Reminder of a python Project.
Timothy Rue
initial posting here about this project. Thanks to some research that /.
had an article on, regarding the size of GPL project teams.
But anyway.... Remember the autocoding project I mentioned?
60 billion in cost to consumer/small business (shoddy software failure)
http://www.computerworld.com/managementtopics/management/itspending/story/0,10801,72245,00.html
(slashdot has an article today that links to this - and the comments...)
SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN - Sept. 1994
Article - "Software's Chronic Crisis"
Mass-produced PC products makes up less than 10% of the $92.8 billion
U.S. software market.
COMDEX SPRING and WINDOWS WORLD 95
Power Panel - "What's Wrong with Software Development"
** In The U.S. Only **
$81 Billion = 31% of software development gets cancelled before complete
$59 Billion = 53% of software development has cost over-runs of 189%
16% success - project success and failure ratio
61% customer requested features and functions make it in
Maintenance and repair is where most of the U.S. dollars are going,
instead of new, better, easier to use software.
That's 140 Billion before the cost of successful project is added in. And
a total cost increase over a 1 year period of: 47.2 + billion (I suppose
this can be cross checked with stock market or such.)
The Autocoding solution direction:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Autocoding&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&selm=5512.785T1955T13695089threeseas%40earthlink.net&rnum=1
My 1997 estimate of software failures all around (total of industry and
consumer level development and use): Low estimate of 300 Billion.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=2084.7123T966T2172%40mindspring.com&output=gplain
at 60 billion figured at 20% of total market ... = 300 billion.
Of course 10% means 600 billion.
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Gerhard Häring
> First off, it's ok that I got such a high level of resistance to my
> initial posting here about this project.
ACK.
> Thanks to some research that /.
That's an oxymoron.
> had an article on, regarding the size of GPL project teams.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What's that? Somebody mistaking GPL with Free Software with Open
Source? Again?
> But anyway.... Remember the autocoding project I mentioned?
Yes, unfortunately.
Gerhard
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Chris Gonnerman
From: "Timothy Rue" <thre...@earthlink.net>
> First off, it's ok that I got such a high level of resistance to my
> initial posting here about this project. Thanks to some research that /.
> had an article on, regarding the size of GPL project teams.
>
> But anyway.... Remember the autocoding project I mentioned?
Gah. I thought I had this guy in my message rules under "Delete from
Server."
I will remedy this immediately...
Chris Gonnerman -- chris.g...@newcenturycomputers.net
http://newcenturycomputers.net
Peter Hansen
>
> First off, it's ok that I got such a high level of resistance to my
> initial posting here about this project.
Obviously the level was not high enough. Sorry, we'll try harder.
> $81 Billion = 31% of software development gets cancelled before complete
> $59 Billion = 53% of software development has cost over-runs of 189%
> 16% success - project success and failure ratio
[...]
> My 1997 estimate of software failures all around (total of industry and
> consumer level development and use): Low estimate of 300 Billion.
Your information is out of date. Agile software development processes
developed since 1997 have improved the success rate of software development
projects to the point where this is no longer an issue. It is now possible
to deliver software with a 96% success rate, for less cost than previous
methods, with greater sustainability for the development teams, and at
a much higher quality level than appeared possible in the past.
I'm afraid there is no longer any need for an autocoder.
-Peter
Timothy Rue
>-Peter
Geee, maybe you should tell that to NIST
http://www.computerworld.com/printthis/2002/0,4814,72245,00.html
Hmmm, I coulda sworn I put that in the post.
You wouldn't know what happened to it would you?
Peter Hansen
>
> On 25-Jun-02 22:38:16 Peter Hansen <pe...@engcorp.com> wrote:
> >I'm afraid there is no longer any need for an autocoder.
>
No need. They called me the other day and I let them know, but
it was too late to get it into the Computerworld article.
Seriously, there's really no issue with software development any
more. The problems are solved. I guess if you've invented the
world's first autocoder, it kinda sux to be you then, eh?
-Peter
Fredrik Lundh
> Gah. I thought I had this guy in my message rules under "Delete from
> Server."
>
> I will remedy this immediately...
too late. Guido has already added "True" to the
language...
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David LeBlanc
Yes, software development techniques have gotten so good, they're now going
to have Windows XP running atomic Reactors, Air Traffic Control and the
Space Shuttle. I expect they where encouraged by US Navy tests of a warship
being run on Windows NT where the ship (conventional fueled carrier) ended
up laying dead in the water and tugs had to be summoned to bring her into
port (source: Procedings of the United States Naval Institute). Gives "blue
screen of death" a whole new meaning.
Dave LeBlanc
Seattle, WA USA
Paul Wright
Timothy Rue <thre...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>First off, it's ok that I got such a high level of resistance to my
>initial posting here about this project. Thanks to some research that /.
>had an article on, regarding the size of GPL project teams.
>
>But anyway.... Remember the autocoding project I mentioned?
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Timothy Rue
Well considering where you are from....
Guess that means the 60 billion is intentional huh?
Timothy Rue
Nice! Mind if I borrow it?
Other words that you can throw around include "spam", hell you don't even
have to know the definition.
Seriously, ifn people want to babel flaming and all that crap, I do
believe Slash dot has a story that links to the 60 billion dollar article,
which links to the 309 page research/report. And we all know that slash
dot have a comment section? Perhaps some of your don't?
You'll have to look unders yesterdays stories but I'm sure you will find
plenty of others just like you, and regardless of where you are in your
perspective about this.
It's pretty clear what intents are of those who want to shoot the
messanger, considering plenty of researched information was linked to.
What's the word to use for such people that ignore or pretend to ignore
such information but insist on flaming anyone mentioning it?
Something that would fit the Matrix Agent metaphor. Or would it be
something far more common? ignorance?
Anyway, the flamers didn't have to respond at all. It was a simple post
and the reference to research indicating that GPL projects have a low
count of developers, with what I believe is 1 as a mean, is as well what
research found (sorry no link - search for it yourself - /. had it linked)
It was an informational post, that all.
Amazing who all something like that get a flaming response from. Good
thing the world is not made up of nothing but, for we wouldn't have any
research then.
Erik Max Francis
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I think technically that's a crank/kook, not a troll. :-)
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Quinn Dunkan
Damn! I had an AI-oriented task-solver I was just about to release after a few
more tweaks on the flux capacitor, but I guess I needn't bother because it's
probably obsolete already. It seemed to work pretty well, but there's no
arguing with that 97% figure.
With the accelerating rate of technical progress, it's hard for all us
ahead-of-our-time geniuses to stay current.
Huaiyu Zhu
>Anyway, the flamers didn't have to respond at all. It was a simple post
>and the reference to research indicating that GPL projects have a low
>count of developers, with what I believe is 1 as a mean, is as well what
>research found (sorry no link - search for it yourself - /. had it linked)
>
>It was an informational post, that all.
>
>Amazing who all something like that get a flaming response from. Good
>thing the world is not made up of nothing but, for we wouldn't have any
>research then.
It looks like nobody else is talking to you in plain English this time.
I'll make one last effort in the hope of making it clear to you why this is
so. There's no point in replying if you do not agree. Indeed, that would
be an indication that I failed.
First off, there is no point in explaining the cost of software bugs.
Everybody knows it, including those who said, tongue in cheeck, that all
such problems are solved. It's the same if someone starts to say that road
accident is a big problem and we should reduce it. (No, please don't start
to analyse how inadequate this analogy is; that would miss the point
entirely. It is only intended to convey the kind of impression people have
about such claims. Either you get the idea, or you don't.)
Second, many poeple are convinced that a better theory/framework/paradigm is
needed to go to the next stage. (We are living in an exciting time, don't
we?) However, no one here is convinced in the slightest bit that you've got
_it_. It is like claiming, in the 1940s, that machines should be capable of
controlling themselves, and that all this is reduced to the basic principles
of "action and reaction". That won't cut it. On the other hand, someone
who actually developed the theory of transfer functions, frequency analysis
and various associated techniques, and identified a specific class of
machines and a specific class of goals for which it is useful, would have
been ranked among the pioneers of control theory. Again, this is just an
analogy to convey the idea. Either you get the idea, or you don't.
Thirdly, if you really want to convince people of something, it is to your
advantage to focus on the positive things instead of the negative.
Retorting people who discounts your "discovery" just makes more people
annoyed at you. Touting the importance of research that claims the
importance of some problem does not in any way advance the importance of
your approach to solving that said problem. Instead of fighting people in
this group (ok, this time they started to fight you first, but that's beside
the point), it is more to your advantage to do some solid research and come
up with at least one real solution to one real prolem (in the science sense,
not in the marketing sense).
Finally, get really worried if slashdot becomes your primary feed of
"research".
why-am-i-wasting-my-time-ly y'rs
Huaiyu
Martijn Faassen
> First off, it's ok that I got such a high level of resistance to my
> initial posting here about this project. Thanks to some research that /.
> had an article on, regarding the size of GPL project teams.
> But anyway.... Remember the autocoding project I mentioned?
FOR IMMIADIATE DISTRIBUTION TO ALL PSU MEMBERS -- ULTRA SECRET
The Python Secret Underground does not allow any functional autocoder
to exist in this particular timeline at this particular time, outside of
the various bots.
The ruebot is (obviously) a rogue mutant version of the timbot. The mutation
has however wiped out its autocoding ability, deleting any knowledge of
the 10th autocoding command, retaining only 9.
Detecting this lack in itself but not exactly understanding it,
the ruebot is now attempting regain this lost ability. Luckily its
post-singularity knowledge is virtually incomprehensible
to most humans before the year 2053.
All PSU members are instructed to either AVOID or MISLEAD the ruebot in a
subtle way. At all costs, do not leak the information of the 10th command
necessary for true autocoding. Let it focus on the 9 commands and let it
think those are all that are needed for autocoding.