Herbal teas
Julie Baker
parsley) in an attempt to limit my caffeine intake. On the second day of
drinking these teas I started having mild stomach aches directly after
drinking it. I had no more than two cups per day, in succession, and I was
wondering in what way this is related. I stopped drinking it and Voila! No
more stomach aches! I still would rather drink herbal teas than regular tea
or coffee, though. Would this effect eventually lessen or am I trying the
wrong stuff?
Jules
Todd A. Reid
: I recently bought some herbal teas (rosemary leaf, blueberry leaf, and
: Jules
I have had the same problem with red clover tea. Is there something you
can add to remove the effect? Or are there just certain herbs which tend
to cause this effect and should be avoided?
Todd
T.J. Riddell
In article <2ocsdp$8...@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>, tr...@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Todd A. Reid) writes:
> I have had the same problem with red clover tea. Is there something you
> can add to remove the effect? Or are there just certain herbs which tend
> to cause this effect and should be avoided?
I have only just started drinking herbal teas. I have discovered some
undesirable effects from drinking 'Apple Magic' (London Herb and Spice Company).
Someone at work thinks it may be the cinnamon it contains.
Does anyone have any comments on this?
Toby
(The complete list of ingredients are: apple, hibiscus, rosehips, natural and
nature identical apple flavourings, cinnamon, camomile, citric acid.)
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Lee A Rabe
>> I have had the same problem with red clover tea. Is there something you
>> can add to remove the effect? Or are there just certain herbs which tend
>> to cause this effect and should be avoided?
I know that red clover is often considered a "woman's" herb -- that
is, it helps to condition and tone the uterus. That *might* be
the source of some of the cramping for the women who posted about
problems.
The only other thing I can find about clover is that the plant
itself can be hard to digest.
Lee Ann
Taliesin
: Lee Ann
Greetings! Might I suggest for those who wish to drink herbal tea
instead of coffee in the morning to avoid caffine that you try either
peppermint or cinnamon tea. Of course if you don't mind spending more,
Clestial Seasonings puts out a tea called "Morning Thunder" which I believe
has no caffine at all.
Enjoy!
Lee Levine aka Wind-Rider aka tali...@indirect.com
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|> In article <2ofok6$8...@herald.indirect.com> tali...@indirect.com (Taliesin) writes:
|>
|> Greetings! Might I suggest for those who wish to drink herbal tea
|> instead of coffee in the morning to avoid caffine that you try either
|> peppermint or cinnamon tea. Of course if you don't mind spending more,
|> Clestial Seasonings puts out a tea called "Morning Thunder" which I
|> believe has no caffine at all.
|>
|> you should be drinking. This is actually a high caffine beverage, higher
|> than regular black tea. (And yes, I know that tea doesn't actually have
|> caffine, but the related chemical seems to mimic it very well) Morning
|> Thunder is made with Mate', and is quite good, but I can't drink it
|> every day.
|>
|> Generally green teas have less caffine than black teas and black tea
|> has about half the caffine of coffee.
|>
|> There are many different herbal "teas" made of vastly different
|> ingredients. I personally recomennd the cinnamon-cardamom mix made
|> by the Republic of Tea. This is actually a spice mix rather than an
|> herb mix, and is quite wonderful.
|>
|> eric
Here are some excerpts from the alt.caffeine FAQ I lifted out of alt.coffee
recently. The "is there caffeine in tea?" question is included; the
pronuciation of mate is given in the faq but no information other than that it
does contain caffeine.
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According to the National Soft Drink Association, the following is the
caffeine content in mgs per 12 oz can of soda:
Jolt 100.0
[delitia]
7 Up 0
By means of comparison, a 7 oz cup of coffee has the following caffeine (mg)
amounts, according to Bunker and McWilliams in _J Am Diet_ 74:28-32, 1979:
Drip 115-175
Espresso 100mg of caffeine 1 serving (1.5-2oz)
Brewed 80-135
Instant 65-100
Decaf, brewed 3-4
Decaf, instant 2-3
tea, iced (12 ozs.) 70
tea, brewed, imported 60
tea, brewed, U.S. 40
tea, instant 30
The variability in the amount of caffeine in a cup of coffee or tea is huge
even if prepared by the same person using the same equipment and ingredients
day after day.
Ref.
Variability in caffeine consumption from coffee and tea: Possible
significance for epidemiological studies by B. Stavric, R. Klassen, B.
Watkinson, K. Karpinski, R. Stapley, and P. Fried in "Foundations of
Chemical Toxicology", Volume 26, number 2, pp. 111-118, 1988
and an easy to read overview, Looking for the Perfect Brew by S.
Eisenberg, "Science News", Volume 133, April 16, 1988, pp. 252-253.
Quote from the lab manual:
Caffeine is present in tea leaves and in coffee to the extent of about 4%.
Tea also contains two other alkaloids, theobromine and theophylline.
These last two relax the smooth muscles where caffeine stimulates the
heart and respiratory systems.
Steve Dyer says:
Theobromine is virtually inactive. Both caffeine and theophylline
stimulate the heart and respiratory systems and relax smooth muscle
(such as in the bronchioles). Theophylline is somewhat more toxic
and somewhat less powerful a CNS stimulant than caffeine, but they
are more similar than different.
Other data on caffeine:
Cup of coffee 90-150mg
Instant coffee 60-80mg
Tea 30-70mg
Cola 30-45mg
Chocolate bar 30mg
Stay-awake pill 100mg
Vivarin 200mg
Cold relief tablet 30mg
...
Guarana soda pop is ubiquitous in Brazil and often available at tropical
groceries here. It's really tasty and packs a wallop. Guarana wakes you
up like crazy, but it doesn't cause coffee jitters.
It is possible that in addition to caffeine, there is some other substance
in guarana that also produces an effect, since it 'feels' different than
coffee. Same goes for mate.
1.3.- Is it true that tea has no caffeine/What is theine, theobromine, etc?
From "Principles of biochemistry", Horton and al, 1993.
Caffeine is sometimes called "theine" when it's in tea. This is probably due
to an ancient misconception that the active constituent is different.
Theophylline is present only in trace amounts. It is more diuretic, more
toxic and less speedy.
Caffeine: 1,3,7-trimethylxanthine
Theophylline: 1,3-dimethylxanthine
Theobromine: 3,7-dimethylxanthine
Coffee and tea contain caffeine and theophylline, respectively, which are me
thylated purine derivatives that inhibit cAMP phosphodiesterase.In the presence
of these inhibitors, the effects of cAMP, and thus the stimulatory effects
of the hormones that lead to its production, are prolonged and intensified.
Theobromine and theophylline are two dimethyxanthines that have two
rather than three methyl groups. Theobromine is considerably weaker
than caffeine and theophylline, having about one tenth the stimulating^?
effect of either.
Theobromine is found in cocoa products, tea (only in very small amounts)
and kola nuts, but is not found in coffee. In cocoa, its concentration
is generally about 7 times as great as caffeine. Although, caffeine
is relatively scarce in cocoa, its mainly because of theobromine that
cocoa is "stimulating"
Theophylline is found in very small amounts in tea, but has a stronger
effect on the heart and breathing than caffeine. It often the drug
of choice in treating asthma bronchitis and emphysema. The theophylline
found in medicine is made from extracts from coffee or tea.
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In a previous article, T.J.R...@newcastle.ac.uk (T.J. Riddell) says:
>
>In article <2ocsdp$8...@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>, tr...@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Todd A. Reid) writes:
>> I have had the same problem with red clover tea. Is there something you
>> can add to remove the effect? Or are there just certain herbs which tend
>> to cause this effect and should be avoided?
>
>I have only just started drinking herbal teas. I have discovered some
>undesirable effects from drinking 'Apple Magic' (London Herb and Spice Company).
>Someone at work thinks it may be the cinnamon it contains.
>
>Does anyone have any comments on this?
>
>Toby
>
>(The complete list of ingredients are: apple, hibiscus, rosehips, natural and
>nature identical apple flavourings, cinnamon, camomile, citric acid.)
It can be very individual. For instance, even the smell of camomile makes me
feel like I am going to throw up. If I were pregnant the apple in the tea
would make me ill. My son could not take the citric acid. Maybe start with
some very simple blends and see what doesn't cause you a problem.
sph
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Jaye Pinterics
>If you are trying to avoid caffine, "Morning Thunder" is not something
>you should be drinking. This is actually a high caffine beverage, higher
>than regular black tea. (And yes, I know that tea doesn't actually have
>caffine, but the related chemical seems to mimic it very well) Morning
>Thunder is made with Mate', and is quite good, but I can't drink it
^^^^
>every day.
My sister brought back a package of "Yerba Mate" from a trip
to Argentina. She said the tea is found everywhere there. Is
this the same herb? What are the characteristics of this herb?
Thanks for any info,
-- jaye
Sandy Vrooman
>> can add to remove the effect? Or are there just certain herbs which tend
>> to cause this effect and should be avoided?
>
>I have only just started drinking herbal teas. I have discovered some
>undesirable effects from drinking 'Apple Magic' (London Herb and Spice Company).
>Someone at work thinks it may be the cinnamon it contains.
>
>nature identical apple flavourings, cinnamon, camomile, citric acid.)
>
heard comes from Chinese Medicine. Bodies run either hot or cold. If you
use herbs that push you further away from center ( to the hot side if you
are hot to the cold side if you are cold) will not be benificial. I run
cold and can't use relaxents because they are cold in nature. I get a
cold in nature headache from camimole and mint teas. This is a headache
in the center of my forhead.
Sandy Vrooman
Debbie Huffman
> In article <EHWD.94Ap...@sherman.pas.rochester.edu> eh...@sherman.pas.ro
> >If you are trying to avoid caffine, "Morning Thunder" is not something
> >you should be drinking. This is actually a high caffine beverage, higher
> >than regular black tea. (And yes, I know that tea doesn't actually have
> >caffine, but the related chemical seems to mimic it very well) Morning
> >Thunder is made with Mate', and is quite good, but I can't drink it
> ^^^^
> >every day.
> My sister brought back a package of "Yerba Mate" from a trip
> to Argentina. She said the tea is found everywhere there. Is
> this the same herb? What are the characteristics of this herb?
> Thanks for any info,
> -- jaye
"Morning Thunder" That Mate' is really excessive stuff. I had switched
to it back in college for the duration of exams, and I got a cumulative
dosage of the stuff. Came down with insomnia and was starting to get
borderline hallucinations. Mild stuff, like seeing things that were not
there in my peripheral vision and the kind of sensations people report
having just before the onset of a migraine.
Makes me wonder about Santeria and the other religions down in Brazil.
Well, *of course* they see spirits if they drink so much Mate'.
I got off caffeine almost 2 years ago (interesting withdrawal, splitting
headache for a full day). I find that just straight peppermint makes a
great morning jumpstart. I also survive on Celestial Seasonings' Mama
Bear's Cold Care. By the time the sinuses come around the rest of me is
not far behind. ;-}
I second that question; is CC's Mate' the same as Yerba Mate?
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Kyra Anagke / Lady Necessity -- Night's Daughter Kermetistoi
Susan Profit
Organization: Eskimo North (206) For-Ever
Hi. Having had an allergic reaction a number of years ago that included
stomach cramps among many others, I avoid foods that give me stomach
cramps. @}->- Tinne ;) Laughter Heals ;D -<-{@
Barzilai Spinak
>jpin...@gdansk.qualcomm.com (Jaye Pinterics) writes:
>> In article <EHWD.94Ap...@sherman.pas.rochester.edu> eh...@sherman.pas.ro
>> ^^^^
>> to Argentina. She said the tea is found everywhere there. Is
>> this the same herb? What are the characteristics of this herb?
>> Thanks for any info,
>> -- jaye
>I believe they are the same. But I really posted in here to talk about
>"Morning Thunder" That Mate' is really excessive stuff. I had switched
>to it back in college for the duration of exams, and I got a cumulative
>dosage of the stuff. Came down with insomnia and was starting to get
>borderline hallucinations. Mild stuff, like seeing things that were not
>there in my peripheral vision and the kind of sensations people report
>having just before the onset of a migraine.
>Makes me wonder about Santeria and the other religions down in Brazil.
>Well, *of course* they see spirits if they drink so much Mate'.
>I got off caffeine almost 2 years ago (interesting withdrawal, splitting
>headache for a full day). I find that just straight peppermint makes a
>great morning jumpstart. I also survive on Celestial Seasonings' Mama
>Bear's Cold Care. By the time the sinuses come around the rest of me is
>not far behind. ;-}
>I second that question; is CC's Mate' the same as Yerba Mate?
I want to get this straight. How should I start...?
First of all, I'm from Uruguay which is probably the country with highest
yerba mate consumption per capita (just a perceived fact, not a serious
statistic). Second, where did they get the spelling mate' ? I've never
seen that. It's accentuated in the first syllable MAH-teh. Maybe they
thought that if they put the accent it sounded more Spanish/exotic/whatever.
Third, the mate is actually the little pumpkin or pot in which you put the
yerba, which is why it's also called yerba mate. You usually say "drink mate"
instead of "drink yerba" but if you want to be picky, you don't dinrk the
mate. (You drink a cup of coffee, but you actually drink the coffee, not the
cup).
(BTW: yerba is a (ancient?) form of hierba which means, of course, herb in
English)
So, I don't know how all of you are drinking it, but I guess it's not the
right (traditional) way. See, it's not like drinking tea. You put the
yerba in the mate and you start by pouring some warm water and let the
leaves absorbe the water, and you repeat until it "swells". Then you start
using the hotter water. This is a process called "cebar el mate". But
I'm not too much of an expert in that. Then, you drink it thorugh a "bombilla"
which is like a metal straw (with a wide bottom with little holes, so you
don't suck the leaves). When you are done with your mate, you pour more
water from a thermos. Then, you may offer it to your friend or whatever.
The thermos is especially important if you are taking a stroll on a sunny
Sunday morning. Mate in one hand, thermos under the other arm. You may want
to wear a beard kind of Che Guevara style if you want to make some political
statement. OK. I'm joking in the last part, but the truth is that in the last
10 years, mate became kind of a political statement in Uruguay when we
were getting out of our former military dictatorship. That's when it became
popular to see people drinking it in the streets. Now, it' losing that
meaning. Anyway, everybody has been drinking mate for a long time in Uruguay,
Argentina, and southern Brazil. I think Chile also. And in Paraguay, they
also have another popular way of drinking it which is like tea and it's
drink cold, so it's like ice tea, but I don't know how to make it.
So, you see, it's more than just a herbal tea to look cool and alternative,
new age, macrobiotic or any kind of re-interpretation that middle class
Americans looking for something exotic and meaningful want to give it.
It's a whole tradition. Oh, I remember it has some popularity in Lebanon
or Syria or some place around there because many people from there or
whose parents where from that country but had emmigrated to South America
(mainly Argentina) took the custom with them.
Finally, the most important point that really gets me *pissed off*.
IT'S NOT A DRUG!!!!!!! Meaning, it won't change your psychological state
or make you see things that are not there or became addictive any more than
coffee, tea, chocolate, peanut butter or pepperoni pizza.
You won't see ghosts, you will not visit Shriley MacLane (sp?) in heaven,
UFOs won't come to visit you. And that comment about santeria in Brazil
was completely ridiculous because that religion is original from the
northern part of Brazil and mate is known only in the south. (Yes, the
macumbas are all over now, but have nothing to do with mate. I don't think
they even use drugs. Well maybe they do, I don't want to find out.)
All this mainly comes from the fact that people see a new plant from "down
there" which is not regular tea (the brown stuff) and they immediately
have think of some natives they saw in National Geographic using some stuff
in their ceremonies, which is probably _it_. All this misunderstandings
could be avoided by learning about things in the proper culture instead
of re-interpreting them within our own culture. (Today I was told about
a CD with the Argentine "tango" La Cumparsita, which is actually Uruguayan
and a "milonga" (so the experts say), sang in English and with Hawaiian guitar.
How's that for re-interpretation? :-)
And to make my point, some time ago I saw a post somewhere about how mate
HAD TO BE a drug because people "down there" in S. Am. couldn't stop dinrking
it and they did it even in the streets! (see above for the reasonable
explanation of this phenomenon)
Ufff. I think that's it. Now to wait for the flames. I love flames!
(I;ve been reading this group since the beginning of times just waiting
for the day yerba mate would come up so I could entertain myself with the
misconceptions people have and maybe educate a little. Am I crazy? YES!)
It was a pleasure to impart knowledge.
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Yes, I'm still here...
of Yerba Mate and brought truth to the world!
Geez dude, what an attitude! You should learn to be a little more subtle...
First;
>Finally, the most important point that really gets me *pissed off*.
>IT'S NOT A DRUG!!!!!!!
I though Yerba Mate had loads of caffeine, is this correct? If so, you obviously
don't have a clue as to the meaning of the word "drug".
>So, you see, it's more than just a herbal tea to look cool and alternative,
>new age, macrobiotic or any kind of re-interpretation that middle class
>Americans looking for something exotic and meaningful want to give it.
Uh, yeah, right... whatever you say... It's those damn middle class American's
again, slandering every damn thing that you hold sacred.
All sarcasm aside -
Though you've outlined this in your post already, it's still unclear to me how
you actually are suppose to brew the stuff up. Could you outline the process
again in a recipe format, including what kind of thermas to use etc...?
I havn't had much interest in the stuff until your post, and I would like to try
it, that is, IF it contains caffeine, or another stimulant. If it does not,
forget my request.
Greg
By caffeine alone my mind is set in motion. It is through beans of java
that thoughts acquire speed, that hands acquire shakes, that shakes become
a warning. I...am in CONTROL...of my ADDICTION! By caffeine alone my mind
is set in motion. ---Javacrucian Credo
Julie Baker
But I need SOMETHING to drink! I can't help it, I always need to be
drinking something warm, like tea or coffee, and it's not that I'm always
thirsty - it's just a habit.
Jules
Barzilai Spinak
Yes, I'm still here... <gr...@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM> wrote:
>Barzilai's day has come! He has crushed the rich power-class' misunderstanding
>of Yerba Mate and brought truth to the world!
>
>Geez dude, what an attitude! You should learn to be a little more subtle...
>
>First;
>
>>Finally, the most important point that really gets me *pissed off*.
>>IT'S NOT A DRUG!!!!!!!
>
>I though Yerba Mate had loads of caffeine, is this correct? If so, you obviously
>don't have a clue as to the meaning of the word "drug".
>
>>So, you see, it's more than just a herbal tea to look cool and alternative,
>>new age, macrobiotic or any kind of re-interpretation that middle class
>>Americans looking for something exotic and meaningful want to give it.
>
>Uh, yeah, right... whatever you say... It's those damn middle class American's
>again, slandering every damn thing that you hold sacred.
I knew this would happen. I got several mails from people saying that they
enjoyed my article but it seems that some of us are a little more tight asses
than others. As to the meaning of "drug", I understand it very well. But
the meaning people usually give to it is one of a very addictive substance
which activates some psychological and physiological mechanisms in the body
in a short period of time, etc. Yeah, water is a drug. You cannot live
without it. Since the first day you drank water you've wanted more and when
you haven't drank it for some time you get terrible withdrawal symptoms. It
even gets your spirit high when you drink a glass of cold water on a hot
summer day. Furthermore, if you go around saying to people that yerba mate
is a drug they'll get the impression that those "crazies down there" in S. Am.
spend their lives stoned, with red eyes, seeing pretty colors, and barely
being able to stand up. If you get my point, good. If you don't, good as well.
IF everybody understood it, I would have nobody to flame and I would get
very bored.
>
>Though you've outlined this in your post already, it's still unclear to me how
>you actually are suppose to brew the stuff up. Could you outline the process
>again in a recipe format, including what kind of thermas to use etc...?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Is that supposed to be a joke? Anything that will keep your water warm!
>
>I havn't had much interest in the stuff until your post, and I would like to try
>it, that is, IF it contains caffeine, or another stimulant. If it does not,
>forget my request.
I don't know if it contains caffeine. I think it contains a related
substance. I don't think it's stronger than coffee. And as I told to one
of the people who mailed me, I get stomach aches when I drink coffee but
I don't when I drink mate.
Do you want the recipe? Man, I don't think I'm the best person to become
the mate ambassador to the world. I don't even drink it often.
####################### Here is a drawing (I didn't do it). The stick
# #################### is the "bombilla", the round thing under it is
## ################### the mate. The size varies but it's usually a size
## ################# that you can take comfortably in your hand (not
#### ################# smaller than your hand, but you can grab it)
##### ################ you put the leaves inside the mate, about three
###### ############### quarters of the height. (Yeah, it's a lot, not a
####### ############## little bag of tea) Then you have to swell the
######## ############# leaves. Some do it with warm water, others at room
######## ############# tempertature. When the leaves don't absorbe(?)
#### ### any more, you start with the hot water (not boiling
##### #### hot, but at a temperature you can drink. Like a
#### ### hot soup.) Suck through the "bombilla". That's
### ## it. Pass it along the next person if drinking in
#### ### a round. Light the fire, play your guitar, put
##### #### some beef to cook. What else can I say?
###### ##### "bombilla" is pronounced bom-bee-sha in Uruguay and
######## ####### Argentina and bom-bee-yah in other countries. (For
####################### the Spanish-challenged.)
####################### :-) For the humour-challenged.
I think I had explained it well enough in the previous article. If you still
have doubts, I don't know what else to say. Get your local "mate guru" to
show you the process.
Yours truly,
c. richter
>substance. I don't think it's stronger than coffee. And as I told to one
>of the people who mailed me, I get stomach aches when I drink coffee but
>I don't when I drink mate.
Yerba mate has more caffeine than coffee or tea. I forget the relative
numbers, but if you are interested, I can track them down.
I too get digestive problems when I take coffee. It doesn't happen when
I take black tea, chocolate, or cola drinks -- only after two or more cups
of coffee in a 24 hour period. For me, at least, the offending constituent
of coffee is not caffeine, and quite possible the same is true for many
others.
Conrad Richter
kate
>But I need SOMETHING to drink! I can't help it, I always need to be
>drinking something warm, like tea or coffee, and it's not that I'm always
>thirsty - it's just a habit.
If I were you I'd try some mild tea like mint or camomile that's easy
on the stomach and has little or no potential for side effects. Start
with single herbs instead of blends so you can sort out which herbs
cause uncomfortable reactions.
Also, try to buy bulk herbs, ideally organic ones. The more packaging,
the more chance some chemical can slip in, on purpose or by mistake.
Kate
William Smith
I don't know if it contains caffeine. I think it contains a related
substance. I don't think it's stronger than coffee.
c. richter writes:
Yerba mate has more caffeine than coffee or tea.
I too get digestive problems when I take coffee. It doesn't
happen when I take black tea, chocolate, or cola drinks
The originl poster may be closer to the story. Caffeine is in coffee.
I don't know if it is in yerba mate. Tea contains a related substance
called, I think, teobromine. I'm sure someone in this group has
the correct data. The caffeine in cola drinks comes from coffee
and is extracted when they make decaffinated coffee.
William Sburgfort Smith
Yes, I'm still here...
> I knew this would happen. I got several mails from people saying that they
>enjoyed my article but it seems that some of us are a little more tight asses
>than others
If you knew it would happen, why did you post like that? You obviously WANTED that
kind of attention, DIDN'T YOU?!?! (don't lie, ADMIT IT! We'll listen, we're here for
YOU! B^) )
>>again in a recipe format, including what kind of thermas to use etc...?
> Is that supposed to be a joke? Anything that will keep your water warm!
That's fine, I was just double checking what YOU consider a thermas.
Your drawing and explanation are excellent, that is to say, they're good enough
to follow as a recipe. I can get chopped leaf Yerba Mate as a local store, and
it's green. Does this sound correct?
>Furthermore, if you go around saying to people that yerba mate is a drug they'll
>get the impression that those "crazies down there" in S. Am. spend their lives stoned,
>with red eyes, seeing pretty colors, and barely being able to stand up. If you get my
>point.
That wasn't MY impression at ALL! As a matter of fact, I always had the picture of
S. Americans all in fatigues, running around fighting useless little wars with American
CIA money and backing, getting drunk and torturing their enemy's families in unspeakable ways.
Now, is this bombilla a specific utensil used for Mate slurrping, and if so, will
you mail me one if I send you the money? (Seriously).
As it turns out, our local mate guru was killed in a carjacking 2 years ago, and there's an opening for a new one. Now if I can get ahold of a bombilla, and grow
a scraggly beard, HEY! I'm employed! B^)
If you can to send me one of those, send me an address and a price privately..
I'm in need of a new addiction.
Greg
*By caffeine alone my mind is set in motion. It is through beans of java
*that thoughts acquire speed, that hands acquire shakes, that shakes become
*a warning. I...am in CONTROL...of my ADDICTION! By caffeine alone my mind
*is set in motion. ---Javacrucian Credo
Barzilai Spinak
In article <2p4j83$k...@male.EBay.Sun.COM> you write:
>Barzilai explains;
>
>> I knew this would happen. I got several mails from people saying that they
>>enjoyed my article but it seems that some of us are a little more tight asses
>>than others
>
>If you knew it would happen, why did you post like that? You obviously WANTED that
>kind of attention, DIDN'T YOU?!?! (don't lie, ADMIT IT! We'll listen, we're here for
>YOU! B^) )
I didn't wanted THE attention. I usually write/talk a little crudely and
sarcastically when I want to make a point. You should apply the :-)'s as
necessary.
>Your drawing and explanation are excellent, that is to say, they're good enough
>to follow as a recipe. I can get chopped leaf Yerba Mate as a local store, and
>it's green. Does this sound correct?
It sound fine. There's also a difference in the yerbas. If you get the
Argentine (which I don't know if it's grown in Argentina, Paraguay, or Brazil)
it will have more sticks (the little sticks of the leaves, I don't know if
it's the right word). If you get Uruguayan yerba it will have more leaves.
Uruguayan yerba comes mainly from Brazil because it grows in warmer climates
and it probably wouldn't stand the winter in Uruguay. They send their best
quality yerba to Uruguay because we are so picky :-).
>That wasn't MY impression at ALL! As a matter of fact, I always had the picture of
>S. Americans all in fatigues, running around fighting useless little wars with American
>CIA money and backing, getting drunk and torturing their enemy's families in unspeakable ways.
I think you were joking here also. I don't remember any wars in South
America for a long time. Maybe you are thinking of Central America. And, hey,
people in the United States drink more than anything else and you even do it
with a high sense of guilt and sinness(?) and I'm not even allowed to drink
until July 12th when I get to be 21!
>Now, is this bombilla a specific utensil used for Mate slurrping, and if so, will
>you mail me one if I send you the money? (Seriously).
>
Yes, it is a highly specialized device made with state-of-the-art alloys.
A plastic straw won't do because it will probably melt and you will be
drinking the leaves which is not very nice. I'll try to draw one:
___
| | <----------- put your mouth here and suck
|=|
| | .
| | / \
| | |
| | |
| | | Water goes up due to the difference in pressure.
| | |
| | |
| | |
/:\
(:::) <----------- wide bottom so it stays in place inside the yerba
~-~ little holes so it filters the leaves.
Maybe I should stress that you put a LOT of yerba inside the mate. I can
imagine some people thinking it's tea and having a mate filled mostly with
hot water and a few leaves floating around. It should be the opposite!
You have a lot of yerba and you pour water into it. It should remind you of a
pot and you are watering a plant. The same way the soil absorbs the water,
the yerba should absorb the water. And that's why the bombilla stays in
place, because it must be dug into the yerba.
I'm sorry but I cannot send you a bombilla. I only have one and it's my
father's. Ask in the same place where you buy the yerba. If it's a hispanic
market they might sell or point you in the right direction.
You probably have to ask because it's not such a popular item since most
hispanics in the US are from Central America, Mexico or northern South America
and most of them have as good an idea of what mate is as a Swedish Lapp.
>If you can to send me one of those, send me an address and a price privately..
>I'm in need of a new addiction.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
How about trying to keep your text within 80 columns? :-)
kka...@umbc2.umbc.edu
Caffeine is found naturally in tea leaves, mate leaves,
coffee beans, cocoa beans, and kola nuts. Brewed coffee contains
about 18-25mg caffeine/oz., tea contains only 5-15mg caffeine/oz.,
and I don't know about mate.
Theobromine is a related compound (both caffeine and
theobromine are members of the xanthine family) and is found
along with caffeine in tea, and is a chief constituent of cocoa.
All xanthines are central nervous system stimulants, but caffeine
is the strongest. Theobromine is also a diuretic.
Karen
lanthanum
: c. richter writes:
: Yerba mate has more caffeine than coffee or tea.
: I too get digestive problems when I take coffee. It doesn't
: happen when I take black tea, chocolate, or cola drinks
: The originl poster may be closer to the story. Caffeine is in coffee.
: I don't know if it is in yerba mate. Tea contains a related substance
: called, I think, teobromine. I'm sure someone in this group has
: the correct data. The caffeine in cola drinks comes from coffee
: and is extracted when they make decaffinated coffee.
Caffeine shows up in lots of strange places including Yerba Mate
(up to 2%) and Gotu Cola - Cola nitida) (up to 3.5%).
BTW, I liked the original post. Good to see different perspectives on
some of the stuff that primarily known only through marketer's hype.
Bill Grae
: But I need SOMETHING to drink! I can't help it, I always need to be
: drinking something warm, like tea or coffee, and it's not that I'm always
: thirsty - it's just a habit.
Try (don't laugh, please) catnip. The Victorians (who were about as
tense and stomache-achy a bunch as you could find) used to swear by
catnip tea as a tonic to counter gastric distress as well as being a
tasty beverage in its own right. If camomile and the other fairly
aromatic herbs you mentioned have been giving you problems, catnip
MAY also - but then again, it may not.
However, before you write off herb teas completely and despair of
drinking anything warm besides water, consider whether it was the
herbs that gave you the stomache aches or something that had been
done to them. Where did you purchase/gather them? If you gathered them
yourself, there's a very real possibility that some bozo might have
nailed them with some kind of pesti-/herbicide at some point and THAT'S
what upset your stomach. Another (admittedly remote) possibility is that
the herbs you bought for tea were intended for potpouri. There's
something that gets done to herbs for potpourri that tends to render them
unfit for consumption.
Anyway, I hope you find a solution to your dilemma soon.
-- Regards,
Bill Grae
bill...@echonyc.com
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Dulce est desipere in loco. Whoop - there it is!
Donna Cunningham
often have other additives. Go to a store that sells organic foods. There
you can buy herbs by the bulk. I would suggest also trying catnip, mint,
and chamomile tea (individually, until you discover what or which one
bothers your stomach). Hope this helps!
Donna
Jim Mulcahy
Try (don't laugh, please) catnip.
This is a wonderful time of year to try catnip. In the fields it is
sprouting everywhere. Our forebears used it as a spring tonic sweetened
with honey to get the system, weary and sluggish from winter, spruced up for
spring.