What is wrong with Paul Lutus?
J D Silva
I hate to make assumptions, but... see much daylight???
Paul Lutus
wanted to discuss, about a particular thread?
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J D Silva wrote in message <7f9b8q$kga$1...@news1.mts.net>...
JDWTopGuy
David M. Cook
>Every dam post from that guy is a flame, why is that?
He's often very helpful to people asking on-topic questions.
>I hate to make assumptions, but... see much daylight???
Where your head is I can't imagine you see much yourself.
Dave Cook
Paul Lutus
Physician, heal thyself. By revealing privileged information, you have just
lost the right to criticize anyone for anything.
Get your own act together, and find out what are acceptable behaviors in a
newsgroup.
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JDWTopGuy wrote in message <19990417083308...@ng-fa1.aol.com>...
>Yeah lut...@arachnoid.com.
Steven Musumeche
posted in which I used the proper procedure as described in the FAQ. He
also helps every other poster who asks an appropriate question to this
newsgroup.
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J D Silva wrote in message <7f9b8q$kga$1...@news1.mts.net>...
>Every dam post from that guy is a flame, why is that?
>
Kaz Kylheku
>
>I hate to make assumptions, but... see much daylight???
I don't recall having seen an *undeserved* flame coming out of Mr. Lutus.
Richard Heathfield
I do. But they're rare. Sometimes he shoots from the hip. But usually he
aims carefully and hits the spot.
To the OP: you are defining 'every' quite loosely here.
Paul's responses can be (non-exhaustively) categorised thus:
a) question about C, no code.
"Post your code." I reckon that's fair enough.
b) question covered in the FAQs.
"Read the FAQs". Equally fair.
c) question about Fortran or stock-market predictions.
"Off-topic. Please try one of the following newsgroups." Still fair.
d) question about C, code posted.
Useful help provided. Frequently correct, sometimes not.
e) assignment posted. No code.
"Go do your own homework, you lazy SOB." I'm with him on that one.
So what exactly is your problem with all this? I view Paul as the bulldog of
the group. He often saves me the trouble of writing a "This is outside the
remit of comp.lang.c - try newsgroup nnnn.xxxx.yyyy" posting. And
occasionally he manages to do it in quite an entertaining way.
James Pluck
>Paul's responses can be (non-exhaustively) categorised thus:
>
>a) question about C, no code.
> "Post your code." I reckon that's fair enough.
>b) question covered in the FAQs.
> "Read the FAQs". Equally fair.
>c) question about Fortran or stock-market predictions.
> "Off-topic. Please try one of the following newsgroups." Still fair.
>d) question about C, code posted.
> Useful help provided. Frequently correct, sometimes not.
>e) assignment posted. No code.
> "Go do your own homework, you lazy SOB." I'm with him on that one.
For myself I have always found Paul's posts extremely helpful. I have also
noticed that in most cases he redirects politely and accurately - I have
been redirected a number of times myself. Replies along the lines of RTF
are very relevant and are usually accompanied by the location of said FAQ.
For the topics that are On topic and reasonable Paul will always supply
concise clear suggestions or code snippets.
But I fully agree with some of his comments about off-topic postings. In a
newsgroups this size it is very necessary to keep the signal to noise ratio
low so that the genuine questions can be answered. This isn't a group to do
peoples homework. We have all had to go through the process of learning the
language (and still are going through this process) and a student is NOT
going to learn anything significant if someone else does all the work! It
would be a very sad day for the industry if the graduates from the schools
hit the streets with not a single piece of knowledge about the language
except to ask in here? One must do one's own work after all.
Just my 2^H5 cents worth :)
James Pluck
Ed
:
: Did you have an on-topic inquiry? Or -- did you have a specific
problem you
: wanted to discuss, about a particular thread?
Paul is an AI program, it parses your post, checks for source,
checks ANSI syntax, weighs up the post on do decide how many
of the newsgroup no-no's the post breaks and then informs the
poster of the various criteria their post failed on.
Of course mistakes do happen and the odd C++ answer can crop up
because Pauk also scans comp.lang.c++.
Because Paul has the facility to compile and evaluate sources
posted here he will complain about source snippets that
do not come in a compilable form.
This post is a routine check to see if Paul is still running
it has no useful source, no question marks and has a few operating
system
specific keywords like DOS, WINDOWS, GRAPHICS and hardware.
#include <stdio.h>
int main(void)
{
printf("Tongue firmly in cheek, Paul\n");
return 0;
}
Ed Hill
Paul Lutus
before breakfast, or late at night, I might not pass for human ...
But compared to the average poster ... Oh, don't get me started! :)
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Ed wrote in message <371B80...@gec.nospam.com>...
<snip>
Michael Powe
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>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Heathfield <ric...@eton.powernet.co.uk> writes:
Richard> Kaz Kylheku wrote in message ...
>> On Sat, 17 Apr 1999 01:54:09 -0500, J D Silva
>> <no...@available.yet> wrote:
>>> Every dam post from that guy is a flame, why is that?
>>>
>>> I hate to make assumptions, but... see much daylight???
>> I don't recall having seen an *undeserved* flame coming out of
>> Mr. Lutus.
Richard> I do. But they're rare. Sometimes he shoots from the
Richard> hip. But usually he aims carefully and hits the spot.
Richard> To the OP: you are defining 'every' quite loosely here.
Richard> Paul's responses can be (non-exhaustively) categorised
Richard> thus:
Richard> a) question about C, no code. "Post your code." I reckon
Richard> that's fair enough.
Richard> b) question covered in the FAQs.
Richard> "Read the FAQs". Equally fair. c) question about Fortran
Richard> or stock-market predictions. "Off-topic. Please try one
Richard> of the following newsgroups." Still fair. d) question
Richard> about C, code posted. Useful help provided. Frequently
Richard> correct, sometimes not. e) assignment posted. No code.
Richard> "Go do your own homework, you lazy SOB." I'm with him on
Richard> that one.
You forgot
f) ridicules the language skills of posters for whom English is a
second language.
g) responds to beginners' questions with code only an advanced student
could understand.
h) responds to questions about C with C++ code.
In a newsgroup, it's best to avoid the Cult of Personality. When
people don't get along, they should just stay away from each other. I
got on Mr. Lutus' bad side by taking issue with the way he was
ridiculing someone. Now I know that every time I post a question, he
will ridicule me. That's life. The knowledge of that fact probably
serves a useful function in that it keeps me from posting more than
the occasional question, as I don't care much for the experience of
his "help." Fortunately, I don't do C++ so 90% of what he posts would
be of no use to me, even were I inclined to read it.
mp
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jpa...@my-dejanews.com
> Hey, I wonder if I might fail the Turing test on a bad day? Who knows -
> before breakfast, or late at night, I might not pass for human ...
So tell me, how long have you been I wonder if I might fail the Turing test
on a bad day?
Regards,
Eliza :)
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Richard Heathfield
<86wvz9u...@trollope.org>...
> You forgot
>
> f) ridicules the language skills of posters for whom English is a
> second language.
I disagree. To correct someone's English is not to ridicule them. I
occasionally (/very/ occasionally) post corrections to the English of
people like Stephan Wilms, for whom (I believe) English is not his first
language. Nevertheless, his English is excellent. If it wasn't, I wouldn't
bother trying to help him make it even more excellent. That does not count
as ridicule. Paul Lutus's corrections are not as frequent as you imply, and
I do not recall ever seeing him ridiculing anyone who didn't deserve it.
Those-with-English-as-a-second-language do not qualify as 'deserving it' -
regrettably, many of those for whom English is their /first/ language are
incapable of using it with as much skill as
those-with-English-as-a-second-language. It's sometimes very tempting to
take a rise out of such people. It may not be an admirable trait, but it's
certainly understandable.
>
> g) responds to beginners' questions with code only an advanced student
> could understand.
...which frequently has little bug-ettes, too! :-)
This is actually a fair criticism IMHO.
> h) responds to questions about C with C++ code.
YES! Paul, are you listening? <g>
>
> In a newsgroup, it's best to avoid the Cult of Personality. When
> people don't get along, they should just stay away from each other. I
> got on Mr. Lutus' bad side by taking issue with the way he was
> ridiculing someone. Now I know that every time I post a question, he
> will ridicule me. That's life. The knowledge of that fact probably
> serves a useful function in that it keeps me from posting more than
> the occasional question, as I don't care much for the experience of
> his "help." Fortunately, I don't do C++ so 90% of what he posts would
> be of no use to me, even were I inclined to read it.
Why not just *plonk* him then? Don't let a personality clash prevent you
from using the group in a normal and civilised way. (Whoops, that sounded
too much like a diktat. Sorry.)
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The bug stops here.
Paul Lutus
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jpa...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
<7fieia$44d$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
John Rixon
: I disagree. To correct someone's English is not to ridicule them. I
: occasionally (/very/ occasionally) post corrections to the English of
: people like Stephan Wilms, for whom (I believe) English is not his first
: language. Nevertheless, his English is excellent. If it wasn't, I wouldn't
: bother trying to help him make it even more excellent.
``If it wasn't''?!? What kind of construct is that?! For crying out loud
Richard, your grasp of English grammar is absolutely appalling! Please
don't make vain attempts to correct other posters' usage of the language,
when you yourself abuse it in such a heinously scandalous and erroneous
fashion. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!!!
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Richard Heathfield
might fail the Turing test on a bad day?
Paul Lutus <nos...@nosite.com> wrote in article
<Th4T2.10368$kG6.3...@news2.giganews.com>...
> Hmm. Methinks this might not be a human posting to me. But who knows?
>
Richard Heathfield
<7fipo7$jb1$1...@news.ox.ac.uk>...
[Shamefaced grin] - if it WEREN'T for my sense of humoUr, I might be
offended. :-)
(For the benefit of those who do not recognise the idiom "pot calling the
kettle black", it refers to hypocrisy.)
/me wanders into the distance, muttering "amo, amas, amat, amamus, amatis,
amant! amo, amas, amat, ..."
/quit Time to brush up on my second language...
Paul Lutus
Tell me, did your analyst ask that you speak about "Tell me more about not
be a human posting to how long have you been if I might fail the Turing test
on a bad day?"?
</Eliza-topic>
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Richard Heathfield wrote in message <01be8b74$49b94b60$73053cc3@arc14>...
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Ben Pfaff
Tell me, did your analyst ask that you speak about "Tell me more about not
be a human posting to how long have you been if I might fail the Turing test
on a bad day?"?
Is it because I speak about tell you more about not be a human posting
to how long have I am if you might fail the turing test on a bad day
that you came to me?
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Michael Powe
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>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Heathfield <comp...@eton.powernet.co.uk> writes:
Richard> Michael Powe <michae...@trollope.org> wrote in article
Richard> <86wvz9u...@trollope.org>...
>> You forgot
>>
>> f) ridicules the language skills of posters for whom English is
>> a second language.
Richard> I disagree. To correct someone's English is not to
Richard> ridicule them. I occasionally (/very/ occasionally) post
The most recent example of Mr. Lutus' tendency in this direction was
his response to Folkert Meeuw's request for help with regard to
arguments `overgiven' to main.
>> g) responds to beginners' questions with code only an advanced
>> student could understand.
Richard> ...which frequently has little bug-ettes, too! :-)
Richard> This is actually a fair criticism IMHO.
>> h) responds to questions about C with C++ code.
Richard> YES! Paul, are you listening? <g>
>> In a newsgroup, it's best to avoid the Cult of Personality.
>> When people don't get along, they should just stay away from
>> each other. I got on Mr. Lutus' bad side by taking issue with
>> the way he was ridiculing someone. Now I know that every time
>> I post a question, he will ridicule me. That's life. The
>> knowledge of that fact probably serves a useful function in
>> that it keeps me from posting more than the occasional
>> question, as I don't care much for the experience of his
>> "help." Fortunately, I don't do C++ so 90% of what he posts
>> would be of no use to me, even were I inclined to read it.
Richard> Why not just *plonk* him then? Don't let a personality
Richard> clash prevent you from using the group in a normal and
Richard> civilised way. (Whoops, that sounded too much like a
Richard> diktat. Sorry.)
I know, it's kind of dumb. In about 9 years of 'netting, I've
kill-filed three people. It's an extreme measure for me & so far,
I've reserved it for people who are really over the line. Let's face
it, if we expunged every person in a newsgroup who annoyed us, we'd
soon have a mighty small discussion. Paul Lutus may be annoying, but
I haven't concluded that he's departed the human race.
mp
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Michael Powe
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>>>>> "Ben" == Ben Pfaff <pfaf...@pilot.msu.edu> writes:
Ben> "Paul Lutus" <nos...@nosite.com> writes: Tell me, did your
Ben> analyst ask that you speak about "Tell me more about not be a
Ben> human posting to how long have you been if I might fail the
Ben> Turing test on a bad day?"?
Ben> Is it because I speak about tell you more about not be a
Ben> human posting to how long have I am if you might fail the
Ben> turing test on a bad day that you came to me?
Is it because of the turing test that you say paul lutus?
mp
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Richard Stamp
>I know, it's kind of dumb. In about 9 years of 'netting, I've
>kill-filed three people. It's an extreme measure for me & so far,
>I've reserved it for people who are really over the line.
I used to see it as an extreme, violent and, most importantly, rude measure,
which I wouldn't use except on people I seriously disliked and didn't mind
offending. Recently I've had a bit of a paradigm shift here -- I've
realised that killfiling someone (unannounced) isn't like ignoring them when
they're trying to talk to you in a room. It's more like throwing away a
load of junk mail that comes through your door.
At the end of the day, if A killfiles B it only affects A. (If everyone
killfiles B then it might affect B, but there's no danger of that in this
case.) It doesn't necessarily even imply a criticism of B, e.g. I'd
probably killfile someone who only ever posted "take this elsewhere"
messages even though I believe that's a valuable service to the group. So
if B's presence in the newsgroup has an overall negative effect on you or
just generally wastes your time -- *plonk*, and the end of the matter.
Cheers
Richard
jpa...@my-dejanews.com
Paul Lutus wrote:
> Hmm. Methinks this might not be a human posting to me. But who knows?
I've been called worse, tough guy :)
> jpa...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
> <7fieia$44d$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> >Paul Lutus wrote:
> >> Hey, I wonder if I might fail the Turing test on a bad day? Who knows -
> >> before breakfast, or late at night, I might not pass for human ...
> >
> >So tell me, how long have you been I wonder if I might fail the Turing test
> >on a bad day?
> >