From Christafari: Let's deal with the case.
Ronald E Lam
In a previous article, tan...@aol.com () says:
>This is Mark Mohr from Christafari. Yes I am actually FROM Christafari.
>As you may already know our friend Wayne is not From Christafari.
>Although he is a zealous fan, he by no means represents all of the
>positions of Christafari. I DO. I founded Christafari 7 years ago, and
>am the lead vocalist. If anyone knows where we stand on what, Ido. From
>now on, if you have any questions regaring Wayne, ask him. But if you
>have any Questions reagarding Christafari please come to the source.
>__________________________________________________
greetings, mark...i welcome your long overdue participation on this
topic...first of all, some are interested in this thread, and other rmr-ers
could care less. i am one who is interested because you are a usa based
band, a usabb. with this background therefore, there comes certain
opening questions as to how well can a usabb play vis a vis the jamaican
bands?
so i am interested in
your music from that point of view...i do not have any of your music but
i must say that a few on rmr do like your music.
i also am interested in what themes/messages you sing about? i asked this
question once and i have not seen an answer from anyone yet...i am
interested in this also. i hope you will have time to post on this.
i will definitely have more comments and questions. thanks for your
presence on rmr. roots-ee
*****************************************
[snipped]
>I want to start from this day on.
[snipped]
I invite
>questions, and realize that they are the only way that people can truly
>know our hearts. Please, I am asking you that if you want to know more
>about Christafari just ask, and let us reason on a posistive level.
[snipped]
may the reasoning begin in the goal to advance jah rastafari music...
roots-ee
--
jah music is inity and oneness...one earth, one people, one world....
raw 214...roots-ee...///// http://www.xmission.com/~turq/Ark_Band (raw 230)
tan...@aol.com
> To Douglass Davis and all other parties involved,
As you may already know our friend Wayne is not From Christafari.
Although he is a zealous fan, he by no means represents all of the
positions of Christafari. I DO. I founded Christafari 7 years ago, and
am the lead vocalist. If anyone knows where we stand on what, Ido. From
now on, if you have any questions regaring Wayne, ask him. But if you
Know that in the past there have been many extremely negative things said
in the news group. My desire is not to go through everything that was
said on both sides and exegete them. I want to start from this day on.
Forget about the past. I know that Wayne as well as others have said many
negative things and not turned the other cheek. Wayne was wrong.
I am not offended when a rasta wants to reason. Infact I desire it. I
was just on the biggest T.V. Show in Jamaica called PROFILE with Ian
Boyne. It is an interview show where he is famous for tearing his guests
apart. I was prepared through the power of the most High. I invite
questions, and realize that they are the only way that people can truly
know our hearts. Please, I am asking you that if you want to know more
about Christafari just ask, and let us reason on a posistive level.
"If you get down and quarrel everyday, your saying prayers to the devil I
say. Why not help one another on the way make it much easier. Say you
just can't live that negative way- you know what I mean, make way for the
positive day."
My Brother this is no rebuke to yourself or others. I am simply saying
that it is enough with the negative vibes from all parties and time for a
new day, a new feeling, a new sighn
Picking up
Inity
Mark "Tansoback" Mohr
Col 3:16-17
FmDj
Mark: thank you for joining this discussion. a lot of pot-shots have
been taken at your band, that, wayne has tied to defend. i think it will
be interesting to see if those same people will choose to *reason* with
you. i would like to note that wayne appollogized to rmr for some of his
comments. that took a lot of courage. if he is the same [wayne] who sent
me your cd's, please thank him for me.
I am, etc.
Scottie Lake
WCTH-FM
p.s. for those who may not know.
Colossians 3:16-17 says: (NIV text) Let the word of Christ dwell in you
richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you
sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to
God. And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name
of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.
rocks...@wport.com
> In a previous article, tan...@aol.com () says:
> This is Mark Mohr from Christafari. Yes I am actually FROM Christafari.
> As you may already know our friend Wayne is not From Christafari.
Mark, If I were you I'd muzzle that guy, with friends like Wayne, you
don't need any enemies.
Al
Gregory Stephens
Good to hear from you, Mark.
Along with all the negative bad-mouthing, there was also
a prior Christafari thread in which there was some pretty conscious
reasoning about the shared Biblical/Judaid roots of Christians
and Rastas. From the numerous personal responses I received,
I'd say there is a substantial hunger to continue that dialogue.
But I think we ought to do it under topics other that "Christafari."
It seems to me that the continued use of the Bible by many
conscious dance hall artists gives both Christian reggae artists
such as yourself, and Rasta reggae artists (whether or not they
worship Selassie) substantial common ground to work with.
"Why not help each other on the way. Make it much easier."
Picking up.
M.C. Gregory
tan...@aol.com
Greetings Ronald E. Lam
Wha Gwaan? I appreciate your questions, and will answer them for you.
"with this background therefore, there comes certain
opening questions as to how well can a usabb play vis a vis the jamaican
bands?
so i am interested in
your music from that point of view..."
I think that the location does not affect the skill of the player, only
the influences of the player. It is not easy in america to find players
that are completely submersed into the music and the culture of Jamaica.
I truly do believe that we have found the right players though. I do not
think that location should play any part in deciding whether or not one
likes a band, for one of our favorite bands (Steele pulse) is not from
Jamaica, and currently resides in the U.S. Location has nothing to do
with it, wasn't Bob's guitarist American.
We cannot blame a man for where he was born, only for what he becomes
after this.
"i do not have any of your music but
i must say that a few on rmr do like your music.
i also am interested in what themes/messages you sing about? i asked this
question once and i have not seen an answer from anyone yet...i am
interested in this also. i hope you will have time to post on this."
We sing about our Daily lives and our relationships with God. We do not
give pat answers, but rather speak of our struggles, sins, sorrows, and
daily victories. Our latest album is called "Valley of Decision" it has
been on the Top 15 Reggae Billboard Charts for six months. Check out our
web site www.christafari.com
here is what our songs are about on our latest album:
1. The dreadful valley of Decision of Joel 2 and 3
2. I can't stop praising the Lord
3. We don't deal with religion, Jesus is our best friend
4. Jesus Healing a blind man,(Taking from the blind mans perspective)
5. Being judged by the church and it's Modern day pharisees
6. Constantly falling into the same sins again and again
7. The Conquering LIon of the Tribe of Judah, and the fall of Babylon.
8. In these times of trials and tribulations we must keep on looking up.
9. Live this Love
10. A personal struggle with not spending enough time with God.
11. The Fact that Jesus Died for us.
"i will definitely have more comments and questions. "
Please do.
"thanks for your
presence on rmr. roots-ee"
Your welcome
Mark
Col 3:16-17
StormN
Aha! A post from Christafari that brooks no argument, at least
not in part.
Aside from immersion into the music, most USA based bands
lack another asset that Christafari appareently has: marketing
and distribution prowess. Christafari has found a rewarding
niche, combining their fondness for reggae with their profession
of Christian beliefs, and placing their product in Christian
bookstores. Other usabb's should take note and follow suit:
indeed, Christafari clones should be forming in some twisted
genius's laboratory even as we post.
Perhaps usabb's consisting of top shelf musicians who share
a commitment to reggae and a respect for Jamaican
culture can find other niches if the Christian market is
cornered. Here are a few suggestions:
1. The Jewish market. Really! As the Christafari
thread brought out, roots reggae has lots of Old Testament
themes, with songs about Zion (e.g., the Abyssinians
"Satta Massagana"), and groups with names like
"Israel Vibration". Why not employ dubs to convey
Talmudic revelations? Think of the fervor that
cantors could bring to the task of chanting
down Babylon. Distribution could be through
syanagogue/temple bookstores.
2. The Catholic market. This is not to imply
that Catholics are not Christian, but instead
to recognize them as a unique religious market
for reggae. A reggae Mass is very conveivable--
after all, the Missa Luba (form Zaire) and other African
music make for stirring Catholic experiences. CD's
could be distributed at local parishes.
3. The political market. One can be as Repub-
lican as Bob Dole and still dig reggae, right?
What would it have meant to the country
if during the campaign there had been an
active group of reggemuffins called
Dubheads for Dole? Reggae has always had
its political lyrics ("Crazy Bald Heads", "Who da
Cap Fit", "Them Belly Full", "Legalize It", etc.).
Why not apply reggae riddims to the American
political scene? Forget the macarena, let's teach
our politicians how to skank. CD's can be
produced with soft money, and handed out
at fundraisers.
4. The African-American market. Iand I don't
have a clue as to why more black Americans
aren't into reggae, but the upside potential
is vast and the rewards potentially staggering
for the rootsmen/women who can break
into this ultimate music market. Ask Shabba
and Shaggy. What might be accomplished
by groups with real talent?
5. The Unitarian and Baptist markets (Under
Construction).
Ites,
StormN
In article 19961113041...@ladder01.news.aol.com,
tan...@aol.com said:
[interesting stuff snipped]
>I think that the location does not affect the skill of the player,
>only the influences of the player. It is not easy in america to find
>players that are completely submersed into the music and the culture of
>Jamaica.
[more interesting stuff snipped]
GodISaLiVE
Whoa , Look to me like you throw this dude wayne under the bus. or better
yet under the wheel. Ouch.
GodISaLiVE.
tan...@aol.com wrote in article
<19961112200...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> > To Douglass Davis and all other parties involved,
> This is Mark Mohr from Christafari. Yes I am actually FROM Christafari.
> As you may already know our friend Wayne is not From Christafari.
> Although he is a zealous fan, he by no means represents all of the
> positions of Christafari. I DO. I founded Christafari 7 years ago, and
> am the lead vocalist. If anyone knows where we stand on what, Ido. From
> now on, if you have any questions regaring Wayne, ask him. But if you
> have any Questions reagarding Christafari please come to the source. I
> Know that in the past there have been many extremely negative things said
> in the news group. My desire is not to go through everything that was
> said on both sides and exegete them. I want to start from this day on.
> Forget about the past. I know that Wayne as well as others have said
many
> negative things and not turned the other cheek. Wayne was wrong.
> snip
rocks...@wport.com
In article <56bq9b$g...@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com>, StormN says...
>
>
>Aha! A post from Christafari that brooks no argument, at least
>not in part.
>
>Aside from immersion into the music, most USA based bands
>lack another asset that Christafari appareently has: marketing
>and distribution prowess. Christafari has found a rewarding
>niche, combining their fondness for reggae with their profession
>of Christian beliefs, and placing their product in Christian
>bookstores. Other usabb's should take note and follow suit:
>indeed, Christafari clones should be forming in some twisted
>genius's laboratory even as we post.
>
>Perhaps usabb's consisting of top shelf musicians who share
>a commitment to reggae and a respect for Jamaican
>culture can find other niches if the Christian market is
>cornered. Here are a few suggestions:
>
> 1. The Jewish market. Really! As the Christafari
>thread brought out, roots reggae has lots of Old Testament
>themes, with songs about Zion (e.g., the Abyssinians
>"Satta Massagana"), and groups with names like
>"Israel Vibration". Why not employ dubs to convey
>Talmudic revelations? Think of the fervor that
>cantors could bring to the task of chanting
>down Babylon. Distribution could be through
>syanagogue/temple bookstores.
Dread up those orthodox sideburns, fellas. And you could really get a
"look" going with those crazy black hats. And, there is a whole
cross-over thing in Brooklyn/Crown Heights just waiting to be exploited.
> 2. The Catholic market. This is not to imply
>that Catholics are not Christian, but instead
>to recognize them as a unique religious market
>for reggae. A reggae Mass is very conveivable--
>after all, the Missa Luba (form Zaire) and other African
>music make for stirring Catholic experiences. CD's
>could be distributed at local parishes.
Skanking to the stations of the cross...
> 3. The political market. One can be as Repub-
>lican as Bob Dole and still dig reggae, right?
>What would it have meant to the country
>if during the campaign there had been an
>active group of reggemuffins called
>Dubheads for Dole? Reggae has always had
>its political lyrics ("Crazy Bald Heads", "Who da
>Cap Fit", "Them Belly Full", "Legalize It", etc.).
>Why not apply reggae riddims to the American
>political scene? Forget the macarena, let's teach
>our politicians how to skank. CD's can be
>produced with soft money, and handed out
>at fundraisers.
Hey, it's a concept, I love it... let's do lunch, I'll
have my people ring you up & we'll work out a strategy.
>4. The African-American market. Iand I don't
>have a clue as to why more black Americans
>aren't into reggae, but the upside potential
>is vast and the rewards potentially staggering
>for the rootsmen/women who can break
>into this ultimate music market. Ask Shabba
>and Shaggy. What might be accomplished
>by groups with real talent?
Hard to figure this one fe true...
>5. The Unitarian and Baptist markets (Under
>Construction).
Not a lot to work with there - maybe DJs chatting in tongues?
Some of it already sounds like that anyway...
Props to StormN for the comic relief.
Al
tan...@aol.com
Absolutely M.C. Gregory,
The key to these reasonings is sharing in the same foundation; the Holy
Bible. If this is not a shared foundation than it is hard to reason. The
first step is finding out if one holds the belief that the Bible is the
innherant word of God. The second step is that of humbling oneself and
realizing that you may be wrong also. We are always learning and
re-educating ourselves. We must all be a Humble Lion
Mark "Tansoback" Mohr
1 Peter 3:15
tan...@aol.com
From: "GodISaLiVE" <WA...@hamptons.com>
Date: 13 Nov 1996 10:56:50 GMT
Message-ID: <01bbd155$2c74d460$98708dcc@default>
You wrote:
"Whoa , Look to me like you throw this dude wayne under the bus. or better
yet under the wheel. Ouch.
GodISaLiVE."
No I did not throw Waye under a bus. I am sorry if what I said seemed
harsh. It was not meant to sound like a diss. I was simply stating what
Wayne had said a long time ago. He wrote all concerning parties and said
that he was wrong. Despite his apology many still attacked him. Our
desire is not to quarrel, but to reason in peace. Wayne is a very good
friend of mine, and I am forever indebted to him for his selfless service
in encouraging Christafari's ministry. It is time that all of us forget
about the past and throw of from ourselves what has been entangleing our
feet and keeoing us from running the race.
Hebrews 12:1-2 Read it
Maximum respect
Mark "Tansoback" Mohr
Christafari
GodISaLiVE
I take it you are not a christian. I see you mentioned Catholic, thats not
born again , sir. With your permission I would like to buy christafaris new
cd , is it ok if i do i in a christian store , or sam goodys , or should
it be in Jamaica? Well its a usabb, so i guess its crap , right? Are you
white? i bet your not a christian. i am and love reggae. oh well i goin buy
anyway.
sid
StormN <nbon...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<56bq9b$g...@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com>...
>
> Aha! A post from Christafari that brooks no argument, at least
> not in part.
>
> Aside from immersion into the music, most USA based bands
> lack another asset that Christafari appareently has: marketing
> and distribution prowess. Christafari has found a rewarding
> niche, combining their fondness for reggae with their profession
> of Christian beliefs, and placing their product in Christian
> bookstores. Other usabb's should take note and follow suit:
> indeed, Christafari clones should be forming in some twisted
> genius's laboratory even as we post.
>
> Perhaps usabb's consisting of top shelf musicians who share
> a commitment to reggae and a respect for Jamaican
> culture can find other niches if the Christian market is
> cornered. Here are a few suggestions:
>
> 1. The Jewish market. Really! As the Christafari
> thread brought out, roots reggae has lots of Old Testament
> themes, with songs about Zion (e.g., the Abyssinians
> "Satta Massagana"), and groups with names like
> "Israel Vibration". Why not employ dubs to convey
> Talmudic revelations? Think of the fervor that
> cantors could bring to the task of chanting
> down Babylon. Distribution could be through
> syanagogue/temple bookstores.
>
> 2. The Catholic market. This is not to imply
> that Catholics are not Christian, but instead
> to recognize them as a unique religious market
> for reggae. A reggae Mass is very conveivable--
> after all, the Missa Luba (form Zaire) and other African
> music make for stirring Catholic experiences. CD's
> could be distributed at local parishes.
>
> 3. The political market. One can be as Repub-
> lican as Bob Dole and still dig reggae, right?
> What would it have meant to the country
> if during the campaign there had been an
> active group of reggemuffins called
> Dubheads for Dole? Reggae has always had
> its political lyrics ("Crazy Bald Heads", "Who da
> Cap Fit", "Them Belly Full", "Legalize It", etc.).
> Why not apply reggae riddims to the American
> political scene? Forget the macarena, let's teach
> our politicians how to skank. CD's can be
> produced with soft money, and handed out
> at fundraisers.
>
> 4. The African-American market. Iand I don't
> have a clue as to why more black Americans
> aren't into reggae, but the upside potential
> is vast and the rewards potentially staggering
> for the rootsmen/women who can break
> into this ultimate music market. Ask Shabba
> and Shaggy. What might be accomplished
> by groups with real talent?
>
> 5. The Unitarian and Baptist markets (Under
> Construction).
>
GOdis...@hamptons.com
In article ,
> > As you may already know our friend Wayne is not From Christafari.
the dude that took the hammer to the head for your band?
> Mark, If I were you I'd muzzle that guy, with friends like Wayne, you
> don't need any enemies.
> Al
>
Really Mr. A.K. you never dissed this dude or anyone else in here. right?
That dude was not perfect , he took alot of hits. A.K. at some point its a matter
of elementray fairness.
sid
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This exchange is a bit lengthy, but hey, it's all good!
In article 01bbd1d4$1718e500$a1708dcc@default,
"GodISaLiVE" <GOdis...@hamptons.com> said:
>
>I take it you are not a christian.
You may "take it" any way you please. My religious preferences
are irrelevent to this newsgroup, but I am not a "christian" with a small "c".
> I see you mentioned Catholic, thats not born again , sir.
Your opinion of Catholics is of no interest to me,
nor does it have anything to do with reggae music..
I mentioned Catholics as a distinct religious market
for reggae. I think a reggae Mass would be kinda
cool, maybe even uplifting.
>With your permission I would like to buy christafaris new cd ,
> is it ok if i do i in a christian store , or sam goodys , or
>should it be in Jamaica?
Since you requested it, you have my permission to buy
Christafari's new CD. If you're asking my opinion as to
where you should buy it, I'd suggest Jamaica because
that way the Jamaicans would get something out of
the transaction.
>Well its a usabb, so i guess its crap , right?
Those are your words, not mine. I didn't comment on the quality of
Christafari's new CD because I haven't heard it, nor any of their music
for that matter. From the comments posted about them on rmr, pro and
con by people who are into reggae, and from success they enjoy in
the marketplace, I have to assume that they're reasonably good at
what they do. As far as usabb's are concerned, I have previously
stated the same thing that Mark of Christafari does, that players in the
USA who are immersed into reggae and the culture of Ja. are hard
to find, which is why I included his quote in my post. I n I have also raved
in articles posted to this newsgroup about one excellent usabb, the Ark
Band based in Columbus, Ohio, and paid respect to two others,
Root 1 and Killer Bees, both based in Austin, Texas.
>Are you white?
No, but who cares? Do you?
>i bet your not a christian. i am and love reggae.
It's great that you love reggae. I do too.
>oh well i goin buy anyway.
>
> sid
Yeamon, sid! Buy and enjoy!
Irie ites,
StormN
>
>StormN <nbon...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
><56bq9b$g...@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com>...
>>
>> Aha! A post from Christafari that brooks no argument, at least
>> not in part.
>>
>> Aside from immersion into the music, most USA based bands
>> lack another asset that Christafari apparently has: marketing
>> >player,only the influences of the player. It is not easy in america to
Ronald E Lam
In a previous article, rl...@bgnet.bgsu.edu (Ronald E Lam) says:
>In a previous article, nbon...@ix.netcom.com (StormN) says:
>[nuff snipped]
>*********
(comment excerpted from "godis...@hamptons.com" post):-
>>>Well its a usabb, so i guess its crap , right?
>
>>Those are your words, not mine.
>********************
>from roots-ee...
>please allow me to add a comment here. i post on the topic of usa based
>bands/usabb because 1. i know that we do not discuss enough about the usabb.
>2. i am of the firm opinion that we here in the usa especially need to have
>dialogue on the topic of usabb...as a part of the whole reggae movement in
>the world, it only makes sense that we in the usa, by supporting and
>advancing reggae music and usabb right here in this country, the touring
>bands will be helped moreso. people must do things in inity...na wha all wi
>seh in reggae circles?...this divide and rule mentality does not surprise
>me but i want to be one of those who destroys this separation.
>all a wi are one...usabb helps reggae music move forward...we need the fans,
>the radio djs, the promoters, the club owners, the writers, the reggae
>publications, the money people who do not have "anything" to lose, :-)
>the record companies, the festival promoters, everybody, seen?
>( thanks for listening)
>************************
>[snipped]
>I n I have also raved
>>in articles posted to this newsgroup about one excellent usabb, the Ark
>>Band based in Columbus, Ohio,
>
>once again stormN i say "respec" to the i for this kind evaluation. i am
>delighted that you speak so well of the ark band...give thanks.
>**********************
>and paid respect to two others,
>>Root 1 and Killer Bees, both based in Austin, Texas.
>********
>[snipped]
Gregory Stephens
Mark Mohr write that, re: finding common ground for reasoning
between Christian and Rasta reggae artists, that "the first step is
finding out if one holds the belief that the Bible is the inerrant
Word of God."
Well Mark, that is my parents' belief, and I have
learned to respect them, altho we don't talk about religion
directly. But I must say, that if you are making a belief
in "inerrancy" a prerequisite for reasoning, then you are
going to be mostly engaging in a monologue.
This may not be the place to pursue this topic. But briefly,
one always has to keep in mind that "inspired scriptures" have to
come through a lot of filters: human consciousness, language,
specific cultures, etc. We don't have any complete copies of any
copies of the New Testatement that date before the third century,
which means that they had already been copied and changed many times
by them. The earliest gospel Mark was written around 70 AD, after
the destruciton of Jerusalem. And John and Luke were written around
100 AD. Which means that the authors, however "inspired" they were,
were engaging in a form of mythologizing, just as many of us are
now engaged in retrospective mythologizing about Bob Marley.
Imagining these writings to be "inerrant" is a form
of mental slavery, in my view. No disrespect intended--we all have
our own forms of mental slavery. But it's a non-starter for dialogue
with those who may be primarily interested in reggae because
of its oppositional politics, to begin with.
For building a common ground regarding the use of
scripture, I highly recommend to books for starters:
1) Richard Friedman, "Who Wrote the Bible?" (Simon and Schuster 1987)
2) Burton Mack, "Who Wrote the New Testament?" (HarperCollins 1995)
Jah guidance,
M.C. Gregory
john
On Thu, 14 Nov 1996 05:31:04 -0600 GOdis...@hamptons.com wrote:>
>> In a previous article, tan...@aol.com () says:
>> This is Mark Mohr from Christafari. Yes I am actually FROM Christafari.
>> As you may already know our friend Wayne is not From Christafari.
> the dude that took the hammer to the head for your band?
Here we see the classic schizo syndrome where the dude who took the
"hammer to the head" now confused - tries to draw attention to his
abandonment using the (cry for help) alias "GOdisALiVe".
Then in the next message - he says he's going to go out and buy the CD!!!
Wayne - get some help - pleeezzee!
Hey... we could make a movie... "What About Wayne?"
Ras Richard I
>>
>> ----------------------- s n i p --------------------
Yo Al,
You had me belly hurt from lol at your jokes. Maybe this guy should
puff a likkle herb with iman an get a likkle easier. oonu funny man al.
Peace and Blessings
Ras Richard
ps. He who calms the crowd, has many followers
rocksteady
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> In article ,
> rocks...@wport.com wrote:
> >
> > > In a previous article, tan...@aol.com () says:
> > > This is Mark Mohr from Christafari. Yes I am actually FROM Christafari.
> > > As you may already know our friend Wayne is not From Christafari.
>
> the dude that took the hammer to the head for your band?
>
> > don't need any enemies.
> > Al
> >
> Really Mr. A.K. you never dissed this dude or anyone else in here. right?
> That dude was not perfect , he took alot of hits. A.K. at some point its a matter
> of elementray fairness.
OK, Sid or Wayne, or whoever you are... get over it already - this is
usenet! People disagree all the time... quit whining. I'm not the one
who's been posting the insults. All I did was point out to Mark that so
far Wayne has been more of a liablility than an asset in the P.R.
deptartment.
Al
--
Allen Kaatz
\\\\\\\\\\\\ rocks...@wport.com ////////////
GOdis...@hamptons.com
LOL you are cute , but paranoid.
sid
In article ,
john wrote:
>
> On Thu, 14 Nov 1996 05:31:04 -0600 GOdis...@hamptons.com wrote:>
> >> In a previous article, tan...@aol.com () says:
> >> This is Mark Mohr from Christafari. Yes I am actually FROM Christafari.
> >> As you may already know our friend Wayne is not From Christafari.
> > the dude that took the hammer to the head for your band?
> Here we see the classic schizo syndrome where the dude who took the
> "hammer to the head" now confused - tries to draw attention to his
> abandonment using the (cry for help) alias "GOdisALiVe".
> Then in the next message - he says he's going to go out and buy the CD!!!
> Wayne - get some help - pleeezzee!
> Hey... we could make a movie... "What About Wayne?"
>
john
On 13 Nov 1996 10:56:50 GMT "GodISaLiVE" <WA...@hamptons.com> wrote:>
> Whoa , Look to me like you throw this dude wayne under the bus. or better
> yet under the wheel. Ouch.
Wayne, Monikki or GodisAlive or whatever you call yourself today;
Mark Mohr flushed you down the toilet.
A real brother would not have done that.
Understand why I call them christafakes?
>> This is Mark Mohr from Christafari. Yes I am actually FROM Christafari.
>> As you may already know our friend Wayne is not From Christafari.
>> Although he is a zealous fan, he by no means represents all of the
>> positions of Christafari. I DO.
Famous christafari positions - #1
"reggae has never been an all black music"
Mark Mohr - ChristaFari
2nd Sept 96
Here, he flushes black peoples culture down the toilet.
>> I know that in the past there have been many extremely negative
>> things said in the news group.
Yeah - most of it from your mouth.
>> I know that Wayne as well as others have said many
>> negative things and not turned the other cheek.
>> Wayne was wrong.
True. He was wrong to listen to you christafakes.
john
>> But it's a non-starter for dialogue with
>> those who may be primarily interested in reggae
exactly. how about killing this subject now?
rocksteady
Gregory Stephens <gste...@igc.apc.org> wrote:
>Mark Mohr write that, re: finding common ground for reasoning
>between Christian and Rasta reggae artists, that "the first step is
>finding out if one holds the belief that the Bible is the inerrant
>Word of God."
Kind of leaves the Buddhists etc. out in the cold doesn't it?
Al
Ronald E Lam
In a previous article, gste...@igc.apc.org (Gregory Stephens) says:
[snipped]
The earliest gospel Mark was written around 70 AD, after
>the destruciton of Jerusalem. And John and Luke were written around
>100 AD. Which means that the authors, however "inspired" they were,
>were engaging in a form of mythologizing,
just as many of us are
>now engaged in retrospective mythologizing about Bob Marley.
with all due respec, gregory, can you please expand what the statement
"now engaged in retrospective mtyhologizing about bob marley "
above translates into?
thank you...roots-ee
**********
Matthew Moore
Allen Kaatz wrote:
>In article <56bq9b$g...@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com>, StormN says...
>> 2. The Catholic market. This is not to imply
>>that Catholics are not Christian, but instead
>>to recognize them as a unique religious market
>>for reggae. A reggae Mass is very conveivable--
>>after all, the Missa Luba (form Zaire) and other African
>>music make for stirring Catholic experiences. CD's
>>could be distributed at local parishes.
>Skanking to the stations of the cross...
Stranger things have happened! This evening on the phone,
out of the blue, my Mother related a story about a *priest* who
loves reggae. A few days back, a woman friend invited my Mom,
well into retirement now, along on a day trip to the coast. So,
driving the car was my Mom's woman friend's priest cousin,
visiting from Pennselvania. Turns out that the whole trip, he was
playing reggae 'pon the tape deck loud enough so that it drove my
Mother crazy! (I haven't managed to convert her, not for lack
of effort though.) Later, she asked him about that, and it turns out
he loves Jamaica and reggae, and has taken no less than 22 trips
to Jamaica, **on vacation**, since 1968. That reggae loving
Catholic priest is 62 years old. Figure in '68, he'd have been,
what 34, so it seems to fit a bit better. Truth really is
stranger than fiction. :=)
>>5. The Unitarian and Baptist markets (Under
>>Construction).
>Not a lot to work with there - maybe DJs chatting in tongues?
>Some of it already sounds like that anyway...
Very funny Al! <ROTFL>
Respect 'pon people of all faiths, Matthew
--
**** Matthew Moore **** bg...@freenet.carleton.ca
kki...@uic.edu
> >Mark Mohr write that, re: finding common ground for reasoning
> >between Christian and Rasta reggae artists, that "the first step is
> >finding out if one holds the belief that the Bible is the inerrant
> >Word of God."
>
I'm sorry to continue this thread in the newsgroup, but I neglected to get
Mr. Mohr's email address. Hopefully he's still reading and will reply to
me directly, as I don't think that this topic is germain to the purpose of
this group any longer. It is interesting however. I am wondering how Mr.
Mohr would account for the rather extensive editing of the supposedly
'inerrant Word of God' that occured in councils at Nicea, et al. Were the
men who orchestrated the changes made in the Bible acting on behalf of
God? Were the changes that were made somehow ordained by God?
If you consider the Bible to be the inerrant word of God, do you therefore
follow the cleanliness laws of the Torah to the letter? Do you practice
polygamy? Do you believe, as Paul wrote that men and women should be kept
separate in the church and that women should 'keep silent? That is, if
the Bible is inerrant, do you follow it literally?
Kim King
tan...@aol.com
KIm King wrote:
"I am wondering how Mr.
Mohr would account for the rather extensive editing of the supposedly
'inerrant Word of God' that occured in councils at Nicea, et al. Were the
men who orchestrated the changes made in the Bible acting on behalf of
God? Were the changes that were made somehow ordained by God?
At that time there were certain books that previously among the Church,
apostles, etc...were considered God inspired. The next step at this
council was to decide whether or not any other writings should be added to
waht was already accepted. The requirements were that the Author was
indeed who they claimed to be,(for many claimed to be Paul or other
authors just to be read.) They studied the language and the writing
styles for this point. Other criteria were if there were any historical
contradictions or doctrinal contradictions with the proposed epistle Vs
the accepted writings. These and other criterium were used in ultimately
deciding what we today call the Holy Bible. Yes I do believe that these
men were working under the influence of the Holy Spirit. I believe that
God ultimately chose the 66 Books that we presently call the cannon, using
simple people like you and me, giving HImself the glory. As far as
changes are concerned, you would have to be more specific. I was a
Student for many years at Biola University, and studied Greek from the
original text. I do not know what passages you are reffering to. Before
you claim that changes were made I would ask you to study how the Scibes
rigerously endeavored in copying the Bible, and what procedures they went
through in their work. An excellent book for you to read on this is
"Evidence that demands a vedict" by Josh Mc Dowell.
You furth wrote:
"If you consider the Bible to be the inerrant word of God, do you
therefore
follow the cleanliness laws of the Torah to the letter?"
No for in the book of Romans Christ becomes the fullfillment of the Law.
THe Law was set up for health reasons for those times (Menstration,
Leprosy, eating of certain foods that if not cooked right were poisonous,
or spoiled quickly, etc.....) The law was also set up so that all would
know that no one can keep them all on their own. For all of us are
sinners and have fallen short of the Glory of God. Through Christ we are
no longer under the law but are free by grace.
" Do you practice
polygamy?"
No, for although it was written about, in the BIble, it was never
encouraged. Infact, King Solomon Broke the Law by having more than one
wife. The Bible is always honest about the people it writes about.
Because Solomon had many wives, or David murdered and commited adultry it
does not mean that we should follow suit. It simply means that they are
sinners like ourselves. We must not take Historic passages as didactic
(Teaching) passages. Because it happened in the past does not mean that
it is going to happen to you te same way today. However in the didactic
writings (the epistles and others) we find direct teachings for our
everyday lives.
"Do you believe, as Paul wrote that men and women should be kept
separate in the church and that women should 'keep silent? That is, if
the Bible is inerrant, do you follow it literally?"
Kim King"
This again is a passage that one needs to study in light of the Context.
Paul was refering to women who did not understand or hear what the pastor
was saying, so they yelled out to their husbands from the balcony across
the room saying something like "What did he say?" this greatly disturbed
the pastor. In this text the writer (Paul ) is simply asking them not to
disturb the meetings, but instead find out at home what was going on.
Thank you Kim King for your questions, I hope that I have answered them
according to your satisfaction. This is important. As I had said before,
in reasoning it is important to find out what foundation each person is
buit upon. If one quotes from the bible as a basis of their faith, what
is their veiw on the scriptures?
john
You ignored the fact that Kim asked you to reply directly by
email because this topic is not the purpose of this newsgroup.
Why?
tan...@aol.com
Sorry, I am new in here. I will not let it happen again.
Peace
Mark
Robert Nelson
>
I think the whole controversy that originally started about Christafari
had little or nothing to do with the racial make up of the band. For a
long time on this group, the word was that Christafari was passing out
anti-Selassie/anti-Rasta literature at the Sunpslash shows.
Also, someone recently told me that he saw Christafari on one of the
religious cable channels talking about what a badman Selassie was:
killing his people and starving them too.
Now what's the real deal on this, from your mouth, Mark. Is there any
validity to these statements? If you care to comment, either way it
should finally give people at least peace of mind, pro or con, about
this whole issue.
Thanks
Robert
tan...@aol.com
Subject: Re: From Christafari: Let's deal with the case.
Robert Nelson wrote:
"I think the whole controversy that originally started about Christafari
had little or nothing to do with the racial make up of the band. "
Christafari Responds:
Robert I hope that what you are stating is true. If anything it is
probably that we are not from Jamaica, however I hope that this is not the
case either. I would like to think that every on on the rmr judges music
objectivly according to how it sounds.
Robert Nelson wrote:
"For a long time on this group, the word was that Christafari was passing
out anti-Selassie/anti-Rasta literature at the Sunpslash shows."
Christafari Responds:
This is fiction. No Christafari member has ever handed out
anti-Selassie/anti-Rasta literature at any Sunpslash show.
Robert Nelson wrote:
"Also, someone recently told me that he saw Christafari on one of the
religious cable channels talking about what a badman Selassie was: killing
his people and starving them too."
Christafari Responds:
Yes we were on the Pat Boone show, and on a live concert at the nations
capitol called "Washington for Jesus." However, on both of these shows
all that we did was perform. We were also featured on the 700 club, TBN
and CNN, however the subject was Sunsplash and reggae music. I have all
of these shows on tape and after just recently watching them again, I can
personally guarantee that neither of those statements were said. I know
that this may be hard to understand but one of the foundations on which we
stand is the Godly life and example of Selassie as the defender of the
Ethiopian Orthodox faith. As a Christian, we praise whom he praised.
With this in mind I think that you would find that it would be to our
disadvantage to ruin or tear down his credibility by such statements.
Robert Nelson wrote:
"Now what's the real deal on this, from your mouth, Mark. Is there any
validity to these statements?
Christafari Responds:
None Whatsoever.
Robert Nelson wrote:
"If you care to comment, either way it
should finally give people at least peace of mind, pro or con, about
this whole issue.
Thanks
Robert"
Christafari Responds:
Thank you for your questions and concerns. I am glad to clear these
things up for you. I would hate for anyone to think these things about
us. I hope that I have answered all of these questions to your
satisfaction. You have my word with God as my witness that what I have
said is true.
Thanks
Jah bless, Jah Guide, Jah Protect, Jah Provide
Mark "Tansoback" Mohr
Christafari
Ronald E Lam
In a previous article, tan...@aol.com () says:
> Robert Nelson wrote:
>"I think the whole controversy that originally started about Christafari
>had little or nothing to do with the racial make up of the band. "
>
>Christafari Responds:
>Robert I hope that what you are stating is true.
If anything it is
>probably that we are not from Jamaica, however I hope that this is not the
>case either. I would like to think that every on on the rmr judges music
>objectivly according to how it sounds.
_________________________________________
i would like to add my 2 cents worth here. i am a firm supporter of jah
music. as a part of this, and because i live in the usa, i want to see
more and more usa based bands/usabb survive and thrive. i also believe that
people in other countries are going to try to do the same where they live.
( something like think globally, act locally.)
with the **combined** and **cooperative** efforts of all, jah music will
advance and progress. it must !!!
so then there are responsibilities on the part of all concerned...fans,
bands, promoters, radio djs, writers, etc...fans have to support, bands
have to
play well, promoters have to do their business accordingly, radio djs
have a crucial role...
jamaica is the home, others have to remember this fact...
for bands...wherever we are, if we play with this in mind, all
will be "irie." true? respec everytime.
>-------------------------------
tan...@aol.com
To Ronald E Lam,
I completely agree with you.
Stay strong.
Forward the reggae vibe
Mark Mohr
root...@aol.com
In article <56fhom$9...@sjx-ixn7.ix.netcom.com>, StormN
<nbon...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
> I n I have also raved
>in articles posted to this newsgroup about one excellent usabb, the Ark
>Band based in Columbus, Ohio, and paid respect to two others,
>Root 1 and Killer Bees, both based in Austin, Texas.
>
>
Excuse me for jumping on this one late, but I didn't want this praise to
go by without paying respects in return. As Errol has often written about,
there is a plethora (cool word, eh?) of extremely talented reggae
musicians here in the states. I am always pleased to see lovers of the
music come forward and give respect to artists they appreciate regardless
of where they are from, without prejudice. This is the Inity we seek!
Thanks Norman!
and Al, you are one funny man! ...chatting in tongues!...;)
One Love!
Diane
Ronald E Lam
In a previous article, root...@aol.com () says:
><nbon...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>> I n I have also raved
>>in articles posted to this newsgroup about one excellent usabb, the Ark
>>Band based in Columbus, Ohio, and paid respect to two others,
>>Root 1 and Killer Bees, both based in Austin, Texas.
>>
>go by without paying respects in return. As Errol has often written about,
>there is a plethora (cool word, eh?) of extremely talented reggae
>musicians here in the states. I am always pleased to see lovers of the
>music come forward and give respect to artists they appreciate regardless
>of where they are from, without prejudice. This is the Inity we seek!
>Thanks Norman!
>and Al, you are one funny man! ...chatting in tongues!...;)
>One Love!
>Diane
diane, irie to see you are still here on rmr...not only are there good
usa based bands/usabb but give credit to souljah for now taking plenty time
to try to point out in plenty detail information about uk based bands/ukbb
as a further example of reggae worldwide. ( other breddas and sistas in other
countries, please join i&i on this expansive mind set.)
as i have said time after time, and i will again here given another oppor-
tunity, reggae music must move forward in inity from JA to the uk to the usa
to nigeria to germany to japan....all over...
loving one does not preclude i&i from giving respec and support to others.
and we in the usa by supporting the usabb can only but add to the forward
recognition of jah music eventually even as the touring bands come through
there will be added interest, etc...it makes sense to i...
let no one divide i&i...they will try but i&i na fall for it...
jah music, inity music, reggae music in inity will neva be defeated but will
surely triumph...
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