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Alexander Petrovic

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Jul 15, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/15/99
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I would like to try, as in my case, so far, nothing really helped, but then
again, am I wasting my time ?

Regards,
Alex

Andy Biggs

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Jul 16, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/16/99
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The suggested 30 day broccoli protocol gave me notcieable improvement in
urinary flow but no benefit at all to my primary symptom of
"sitting on a golf ball". It is too early to say whether the
improvement will be sustained now I have ceased consuming the
stuff.

It was certainly not a "cure" for me.

Mr.Powers has pointed out that broccoli is high in Quercetin, so
the idea may not be completely off the wall, and results may be an
indicator as to whether or not Q itself would be of benefit to a
particular individual.

I would say try it if you can bear the taste - you'll never know
if you don't. It costs very little, and consumption of normal
vegetable matter for 30 days is extremely unlikely to have adverse
health effects.

As is common in our cases, the response of one individual to any
particular "treatment" is not a strong predictor as to how someone
else will respond.

Andy Biggs
Cambridge,UK

RKlein 42

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<<
The suggested 30 day broccoli protocol gave me notcieable improvement in
urinary flow but no benefit at all to my primary symptom of
"sitting on a golf ball". It is too early to say whether the
improvement will be sustained now I have ceased consuming the
stuff.

It was certainly not a "cure" for me. >>


I tried the broccoli as well for three cycles of 7days/cycle. Mild improvement
in urinary flow, mild improvement in frequency and urgency. PSA did go down
from 3.4 to 2.8 during the one month trial, but I am not sure if this is
significant. I hope others will share their experience.

Bob Klein

John

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Jul 16, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/16/99
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On Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:11:22 +0200, "Alexander Petrovic"
<alxt...@iafrica.com> wrote:

>I would like to try, as in my case, so far, nothing really helped, but then
>again, am I wasting my time ?
>
>Regards,
>Alex
>

I just finished the 3rd 7 day cycle. It has improved urinary flow and
most of the inflamation to the scrotum is gone. Perineum pain is far
less and I don't have a congested feeling in my pelvis (like a stuffed
up sinus). Ejaculate volume has gone up and pain after ejaculation
has gone down. I also had a slight dripping after urination and pain
at the base of my penis in the urethra that have been eliminated.

It is doing something, it's just taking a long time to work. However,
I didn't read the instructions correctly the first time and hadn't
been eating the broccoli everyday - maybe that threw the cycle off.

I don't believe the quercetin in the broccoli is the main factor as I
was taking quercetin 2g a day along with 1000mg bromelain, 2000 mg
bioflavonoids, and 15 Wobenzym N daily previously and it had no effect
on me.

Austin Powers

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Jul 16, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/16/99
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"Alexander Petrovic" wrote:

> I don't believe the quercetin in the broccoli
> is the main factor as I was taking quercetin
> 2g a day along with 1000mg bromelain,
> 2000 mg bioflavonoids, and 15 Wobenzym
> N daily previously and it had no effect on
> me.

Aah! But was the quercetin you were taking any good? It is common
knowledge that in the supplement industry the actual strength of the
stated ingredients is very often woefully less than the label claims.
That's why I always buy the brand Dr Shoskes originally endorsed -- a
"laboratory grade" product direct from the source.


fy...@davidbowie.com

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I am on my 2nd 7 day cycle right now. So far I have noticed a great
increase in my urine stream, and amount of ejaculate, but nothing
else yet.

If at the end of the 21 day treatment, I may continue if I am not
cured.

Fyrie

Andy Biggs

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Jul 16, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/16/99
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Austin

Please could you post again your source/brand of quercetin for anyone
like myself who missed any earlier such revelations. And would you
know if it is available in the UK?

I'm sorry if such enquiries are an annoyance. Mea culpa.

with thanks

Andy Biggs

Alexander Petrovic

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Jul 16, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/16/99
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Thanks a lot guys.
Will try as from tonight and let you know.

And a question for A. Powers....
Somewhere in this NG you posted that you had 'ringing in your ears and panic
attacks" after some antibiotics ?
I am asking you cause I still have permanent ringing and feel of pressure in
my ears. as for panic attacks, I had a first one on a local flight, and few
in a couple of months span. It was not that I was completely freaking out,
but I one side of my brain was in panic, while the other side tried to calm
me down. People around me could not even notice it, but it was terrible
feeling. I have spoken to my GP and he told me that it could be stress
related.
That is the time when I decided to go to Philippines, as I was pretty
desperate about the whole thing.
I was not cured, however. Been to 3 different uro's here and just don't know
what my next step should be ?

Regards,
Alex
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John

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On 16 Jul 1999 17:30:31 -0000, Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header
(Austin Powers) wrote:

>John wrote:
>
>> I don't believe the quercetin in the broccoli
>> is the main factor as I was taking quercetin
>> 2g a day along with 1000mg bromelain,
>> 2000 mg bioflavonoids, and 15 Wobenzym
>> N daily previously and it had no effect on
>> me.
>

>Aah! But was the quercetin you were taking any good? It is common
>knowledge that in the supplement industry the actual strength of the
>stated ingredients is very often woefully less than the label claims.
>That's why I always buy the brand Dr Shoskes originally endorsed -- a
>"laboratory grade" product direct from the source.

MRM quercetin - I even got my Dr. Shoskes discount!

Austin Powers

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Andy Biggs wrote:

> Austin
>
> Please could you post again your
> source/brand of quercetin for anyone like
> myself who missed any earlier such
> revelations.

See http://www.prostate.org/quercetin.html

> And would you know if it is
> available in the UK?

Don't think so.


Austin Powers

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Alexander Petrovic wrote:

> And a question for A. Powers.... Somewhere
> in this NG you posted that you had 'ringing
> in your ears and panic attacks" after some
> antibiotics ? I am asking you cause I still
> have permanent ringing and feel of
> pressure in my ears.

Many abx are ototoxic. You need to look back in this newsgroup to find
out about it. Try search from this page :
http://www.deja.com/home_ps.shtml

Also, follow this link for my previous summation of cipro
side-effects:
http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=485947492

> That is the time when I decided to go to
> Philippines, as I was pretty desperate about
> the whole thing. I was not cured, however.

Yet another Manila Protocol failure. I will add this to my AEF/ANF FAQ
which I post periodically. By the way Alex, did you see ANF or AEF?

Also, to all posters reading this - someone else posted in the last
week that they had been unsuccessfully treated in Manila - who was it
please? I want that in the FAQ too.

Alex, as to what to try next: a combination of Prosta-Q, Vioxx,
Melatonin and Elavil. Good luck, Meneer!


Larr...@webtv.net

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Jul 16, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/16/99
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I was taking 2g of Metabolic Response Modifiers Quercetin(considered
pharm-grade) per day for 3 months with slight improvement...I am in my
3rd 7day cycle with the broccoli protocol with more improvement in flow
& frequency...will continue with broccoli...


Jim Charest

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I finished the (3) 7 day brocolli cycle a few days ago. I saw a decent
reduction in urgency & frequency. Some reduction in the prostate pain.
I didn't see much change from the end of the first week till the end.
I am now on day number 6 taking ProstaQ and have seen significant reduction
in prostate pain. I am impressed. I still have some lower back pain but
gennerally its the best I have felt in months. I can actually sit in a chair
without too much trouble. I just hope it keeps getting better.
Thank You Dr. Shoskes

Jim C in CT

Wondamom

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Jul 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/17/99
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Hi Jim. Just a few questions, Did you finish the broccoli treatment? When
and how long did you see Dr.Shoskes? Did he do massage and antibiotics? My
husband went to Dr. Shoskes for a 3 week stay and still doesn't feel any
better. If you have any idea or info to tell Paul(my husband )please e-mail
him at PTP...@aol.com Thanks, Ellen

CTGarvey

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Jul 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/18/99
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Panic attacks suck!!! I went to my uro about 9 mths ago and he said my cp was
do to stress. I thought he was crazy. I was always so tense. He told me to take
hot and cold baths and excersise. He also told me to stop dwelling on my
illness and try to enjoy my life. Needless to say I found another uro who ran
every test under the moon.Everything came out OK. He put me on antibiotics (5
different kinds) and that didn't work. So this summer I forced myself to join a
basketball league and it's been 3 1/2 weeks since I had any pain. Was the first
Doc. right?? Is the summer weather making me forget about it? My symtoms were
pain between the scrodum and ass. Thick pre cum(doctors answer that one or
Austin) Hope this helps.

CTGarvey

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Jul 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/18/99
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Mr.Powers,
I never read anything about thickness of precum.Mine is really thick. I read
post on some guys upon ejaculation have thick lumpy semon.Nothing about precum.
And if I have a quicky with my girlfriend it is always thick. When I last for
more then 20 min. it comes out fine. Why???

Austin Powers

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Jul 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/19/99
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CTGarvey wrote:

> Panic attacks suck!!! I went to my uro about
> 9 mths ago and he said my cp was do to
> stress. I thought he was crazy. I was always
> so tense. He told me to take hot and cold
> baths and excersise. He also told me to stop
> dwelling on my illness and try to enjoy my
> life. Needless to say I found another uro
> who ran every test under the moon.
> Everything came out OK. He put me
> on antibiotics (5 different kinds) and that
> didn't work.

So far it's the typical story of CPPS.

> So this summer I forced myself
> to join a basketball league and it's been 3
> 1/2 weeks since I had any pain. Was the
> first Doc. right?? Is the summer weather
> making me forget about it? My symtoms
> were pain between the scrodum and ass.
> Thick pre cum(doctors answer that one or
> Austin) Hope this helps.

Personally I always find pain, when I used to have it, generally worse
in the winter and better in the summer. The immune system is usually
happier in warm weather - that's why we get more colds and flu in
winter.

As for sport helping, I have always advocated a 30-60 minute daily
walk for CPPS. The movement of the legs helps the gland to keep free
of trapped secretions - the surrounding muscles massage the gland and
a sort of "natural drainage" phenomenon occurs.

Strenuous exercise can, in a subset of people who have severe CPPS,
make the condition far worse. I still find that exercise should not be
done to the point of panting and heavy sweating, just gently raised
heart rate. Others may find they can tolerate heavy exertion.


Austin Powers

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Jul 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/19/99
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Inflammation and swelling is the cause. The secretions cannot get out
easily once your prostate becomes inflamed and all the tubules get
swollen shut. Once it's like that, you need prolonged stimulation to
get the secretions to ooze out of the gland.


Alexander Petrovic

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Jul 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/19/99
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I have started with broccoli.......will post after first week.
Today, on day 2 no changes.....

Alexander Petrovic

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Jul 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/19/99
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> > That is the time when I decided to go to
> > Philippines, as I was pretty desperate about
> > the whole thing. I was not cured, however.
>
> Yet another Manila Protocol failure. I will add this to my AEF/ANF FAQ
> which I post periodically. By the way Alex, did you see ANF or AEF?

It was with Dr. A. N. Feliciano.....
I really had very high hopes :(

Alexander Petrovic

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Jul 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/20/99
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And one more question for Austin.......

Before Manila, I was on many drugs.......in Manila alone on:
Augmentin
Nizoral
Diflucan
Metronidazole
Ceclor
Terramycin.......

Nothing really helped.

But maybe I shall start from the beginning.....

About 4 years ago, after unprotected sex with awesome looking French
secretary, after 2 days I developed a discharge , went to my GP and was
given Flagyl.
It stoped the first day (discharge) but I finished the course which lasted
for one week.
But, I noticed that there was always on tip of my penis a small, not even a
drop, of fluid, with no color or specific odor.
And, I could see it all the time. So, I went back to GP and he thought that
we must give it another go with Flagyl.
But it didn't help. So, we did full STD screen, he could not find anything,
and we left it as it is, he was saying that it will get better.
Two years later, I was just about to fall asleep when I got the first
symptom........a bit of a pain in-between my testicles and anus. in days to
come it got worse, and only then I decided to go and see specialist.
After DRE my first urologist told me that I got prostatitis, slightly
enlarged prostate, nothing serious, nothing to worry. I was told to stay
away from spicy food, and citrus fruit. Was given Cardura, to relax.
Needless to say, it didn't help.
Went again, we did EPS, came out negative.....I was told to chill out, there
is nothing wrong with me.

I decided to try another one........we did the same, tests negative, was
given Flomax........didn't work.
Next urologist did DRE, it was very painful, and I was given Purbac and
Strugeron.......didn't work.
He wanted to stretch my bladder, and 'check something', but my answer was
NO.

That is when I started looking on internet, and made a decision to try Dr.
A. N. Feliciano. All I can say is that he was really friendly, wanted to
listen, and help, but it didn't work. But, I have to say that I have met
many people at his clinic, and was even on some consultations together with
doc and his colleagues, who got better, however, not all of them were
prostatitis sufferers.

Now, the MOST important part........one of the creams I got in Manila was
Travocort Cream. I noticed that after using in on tip of my penis for only a
day, discharge disappears.....I stoped, it came back following morning. I
tried again, and it disappeared again. Any ideas why ???........We noticed
that the discharge is NOT prostate dependant, saying that it does not matter
if I just had a massage or not, it was there al the time. So it could be
that it comes from my urethra ?
Are we barking under wrong tree then ? What test should be done in that case
?


Best regards,
Alex

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