroups. The "Bob" you would have
found were Bob Woodward, Bob Minton, and all kinds of OTHER Bob's.
I am not here to "skirmish" with any IDIOT.
I'm here for POLUTION CONTROL, as a private citizen of an Open Forum,
in which all IDIOTs are free to make a fool of themselves, such as
what Jason O'Rourke and other IDIOTs have been doing.
I am here to EXPOSE them for what IDIOTS they are. There are no
line counts. No counting of cheerleaders. It's all SUBSTANCE.
Why don't you see if you know how to find where someone (in rec.scuba)
said of Jason O'Rourke, amoung
*> Jason, do you find it intimidating to be stuck with such a village
*> mentality while communicating in an international forum? You really
*> are a blithering idiot!!
That was in one of the 450 hits on "Jason O'Rourke IDIOT". It takes
only SECONDs for anyone who knows how to use google to find it.
If you did a search for "Jason IDIOT", you would have found 58,700 hits,
but most them were not YOU. The MIS-HITs were ALL Jason O'Rourke
found when that IDIOT (that's YOU, Jason) searched with "Bob Ling
crackpot". That's what's FUNNY in this thread.
You've gotta know HOW to do a search properly.
-- Bob.
Reef Fish
> Reef Fish <Large_Nass...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
> >You're using the WRONG SEARCH engine, for newsgroups, you IDIOT!
> But I'm happy to see the bob ling crackpot count increasing.
The INCREASE was ALL generated by Jason O'Rourke since
February 11, 2003, because he didn't know how to search for newsgroup
postings!
In your FIRST "bob ling crackpot" search, there were 22 hits -- NONE
of which was this Bob Ling, except the one by IDIOT Jason O'Rourke.
That was what made Jason O'Rourke even a BIGGER IDIOT than Ron Lee.
Now the count is up to 32, the additional 10 generated by the NOISE
made by IDIOT Jason O'Rourke over his IGNORANCE on how to use
newsgroup search engines and how to recognize his own ignorance
and idiocy.
Keep it up, Jason.
YOUR count is synonymous with the number of times you are shooting
your own foot while the other foot is in your mouth! :-)))))))))))
This post will add ONE to your "crackpot" count!
-- Bob.
Jason O'Rourke
>If you guys would just killfile him, he'd be dancing all by himself, and I'd
>be able to quit tripping over him in other people's posts. He's still the
>only non-spammer in my blocked sender's list.
He's fun to toy with.
and clearly he has nothing else to do.
Jason O'Rourke
>2. He used the WRONG google search to get some 'hits' on using his
> keywords "Bob Ling crackpot"; never read them, and didn't
> realized NONE of them referred to me. That was what started
> me on this thread.
Oh, I noted that they didn't refer to you. I included some snide
remarks about how that proved you really didn't exist, some Who's WHO
BS notwithstanding. Whereas searching me - 3 of the first 4 are mine.
>Jason, you have NO LIFE.
How many thousands of lines have you invested in the last 48 hours here?
What's your typing speed?
>'deja' is DEAD, as of several years ago. It's an obsolete product.
>That's why YOU managed to retrieve 67 (or whatever) number of posts
>searching with "Ron Lee IDIOT" when there were 3050 hits in the
>"advanced search" of groups.google.com.
> nslookup www.deja.com
Server: jor.com
Address: 0.0.0.0
Non-authoritative answer:
Name: groups.google.com
Addresses: 216.239.35.119, 216.239.51.119
Aliases: www.deja.com
Good one, Bob. Maybe you should go back to whining about statistical
definitions. You're out of your league on internet matters.
>among ALL the posts in all newsgroups. The "Bob" you would have
>found were Bob Woodward, Bob Minton, and all kinds of OTHER Bob's.
If you had been a bit smarter, you would have pointed out how I cheated
a bit, at your expense, in the inconsistent use of quotes.
Reef Fish
> Large_Nass...@Yahoo.com (Reef Fish) entertained us with:
> :BTW, you should contact your ISP and see why your posts are sooooooo slow
> :getting to googles.
>
> Why would anyone care?
Because some people read and post to newsgroups via googles ONLY, which
is better threaded than all the newsreaders I've ever used.
But you're correct in the respect that nobody would care if chilli's
post never arrive. :-)
> Google is an archive, not a real time chat room.
Who said anything about a real time chat room.
Google is an archive, with 3-9 hour delay (which is a Good Thing <tm>),
but not supposed to have a 1-2 day delay.
-- Bob.
Den73740
>than Ron Lee
>From: Large_Nass...@Yahoo.com (Reef Fish)
Bob Crownfield
>
> Reef Fish <Large_Nass...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
> >2. He used the WRONG google search to get some 'hits' on using his
> > keywords "Bob Ling crackpot"; never read them, and didn't
> > realized NONE of them referred to me. That was what started
> > me on this thread.
>
> Oh, I noted that they didn't refer to you. I included some snide
> remarks about how that proved you really didn't exist, some Who's WHO
> BS notwithstanding. Whereas searching me - 3 of the first 4 are mine.
You have a life outside of rec.scuba.
CAN it BE that HIS ONLY life is HERE in newsgroups?
HE is a STATISTICIAN, right?
HE certainly RANTS on HERE
Dan Bracuk
Those are the people who should complain to chilly's isp.
OldSalt
<snipping a reallllly long reply>
Bob, I have 2 questions for you :
1. Do you talk this much IRL ??
2. Just what kind of socks do you wear with shorts ??
Angel
Dan Bracuk
:2. Just what kind of socks do you wear with shorts ??
Same type I wear with long pants.
chilly
> ba...@fast.net (OldSalt) entertained us with:
> :2. Just what kind of socks do you wear with shorts ??
>
> Same type I wear with long pants.
Just as I suspected.
Lee Bell
> Bob... I don't think that many ppl here care. Jason and I might
> disagree on stuff here but I find this bit with you and him to be
> pretty lame.
No, no, you don't understand. The world is attacking Bob, with no
provocation whatsoever. I'm doing it, Ron Lee's Doing it, Jason's doing it,
the entire Scuba-L list is doing it, pretty much everybody's doing it. It's
not Bob, it's everybody, well almost everybody, else.
Lee Bell
before the gap was filled.
Becca
>
> Same type I wear with long pants.
Eeek!
Becca
Ron Lee
Becca, that is blatant "fashion sense" bigotry. No doubt you are a
lovely woman who dresses well. But not all guys are in the same
league so please do not ridicule us.
Note that this started because someone asked if I am the same Ron Lee
who reportedly wears knee-high black socks with shorts and sandals in
Cozumel.
I am the same Ron Lee.
Ron Lee
Dan Bracuk
:Note that this started because someone asked if I am the same Ron Lee
:who reportedly wears knee-high black socks with shorts and sandals in
:Cozumel.
:
:I am the same Ron Lee.
I wear ankle socks with both long and short pants. I also have large calves and
find knee socks uncomfortably tight.
Why do you prefer knee socks?
Reef Fish
Read "Lee Bell on Name-Calling and Assholes".
Read also what Lee Bell and OldSalt said about Ron Lee, cited in that post.
-- Bob.
Ron Lee
>
>Read "Lee Bell on Name-Calling and Assholes".
>
>Read also what Lee Bell and OldSalt said about Ron Lee, cited in that post.
>
>-- Bob.
I find the supposeded "Lee Bell" comment unlikely. Having seen his
posts over many years, it is not characteristic of him.
Ron Lee
DIR Dennis (Icarus)
Dennis
"Susan" <jimbo...@scubadiving.com> wrote in message news:1cb37eeb.03021...@posting.google.com...
> Ron I tried to email you but ...you know, please email again would
> like to talk to you.
> Thanks
> Susan
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ronlee...@pcisys.net (Ron Lee) wrote in message news:<3e49a570...@news.pcisys.net>...
> > To the best of my knowledge I have never called Bob a crackpot.
> >
> > Immature and childish yes.
> >
> > Ron Lee
> >
> >
> > j...@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (Jason O'Rourke) wrote:
> > >
> > >A google search for: "ron lee" idiot gives you 69 results, none of
> > >which are the ones you refer to.
> > >
> > >A google search for: bob ling crackpot gives 66 responses.
> > >
> > >So either learn to use a better term, or write a few more words. We
> > >know you're fully capable of the latter, questionable if you can do
> > >the former.
Reef Fish
That's why you are an IDIOT, Ron. It's all taken directly from the
Google archives. You think THEY don't know to post on their own
behalf if they didn't say it? They are right in this thread with
you.
That the same IDIOT Ron.
Never check for FACTs when they are there.
Only blabbers.
-- Bob.
Bob Crownfield
and for another such post, thus Bob wins yet another acolade:
"Annoying abusive tedious nitpicking bore of Rec.Scuba"
>
> -- Bob.
Lee Bell
But he doesn't hold a grudge. That's why he's taking cheap shots at
somebody he knows only gets his garbage through the posts of others.
Reef Fish
> > "Annoying abusive tedious nitpicking bore of Rec.Scuba"
>
> But he doesn't hold a grudge. That's why he's taking cheap shots at
> somebody he knows only gets his garbage through the posts of others.
Interesting coming from Lee, who constantly bragged about having put
me on his kill-file ("block list") talking about taking cheap shots.
In this thread, as of this moment, there are 31 posts. 4 of them
were by Lee. I had follow-ups on posts of Dan Bracuk, chilli, OldSalt,
and of course IDIOTs Ron Lee and Jason O'Rourke, all taking cheap shots
at me, but NONE of my posts in these 31 was a follow-up to Lee's
cheap shots.
It's a pity that Lee has descended to the level of IDIOTs, and has
called me an "asshole's asshole" hence making him on of the greatest
hypocrits of all times for the role he has given himself as Scuba
Cop against name-calling, which apparently is the uncurable disease
Ron Lee has been afflicted with.
-- Bob.
Susan
he posts all the time. He is a wealth of info. And he seems to be a
really nice guy.
Thanks for all your help Ron Lee.
Susan
"DIR Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojun...@ever.invalid> wrote in message news:<v4vg8cl...@corp.supernews.com>...
Bob Crownfield
>
> taking cheap shots IDIOTs cheap shots
> cheap shots. IDIOTs "asshole's asshole" hypocrits
> you are an IDIOT, Ron. >
> That the same IDIOT Ron.
> Only blabbers.
> -- Bob.
Bob:
if you are really trying to alienate, irritate and anger
everyone in rec.scuba,
and to convince everyone here that
you are the annoying abusive tedious nitpicking bore of Rec.Scuba,
your current technique will certainly be successful.
best wishes for sucess,
Bob
Ron Lee
hence making him on of the greatest
>hypocrits of all times for the role he has given himself as Scuba
>Cop against name-calling, which apparently is the uncurable disease
>Ron Lee has been afflicted with.
>
>-- Bob.
Bob, please be specific. Is name-calling the disease? If so then I am
disease free (mostly...and certainly compared to you)
And the Bob is Bob Ling, not any other Bob involved in any of these
posts
Ron Lee
OldSalt
<snip>
> In this thread, as of this moment, there are 31 posts. 4 of them
> were by Lee. I had follow-ups on posts of Dan Bracuk, chilli, OldSalt,
> and of course IDIOTs Ron Lee and Jason O'Rourke, all taking cheap shots
> at me,
Oh come on now Bob. I certainly wasn't taking any cheap shots at you.
I simply said that I find the back and forth comments between you and
Ron about Aldora to be tiresome. That's a fact and I merely expressed
my opinion. It's also a fact that, for some odd reason, I miss the
Doctor. None of those comments were overly harsh toward you. I was
joking about your socks. Lighten up and take a deep breath. You're too
serious. What happened to your sense of humor ??