Hey Jupiter lyrics
Connie Deighan
sebas...@aol.com (Sebastian5) writes:
> Every time I hear this, I swear to god, I know it's probably not about
> this, but I think it's rather sexual. The ing about soaking wet...boots
> meaning, maybe, rubbers....I don't know, I think I'm just undersexed or
> something. :)
hmm...i never thought of it that way.
i always thought it was about dealing with and finally losing someone
who's close to you/next to you/almost takes over you. i've had
boyfriends like that, where what i wanted and what he wanted became
one thing.
in other news, does anyone know what "Cornflake Girl" is about? i
thought i knew, and then a friend told me soemthing different and now
i'm a little confused.
* Thwomp! * Connie * go play in the rain *
"i used to think my life was an after school special,
now i know its an Aaron Spelling drama"
Kevin Sullivan
Deighan <thw...@andrew.cmu.edu>' wrote:
>in other news, does anyone know what "Cornflake Girl" is about? i
>thought i knew, and then a friend told me soemthing different and now
>i'm a little confused.
Cornflake Girl is based on an Alice Walker book about female genital
mutilation...
-Kevin-
Crow...@usa.pipeline.com
fastrada
--
> Cornflake Girl is based on an Alice Walker book about female genital
> mutilation...
"seems we got a cheaper feel now, all the sweeties are gone..."
oh god, i don't even want to go into the mental images i have now.
owwwwwwwwwch!
fastrada, who now thinks she understands guys' instinctive cringing when
seeing or hearing about another guy getting kicked in the balls.
Janet Herman
and the relationship that she has with herself when she's not ina
relationship, not about her relationship with someone else....my favorite
lines are:
"thought i knew myself so well
all the dolls I had
took my leather off the shelf
your apocalypse was fab
for a girl
who couldn't choose between
the shower or the bath..."
I love that because i totally understand what she means...you think you;
re just a normal girl and then you're amazed at the sexual power you can
possess...and the reference to "leather" just love it.
yeah, what is "cornflake girl about?" i'm still stumped...i figured it's
about being different and smart but i'm not sure.
janet
Connie Deighan
fastrada <fast...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
> Kevin Sullivan wrote:
> --
> > Cornflake Girl is based on an Alice Walker book about female genital
> > mutilation...
>
>
> "seems we got a cheaper feel now, all the sweeties are gone..."
> oh god, i don't even want to go into the mental images i have now.
> owwwwwwwwwch!
wow, thats weird becuase i was just reading some material in the
library on female genital mutilation. it's high on my nasty no no
list.
*shiver*
Anna Marie Barkdoll
> mutilation...
> Crow...@usa.pipeline.com
Female genital mutilation???? Where did that come from? Maybe I'm
missing something *big* in the song... but I like the interpretation by
Morty at http://members.aol.com/jenray1/morty.htm (towards the middle of
the page).
I think it makes sense, and it's a lot less painful... Morty thinks it is
about the relationship between two female friends. One leaves the "raisin
girls" (interesting people) for the "popular", yet shallow crowd of
"cornflake girls". This explains the feeling of betrayal, "She's gone to
the other side..." and the reference to Watch Word, which is a code used
in war time for distinguishing friends from enemies. Its about how awful
it is to have a female friend, the one you are supposedly able to trust,
leave you. His interpretation made a lot of sense to me, I think its
worth reading.
Anna
- who decided to jump in without any real introduction :)
Michael Lester
to the CD. As soon as I sent the message and was listening to it that
night and realized my mistake. Again, I apologize for being stupid.
> beni...@ix.netcom.com(Ed Benintendi) wrote in article
<4qsm6f$n...@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com>...
>
> I love that part too... but I believe it's "If my heart's soaking wet,
> boy your boots can leave a mess." ;)
The Void
cornflake girls being a wayto describe 'flaky' shallow girls
I listened to it, thinking about female genital mutilation and it
just didn't make any sense
But I wonder, if Tori knows all the levels her music can recieved
on----Like, she wrote it about female genital mutilation, but at
the same time wrote it so that it could be interpreted on that
friend desertion level
Plus, doesn't it seem kind of happy or a little irreverent to be
about such a horrible thing? I don't think Tori is that
insensitive
This is an example of why I don't like to hear intrepretations or
meanings behind songs ( even by tori herself )
Because I identified with the meaning i got out of it, being a
raisin girl my whole life
thinking this post was a good solution
Jackie
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"then i'll have to settle for half a dozen"-Cruella De Vil
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"it's across the sky and across my heart and i cross my legs o my god first my
left foot then my right behind the other..."Tori Amos
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Le Revenant
: I always thought it was about that too-
: cornflake girls being a wayto describe 'flaky' shallow girls
: I listened to it, thinking about female genital mutilation and it
: just didn't make any sense
"Seems we got a cheaper feel now. all the sweeties are gone"
(clitirodectomy)
"This is not really happening...You bet your life it is." (this does
indeed occur----right now in Turkey, in fact)
"Things are getting kind of gross. And I go at sleepy time." (What's
happening is sick and bloody, and she's called away at bedtime for the
"operation")
There are also quotes demonstrating how these girls were betrayed by a
woman who allowed this mutilation to happen.
"They must've paid her a nice price. She's puttin' on her stringbean
love."
Dan, who likes the genital mutiliation interp because it's just shivery
and grotesque. Creepy that it's a "danceable" tune, as well.
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Le Revenant
: their daughters off to be butchered. Another reference to the book is
: made in "Blood Roses."
Really? Where?
Dan.
Angela Reid
: > Cornflake Girl is based on an Alice Walker book about female genital
: > mutilation...
: > -Kevin-
: > Crow...@usa.pipeline.com
: Female genital mutilation???? Where did that come from? Maybe I'm
: missing something *big* in the song... but I like the interpretation by
: Morty at http://members.aol.com/jenray1/morty.htm (towards the middle of
: the page).
Well, Tori has specifically mentioned Walker's book. But Cornflake Girl
has more going on than that.
Article time. : ) Oh, boy!
TORI DEFINES CORNFLAKENICITY:
(Re: journalists who slant)
TORI: What I remember is spending three hours with someone for an
interview and you've gotten to know them a little bit and talked about
intimate things and tried to be open. Then you've read what they've
written and you think, God, this is not where I was. You feel really
invaded. You think, Well, that is a Cornflake Girl. People want to know
what a Cornflake Girl is? That journo right there.
"Q" 5/94 HIPS. TITS. LIPS. POWER.
"`Violence between women isn't really looked at or talked about, how we
treat each other,'' Amos mused. `` `Cornflake Girl' is about the shock of
the betrayal...."
VIRGINIAN-PILOT (Norfolk, VA) (VP) - 7/27/94
Take "Cornflake Girl" from her
new Atlantic album Under The Pink. The song's whimsical mentions of
"cornflake girls" and "raisin girls" may have you thinking Amos is a
veritable fruitloop. But the song, based on Alice Walker's book
"Possessing the Secret," is anything but ingenious.
"It talks about how the mothers took their daughters to the butchers
to have their genitalia removed. Even though it may be instituted by the
patriarchal group in the culture, it's very telling that the monsters were
the ones that took this away from the daughters. When I just started to
feel what that made me feel like," Amos sighs, "I started to really have
to deal with my illusion of the sisterhood. I mean, we all likc to think
that only guys can do something likc that, but we can be very, very vicious
and we have to be responsible as women for the fact that we've got a lot of
blame going on. We blame each other, we blame men, we take very little
responsibility for what we've created."
Tori Amos: Holding Hands With Violence
"I really started looking into these relationships between women,
and how we treat each other. Originally 'Cornflake Girl' was influenced
by Alice Walker's Possessing the Secret of Joy. The part in it that
really nailed me was where the mothers take the daughters to the butchers
to have their genitalia removed."
A collective wince fills the room. Ritual mutilation still exists
in this day and age.
"Just reading that it's so... forget about the act for a minute and
consider that your mother..." she breathes.
To think that the person you trust more then anyone in your life
would do that...
Tori nods. "You trust them. And to think that a woman, whose been
mutilated herself, to take you to become mutilated, she's been through it and
this is all in the name of what's best for you."
We absorb this for a few seconds until Tori continues. "And it's
not the fathers that take the girls, that's the thing. You see the lack
of responsibility again. And the deepest betrayal. And again, we're
talking about division. I'm not a shrink, but I do think there are common
truths. And when your mother is saying one thing and yet it is the worst
thing that can be done to your physical body, that has to be a genetic
memory, that had to be passed down. When I read it, I was just raging..."
as she curls her small fists and clutches them by her head. "This hadn't
happened to me, I hadn't had this betrayal by my mother, yet the feeling
of women doing this to women: I was truly in agony! And I understood what
Alice was trying to do in writing it: it's we're not looking at how we
betray each other and what our responsibility is. We have to look at is
the hurt from that experience.
"But now it is in insidious ways. We're still doing it emotionally,
and yet we're not looking at 'wait a minute, why are we hurting each
other?' Competitiveness, and most of the time it's withholding, not being
able to say 'you did a good job,' thus making another woman doubt herself
by what you don't say."
(Later, discussing the women who didn't understand Lorena Bobbit's
revenge on her husband, the interviewer, Sandra, says: "The frightening
thing is there are many women who can't accept what she did as a
deep-rooted rage. She didn't kill him: that would have been so easy, for
her to plunge that knife into his heart. But she took her rage out on
the part of his body that she associated with her pain. Many women can't
handle that principal and that confuses me.")
Tori fixes me with a triumphant look, slowly declaring, "Do you know why,
Sandra? Because they are cornflake girls. And there you have it! If
anybody asks me what a cornflake girl is, there they are," she
gestures. "They're wearing their flakes shamelessly. And again,
there's that sense of betrayal. It's not the men that bug me, it's the
women who don't understand. It goes back to they can't look at the rage
inside themselves. They can't look at the part of them that also has
violated other women."
ARTICLE UNIDENTIFIED
It's based on the Alice Walker book. The women that I wrote it about
were people who I thought I knew. Then, all of a sudden, my jaw is on the
floor going, "No, she didn't do this; she didn't say this; she doesn't
mean this." It reminds me of when you talk about reality over and over on
your record. Instead of, "Well, let me see their higher self," it's, "No,
honey, I don't want to see their higher self; I want to see--"
SB: Who the fuck they really are!
TA: Yeah! Not potential behavior, but where they are choosing to stand
right now.
Interview v24 p96(8) August, 1994
Bob: Want to talk about "Cornflake Girl?"
Tori: Yeah. This song... I read _Possessing_the_Secret_of_Joy_, Alice
Walker. And the way that the mothers sold the daughters to the butchers
to have their genitaila removed. I... people are listening to this
going, "Oh my God! Can't she, like, have a twinkie and get over it?"
Well... but this stuff isn't... it's not negative to me or sad. It's a
very safe place to be able to talk about this stuff and also have a
laugh. And we have a laugh during the record. There are moments of...
maybe it's a sick little laugh, but, you know, it's a laugh nonetheless.
And it's very freeing. Again, it's betrayal of women with women. I
mean, guys can be pretty brutal. We all can be to each other. But women
towards women is a pretty ugly thing. And it's done mostly in secret.
So "Cornflake" is just the shock of, "She's gone to the other side. This
is getting kind of gross. And I go it's sleepy time. This is not really
happening. You bet your life it is."
from Tea with the Waitress
After I read Possessing the Secret of Joy by Alice Walker, about how
mothers sold their daughters to the butchers; that kind of floored me.
One always feels safer when there are good guys and bad ones. But there
are no good guys out there. And it's not as if one sex can make it okay.
Now with Cornflake Girl, the idea was that I always had this sisterhood
and it was just blown to bits. I was betrayed by someone, a girlfriend,
who gave me a pretty shitty deal. Her opinion was, I'm a shit--it depends on
whose table it is that you're having arsenic at. I think the
disappointment of being betrayed by a woman is way heavier than being
betrayed by a man; we expect it from you guys. It hurts, but I'm not
shocked.
The New Review of Records 1994 (UTP Review)
T: I read the Alice Walker book, _Possessing the Secret of Joy_, and
there's umm, in that book, the mothers take the daughters to the butchers
to have their, let's say their genitalia removed. And even though it's a
patriarchal culture that she's talking about, and that this custom was
put into practice a long, long time ago by the patriarchy, it's the
_mothers_ that take their daughters. And, what I was singing about was,
it's funny how from generation to generation women really betray each
other in the ladies' room. There is a whole secret society that happens,
and a lot of times a mother will say "I'm doing this for your good"
whether it was binding the feet in the Eastern cultures or whether it's
marrying your daughter to this gangrene, smelly-breathed, old, decrepit,
rotting scumbag that's 80 years old with dough. "You know, this is
really the best for you," when the truth is, it's the best for everybody
else. And, that's an extreme of women's relationships brought to just
like, your girlfriend that you're hanging out with, but betrayal is
betrayal, and I was thrown in to many situations as I was reading that
book where girls, my girls, we were just dissin' each other. The things
that we were doing, umm, it's like I would have never imagined that we
could be so unsupportive of each other, and it was just happening while I
was reading this book, and "Cornflake Girl" is the betrayal really of girls.
from 99X interview 9/5/94. (transc. Jason Watts)
I've written a song called 'God' [single released in America.
January 1994] about patriarchal reliegion, and how it's just fucked the
whole thing up. Basically I say to Him, 'You know, you need a babe and
I've got nothing to do Tuesday and Thursday this week!' lt's unacceptable
in how it's affected people. And it isn't just women who've been
affected. Men have had to cut out a whole part of themselves too, which
is why we have to deal with all that shit from our boyfriends! Men and
women are going to have to recognise the female energy that we've cut out.
'Cornflake Girl' [single released in Britian, January 1994] deals
with it too. There's a book by Alice Walker called Possessing the Secret
of Joy, and it's about mothers taking their daughters to the butcher to
have their genitalia removed. That's what the song is about too. It's
like cutting a penis off. Now if we lined all the boys up and cut their
penises off, I don't think it would be lunch as usual! I think they'd
have something to say about it, and yet the mothers are the ones that
take the daughters to do this! Obviously the whole society is involved,
but when is a generation of women going to rise up, not to fight, not to
war, but to honour themselves and each other?
Women, Sex And Rock 'N' Roll - In Their Own Words
Take "Cornflake Girl" from her
new Atlantic album Under The Pink. The song's whimsical mentions of
"cornflake girls" and "raisin girls" may have you thinking Amos is a
veritable fruitloop. But the song, based on Alice Walker's book
"Possessing the Secret," is anything but ingenious.
"It talks about how the mothers took their daughters to the butchers
to have their genitalia removed. Even though it may be instituted by the
patriarchal group in the culture, it's very telling that the monsters were
the ones that took this away from the daughters. When I just started to
feel what that made me feel like," Amos sighs, "I started to really have
to deal with my illusion of the sisterhood. I mean, we all likc to think
that only guys can do something likc that, but we can be very, very vicious
and we have to be responsible as women for the fact that we've got a lot of
blame going on. We blame each other, we blame men, we take very little
responsibility for what we've created."
Axcess 2:2
Michelle Rittel
>Ed Benintendi (beni...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>: their daughters off to be butchered. Another reference to the book is
>: made in "Blood Roses."
>Really? Where?
The whole "when chickens get a taste of your meat" part. After the
women were mutilated, the pieces were dumped outside where the
chickens could eat them. Read the section of the book dealing with
female genital mutilation and it will make more sense.
Michelle
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Karen, Goddess of the Groove
[Cornflake Girl]
> Plus, doesn't it seem kind of happy or a little irreverent to be
> about such a horrible thing? I don't think Tori is that
> insensitive
I tend to view the song as being really bitter. It seems really jaunty to
me, not exactly happy, tho.
-Karen, "passing bells and sculpted angels..."
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don't blame ME for making you a girl talk to your father about that - my mom
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Elusis
In article <4qv29o$3...@news1.t1.usa.pipeline.com>,
Kevin Sullivan <crow...@usa.pipeline.com> wrote:
>On Jun 27, 1996 17:14:58 in article <Re: Hey Jupiter lyrics>, 'Connie
>Deighan <thw...@andrew.cmu.edu>' wrote:
>
>>in other news, does anyone know what "Cornflake Girl" is about? i
>>thought i knew, and then a friend told me soemthing different and now
>>i'm a little confused.
>--
>mutilation...
Tori has said this was on her mind when writing the song, but I think it's
being too literal to try to see this in the lyrics.
IMO, the song is about how women are competitive with each other to the
point of alienation. I think the song relates to "Waitress" - "all the
Sweet-Eaze are gone, gone to the other side" makes me think that the
waitress stole all Tori's sweetner packets from her tables so now Tori has
to re-fill them all. But basically, to me the song is about cliques -
"Cornflake girls" - and losing a friend to a clique, or being unpopular
because you decide not to play the whole competitive game. The feelings
she describes, "Things are getting kind of gross/and I go at sleepytime,
'this is not really... happening'", are exactly the feelings I had when my
friends abandoned me my senior year in college. It's about a friend who
knows she's hurting you by defecting "to the other side" but does it
anyway.
Elusis
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> fastrada, who now thinks she understands guys' instinctive cringing when
> seeing or hearing about another guy getting kicked in the balls.
It's not just a cringe, we all get the same "sick to your stomach"
feeling deep inside when we see it happen. Blech...
Donovan Chase (dch...@binx.mbhs.edu)
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Faerie007
I heard the same thing but it was a bit more eloquently stated. Has
anyone actually read that book?
faerie007
Python King
>>what is "cornflake girl about?" i'm still stumped...i
>>figured it's
>>about being different and smart but i'm not sure.
I think Cornflake girl is about cliques and social gangs. She
uses the metaphor of raisin girls to represent the sweet and
tender girls and cornflake girls to represent the rowdy ones. She
then descibes how she only ahngs with the raisin girls, not that
she enjoys or connects with them, but because she is afraid will
happen if she doesn't. There are also some refrences to pimps i
think:
"And the man w/ the golden gun
thinks he knows so much.."
That's how i interpreted it anyways
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Joe Marcelo
A reference to pimps? I think it's a reference to James Bond :)
Joe.
Colin Bridges
I think Anna's right. I read an interview on some Tori
archive where Tori explained most of the songs from UtP,
basically saying what Anna said. (like she needs my help, but
hey....kind of like the little guy who stands behind the movers
and shakers yelling "yeah!!! that's right!! ;)
--
Colin Bridges
Impurity
I was told a long time ago that the song "Cornflake Girl" was writter
based upon a book by Alice Walker. Which one it was, I can't remember.
Hope that helped?
ImPuRiTy
tp...@tiac.net
In article <4rptcc$b...@buffnet2.buffnet.net>
impu...@buffnet.net (Impurity) wrote:
The book, that imfamous book. You just want to know do you? Well,
I'll be a good person and look it up for you right now,
Possessing the Secret of Joy by Alice Walker. I'm sure of that one.
Inferno (T.Pham)
tp...@tiac.net
Bruce & Cat
AV...@gnn.com (The Void) elloquently wrote:
>I always thought it was about that too-
>cornflake girls being a wayto describe 'flaky' shallow girls
>I listened to it, thinking about female genital mutilation and it
>just didn't make any sense
>But I wonder, if Tori knows all the levels her music can recieved
>on----Like, she wrote it about female genital mutilation, but at
>the same time wrote it so that it could be interpreted on that
>friend desertion level
>Plus, doesn't it seem kind of happy or a little irreverent to be
>about such a horrible thing? I don't think Tori is that
>insensitive
>This is an example of why I don't like to hear intrepretations or
>meanings behind songs ( even by tori herself )
>Because I identified with the meaning i got out of it, being a
>raisin girl my whole life
Well, actually Tori DIDN'T say (in any of the interviews I read) that
the song was about genital mutilation. What she did say was that the
song was inspired by Alice Walker's Possessing the secret of joy
(which is about that) and that being the mother's who take the
daughters to the butcher, it got her thinking about women betraying
women, and THAT's what the song is about.
Feel free to disagree, but that's what I read...
Cat
Mr. J
impu...@buffnet.net (Impurity) wrote:
>
>
>I was told a long time ago that the song "Cornflake Girl" was writter
>based upon a book by Alice Walker. Which one it was, I can't remember.
>
>Hope that helped?
>
>ImPuRiTy
>
Possessing the Secret of Joy, Alice Walker
Ditto,
Mr. J
the J is for Jethro, but not at the table
Katie Juban
Please read Possesing the Secret of Joy. Everyone should read it,
especially if they are a) a woman; b) a Tori fan; or c) endowed with
a brain. You don't have to like it, but it's certainly eye-opening.
Sheds some light on the "When chickens get a taste of your meat" line
from Blood Roses, as well as the gisst of Cornflake Girl, although
the actual subject of CfG is farther removed from the plot of the
book than is the aforementioned line from Blood Roses.
-Kaite