Award
Andre Berger
Charles?
Michael Pronay
> Two weeks ago the Euro received an award, the Charles Award. Who
> is/was Charles?
Charlemagne.
M.
David Prochnow
international search may give you some fine results.
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Sebastian Koppehel
Philippe Vigeral
<acfqmg$p3ap8$1...@ID-91365.news.dfncis.de> :
> Probably you should search for "Karl der Große" with Google,
> international search may give you some fine results.
It's amazing how such a common and important European man
get so different names in different languages that we can't
easily recognize them.
Carolus Magnus = Charlemagne = Karl der Große = ...
I remember we began a discussion about it on europa.historia
[where I put a crosspost], in the early weeks after the europa.*
hierarchy was created, when several people didn't understand
who the hell was that "Karol Wielki" a Polish contributor told
about.
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Philippe Vigeral
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Albert Peel
"Philippe Vigeral" <p...@pottok.org>
>
> It's amazing how such a common and important European man
> get so different names in different languages that we can't
> easily recognize them.
> Carolus Magnus = Charlemagne = Karl der Große = ...
IIRC, he was a great butcher too. Are you sure the Charles Award is named
after Charlemagne? I somehow assumed it was Charles V, probably because the
Renaissance seems to be more the birth of Europe than the early Middle Ages.
Gernot Egger
"Albert Peel" <ap...@freemail.nl> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Are you sure the Charles Award is named
> after Charlemagne? I somehow assumed it was Charles V, probably
because the
> Renaissance seems to be more the birth of Europe than the early Middle
Ages.
It is Charlemagne - Karl der Große. The ceremony takes place in Aachen.
(Kronsaal ??? )
lg Gernot
Albert Peel
"Gernot Egger" <ger...@bigfoot.com> schreef in bericht
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Hmm. I think they should consider naming the award after Charles V on odd
years, and after Charlemagne on even years :-). While Charlemagne's empire
looked like the old EG, the expanded EU looks more like the empire of
Charles V, including Spain, Austria, and much of Germany. In addition,
Charles V's empire lasted longer. The ceremony could shuttle between Ghent
and Aachen each year.
Sebastian Koppehel
> "Philippe Vigeral" <p...@pottok.org>
>>
>> It's amazing how such a common and important European man
>> get so different names in different languages that we can't
>> easily recognize them.
>> Carolus Magnus = Charlemagne = Karl der Große = ...
>
> IIRC, he was a great butcher too.
Correct.
> Are you sure the Charles Award is named after Charlemagne?
That is indeed the case.
> I somehow assumed it was Charles V, probably because the
> Renaissance seems to be more the birth of Europe than the early Middle Ages.
This particular prize was endowed by some citizens of Aachen and
therefore named after Charlemagne, who made the city the center of his
empire.
- Sebastian
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Christian Feldhaus
> Are you sure the Charles Award is named
> after Charlemagne?
Yes, see http://www.karlspreis.de for further information. Don't ask me
why the official website of such a supposedly European award is in
German only ...
Note that there is also another Karlspreis, awarded by the
Sudetendeutsche Landsmannschaft. This is an organization of people
(well, descendants of people) who had to leave what is now the Czech
Republic after WW2 due to their alleged cooperation with the nazis; most
of these Sudeten Germans have lived in the state of Bavaria since then.
http://www.sudeten.de/sudpresse/up/pm_2_16.doc
This other Karlspreis refers to Charles IV, emperor of the Holy Roman
Empire, King of Germany and Bohemia (etc. etc. <g>). If you look at who
has got the International Charlemagne Award (Aachen) so far, and who has
got the European Charles Award (Sudeten) so far, you will note the
difference.
Christian
Philippe Vigeral
<ach4ad$2i5m$1...@scavenger.euro.net> :
> While Charlemagne's empire
> looked like the old EG, the expanded EU looks more like the empire of
> Charles V, including Spain, Austria, and much of Germany.
Without France, however, whereas Charlemagne's empire included
most of it.
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Philippe Vigeral
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Albert Peel
"Philippe Vigeral" <p...@pottok.org>
> Without France, however, whereas Charlemagne's empire
> included most of it.
Sorry for my blindness. My bias towards Charles V is a kind of nostalgia.
Some time ago I saw a description of a legacy from an ancestor in my family
in 1631, of "6 Carolus guilders" (not a fortune, as the heirs could have
bought two pairs of shoes for that money).
I learnt afterwards that they had to write specifically "Carolus" guilder
because at that time different guilders existed (having different values and
names). This Carolus guilder had been introduced by Charles V in 1521. Only
that guilder survived the ages, until last year. I used his guilder for so
long that my wallet feels nostaligic about him.
Philippe Vigeral
> This Carolus guilder had been introduced by Charles V in 1521. Only
> that guilder survived the ages, until last year. I used his guilder for so
> long that my wallet feels nostaligic about him.
As you may know, the French franc was first introduced in 1360,
after Jean II returned in his country from England where he had
been a prisoner for four years ("Franc" means "free").
Thus, French can feel a bit nostalgic about it, as you are about
the guilder (or many people from other countries about their past
currency). However, we have to look toward the future : the
construction of a European entity and identity, the Euro being
one of the steps to them.
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Philippe Vigeral
fr,en,es(ia,it,pt,ca)
Albert Peel
"Philippe Vigeral" <p...@pottok.org>
> As you may know, the French franc was first introduced in 1360,
> after Jean II returned in his country from England where he had
> been a prisoner for four years ("Franc" means "free").
That's an interesting story, I didn't know.
> Thus, French can feel a bit nostalgic about it, as you are about
> the guilder (or many people from other countries about their past
> currency). However, we have to look toward the future : the
> construction of a European entity and identity, the Euro being
> one of the steps to them.
Wisely said, although I suddenly feel nostalgic about the times of the
Treaty, when diversity was highly valued by some members. :-)
Michel Henri
<1fcmwck.10nqj1zriul5zN%cfng...@feldhausnet.de>,
cfng...@feldhausnet.de (Christian Feldhaus) wrote (écrivait) :
> Yes, see http://www.karlspreis.de for further information. Don't ask me
> why the official website of such a supposedly European award is in
> German only ...
Why not? Is not German a European language?
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Michel Henri
Christian Feldhaus
> cfng...@feldhausnet.de (Christian Feldhaus) wrote (écrivait) :
>
> > Yes, see http://www.karlspreis.de for further information. Don't ask me
> > why the official website of such a supposedly European award is in
> > German only ...
>
> Why not? Is not German a European language?
Bien sûr l'allemand est _une_ langue européenne :-) Mais c'est dommage,
à mon avis, que le site web d'un tel prix est "monolingual".
Oui, le Prix Charlemagne est conféré à Aix-la-Chapelle, une ville
allemande (près de Belgique et des Pays-Bas <s>), mais son but est
d'encourager l'intégration européenne, n'est-ce pas? Donc, pourquoi pas
une version française et une version anglaise, hors de la version
allemande -- ou au moins quelques informations pricipales en ces deux
langues?
Christian
Michel Henri
cfng...@feldhausnet.de (Christian Feldhaus) wrote (écrivait) :
> Donc, pourquoi pas
> une version française et une version anglaise, hors de la version
> allemande -- ou au moins quelques informations pricipales en ces deux
> langues?
>
Ja, sie haben Recht. Europa entweder wird mehrsprachig sein, oder wird
nicht sein.
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Michel Henri