possible lawsuit on NASA (US govt); Ken Hollis
Archimedes Plutonium
From the legal-law Desk of the Archimedes Plutonium
Address: Archimedes Plutonium, Hinman Box 6165, Dartmouth College,
Hanover NH 03755
Date: 12DEC98
To: NASA
National Aeronautics and Space Administration
300 E. St. SW
Washington, DC 20546
Subject: Bill-for-Payment
This is a bill for the willful attempt by NASA to disable the
searchengine machinery of Archimedes Plutonium and colleagues on the
Internet from 1997-1998. According to Dejanews search engine Ken Hollis
via gan...@digital.net posting a periodic and repetitious FAQ which he
calls "troll FAQ" but rather, which has the underlying intent to
multiply over the Internet searchengines and to bomb-out Archimedes
Plutonium from search engine machinery. NASA generated 55 such
search-engine-bombs from 1997-1998 upon Archimedes Plutonium and
science colleagues.
The charge for each post (bomb) whose intent, or effect, is to disable
machinery used by the Plutonium Atom Foundation and science colleagues
is a flat fee of $500. per post (bomb). Whether the search engine bomb
was sent by Ken Hollis of gandalf, or by others spreading the Hollis
FAQ, makes no difference. The intent or effect is there, and is to
disable the searchengines seeking Archimedes Plutonium and science
colleagues. The US law has a $500 fine per disabling tactics of Fac
machines of private citizens. And the US law forbids the disabling of
government computer machines and govt Fac machines. Yet, it appears as
though the US government in the likes of NASA, Ken Hollis is engaged in
disabling the search engine machinery of private US citizens.
The total charge to NASA from the Internet platform of
alt.syntax.tactical "troll FAQ" attempting to disable the searchengine
machinery of Archimedes Plutonium and colleagues is a charge of 55 x
$500 = $27,500. You are given 2 months to pay this bill from the date
of mailing 12DEC98.
Carbon Copy: Usenet: misc.legal
Note: the first two words "From the" are vivaldi font; rest is in
geneva font and the headers are in gold as per the letterhead of the
Plutonium Atom Foundation, but no use in wasting this nice cotton paper
on the above).
Archimedes Plutonium
-------------------------------------------------------
BACKGROUND OF THE LETTER
Here is an example of a government employee who uses the government
computer resources to go around attacking private citizens. This NASA
worker feigns to make a FAQ whose real intent is to spread all over the
Internet and disabling the searchengines of various private citizens.
The government makes laws about disabling Facsimile machines but then
the government turns around and attacks-disables private citizens of
the US from search engines.
Ken Hollis NASA
http://ddi.digital.net/~gandalf/me.html
National Aeronautics and Space
Administration
300 E. St. SW
Washington, DC 20546
Web Site:
http://www.nasa.gov
Phone:
202-358-0000
Fax:
202-358-3047
CEO:
Daniel S. Goldin
CFO:
Andrew G. Holz
HR:
Spence M. Armstrong
Fiscal Year End:
10/31
Sales Year:
1998
Sales (millions $):
13500
1-Yr. Sales Change:
-1.52
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alt.syntax.tactical FAQ - Dealing with Trolls
Crossposting and Flames Rev 970621
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Author:
gandalf
Email:
gan...@digital.net
Date:
1997/06/22
Forums:
alt.syntax.tactical, alt.newbie,
news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,
news.admin.net-abuse.misc, alt.answers, news.answers
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Organization:
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Summary:
This posting describes how to deal with trolls, crossposts
and flames
[deleting 9 segments of a very long FAQ except this paragraph naming
Archimedes Plutonium for the express purpose of bombing out search
engines looking for Archimedes Plutonium]
Then there are real winners who have a long standing history of
harassment and trolling (usually nominated for KOTM (Kook Of The
Month)) like Boursey ( http://genesis.tiac.net/~sbfaq/boursy.html ),
Grubor (multiple accounts / personalities
http://www.wetware.com/mlegare/kotm/html/knov95.html ), or
Archimedes...@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium
http://www.dannyland.org/~daemons/why/ap.html ). They usually have a
World Wide Web page devoted to them somewhere.
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alt.syntax.tactical FAQ - Dealing with Trolls
Crossposting and Flames Rev 981123
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gandalf
Email:
gan...@digital.net
Date:
1998/11/24
Forums:
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While these children may see this as a harmless prank, the end result
is that they censor the regular readers of the target group by
overwhelming the group with off topic messages. This is akin to the
censoring of those that criticize the Church Of Scientology on the
newsgroup alt.religion.scientology. Censorship is censorship no
matter what the reasons.
The bottom line is that no matter if someone is trolling from
alt.syntax.tactical or from any other group (no matter who they are)
they are only looking for someone (anybody) to boost their ego by
getting a response. If you get upset and reply then all you are doing
is making them feel better. It doesn't matter who the troller is,
whether they are Raoul Xemblinosky <
http://extra.newsguy.com/~shpxurnq/ >, Steve Pordon aka Legion ( MIA
for the moment ), Gunter Bergman ber...@solvang.com (who likes to
claim this FAQ is outdated and boorish :-) ...), Commandante Meow Meow
Matt Bruce, IRS Agent < ta...@yourwallet.empty.gov >, Fat Freddy's Cat
< ff...@gmu.edu > (forged e-mail thru an open NNTP server), John "Rear
Admiral" McKeon jmc...@fls.infi.net, Ayatollah Meow David Rosenfield
( rose...@students.wisc.edu ), cjc...@newsguy.com (
http://members.tripod.com/~flamingMoE ), Barry Debonair (
flu...@remus.igt.com ), and tons of ever changing e-mail id's
deleted. Part of the problem are those that seem to be trying to help
by arguing, but in the long run only hurt.
The old alt.syntax.tactical crew as described by Lee Jackson
Beauregard ( http://www.smart.net/~rchason/gilbert.html ) :
http://x.dejanews.com/article/371240099
Then there are real winners who have a long standing history of
harassment and trolling (usually nominated for KOTM (Kook Of The
Month)) like Boursey ( http://genesis.tiac.net/~sbfaq/boursy.html ),
Grubor (multiple accounts / personalities
http://www.wetware.com/mlegare/kotm/html/knov95.html ), or
Archimedes...@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~atom/ and one of his many "fans" :-)
http://www.dannyland.org/~daemons/why/ap.html ). They usually have a
World Wide Web page devoted to them somewhere.
Then there are some who are accused of being trollers yet do not
agree. They argue that they are only having a discussion. They call
it "sarcasm" "irony" or witty banter. There are many versions of this
kind of person, they argue and cause an uproar and don't understand
the uproar they cause. Others may not have understood their intention
and both sides may have gotten a little too caught up in the
discussion. It is possible to try and help these people understand
the uproar they cause using e-mail. Sometimes the cause is hopeless.
These kinds of people I have run across are ones like Mark Hines on
sci.space.shuttle, James Atkerson on alt.gathering rainbow and White
Lotus/True Lotus' has a web page at http://www.eskimo.com/~tlotus .
You can find a list of the latest trollers (or the troller trying to
get their victim in trouble) by taking a look at the newsgroups
alt.usenet.kooks, alt.syntax.tactical, alt.fan.karl-malden.nose,
alt.flame, or alt.bigfoot. The newsgroups under attack always change
over time.
See how well *your* Kook passes The Kook Test:
http://x.dejanews.com/article/394773181
Finally, I must mention Gunter Bergman did a most excellent, almost
Zippy the Pinhead-esq rendition of this FAQ :
http://x.dejanews.com/article/362393906
You too can join in the fun and Zippify a WWW page at :
http://www.metahtml.com/apps/zippy/welcome.mhtml
Defining troll, flames and crossposts
============================================
http://dir.yahoo.com/Computers_and_Internet/Internet/Usenet/Humor/Trolli
ng/
http://www.teamtechnology.co.uk/troll.htm
With the following Troll definitions:
* Playtime (1 off trolling)
* Tactical (long term trolling by a single character)
* Strategic (long term trolling using multiple characters and
different waves)
* Domination (trolls who run mailing lists themselves)
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Messages 1-71 of exactly 71 matches for search archimedes plutonium and
Then there are
real winners:
Date Scr Subject
Newsgroup Author
1. 97/10/10 049 Re: How Archimedes Pluto#1/2 sci.bio.technology
Rob Buckley
2. 97/10/08 049 How Archimedes Plutonium#1/2 sci.bio.technology
Archimedes Plut
3. 97/10/08 049 Re: How Archimedes Pluto#1/2 sci.bio.technology
Mike Painter
4. 98/11/16 048 Re: September 1998 A.R.K#3/7 alt.religion.kibology
James "Kibo" Pa
5. 98/02/25 048 Troll FAQ/In support of #2/2 alt.astrology
Janet M. Ryan
6. 98/11/18 047 Re: September 1998 A.R.K con alt.religion.kibology
James "Kibo" Pa
7. 98/11/16 047 Re: September 1998 A.R.K#4/7 alt.religion.kibology
James "Kibo" Pa
8. 98/11/14 047 FAQ For Trolls #2/9 rec.sport.pro-wrestli
Tehawk
9. 98/10/14 047 Re: [TROLL] Too many mix#2/7 soc.culture.native
drumcarrier
10. 98/11/24 046 alt.syntax.tactical FAQ #2/1 alt.syntax.tactical
gandalf
11. 98/10/19 046 alt.syntax.tactical FAQ #2/1 alt.syntax.tactical
gandalf
12. 98/10/18 046 Trolls, crossposts, flam#2/7 soc.support.fat-accep
Emmy Green
13. 98/06/25 046 Re: alt.syntax.tactical #2/1 alt.support
Tricia
14. 98/06/14 046 alt.syntax.tactical FAQ #2/1 alt.syntax.tactical
Gunter Bergman
15. 98/06/14 046 Re: MEOWers Defeated #2/8 demon.local
Suppurating Cun
16. 98/06/14 046 Re: MEOWers Defeated #2/4 demon.local
Spiro
17. 97/10/09 046 [sci.bio.technology] How#1/2 alt.humor.best-of-use
Daniel Ewing
18. 97/09/10 046 Jerry Russell of Florida Onl sci.physics.electroma
Archimedes Plut
19. 98/09/02 045 alt.syntax.tactical FAQ #2/1 alt.syntax.tactical
gandalf
20. 98/07/01 045 Of Serdar Argic, alt.syn#2/9 houston.internet.prov
Greg R. Broderi
21. 98/04/16 045 Re: WHY ALL THE HATRED? #1/2 alt.gathering.rainbow
greywolf
22. 98/04/07 045 Re: [1/2] DISCUSSION: alt.pa alt.paranormal
Samhain
23. 98/02/25 045 REPOST:Troll FAQ/In supp#2/2 alt.astrology
Janet M. Ryan
24. 98/02/25 045 Dogshit bitch Janet M. Ryan sci.physics.fusion
Riboflavin
25. 98/02/25 045 REPOST:Troll FAQ/In supp#2/2 alt.astrology
Janet M. Ryan
26. 97/10/17 045 Re:felon Ken O Hollis rapes sci.astro
Archimedes Plut
27. 98/07/12 044 alt.syntax.tactical FAQ #2/9 alt.syntax.tactical
gandalf
28. 98/07/12 044 alt.syntax.tactical FAQ #2/9 alt.angst
gandalf
29. 98/03/22 044 alt.syntax.tactical FAQ #2/9 alt.syntax.tactical
gandalf
30. 98/02/21 044 Re: Tesla #63/ sci.engr
Archimedes Plut
31. 97/09/11 044 Emailbombing, now Search#1/2 sci.logic
Archimedes Plut
32. 97/10/17 043 Please Read.. Flamer exp#2/9 alt.support.anxiety-p
Linda White
33. 97/10/17 043 Please send to sci. by Linda sci.psychology.misc
Archimedes Plut
34. 97/09/13 043 Ken Hollis FAQ by Ken Ho#6/6 sci.chem
Archimedes Plut
35. 97/07/23 043 Re: Rec.music.rem.meow? #3/7 rec.music.rem
Ron Henry
36. 97/07/04 043 Re: Filtering out non AP#2/1 alt.politics.socialis
Paul Kneisel
37. 97/06/03 043 Mini-FAQ: LAME POSTS - F#2/9 rec.music.rem
Ron Henry
38. 97/05/25 043 Who fits this descriptio#2/5 alt.gathering.rainbow
Pappy Summerlan
39. 97/05/18 043 Flames & Trolls : Inform#2/9 news.newusers.questio
cipher
40. 97/05/10 043 alt.syntax.tactical FAQ #2/9 news.newusers.questio
cipher
41. 97/05/08 043 Re: alt.syntax.tactical FAQ alt.syntax.tactical
Gunter Bergman
42. 97/05/07 043 alt.syntax.tactical FAQ #2/9 news.newusers.questio
cipher
43. 97/03/21 043 Trolls, Was Re: Tricks M#2/5 sci.astro.amateur
Ken Hollis
44. 96/10/11 043 Disadvantages of printin#1/2 sci.physics
Archimedes Plut
45. 97/12/26 042 Trolls - posted with pre#2/9 sci.geo.earthquakes
Bob Officer
46. 97/09/11 042 alt.syntax.tactical FAQ #2/9 alt.support.anxiety-p
nojunkmail
47. 97/09/06 042 alt.syntax.tactical FAQ #2/9 alt.syntax.tactical
gandalf
48. 97/07/04 042 REPOST due to forged can#2/7 rec.games.mecha
MPBT Ninyu
49. 97/06/23 042 net-abuse-faq/troll-faq #2/9 alt.fan.keanu-reeves
Amethyst
50. 97/05/11 042 Troll FAQ #1/9 alt.revisionism
Rich Graves
51. 97/05/07 042 alt.syntax.tactical FAQ #2/9 alt.syntax.tactical
gandalf
52. 97/03/07 042 Re: alt.syntax.tactical #2/8 alt.syntax.tactical
Net Admin
53. 97/03/06 042 alt.syntax.tactical FAQ #2/9 alt.syntax.tactical
gandalf
54. 97/03/06 042 alt.syntax.tactical FAQ #2/9 alt.test
gandalf
55. 96/09/25 042 Re: MailBomb [Warning: V#2/9 rec.arts.sf.written
batman
56. 97/10/18 041 Dealing with Jerry Russe#1/6 sci.geo.geology
Archimedes Plut
57. 97/10/18 041 Re: Official NASA fookdo#1/6 sci.astro
Archimedes Plut
58. 97/10/17 041 Official NASA kooks FAQ #1/6 sci.psychology.misc
Archimedes Plut
59. 97/06/24 041 Re: alt.syntax.tactical #2/9 rec.games.mecha
ninyuhk
60. 97/06/22 041 alt.syntax.tactical FAQ #2/9 alt.syntax.tactical
gandalf
61. 97/01/21 041 alt.syntax.tactical FAQ #2/9 alt.test
gandalf
62. 96/11/07 041 RPC'ers, please read (lo#5/1 rec.pets.cats
dgabriel
63. 96/11/05 041 alt.syntax.tactical FAQ #2/9 alt.syntax.tactical
gandalf
64. 96/09/24 041 * GIVE OFFENSIVE TROLLER#2/9 alt.rock-n-roll.oldie
Harry S. Anchan
65. 97/01/15 040 For readers of Matt Giwe#2/9 soc.culture.jewish
Ken McVay OBC
66. 96/12/13 040 Hale-Bopp and the odd <k#2/9 sci.astro
Bob Officer
67. 96/09/15 040 For readers of "Goat@anu#2/9 alt.revisionism
Rich Graves
68. 96/09/15 040 For readers of "Goat@anu#2/9 alt.revisionism
Rich Graves
69. 96/09/15 040 For readers of "Goat@anu#2/9 alt.revisionism
Rich Graves
70. 96/09/11 040 alt.syntax.tactical FAQ #2/9 alt.syntax.tactical
gandalf
71. 98/07/03 039 Making Alzheimers disease lo sci.med
Archimedes Plut
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alt.syntax.tactical FAQ - Dealing with Trolls
Crossposting and Flames Rev 981123
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Author:
gandalf
Email:
gan...@digital.net
Date:
1998/11/24
Forums:
alt.syntax.tactical, alt.newbie,
news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,
news.admin.net-abuse.misc, alt.answers, news.answers
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Summary:
This posting describes how to deal with trolls,
crossposts and flames
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URL: http://ddi.digital.net/~gandalf/trollfaq.html
Greetings and Salutations:
This FAQ is about crossposts, troll and flames, and what to do about
them.
Table of contents to this FAQ:
o Introduction
o Introducing the alt.syntax.tactical group
o Defining troll, flames and crossposts
o What to do
o E-Mailing
o Killfiles
o A description of the alt.syntax.tactical crew (and lesser
trolls)
o The alt.syntax.tactical FAQ - Know your opponents
Introduction
============================================
Please feel free to repost this, e-mail it, put this FAQ on CD's or
any other media you can think of.
The latest & greatest version of this FAQ will be found at one of the
following:
http://ddi.digital.net/~gandalf/trollfaq.html
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/alt.syntax.tactical/
Or *nicely* HTML'ed at:
http://www.cs.ruu.nl/wais/html/na-dir/net-abuse-faq/troll-faq.html
or
http://www.netmeg.net/faq/internet/net-abuse/troll-faq/
PLEASE email follow-ups, additions / changes to gan...@digital.net,
My news source is OK, but I sometimes miss items.
Introducing the alt.syntax.tactical group
============================================
The alt.syntax.tactical crew (of which I am definitely not a member)
decides every now and then to start a colossal crosspost / flame war.
One of their attacks started trolling by crossposting between
alt.smokers, can.talk.smoking, alt.support.non-smokers, asthma and SCI
groups. The trollers would take an original post from alt.smokers,
pass it thru a anonymous remailer (with the original e-mail name
intact) and repost it to all of the above groups. This (as you can
guess) started a massive flame war with the original (innocent) poster
getting in trouble for the crosspost that they never made. It
migrated to rec.pets.cats and beyond, but the lines are ever changing.
It is rumored that the alt.syntax.tactical crew communicates through a
listserver, planning their next attack thru the back channels.
Wouldn't want the plans posted out in the open, now would we :-).
Michael tells us that the a.s.t. crew definitely DID NOT have their
origins in the alt.shenanigans newsgroup. There have been several
jokes played upon newsgroups which were planned in alt.shenanigans and
its associated mailing list, but none of them have been anything like
a.s.t. They've all been harmless, in fun, and have caused no real
damage.
The MEOW brigade is essentially the same animal as the
alt.syntax.tactical brigade, just a different section of that same
family tree that doesn't branch. Not as bright either. For a story
on MEOWs, look at http://ddi.digital.net/~gandalf/meow.txt ... This is
also a perfect example of a MEOW post ... a reply with all the
previous text and no additional content. The "meow-meow's" say "meow"
because, at the moment they came across alt.fan.karl-malden.nose there
was a thread about, of all things, Henrietta Pussycat from Mr. Rogers'
Neighborhood. She, as you may recall, speaks like this:
"Meow meow go to bed meow? Meow very tired meow."
The Meower's version, by The 2-Belo ( the2...@alt.net ) is located at
:
http://afk-mn.eist.co.jp/meow.html
Or look at
http://extra.newsguy.com/~shpxurnq/archive/raoul15.html
These children are a version of Internet vandals. They do no good and
only cause trouble. There are many ways that they attack. All of the
methods are very simple (remember the abilities of the people we are
dealing with here). They use open NNTP servers, anonymous remailers,
list servers, mail to news gateways, or a program that has as part of
the Path : ...!gergs_bane.org!anon. Many times they pick "real
looking" e-mail addresses so that someone who has gotten them mad
before will get in trouble. Clue : Don't mailbomb the e-mail or
postmaster of the site listed in the e-mail, they are probably
innocent and all that will accomplish is getting you in trouble.
While these children may see this as a harmless prank, the end result
is that they censor the regular readers of the target group by
overwhelming the group with off topic messages. This is akin to the
censoring of those that criticize the Church Of Scientology on the
newsgroup alt.religion.scientology. Censorship is censorship no
matter what the reasons.
The bottom line is that no matter if someone is trolling from
alt.syntax.tactical or from any other group (no matter who they are)
they are only looking for someone (anybody) to boost their ego by
getting a response. If you get upset and reply then all you are doing
is making them feel better. It doesn't matter who the troller is,
whether they are Raoul Xemblinosky <
http://extra.newsguy.com/~shpxurnq/ >, Steve Pordon aka Legion ( MIA
for the moment ), Gunter Bergman ber...@solvang.com (who likes to
claim this FAQ is outdated and boorish :-) ...), Commandante Meow Meow
Matt Bruce, IRS Agent < ta...@yourwallet.empty.gov >, Fat Freddy's Cat
< ff...@gmu.edu > (forged e-mail thru an open NNTP server), John "Rear
Admiral" McKeon jmc...@fls.infi.net, Ayatollah Meow David Rosenfield
( rose...@students.wisc.edu ), cjc...@newsguy.com (
http://members.tripod.com/~flamingMoE ), Barry Debonair (
flu...@remus.igt.com ), and tons of ever changing e-mail id's
deleted. Part of the problem are those that seem to be trying to help
by arguing, but in the long run only hurt.
The old alt.syntax.tactical crew as described by Lee Jackson
Beauregard ( http://www.smart.net/~rchason/gilbert.html ) :
http://x.dejanews.com/article/371240099
Then there are real winners who have a long standing history of
harassment and trolling (usually nominated for KOTM (Kook Of The
Month)) like Boursey ( http://genesis.tiac.net/~sbfaq/boursy.html ),
Grubor (multiple accounts / personalities
http://www.wetware.com/mlegare/kotm/html/knov95.html ), or
Archimedes...@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~atom/ and one of his many "fans" :-)
http://www.dannyland.org/~daemons/why/ap.html ). They usually have a
World Wide Web page devoted to them somewhere.
Then there are some who are accused of being trollers yet do not
agree. They argue that they are only having a discussion. They call
it "sarcasm" "irony" or witty banter. There are many versions of this
kind of person, they argue and cause an uproar and don't understand
the uproar they cause. Others may not have understood their intention
and both sides may have gotten a little too caught up in the
discussion. It is possible to try and help these people understand
the uproar they cause using e-mail. Sometimes the cause is hopeless.
These kinds of people I have run across are ones like Mark Hines on
sci.space.shuttle, James Atkerson on alt.gathering rainbow and White
Lotus/True Lotus' has a web page at http://www.eskimo.com/~tlotus .
You can find a list of the latest trollers (or the troller trying to
get their victim in trouble) by taking a look at the newsgroups
alt.usenet.kooks, alt.syntax.tactical, alt.fan.karl-malden.nose,
alt.flame, or alt.bigfoot. The newsgroups under attack always change
over time.
See how well *your* Kook passes The Kook Test:
http://x.dejanews.com/article/394773181
Finally, I must mention Gunter Bergman did a most excellent, almost
Zippy the Pinhead-esq rendition of this FAQ :
http://x.dejanews.com/article/362393906
You too can join in the fun and Zippify a WWW page at :
http://www.metahtml.com/apps/zippy/welcome.mhtml
Defining troll, flames and crossposts
============================================
http://dir.yahoo.com/Computers_and_Internet/Internet/Usenet/Humor/Trolli
ng/
http://www.teamtechnology.co.uk/troll.htm
With the following Troll definitions:
* Playtime (1 off trolling)
* Tactical (long term trolling by a single character)
* Strategic (long term trolling using multiple characters and
different waves)
* Domination (trolls who run mailing lists themselves)
From : The ONE AND ONLY alt.flame FAQ- by Christopher Henrik Lund :
( http://www.wlu.edu/~jsorens/altflame.html )
a) Flaming: I.e. rude comments, insults, personal attacks, etc.
b) Trolling: I.e. fishing for flames. Usually takes the form of inane
postings like smarmy love chatter, useless pieces of boring
information, McClatchie's FAQ, etc.
c) Cascades: Endless meaningless threads the posters repeat the same
phrase over and over, sometimes with a little variation. They are
amusing to the ones participating in them, boring to everyone else.
Crossposting is posting a message to more than one group.
Avoiding flaming :
http://www.melsa.net/internet/tut11.htm
http://www.lowdown.com/%7Edakal/troll.html - AOL Sucks Troll FAQ
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/8789/lame.htm - REC.MUSIC.REM lame post
FAQ
http://www.halcyon.com/rem/other/lame-posts-faq - REC.MUSIC.REM lame
post FAQ
http://www.la.dtu.dk/~hbm/alt.flame/napalm.html - Alt.flame page
http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Set/2342/waste.html - a.t.x-
files troll info
Flames and trolls :
http://www.intersurf.com/~aevinc/aev2trol.htm - All about trolls
(short)
http://www.lava.net/~dewilson/writing/flame.retardant.html
http://www.lava.net/~dewilson/asd/trolls.html
http://www.netspace.org/~dmacks/internet-songbook/.spam/trolling-in-
the-newsgroups.html - The Song :-) ...
Troll NoCeM report:
http://www.dejanews.com/dnquery.xp?QRY=Troll+AND+NoCeM
The current Alt.Goth troll FAQ:
http://www.zenweb.com/pan/panstuff/agsffaq.htm
Or bring up :
http://www.hotbot.com/
and search for trolls flames
Or for a definition of Trolls :
http://www.altairiv.demon.co.uk/troll/trollfaq.html
What some of these children enjoy doing:
http://members.aol.com/macabrus/tacticalfaq.html
http://www-ucsee.eecs.berkeley.edu/~benco/humor/newsgroup.invaderz
Alt.net finally sees the light and stops trolls:
http://afk-mn.eist.co.jp/news22.html - Alt.net caves in
And finally, the Net Scum that fight Trollers and Spammers :
http://www.bostonphoenix.com/supplements/TheNet/fall97/NET_SCUM.html
What to do
============================================
You are reading one of your favorite newsgroups and all of the sudden
you see the following message:
Subject: Can I bring my cat to Hell with me?
Newsgroups:
alt.flame,alt.spleen,k12.chat.teacher,alt.bigfoot,alt.tasteless,
alt.gathering.rainbow,alt.evil,alt.bigfoot,alt.sex.cthulhu,k12.chat.se
nior,
alt.satanism,rec.pets.cats
Date: 26 Jun 1994 23:41:48 -0700
From: ant...@phakt.usc.edu (Ron Shmet)
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
I am aware that I can't take my "stuff" with me when I die...
<Rest of post deleted because of stupidity>
O.K... so you know what a flame, a crosspost and a troll are. Now
what do you do about it?
A) Sit on your hands and bite your tongue. Reread the post. It may
be a new person to the Internet who has innocently hit your raw nerve.
B) Look at the newsgroups line and see how many groups the post is
posted to, specifically look for one the newsgroups
alt.syntax.tactical, alt.flame or alt.tasteless.
C) Continue to sit on your hands.
D) Look at the header to make sure that someone hasn't forged the e-
mail return address to get someone else in trouble. For help with the
header see :
http://ddi.digital.net/~gandalf/spamfaq.html
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/alt.spam/
Or look at how to track someone:
http://208.233.94.170/fravia/fravia.org/enemy.htm
E) Stop sitting on your hands, but *Don't* reply to the post.
F) Read the alt.bigfoot FAQ :
http://www.lib.ox.ac.uk/internet/news/faq/archive/bigfoot.part1.html
http://www.lib.ox.ac.uk/internet/news/faq/archive/bigfoot.part2.html
G) Sit and think.
H) Read about the Gullibility Virus. This is a very funny editorial
to be passed along to your friends who send you all those hoaxes :
http://www.sccu.edu/faculty/R_Harris/warning.htm
I) Whatever you do, don't reply to the post.
Hopefully if you have done all these steps your blood pressure has
gone down a few points.
The above applies to *all* posts that are trolls. The post may only
be to one newsgroup, but none the less it is a troll to try & cause
problems in the newsgroup. DO NOT POST! It will only get more people
upset at you than at the original flamer.
If you feel like you *have* to post a message TRIM THE NEWSGROUPS!
Delete EVERY other newsgroups from the header except the group you are
posting to. If you cannot delete the excess newsgroups, please do
everybody a favor and don't post.
E-Mailing
============================================
First off (as you might have guessed) DO NOT post a message to your
newsgroup to *anybody* who is trolling for a reply. It will only
clutter up your newsgroup and get everybody else upset at *you* for
replying.
Remember, Deja-News is your friend. Go to
http://www.dejanews.com/home_ps.shtml and type in the e-mail of the
poster, click on "find" and then when you see the posters e-mail on
the right side of the screen click on their name. An author profile
of the newsgroups they post to will appear. This will tell you the
tendencies of the poster and may give a clue as to their proclivities.
If they post to alt.flame, then you know them.
If the message has been posted thru a anonymous remailer then you
should just contact the remailer. Unfortunately this only causes more
problems for the ability to post anonymous messages (an important
freedom of speech resource that should not be destroyed). The E-mail
address has probably been forged. To find out about remailers, see:
http://www.well.com/user/abacard/remail.html
For a list of them see :
http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html
If you feel like you have to do *something*, then you should contact
the person who posted the message. PLEASE send a *nice* message and
ask them why they did this. Remember, the e-mail is *very* easy to
forge and the troll may have been posted only to get someone else in
trouble. Another item to consider is that the person may be a net
newbie. They may not *know* that they are starting a flame war or
making posts that look like trolls. They *may* be sincere about their
posts and just need some guidance. Help them, please.
If you get a nasty reply (or no reply and the posts continue), then
your next option is to send a message to the persons postmaster. See
the above spamfaq URL for how to figure out what postmaster to send
your message to.
Andrew reminds us:
1. Keep it simple, keep it short. Postmasters are amazingly busy
people.
2. Be polite. It's not the postmaster you're cheesed off at.
3. Make sure you include the full headers so the postmaster has the
all-important Message-ID tag to track the troll. Export the message to
a text file and paste it back in if you need to.
4. Thank the postmaster for his/her efforts at the end. Gratitude
before the fact will help spur the postmaster to effort on your
behalf.
5. Be patient. It may take the postmaster a few days or a few gripes
to act. Don't repost the same gripe multiple times. New gripes,
however, are permissible.
6. If the troll becomes harassing and/or actionable and you can
identify the site from the headers, call the postmaster. LD charges
may be worth it. Follow the preceding rules for the phone call. Be
polite, be brief, and thank the person for their efforts. One call is
usually all it takes.
Example gripe :
Dear Postmaster:
Please find attached the headers and body text of a harassing message
posted to <Your Newsgroup>. As the message originated at your site,
I'd like to request your assistance in explaining to the offending
user the rules of online etiquette. Thank you for your time.
Killfiles
============================================
Most newsreaders support a killfile. A killfile tells your newsreader
to "ignore" certain posts or posters. The beauty is that you never
have to see a message from "X" again, or about subject "X" again.
Adding posts to killfiles :
http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/killfile-faq/faq.html
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.software.readers/rn_KILL_file_FAQ
If you are a News Administrator (or you know one), you can filter out
A.S.T posts (thereby also stopping the propagation of these same
posts). Look at :
List of anti-spam software:
http://www.exit109.com/~jeremy/news/antispam.html
Some of the software:
http://www.exit109.com/~jeremy/news/cleanfeed.html
http://www.spamhippo.com/
If you follow all of the above steps, you will be happier, but most
importantly Usenet will be happier for having less bandwidth abused.
Welcome to the Troll FAQ.
A description of the alt.syntax.tactical crew (and lesser trolls)
=================================================================
You will find a description of the AST crew below, but first I must
mention the lesser groups that inhabit the Internet. From the group
alt.games.creatures we find a group of trolls that (as many trolls do)
try to make it seem that they are the purveyors of the truth ...
everybody else is wronging them.
See http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/6042/index.html
Where we find THE AVENGER SQUADRON
----------------------------------
The terrorists on AGC have opened a Pandora's box of terrorism. We
intend to neutralize that box and close it once and for all, without
breaking any laws.
"Fear is a powerful and dangerous thing." -A quote.
We will stop them, without breaking the law.
We are the defenders of justice and peace and we will fight to protect
innocent people from the savage violence and hatred on AGC that exists
because it was formerly overrun with terrorists. We have successfully
ridden it of several hate-mongering persons and groups, and continue
to do whatever we can to uphold freedom and peace.
Those guilty of violations have accused us of trickery, lies, and
forgery. This is not the case. We have never lied. We only make
legitimate complaints that truly violate Terms of Service Agreements.
Those who wrongly accuse us of these things are no doubt guilty of
violations themselves and wish to rid themselves of us so that they
can continue their inappropriate activities and get away with them.
They will not succeed in trying to destroy us. We are here to stay.
----------------------------------
Isn't that just the CUTEST thing :-) ...
The rest of this AST FAQ is here for historical purposes only. Below
we find the sad description of the AST crew. Everything below this
has not been updated (and will not be updated) since this FAQ was
created in March of 1996.
Victor wrote a description about the alt.syntactical wrecking crew.
Below is his post (I have cut out the parts to the alt.syntax.tactical
FAQ because they are included later):
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:52:38 MST
Welcome to the All About alt.syntax.tactical FAQ
(or, Know Your Jerk)
Irregular Posting
*Sigh*. A fresh batch of shitheads have arrived. I do applaud everyone
for ignoring them. However newbies are advised to read the following.
-- What is this FAQ about? --
This FAQ is for new users who enter the wonderful world of Internet
only to be disappointed by stumbling upon gigabytes of stupidity and
old timers who know that idiots tend to hang around in groups. The
subject here are a bunch of infantile losers known as -
Alt.syntax.tactical
A.s.t can claim the dubious honor of being the only group that even
alt.flame can look down upon.
-- Why do they do this? --
Beats me. Seems like an awful lot of boring, repetitive rote work with
the only reward being regarded as an electronic cockroach plague by
the rest of the net community.
-- How do I recognize an alt.syntax.tactical post in general? --
- Cross posting to a large number of groups. Attention seeking
exercise.
- The "flogging a dead horse" syndrome. Taking topics that have been
done to death and rehashing them. In this case, trying to start
another alt.tasteless/rec.pets.cats flame-war (ho-hum). This is likely
due to the article detailing the original flame-war appearing in WiReD
magazine, so probably seeking attention again.
- General lack of interest, humor and a lame attempt to be offensive,
like crossposting to rec.pets.cats, the two K12 groups and
alt.gathering.rainbow.
Other general characteristics -
- a.s.t posters are in the habit of following up there own articles if
the original was (wisely) ignored.
- reposting complete articles or flame/counter flames with one line
comments, thus maximizing bulk.
- endless flame/counter-flames between the various a.s.t invasion wave
members when the real newsgroup members(wisely) ignore them.
As a rule of thumb, if it is boring, pointless and inane, you can bank
on it being from a.s.t.
-- What can I do about stupid a.s.t posts? --
The golden rule is ignore. If someone farts in a room, the smell will
eventually go away. Likewise, if a.s.t is largely ignored, they too
will go away.
Resist all urges to reply. You'll be bashing your head against a brick
wall and only giving them satisfaction. Learn to use your kill-file,
ask someone you know how if you don't know. The more hi-tech among you
may want to track them down and extract whatever electronic revenge
you can.
-- Where do a.s.t reside, usually? --
There originally was an a.s.t group, and it still gets used
occasionally. Mostly, they hang out in alt.bigfoot, which was
probably originally a Sasquatch interest group which they invaded and
decided to keep, and in alt.flame.
-- Who are the members of a.s.t? --
(Note : These people haven't posted in a long time, so this is an old
list)
OK, here is the listing. If any body has any other addresses, e-mail,
and we'll add them.
Name and/or handle Address
_____________________________________________
Robert Trent tr...@vertigo.helix
Supreme commander har...@vertigo.helix
Shafik Harmoni tr...@mprgate.mpr.ca
Antebi ant...@scf.usc.edu
Rev. Antebi ant...@ucla.edu
Ron Shmet ant...@phakt.usc.edu
ant...@chaph.usc.edu
sh...@ucla.edu
Wilf wi...@doe.carlton.ca
Bulldog bul...@achilles.net
wi...@sce.carlton.ca
Dewme sd...@charlie.usd.edu
Charlie Dew sdew.nyx.du.edu
sd...@tulip.usd.edu
Wild Bill trav...@teleport.com
Bill Travis bi...@suntan.vid.ilstu.edu
Doug Weber gro...@netcom.com
Lisa Park Yzer-GOD bro...@netcom.com
John Kordic jpd...@netcom.com
Plus an ever changing variety of others. As has come to pass, it isn't
even necessary to know the above idiots, though they are the most
predominant and have popped up in a.t several times this year.
A.s.t has matured with time to be just another generic term for
bandwidth wasting shit-heads.
The alt.syntax.tactical FAQ - Know your opponents
=================================================
Here's some relevant source material, obtained from one of the
members, the "real" FAQ of AST, a somewhat less serious one, and one
distributed -about- AST.
The Invasion FAQ of A.S.T.
Although not exactly a FAQ, this file is more of an explanation of why
alt.syntax.tactical and the tactical-list were created. It also lays
down the foundation for the structure, strategy, and protocol of
USENET invasions.
* Invasion *
Each of us brings our own reasons, backgrounds and motivations into
this scheme. What is important is that each individual brings into
this their own brand of inspired mischief. In some ways it is
completely innocent. In some ways it is completely destructive.
Anyone can walk into alt.sex and post that pornography should be
banned. Anyone can walk into rec.sport.baseball and say "baseball
sucks". It takes unbelievable skill and discipline to cause a
PROLONGED flame war. That is what we do. But it can only be done with
talent, and numbers to match that talent. We only bring into the fold
people who have the knack to use smarts to incite chaos, not stupidity
to incite being ignored when people see a post and know what you're up
to.
To keep things running smoothly, Antebi is our 'moderator'. jpdavid
was responsible for creating the mailing-list and setting up the
initial newsgroup. Everyone is equal in suggesting and voting on
invasion sites and other basic day-to-day workings of the group.
Everyone here gains or loses merit only in the invasion arena.
* Waves of Invasion *
Flames and wars between groups are as old as Usenet. What we try to do
is in many ways fundamentally different from what is or has been done
in this area.
After picking a site, we call for an invasion on that site. There are
a number of phases to an invasion. Each person can volunteer for which
wave they want to be in, but more times than not, it is a first come-
first served policy. It is always important that no one jump the gun
and go in before we have time to prepare and bounce ideas off each
other. It's also important that people don't switch waves without
letting everyone know. Flexibility is the key, as is communication.
Typically, we use between two and five Waves of attack. Waves will
generally break down into this kind of structure:
a: Reconnaissance (RECON): These people will go in early and usually
set up camp as "friends of the newsgroup". They will become trusted
and participate by joining previous discussions or starting non-
controversial ones themselves. They will also act as "double-agents"
to counter-flame the other waves as the invasion progresses. They key
is building a bit of credibility.
b: Wave One: Wave one will usually be what starts the flame war.
Those involved in this wave can go on and each have a different flame,
or go on and flame in unison. They can bring in a subject of their
own or flame a previous discussion. What matters is that this initial
wave will be the one that the invaded newsgroup will have their
attention on. This wave calls for extreme subtlety. The quality of the
flame MUST be at its highest point here.
c: Wave Two: Wave Two will consist of tactics to attack the people
who were sent in as recon and attempt to start totally new flame
threads. The key here is that even if we attack a group of people
restrained enough to resist our flame-bait, wave two will stir things
up and get others to join in.
d: Wave Three: Wave three will generally change depending on the
campaign, but will generally be added to push the confusion and chaos
over the top. Flame the recon, flame the first wave, flame the second
wave. These guys are our balls out, rude SOB's. Mop up and clean out.
Sometimes (usually with bigger groups) Wave three will simply be along
the lines of a wave two. We will call for a wave four (or five) to be
the balls out routine. We will sometimes add a wave or two because
depending on the size and intelligence of a newsgroup.
Miscellaneous Tactics:
There are three other things that we typically use, depending on
the sophistication of the invasion.
LOOSE CANNONS are people who come in and act so strange and obtuse
that it makes the rest of the flames look genuine.
THE ANON SERVICE can be used to send posts anonymously. This is a good
way to post and pretend to be scared of retribution. Only problem is
that this is usually the first sign that a post is a flame, so it
should only be used with a TREMENDOUS amount of DISCRETION.
CROSS POSTING is also a popular method of choice by other flame
groups, so it is important to Cross Post with discretion. If we can
cross post to bring in other newsgroups to unwittingly assist us,
perfect. If we cross post to suspicious newsgroups, our intentions
will be obvious.
* Victory *
Ideally, signs of victory are the following:
o Our names appear in killfiles
o Majority or ALL threads in invaded newsgroup were started by us
o Regulars/legit people abandon invaded newsgroup
o Receive much hate mail - as does our SysAdmin
o To be reprimanded by the glorious SysAdmin
* Notes *
Most important is the need to be SUBTLE when it is required. One
misplaced post can ruin it for the rest of us. Those of you who have
participated in widespread flame wars know the feeling of having a
newsgroup going for a long time, then someone posts an obvious flame
or something so far out of context, that everyone says to just ignore
the flames, which eventually includes all of us. Blowing a flame war
will occasionally happen, but if it could have been avoided with a
little thinking, then it's not as excusable.
We've got to share duties. Everyone should get practice playing
different roles and different waves.
It has been assumed that if you don't want to participate, fine. No
one will hold it against you. What is expected is that if you don't
want to participate you don't have to, but that also means that you
wont go warning that newsgroup when an invasion happens. You will
close your eyes and turn a blind eye. NO NEWSGROUP IS OFF LIMITS!!!!!!
Another thing many people seem to be talking about are SIGS AND NAMES.
Try to take on appropriate names. If you are on alt.rap, D.J. Trouble
is not going to stir things up...if you show up on soc.culture.physics
with that name, you're caught before your first word of text. If a Sig
is going to blow your cover, lose it.
Official Kudos:
- under construction -
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ALT.SYNTAX.TACTICAL: The FAQ
v. 0.98
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Table of Contents:
A> Introduction to alt.syntax.tactical
B> Questions Frequently Asked
00> What is tactical syntax?
01> What do those long words mean?
02> What do you get when you put those words into an alt newsgroup?
03> Why is tactical syntax important to us?
04> What kinds of topics will be discussed on a.s.t?
05> Have certain ethnic groups or women as a gender been biased by
syntactical tactics?
06> What languages make the best and worst use of syntax?
07> What are some of the hidden secrets of syntax?
08> How and why has syntax changed over the years?
09> Can studing[sic] other types of languages (sign, Braille, etc.)
help us understand our own tactical syntax?
10> In case of emergency, who should we contact?
11> What other newsgroups might I find interesting?
12> Who is out to get us?
13> Who is an a.s.t approved author?
14> What is the Tertiary Syntactical Cycle?
15> Is there any Television syntax?
16> Who is the current caretaker of the newsgroup?
C> Summary
-------------------------------------------
A> Introduction to alt.syntax.tactical
Welcome to the FAQ for alt.syntax.tactical. It was founded for the
purpose of offering an oasis to those seeking intensive and concrete
forum to discuss issues surrounding the mystique of "tactical syntax"
or "strategic sentencing". We also like to play with 'magick' and the
intrinsic tactical-syntax needed to sucker the post-D&D crowd.
-------------------------------------------
B> Frequently asked questions
0> What is tactical syntax?
It is structure, and structure is meaning. That is the point of this
newsgroup. Part of the tactics is to steal language back from the
academics who would have us believe that the real meaning of language
can only be found in areas which can be understood only by them, not
by "the rest of us".
1> What do those long words mean?
tactical = An expedient for achieving an end. The science of using
strategy to gain military objectives. Skillful maneuvering to achieve
a goal.
syntax = The way in which words are put together to form sentences,
clauses and phrases.
2> What do you get when you put those words into an alt newsgroup?
Alt.syntax.tactical is dedicated to serving those who are both
attracted to and repulsed by the myriad of options regarding the
structure, logistics, ethics and morality of
sentences/clauses/phrases. This group will NOT debate grammar in it's
intrinsic form, nor debate the correct and incorrect forms of
spelling. Words, isolated. mean nothing to us. Words, tactfully
arranged, mean everything. alt.syntax.tactical will attempt to present
itself as a forum for those searching for better ways to communicate
through utilizing the ultimate good deeds of others through both
debate and causal/friendly suggestion. Alt.syntax.tactical should
function as a freeform information branch to get a better grasp of how
and why syntax makes an impact on not just our own lives, but the
lives of our nuclear families and human civilization as well.
3> Why is tactical syntax important to us?
The great debate of our century has been how the great personalities
of our time have worked their communicative "magic". One might ask if
the British would have survived without the brilliant syntax of
Winston Churchill. Or one might ask is the Nazi's would have even
been given a blinking chance to create the Third Reich without the
brilliant, albeit malevolent, syntax of Adolf Hitler. What makes good
syntax? We find that the more tactical the syntax is the better that
syntax is.
To understand the importance of syntax in the Modern, flame Postmodern
and Macromoderno age, it is essential to acknowledge the contribution
of semantics and language mechanics. We must understand the contrived
and manipulative effects of social/political/interpersonal propaganda.
Can syntax help you get a discount when purchasing items in a retail
store? Can syntax make or break an international peace treaty? What
is the subjective bias of syntax relative to the teeming population of
mass humanity and objective reality.
4> What kinds of topics will be discussed on a.s.t?
* The Psychology of Syntax.
* Verbal and Non-Verbal gestures and their effect on Syntax.
* Syntax under the manipulative effect of hypnosis.
* Dyslexia/Schizophrenia and Syntax
* Syntax under the effects of drugs and alcohol
* The Syntax of Slang
* Situational Syntax
* The History and Development of North American Syntax
* Sex, Syntax and the 90's
* Violence and the Syntax dialectic
* Syntax and propaganda in Cold War Russia
5> Have certain ethnic groups or women as a gender been biased by
syntactical tactics?
Yes. Within the Specific and General domains of syntax, language and
diction have been used by various factions of meta-institutions to
support the downsizing and exploitation of women and members of ethnic
groups.
6> What languages make the best and worst use of syntax?
Typically, languages with larger vocabularies (Romance) lend
themselves to more tactical approaches to diction than languages with
smaller vocabularies (i.e. Serubian).
7> What are some of the hidden secrets of syntax?
Join the Newsgroup and find out. We will tell you. Hint: It has
nothing to do with dolphin squeaks.
8> How and why has syntax changed over the years?
As fluid as a river in the desert, syntax has flowed with change.
Change is a natural evolution from the sea to the trees, the question
is not so much how and why, but when and how.
9> Can studing other types of languages (sign, Braille, etc.) help us
understand our own tactical syntax?
Of course it can. But for the most part, we only care about English.
Although, we would like to learn to swear in other languages. Look out
for the alt.syntax.tactical 'Insulting Foreigners' FAQ coming to a.s.t
soon!
10> In case of emergency, who should we contact?
Please post your problem first, but in case of emergency, you can e-
mail to VICE-PR...@WHITEHOUSE.GOV
11> What other newsgroups might I find interesting?
Other a.s.t recommended newsgroups include:
alt.nuke.the.usa
alt.forgery
comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
alt.fan.warlord
alt.spelling
alt.sex.bestiality
12> Who is out to get us?
The professionals who want to reduce language to:
(1) semantics (that is, little tiny bits which can only be studied
with an electron microscope), or
(2) "deep" structures which can only be studied by psycho-bio-physio-
neurochemists
13> Who is an a.s.t approved author?
Thomas Hardy - In the examination of the uses of Syntactical Fiction
as a means to brainwash an unyielding public, one of the nineteenth
century authors who best personifies this effort is Thomas Hardy,
specifically in his novel, "The Mayor of Casterbridge" in which he
presents moral dilemmas at an astounding rate and everything runs in
intense cycles of threes. There is not a single aspect of the book
that does not contain this Tertiary Syntactical Cycle<TSC>.
14> What is the Tertiary Syntactical Cycle?
TSC is probably the most powerful and oft used tactic in the attack on
unsuspecting minds. Take comedians: All comics tell a joke a maximum
of three times. The will get a bigger and better laugh the second and
third telling. No competent comic will say a joke a fourth time.
This is a violation of TSC and is not to be tolerated. TSC is also the
reason that Hollywood produces Trilogies. The Lord of the Rings is
perfect in its trimetry. There is a purpose behind TSC and we must
all see and use this tactic as a matter of common rule and not as an
optional choice. We have no Optional Choices!
15> Is there any television syntax?
That to which you refer actually has its basis in the code written
circa 1938 by Dr. Y. Cournoyer of McGill University. In the preface to
the Canadian Royal Syntactical Performance Methodology Code, Dr.
Cournoyer states,
"Subversion through the syntactical methodology of oratological mind
control must be closely supervised and regulated. Patterns of words
transmitted non-personally can have a tremendous impact on a man's
[sic] panic centers"
The good doctor had studied this effect of radio broadcasts among
small populations in northern New Brunswick, and, luckily for us, had
anticipated the mass visual medium of television. The code, first
adopted by the CRTC and followed by the American FCC, prohibits the
broadcast of certain syllabic and phonemic patterns, and sets a syntax
standard adopted all over God's Green Earth.
16> Who is the current caretaker?
We let Teagi keep the group alive, and promote distribution. If your
site doesn't carry it, let them know you want it!
C> Again, welcome to alt.syntax.tactical. We hope you join us in our
discussions and learn. please use the knowledge acquired for good, not
evil.
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Archimedes Plutonium
Dean Chamberlain <d_ch...@ARCHIMEDESuncg.eduPLUTONIUMneener> writes:
>
> If it were NASA who was "attacking" you surely those urls should contain
> words like www.nasa.gov ?
Ken Hollis works for NASA and his job with NASA assigns him computer
work. I do not think NASA required him to do a "troll FAQ" or even to
create a alt.sytax.tactical as a attack platform on private US
citizens, but it ended up as such.
It is obvious that Ken Hollis is one of those "loose cannons"
employed by the US government. How else can one explain a NASA worker
creating a "troll FAQ" and attacking private citizens, but as one with
"loose cannon and marbles." And although he is not as dangerous as the
loose cannon depicted in the SSBN nuclear sub movies such as RED
OCTOBER, nonetheless, engineers who work for the government should be
looked at closely once they display a "loose-cannon syndrome". The US
govt has a knack of moving employees around and they just may put him
near a SSBN or a shuttle or spacecraft.
His "troll FAQ" is all a facade. His real intentions are to name
everyone he dislikes into that FAQ such that the person's searchengine
is utterly bombed out. Here we have a clear cut case of a US govt
employee attacking private US citizens.
Now many will say I sent NASA the letter because NASA has deep
pockets, much deeper than does some piddly ISP company. But that is not
why I sent NASA the letter. The reason I sent it to them is because a
alt newsgroup FAQ is preposterous in the first place. The creation of
alt.sytax.tactical is a attack platform. And the mixing of FAQ, where
newbies post the FAQ in their newsgroup, unaware of Ken Hollis, US Govt
real intention of bombing out the search engines of private citizens.
I see little difference in bombing out a private citizens Fac.
machine where the law is a $500 fine per post. And that of bombing out
a private citizens Search Engines. We now have laws governing
"Emailbombing". We do not have laws governing "Searchengingbombing".
A case against the US govt NASA may correct this gap.
Archimedes Plutonium
Archimedes...@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium) writes:
> I see little difference in bombing out a private citizens Fac.
> machine where the law is a $500 fine per post. And that of bombing out
> a private citizens Search Engines. We now have laws governing
> "Emailbombing". We do not have laws governing "Searchengingbombing".
>
> A case against the US govt NASA may correct this gap.
Let us suppose that the above lawsuit materializes and I have the
permission of the US govt to sue them. And so I prepare for trial, and
let us be optimistic that it lasts for only 2 years. My entire lawsuit
would probably be antiquated before finished. The reason I say that is
because everyday the Internet is becoming more and more commercialized
and that is telescoping into a Telephone supra-structure.
Many of the ills and evils of present day Internet such as
searchenginebombing, emailbombing, unsolicited email ads, forging of
names to subscription lists, stalking, and even the quoting of long
posts just to add a sentence. Almost all of that can be eliminated with
one sweeping new change. A fee of say 10 cents per post or 50 cents per
post or to match what a letter postage stamp costs which will be 33
cents come January 1999.
I suspect that many foreign countries already impose fees for each
post made. In the US a flat montly fee to an ISP does not stop persons
from making frivolous and often stalking posts. But once more and more
commercialism is connected to Internet, the rules and laws governing
telephones will run rather congruous or synchronize with the rules and
laws governing Usenet posts. So that one difference is that a telephone
call is private but a Usenet post is public. But the laws and rules
governing either one are made to be the same whereever possible. The
basic underlying foundation of Internet is the Telephone company with
their lines. And thus the melding together of the laws and rules
governing telephone calls will mirror the posts on Internet.
So, if I breeze along and take NASA to court, I may be outpaced in
the race for reform of Internet for the commercialization changes would
drastically change aspects such as searchenginebombing or stalking etc.
brian eable
James "Kibo" Parry <ki...@world.std.com> wrote:
> In misc.legal, Archimedes Plutonium
(Archimedes...@dartmouth.edu) wrote:
>> Almost all of that can be eliminated with
>> one sweeping new change. A fee of say 10 cents per post or 50 cents
per post or to
>>match what a letter postage stamp costs which
>> will be 33 cents come January 1999.
>
the Internet goes?
>Like, you know, at that Canadian University
> you're trying to sue?
ATTENTION: All personnel: We have a new addition to the Plutonium
Atom Theory, Maths Subsection.
10 or 50 matches 33
or to express it in mathematical notation:
(10 || 50) == 33
FALSE!!! BZZZTTT!!! GAAAAHHHH!!!
D'OH!!!
stupid maths who needs it anyway mumble mumble grumble...
cheers
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James Kibo Parry
> From the legal-law Desk of the Archimedes Plutonium
Wow! Now he's THE Archimedes Plutonium! It's like the difference between
Frank Avruch and Larry Harmon: One was A bozo, the other is THE Bozo!
Archie, which of the two are you?
> Address: Archimedes Plutonium, Hinman Box 6165, Dartmouth College,
> Hanover NH 03755
> Date: 12DEC98
> To: NASA
> National Aeronautics and Space Administration
> 300 E. St. SW
> Washington, DC 20546
Why do I get the feeling that this isn't the first letter he's sent them?
"Dear NASA, I would like to be a astronaut. Because I like your
TV show, 'Star Wars'. Please send me a autographed photo of the space shuttle.
Your friend, A. Plutonium. Excuse me, The Plutonium."
>
> Subject: Bill-for-Payment
>
> This is a bill for the willful attempt by NASA to disable the
> searchengine machinery of Archimedes Plutonium and colleagues on the
> Internet from 1997-1998.
Wow! Archie is the guy with the hardhat in those commercials for
NBC's "snap.com"!
Archie, your imaginary industrial infrastructure is polluting our environment
with toxic plutonium and its by-products, including replies from jerks
like me.
> According to Dejanews search engine Ken Hollis
> via gan...@digital.net posting a periodic and repetitious FAQ which he
> calls "troll FAQ" but rather, which has the underlying intent to
> multiply over the Internet searchengines and to bomb-out Archimedes
> Plutonium
Why do I get the feeling that he learned his grammar from a textbook
written by that master of the English language, L. Ron Hubbard?
> from search engine machinery. NASA generated 55 such
> search-engine-bombs from 1997-1998 upon Archimedes Plutonium and
> science colleagues.
I can't wait 'til the part of the trial where you try to get people
to admit under oath that they are your colleagues.
> The charge for each post (bomb) whose intent, or effect, is to disable
> machinery used by the Plutonium Atom Foundation and science colleagues
> is a flat fee of $500. per post (bomb). Whether the search engine bomb
> was sent by Ken Hollis of gandalf, or by others spreading the Hollis
> FAQ, makes no difference. The intent or effect is there, and is to
> disable the searchengines seeking Archimedes Plutonium and science
> colleagues. The US law has a $500 fine per disabling tactics of Fac
> machines of private citizens.
Now, see, if Archie were British, he could have said he was a "Fac Tory".
I MADE THAT PUN UP ALL BY MYSELF!!!!
> And the US law forbids the disabling of
> government computer machines and govt Fac machines.
Yes, it's in the Consticution. Written in the state of Connecticuc.
> Yet, it appears as though the US government in the likes of NASA,
> Ken Hollis is engaged in disabling the search engine machinery of
> private US citizens.
I... see. So now your theory is that NASA spends its time heading the
vast conspiracy to disagree with Archimedes Plutonium's completely sane ideas,
a conspiracy which includes AOL, a Canadian university, me, Andrew Wiles,
the New York Times, the Jews who run the New York Times, and various
Internet service providers.
Just out of curiosity, Arch, are there any people who aren't in the
conspiracy to overthrow you as King of Science? Other than you and Popeye.
> The total charge to NASA from the Internet platform of
> alt.syntax.tactical "troll FAQ" attempting to disable the searchengine
> machinery of Archimedes Plutonium and colleagues is a charge of 55 x
> $500 = $27,500. You are given 2 months to pay this bill from the date
> of mailing 12DEC98.
Again, further proof that Archie hasn't yet considered using his great
genius to figure out a way around the Year 2000 Bug.
> Carbon Copy: Usenet: misc.legal
"YOUR HONOR, IT MUST BE LEGALLY BINDING, HE POSTED A CARBON COPY TO USENET!"
(Mental image: Archie pressing a sheet of carbon paper against his
Mac's screen.)
> Note: the first two words "From the" are vivaldi font; rest is in
> geneva font
You should only use the Geneva font when suing the U.N. When suing NASA
you should use some nice American font, or possibly something which
reflects the your personality, such as Zapf Dingbats.
> and the headers are in gold as per the letterhead of the
> Plutonium Atom Foundation, but no use in wasting this nice cotton paper
> on the above).
Yeah, let's just waste people's time on the Internet.
WASTE IMAGINARY CARBON PAPER, NOT REAL PAPER!!!
-- K.
A carbon copy of this has been
sent to the Trilateral Commission
by carrier pigeon, NO SOAP, RADIO, RADIO!!
James Kibo Parry
>
> Ken Hollis works for NASA and his job with NASA assigns him computer
> work. I do not think NASA required him to do a "troll FAQ" or even to
> create a alt.sytax.tactical as a attack platform on private US
> citizens, but it ended up as such.
So you're saying that you're suing NASA even though by your own admission
they WEREN'T responsible for the actions you think Mr. Hollis performed?
Wow, it takes GUTS to be that insane.
(I only said he has guts to be nice, because I always try to be nice to
crazy people and not point out their obvious faults.)
> It is obvious that Ken Hollis is one of those "loose cannons"
> employed by the US government. How else can one explain a NASA worker
> creating a "troll FAQ" and attacking private citizens, but as one with
> "loose cannon and marbles."
I see, so you're saying that Mr. Hollis is the one who took your marbles?
> And although he is not as dangerous as the
> loose cannon depicted in the SSBN nuclear sub movies such as RED
> OCTOBER, nonetheless, engineers who work for the government should be
> looked at closely once they display a "loose-cannon syndrome".
I see, so you case is based on the fact that NASA is just like a movie
in which Sean Connery pretended to have a Russian accent and his nose
became transparent whenever he stood in front of the bluescreen?
That movie was every bit as realistic as any Connery movie, including
"Goldfinger", "Highlander 2: The Quickening", and "Zardoz"!
> The US govt has a knack of moving employees around and they just may
> put him near a SSBN or a shuttle or spacecraft.
Yeah, the generals who command NASA might break him to Space Ensign!
> His "troll FAQ" is all a facade. His real intentions are to name
> everyone he dislikes into that FAQ such that the person's searchengine
> is utterly bombed out. Here we have a clear cut case of a US govt
> employee attacking private US citizens.
>
> Now many will say I sent NASA the letter because NASA has deep
> pockets, much deeper than does some piddly ISP company.
Yeah, and the federal government doesn't even have any mean-spirited
lawyers working for it!
Have you considered sending a copy of your letter to Ken Starr?
> But that is not why I sent NASA the letter. The reason I sent it to them
> is because a alt newsgroup FAQ is preposterous in the first place.
CURSES! NASA IS CAUGHT IN AN INESCAPABLE GRAVITY WELL OF LOGIC!!!
> The creation of alt.sytax.tactical is a attack platform.
> And the mixing of FAQ, where newbies post the FAQ in their newsgroup,
> unaware of Ken Hollis, US Govt real intention of bombing out the search
> engines of private citizens.
You know, it's interesting how the more carefully he tries to explain
his beliefs to us the harder they are to understand.
> I see little difference in bombing out a private citizens Fac.
> machine where the law is a $500 fine per post. And that of bombing out
> a private citizens Search Engines. We now have laws governing
> "Emailbombing". We do not have laws governing "Searchengingbombing".
Yes, and we also do not have any against "blurchengingbonging".
> A case against the US govt NASA may correct this gap.
I was under the impression that electroshock therapy _creates_ gaps.
-- K.
AND REMEMBER, YOU CAN'T SPELL
"SEARCHENGINGBOMBING" WITHOUT "ARCH"!
James Kibo Parry
> permission of the US govt to sue them.
While we're on the subject of science fiction,
HEY ARCH, DON'T FORGET TO GET THE PRESIDENT'S SIGNATURE IN WRITING,
AND MAKE HIM SHOW YOU TWO FORMS OF I.D. LIKE THAT LITTLE KID DID TO BUSH.
I AM NOT IMPLYING YOU ARE AS SMART AS THAT LITTLE KID.
> And so I prepare for trial, and let us be optimistic that it lasts for
> only 2 years.
Archimedes Plutonium would have to ride his bicycle from Dartmouth to
the Supreme Court every day for two years, and might develop leg muscles
big enough to see!
> My entire lawsuit would probably be antiquated before finished.
I think you can generalize that to your entire internal landscape.
> The reason I say that is
> because everyday the Internet is becoming more and more commercialized
> and that is telescoping into a Telephone supra-structure.
THE INTERNET IS TELESCOPING!!! RUN!!! AAAIIIIEEE!!! I'M BEING CRUSHED
IN ALT.SCI.PHYSCS.PLTNM!!!
> Many of the ills and evils of present day Internet such as
> searchenginebombing, emailbombing, unsolicited email ads, forging of
> names to subscription lists, stalking, and even the quoting of long
> posts just to add a sentence.
I agree, nobody should be allowed to add ANYTHING to your posts.
> Almost all of that can be eliminated with
> one sweeping new change. A fee of say 10 cents per post or 50 cents per
> post or to match what a letter postage stamp costs which will be 33
> cents come January 1999.
Arch, once again, have you realized that it's not 33 cents everwhere
the Internet goes? Like, you know, at that Canadian University you're
trying to sue?
> I suspect that many foreign countries already impose fees for each
> post made. In the US a flat montly fee to an ISP does not stop persons
> from making frivolous and often stalking posts.
BUT CHARGING PEOPLE AN EXTRA TEN SECONDS WOULD MAKE ONLY PEOPLE WHO HAD
AT LEAST TEN CENTS IN THE BANK ABLE TO CALL ARCHIE AN IDIOT!
I like it. I am setting aside a whole dollar as the budget for my next post.
> [...]
> So, if I breeze along and take NASA to court,
Be sure to mention, when you file your legally-worded complaint, that
you are breezing.
"Your honor, there is a breeze coming from the plaintiff."
> I may be outpaced in the race for reform of Internet
even on your bicycle?
> for the commercialization changes would drastically change aspects
> such as searchenginebombing or stalking etc.
So that's ten cents per person you stalk? Is Jodie Foster the same
price as, say, Claudia Christian? Is there a group discount?
-- K.
Can you get together with three other guys and
time-share a celebrity in eight-hour shifts?
Dean Lenort
Quick! Call an emergency session of congress! It turns out the US has
a "Searchengingbombing" gap with the ..., with the ... Who do we have a
"Searchengingbombing" gap with? If we're going to pour a couple of
billion dollars into this project to close the "Searchengingbombing" gap
then we had better have a strategic interest to protect.
Hey kids. The US has a dangerous "Searchengingbombing" gap with either
some other country or powerful foreign individual. Let's help Archie
define who this gap is with so our country (US of A) can spend a couple
of billion dollars to close this gap.
Write your name and address on a 3x5 card along with the name of the
entity with which we have a "Searchengingbombing" gap and mail to:
"Searchengingbombing" Gap
343 Pearlham Greville Rd
Perth, Austria
Winners will be announced during the weeklong festivities that will
coincide with Archie's lawsuit against everyone everywhere that will be
going to trial someday. We've retained the respected Beable von Beable
Enterprises to do a fair and impartial judging of all entries that have
pictures of dead presidents enclosed.
So send your entry today! You can't win if you don't enter!
--
Dean Lenort dean....@att.net
ARCHIMEDES PLUTONIUM IS A LIE...YOU KNOW ABOUT BAY WATCH? - MegaHal
Pope Emperor FrogMaN
Archimedes...@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium) was
abducted by psychotic Alfs ("yo!"), anally probed, and decreed:
>In article <Pine.GSO.3.96.981212...@maggie.uncg.edu>
>Dean Chamberlain <d_ch...@ARCHIMEDESuncg.eduPLUTONIUMneener> writes:
>
>>
>> If it were NASA who was "attacking" you surely those urls should contain
>> words like www.nasa.gov ?
>
> Ken Hollis works for NASA and his job with NASA assigns him computer
>work. I do not think NASA required him to do a "troll FAQ" or even to
>create a alt.sytax.tactical as a attack platform on private US
>citizens, but it ended up as such.
> It is obvious that Ken Hollis is one of those "loose cannons"
>employed by the US government. How else can one explain a NASA worker
>creating a "troll FAQ" and attacking private citizens, but as one with
>"loose cannon and marbles." And although he is not as dangerous as the
>loose cannon depicted in the SSBN nuclear sub movies such as RED
>OCTOBER, nonetheless, engineers who work for the government should be
>looked at closely once they display a "loose-cannon syndrome". The US
>govt has a knack of moving employees around and they just may put him
>near a SSBN or a shuttle or spacecraft.
>
> His "troll FAQ" is all a facade. His real intentions are to name
>everyone he dislikes into that FAQ such that the person's searchengine
>is utterly bombed out. Here we have a clear cut case of a US govt
>employee attacking private US citizens.
>
> Now many will say I sent NASA the letter because NASA has deep
>pockets, much deeper than does some piddly ISP company. But that is not
>why I sent NASA the letter. The reason I sent it to them is because a
>alt newsgroup FAQ is preposterous in the first place. The creation of
>alt.sytax.tactical is a attack platform. And the mixing of FAQ, where
>newbies post the FAQ in their newsgroup, unaware of Ken Hollis, US Govt
>real intention of bombing out the search engines of private citizens.
>
> I see little difference in bombing out a private citizens Fac.
>machine where the law is a $500 fine per post. And that of bombing out
>a private citizens Search Engines. We now have laws governing
>"Emailbombing". We do not have laws governing "Searchengingbombing".
>
> A case against the US govt NASA may correct this gap.
Can someone PPUUUHHLLLEEEEZZEEEE give me the drugs that Archimedes
Plutonium takes? Because it's apparent that he's pretty damn high on
something. HEY ARCHIMDES PLUTONIUM, BY ANY CHANCE WERE YOU IN
CAMBRIDGE, MA DURING THE LATE 60's? AND DID YOU MEET SOMEONE NAMED
"TIMOTHY LEARY" WHO GAVE YOU YUMMY TASTY SUGAR CUBES THAT MADE YOU SEE
THINGS ALL FUNNY-LIKE?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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