Why Do They Hate Bill Gates ???
cl23...@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
>
> I think we should rename this alt.os.flame.wars. I just pray to God
> that we don't get any Amiga users in here. Then we'd be in some
> serious trouble!
Hey! I resemble that! ;)
Either way, even WE think 'ol Billy boy Gates should be assasinated, too.
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> Alex Suter
> asu...@leland.stanford.edu
> "We've upped our standards, so up yours!"
MikeB, Owner of a 486 running As*/too and an Amiga 3000
Sex, Amiga, and Rock'n Roll!!!
Jason Verch
A pretty obvious question.. does Bill read this group? Can he be reached by email?
Andy R Patrizio
> A pretty obvious question.. does Bill read this group? Can he be reached by email?
Since his little elves have been posting here, bet on him reading, too.
And probably laughing his head off at all of the stupid statements people
make that are a mile off target. I suspect he's got a thick enough skin
that this is entertainment for him.
Or perhaps he'll "buy" the Net and kill this group. :-)
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Andy Patrizio "I believe OS/2 is destined to be the most important
Stamford, CT, USA operating system, and possibly program, of all time."
a...@world.std.com something Bill Gates probably wishes he'd never said.
Brad Morrison
writes:
>ve...@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Jason Verch) writes:
>> A pretty obvious question.. does Bill read this group? Can he be reached
>> by email?
>Since his little elves have been posting here, bet on him reading, too.
No way. He (like any multibillionaire) is surrounded by filters who
decide what's best for him to see/hear. Bill Gates on the Net--what a
concept. That's almost as funny as having President Bill on the Net.
>And probably laughing his head off at all of the stupid statements people
>make that are a mile off target. I suspect he's got a thick enough skin
>that this is entertainment for him.
I think the truth is 180 degrees away. I think that's the reason for his
recent authorized autobiography, after Cringley's treatment of him in
_Accidental_Empires_.
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Bernard Gardner
|>
|> A pretty obvious question.. does Bill read this group? Can he be reached by email?
The next most obvious question, where can I ftp pictures of bill? Is there an
archive site?
Bernard.
Mike Bandy
>In article <C5sH5...@world.std.com> a...@world.std.com (Andy R Patrizio)
>writes:
>>ve...@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Jason Verch) writes:
>>> A pretty obvious question.. does Bill read this group? Can he be reached
>>> by email?
>>Since his little elves have been posting here, bet on him reading, too.
>No way. He (like any multibillionaire) is surrounded by filters who
>decide what's best for him to see/hear. Bill Gates on the Net--what a
>concept.
Yeah, I agree, that's about as likely as, say, Bill Gates using an ice cream
coupon at a 7-11!
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Johns Hopkins University / Applied Physics Laboratory
Andy R Patrizio
>No way. He (like any multibillionaire) is surrounded by filters who
>decide what's best for him to see/hear. Bill Gates on the Net--what a
>concept. That's almost as funny as having President Bill on the Net.
funny, I don't see Gates that way. At most industry events, he's often in
the thick of things. I can't see him being shielded by a bunch of handlers.
>I think the truth is 180 degrees away. I think that's the reason for his
>recent authorized autobiography, after Cringley's treatment of him in
>_Accidental_Empires_.
I've suspected Cringley was Stewart Alsop, but my boss disagrees. I
haven't read the book, so I can't comment. But if he was really sensitive
to what people said, don't you think he would have changed a few things
(behavior, appearance, etc) when the press ragged on him?
Aw, come on Bill. Raise your hand. Say hi to your fans. :-)
Evan Torrie
>funny, I don't see Gates that way. At most industry events, he's often in
>the thick of things. I can't see him being shielded by a bunch of handlers.
Check out Spencer Katt's column in this week's PCWeek.
>I've suspected Cringley was Stewart Alsop, but my boss disagrees.
I've had lunch with Cringely. Cringely is NOT Stewart Alsop.
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Bob Rusbasan
>I've suspected Cringley was Stewart Alsop, but my boss disagrees.
Either Byte of Dr. Dobb's Journal, probably DDJ, said who Robert X.
Cringely was when they reviewed the book. The said something like,
"It's no big secret within the industry the Robert X. Cringely is
Infoworld's XXX," and they went on to complain about someone writing
a book like that and hiding being a pseudonym.
Cringley will often relate andecdotes about how he shows his driver's
license to people, and they refuse to believe that there really is
a Robert X. Cringley. If your boss believes RXC is a real person,
he's probably fallen for one of those stories.
I'll try to find the reference in DDJ. I know it's probably not
the best thing to post that RXC's identitiy is no secret and then
not tell you who it is. Maybe someone else knows?
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Sharon Fisher
I was there. If you'll look at ooooold InfoWorlds, you can see the
name on the byline even then, before the column; it was kind of an
inside joke. The story was that whenever somebody bitched about a
story, Cringely would be blamed for it. So, after Dvorak left and
when pseudonymous gossip columns became stylish (i.e., after PC Week
started to do it), it was natural to say Cringely did it.
bi...@microsoft.com
SORRY folks. I've been off having severe bouts of cyber-sex...
First, let me say that Andy R Patrizio - my respect for him has
increased markedly, since he's bringing himself and his brain,
instead of merely behaving like a child with an attention-deficit
disorder. So keep it up - after a while, the fact that you bash
DOS (the thing people get irritated most with you for, that I can
tell) will just be known about you as part of your character,
maybe even tossed off with a giggle. Everyone's entitled to
their quirks and hobbyhorses.
Now, if I have said I would dedicate my life, and lose it, should it
come to that - to DESTROY UNIX - I DO NOT wish it to come to
this - but I cannot - I WILL NOT stand by and watch HUMANS BE
DESTROYED BY AN OPERATING SYSTEM which is NOT in conformity with my
NATURE as GOD HAS GIVEN IT TO ME.
Nostradamus predicted that SVR5 would be the last Unix. I hope to
live to see that day.
-billg
Andy R Patrizio
>-billg
I'm not too sure what to think of this, folx...
If this is the real Bill Gates, send me private mail saying my connection
to the computer industry. He would know...
Andy R Patrizio
message is real.
bi...@microsoft.com writes:
>disorder. So keep it up - after a while, the fact that you bash
>DOS (the thing people get irritated most with you for, that I can
>tell) will just be known about you as part of your character,
>maybe even tossed off with a giggle. Everyone's entitled to
>their quirks and hobbyhorses.
Have I bashed DOS? Aside from my .sig, I don't recall doing so. I'm not
keen on DOS, or OS/2, for that matter. I wish I could have kept my Amiga
3000. No computer on earth can multitask that easily in one meg of RAM and
no swap file. NT needs 16 meg of RAM and a 28 meg swap file.
Unfortunately, Commodore couldn't market heating blankets to eskimoes,
much less a proprietary computer system. Apple managed with the Mac, an
inferior computer if ever there was one, so it could be done. Apple has
John Sculley, Commodore has Irving "Impotent" Gould.
>Now, if I have said I would dedicate my life, and lose it, should it
>come to that - to DESTROY UNIX - I DO NOT wish it to come to
>this - but I cannot - I WILL NOT stand by and watch HUMANS BE
>DESTROYED BY AN OPERATING SYSTEM which is NOT in conformity with my
>NATURE as GOD HAS GIVEN IT TO ME.
>Nostradamus predicted that SVR5 would be the last Unix. I hope to
>live to see that day.
>-billg
Gee, that'll do wonders for your megalomania reputation. :-)
1) No one will destroy Unix, except Unix itself. Prior to COSE, I figured
its serious fragmentation would do it in.
2) NT will not steal Unix users, especially the devotees. They like open
systems, and NT is not open by any means. NT strikes me as Windows,
NetWare, and OS/2 rolled into one.
3) If Novell is gonna pay $350 million for Unix, they aren't gonna let it
die any time soon. :-) Then again, everyone expected them to do wonders
with DR DOS and we all see how well THAT went.
Instead of getting the guy who wrote VMS (*ack!*) Microsoft should have
acquired NeXT. I'm willing to bet that Jobs has more bills than me. :-) He
can be bought.
M.J. Williams
>
> [Fake posting deleted]
Isn't it funny how all Bill's postings go via Berlin?
Mike.
uunet!uchinews!msuinfo!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!ira.uka.de!
math.fu-berlin.de!portal!uunet!microsoft!hexnut!billg
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> Path: ucsu!boulder!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!ira.uka.de!math.fu-berlin.de!portal!uunet!microsoft!hexnut!billg
Or is it our friends from across the Ocean again? ;-) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>a...@world.std.com (Andy R Patrizio) writes:
>; Aw, come on Bill. Raise your hand. Say hi to your fans. :-)
I add my "vote" (what was that about Usenet being an anarchy! :-) for the
"real billg" to push something out ... if for nothing else to see the
reaction of others. This is the longest I've stayed subscribed to an "alt"
group, but I don't know how much longer I can "hold" out.
BTW, we need a followup on a recent post - could you pls post the entire text
of the "official Microsoft Usenet Guide" ;-)
alek
P.S. There actually has been some good technical points brought up about NT, but
I'm sure the Redmond guys have heard it before (ex: built-in NFS, X, and
"inbound" Telnet (i.e. multiuser) capability would really add to NT IMHO).
PPS. Now if you M/S guys/gals *really* had a sense of humour, we would see
a follow-up to billg's post *from* .de ... Being a Sysadmin in
"real-life" I (of course) can not condone such a thing!
Curry
This is of course 'required reading' for any ""fan"" of the 6 billion dollar man.
I found it to be extrememly entertaining (and accurate)...
Sean
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cu...@ausvmv.vnet.ibm.com
Ron Asbestos Dippold
Germany... meaning it's coming from somewhere in Europe. Other than
that, a very decent forgery.
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failed. -- Motto of Jerks, Weenies and Losers everywhere
Tad Cook
>>I'll try to find the reference in DDJ. I know it's probably not
>>the best thing to post that RXC's identitiy is no secret and then
>>not tell you who it is. Maybe someone else knows?
>>
>He is one of the regular columnists (not Alsop) but I cannot recall
>which one.
>
>One time in an exchange of email with Cringely I asked him if
>Pammy (his literary foil . . . his alleged 20 year old fabulous
>blonde girlfriend) was real. He replied that Pammy is real,
>but he is not certain that HE is real.
>
>
I found the old email from Cringely. Here it is:
From Robert Cringely Jun 24 '91 at 10:08 pm
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 91 22:08 GMT
To: "Tad.Cook" <ssc!Tad....@uunet.uu.net>
Subject: RE: failed mail (fwd)
This week she's sunbathing, so the guys shouldn't be
disappointed. And yes, Pammy's for real. It's me who is
unreal. (It is I?)
Bob
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Tad Cook
>
>>I've suspected Cringley was Stewart Alsop, but my boss disagrees.
>
>Either Byte of Dr. Dobb's Journal, probably DDJ, said who Robert X.
>Cringely was when they reviewed the book. The said something like,
>"It's no big secret within the industry the Robert X. Cringely is
>Infoworld's XXX," and they went on to complain about someone writing
>a book like that and hiding being a pseudonym.
>
>Cringley will often relate andecdotes about how he shows his driver's
>license to people, and they refuse to believe that there really is
>a Robert X. Cringley. If your boss believes RXC is a real person,
>he's probably fallen for one of those stories.
>
>I'll try to find the reference in DDJ. I know it's probably not
>the best thing to post that RXC's identitiy is no secret and then
>not tell you who it is. Maybe someone else knows?
>
which one.
One time in an exchange of email with Cringely I asked him if
Pammy (his literary foil . . . his alleged 20 year old fabulous
blonde girlfriend) was real. He replied that Pammy is real,
but he is not certain that HE is real.
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George V. Reilly
[fake article deleted]
) I'm not too sure what to think of this, folx...
) If this is the real Bill Gates, send me private mail saying my connection
) to the computer industry. He would know...
Not only is this purported article from Bill Gates a fake,
it didn't even reach the machine it's supposedly posted
from (hexnut). I've only seen followups to it here, not the
original.
_________________
/George V. Reilly <Geor...@Microsoft.Com>
Jared Evans
Bill Gates is probably going to kill me for saying this on this
particular netgroup.....
My friend sent a Email to Bi...@microsoft.com and got a response back.
Something about NT being available this summer (I think).
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>
> A pretty obvious question.. does Bill read this group?
>Can he be reached by email?
To the first question: Why would he? He's a busy guy and probably only has
time to worry about platforms that either help or threaten him.
To the second question: Of course he can... but I'd suspect that trash mail
to him that comes from outside Microsoft gets pretty heavily filtered.
Ron Asbestos Dippold
>Not only is this purported article from Bill Gates a fake,
>it didn't even reach the machine it's supposedly posted
>from (hexnut). I've only seen followups to it here, not the
>original.
That's the way pathing works. He put hexnut in the path so the path
would look somewhat realistic. Because of this, "the net" think
hexnut has already seen it, so it doesn't get passed through hexnut
again. The same thing is useful to make sure certain people don't
see articles that you post.
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Adam Frampton
With 7 billion I would :)
adam
adam frampton
fram...@access.digex.com
PS: Just try bill....@microsoft.com or ga...@microsoft.com
Who knows?
Jared Quinn
>Yeah, I agree, that's about as likely as, say, Bill Gates using an ice cream
>coupon at a 7-11!
Bill at a 7-11 is an interesting concept in itself...
-Jared
Mon Apr 26 02:06:29 est 1993
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Michael Cianflone
Actually, 3.0 _does_ add some speed to machines that were running 1.3
or 2.0. A few things in the layers library were re-done and it's definitely
noticable. Moving windows around is quicker, and scrolling on screens
greater than 4 colors is really quicker. It's quite noticeable.
Peter Dilley
I really feel If wild billy bought out CBM but left the design
department and service department in tact and used his advertising, He
could cram apple and their Mac's into the ground. Note I'm not a fan of
apple. After shelling out thousands for a IIC setup the but-heads
discontinued the machine.
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a...@qedbbs.com (Peter Dilley) or qed!aga
The QED BBS -- (310)420-9327
Sean Case
> My friend sent a Email to Bi...@microsoft.com and got a response back.
That's a real address, but it isn't Bill Gates. So leave it alone.
Sean Case
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Sean Case g...@coombs.anu.edu.au
"Zut! A woman farmair liveeng weez a mernkee who eats brie!
Ah will make Chief Statistician weez zees!" -- Colquhoun
Adam Frampton
>That's a real address, but it isn't Bill Gates. So leave it alone.
Well, I sent mail there too. I got a response, and right now I'm trying to
verify it's authentifcy. I seems as if it could be real-- He said:
No i did not. I've never heard of the newsgroup.
-billg
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The software used to create the message was Microsoft Mail... so...
My endless search of the TRUE author continues...
Dail Magee Jr.
>
> I think the truth is 180 degrees away. I think that's the reason for his
> recent authorized autobiography, after Cringley's treatment of him in
> _Accidental_Empires_.
"Authorized?" No such bird. _Gates_ by Maines and Andrews comes
the closest--they did manage to get 20 hours worth of interviews
with Gates himself, which is no mean feat--but it's far from having
been authorized.
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Microsoft Press ...{uunet|uw-beaver}!microsoft!dailma
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Redmond, WA 98052 don't like 'em, I disclaim 'em.
Kamal Shaker.
: In article <C5u2I...@sugar.neosoft.com> br...@NeoSoft.com (Brad Morrison) writes:
: >
: > I think the truth is 180 degrees away. I think that's the reason for his
: > recent authorized autobiography, after Cringley's treatment of him in
How can an autobiography be _un_ authorized??
: > _Accidental_Empires_.
:
: "Authorized?" No such bird. _Gates_ by Maines and Andrews comes
: the closest--they did manage to get 20 hours worth of interviews
: with Gates himself, which is no mean feat--but it's far from having
: been authorized.
:
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Brad Morrison
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In article <1993Apr27....@microsoft.com>
dai...@microsoft.com (Dail Magee Jr.) writes:
>In article <C5u2I...@sugar.neosoft.com> br...@NeoSoft.com
> (Brad Morrison) writes:
>> I think the truth is 180 degrees away. I think that's the reason for his
>> recent authorized autobiography, after Cringley's treatment of him in
>> _Accidental_Empires_.
>"Authorized?" No such bird. _Gates_ by Maines and Andrews comes
>the closest--they did manage to get 20 hours worth of interviews
>with Gates himself, which is no mean feat--but it's far from having
>been authorized.
That's how it was advertised in the Houston Chronicle a month ago. "The
only authorized biography of Silicon Valley's richest alumnus!"
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eivind hagen
> Well, I sent mail there too. I got a response, and right now I'm trying to
> verify it's authentifcy. I seems as if it could be real-- He said:
> No i did not. I've never heard of the newsgroup.
> -billg
I got the same a week ago...
But I doubt BiLL actually wrote that...
Probably his slaves...
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>Adam Frampton (fram...@access.digex.com) wrote:
>> Well, I sent mail there too. I got a response, and right now I'm trying to
>> verify it's authentifcy. I seems as if it could be real-- He said:
>
>> No i did not. I've never heard of the newsgroup.
>
>> -billg
>
>I got the same a week ago...
>But I doubt BiLL actually wrote that...
>Probably his slaves...
His 'slaves' who have $100000US in their savings plan? My my.
>\ Eivind Hagen (Zynx/ArcEmpire) \/ Real Programmers do it recursively! /
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Tad Cook
Silicon Valley??!? Sounds like they may have at least two facts
wrong!
Andrew Bulhak
: Adam Frampton (fram...@access.digex.com) wrote:
: > Well, I sent mail there too. I got a response, and right now I'm trying to
: > verify it's authentifcy. I seems as if it could be real-- He said:
:
: > No i did not. I've never heard of the newsgroup.
:
: > -billg
:
: I got the same a week ago...
: But I doubt BiLL actually wrote that...
: Probably his slaves...
The story I heard was that "bi...@microsoft.com" is a staffer (a programmer or
something), and the "Thanks to billg" in the Windows 3.1 gang screen is a
decoy. Maybe this billg is simply having a joke with all the people who think
that he is Emperor BiLL.
Anybody want to guess what BiLL's real user-id is?
-- Andrew "g...@microsoft.com perhaps?" Bulhak
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The Technicolour Throw-up
> If you look at the path of the "Bill Gates" message, it goes through
> Germany... meaning it's coming from somewhere in Europe. Other than
> that, a very decent forgery.
In point of fact it goes through math.fu-berlin.de which, if I'm not
mistaken, is a site well known for its open NNTP port, meaning that you can
forge articles to your heart's content. Note that uunet occurs twice in the
path:
[...]!uunet!uchinews!msuinfo!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!ira.uka.de!
math.fu-berlin.de!portal!uunet!microsoft!hexnut!billg
It may well have been written by someone from the USA who doesn't know any
other sites with open NNTP ports.
People with a conspiratorial and suspicious mind should of course note that
the fact that said article was forged does not necessarily mean that it
didn't come from Bill. After all - what better way to hide on the net than
by forging articles from yourself :-)
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