Anchors
Louis Berman
Which is better for the Chesapeake, a CQR or a Bruce?
To be used on a 34 foot sailboat.
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In article <5c38dh$c...@faatcrl.faa.gov>,
Louis_Berm...@admin.tc.faa.govя says...
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>Which is better for the Chesapeake, a CQR or a Bruce?
>To be used on a 34 foot sailboat.
Our current survey is on anchors and anchoring and the results will be
posted - about mid February. I notice we have some people from the
Chesapeake who have submitted and have nearly 50 responses. Will try to
remember and let you know when the results go online.
Louise
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Paul F. Raywood
I have a 34 on the Chesapeake.
I own 2 Bruce anchors, a 22 lb. and a 33 lb.. I would use nothing else.
Enough said.
Paul s/v SHADOWFAX
Paul F. Raywood
I have a 34 on the Chesapeake.
I use 2 Bruce anchors, a 22 lb. and a 33 lb.. I would use nothing else.
svwi...@aol.com
In article <5c38dh$c...@faatcrl.faa.gov>,
Louis_Berm...@admin.tc.faa.gov (Louis Berman) writes:
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>Which is better for the Chesapeake, a CQR or a Bruce?
>To be used on a 34 foot sailboat.
We usually use a Bruce on our 36'. When in the Chesapeake we switch to a
Danforth type. In many places the bottem is a deep layer of nasty
smelling ooze that a Bruce or CQR type will just "troll" thru for a
considerable distance. We found that the danforth type would set quickly.
Smooth sailing---Good Holding.
Peter D. Engels
In article <5c38dh$c...@faatcrl.faa.gov>,
Louis_Berm...@admin.tc.faa.gov (Louis Berman) wrote:
>Which is better for the Chesapeake, a CQR or a Bruce?
>To be used on a 34 foot sailboat.
I used the CQR for 10 years on the Chesapeake, with excellent results. It
never dragged. This was a 25 lb. CQR, with 6 feet of chain, and one-half
inch nylon rode. I also always dig the anchor in with the engine.
--
Pete
James Forsyth
> Louis_Berm...@admin.tc.faa.gov (Louis Berman) writes:
>
> >
> >Which is better for the Chesapeake, a CQR or a Bruce?
> >To be used on a 34 foot sailboat.
We use a 44# Bruce on a chain lead to a nylon rode on our 42' 18000#
cutter on the Chesapeake. On only one occasion has it failed to set
properly in the four years we've used it. This was in a creek off the
Severin River where the bottom was covered with a thick layer of leaves.
Our 35# CQR cut through without trouble. The Bruce has NEVER dragged -
yet.
OTOH, in 1983 I was the navigator on a 58' Boothbay Challenger, a
sistership to Trashman, which we were delivering from New England to St.
Thomas, when our 66# Bruce happily dragged right across Annapolis harbor
in a squall. Of course the bottom there is essentially a thick soup,
lightly garnished with a little mud. <g>
James Forsyth S/V Vignette
Kim Klaka
Louis Berman wrote:
>
> Which is better for the Chesapeake, a CQR or a Bruce?
> To be used on a 34 foot sailboat.
I have never been to Chesapeake. I own a Van de Stadt 34 (4 tonnes) and
use a 16Kg (35lb) Delta and 50m (30fms) chain in sand. I sleep well at
anchor.
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Kim Klaka
Regional Manager
Australian Maritime Engineering Cooperative Research Centre (AMECRC)
Curtin University
GPO Box U1987
Perth
Western Australia 6845
phone: 61 9 351 7380
fax: 61 9 351 2377
email: K.K...@amecrc.curtin.edu.au
lmo...@mnsinc.com
pet...@mitre.org (Peter D. Engels) wrote:
>In article <5c38dh$c...@faatcrl.faa.gov>,
>Louis_Berm...@admin.tc.faa.gov (Louis Berman) wrote:
>>Which is better for the Chesapeake, a CQR or a Bruce?
>>To be used on a 34 foot sailboat.
>I used the CQR for 10 years on the Chesapeake, with excellent results. It
>never dragged. This was a 25 lb. CQR, with 6 feet of chain, and one-half
>inch nylon rode. I also always dig the anchor in with the engine.
>--
>Pete
I've been using a Danforth with no problems on our 31 footer. I also
"dig" in the anchor to make sure it's set real well. I've got 12 feet
of chain and have never had a problem anywhere on the Chesapeake.
Larry in Rosehaven, MD
John White
I suspect Pete and Larry's experience illustrates that the skill of the
person doing the anchoring is lot more important than the type of
anchor. It's amazing to me how few people back down on their anchors to
make sure they're set.
John White
Sean Holland
In a previous article, tkla...@cc.curtin.edu.au (Kim Klaka) says:
>Louis Berman wrote:
>>
>> Which is better for the Chesapeake, a CQR or a Bruce?
>> To be used on a 34 foot sailboat.
>I have never been to Chesapeake. I own a Van de Stadt 34 (4 tonnes) and
>use a 16Kg (35lb) Delta and 50m (30fms) chain in sand. I sleep well at
>anchor.
Second Kim's comments. Traded our 20 kg Bruce for a 20 kg Delta in '95,
and find that the Delta is even better than big Bruce had been.
Calm Anchorages,
Sean
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Sean Holland
NP2AU
S/V Spindrift
Steve Weingart
In article <32E96A...@smtpgate.xicor.com>, John White <jwh...@smtpgate.xicor.com> wrote:
>
>I suspect Pete and Larry's experience illustrates that the skill of the
>person doing the anchoring is lot more important than the type of
>anchor. It's amazing to me how few people back down on their anchors to
>make sure they're set.
>
>John White
In general, I agree with that comment. But, I have both a danforth and a CQR,
when I expect the wind to make major direction changes, I trust the CQR to
stay set or reset better than the danforth.
This comes from experiences over years where the danforth ends up barely dug
in after a large shift, and the CQR remains buried. I judged this by the
amount of effort it took to unset the anchor. If the wind doesn't shift they
both dig in well.
I use the danforth under milder conditions because it's lighter and easier to
handle on deck. I use the CQR when it gets nastier, and both if it gets worse
(before I dig out the 2nd danforth, for three total, when it gets *really* bad
hasn't happened yet, but it's there)
Steve
Paul F. Raywood
I also agree that backing down on setting an anchor is most important.
If you like the way your CQR resets with wind or tide change, you should
try a Bruce. They reset generally within their length. It is perhaps
their strongest point.
Paul
s/v SHADOWFAX
Rock Hall MD
Larry Cohan
Louis Berman wrote:
>
> Which is better for the Chesapeake, a CQR or a Bruce?
> To be used on a 34 foot sailboat.
Asking sailors which anchor to use is akin to asking which religion is
best:
a. You will get every possible answer,
b. The respondents will feel very passionately about their own choice,
even if they drag occasionally.
You'll get similar characteristics if you ask about nylon vs. chain, or
who has be best grandchildren, or boatbuilders, or Mac vs. PC, ...
s/Larry
"Runner", a Beneteau First 38 out of Annapolis, who loves Danforth's for
the ooze and mud in the Bay, nylon, Mac, my 6 grandkids, ... ;-)
NY40daybre
I use a bruce on my 40 footer with no problems. One big factor is to put
a good amound of chain on it. I have 35 feet of chain on mine.
Palmer Johnson NY40 Sailboat For Sale
http://members.aol.com/NY40daybre/index.html
t.r.mcloughlin
John White wrote:
[snip anchor drags]
>
> I suspect Pete and Larry's experience illustrates that the skill of the
> person doing the anchoring is lot more important than the type of
> anchor. It's amazing to me how few people back down on their anchors to
> make sure they're set.
As with most boating skills (see the GPS Gulf Stream crossing thread).
I'm always surprised when I charter with new friends that have
"experience" and it comes time to set the anchor. They seem to be
afraid to let the engine run in reverse for more than a few seconds.
It's is if they *afraid* that they pull the anchor out if they apply
too much engine.
ObAnchor: I've had good experience with both Danforth-style and plow-style
anchors in the Chesapeake's ooze. But I always backed down on them very well.
trm