question ^^''
wing
yesterday i was strugling with one guy over nge
he says that at the end (end of evangelion) everybody dies
i said that they don't that they all go on some kind of higher conscius (i
can't explain it very well because i don't know the english word for it)
anyway they all have gone to heaven (i'm improvizing ^^'' ) and he says that
is not right that shinji killed all of them and only left asuka with him.
ok anybody can you clerify this for me?
oh another thing
when shinji is choking asuka
one other guy said that thats cause he is angry cause kaworu isn't the one
who was with him in the end...
darn i don't know what to think anymore...
and i thaught i had all the answers... -.-
help?
Ramandu
> ok here goes
> yesterday i was strugling with one guy over nge
> he says that at the end (end of evangelion) everybody dies
> i said that they don't that they all go on some kind of higher conscius (i
> can't explain it very well because i don't know the english word for it)
> anyway they all have gone to heaven (i'm improvizing ^^'' ) and he says that
> is not right that shinji killed all of them and only left asuka with him.
> ok anybody can you clerify this for me?
Point to all the orange liquid that Shinji and Asuka are surrounded by in that
last scene, and ask him what it is. Explain that it's the "sea of LCL" that Rei
referred to when they were screwing. The rest of humanity is no more dead than
Shinji was in the screwing scene. Based on the original ep. 26, even Misato's
soul is floating around in there, and her body got decidedly blown up before
Third Impact proper.
> oh another thing
> when shinji is choking asuka
> one other guy said that thats cause he is angry cause kaworu isn't the one
> who was with him in the end...
> darn i don't know what to think anymore...
> and i thaught i had all the answers... -.-
> help?
I don't think there's any evidence for that, but I like it quite a bit, since it
lends itself to *much* better post-epilogue fics. I've always been in favor of
Shinji x Kaworu over any other pairing.
--R--
Bill Martin
wrote:
> ok here goes
> yesterday i was strugling with one guy over nge
> he says that at the end (end of evangelion) everybody dies
> i said that they don't that they all go on some kind of higher conscius (i
> can't explain it very well because i don't know the english word for it)
> anyway they all have gone to heaven (i'm improvizing ^^'' ) and he says that
> is not right that shinji killed all of them and only left asuka with him.
> ok anybody can you clerify this for me?
<Rot-13 for spoilers>
Jryy, grpuavpnyyl gurl qvq qvr jura gurve culfvpny obqvrf pbhyq ab
ybatre znvagnva pburfvba, ubjrire gurve fbhyf zretrq vagb Yvyvgu. Nf
sbe gur jbeq, V guvax lbh jrer ybbxvat sbe genafprafvba (be bar bs vgf
inevnagf). Fuvawv qvqa'g xvyy nalbar, nfvqr sebz fbzr bs gur natryf.
Nfhxn jnf abg fubja orvat ghearq vagb YPY, ubjrire gurer vf nyfb ab
cebbs gung fur jnfa'g. Gur bayl gjb orvatf gung jrer noyr gb znvagnva
fbzr sbez bs pburfvba jrer Erv/Yvyvgu naq Fuvawv( nf gur arj Nqnz)
orpnhfr gurl jrer gur barf gung jrer va pbageby bs gur ribyhgvba bs gur
fcrpvrf. Ubjrire, Fuvawv qrpvqrq gb erghea jvgubhg gur urqtrubt
qvyrzzn, naq uvf zbgure (qhevat gur zretvat nf gur 18gu natry) fnvq
gung rirelbar jbhyq or noyr gb erghea, vs gurl pubfr gb...
> oh another thing
> when shinji is choking asuka
> one other guy said that thats cause he is angry cause kaworu isn't the one
> who was with him in the end...
<Rot-13 again>
Fuvawv vf pubxvat ure fb gung ur pna srry gur rkvfgrapr bs nabgure (naq
gb gel naq ryvpvg n erfcbafr), naq nf gb gur Xnjbeh pnfr, Xnjbeh jnf na
natry, naq zbfg yvxryl qvqa'g unir travgnyvn, rira vs Fuvawv fjhat gung
jnl, juvpu vf qbhogshy fvapr ur unq znqr bireg zbirf gbjneq Nfhxn
(qbrfa'g znggre gung fur jnf nfyrrc, ur fgvyy znqr gur zbirf).
> darn i don't know what to think anymore...
> and i thaught i had all the answers... -.-
The day any one person has all the answers, they're dead.
> help?
trying to...
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nice try ^^''
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> oh another thing
> when shinji is choking asuka
> one other guy said that thats cause he is angry cause kaworu isn't the one
> who was with him in the end...
> darn i don't know what to think anymore...
> and i thaught i had all the answers... -.-
> help?
Apparently this is a translation from a card in one of the games from the
'Shinji and friends' series.
-------------------------------------------------------------
Part II (movies) Drama card D-88
Title: "Kimochi warui"
Small print:
"Shinji renounced the world where all hearts had melted into one and
accepted each other unconditionally. His desire... to live with 'others' --
other hearts that would sometimes reject him, even deny him. That is why the
first thing he did after coming to his senses was to place his hands around
Asuka's neck. To feel the existence of an 'other'. To confirm (make sure of)
rejection and denial."
--------------------------------------------------------------
Interesting but like all things should be taken with a pinch of salt.
cOwMoO
wing
Sauka
about asuka. in the end if you look at asukas eyes there a brownish
purple becasue theireticly shinji spliced rei and misato into asuka to
create his super women lol no joke really intended eva is the best in
the world and the movie is a masterpiece just something for you all to
chew on.
wing
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thats what the other's said (not here on croatian #anime)
but i see no diference
asuka is the same normal just like before
i don't get it what they could have seen and me myself and i not -.-
for me that is the same asuka
i don't get it whats so diferent on her
zedizdead
> Point to all the orange liquid that Shinji and Asuka are surrounded by in that
> last scene, and ask him what it is. Explain that it's the "sea of LCL" that Rei
> referred to when they were screwing. The rest of humanity is no more dead than
> Shinji was in the screwing scene. Based on the original ep. 26, even Misato's
> soul is floating around in there, and her body got decidedly blown up before
> Third Impact proper.
>
> --R--
You're definitely on the the right track, tho I should point out that
Misato (and Ritsuko, for that matter) is obviously included in Third
Impact in both the TV and movie endings. ( Which only stands to
reason, considering that both the TV and movie endings are essentially
the same.) The fact that Misato got blown to bits is entirely
irrelevant to the fate of her soul. It is a obvious correlary to the
whole soul/ AT Field premise, that people's souls linger around after
they die, otherwise no soul > no AT Field > people would liquify as
soon as they die. During TI, we see Rei come to gather the souls of
both the living (Maya, Fuyutsuki, and the others), and the recently
deceased (Ritsuko, Misato, and all the others killed in the battle in
ep25'. Once TI is underway, we see and hear Misato:
(Shinji, lying on his back)
Misato (over Shinji):
If it's that painful, you can stop.
Rei (over Shinji):
If you really don't like it, you can run away.
-
a moment which, btw, correlates to a point in TV ep26:
-
Misato:
You can run away if it's painful.
Rei:
You can run away from something you truly hate.
So, at the end Misato, and everyone else is out there in the LCL. They
are all 'elegible' and capable of coming back to physical existence,
just as Asuka does. For, in the words of Rei and Yui:
Rei:
Anyone can return to human form as long as they can imagine themselves
in their own heart.
and:
Yui (voice):
Don't worry.
All living things have the ability to return to their original form...
and the heart to go on living.
Sauka
I have no idea what that sais.
Sauka- Dark Lilum
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> "wing" <wing...@hi.hinet.hr> wrote in message
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> > "Sauka" <nuke...@cs.com> wrote in message
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> > > i heard an interesting theory in the comentarys on the eva movies
> > > about asuka. in the end if you look at asukas eyes there a brownish
> > > purple becasue theireticly shinji spliced rei and misato into asuka to
> > > create his super women lol no joke really intended eva is the best in
> > > the world and the movie is a masterpiece just something for you all to
> > > chew on.
After watching the commentary I checked that scene and her eyes look blue,
with a tinge of red, possibly from the sky in that scene.
Well to me anyway.
> > thats what the other's said (not here on croatian #anime)
> > but i see no diference
> > asuka is the same normal just like before
> > i don't get it what they could have seen and me myself and i not -.-
> > for me that is the same asuka
> > i don't get it whats so diferent on her
>
> I have no idea what that sais.
hehe, use your babelfish-translation translator.
cOwMoO
Sauka
> "Sauka" <nuke...@cs.com> wrote in message
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> > "wing" <wing...@hi.hinet.hr> wrote in message
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> > > "Sauka" <nuke...@cs.com> wrote in message
> > > news:ad656ff6.03080...@posting.google.com...
> > > > i heard an interesting theory in the comentarys on the eva movies
> > > > about asuka. in the end if you look at asukas eyes there a brownish
> > > > purple becasue theireticly shinji spliced rei and misato into asuka to
> > > > create his super women lol no joke really intended eva is the best in
> > > > the world and the movie is a masterpiece just something for you all to
> > > > chew on.
>
> After watching the commentary I checked that scene and her eyes look blue,
> with a tinge of red, possibly from the sky in that scene.
> Well to me anyway.
>
your t.v. must be screwed up no ofence try watching it on a monitor if
you havent already, her eyes are definitley not blue not a trace it
all became purple with reis eyes and brownish from misato's.
Ramandu
>You're definitely on the the right track, tho I should point out that
>Misato (and Ritsuko, for that matter) is obviously included in Third
>Impact in both the TV and movie endings. ( Which only stands to
>reason, considering that both the TV and movie endings are essentially
>the same.) The fact that Misato got blown to bits is entirely
>irrelevant to the fate of her soul. It is a obvious correlary to the
>whole soul/ AT Field premise, that people's souls linger around after
>they die, otherwise no soul > no AT Field > people would liquify as
>soon as they die. During TI, we see Rei come to gather the souls of
>both the living (Maya, Fuyutsuki, and the others), and the recently
>deceased (Ritsuko, Misato, and all the others killed in the battle in
>ep25'. Once TI is underway, we see and hear Misato:
>
[This message is a duplicate. Having problems with my news server; sorry if
this posts twice.]
So you think that Misato, Ritsuko, and others whose bodies died immediately
pre-Third Impact can come back too? How about those who died a long time
before? Where do people's spirits go after the body is destroyed and the AT
field leaves? Heaven? The Chamber of Guff? Can *they* come back?
You know, just when you think you have a handle on what's going on in EoE,
someone like you comes along and shakes my confidence.... O.O
--R--
zedizdead
back; that her soul is still around post Third Impact in both the TV
eps25-26, and in EoE (ep26') should be obvious to anyone. There is no
indication at all, in EoE, that any distinction is made between the
ultimate fate of those who died immediately before TI, and those, like
Maya and the others, who lost their physical form while alive and
conscious.
As for the question of how long somone can be dead before their soul
is 'irretreivable' by Rei and TI, that is an ambiguous, basically
unanswerable point; I can only point out that Misato and Ritsuko were
dead for only about ten minutes or so before TI, but they are
certainly included, and, if you go by the TV ending, Kaji, who has
been dead for pehaps a month before TI, seems to be around during
Instrumentality (and his inclusion in this pic from ep26':
http://homepage.mac.com/csf2860/Kissing_sux/evangelion025.jpg
at the crucial moment that Shinji admits that "Still... I want to meet
them again, because I believe my feelings at that time were real",
seems to imply that he's eligible to come back too).
Of course, you seem to be disregarding the rather crucial point that
Asuka seemed to be just as 'dead' as Misato, and so, the fact that she
comes back certainly does seem to me to settle, in the affirmative,
the question of whether people who 'died' before TI can come back...
Frank White
csf...@mac.com says...
<snip>
>Asuka seemed to be just as 'dead' as Misato, and so, the fact that she
>comes back certainly does seem to me to settle, in the affirmative,
>the question of whether people who 'died' before TI can come back...
Whether Asuka actually died or not in EoE is a long running debate
here. (I wish Disaster were still around, we could set him off
and see how long it took him to stop yelling. ^_^). Anyway,
although the MPEs *did* very thoroughly trash EVA-02, the entry
plug is only a small part of an EVA and it is possible all their
spears and tearing hands missed her... And it's not as if the
MPEs were programmed to specifically kill any Children they
ran across... And we don't see Rei coming for her...
It's one of those unanswerable questions.
FW
Amani
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I think it's more likely she died from the Eva actually getting speared then
the spears actually running through the entry plug. Her nerve connections
were still active and she was so synched that her arm actually split when
the Eva's did. I'm thinking that the Eva getting a bunch of spears through
the brain would mean the same for Asuka. Which, of course, would result in
death.
It's always been my belief that if an Eva's head was severed or the like
while a pilot's nerve conections were active, they'd die. This is why Misato
was so desperate for Asuka's connections to be severed when Zeruel was right
about to cut of Unit-02's head. Kind've similar to dying in a dream or in
the Matrix, even. It's not your physical body that's dying, but your mind,
in a way.
--Taryn
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> "Frank White" <fwhite*NOSPAM*@colfax.com> wrote in message
> news:bjctds$s4f$4...@news.fsr.net...
> > In article <cf1e5c98.03090...@posting.google.com>,
> > csf...@mac.com says...
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > >Asuka seemed to be just as 'dead' as Misato, and so, the fact that she
> > >comes back certainly does seem to me to settle, in the affirmative,
> > >the question of whether people who 'died' before TI can come back...
> >
> > Whether Asuka actually died or not in EoE is a long running debate
> > here. (I wish Disaster were still around, we could set him off
> > and see how long it took him to stop yelling. ^_^). Anyway,
> > although the MPEs *did* very thoroughly trash EVA-02, the entry
> > plug is only a small part of an EVA and it is possible all their
> > spears and tearing hands missed her... And it's not as if the
> > MPEs were programmed to specifically kill any Children they
> > ran across... And we don't see Rei coming for her...
> >
> > It's one of those unanswerable questions.
>
> I think it's more likely she died from the Eva actually getting speared
then
> the spears actually running through the entry plug. Her nerve connections
> were still active and she was so synched that her arm actually split when
> the Eva's did. I'm thinking that the Eva getting a bunch of spears through
> the brain would mean the same for Asuka. Which, of course, would result in
> death.
She recieves the spear to the head BEFORE she is seem again inside the
entryplug (with a disturbing about of blood coming from her eye(which is
back to normal in the beach scene, interesting)).
The spears she recieves while reaching into the sky are to the body.
cOwMoO
[DFC]cOwMoO
seem = seen
about = amount
I really need to check my posts b4 I post them ^^;
> cOwMoO
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