Japan should send its force to Iraq
Kaz
today as ”Japan should get out from the stand and come down to
the ground, doesn't have to be a pitcher or a catcher, but should play
baseball". I really think we should this time in Iraq. At least as a
outfielder or a pinch hitter. No matter whether it's a battle or not,
our force should be sent to Iraq. And then after Iraq, we should kick
the silly little dictator pointing nuclear missile to us out of his
starving land. And we should save people starving, trying to get flesh
of human.
Kaz
James Anatidae
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030610/ap_on_re_as/japan_iraq_2
I guess Washington doens't care that it would violate Japan's constitution.
They're called "Self Defense Forces" for a reason.
Daryl Hunt
"James Anatidae" <parshal...@citcom.net> wrote in message
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Who do you think wrote that Constitution in the First Place? The United
States.
In the meantime, they spend almost nothing for National Defense unlike the
US does. What we see is, unfair trade practices where they take that money
not spent on National Defense and subsidise goods for export to the US.
That method would be selling it for less than it costed to manufacture it in
order to keep another countries supplies appear to be overpriced.
They do need to become part of the rest of the world in all ways, not just
financial.
grun...@msn.com
Japan as America's lap dog, as usual.
USA
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Japan can be trusted as a US Ally.
I have doubts about South Korea.
USA
USA
The United States wrote their constitution after the war in 1945.
By 1950 we were already regretting what we did.
Gen. Douglas MacArthur wanted, among a whole bunch of other things, to see
a new Japanese Army fighting the commies on the Korean Penninsula.
It was Japan herself who resisted getting involved having been just burned
in a long war.
USA
The Count
> >
> > Japan as America's lap dog, as usual.
>
> Japan can be trusted as a US Ally.
> I have doubts about South Korea.
>
> USA
and why does the US need allies? We sure didn't when we decided to go to
Iraq in the first place.
USA
"The Count" <vl...@impaler.com> wrote in message
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I believe that the US government's official position regarding going to war
with Iraq was
that they had 26 "allies" of which 4 put troops on the ground in Iraq.
I think you are mistaking the security council opposition as the whole span
of countries
in the world.
The Count
Regardless, my point is that big brother America does not need anyone's
help to make up its own mind and then act out aggressively.
USA
Yes and No. For example even a pre-emptive strike in many cases requires at
the least assistance from other countries
in terms of use of their airbases and/or their airbases, so while the US
"could" do what it felt like, without some assistance
from others the project may be too costly or too difficult logistically to
carry out. On the other hand aggressive actions
such as Panama or Grenada certainly did not require help from anybody.
But the main reason to obtain others' help, assistance, approval, whatever
really has to do with future diplomatic
and economic relations during and after the act of aggression.
grun...@msn.com
> > Japan as America's lap dog, as usual.
>
> Japan can be trusted as a US Ally.
> I have doubts about South Korea.
>
> USA
After United States have shielded top Japanese war criminals,
it's the least Japan could do for US, no? Wait until Japanese
interests no longer converge with that of United States.
How often you call other netter(s) moron and for what reason?
USA
The way the world has developed since 1945, it is pretty much impossible to
have a diversion
of interests between the US and western europe or the US and Japan to the
extent that military
capability becomes an issue. And please don't confuse something as minor as
the US-France dispute
in the security council prior to the Iraq war as a split in interests to
that degree. It wasn't and isn't.
If you want to charge that the US shielded and covered up alot of actions
conducted by the Imperial Japanese
forcers during WWII, then the answer is yes, the US is indeed guilty of
having done just that. Not only that,
after re-writing Japan's post war constitution so that they would not have a
standing army, by 1950 we were
already regretting that and pushed for the formation of a branch of the
national police department which has
evolved into what is called the Japanese Self Defense Forces today.
I don't often call posters "morons" unless they do something blatantly
stupid...such as asking for evidence
of racism while using a racist term themselves....DUHHHHHHH....
USA
grun...@msn.com
> > After United States have shielded top Japanese war criminals,
> > it's the least Japan could do for US, no? Wait until Japanese
> > interests no longer converge with that of United States.
> If you want to charge that the US shielded and covered up alot of actions
> conducted by the Imperial Japanese
> forcers during WWII, then the answer is yes, the US is indeed guilty of
> having done just that. Not only that
I don't want to charge anything. It's the fact.
> > How often you call other netter(s) moron and for what reason?
> I don't often call posters "morons" unless they do something blatantly
> stupid...such as asking for evidence
> of racism while using a racist term themselves....DUHHHHHHH....
>
> USA
Quote any usage of racist term that made you use the term moron,
if you have any.
Kaz
So what? actually Koizumi is a descendant of the Satsuma Hayato who
had raised the pseudo British civilization of the Meiji era.
Now he is acting like Mr. Blair, as well as his ancestors had mimiced
the British.
I'm just watching him if he really deserves to be the lap dog since he
might bite like the Satsuma Hayato Tokyo regime attacked the pearl
harbor.
USA
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> > > After United States have shielded top Japanese war criminals,
> > > it's the least Japan could do for US, no? Wait until Japanese
> > > interests no longer converge with that of United States.
>
> > If you want to charge that the US shielded and covered up alot of
actions
> > conducted by the Imperial Japanese
> > forcers during WWII, then the answer is yes, the US is indeed guilty of
> > having done just that. Not only that
>
> I don't want to charge anything. It's the fact.
No you did make a charge and I agreed thast the US is guilty of that charge.
>
> > > How often you call other netter(s) moron and for what reason?
>
> > I don't often call posters "morons" unless they do something blatantly
> > stupid...such as asking for evidence
> > of racism while using a racist term themselves....DUHHHHHHH....
> >
> > USA
>
> Quote any usage of racist term that made you use the term moron,
> if you have any.
OK here you go. Your own words.
<grun...@msn.com> wrote in message
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> k...@ivebeenframed.com (Kaz) wrote in message
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> > The Koreans have been bashing, flaming us with "every jap is brutal
> > racist" things for years, decades in here. I could not contain myself
> > any longer so that's why I wrote as that. I really feel that the
> > Koreans are awful egoistic racists.
>
> Give credible examples where quote Koreans have been bashing,
> flaming us with every jap is brutal racist things for years, decades
> in here, unquote.
The word "Jap" is a racist term grunt. Not only is it a racist term, it is
an English term and used extensively
durting WWII by Americans who were at war with the Japanese Empire.
The Japanese Empire during tyhattime period included Korea, and there were
Korean soldiers even officers
in the Imperial Japanese Army.
These Koreans shot at American troops and were considered "japs" by American
troops.
So when a Korean thinks he is insulting a japanese by using the English word
"jap" it merely shows his
complete lack of knowledge concerning that word. That's why I always suggest
that Koreans at least
use their own Korean words if they want to be racist and insulting.
But perhaps more importantly, Non-Asian Americans in general can't or don't
differentiate between
Chinese-Japanese-Korean anyway, so terms like "chink, jap and gook"
effectively insults all asians
and asian-americans.
Something to think about.
min10011
What does "quote...unquote" mean to you? Sanctimonious idiot.
USA
"min10011" <min1...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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min10011
Just answer a question simply and directly for once.
grun...@msn.com
> > > Deputy Secretary of State, Richard Lee Armitage visiting Japan said
> > > today as "Japan should get out from the stand and come down to
> > > the ground, doesn't have to be a pitcher or a catcher, but should play
> > > baseball". I really think we should this time in Iraq. At least as a
> > > outfielder or a pinch hitter. No matter whether it's a battle or not,
> > > our force should be sent to Iraq. And then after Iraq, we should kick
> > > the silly little dictator pointing nuclear missile to us out of his
> > > starving land. And we should save people starving, trying to get flesh
> > > of human.
> >
> > Japan as America's lap dog, as usual.
>
> So what? actually Koizumi is a descendant of the Satsuma Hayato who
> had raised the pseudo British civilization of the Meiji era.
with Hirohito, got pardon from Americans, so there is Japan willing to
oblige America's request, only because it suits Japan. In other words,
it's usual Japan trying to weasel out its way without having to accounted
for its past.
grun...@msn.com
[Regarding Japan's war criminals, did United States looked the other way?]
>> I don't want to charge anything. It's the fact.
>
> No you did make a charge and I agreed thast the US is guilty of that charge.
Do you want to keep playing semantics?
> > Quote any usage of racist term that made you use the term moron,
> > if you have any.
>
> OK here you go. Your own words.
> <grun...@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:5ba2f89c.03061...@posting.google.com...
> > k...@ivebeenframed.com (Kaz) wrote in message
> news:<365fcc52.03060...@posting.google.com>...
> > > The Koreans have been bashing, flaming us with "every jap is brutal
> > > racist" things for years, decades in here. I could not contain myself
> > > any longer so that's why I wrote as that. I really feel that the
> > > Koreans are awful egoistic racists.
> >
> > Give credible examples where quote Koreans have been bashing,
> > flaming us with every jap is brutal racist things for years, decades
> > in here, unquote.
>
> The word "Jap" is a racist term grunt. Not only is it a racist term, it is
This is simply unbelievable. I am arguing with a person who charges
racism in spite of quote ... unquote, as I have done? Why don't you
charge Kaz thing of racism since he himself used the term jap in the
first place. Truly amazing.
grun...@msn.com
> The Koreans have been bashing, flaming us with "every jap is brutal
> racist" things for years, decades in here. I could not contain myself
> any longer so that's why I wrote as that. I really feel that the
> Koreans are awful egoistic racists.
<grun...@msn.com> wrote in message
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> Give credible examples where quote Koreans have been bashing,
> flaming us with every jap is brutal racist things for years, decades
> in here, unquote.
Whatever scribble between quote and unquote is verbatim. It is verbatim
of whatever spued by Japan apologist Kaz thing. Does it mean when Kaz
thing use the term jap, it doesn't constitute racism, but when I quote
verbatim, I am racist? Truly amazing. Read quote and unquote.
Come to think of it, Japan has history of governing body sanctioned
racism. Japan still unrepentent of its past, it is highly curious
why Japan apologists come to soc.culture.korean only to accuse Koreans
of racism.
> "min10011" <min1...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> What does "quote...unquote" mean to you? Sanctimonious idiot.
"USA" <U...@aol.com> wrote in message news:<w6OGa.2044$Uj1....@nwrdny02.gnilink.net>...
> Why did you change your name retard?
How often do you call other people of moron and retard and for what
reason? I changed my name when I post to soc.culture.korean about
a month or so back, because I changed my internet provider. I used
to post as jjgshin using AOL account. What is your problem? I don't
know who is min1...@hotmail.com but you are simply unbelievably
amazing character.
Only saving grace is that you are not first one to cheapen yourself.
At least you don't seem to claim Christianity to youself in the process.
USA
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> [Regarding Japan's war criminals, did United States looked the other way?]
> >> I don't want to charge anything. It's the fact.
> >
> > No you did make a charge and I agreed thast the US is guilty of that
charge.
>
> Do you want to keep playing semantics?
>
fact that I agreed
with your charge. Just exactly why you feel you need to get your panties in
knot over this is beyond me.
> > > Quote any usage of racist term that made you use the term moron,
> > > if you have any.
> >
> > OK here you go. Your own words.
>
> > <grun...@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:5ba2f89c.03061...@posting.google.com...
> > > k...@ivebeenframed.com (Kaz) wrote in message
> > news:<365fcc52.03060...@posting.google.com>...
> > > > The Koreans have been bashing, flaming us with "every jap is brutal
> > > > racist" things for years, decades in here. I could not contain
myself
> > > > any longer so that's why I wrote as that. I really feel that the
> > > > Koreans are awful egoistic racists.
> > >
> > > Give credible examples where quote Koreans have been bashing,
> > > flaming us with every jap is brutal racist things for years, decades
> > > in here, unquote.
> >
> > The word "Jap" is a racist term grunt. Not only is it a racist term, it
is
>
> This is simply unbelievable. I am arguing with a person who charges
> racism in spite of quote ... unquote, as I have done? Why don't you
> charge Kaz thing of racism since he himself used the term jap in the
> first place. Truly amazing.
I would very much like to charge Kaz with racism, but
he is a weird Japanese who thinks somehow that the area of Japan where he is
from
is somehow not connected to the Japan where Tokyo is.
He doesn't take responsibilty for the atrocities commited by the IJA during
WWII on
the grounds that they were done by the "Tokyo-Japs".
Regardless of whether Kaz has a legitimate point or is simply in need of
therapy, the
fact remains that as an American I can not get on Kazs' case about using
racist terms
about Japanese because he himself is Japanese.
Now,,,Korean posters, or any posters who are not Japanese using such racist
terminology
are a completely different case.
USA
And what the hell is your rant suppose to mean?
Hirohito wasn't a war criminal because we never charged him or tried him as
one.
He never got a "pardon" because he didn't have to.
And all that has nothing to do with what;s going on in Japan now or it's
decision to send
JSDF troops to Iraq.
If you feel you must have ONE reason for all that is happening it is...Kim
Jong iL.
North Korea with their continued belligerence has managed to accomplish what
the US
has been trying to do unsuccesfully since 1950.
grun...@msn.com
> > > > Japan as America's lap dog, as usual.
> > >
> > > So what? actually Koizumi is a descendant of the Satsuma Hayato who
> > > had raised the pseudo British civilization of the Meiji era.
> >
> > Is this really a retort, so what? Japan's highest war criminals, starting
> > with Hirohito, got pardon from Americans, so there is Japan willing to
> > oblige America's request, only because it suits Japan. In other words,
> > it's usual Japan trying to weasel out its way without having to accounted
> > for its past.
>
> And what the hell is your rant suppose to mean?
> Hirohito wasn't a war criminal because we never charged him or tried him as
> one.
> He never got a "pardon" because he didn't have to.
> And all that has nothing to do with what;s going on in Japan now or it's
> decision to send
> JSDF troops to Iraq.
> If you feel you must have ONE reason for all that is happening it is...Kim
> Jong iL.
> North Korea with their continued belligerence has managed to accomplish what
> the US
> has been trying to do unsuccesfully since 1950.
You are right, Hirohito didn't have to get pardon because he wasn't
charged with war crime - because Americans didn't want to face whole
Japan, because Americans found that Japan was more useful as a staging
point against Soviets rather than anything else. And it suited Japan
fine. It didn't have to account for its past, and now that it suits
to start seemingly expansionist military, it's fine to as long as it
suits to Japan.
min10011
In short, you have no evidence of Koreans using racist terms except in
extreme cases (nutcases) like Leolee and Y. Park.
USA
Yes I'm glad that we agree on this.
> And it suited Japan
> fine. It didn't have to account for its past, and now that it suits
> to start seemingly expansionist military, it's fine to as long as it
> suits to Japan.
This is where you are speculating and throwing your anti-japanese racism
into the mix.
At the end of WWII Japan was completely devastated and absolutely at the
mercy of
the United States. Frankly, I don't believe Japan would have cared one way
or the other
whether it had to account for anything or not. The fact is that the Tokyo
War Crimes trials
were held and number of people were found guilty and sentenced to death.
There were many
Japanese who blamed these people as well as theformer Japanes military for
the devastation
brought on because of the war. Officially, Japan did account for everything.
It is merely an
unfortunate circumstance that not "everyone" was included. For example China
was represented
by the Nationalists under Chiang Kai Shek. This is one of the reasons that
PROC today which represents
China feels that it never had any say or recourse against Japan.
But all this really doesn't have much to do with the current upgrading of
the military in Japan.
From 1945 until now Japan has resisted all efforts, even those of the United
States, to upgrade
their military. It took the provactive launching of a missle over Japan in
1998 by North Korea
to start turning public sentiment around and ther current nuclear stand-off
and continous NKorean
threats to get the government moving.
USA
Could you provide of list of Korean Nutcases who poost in here?
min10011
According to your logic the term "wae" cannot be racist since it is
indigenous.
> Could you provide of list of Korean Nutcases who poost in here?
Don't try to change the subject. You have no evidence of Koreans using
racist terms.
Kay
Huh? Wasn't Hirohito the Emperor of Japan?
Isn't the Emperor supposed to be the head of
the state? Did Japan commite war crimes?
If so, the head of the state is one of the
people, if not the one, who committed crime?
Criminal is one who committed a crime.
Criminal is not one who the USA says he is one.
>And all that has nothing to do with what;s going on in Japan now or it's
>decision to send
>JSDF troops to Iraq.
>If you feel you must have ONE reason for all that is happening it is...K
>im
>Jong iL.
What's Kim Jong Il got to do with the subject
of the topic: Iraq?
You must be a secret admirer of Kim since
everything you say eventually leads to him.
Don't you think you are overdoing your hate
business?
USA
Come on, don't play stupid. If anyone copied every message written by
Supertech and Y,Park alone
you know you'd see nothing but racist diatribe against Japanese.
Are you going to try and exempt them from having to behave like normasl
people because
they are "nutcases" in your opinion?
They are Koreans, and I don't see a single Korean telling them to knock off
the racist crap.
What does THAT tell you?
USA
"Kay" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in message
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Yes he was.
> Isn't the Emperor supposed to be the head of
> the state?
Yes he is "supposed" to be. The history of Japan shows thats for the
majority of her history
that has not been the actual case.
Did Japan commite war crimes?
You can't try an entire nation, therefore, did certain members of the
Imperial Japanese Forces
commit war crimes? The answer is yes.
> If so, the head of the state is one of the
> people, if not the one, who committed crime?
>
Yes, Emperor Hirohito was prepared to take the full responsibilty of all the
actions
taken by Japan and her military. He made this clear to Gen. MacArther.
> Criminal is one who committed a crime.
> Criminal is not one who the USA says he is one.
>
Well that's where you couldn't be more wrong. The USA decided NOT to even
charge Hirohito, instead finding the government officials (cabinet members,
ministers) including the infamous General Hideki Tojo guilty. Most of them
got the death sentence.
> >And all that has nothing to do with what;s going on in Japan now or it's
> >decision to send JSDF troops to Iraq.
> >If you feel you must have ONE reason for all that is happening it is...K
> >im Jong iL.
>
> What's Kim Jong Il got to do with the subject
> of the topic: Iraq?
> You must be a secret admirer of Kim since
> everything you say eventually leads to him.
> Don't you think you are overdoing your hate
> business?
Kay, you really let me down today. Although I think you are a liberal retard
at least you're usually
not this far out in left field.
The decision by Japan to send military forces to Iraq, albeit in a
non-combatant role, is a very big deal for Japan because
of it's constituition which prohibits the use of military force to be used.
Specifically it is article 9 of the post-war
Japanese constitution which was drafted by a team of 7 Washington Lawyers
and forced down the throats of
the Japanese at the end of WWII by the United States.
In June of 1950 when your best friends decided to cross the 38th parallel
and march onto Seoul, the US realized
that it had made a big mistake in disarming Japan so thoroughly.
The US pushed for the formation of a para-military police, the forerunner of
today's Japan Self Defense Forces,
effectivly the current Japanedse military forces.
The US wanted to enlist Japan in the fight against the global communist
menace but Japan, having suffered
from WWII refused rto go along. Gen MacArthur did succeed however in using
former Japanese Imperial
Navy minesweepers in ther Korean War.
And so for some 50 years Japan remained vehemently anti-militaristic. This
created quite a problem with the
US in the 1980s when Americans felt that Japan was simply too economically
powerful and successful not
be shouldering her own military costs. It also became an issue in the first
Persian Gulf War of 1991 when Japan
refused to send troops to join the coalition and opted instead to contribute
money. And so the Japanese populace,
safe under the nuclear umbrella of the US-Japan Mutual Defense Treaty
remained very anti-war....until your
idol decided to shoot a Taepongdong over Japan withouit warning in 1998.
Japan's attitude has changed overnight, suddenly feeling theatened when
after 50 years even China did not threaten
them. So here we are talking about Japan sending troops overseas and how
your favorite person with the sunglasses
and pompadour manged to accomplish what the US has tried to accomplish
unsuccesfully, and what the PROC has tried
to prevent for the last 50 some odd years.
Now....don't you feel like a retarded monkey gabbing about "hate" when you
don't have enough knowledge
to make the connection?
Kay
>
>
>"min10011" <min1...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>Come on, don't play stupid. If anyone copied every message written by
>Supertech and Y,Park alone
>you know you'd see nothing but racist diatribe against Japanese.
>Are you going to try and exempt them from having to behave like normasl
>people because
>they are "nutcases" in your opinion?
>They are Koreans, and I don't see a single Korean telling them to knock
>off
>the racist crap.
>What does THAT tell you?
You are a racist. You another American, whose name
escapes me, use racist terms.
Yet, I don't see a single American telling
you to knock off the racist crap. Does that
mean all Americans are racists?
Two can play the game, you know.
USA
Oh? I use racist terms?? Did I ever call you a gook? Or a chink? or a jap?
I haven't have I?
Which explains why no American has told me shut up.
I call you a retarded monkey, which you are. Is that racist too???
Kay
>
>
>"Kay" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in message
>news:9cyHa.186$vC1.1...@news.uswest.net...
>> In article <b78Ha.4492$Uj1....@nwrdny02.gnilink.net>, U...@aol.com say
>s...
>> >And what the hell is your rant suppose to mean?
In other words, Hirohito knew that he was guilty
of the crime and he ought to. Although the
day-to-day activities were responsibility of
the prime minister (Dojo, was it?), Hirohito
is still responsible as the emperor. At least
he had the sense and I commend him for that.
So, MacArther decided not to lay blame on him
for political reasons and you say Hirohito was
not a war crime! You can do better than that.
If a guy is guilty, he is guilty regardless of
whether he was charged for the crime he committed.
It's like this. You walk down the back alley of,
say LA or NY. A guy suddenly appears, robs you
and beat the hell out of you. A press charge
and for whatever reasons you decide to drop the
charge; maybe the guy turned out to be a
conservative white and you figure a conservative
white cannot be a crime. Or, maybe he is a
member of your church. Maybe he is a Bush
supporter. Anyway, the point is that you decided
not to press charge.
Question: Is he legally guilty?
Answer: No.
Question: Is guilty?
Answer: Yes. He robbed you and beat you. Of course,
he is guilty.
Your response above is the reason why I keep
saying you believe in American Imperialism.
That's how the past empires operated and you
support it!
This is not knocking the US; I don't believe
the US is an empire nor do I believe that it
should be. It is knocking your small mind
that is full of hatred imperialism.
>> >And all that has nothing to do with what;s going on in Japan now or i
>t's
>> >decision to send JSDF troops to Iraq.
>> >If you feel you must have ONE reason for all that is happening it is.
>..K
>> >im Jong iL.
>>
>> What's Kim Jong Il got to do with the subject
>> of the topic: Iraq?
>> You must be a secret admirer of Kim since
>> everything you say eventually leads to him.
>> Don't you think you are overdoing your hate
>> business?
>
>Kay, you really let me down today.
Good. I am happy to hear that. I keep
trying!
>Although I think you are a liberal
Thank you for your complement. I am proud
of being a liberal and progressive. I am
proud to be able to support progressive
ideas such as anti-racism, fairness to all,
and democratic reform, which obviously
you are against.
>The decision by Japan to send military forces to Iraq,
I cannot go through all your endless harangue
but I can sense where you are going. So, I
will cut the rope here and respond. With all
that nonsense, you did not address anything
about what Kim Jong Il has got to do with what
we are discussing. We all know that you are
obsessed with Kim. However, we would greatly
appreciate it if you do not bring him in unless the
topic is related to him, at least indirectly. We are
sick and tired of his antics that we do not wish to
hear of him unless we are talking about something
at least remotely related to him. Since you seem
to be hard of hearing, I will spell out the instances we
wish not to talk about him. (DWS)
1) When we are having Chrismas dinner
2) When we talk about baseball unless Kim is a great pitcher, which I
doubt
3) When we talk about "Computerbility Theory"
4) When we talk about the consequences of General Relativity.
There is a place for everything but not
everything has to be in one place. Don't
tell me you talk about Kim in your bed with
your wife. Wait, maybe you do.
USA
Maybe yes and maybe no. Perhaps we will never know for sure now
since Hirohito is long dead.
Japanese history is rife with military rulers dictating policy and
effectvely "forcing the
Emperor's authorization" to give them legitimacy. This may have been the
case, or
Hirohito himself may have been in on it all along.
>
> So, MacArther decided not to lay blame on him
> for political reasons and you say Hirohito was
> not a war crime! You can do better than that.
> If a guy is guilty, he is guilty regardless of
> whether he was charged for the crime he committed.
>
> It's like this. You walk down the back alley of,
> say LA or NY. A guy suddenly appears, robs you
> and beat the hell out of you. A press charge
> and for whatever reasons you decide to drop the
> charge; maybe the guy turned out to be a
> conservative white and you figure a conservative
> white cannot be a crime. Or, maybe he is a
> member of your church. Maybe he is a Bush
> supporter. Anyway, the point is that you decided
> not to press charge.
>
> Question: Is he legally guilty?
> Answer: No.
> Question: Is guilty?
> Answer: Yes. He robbed you and beat you. Of course,
> he is guilty.
>
According to me he is guilty in fact, even though not legally.
What if he denies his guilt?
Then nothing has been proven.
His "guilt" becomes nothing more than my opinion.
> Your response above is the reason why I keep
> saying you believe in American Imperialism.
> That's how the past empires operated and you
> support it!
>
I wasn't around in 1945 Kay. I had no part in the US role in the Tokyo War
Crimes Trials.
I had no part in the US cover-up of IJA bioweapons research in Harbin China
during the war.
So don't blame for for things that happened before I was born.
Kay you have just shown yourself to be a cowardly retarded monkey.
IF you read what I wrote, then there would be NO QUESTION as to
why your FAVORITE PERSON Kim Jong iL has EVERYTHING to
do with this topic.
So I see that when faced with the truth...you simply stick your head in the
sand...
Pathetic Kay. I expected better from you.
With all
> that nonsense, you did not address anything
> about what Kim Jong Il has got to do with what
> we are discussing. We all know that you are
> obsessed with Kim. However, we would greatly
> appreciate it if you do not bring him in unless the
> topic is related to him, at least indirectly. We are
> sick and tired of his antics that we do not wish to
> hear of him unless we are talking about something
> at least remotely related to him. Since you seem
> to be hard of hearing, I will spell out the instances we
> wish not to talk about him. (DWS)
>
> 1) When we are having Chrismas dinner
> 2) When we talk about baseball unless Kim is a great pitcher, which I
> doubt
> 3) When we talk about "Computerbility Theory"
> 4) When we talk about the consequences of General Relativity.
>
> There is a place for everything but not
> everything has to be in one place. Don't
> tell me you talk about Kim in your bed with
> your wife. Wait, maybe you do.
You had the time to write all this nonsense, but no time to read what I
wrote.
Sure Kay....your credibility is zero...
Kay
says...
Yes, you have.
>Which explains why no American has told me shut up.
Apparenlty, Americans on this board are sensible
enough to know that you are a nutcase, which you
have "articulated" yourself very well.
>I call you a retarded monkey, which you are. Is that racist too???
No, that is not racist word. You are proving how
fuerile you are, 45-year old child, that is.
USA
YOU ARE A DAMNED LIAR!!
Show me where I ever called you any of those three names.
> >Which explains why no American has told me shut up.
>
> Apparenlty, Americans on this board are sensible
> enough to know that you are a nutcase, which you
> have "articulated" yourself very well.
>
A retarded monkey is no position to call anyone a nutcase.
> >I call you a retarded monkey, which you are. Is that racist too???
>
> No, that is not racist word. You are proving how
> fuerile you are, 45-year old child, that is.
It's Puerile you lying retarded monkey.
Kay
>YOU ARE A DAMNED LIAR!!
>Show me where I ever called you any of those three names.
Didn't say you called me by those names.
You can't because I have never in my life
used those terms.
I said you called Koreans in racist terms
and racist stereo types.
Austin P. So (Hae Jin)
> > Criminal is one who committed a crime.
> > Criminal is not one who the USA says he is one.
> >
> Well that's where you couldn't be more wrong. The USA decided NOT to even
> charge Hirohito, instead finding the government officials (cabinet
members,
> ministers) including the infamous General Hideki Tojo guilty. Most of them
> got the death sentence.
Are you saying that *only* if someone is charged they are criminally
responsible? Please.
So tell me...if the UN war crimes tribunal says that someone is a "war
criminal", then would you abide by that decision?
Similarly, if an UN committee was set up to investigate charges of war
crimes, would you agree with the findings of that committee as being valid?
Think about that and then look at the following:
http://www.korea-np.co.jp/pk/153th_issue/2000122304.htm
Austin
USA
QUOTE
"Kay" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in message
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> In article <oAGHa.3704$kB3....@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>, U...@aol.com
> says...
>Oh? I use racist terms?? Did I ever call you a gook? Or a chink? or a ja
>p?>I haven't have I?
Yes, you have.
UNQUOTE
KAY...YES YOU DID SAY THAT. LOOK AT IT.
HOW CAN YOU NOW SAY "DIDN'T SAY YOU CALLED ME THOSE NAMES"???
What is wrong with your brain? How can you you just deny what you said?
I Don't mind arguing with people who have a different opinion, but I can't
be
bothered to argue with people who persistently lie and attribute things to
me that I never said.
You are just a fucking retard who shouldn't be allowed to go near a working
keyboard.
USA
"Austin P. So (Hae Jin)" <hae...@netinfo.ubc.ca> wrote in message
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> "USA" <U...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> > > Criminal is one who committed a crime.
> > > Criminal is not one who the USA says he is one.
> > >
> > Well that's where you couldn't be more wrong. The USA decided NOT to
even
> > charge Hirohito, instead finding the government officials (cabinet
> members,
> > ministers) including the infamous General Hideki Tojo guilty. Most of
them
> > got the death sentence.
>
> Are you saying that *only* if someone is charged they are criminally
> responsible? Please.
>
they?
If a persoin is charged and convicted then he is a...... criminal.
If a person is charged and not yet tried he is........ innocent.
If a person is charged and and found "not guilty" then he is..... innocent.
If a person is not charged....well..what do you think?
> So tell me...if the UN war crimes tribunal says that someone is a "war
> criminal", then would you abide by that decision?
>
If he has been tried and convicted yes.
But unlike you, the UN knows what these words mean. so until a person is
tried and convicted,
they use the label "war crimes suspect".
> Similarly, if an UN committee was set up to investigate charges of war
> crimes, would you agree with the findings of that committee as being
valid?
>
Of course I would find the findings valid, but that isn't the same as a
trial.
An investigation doesn't determine guilt, it merely uncovers the necessary
information to determine
if the case warrants going to trial to reach a verdict.
> Think about that and then look at the following:
> http://www.korea-np.co.jp/pk/153th_issue/2000122304.htm
>
Not sure what the relevance of this is to what we are discussing.
This is not a trial and it has nothing to do with any governmental or
intergovernmental authority.
In other words, it is a rambling of the prosection without any participation
of defense.
So this information could presumably be used as part of a government or
intergovernment
investigation or even a trial, but by itself it doesn't legally hang a
"criminal" label around anyone's neck.
USA
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> Austin
This web sitre is nothing but North Korean propaganda.
I'm not surprised YOU read it.
Kay
>
>
>"Kay" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in message
>news:NDRHa.117$6p1.1...@news.uswest.net...
>> In article <IqNHa.2549$Uh2....@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>, U...@aol.com say
>s...
>>
>> >YOU ARE A DAMNED LIAR!!
>> >Show me where I ever called you any of those three names.
>>
>> Didn't say you called me by those names.
>> You can't because I have never in my life
>> used those terms.
>>
>> I said you called Koreans in racist terms
>> and racist stereo types.
>>
>
>
>QUOTE
>
>"Kay" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in message
>news:_kLHa.291$Ma2....@news.uswest.net...
>om
>> says...
>
>>Oh? I use racist terms?? Did I ever call you a gook? Or a chink? or a j
>a
>>p?>I haven't have I?
>
>Yes, you have.
>
>UNQUOTE
>
>KAY...YES YOU DID SAY THAT. LOOK AT IT.
>HOW CAN YOU NOW SAY "DIDN'T SAY YOU CALLED ME THOSE NAMES"???
>
>What is wrong with your brain? How can you you just deny what you said?
>I Don't mind arguing with people who have a different opinion, but I can
>'t
>be
>bothered to argue with people who persistently lie and attribute things
>to
>me that I never said.
>You are just a fucking retard who shouldn't be allowed to go near a work
>ing
>keyboard.
Sky is falling, sky is falling! (DWS)
USA
Kay
>
>
>"Austin P. So (Hae Jin)" <hae...@netinfo.ubc.ca> wrote in message
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>This web sitre is nothing but North Korean propaganda.
Right, you should only quote KKK sites as USA does.
Here is the link:
http://www.americanknights.com/
USA
Not happy accusing me of being a racist?
Now accusing me of being KKK?
You are a basket case.
Kay
>
> <grun...@msn.com> wrote in message
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>> k...@ivebeenframed.com (Kaz) wrote in message
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>> > Deputy Secretary of State, Richard Lee Armitage visiting Japan said
>> > today as "Japan should get out from the stand and come down to
>> > the ground, doesn't have to be a pitcher or a catcher, but should play
>> > baseball". I really think we should this time in Iraq. At least as a
>> > outfielder or a pinch hitter. No matter whether it's a battle or not,
>> > our force should be sent to Iraq. And then after Iraq, we should kick
>> > the silly little dictator pointing nuclear missile to us out of his
>> > starving land. And we should save people starving, trying to get flesh
>> > of human.
>>
>> Japan as America's lap dog, as usual.
>
> Japan can be trusted as a US Ally.
> I have doubts about South Korea.
>
> USA
You said you trusted South Korea before. Now, you imply
you cannot trust them. Did you just lie or
did you lie before or did you lie both times?
Kay
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>
> "The Count" <vl...@impaler.com> wrote in message
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> I believe that the US government's official position regarding going
> to war with Iraq was
> that they had 26 "allies" of which 4 put troops on the ground in Iraq.
> I think you are mistaking the security council opposition as the whole
> span of countries
> in the world.
Out of 26 allies, how many were intimidated to be allies
and how many were bought? Turkey comes to mind.
USA
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Nope no need to Lie, like you Kay.
The only reason I have my doubts about South Korea is because of
KIM JONG iL LOVERS AND NORTH KOREA APOLOGISTS like you.
But ultimately my dear retarded monkey, I think people like you are a
minority.
The South Korean government is acting far more prudently than I had
expected.
At least they are not filled with communist brainless morons like you.
Kay
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>
> "Kay" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:NDRHa.117$6p1.1...@news.uswest.net...
>> In article <IqNHa.2549$Uh2....@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>, U...@aol.com
>> says...
> You are just a fucking retard who shouldn't be allowed to go near a
> working keyboard.
I just love it when you rant like the above.
And you say you don't behave like a juvenile?
Keep doing it!
USA
Why don't you tell us oh America-Hating genius.
And why does Turkey come to mind?
They didn't permit US ground forces to enter Iraq from Turkey.
USA
It's cheaper than feeding you bananas you retarded monkey
Austin P. So (Hae Jin)
> > Think about that and then look at the following:
> > http://www.korea-np.co.jp/pk/153th_issue/2000122304.htm
> This web sitre is nothing but North Korean propaganda.
> I'm not surprised YOU read it.
Riiiight.
This document created by the UN panel is according to you North Korean
propaganda.
I see.
Austin
Austin P. So (Hae Jin)
> > Think about that and then look at the following:
> > http://www.korea-np.co.jp/pk/153th_issue/2000122304.htm
> >
> Not sure what the relevance of this is to what we are discussing.
> This is not a trial and it has nothing to do with any governmental or
> intergovernmental authority.
> In other words, it is a rambling of the prosection without any
participation
> of defense.
> So this information could presumably be used as part of a government or
> intergovernment
> investigation or even a trial, but by itself it doesn't legally hang a
> "criminal" label around anyone's neck.
This was about the guilt of Hirohito.
Clearly you did not carefully read this site and I wonder if you even
understand the concept of being tried "in absentia"?
As far as this particular commission having any legal weight, you are right
it does not.
However, Hashimoto's government found it necessary to present legal
documents to this commission, so there was active participation by the
Japanese government in this commission, symbolic as this trial was. And this
commission found Hirohito guilty of crimes against humanity. And contrary to
what you wish to believe, this was not a witchhunt nor was it a plot of
North Koreans. It was an international tribunal sanctioned by the UN to
investigate war crimes allegations against the japanese government of WW2.
Austin
USA
> "USA" <U...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> > > Think about that and then look at the following:
> > > http://www.korea-np.co.jp/pk/153th_issue/2000122304.htm
> > >
> > Not sure what the relevance of this is to what we are discussing.
> > This is not a trial and it has nothing to do with any governmental or
> > intergovernmental authority.
> > In other words, it is a rambling of the prosection without any
> participation
> > of defense.
> > So this information could presumably be used as part of a government or
> > intergovernment
> > investigation or even a trial, but by itself it doesn't legally hang a
> > "criminal" label around anyone's neck.
>
> This was about the guilt of Hirohito.
>
> Clearly you did not carefully read this site and I wonder if you even
> understand the concept of being tried "in absentia"?
>
No I did read it and I found that as an non-governmental and
non-intergovernmental
forum it has no jurisdiction anywhere and whatever it's findings may be
carries no weight
in the real legal world. A forum which is NOT a recognized court can't "try
someone" in
absentia or otherwise. Or put more accurately, it can but no court in he
world is going to
recognize that as a conviction. BTW, did you know that the resulting
judgement from
a trial "in absentia" is nearly impossible to enforce outside the
jurisdiction of that court?
> As far as this particular commission having any legal weight, you are
right
> it does not.
>
Ok we are in agrrement on that point.
> However, Hashimoto's government found it necessary to present legal
> documents to this commission, so there was active participation by the
> Japanese government in this commission, symbolic as this trial was. And
this
> commission found Hirohito guilty of crimes against humanity.
Then I stand corrected that Defense did participate.
Was the defense represented by the Japanese government?
> And contrary to what you wish to believe, this was not a witchhunt nor was
it a plot of
> North Koreans.
You don't know what I wish to believe so I suggest you don't make such
presumptions.
As I have suggested elsewhere, I believe there are others who have claims to
greater damages
than Koreans. That doesn't mean Koreans don't, it simply means there are
others who have
greater claims.
> It was an international tribunal sanctioned by the UN to
> investigate war crimes allegations against the japanese government of WW2.
>
It's fine that it was sanctioned by the UN.
Maybe the reason that it was sanctioned was because the UN knew it would
carry no legal
weight. Who knows?
Here's one I'll throw at you....is Adolph Hitler a War Criminal?
I'm sure we all agree that he is...but do we ever call him one?
Why not?
USA
USA
Austin P. So (Hae Jin)
> Here's one I'll throw at you....is Adolph Hitler a War Criminal?
> I'm sure we all agree that he is...but do we ever call him one?
> Why not?
Ah...I see...
You understand and agree that Hitler was a war criminal despite that fact
that he was not tried under court and therefore under legal terms "guilty"
of war crimes.
By that argument, you also seem to agree that Hirohito may have been a war
criminal, only that because he didn't face a tribunal, didn't face any
charges, and therefore not guilty of war crimes in any legal sense.
In other words, you actually agree with Kay.
Thank you.
Austin
USA
You seem to have missed the point Austin. Or deliberately walked around it.
The fact is we DON'T call or label Adolph Hitler a War Criminal.
Why don't you take a wild guess why we don't.
Same applies for Benito Mussolini.
Kay
says...
What difference does it make whether he
was tred or not?
Hitler was responsible to start the war.
Hitler was responsible for the genocide.
How can you say he is not a war criminal
while you call his generals and ministers
who were found guilty at Nurenberg war crimianls?
It's like cronic arguments of the right wing
Americans who say Clinton is a liar because he
lied under oath but Bush is not because he
lied but not under oath. Lie is a lie is a lie
in my book. If the evidence proves that they
lied, they are both liars.
grun...@msn.com
> > You are right, Hirohito didn't have to get pardon because he wasn't
> > charged with war crime - because Americans didn't want to face whole
> > Japan, because Americans found that Japan was more useful as a staging
> > point against Soviets rather than anything else.
>
> Yes I'm glad that we agree on this.
>
> > And it suited Japan
> > fine. It didn't have to account for its past, and now that it suits
> > to start seemingly expansionist military, it's fine to as long as it
> > suits to Japan.
>
> This is where you are speculating and throwing your anti-japanese racism
> into the mix.
What/where/how anti Japanese racism manifest? Back up where I have
done such and such. I'll explain, clarify, or apologize as appropriate.
People bent on phony accusations must also accord similar, no?
grun...@msn.com
> > fine. It didn't have to account for its past, and now that it suits
> > to start seemingly expansionist military, it's fine to as long as it
> > suits to Japan.
> At the end of WWII Japan was completely devastated and absolutely at the
> mercy of
> the United States. Frankly, I don't believe Japan would have cared one way
> or the other
> whether it had to account for anything or not. The fact is that the Tokyo
> War Crimes trials
> were held and number of people were found guilty and sentenced to death.
> There were many
> Japanese who blamed these people as well as theformer Japanes military for
> the devastation
> brought on because of the war. Officially, Japan did account for everything.
> It is merely an
> unfortunate circumstance that not "everyone" was included. For example China
> was represented
> by the Nationalists under Chiang Kai Shek. This is one of the reasons that
> PROC today which represents
> China feels that it never had any say or recourse against Japan.
> But all this really doesn't have much to do with the current upgrading of
> the military in Japan.
> From 1945 until now Japan has resisted all efforts, even those of the United
> States, to upgrade
Yeah, right. Officially Japan did account for everything. No wonder
you wrote Japan annexed Korea peacefully. Probably, this is the crucial
difference how victims and victimizers see each other.
For one, if Japan did account for everything, how come they only
acknoledged they -Japan government- did engage with so called comfort
women business for their war effort only during 1990s?
Your problem is you are eager to dress up for Japan without looking at
why Koreans really do get riled up.
> their military. It took the provactive launching of a missle over Japan in
> 1998 by North Korea
> to start turning public sentiment around and ther current nuclear stand-off
> and continous NKorean
> threats to get the government moving.
Precisely, a suiting time for Japan to drop the farce of self-defense
force. That's the way goes. A timely chance for Japan to drop self-
defense farce.
If missile over Japan was provocative, how provocative was it upward
of 200,000 so called comfort women who suffered under Japan but
conveniently sweeped under rug? On the same token, just let it pass
50 years, a missile over Japan won't be so provocative after all.
Kay
says...
>
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I never wrote that. I write that the annexation of Korea was peaceful only
in comparison
to the Invasion of China. Furthernore, the discussion was about loss of life
and property.
The retarded Monkey and Master of Misquotes Kay has taken this out of
context and you
have swallowed the bait.
>Probably, this is the crucial
> difference how victims and victimizers see each other.
>
I don't doubt that as a fact, but I don't agree that it applies here.
> For one, if Japan did account for everything, how come they only
> acknoledged they -Japan government- did engage with so called comfort
> women business for their war effort only during 1990s?
>
Society and pressure. It has happened in all democratic countries.
I don't see why Japan should be exampt from this.
> Your problem is you are eager to dress up for Japan without looking at
> why Koreans really do get riled up.
Well thank you for deciding for me what my problem is. I was certain it was
the lack of Korea posters who
could rationally consider what I was saying without speaking from emotion
only.
Face it many Koreans even young ones harbor racist resentment towards the
Japanese, you being a prime
example. Oh I know where it comes from, and I'm not dismissing the reasons.
But it IS a fact.
> > their military. It took the provactive launching of a missle over Japan
in
> > 1998 by North Korea to start turning public sentiment around and ther
current nuclear stand-off
> > and continous NKorean threats to get the government moving.
>
> Precisely, a suiting time for Japan to drop the farce of self-defense
> force. That's the way goes. A timely chance for Japan to drop self-
> defense farce.
>
Suiting Japan??? What do you think? That the Japanese requested North Korea
to start acting belligerently
to justify remilitarization?
> If missile over Japan was provocative, how provocative was it upward
> of 200,000 so called comfort women who suffered under Japan but
> conveniently sweeped under rug? On the same token, just let it pass
> 50 years, a missile over Japan won't be so provocative after all.
That is a pretty silly comparison. The comfort women issue occured during
the reign of the Japanese Empire,
during which time Korea was a Japanese colony, and China was one big
battleground.
The 1998 missle launching was during 60 years of peace.
Only one who harbors hatred for the Japanese could possibly attempt such a
comparison.
USA
USA
Because it has everything to do with the legal
title of War Criminal being hung around someone's neck.
That's all. Nothing else.
> Hitler was responsible to start the war.
> Hitler was responsible for the genocide.
> How can you say he is not a war criminal
> while you call his generals and ministers
> who were found guilty at Nurenberg war crimianls?
>
Yes, many people feel that way.
But that doesn't change the fact that he was never tried and convicted as
one.
This has nothing to do with the way that you, I or millions of people may
"feel".
His generals and ministers were tried, convicted and sentenced as War
Criminals
so I have no qualms about calling them that at all.
> It's like cronic arguments of the right wing
> Americans who say Clinton is a liar because he
> lied under oath but Bush is not because he
> lied but not under oath. Lie is a lie is a lie
> in my book. If the evidence proves that they
> lied, they are both liars.
I don't disagree with you that both are lies. But there is a difference.
One has legal implications and can lead to impeachment
while the other can only piss people off.
If you can not see the difference in your own example, then you will not see
the point concerning the label of War Criminal being applied.
Austin P. So (Hae Jin)
> One has legal implications and can lead to impeachment
> while the other can only piss people off.
> If you can not see the difference in your own example, then you will not
see
> the point concerning the label of War Criminal being applied.
Right...
Go on your merry way and say to Jewish people that Hitler really wasn't a
war
criminal and really wasn't guilty of committing war crimes...
So...while you implicity agree that Hirohito, though not officially tried
and
convicted largely because of the intervention of MacArthur, was complicit in
the war crimes committed by those serving under him, for the sake of
maintaining your "rightness" or preventing the loss of your argument, you
refuse to formally acknowledge him as such so that you can "save face".
No wonder you and shuji get along so famously...
Austin
USA
I guess the point has been lost on you too Austin.
But I think that you really understood what I was saying.
Honestly? I think Hirohito should have been tried.
But that doesn't change my position as regards officially labeling
someone a "criminal" of any kind without being tried.
And for the record I don't get along with Shuji at all, much less
famously.
USA
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I am accusing you of having an anti-japanese attitiude in general because of
the manner in
which you constantly blame Japan even when it doesn't make sense,,, for
example,,,
the US destroyed Japan completely, it's cities, it's industry, everything.
The brought the
Japanese Enpire to its knees and made it accept an unconditional surrender.
They were
in no position to dictate anything. So we wrote them a new constitution and
took apart their
military industrial complex. We made their Emperor denounce his devine
status publically.
Yes..you describe all this as having..."suited Japan".
That is quite frankly...ridiculous. It all suited the United States, period.
grun...@msn.com
> > What/where/how anti Japanese racism manifest? Back up where I have
> > done such and such. I'll explain, clarify, or apologize as appropriate.
> > People bent on phony accusations must also accord similar, no?
>
> I am accusing you of having an anti-japanese attitiude in general because of
> the manner in
> which you constantly blame Japan even when it doesn't make sense,,, for
I constantly blame Japan for what? Also, anti-Japanese attitude is not
similar to anti-Japanese racism, as you have accused me. Quote case(s)
of anti-Japanese racism, as you have accused me.
As for anti-Japanese attitude, again, quote cases. I constantly blame
Japan for what?
Make your case or shut up.
> example,,,
> the US destroyed Japan completely, it's cities, it's industry, everything.
> The brought the
> Japanese Enpire to its knees and made it accept an unconditional surrender.
> They were
> in no position to dictate anything. So we wrote them a new constitution and
> took apart their
> military industrial complex. We made their Emperor denounce his devine
> status publically.
> Yes..you describe all this as having..."suited Japan".
> That is quite frankly...ridiculous. It all suited the United States, period.
It all suited the United States. So, what is your point?
USA
<grun...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:5ba2f89c.03062...@posting.google.com...
>
> Make your case or shut up.
>
> It all suited the United States. So, what is your point?
YOU SAID:
> > And it suited Japan
> > fine. It didn't have to account for its past, and now that it suits
> > to start seemingly expansionist military, it's fine to as long as it
> > suits to Japan.
There's your point you idiot.
Case made, now get lost you idiot.
grun...@msn.com
> <grun...@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:5ba2f89c.03062...@posting.google.com...
> >
> > Make your case or shut up.
> >
>
> > It all suited the United States. So, what is your point?
>
> YOU SAID:
>
> And it suited Japan
> fine. It didn't have to account for its past, and now that it suits
> to start seemingly expansionist military, it's fine to as long as it
> suits to Japan.
Is this what you call anti-Japanese racism, or is this what you call
anti-Japanese attitude? Make your case.
It is a simple fact that Japan didn't account for its past. For example,
what did Japan do about semi-slavery forced laborers who toiled under
Japan? In constrast to Germany, Japan didn't do a thing about it. Again,
the fact is that Japan didn't fully account for its past.
Then, I am talking about certain facts about Japan's past wrongs. Is this
anti-Japanese racism or is this anti-Japanese attitude? Make your case.
> There's your point you idiot.
> Case made, now get lost you idiot.
First, you didn't make no case whatsoever. You don't even define what is
an anti-Japanese racism, or an anti-Japanese attitude. I am talking about
facts. Categorize the facts (Japan's past wrongs that Japan didn't account
fully to this day) I am talking about.
Second, you have used words like moron against me in other thread without
any justification whatsoever. Here, you call me an idiot. For what reason?
If you don't have better things to write, just be gone. Soc.culture.korean
has seen trolls in the past and it doesn't need another one now.
USA
about
Japan "suiting itself" when they were iun noi such position to do so
is patently ridiculous ot tained by a anti-japanese racist bias.
> Second, you have used words like moron against me in other thread without
> any justification whatsoever. Here, you call me an idiot. For what
reason?
> If you don't have better things to write, just be gone. Soc.culture.korea
n
> has seen trolls in the past and it doesn't need another one now.
I called you an idiot because you could not see that I criticized you for
saying "suited Japan"
then gave you reasons why it actually "suited the US" and your only response
to that
was "It all suited the United States. So, what is your point?".
That is idiotic.
grun...@msn.com
> > First, you didn't make no case whatsoever. You don't even define what is
> > an anti-Japanese racism, or an anti-Japanese attitude. I am talking about
> > facts. Categorize the facts (Japan's past wrongs that Japan didn't
> account
> > fully to this day) I am talking about.
> >
> Japan not accounting for past actions is one thing, but to start talking
> about
> Japan "suiting itself" when they were iun noi such position to do so
> is patently ridiculous ot tained by a anti-japanese racist bias.
So, now you concede Japan has not been accounting for past deeds?
Japan's been hiding behind pacifist constitution bestow by Americans.
Period. Hirohito's role as head of state, forbidden to make political
statments in just one example. One of reasons offered by Japan as to
why Hirohito never apologized for things Japan has done to Korea (under
Hirohito's name), is that Hirohito is prohibited to make political
statments. Yes, indeed, it suits Japan.
If these facts are anti-Japan racism, as you wrote, then what you call
your usage of words like moron, idiot, etc? Proactive ignorance?
> > Second, you have used words like moron against me in other thread without
> > any justification whatsoever. Here, you call me an idiot. For what
> reason?
> > If you don't have better things to write, just be gone. Soc.culture.korea
> n
> > has seen trolls in the past and it doesn't need another one now.
>
> I called you an idiot because you could not see that I criticized you for
> saying "suited Japan"
> then gave you reasons why it actually "suited the US" and your only response
> to that
> was "It all suited the United States. So, what is your point?".
> That is idiotic.
You mean you are really a girlsish lumberjack? No, actually, what I
meant to say is, what of "suited Japan" makes you tickle? Do you concede
Japan has not been fully accounting for its past? Do you have any idea
what are issues Korea/Koreans have with Japan? If you do, can you enumerate
few issues here so that I know I am talking with a person who knows the
topic. THis way, we'll have in open what you do or don't know and/or
concede, and then we'll have starting point. It's better first stablish
certain facts instead of talking to a hot aired "suited Japan" tickle.
Makoto Taniguchi
First off, Japanese people don't need Korean people to speak for us.
Second, stop posting shit in the god damn fj.soc.politics newsgroup.
grun...@msn.com
> > You mean you are really a girlsish lumberjack? No, actually, what I
> > meant to say is, what of "suited Japan" makes you tickle? Do you concede
> > Japan has not been fully accounting for its past? Do you have any idea
> > what are issues Korea/Koreans have with Japan? If you do, can you enumerate
> > few issues here so that I know I am talking with a person who knows the
> > topic. THis way, we'll have in open what you do or don't know and/or
> > concede, and then we'll have starting point. It's better first stablish
> > certain facts instead of talking to a hot aired "suited Japan" tickle.
>
> First off, Japanese people don't need Korean people to speak for us.
> Second, stop posting shit in the god damn fj.soc.politics newsgroup.
I had not realized this was a talk between Korean people and Japanese
people. Actually, that'll be quite a presumption.
I honestly have foggest idea what fj.soc.politics newsgroup is about,
but what I know is that, you, yes you, bartr...@hotmail.com (Makoto
Taniguchi), was not shy to offer few remarks here and there in few
threads. I find it very curious why you get irked up only now.
Anti-Japanese racism is rampant. Won't you want to know?
Makoto Taniguchi
I thought that it was a one time thing, now I clearly see that you're
doing it constantly. That group is ONLY for people who speak Japanese
so obviously you shouldn't be posting any English posts in that group
and yes people DO mind.
shuji matsuda
bartr...@hotmail.com (Makoto Taniguchi) wrote:
:That group is ONLY for people who speak Japanese
:so obviously you shouldn't be posting any English posts in that group
:and yes people DO mind.
You are a newbie in fj.
fj newsgroup is not for Japanese language posts only.
The administrative language of the hierarchy is Japanese. There is no
restriction on the language used in posts of fj, if the posts are on topic.
shuji matsuda
grun...@msn.com (grun...@msn.com) wrote:
:For one, if Japan did account for everything, how come they only
:acknoledged they -Japan government- did engage with so called comfort
:women business for their war effort only during 1990s?
For one thing, Japan did and will not account "everything."
What Japan did is to resolve the claims. According to the accompanying
document of1965 ROK-JPN treaty, which were ratified by both STATES
states that all calims from both sides including property, rights or
benefits which arose before the signatory date (Jun 22 1965) including the calims
of citizens of a contracting STATE against citizens of the other STATE
that arose before that date (Jun 22 1965) were finally and completely
resolved and no longer negotiable. Based on this, Japan gave $300
million to ROK (article 1). This is the reason why Japan resolved all claims
arose before Jun 22 1965. (article 2)
If ROK does not agree with the current situation, ROK can take the
diplomatic procedure written in the ratified document, which ROK has
never done yet. (the same document article 3)
http://www.ioc.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~worldjpn/documents/texts/JPKR/19650622.T9J.html
第二条
１ 両締約国は，両締約国及びその国民（法人を含む。）の財産，権利及び利益並び
に両締約国及びその国民の間の請求権に関する問題が，千九百五十一年九月八日にサ
ン・フランシスコ市で署名された日本国との平和条約第四条（ａ）に規定されたもの
を含めて，完全かつ最終的に解決されたこととなることを確認する。
２ この条の規定は，次のもの（この協定の署名の日までにそれぞれの締約国が執つ
た特別の措置の対象となつたものを除く。）に影響を及ぼすものではない。
（ａ）一方の締約国の国民で千九百四十七年八月十五日からこの協定の署名の日まで
の間に他方の締約国に居住したことがあるものの財産，権利及び利益
（ｂ）一方の締約国及びその国民の財産，権利及び利益であつて千九百四十五年八月
十五日以後における通常の接触の過程において取得され又は他方の締約国の管轄の下
にはいつたもの
３ ２の規定に従うことを条件として，一方の締約国及びその国民の財産，権利及び
利益であつてこの協定の署名の日に他方の締約国の管轄の下にあるものに対する措置
並びに一方の締約国及びその国民の他方の締約国及びその国民に対するすべての請求
権であつて同日以前に生じた事由に基づくものに関しては，いかなる主張もすること
ができないものとする。
第三条
１ この協定の解釈及び実施に関する両締約国の紛争は，まず，外交上の経路を通じ
て解決するものとする。
２ １の規定により解決することができなかつた紛争は，いずれか一方の締約国の政
府が他方の締約国の政府から紛争の仲裁を要請する公文を受領した日から三十日の期
間内に各締約国政府が任命する各一人の仲裁委員と，こうして選定された二人の仲裁
委員が当該期間の後の三十日の期間内に合意する第三の仲裁委員又は当該期間内にそ
の二人の仲裁委員が合意する第三国の政府が指名する第三の仲裁委員との三人の仲裁
委員からなる仲裁委員会に決定のため付託するものとする。ただし，第三の仲裁委員
は，両締約国のうちいずれかの国民であつてはならない。
３ いずれか一方の締約国の政府が当該期間内に仲裁委員を任命しなかつたとき，又
は第三の仲裁委員若しくは第三国について当該期間内に合意されなかつたときは，仲
裁委員会は，両締約国政府のそれぞれが三十日の期間内に選定する国の政府が指名す
る各一人の仲裁委員とそれらの政府が協議により決定する第三国の政府が指名する第
三の仲裁委員をもつて構成されるものとする。
４ 両締約国政府は，この条の規定に基づく仲裁委員会の決定に服するものとする。
grun...@msn.com
> For one thing, Japan did and will not account "everything."
Japan did not for past wrong, much less every wrongs. By using
words like everything, it gives whiff of as if Japan have accounted
for some.
> What Japan did is to resolve the claims. According to the accompanying
> document of1965 ROK-JPN treaty, which were ratified by both STATES
This kind of approach by Japan apologists is exactly why there is
continuous claim that Japan has not account for the past.
Typical case is so called comfort women, which Japan even did not
acknowledge until early 1990s, even that, Japanese government first
stated that so called comfort women were private enterprise, and they
-Japanese government- were mere customers. That is kind of foot dragging
is precisely what makes Japan unapologetic for the past wrongs.
Talking about treaties, why don't you go to talk about Kim DaeJung
government decision to forgo any claims about so called comfort women,
and Japanese courts conveniently refusing law suits?
grun...@msn.com
> If missile over Japan was provocative, how provocative was it upward
> of 200,000 so called comfort women who suffered under Japan but
> conveniently sweeped under rug? On the same token, just let it pass
> 50 years, a missile over Japan won't be so provocative after all.
"USA" <U...@aol.com> wrote in message news:<PN_Ja.789$db5.69...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>...
> That is a pretty silly comparison. The comfort women issue occured during
> the reign of the Japanese Empire,
> during which time Korea was a Japanese colony, and China was one big
> battleground.
> The 1998 missle launching was during 60 years of peace.
> Only one who harbors hatred for the Japanese could possibly attempt such a
> comparison.
Are you implying so called comfort women issue is not as important since
Korea was Japan's colony and China was a battle ground, and that North
Korean rocket over Japan is important because it is peace time?
This is outrageously militaristic and apologetic for Japan's past. If
Japan had not occupied Korea, Korea would not have suffered. If Japan
had not invaded China, there would not have been such battles in China.
With all troubles started by Japan, 50 or years past is the past, and
yet a rocket over Japan is big trouble because Japan is in peace? As
I wrote before, let it pass another 50 years and a silly rocket over
Japan will appear harmless.
grun...@msn.com
> I never wrote that. I write that the annexation of Korea was peaceful only
> in comparison
> to the Invasion of China. Furthernore, the discussion was about loss of life
> and property.
> The retarded Monkey and Master of Misquotes Kay has taken this out of
> context and you
> have swallowed the bait.
so forth?
USA
That depends on who I am deaking with.
With person who simply disagrees with me, hardly ever, even if they use such
words themselves.
With a person, like yourself, who simply can't "grasp" what I am saying and
constantly repeats
the same line over and over again....frequently.
With a complete retard like Kay..who actually RE-WRITES what I said then
attacks it,
as frequently as possible.
Kay
news:5ba2f89c.03062...@posting.google.com:
I can lend USA a hand here. After all,
what are friends for? I pulled out my old
post. I am sure there are lot more but
the following list is quite impressive.
"I'm not making racist posts you piece of shit."
"My calling you a brainless piece of dog shit, which you are,
is profane but not racist."
Go home if you don't like your adopted country you pompous ass.
"Fuck You Kay."
"I KNEW you were a NAZI and Dictator-worshipper!!"
"No Kay...you are the pinheaded retard"
"You are just a fucking retard who shouldn't be allowed to
go near a working keyboard."
"You must look just like Kim Jong iL....fat, short
and ugly, yelling and screaming thinking that you are
"somebody"...Go back to school ya fucking piece of dog shit"
"Look in the mirror RETARDED MONKEY BOY."
"You the left wing liberal AMERICA-HATER
have the Fucking audacity"
"as usual you lying sack of shit,"
"These are accusations that you pulled out of
your retarded ass"
"YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT A RACIST
STATEMENT IS YOU FREAKING IMBECILE."
"No idiot (yes I am calling you a name which is
insulting but accurate) YOU"
"Look in the mirror RETARDED MONKEY BOY."
"That's where your brain is fucked beyond
repair in the first place."
"You are much a fucking retard as Kay. Austin PEE So."
"Don't get so smug you pompous ass."
"My retarded friend, there is absolutely NO COMPARISON"
"You are a pompous ass"
"Good for you retard."
"Yes, you are a fucking retard and a RACIST.
And today especially you are a pompous ass."
"Go back to school ya fucking piece of dog shit"
"You are so full of shit."
"You racist piece of dog crap..."
"No, you worship them. You love to worship
facist dictators. I don't. That's why we are in
disagreement. Haven't you realized that Mrs Sung?"
"And who the hell is Sowa, pee-boy?"
"YOU are the psycho you racist retard."
"You really are one fucking piece of shit on top
of being one of the most rascist retards I have seen in here."
"Oh is THAT what I said??? READ AGAIN FUCKTARD!!"
"HAHAHAHA...how do you know I'm not jewish you idiot?"
---answering someone picturing him as a white American
"Why did you change your name retard?"
"I call you a retarded monkey, which you are. Is that racist too???"
"It's Puerile you lying retarded monkey."
"Now....don't you feel like a retarded monkey gabbing about
"hate" when you don't have enough knowledge
to make the connection?"
"You know.... in your usual semi-retarded way
you've hit the nail on the head Leo."
"Nope...only in your peanut sized retard brain."
"And you squeak like a retarded monkey."
"But now I realize thast you are just a
retarded monkey who can type."
"Oh what's the matter? Cant take foul language you dog
shit eating pencil necked retarded monkey?"
"Kay you retard monkey, I don't deny being foul mouthed."
"Assholes and psychotics like you actually make up things"
"Your game is up pathetic loser."
"More fart noises from the LYING RETARDED MONKEY."
"You have proven that you are simply full of shit,"
"Go back to Pyongyang where you'll be happy.
Or better yet go back to the tree you fell out of."
"But the difference between FUCKING
ASSHOLES like you and me is ..."
No back to the tree you fell out of ASSWIPE.
Wrong again Hoklo.
But you are half monkey.
And you are 100% RACIST DOG SHIT --- to Raymond
Stupidtech...why are YOU SO FUCKING RETARDED????
Kay..you are really psychotic.
Listen you asshole (yes you are an asshole) you're looking for an
argument
where there isn't any. (to grunt)
Maybe you should go learn something before sounding like a pompous jerk.
Stupidtech...why are YOU SO FUCKING RETARDED????
SO DON"T FUCKING USE IT YOU RACIST PIECE OF SHIT!
And you are 100% RACIST DOG SHIT
fucking lunatic
"Ask the CHIINESE what an INVASION
IS YOU MORON!"
"Yes it does fucking moron..what do thjink that they just realized this
NOW????"
"NO YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN..you naive moron."
"What is up YOUR ass you fucking moron?"
"No I never said that, but now YOU did. Idiot."
"You are another FUCKING LIAR."
"There's your point you idiot.
Case made, now get lost you idiot."
I never said that you retard.
Raymond Luxury-Yacht II
And now he has added the word "racist" to many of his recent messages he posted.
grun...@msn.com (grun...@msn.com) wrote in message news:<5ba2f89c.03062...@posting.google.com>...
Raymond Luxury-Yacht II
grun...@msn.com (grun...@msn.com) wrote in message news:<5ba2f89c.03062...@posting.google.com>...
USA
> > If missile over Japan was provocative, how provocative was it upward
> > of 200,000 so called comfort women who suffered under Japan but
> > conveniently sweeped under rug? On the same token, just let it pass
> > 50 years, a missile over Japan won't be so provocative after all.
>
> "USA" <U...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:<PN_Ja.789$db5.69...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>...
> > That is a pretty silly comparison. The comfort women issue occured
during
> > the reign of the Japanese Empire,
> > during which time Korea was a Japanese colony, and China was one big
> > battleground.
> > The 1998 missle launching was during 60 years of peace.
> > Only one who harbors hatred for the Japanese could possibly attempt such
a
> > comparison.
>
> Are you implying so called comfort women issue is not as important since
> Korea was Japan's colony and China was a battle ground, and that North
> Korean rocket over Japan is important because it is peace time?
>
> This is outrageously militaristic and apologetic for Japan's past. If
> Japan had not occupied Korea, Korea would not have suffered.
How do you know? How do you know some other country may not have taken over
Korea?
The Japanese got into Korea to keep the Russians from taking Korea in the
first place in 1904.
> If Japan had not invaded China, there would not have been such battles in
China.
Sure there would. Ever here of Chiang Kai Shek? Or Mao Tse Tung?
> With all troubles started by Japan, 50 or years past is the past,
ALL THE TROUBLES..so definite in you mind.
If you think for a moment that the historical
events of the far east during the period from say 1850 until present day can
all be blamed
on one country alone, then you are an ignorant buffoon.
> and yet a rocket over Japan is big trouble because Japan is in peace? As
> I wrote before, let it pass another 50 years and a silly rocket over
> Japan will appear harmless.
Yes that's right it is big trouble. Do you know why?
It's called the US-Japan Mutual Defense Treaty. Go look it up.
Makoto Taniguchi
Why do you insist on posting every god damn topic on fj.soc.politics?
USA
"Kay" <nos...@nos.com> wrote in message
news:Xns93A8AF18970...@207.225.159.8...
> grun...@msn.com (grun...@msn.com) wrote in
> news:5ba2f89c.03062...@posting.google.com:
>
> > "USA" <U...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:<PN_Ja.789$db5.69...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>...
> >> I never wrote that. I write that the annexation of Korea was peaceful
> >> only in comparison
> >> to the Invasion of China. Furthernore, the discussion was about loss
> >> of life and property.
> >> The retarded Monkey and Master of Misquotes Kay has taken this out of
> >> context and you
> >> have swallowed the bait.
> >
> > In how many posts you use words like moron, idiot, asshole, monkeys,
> > and so forth?
>
> I can lend USA a hand here. After all,
> what are friends for? I pulled out my old
> post. I am sure there are lot more but
> the following list is quite impressive.
>
I will be happy to verify them.
> "I'm not making racist posts you piece of shit."
>
Yes, Kay is a piece of shit and I don't make racist posts.
> "My calling you a brainless piece of dog shit, which you are,
> is profane but not racist."
>
Here Kay couldn't tell the difference between being insulted and being
a victyim of racism.
> Go home if you don't like your adopted country you pompous ass.
>
Absolutely. I still think Kay would be happier in Pyongyang.
> "Fuck You Kay."
>
One straight from the heart. Sometimes simplest is best.
.you are the pinheaded retard"
>
Yes, Kay is indeed a pinheaded retard.
> "You are just a fucking retard who shouldn't be allowed to
> go near a working keyboard."
>
I still stand by this. Especially when Kay takes to RE-WRITING what I wrote,
then attcks it.
I'm pretty sure it's a disorder of some kind.
>dog shit"
>
Anything that Kay writes.Hmm..or maybe I described Kay. I can't remember
now.
> "Look in the mirror RETARDED MONKEY BOY."
>
I admit I was being unkind to all monkeys in the world.
> "You the left wing liberal AMERICA-HATER
> have the Fucking audacity"
>
Yes, Kay is a far far left wing liberal America Hater.
> "as usual you lying sack of shit,"
>
Yes, Kay consistemntly lies.
> "These are accusations that you pulled out of
> your retarded ass"
>
Kay indeed accuses people of being "racists" and "fascists" without any
evidence.
Then when challenged stretches some remote comment to fit it's position.
> "YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT A RACIST
> STATEMENT IS YOU FREAKING IMBECILE."
>
Kay STILL doesn't understand. Kay comeds flying to support obvious racist
trolls
and claims to be "against racism".
> "No idiot (yes I am calling you a name which is
> insulting but accurate) YOU"
>
Yes, Kay is indeed an idiot.
> "Look in the mirror RETARDED MONKEY BOY."
>
Again, I offended the monkeys.
> "That's where your brain is fucked beyond
> repair in the first place."
>
At times I lose all hope that Kay will ever learn to actually "think".
> "You are much a fucking retard as Kay. Austin PEE So."
>
Here, I am addressing Austin, not Kay. And yes, Kay is a fucking retard.
> "Don't get so smug you pompous ass."
>
Kay is without question a pompous ass.
> "My retarded friend, there is absolutely NO COMPARISON"
>
I am not sure who I weas addressing here. It m,ight have been Austin. But I
used the
word "friend" so I question if it was Kay.
> "You are a pompous ass"
>
This is a bit of repeat and should not have been included.
> "Good for you retard."
>
I was priably talking to Kay.
> "Yes, you are a fucking retard and a RACIST.
> And today especially you are a pompous ass."
>
Yes, this definitely has to be Kay.
> "Go back to school ya fucking piece of dog shit"
>
This is with Austin, not Kay. Kay made some claims about his education which
has raised
some doubt in this NG.
> "You are so full of shit."
>
Could be anyone, but probably Kay.
> "You racist piece of dog crap..."
>
Again, could be a certain number of people, but probably Kay.
> "No, you worship them. You love to worship
> facist dictators. I don't. That's why we are in
> disagreement. Haven't you realized that Mrs Sung?"
>
Oh this is a good one. Kay defends Kim Jong iL and his regime's policies,
then calls
me a fascist. This is despite the fact that I never talked about fascists.
> "And who the hell is Sowa, pee-boy?"
>
Austin thinks I am this guy Sowa. He is entitled to believe whatever he
wants.
> "YOU are the psycho you racist retard."
>
Hmmm...nbot sure, but I think it's Kay.
> "You really are one fucking piece of shit on top
> of being one of the most rascist retards I have seen in here."
>
Sounds like Kay.
> "Oh is THAT what I said??? READ AGAIN FUCKTARD!!"
>
This is probably after one of Kay's famous RE-WRITES of what I said.
> "HAHAHAHA...how do you know I'm not jewish you idiot?"
> ---answering someone picturing him as a white American
Here Kay made a mistake as is typical with everything he does.
Someone suggested that I worshipped Hitler.
This was not about being a "white american".
> "Why did you change your name retard?"
This was directed at min10111. Not Kay.
>
> "I call you a retarded monkey, which you are. Is that racist too???"
>
If I said "retarded monkey" there's a 99% chance that I was talking to Kay.
> "It's Puerile you lying retarded monkey."
>
Yup..Kay.
> "Now....don't you feel like a retarded monkey gabbing about
> "hate" when you don't have enough knowledge
> to make the connection?"
>
Kay again.
> "You know.... in your usual semi-retarded way
> you've hit the nail on the head Leo."
>
This one is for Leo...the chinese-hating psychotic.
> "Nope...only in your peanut sized retard brain."
>
Hmmm..can't be sure about this one. Proably Kay.
> "And you squeak like a retarded monkey."
> "But now I realize thast you are just a
> retarded monkey who can type."
> "Oh what's the matter? Cant take foul language you dog
> shit eating pencil necked retarded monkey?"
> "Kay you retard monkey, I don't deny being foul mouthed."
>
The above are directed at Kay.
> "Assholes and psychotics like you actually make up things"
> "Your game is up pathetic loser."
Not sure who I said these to.
> "More fart noises from the LYING RETARDED MONKEY."
>
> "You have proven that you are simply full of shit,"
>
> "Go back to Pyongyang where you'll be happy.
> Or better yet go back to the tree you fell out of."
>
> "But the difference between FUCKING
> ASSHOLES like you and me is ..."
>
> No back to the tree you fell out of ASSWIPE.
>
> Wrong again Hoklo.
> But you are half monkey.
>
Ahh Hoklo Taiwanese....that was my reply to his "YOU ARE HALF JAP"
remark. Did you notice the racikst term he used Kay? Did you tell him to
shut up
since you are "against" racism??? Bet you didn't you liar.
> And you are 100% RACIST DOG SHIT --- to Raymond
>
Rayond IS 100% DOG SHIT...and I'm bering unkind to dog shit.
> Stupidtech...why are YOU SO FUCKING RETARDED????
>
Supertech is known racist and psychotic.
> Kay..you are really psychotic.
>
I was being kind here.
> Listen you asshole (yes you are an asshole) you're looking for an
> argument where there isn't any. (to grunt)
>
Grunt is indeed a racist sphincter.
> Maybe you should go learn something before sounding like a pompous jerk.
>
Could be anyone, but probably Kay.
> Stupidtech...why are YOU SO FUCKING RETARDED????
>
This is repeat and should not have been included.
> SO DON"T FUCKING USE IT YOU RACIST PIECE OF SHIT!
>
Here I am lecturing a RACIST for using a RACIST TERM...such as GOOK, JAP,
CHINK, WHATEVER.
Kay proudly posts this to prove what? Surely Kay must be a racist as well
then.
> And you are 100% RACIST DOG SHIT
>
Again..I am attacking a racist. But Kay finds it offensive. Kay is clearly a
racist.
> fucking lunatic
>
> "Ask the CHIINESE what an INVASION
> IS YOU MORON!"
As ity turns out, Grunt doesn't care about what happened to the Chinese
because he feels that
they are simply not important as Korean people. I'd say that is racism in
anyone's book.
>
> "Yes it does fucking moron..what do thjink that they just realized this
> NOW????"
>
Oh this must be Kay claiming that the Kim Jong iL regime had NO IDEA that
the military-first
policy which called for sacrifices to be made by the populace MIGHT possibly
cause starvation
among the civilians. If you can believe this then you can belive anything.
> "NO YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN..you naive moron."
>
the "wrong again" indicates that I probably said it to Kay.
> "What is up YOUR ass you fucking moron?"
>
Probably to the racist grunt who feels Chinese aren't people worthy of
caring about.
> "No I never said that, but now YOU did. Idiot."
>
Same as above.
> "You are another FUCKING LIAR."
Could be anyone but obviously applieds to Kay.
> "There's your point you idiot.
> Case made, now get lost you idiot."
>
To the racist Grunt.
> I never said that you retard.
>
Probably to grunt for Re-Writing what I said.
OK Kay...I confirmed them all. Are you happy now?
You are still a fucking monkey brained retard but do you feel better?
USA
"Raymond Luxury-Yacht II" <raym...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> Right on , bud.
>
>
Anyanghaseo RASCIST ASSWIPE.
USA
"Raymond Luxury-Yacht II" <raym...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> And now he has added the word "racist" to many of his recent messages he
posted.
>
>
>
And don't top-post jackass
grun...@msn.com
> How do you know? How do you know some other country may not have taken over
> Korea?
> The Japanese got into Korea to keep the Russians from taking Korea in the
> first place in 1904.
Typical Japan apologist continue to show off color. Korea was ripe to
be taken over anyways.
> > If Japan had not invaded China, there would not have been such battles in
> China.
>
> Sure there would. Ever here of Chiang Kai Shek? Or Mao Tse Tung?
And you are using Chinese internal conflicts as an excuse for things
Japan have done?
> ALL THE TROUBLES..so definite in you mind.
> If you think for a moment that the historical
> events of the far east during the period from say 1850 until present day can
> all be blamed
> on one country alone, then you are an ignorant buffoon.
Japan has occupied and pilaged Korea, Korean resources, and Korean
people.
> > and yet a rocket over Japan is big trouble because Japan is in peace? As
> > I wrote before, let it pass another 50 years and a silly rocket over
> > Japan will appear harmless.
>
> Yes that's right it is big trouble. Do you know why?
> It's called the US-Japan Mutual Defense Treaty. Go look it up.
The point of the matter is that, you minimize whatever Japan may
have done because it happened 50 or so years ago. On the same
token, look at North Korean rocket over Japan some 50 years from
now. Will you consider such North Korean rocket over Japan 50 years
from now a harmless exercise?
USA
news:<L%qLa.21476$N%6.1...@nwrdny02.gnilink.net>...
> > How do you know? How do you know some other country may not have taken
over
> > Korea?
> > The Japanese got into Korea to keep the Russians from taking Korea in
the
> > first place in 1904.
>
> Typical Japan apologist continue to show off color. Korea was ripe to
> be taken over anyways.
>
penninsula was
a colonial prize over which nations were at war from the late 1800s onward.
This is
a reality nothing more. Has nothing to do with "apologists".
> > > If Japan had not invaded China, there would not have been such battles
in
> > China.
> >
> > Sure there would. Ever here of Chiang Kai Shek? Or Mao Tse Tung?
>
> And you are using Chinese internal conflicts as an excuse for things
> Japan have done?
>
HAHAHA...of course not. But it is a histrocally irrefutable response to your
absurd statement
that without the Japanese, China would not have been a battlefield.
> > ALL THE TROUBLES..so definite in you mind.
> > If you think for a moment that the historical
> > events of the far east during the period from say 1850 until present day
can
> > all be blamed
> > on one country alone, then you are an ignorant buffoon.
>
> Japan has occupied and pilaged Korea, Korean resources, and Korean
> people.
>
> > > and yet a rocket over Japan is big trouble because Japan is in peace?
As
> > > I wrote before, let it pass another 50 years and a silly rocket over
> > > Japan will appear harmless.
> >
> > Yes that's right it is big trouble. Do you know why?
> > It's called the US-Japan Mutual Defense Treaty. Go look it up.
>
> The point of the matter is that, you minimize whatever Japan may
> have done because it happened 50 or so years ago. On the same
> token, look at North Korean rocket over Japan some 50 years from
> now. Will you consider such North Korean rocket over Japan 50 years
> from now a harmless exercise?
No I am not minimizing anything, but not because it was 50 years ago
but because it was a time period when colonization was rampant and included
WWII, it can
not be compared to firing a missile over abother country in 1998.
In 1910 the US backed Japan's annexation of Korea. Do you think that today,
the US or
any country would support the annexation of one country by another? Of
course not.
And was shooting a missile over Japan without warning, without provocation
truly nothing
more than a "harmless exzcercise"? I think that depends on how things
develop. The US certainly did not
think it was harmless. Certainly the Japanese populace who had been
anti-military up till then didn't.
And if Japan does go all out militarily, we have no one to thank but North
Korea.
Kay
news:L%qLa.21476$N%6.1...@nwrdny02.gnilink.net:
Now, if that is not an imperialistic/colonialistic
statement, I don't know what is.
Let me parphrase you, yes, again. You are essentially saying
that because other nation might have taken over Korea,
Japan was justified for doing so? Not only that, Japan
did a favor to Korea that way so that Russia, France,
Germany, or the US would not? Is that what you are
saying? I will wait for your response with a truck
load of profanity, spinning your own statement that
I misinterpreted your holy statement.
And you are bitching about why Koreans, sans Daniel,
think you are a racist?
Get a grip, child.
>> If Japan had not invaded China, there would not have been such
>> battles in
> China.
>
> Sure there would. Ever here of Chiang Kai Shek? Or Mao Tse Tung?
>
>> With all troubles started by Japan, 50 or years past is the past,
>
> ALL THE TROUBLES..so definite in you mind.
> If you think for a moment that the historical
> events of the far east during the period from say 1850 until present
> day can all be blamed
> on one country alone, then you are an ignorant buffoon.
OK, "knowledgeable" buffoon, Japan cannot be blamed alone.
There were China, Russia, France, Germany, and the US.
They are all to be blamed. Korea herself was also to
be blamed for being such a weak nation.
My college roommate (a Japanese) used to say
in our argument, and he was right.
>> and yet a rocket over Japan is big trouble
>> because Japan is in peace?
>> As I wrote before, let it pass another 50
>> years and a silly rocket
>> over Japan will appear harmless.
>
> Yes that's right it is big trouble.
> Do you know why?
> It's called the US-Japan Mutual Defense
> Treaty. Go look it up.
What? The US living up to treaties?
USA
Of course it is. We are talking about IMPERIALISM and COLONIALISM from the
1800s into
the early 1900s. Also, it is a question, not a statement.
>
> Let me parphrase you, yes, again. You are essentially saying
> that because other nation might have taken over Korea,
> Japan was justified for doing so? Not only that, Japan
> did a favor to Korea that way so that Russia, France,
> Germany, or the US would not? Is that what you are
> saying? I will wait for your response with a truck
> load of profanity, spinning your own statement that
> I misinterpreted your holy statement.
>
DON'T FUCKING PARAPHRASE WHICH IS TJHE SAME AS RE-WRITING WHAT SOMEONE
SAYS YOU RETARD.
What I am, saying is that Grunt can not know with any degree of certainty
that
"If Japan had not occupied Korea, Korea would not have suffered.". Maybe yes
and Maybe no.
But certainly the historical facts indicate a good probability that the
Koreans may well
have suffered at the hands of some other power if the Japanese had not
annexed it.
This is NOT A JUSTIFICATION. IT is a rebuttal of Grunts statement.
Do you understand?
> And you are bitching about why Koreans, sans Daniel,
> think you are a racist?
> Get a grip, child.
>
The only ones who think I am a racist are those WHO ARE THEMSELVES RACISTS.
YOU of all people are proof of that.
> >> If Japan had not invaded China, there would not have been such
> >> battles in China.
> >
> > Sure there would. Ever here of Chiang Kai Shek? Or Mao Tse Tung?
> >
> >> With all troubles started by Japan, 50 or years past is the past,
> >
> > ALL THE TROUBLES..so definite in you mind.
> > If you think for a moment that the historical
> > events of the far east during the period from say 1850 until present
> > day can all be blamed
> > on one country alone, then you are an ignorant buffoon.
>
> OK, "knowledgeable" buffoon, Japan cannot be blamed alone.
> There were China, Russia, France, Germany, and the US.
> They are all to be blamed. Korea herself was also to
> be blamed for being such a weak nation.
>
Actually YES if you want to blame Korea, which I haven't.
Korea was nothing more than a prize in a colonial game platyed by
colonial powers.
> My college roommate (a Japanese) used to say
> in our argument, and he was right.
>
> >> and yet a rocket over Japan is big trouble
> >> because Japan is in peace?
> >> As I wrote before, let it pass another 50
> >> years and a silly rocket
> >> over Japan will appear harmless.
> >
> > Yes that's right it is big trouble.
> > Do you know why?
> > It's called the US-Japan Mutual Defense
> > Treaty. Go look it up.
>
> What? The US living up to treaties?
Yes, the US does live up to it's treaty obligations.
I know I know....you HATE America and you think America does not.
Fine..but at least will you admit that the United States does uphold its
treaties
if it is in it's own benefit to do so?
Lin Chi
> This is outrageously militaristic and apologetic for Japan's past. If
> Japan had not occupied Korea, Korea would not have suffered. If Japan
> had not invaded China, there would not have been such battles in China.
> With all troubles started by Japan, 50 or years past is the past, and
> yet a rocket over Japan is big trouble because Japan is in peace?
I wouldn't make any comments on your other points, but, to some
extent, I do agree with you that China's trouble started by Japan's
invasion of China (1931~1937~1945). If the Japanese had not pushed
China to the corner to wage a devastating war, the Chinese commies
would have been totally annihilated by 1936~37. It was Japan who
saved the Chinese commies in 1937 and put off China's progress to
democracy and modernization for at least 100 years. In fact, although
not a policy of Japanese government, there were some evidences showing
that some Japanese officers/officials intentionally avoided engaging
the Chinese commies' force in its rear front of north China and east
China, which resulted in commie force's stunning expanding from
barely 30,000 people in 1937 to half million in 1939 and 1.5 million
in 1945. Using those forces, the Chinese commies first grabbed
Manchuria and north/east China and then conquered the whole China in
1949. Why did some Japanese IJA officers violate the anti-commie
order and let the Chinese commies to get fatter? because, especially
after 1941, the Japanese wanted to see a divided and ever-fighting
China by letting the weaker one (the Chinese commies) stronger while
hitting the Chinese government army very hard in that war.
grun...@msn.com
> <grun...@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:5ba2f89c.03062...@posting.google.com...
"USA" <U...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> How do you know? How do you know some other country may not have taken
>over
> Korea?
> The Japanese got into Korea to keep the Russians from taking Korea in
> the
> first place in 1904.
> Typical Japan apologist continue to show off color. Korea was ripe to
> be taken over anyways.
> Typical Korean racist refuses to accept the reality that the Korean
> penninsula was
> a colonial prize over which nations were at war from the late 1800s onward.
> This is
> a reality nothing more. Has nothing to do with "apologists".
This kind of story line is quite familiar. Past Japan apologists in
soc.culture.korean have tried the same: if not for Japan, some other
powerful country might have taken over Korea, so what's big deal.
USA
<grun...@msn.com> wrote in message
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It's not a big deal at all. You are the one who made the bold statement
implying that no other country
would have taken over Korea, if Japan had not at that time.
YOU can't know this, and neither can I.
But based on historical events at that time, there is obviously a high
probabilty that your statement is
dead wrong. Period.
Kay
@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com:
Actually, I don't know where USA is going with the above.
Of course, we have no idea what could've happened,
had Japan not occupied Korea. One doesn't have
to be a genius like you to figure that out.
The following options were possible.
1) It could've been swallowed by Russia
2) It could've been swallowed by China
(doubt it since they had their own problems)
3) It could've been swallowed by France
and today Koreans could be eating
Freedom Fries and Freedom Toasts.
4) It could've been swallowed by the US
and Koreans would be like Puetro Ricans today
5) It could've found a way of wiggling out
and stayed independently like Siam did
What are you suggesting? Earlier you suggested
that Koreans should be thankful to Japan because
they did not let Korea to be taken over by
the likes of Russia or America.
Is that what you mean?
USA
Not at All. GRUNT made a statement that was definitive and absolute. That if
Japan had not
colonized Korea then no other country would have.
My position is that no one knows that, and we all know the kind of colonial
power plays that were
going on at that time in the region.
You Kay, with your list of "possible" things that may have happened, just
supported what
I have been saying.
Thank you.