Why Koreans So Ethnocentric Self-Conscious Racists?
Kaz
Japanese having no attitude against Koreans as "a Korean that happened
to live in Japan". Are the Koreans considering that the Koreans are
the only humanitarians or liberalists, and all Japanese are brutal
imperialists or something?
Does Korean education teach every Korean kid as every Japanese is bad
imperialist or something? Unfortunately it seems to me that Korean
education has been teaching so.
A Daimyo in a cool daimyo costume
service with high prices and it gives japanese people a really bad
stereotype since mostamericans can't tell a korean from a japanese.
Dave Fossett
http://www.jstott.me.uk/norwaymay2002/251.htm
Best not to feed it... ;-)
--
Dave Fossett
Saitama, JAPAN
Kaz
> http://www.jstott.me.uk/norwaymay2002/251.htm
>
> Best not to feed it... ;-)
Supertech
for nothing.
When they teach history in school, it naturally comes up as well as the
generations of folklore about their plundering southern shores of Korea.
First of all, if you read any Korean history book, there is no name Japan.
Their official name was "Wae" meaning "Midgets".
It tells a lot about Korean-Japan relationship in ancient times.
Japan was not a role model for Koreans. Not even in modern times except for
their skillful technology perhaps. Furthermore, hand skill or technology for
that matter,
was not considered a priority of dignity or high class in Chosun dynasty.
Having a little bit early of modern technology doesn't mean anything in
terms of human dignity and pride. In Chosun dynasty, the political power in
military division was highly suppressed, compared to the scholars division,
causing substantial weakness in the national defense.
Skilled engineers were low class people in Chosun dynasty. That explains
their going behind in modern technology. But their cultural and moral
standard was way over any nations in the world.
"Wae" was considered barbarians.
That's why ancient Koreans who left Korea to Japan are always longing to
return to their home land. They can never feel home until they join their
ancestral land and being accepted there as one of equal. You always have the
feeling of being an outcast if you live in Japan as a Korean descendent.
That can be expressed by violence and revenge but such a sentiment can only
be improved by sincere apology and reconciliation for the mistreatment of it
own people by Koreans in ancient times who forced their political enemy to
leave to Japan and also by their sincere apology for plundering the southern
shores of Korean peninsula as well as the recent aggression.
It's hard to explain but Koreans have this God given pride of their race,
probably which came from the spirit of Hun. After all, they are the
descendents of Huns who conquered Europe in 4th century AD. They deserve to
have pride. It's not so much about their aggression but it's their spirit of
adventure to be powerful and large.
If you translate the official name of Korea which is "Dae Hun Min Kuk" it
means
"Great Great People's Nation". Dae means big and powerful in Chinese
character
but Hun also means the same in original Korean dialect.
It's interesting when Chinese people like to call themselves "Chung Wha"
meaning people at the center of the earth. They are pretty much satisfied to
be at the center of the earth and being regarded as such. Such a spirit does
not go over the boundary of their routine.
"Kaz" <k...@ivebeenframed.com> wrote in message
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grun...@msn.com
> Koreans open bad japanese restaurants in North america and offer bad
> service with high prices and it gives japanese people a really bad
> stereotype since mostamericans can't tell a korean from a japanese.
In other words, stupid consumers deserve to promote stupid establishments.
Kaz
> First of all, if you read any Korean history book, there is no name Japan.
> Their official name was "Wae" meaning "Midgets".
<snip>
> Japan was not a role model for Koreans. Not even in modern times except for
> their skillful technology perhaps. Furthermore, hand skill or technology for
> that matter,
<snip>
> Skilled engineers were low class people in Chosun dynasty.
<snip>
> "Wae" was considered barbarians.
Hey Supertech, thank you. You explained all those Korean's despising
attitudes against the Japanese. And that is EXACTLY why I am blaming
the Koreans considering and treating us as "Midget Barbarians of Wae"
as Ethnocentric Self-Conscious Racists. And that's why I'm blaming
Korean education that teaches every Korean kid with such ultra Korean
supremacist and racialist's history book to make every Korean kid to
despise and look down on the Japanese. The Koreans are merely a Nazi
of East Asia.
Nevertheless, we ain't any "Midget Barbarian" and the Koreans have no
right to treat us like slaves.
Wonderer
Chinese). How have the history textbooks been especially "modified" for
educational purposes?
"Kaz" <k...@ivebeenframed.com> wrote in message
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Makoto Taniguchi
> for nothing.
Yeah we know why, because Korea STILL can't get over what happened in
the past. Sure blame the Japanese Gvnmt but why the hell do you want
to blame modern Japanese people? I wasn't the one who went off to war.
> When they teach history in school, it naturally comes up as well as the
> generations of folklore about their plundering southern shores of Korea.
> First of all, if you read any Korean history book, there is no name Japan.
> Their official name was "Wae" meaning "Midgets".
>
That's odd isn't it? the average height in Korea compared to Japan
isn't that different.
> It tells a lot about Korean-Japan relationship in ancient times.
>
Actually, waaay back Japan and Korea were allied and they were
friendly to each other. It wasn't until the war that the Japanese
gvnmt re-educated Japanese people and forced down propaganda upon
them.
> Japan was not a role model for Koreans. Not even in modern times except for
> their skillful technology perhaps. Furthermore, hand skill or technology for
> that matter,
> was not considered a priority of dignity or high class in Chosun dynasty.
>
It should be considered priority, that helped Japan become an economic
giant during the early '90's. Btw, even if we were never role models
to Korea, we seem to be pretty big role models for other countries so
we really don't give a damn.
> Having a little bit early of modern technology doesn't mean anything in
> terms of human dignity and pride. In Chosun dynasty, the political power in
> military division was highly suppressed, compared to the scholars division,
> causing substantial weakness in the national defense.
>
> Skilled engineers were low class people in Chosun dynasty. That explains
> their going behind in modern technology. But their cultural and moral
> standard was way over any nations in the world.
>
> "Wae" was considered barbarians.
>
> That's why ancient Koreans who left Korea to Japan are always longing to
> return to their home land. They can never feel home until they join their
> ancestral land and being accepted there as one of equal. You always have the
> feeling of being an outcast if you live in Japan as a Korean descendent.
> That can be expressed by violence and revenge but such a sentiment can only
> be improved by sincere apology and reconciliation for the mistreatment of it
> own people by Koreans in ancient times who forced their political enemy to
> leave to Japan and also by their sincere apology for plundering the southern
> shores of Korean peninsula as well as the recent aggression.
>
I'm damn sure if I ever visited Korea and if they found out I was
Japanese, they'd do the exact same thing. Face it, it happens
everywhere!
> It's hard to explain but Koreans have this God given pride of their race,
> probably which came from the spirit of Hun. After all, they are the
> descendents of Huns who conquered Europe in 4th century AD. They deserve to
> have pride. It's not so much about their aggression but it's their spirit of
> adventure to be powerful and large.
>
God given pride? That is the dumbest thing I think I've ever heard!
Kaz
> Skilled engineers were low class people in Chosun dynasty. That explains
> their going behind in modern technology. But their cultural and moral
> standard was way over any nations in the world.
That is a typical method of Confucianism. Confucians always look down
on those who work with sweating, such as artisans, and respect those
who have literacy then spend a great deal of their times in their
studies.
The Koreans don't respect craftsmanship while craftsmen are fairly
respected in Japan.
I would damn such sense of Confucianism, though.
Kaz
> Just wondering, what do the Japanese textbooks view the Koreans(and the
Only objective details of history are stated in our text books. No
such subjective thing about Koreans or Chinese is being stated like
the Korean history textbooks containing the racist's expression of
"Midget Barbarians of Wae"
> Chinese). How have the history textbooks been especially "modified" for
> educational purposes?
I'm also wondering why you think our textbooks have been "modified".
I'm not aware about the the whole content of our textbooks much, but I
think they are pretty fair. As far as I know, the only prefectures
adopting those "modified" are Tokyo prefecture and Ehime prefecture.
Just two prefectures out of 47 prefectures adopt those.
Kaz
I think Dave Fossett is really a North Korean spy waiting the
"MangGyonBon" boat coming to Niigata port.
Kay
in North America but high prices? Not at
all. They run bad ones at dirt cheap low
prices. Americans go there in droves only
because they are cheap.
In article <da1d5153.03060...@posting.google.com>,
upyour...@yahoo.com says...
Liberator (formerly known as man_mars)
cool daimyo costume) wrote:
I've been to a number of Korean owned sushi restaurants as well
as Japanese owned ones. The quality of food and service
are about equal.
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possible is knowing the premises of why you believe something is
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"Supertech" <ejo...@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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if you were white you'd be wearing a white pointy had STUPIDTECH
Koreans HAVE NOTHING TO DO with the huns that invaded Europe.
Stop Re-Writing history.
Kay
>
>"Supertech" <ejo...@austin.rr.com> wrote in message news:<s1MEa.119859$u
>i.77...@twister.austin.rr.com>...
>
>> First of all, if you read any Korean history book, there is no name Ja
>pan.
>> Their official name was "Wae" meaning "Midgets".
Supertech, the Korean history books called them
"Wae" in the past in derogatory way. That does
not mean Koreans were superior to the Japanese
but Koreans were childish to call others with
derogatory names. Koreans should be ashamed
of their behavior, not proud of it!
>> Skilled engineers were low class people in Chosun dynasty.
And you are proud of it? Think what Korea would be
today if the Koreans treated skilled engineers in
high regard. You are proud of your ancestors'
shameful behavior!
>Hey Supertech, thank you. You explained all those Korean's despising
>attitudes against the Japanese. And that is EXACTLY why I am blaming
>the Koreans considering and treating us as "Midget Barbarians of Wae"
>as Ethnocentric Self-Conscious Racists. And that's why I'm blaming
>Korean education that teaches every Korean kid with such ultra Korean
>supremacist and racialist's history book to make every Korean kid to
>despise and look down on the Japanese. The Koreans are merely a Nazi
>of East Asia.
kaz, while I cannot condone Koreans' attitude against
Japanese, you and Japanese are equally quilty of the same.
For how long have Japanese despised Koreans? For ages,
Japanese called the Koreans "senjin" in derogative way.
Japanese history books are full of spinning as far as
her relationship with Korea is.
I visited Osaka Castle a few years ago. The exhibit
shows clearly how they were proud of their ransacking
Korean Penninsula during the 6-year war some 400 years
ago.
During the occupation of Korea, they tried their best
to destroy:
Korean history - they disallowed teaching Korean history
Korean language - they disallowed Koreans speaking Korean
Names - they forced change names in Japanese style.
and every which way. My grandfather died in prison for
teaching Korean history, language, and songs to Korean
children.
Only recently the emperor acknolowed his ancestry to Korea,
and the negative reaction by the Japanese like yourself
was disgraceful.
While I am not proud of supertech's rantings, you
are no different from him in essense. It's like
a kettle calling a pot black.
>Nevertheless, we ain't any "Midget Barbarian" and the Koreans have no
>right to treat us like slaves.
No Koreans treat Japanese slaves. "Midget Barbarian"
is a derogatory word used by the likes of supertech.
Nothing to get excited about.
Kaz
> >i.77...@twister.austin.rr.com>...
> >
> >> First of all, if you read any Korean history book, there is no name Ja
> >pan.
> >> Their official name was "Wae" meaning "Midgets".
>
> "Wae" in the past in derogatory way. That does
> not mean Koreans were superior to the Japanese
> but Koreans were childish to call others with
> derogatory names. Koreans should be ashamed
> of their behavior, not proud of it!
>
>
> today if the Koreans treated skilled engineers in
> high regard. You are proud of your ancestors'
> shameful behavior!
>
> >attitudes against the Japanese. And that is EXACTLY why I am blaming
> >the Koreans considering and treating us as "Midget Barbarians of Wae"
> >as Ethnocentric Self-Conscious Racists. And that's why I'm blaming
> >Korean education that teaches every Korean kid with such ultra Korean
> >supremacist and racialist's history book to make every Korean kid to
> >despise and look down on the Japanese. The Koreans are merely a Nazi
> >of East Asia.
>
> Japanese, you and Japanese are equally quilty of the same.
> For how long have Japanese despised Koreans? For ages,
> Japanese called the Koreans "senjin" in derogative way.
You accuse me but it's wrong. I had not been despising them until I
found out the fact that Koreans extremely despise us a few month ago.
As a matter of fact, I didn't know the term "senjin" until recently.
Nobody around here uses that term. Actually I first heard the term
from a guy from Kobe in fj.soc.politics about a year ago. He called me
"senjin". I'm from Amagasaki that is in the same prefecture with Kobe
but those two cities are diametrically different. Amagasaki is an old
castle town that a Tokugawa's vassalage was the clan of it, and the
Tokugawa side including Amagasaki was the enemy of Satsuma and Choshu
clans that had built the pseudo-Western imperial Tokyo regime of
Meiji. So the people in Kobe, which is a city that the Meiji regime
had built, still extremely look down on us just because we are not
westernized. They claim we are a kind of Koreans just because we are
traditional Japanese that belong to Asian civilization thus the Kobe
guy despised me as "senjin". Tokugawa side clans are very friendly to
Korea. Amagasaki clan was the one that held the receptions of Korean
messengers to welcome in Osaka in the Edo Era. Also Tokugawa shogunate
is the one that ruined the ugly Hideyoshi who had invaded Korea. Osaka
had been under control of Tokugawa, not by ugly Hideyoshi's
descendants. Those Kobe folks despise us because we were friendly to
Korea. So I have no obligation for being blamed about calling Koreans
as "senjin".
Actually, I think those terms are only used in Kobe and Tokyo.
That is a completely unfamiliar word to me at all.
> Japanese history books are full of spinning as far as
> her relationship with Korea is.
Blame it to Kobe or Tokyo, not me.
> I visited Osaka Castle a few years ago. The exhibit
> shows clearly how they were proud of their ransacking
> Korean Penninsula during the 6-year war some 400 years
> ago.
But Hideyoshi had already ruined by Tokugawa soon after that. And
please don't say like Osakans are proud of Hideyoshi because no Osakan
cares about that kind of things today. Osakans only care about money.
Osakans at that period were also the victims of Hideyoshi. They had
been forced to move to a new town Osaka from Sakai. And of course we
Amagasaki folks don't like Hideyoshi because his boss Nobunaga also
acted atrocities in here. Nobunaga had slaughtered many people here.
> During the occupation of Korea, they tried their best
> to destroy:
> Korean history - they disallowed teaching Korean history
> Korean language - they disallowed Koreans speaking Korean
> Names - they forced change names in Japanese style.
> and every which way. My grandfather died in prison for
> teaching Korean history, language, and songs to Korean
> children.
>
> Only recently the emperor acknolowed his ancestry to Korea,
But don't blame him. The emperors after the Meiji era were just some
doll of imperial Tokyo regime that Satsuma and Choshu had built. They
are actually pathetic. They weren't allowed to speak about their
ancestries by the imperial Tokyo regime.
> and the negative reaction by the Japanese like yourself
> was disgraceful.
Because I don't like Koreans who are extremely offensive to us, are
extremely despising us. What's wrong with it? Why can't I have any
right to dislike them while Koreans are hating me and us like hell ?
> While I am not proud of supertech's rantings, you
> are no different from him in essense. It's like
> a kettle calling a pot black.
>
> >Nevertheless, we ain't any "Midget Barbarian" and the Koreans have no
> >right to treat us like slaves.
>
> No Koreans treat Japanese slaves. "Midget Barbarian"
It's not true. Many ethnic Koreans in Kansai are assholes treating the
Japanese as slaves. They insist that they are "sangokujin" and they
are the winners of the war, then treat us like slaves violently.
> is a derogatory word used by the likes of supertech.
> Nothing to get excited about.
Offensive Korans all look like Kim Jong Il to me, though.
Kaz
> In article <365fcc52.0306...@posting.google.com>, k...@ivebeenframed.com says...
> For how long have Japanese despised Koreans? For ages,
> Japanese called the Koreans "senjin" in derogative way.
I forgot to mention. I think calling Koreans as that is pretty fair
since Koreans are also calling us with the derogative term as
"joppari" for centuries ever since the ancient times.
Lin Chi
Also, Koreans seem to love to fake their origins in order to
be considered related to those militarily mighty "Kiba" tribes
from "Central Asia" or Mongolia by the world, it's very hilarious,
hahahahah.
Kay
>uswest.net...
>> In article <365fcc52.0306...@posting.google.com>, kaz@ivebe
>enframed.com says...
>
>> Supertech, the Korean history books called them
>> "Wae" in the past in derogatory way. That does
>> not mean Koreans were superior to the Japanese
>> but Koreans were childish to call others with
>> derogatory names. Koreans should be ashamed
>> of their behavior, not proud of it!
>>
>> >> Skilled engineers were low class people in Chosun dynasty.
>>
>> And you are proud of it? Think what Korea would be
>> today if the Koreans treated skilled engineers in
>> high regard. You are proud of your ancestors'
>> shameful behavior!
>>
>> >Hey Supertech, thank you. You explained all those Korean's despising
>> >attitudes against the Japanese. And that is EXACTLY why I am blaming
>> >the Koreans considering and treating us as "Midget Barbarians of Wae"
>> >as Ethnocentric Self-Conscious Racists. And that's why I'm blaming
>> >Korean education that teaches every Korean kid with such ultra Korean
>> >supremacist and racialist's history book to make every Korean kid to
>> >despise and look down on the Japanese. The Koreans are merely a Nazi
>> >of East Asia.
>>
>> kaz, while I cannot condone Koreans' attitude against
>> For how long have Japanese despised Koreans? For ages,
>> Japanese called the Koreans "senjin" in derogative way.
>
>You accuse me but it's wrong. I had not been despising them until I
>found out the fact that Koreans extremely despise us a few month ago.
Everything has to be looked upon from historical
perspective. Historically, Japanese has been
bothering the southern border incessantly. In
Hideyoshi's case, he ransacked the entire nation for
6+ years. From 1910 to 1945, Japan did some very
evil thing to Korea. I hope you are not in denial
of this historical fact. My family is a victim of
that ordeal. My grandfater died because of imprisonment;
My mother lost my eldest brother because she also was
imprisoned right after he was born. What was her sin?
She taught some Korean songs and Korean history.
Therefore, it is natural that many Koreans feel ill of Japan.
After all, Koreans are no saint, and as you point out, far from it.
Almost 60 years have passed since the last atrocity.
It's about time Koreans and Japanese put those past
behind and work toward building the future. I have
and I have more reasons to hate Japan than most Koreans.
I certainly have more reasons than Japanese like yourself
hating Koreans because you met a few Koreans like supertech.
That is as shallow as one can be.
I have no ill feelings toward the Japanese unless I run into one
who still think Koreans are inferior to them only because
they are Koreans. But then I cannot condone white
Americans doing the same to the blacks and Israelis
doing it to the palestanians.
Yet, many Koreans are still weary of Japan, which they
have right to. They are downright hostile toward
the Japanese, which, in my opinion, is downright
childish. The situation would improve if Japan
recognizes their "sin" in the past and promote harmony
with Korea. Yet, only recently, they publicly recognized
this. When the emperor mentioned his Korean heritage,
there were many Japanese who were quite angry about it.
Why? Why is it shameful of truth? These things
reinforce Koreans' hatred of Japanese.
Yet, you refuse to understand the background and try
to deal with only the present. There is no present
without the past. While lingering in the past is not
good, so is ignoring it. The fact is that this is what makes
many Japanese to still look upon
Koreans as something less than human. This is a fact.
I have a sister-in-law who is married to a Japanese.
What bothers her is just about every time they go into a
"fight," he brings up this issue that Koreans are inferior
to Japanese. It drives her crazy and the fight gets worse.
The fact is she is a lot smarter than he.
I don't think this is an isolated incident.
>As a matter of fact, I didn't know the term "senjin" until recently.
That's what I mean. You don't even know the past and
you don't understand the root of Korean hatred of Japanese.
Yet, you have the audacity to criticize Koreans.
>descendants. Those Kobe folks despise us because we were friendly to
>Korea. So I have no obligation for being blamed about calling Koreans
>as "senjin".
I was not blaming you. I was talking about generic
Japanese. As long as Japanese has this attitude,
Korean hatred of Japanese will remain. You cannot
ask Korean behave saintly when Japanese behave like boors.
>Actually, I think those terms are only used in Kobe and Tokyo.
>That is a completely unfamiliar word to me at all.
>
>> Japanese history books are full of spinning as far as
>> her relationship with Korea is.
>
>Blame it to Kobe or Tokyo, not me.
You are also to be blamed because you refuse to
understand the historical background behind all this hatred.
>> I visited Osaka Castle a few years ago. The exhibit
>> shows clearly how they were proud of their ransacking
>> Korean Peninsula during the 6-year war some 400 years
>> ago.
>
>But Hideyoshi had already ruined by Tokugawa soon after that. And
>please don't say like Osakans are proud of Hideyoshi because no Osakan
>cares about that kind of things today. Osakans only care about money.
I am not talking about what Hideyoshi did or Tokugawa undid.
I am talking about what's exhibited in the castle.
Often, those things reflect the citizens' wishes.
Either that, people form their opinions based on
what they read and see. As long as Japanese see the
painted picture of the history, they will continuously
think they are at no fault. Therefore, when a Korea
mentions such atrocity, they will automatically
deny it just as you are doing. History should be
taught truthfully, not from a Japanese point of view
or Korean point of view.
>> During the occupation of Korea, they tried their best
>> to destroy:
>> Korean history - they disallowed teaching Korean history
>> Korean language - they disallowed Koreans speaking Korean
>> Names - they forced change names in Japanese style.
>> and every which way. My grandfather died in prison for
>> teaching Korean history, language, and songs to Korean
>> children.
>>
>> Only recently the emperor acknowledged his ancestry to Korea,
>
>But don't blame him. The emperors after the Meiji era were just some
>doll of imperial Tokyo regime that Satsuma and Choshu had built. They
>are actually pathetic. They weren't allowed to speak about their
>ancestries by the imperial Tokyo regime.
I did not blame him. I lauds him for what he did.
I blame the Japanese rightwing who condemn the
emperor for it, though.
>> and the negative reaction by the Japanese like yourself
>> was disgraceful.
>
>Because I don't like Koreans who are extremely offensive to us, are
>extremely despising us. What's wrong with it? Why can't I have any
>right to dislike them while Koreans are hating me and us like hell ?
Read what I said. If the emperor said he had Korean
lineage and that is a fact, what purpose does it serve
to deny that? Just because you dislike some Koreans,
you deny the history? Is it childish or reactionary?
Take your pick. You have every right to dislike
anybody but you have no right to deny historical fact.
If you deny it, you only show your immature bias.
>> While I am not proud of supertech's ranting, you
>> are no different from him in essence. It's like
>> a kettle calling a pot black.
I still stand by what I said above until you prove me otherwise.
>> >Nevertheless, we ain't any "Midget Barbarian" and the Koreans have no
>> >right to treat us like slaves.
>>
>> No Koreans treat Japanese slaves. "Midget Barbarian"
>
>It's not true. Many ethnic Koreans in Kansai are assholes treating the
>Japanese as slaves. They insist that they are "sangokujin" and they
>are the winners of the war, then treat us like slaves violently.
I still stand by what I said. Koreans do not treat
Japanese like slaves. Koreans do not have such power,
especially in Japan. There may be a few Koreans who
might attempt but I assure you there are many more
Japanese who treat Koreans in Japan like slaves.
As a matter of fact, many Koreans in Japan are there
because the Japanese government drafted them out of
Korea to use them for slave labor. Again, learn
history, not from slanted Japanese history books.
>> is a derogatory word used by the likes of supertech.
>> Nothing to get excited about.
>
>Offensive Korans all look like Kim Jong Il to me, though.
There are offensive Koreans and there are good Koreans.
There are offensive Japanese and there are good Japanese
but you have not convinced me you belong to the latter
group. Try me; I am open-minded.
Kay
>
>"Kay" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:Qk2Fa.18$6W4.31935@news.
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>> In article <365fcc52.0306...@posting.google.com>, kaz@ivebe
>
>> For how long have Japanese despised Koreans? For ages,
>> Japanese called the Koreans "senjin" in derogative way.
>
>I forgot to mention. I think calling Koreans as that is pretty fair
>since Koreans are also calling us with the derogative term as
>"joppari" for centuries ever since the ancient times.
My friend, There is nothing fair about this.
Two wrongs do not make it right. Koreans calling
Japanese "jokpari" is wrong. Japanese calling
Koreans "senjin" is also wrong. Both are wrong, amigo.
USA
Did you ever notice that it's the Korean posters, not all mind you, who are
always going
on about the "japs" and "wae" and hating them?
Have you noticed that there are never any japanese posters doing the same
thing
towards koreans?
USA
Kay
It appears that way. Koreans and Americans
seem to be the guilty ones.
Kaz
Those who despise Koreans are merely some people in Kobe and Tokyo.
The rest of the Japanese don't care whatever one's nationality is
while every Koreans despises and hates every Japanese severely. And
you are missing this big point. I dislike Koreans because they are
extremely racists against the Japanese. If they don't hate us, I
wouldn't have started to dislike them. The Japanese are not paying
much attention to Koreans of just one ethnic.
If Koreans behave good to us, no one would dislike them. We are tired
of those Koreans ranting like "every jap is barbarian" things
constantly, just like their obligation of their daily life. Do you
know that Tokyo and Kobe folks are claiming me to be Korean just
because I'm a Kansaijin and wasn't such a racist against Koreans? You
are blaming a wrong person. I want to remind you that not every
Japanese are having same sense, same opinion, same prejudice.
USA
No....I'd say the Koreans are the guilty ones. Unless of course you include
the Korean-Americans.
The Americans who display racism are usually just obvious trolls.
USA
Kay
>
>
>"Kay" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in message
>news:49bFa.65$P9.1...@news.uswest.net...
>> In article <8V8Fa.19259$b8.1...@nwrdny03.gnilink.net>, U...@aol.com
>says...
>> >
>> >
>> >"Kay" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in message
>> >news:oW6Fa.55$6W4....@news.uswest.net...
>> >> In article <365fcc52.03060...@posting.google.com>,
>> >> k...@ivebeenframed.com says...
>> >> >
>> >> >"Kay" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:Qk2Fa.18$6W4.31935
>@ne
>> >ws.
>> >> >uswest.net...
>> >> >> In article <365fcc52.0306...@posting.google.com>, kaz
>@iv
>> >ebe
>> >Did you ever notice that it's the Korean posters, not all mind you, w
>ho
>> >are
>> >always going
>> >on about the "japs" and "wae" and hating them?
>> >Have you noticed that there are never any japanese posters doing the
>sam
>> >e
>> >thing
>> >towards koreans?
>> >
>> >USA
>>
>> It appears that way. Koreans and Americans
>> seem to be the guilty ones.
>
>No....I'd say the Koreans are the guilty ones.
>Unless of course you include the Korean-Americans.
>The Americans who display racism are usually
>just obvious trolls.
>
>USA
Actually, I was thinking of Americans like yourself.
It is very interesting how your racism shows
subtly. What you are saying is that when a Korean
uses racist slurs or other undesirable words,
all Koreans are like that, but when an American does
it, it is an exception because s/he is a troll.
Now, that has to be a sign of ultimate racism,
wouldn't you say?
Kay
>swest.net>...
>> In article <365fcc52.03060...@posting.google.com>,
>> k...@ivebeenframed.com says...
>> >
>> >> For how long have Japanese despised Koreans? For ages,
>> >> Japanese called the Koreans "senjin" in derogative way.
>> >
>> >I forgot to mention. I think calling Koreans as that is pretty fair
>> >since Koreans are also calling us with the derogative term as
>> >"joppari" for centuries ever since the ancient times.
>>
>> My friend, There is nothing fair about this.
>> Two wrongs do not make it right. Koreans calling
>> Japanese "jokpari" is wrong. Japanese calling
>> Koreans "senjin" is also wrong. Both are wrong, amigo.
>Those who despise Koreans are merely some people in Kobe and Tokyo.
>The rest of the Japanese don't care whatever one's nationality is
>while every Koreans despises and hates every Japanese severely. And
>you are missing this big point. I dislike Koreans because they are
>extremely racists against the Japanese. If they don't hate us, I
>wouldn't have started to dislike them. The Japanese are not paying
>much attention to Koreans of just one ethnic.
Are you related to Mr. USA? You seem to apply
one standard to Koreans and one standard to
Japanese just like Mr. USA does for Koreans and
Americans. Let me try to turn around your argument.
Is it possible that Koreans hate Japanese because
Japanese treat Koreans like some kind of savages?
Do you realize that while there are Koreans who hate
Japanese, there are others who do not? Do you
realize how dangerous it is to generalize based on
what Leo lee is saying? Leo Lee is only one of
60 million Koreans. You say every Korean despises
Japanese. I am a Korean and I do not hate Japanese.
One of my brother-in-law is a Japanese but I do not
hate him despite the fact that he thinks Koreans
are inferior to Japanese.
>We are tired
>of those Koreans ranting like "every jap is barbarian" things
>constantly, just like their obligation of their daily life.
Koreans are probably tired of hearing Japanese acting like
they are the kings of Asia and think Koreans are inferior.
>Do you
>know that Tokyo and Kobe folks are claiming me to be Korean just
>because I'm a Kansaijin and wasn't such a racist against Koreans?
No, I didn't know it. But then you are just contradicting
yourself. Just a few lines ago you said Japanese don't hate
Koreans. Yet, the above statement strongly indicate that
Tokyo and Kobe folks do. I have thought all along that
Tokyo and Kobe are in Japan and therefore, the inhabitants
of those cities are Japanese. What are you getting at?
>You are blaming a wrong person. I want to remind you that not every
>Japanese are having same sense, same opinion, same prejudice.
Let me remind you that not every Koreans have same sense, same
opinion and same prejudice. Not everybody is supertech or Leo Lee.
You said earlier:
"I think calling Koreans as that is pretty fair
since Koreans are also calling us with the derogative term as
"joppari" for centuries ever since the ancient times."
That is the lamest excuse I have seen. If Koreans call Japanese
in derogatory names, that is bad. We all know that. If
Japanese call Koreans in a derogatory way, that does not
justify it. It only makes Japanese equally bad. As an old
saying goes, "The hut is calling the out-house stinky."
Besides, if Japanese are so superior, they should behave
better than Koreans. If they behave the same boorish way,
where does the Japanese superiority come from?
Keep in mind I have never defended Korean boorishness.
I admit that many are. I am merely offended by your defense
of equally objectionable Japanese boorishness and effort
to put the blame solely on Korean shoulder. That is really bad.
USA
white american troll
is like. They come in, say something outrageously racist and leave.
Those are racist trolls and they differ from the racism displayed by some
koreans who are
regular posters.
Also read this part again since you obviously missed it;
"Did you ever notice that it's the Korean posters, not all mind you, who are
always going on about the "japs" and "wae" and hating them?"
DO YOU KNOW WHAT "NOT ALL" MEANS???
If so how can you say this??
"What you are saying is that when a Korean uses racist slurs or other
undesirable words,
all Koreans are like that,"
You rteally really need to learn to read ENGLISH. Or do you consider that a
racist remark too?
So prove to me that I am a racist, other than you and every Kim Jong iL
worshipper accusing me of
being one ourt of desperation because they can't logically defend North
Korea's practices or behavior.
USA
Kay
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>
> "Kay" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:YDtFa.71$P15....@news.uswest.net...
>> In article <PskFa.55474$ca5....@nwrdny02.gnilink.net>, U...@aol.com
> says...
>> >
>> >
>> >"Kay" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in message
>> >> It appears that way. Koreans and Americans
>> >> seem to be the guilty ones.
>> >
>> >No....I'd say the Koreans are the guilty ones.
>> >Unless of course you include the Korean-Americans.
>> >The Americans who display racism are usually
>> >just obvious trolls.
>> >
>> >USA
>>
>> Actually, I was thinking of Americans like yourself.
>>
>> It is very interesting how your racism shows
>> subtly. What you are saying is that when a Korean
>> uses racist slurs or other undesirable words,
>> all Koreans are like that, but when an American does
>> it, it is an exception because s/he is a troll.
>>
>> Now, that has to be a sign of ultimate racism,
>> wouldn't you say?
>>
> Not at all. You obviously havenm't been here long
> enough to know what a white american troll is like.
> They come in, say something outrageously racist and leave.
> Those are racist trolls and they differ from the
> racism displayed by some koreans who are
> regular posters.
Whether they are regulars or transients, if they
make racist statements and act like racists, they
are racists. That you are singling out transients
and brush them aside and saying that only Koreans
are racists is a clear signal that you are a
chauvinistic racist. Living in America,
I have encountered numerous racists. Don't tell me
only Koreans make racist comments. You cannot
deny the fact. Reminds you I did admit that
there are many Korean American racists. But then
there are Korean racists and Japanese racists, as well.
> Also read this part again since you obviously missed it;
> "Did you ever notice that it's the Korean posters, not all mind you,
> who are always going on about the "japs" and "wae" and hating them?"
> DO YOU KNOW WHAT "NOT ALL" MEANS???
> If so how can you say this??
Easy. "not all mind you," implies "most."
When one speaks of "redneck," that does not mean
100%. When one says Americans are such and such,
that does not mean 100% of Americans. When you
say Japanese are hard-working people, that does not
mean that all Japanese are hardworking people. However,
if one says, "Japanese are hardworking people, remind
you not all," the implication is that most Japanese
are hard-working people.
Perhaps, you should learn to understand English before
you preach me to learn to read.
When you generalize Koreans the way you did signifies
your racism. The fact is I come in and out of this
newsgroup. I come in to see whether there is interesting
things to read about Korea. I go out when I get to read
disgusting profanity-ridden posts and name-calling, the
kind you do. Whenever I come in, I see a lot of profanity
and racial slur, mostly by the Americans and Korean-
Americans. That is a fact and you are trying to spin it
to suit your American Chauvinism. That, in my book, is
racism.
You've made racial slurs in other posts. However, usenet
is not my life and I don't keep
track of all posts by everybody. If you are curious,
search them yourself. But then, you are so prejudiced
I doubt you will see the light even if you see it.
Better yet, prove to me that you are not racist.
> "What you are saying is that when a Korean uses racist slurs or other
> undesirable words,
> all Koreans are like that,"
>
> You rteally really need to learn to read ENGLISH. Or do you consider
> that a racist remark too?
Read my comment above.
> So prove to me that I am a racist,
I have.
> other than you and every Kim Jong
> iL worshipper accusing me of
> being one ourt of desperation because they can't logically defend
> North Korea's practices or behavior.
I wish someday you will learn to read posts in proper
perspective and debate intelligently. Even a drone
can learn that art.
I have never been Kim Jong Il worshipper and don't
call me like that. I was just pointing out your
Chauvinistic way of criticizing Kim without much proof.
All I want is to see the nation united without blood.
Is that too much asking? Don't try to put words in my mouth!
I repeat, I don't worship Kim Join Ill and I don't even like him.
If you keep doing that, I will have to start putting words
in your mouth. I think your hero is Adolph Hitler and
Joseph Stalin. Only worshipers of Hitler and Stalin would
say stupid things like you do.
USA
"Kay" <nos...@nos.com> wrote in message
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I never did you fucking retard. But ther fact remains that far far more
Korean posters
display raciusm with their use of "jap" amd "wae" than Japanese posters
saying "gook" or "asako".
THAT is what we were talking about. Check all the posts and count them
yourself.
>Reminds you I did admit that
> there are many Korean American racists. But then
> there are Korean racists and Japanese racists, as well.
>
> > Also read this part again since you obviously missed it;
> > "Did you ever notice that it's the Korean posters, not all mind you,
> > who are always going on about the "japs" and "wae" and hating them?"
> > DO YOU KNOW WHAT "NOT ALL" MEANS???
> > If so how can you say this??
>
> Easy. "not all mind you," implies "most."
You asccused me of saying "All". Look here, these are YOUR words:
"What you are saying is that when a Korean uses racist slurs or other
undesirable words, all Koreans are like that,"
The words "all" and "most" are not interchangable.
> Perhaps, you should learn to understand English before
> you preach me to learn to read.
Considering the extent of English reading comprehension you just displayed
with the
above, a comment like that coming from you is complete joke.
> > So prove to me that I am a racist,
>
> I have.
>
No you haven't.The only thing that you have proiven is that you are here
with an Agenda, an agenda filled with hate
for America, a hate stronger than any negative feeling you may have for
North Korea and her atrocities.
A hate so strong that you will go out of your way to deny the evils of tyhe
Kim Jong iL regime, to close
your eyes to the suffering of the North Korea people.
You are unable to support any of your contentions so you resort to name
calling, twisting words, making
false allegations and calling anyone who is not Korean a "racist".
Which by your own lijme of reasoning proves what a RACIST YOU ARE!
> I have never been Kim Jong Il worshipper and don't
> call me like that. I was just pointing out your
> Chauvinistic way of criticizing Kim without much proof.
> All I want is to see the nation united without blood.
> Is that too much asking? Don't try to put words in my mouth!
> I repeat, I don't worship Kim Join Ill and I don't even like him.
>
But you Hate America more, don't you?
That's why you DEFEND North Korea even though you have nothiung to support
your defense
except to call me a names.
> If you keep doing that, I will have to start putting words
> in your mouth. I think your hero is Adolph Hitler and
> Joseph Stalin. Only worshipers of Hitler and Stalin would
> say stupid things like you do.
No, you worship them. You love to worship facist dictators. I don't.
That's why we are in disagreement. Haven't you realized that Mrs Sung?
USA
The Count
> Did you ever notice that it's the Korean posters, not all mind you, who are
> always going
> on about the "japs" and "wae" and hating them?
> Have you noticed that there are never any japanese posters doing the same
> thing
> towards koreans?
>
> USA
Maybe it's because they have no reason to! Have Koreans ever invaded japan?
Raped japanese? Destroy japanese lives? and rewrite history to cover up all
of these evil acts?
The Count
has no clue about how people outside of his ethinicity REALLY feel about each
other as well as Americans. His incessant debating and input in these groups
truly reaveals a lot about American paranoia and ignorance to the happennings
of the world.
The Count
the culture and identity of the very people he talks about. It's funny to see
how passionate he is about Korean and japanese politics and people, not
realizing that he's always going to be a tourist.
Will Smith
>
> Keep in mind I have never defended Korean boorishness.
> I admit that many are. I am merely offended by your defense
> of equally objectionable Japanese boorishness and effort
> to put the blame solely on Korean shoulder. That is really bad.
Kay,
I've been reading your responses and I applaud your maturity and
patience. But you're wasting your time. Really in the large scheme
of things rivalry and hatred between the two countries can be argued
to be counterproductive. But when you look at the large scheme of
things it hardly matters. The truth of the matter is both countries
suffer from inferiority complex. Japan with the US, and Korea with
Japan. Funny thing though that both are second fiddles when it comes
to China in the region, and China is second fiddle to the US. Japan
doesn't even figure from a geopolitical standpoint. Its only power is
economic and because of its incestuous banking and business culture it
is slowly imploding right now. Its really all jockeying for who is
the third wheel in a race between two countries that are not even
placed to finish.
Its all laughable. As to the title of this thread, both countries are
reknowned for their xenophobia, and racist derived drive for racial
purity. Its quite like the pot calling the kettle black.
USA
"The Count" <vl...@impaler.com> wrote in message
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The Count is a typical Korean-American whose parents worked very hard in
their grocery to
put him in college so he could become a success in American Society. His
parents knew that
the North Korean communists were evil, and that here in America being an
Asian-American
he would have to work twice as hard as his white friends to succeed.
But unfortunately Count squandered the tuition by engaging in the partying,
forgetting that he was
neither white nor black in this country. So he spent his time writing
pointless things on the usenet,
the only place where he felt safe among other Korean-Americans who had also
lost the convictions
of their parents and elders, as well as their own true identities.
Little did Count realize that no matter how good his English was, he was
going to be always seen as
an "oriental" by all Americans. And the Koreans in Korea would see him as an
"American".
In effect he is a "nobody" who neither fully understands the culture of his
parents nor the culture in which
he exists.
USA
Nice try but that's not true. Racism towards Koreans in Japan was pretty
heavy among the older
generations. But the younger generation who listen to BoA on the radio and
go eat Bulgogi in the
restaurants harbor no such feelings towards Koreans, from Hanguk to be
exact.
North Korea is an entirely different matter for obvious reasons.
So how do we explain why YOUNG Koreans are racist towards the Japanese but
that
YOUNG Japanese are NOT racist towards Koreans?
The Count
> Nice try but that's not true. Racism towards Koreans in Japan was
> pretty heavy among the older generations. But the younger generation
> who listen to BoA on the radio and go eat Bulgogi in the restaurants
> harbor no such feelings towards Koreans, from Hanguk to be exact.
> North Korea is an entirely different matter for obvious reasons. So
> how do we explain why YOUNG Koreans are racist towards the Japanese
> but that YOUNG Japanese are NOT racist towards Koreans?
Obviously you have no idea about what you are talking about. Many young
Koreans both here in America and Korea, who have learned anything about
their own history do not like japanese. Some outright hate them.
That's because they are taught the TRUTH about history, not just from
textbooks but first-hand horror stories from their grandparents.
Young japanese have no gripe with Koreans because:
1. they do not have such first-hand knowledge.
2. their revisionist government likes to erase and cover up the facts.
USA
>
> > Nice try but that's not true. Racism towards Koreans in Japan was
> > pretty heavy among the older generations. But the younger generation
> > who listen to BoA on the radio and go eat Bulgogi in the restaurants
> > harbor no such feelings towards Koreans, from Hanguk to be exact.
> > North Korea is an entirely different matter for obvious reasons. So
> > how do we explain why YOUNG Koreans are racist towards the Japanese
> > but that YOUNG Japanese are NOT racist towards Koreans?
>
>
> Obviously you have no idea about what you are talking about.
Why? What aspect of what I said above is wrong?
I didn't pretend to explain why, I merely "asked" why.
So how does that translate to "not having any idea about what I am talking
about"?
> Many young
> Koreans both here in America and Korea, who have learned anything about
> their own history do not like japanese. Some outright hate them.
> That's because they are taught the TRUTH about history, not just from
> textbooks but first-hand horror stories from their grandparents.
>
Yes, hatred passed on from one generation to the next.
It's a real beauty of a thing to watch.
> Young japanese have no gripe with Koreans because:
> 1. they do not have such first-hand knowledge.
> 2. their revisionist government likes to erase and cover up the facts.
Perhaps that's true, but what YOU know nothing about is the difference in
racist attitude
in Japan between the older and younger generatuons.
I have lived there. Have you?
I have Japanese friends, do you?
What do YOU know?
Frankly I think the young Japanese are far less prone to racism towards
anyone, korean or
otherwise, than their older generations.
The Count
> Perhaps that's true, but what YOU know nothing about is the difference
> in racist attitude in Japan between the older and younger generatuons.
> I have lived there. Have you?
> I have Japanese friends, do you?
> What do YOU know?
> Frankly I think the young Japanese are far less prone to racism
> towards anyone, korean or otherwise, than their older generations.
No I haven't lived in japan, but I have experienced what you are talking
about here in America. I have a japanese friend who has a grandfather
who is a surviving kamikaze pilot from WWII - a total hate monger who is
still pro-emperor. She is actually studying Korean language and culture
and totally understands how her Korean firends have a deep resentment
towards japanese.
People become bigots (not racists in this case, since japanese are not a
"race") because they experienced something negative from the group that
they are discriminating against. I agree that all bigotry is bad - but
look how this came to be. If someone did something truly wrong to your
family and never apologized for it and in fact just plainly denied doing
it, wouldn't you be resentful?
The Count
> Count's second favorite pastime, next to pretending to be somebody on
> the usenet, is to lock his doors and masturbate to pictures of
> caucasian women.
This is true - second next to jerking off on pics of japanese women.
Going back and forth with you is really on the latter end of my list of
fun stuff. and I don't lock my door.
USA
Firstly, I think we should consider Japanese as a race just as much as
Koreans are a race.
Maybe they are not different "races" in the western textbook definition, but
even Europeans
consider themselves "races". But anyway that up to individual interpreation,
but when I use
the word "race" or "racism" I mean it in this sense. Not the Caucasoid,
Mongolid, Negroid type
of classification.
I am in absolute agreement with you that bigotry/racism is bad. And I am in
agreement with you that
many people, not just Koreans, have historical grounds as to how it came to
be.
But lets be honest, a previous generation had good grounds to hate another
group.
Does this automatically justify the following generation or even one after
it to "hate" and display
"bigotry" towards the decendants of those who caused the hate in the first
place?
Isn't this the way hate and bigotry self perpetuates itself?
I personally find this Korean bigotry towards Japanese intersting in another
sense. Maybe in Korea or Japan
that would be fine. But here in the United States you are all "asians". Most
Americans think Japan and Korea
are parts of China.So what I am saying is that, for young Korean-Americans
to "hate" young Japanese-Americans is utterly
absurd and works against all asians in this country.
I believe that first and foremost all Asian-Americans must be Americans
first. If the young Japanese-Americans
were able to fight for their country the United States during WWII in direct
conflict with the beliefs of their
first generation Japanese immigrant parents, then surely Korean-Americans
can set aside the hate from the old
country and be Americans first.
The question I really have in mind is, IF hostilities break out between the
US and North Korea, what are all
these Korean-American North Korea apologists in this NG going to do?
USA
You really should learn to lock your door.
The Count
Wow, I feel like I'm lying on a couch and our session is just about up
doctor.
Okay, let me try now - USA was probably a well educated boy, smart but
definitely not popular with other kids his age. During his early years
he developed an interest on international culture and politics, joined
the military and got shipped off to Asia where he became a huge
Asiaphile.
When he transferred to Korea he found a poor Korean woman who needed to
be "saved" from her country as well as herslef, got married, and
imported her back to his whitebread suburb. He now claims to be an
expert on Koreans and Asians and is acing as an American ambassador on
the internet, just because he's laid a few.
Unfortunately he does not realize that he is still white, and still
American - a double whammy when it comes to trying to save (or conquer,
depending on how you look at it) anyone outside of his borders. To us
"orientals" he is public enemy number one - the reason why there are
ghettos domestically and internationally. The reason why families have
to leave their countries in the first place, sacrificing their culture
and identity, just to work 12 hours a day and 7 days a week so that they
can send their kids to a good school so that they can keep up with the
rich white kids.
The Count
leaders, and politicians within the community. They are actually doing
things and making them happen right here in the USA. I spend half of my
productive time during each day working on campaigns with them. We know
who we are, where we are, where we come from, and where we need to go.
Do you?
You spend a lot of time worrying about Koreans. We seem to have many of
the same viewpoints on many things but approach solving them differently.
Any Korean American (or minority for that matter) who realizes what
their problems really are wishes that they had the leverage of being
white and American to solve them. This sounds racist, but it's the
facts. Why don't you help by working on caucasion American issues
before worrying about Korean American issues since that's where all of
the problems come from!
USA
If so, all of you Korean-Americans should stop discussing US-IRAQ war issues
since it has nothing to do with you.
Yes I know who I am and where I'm going. I've been there and back.
But thanks for asking.
So..why don't you tell what a "caucasion issue" is and I will consider it.
USA
>
> Wow, I feel like I'm lying on a couch and our session is just about up
> doctor.
>
> Okay, let me try now - USA was probably a well educated boy, smart but
> definitely not popular with other kids his age. During his early years
> he developed an interest on international culture and politics, joined
> the military and got shipped off to Asia where he became a huge
> Asiaphile.
No..I was quite popular. Not that it makes any difference as an adult.
>
> When he transferred to Korea he found a poor Korean woman who needed to
> be "saved" from her country as well as herslef, got married, and
> imported her back to his whitebread suburb. He now claims to be an
> expert on Koreans and Asians and is acing as an American ambassador on
> the internet, just because he's laid a few.
>
I'm no expert.
> Unfortunately he does not realize that he is still white, and still
> American - a double whammy when it comes to trying to save (or conquer,
> depending on how you look at it) anyone outside of his borders. To us
> "orientals" he is public enemy number one - the reason why there are
> ghettos domestically and internationally. The reason why families have
> to leave their countries in the first place, sacrificing their culture
> and identity, just to work 12 hours a day and 7 days a week so that they
> can send their kids to a good school so that they can keep up with the
> rich white kids.
>
Explain how white Americans are the cause of ghettos in other countries.
The Count
they like it or not. This is where we live NOW and unless we plan to go back
to our originating countries, this is the truth.
The Count
Vietnam
Hong Kong
Phillipines
Korea
Thailand
Singapore
Africa
South America
Iraq
and...America
all have in common?
Answer: white people have colonized them. Does this answer your question?
USA
The Americans are responsible for the creation of the ROK and they are
white.
The Soviets were responsible for the creation of the DPRK, and they are
white.
But I don't recall any time period when Korea was a "colony" of white
people.
But I do see that you lump French colonization of Vietnam, British
colonization of Singapore
and Spanish colonization of South America all together.
So you are blaming CAUCASIANS/EUROPEANS as a whole, not specifically
white Americans. After all, the US had nothing to do whatsover with many of
these places.
BTW...who colonized Thailand?
Daniel Paik
The Count <vl...@impaler.com> wrote:
>and identity, just to work 12 hours a day and 7 days a week so that they
>can send their kids to a good school so that they can keep up with the
>rich white kids.
actually, most koreans see their competition as other koreans, not the
"white man".
i was doing some business for awhile with an SAT hogwon in LA. it was
mostly korean students and most of the parents owned small businesses.
the parents were unbelievably competitive with each other. they always
talked about what private school they were sending their children
(harvard-westlake was the popular one).
we even had a lot of parents come in asking who the other kids are in
the SAT class that their child was enrolled in. after we tell them,
they would ask if any of those kids go to public school...because they
didn't want their private school attending child to associate with the
public school kids. you know, they all heard stories about so-and-so
who met a public school kid and now she's pregnant and dropped out, etc.
Dan.
--
RVD...The Whole F'n Show
i was bored one day and ended up making http://www.hanguk.com/~danpaik
"you pencil neck geek" - Classie Freddie Blassie RIP
Kay
@posting.google.com:
I hate to admit it but you are right.
Kay
>I never did you fucking retard.
Nice Christian word, Mr. Fascist.
USA
> In article <C2QFa.5473$zu3....@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>, U...@aol.com says...
>
>
> >I never did you fucking retard.
>
> Nice Christian word, Mr. Fascist.
>
Oh you never herard that word before?? What are you 4 years old??
Furthermore it has nothing to do with either christiamity or fascism.
Where did you learn all these big words, the meanings of which are clearly
above your level of intellect?
The Count
> The Americans are responsible for the creation of the ROK and they are
> white.
> The Soviets were responsible for the creation of the DPRK, and they
> are white. But I don't recall any time period when Korea was a
> "colony" of white people.
>
> But I do see that you lump French colonization of Vietnam, British
> colonization of Singapore
> and Spanish colonization of South America all together.
> So you are blaming CAUCASIANS/EUROPEANS as a whole, not specifically
> white Americans. After all, the US had nothing to do whatsover with
> many of these places.
>
> BTW...who colonized Thailand?
I guess I am using the word "colonize" in a sense that there's a
dominant power that is/was not from or part of the native people. You
got me on Thailand - although both the British and French have attempted
to colonize it.
Yes, historically I blame caucasians for much of the agression in the
world - both past and current. They just don't seem to like people of
color.
USA
>
> > The Americans are responsible for the creation of the ROK and they are
> > white.
> > The Soviets were responsible for the creation of the DPRK, and they
> > are white. But I don't recall any time period when Korea was a
> > "colony" of white people.
> >
> > But I do see that you lump French colonization of Vietnam, British
> > colonization of Singapore
> > and Spanish colonization of South America all together.
> > So you are blaming CAUCASIANS/EUROPEANS as a whole, not specifically
> > white Americans. After all, the US had nothing to do whatsover with
> > many of these places.
> >
> > BTW...who colonized Thailand?
>
> I guess I am using the word "colonize" in a sense that there's a
> dominant power that is/was not from or part of the native people. You
> got me on Thailand - although both the British and French have attempted
> to colonize it.
>
But is that type of "colonization" any different from say...China's ancient
dominance over Korea and Japan?
The only difference here being that China is not a white country.
> Yes, historically I blame caucasians for much of the agression in the
> world - both past and current. They just don't seem to like people of
> color.
I think that on one hand, IF one decides to lump all the actions of
caucasian people together as one group, then
yes you can not avoid reaching the conclusion that caucasians have probably
commited more atrocities, genocide,
domination and pilaging of resources of peoples and lands of other "races"
throughout the world and throughout
history.
On the other hand, caucasians pretty much did the same to their own "race"
as well. Furthermore, is it really
fair to lump them all together? After all, the United States is not an old
European colonial power, having fought it's
way away from one to come into existence.
By the time the US became internationally active, the Europeans had pretty
much divied up Africa and Asia
amongst themselves. In fact, what little "empire buiding" the US did do was
not to take countries away from
the indigenous people but to take them away from their European colonial
masters....ie; Phillipines.
However the racist nature of white Americans can not be denied as the very
existence of America herself,
the land literally stolen from the native inhabitants through what I think
most of us agree today as nothing
less than "genocide" indicates. Addionally there is the history of Slavery
as well the Asian exclusion laws.
I think that despite all this, the United States today has striven for
racial equality far more than any other country
on earth. A white American soldier today, a decendant of a racist people,
will salute a Black man
(Colin Powell) or an Asian (Gen. Eric Shinseki) without a moment's thought.
I hope that you balance your negative views of "white Americans" with the
strides that they have made to balance
things out.
USA
Kay
Wrong again. I am using those words because
those seem to be the only words you understand.
Have a good day, Mr. Fascist. Oh, don't
forget to pray and "heil" to your fuhrer.
USA
The Racist North Korean apologist America-Hater calls others "fascist".
You obviously have no idea what the word means.
Do you know what "hypocrite" means?
Don't forget to pray and yell Man Se to your beloved Dear Leader.
shuji matsuda
"USA" <U...@aol.com> wrote:
:But is that type of "colonization" any different from say...China's ancient
:dominance over Korea and Japan?
:The only difference here being that China is not a white country.
I can see your point. However, China has never had "dominance" over
Japan except for the two failed attempts.
USA
"shuji matsuda" <shuji__...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bcd4i8$hl3gt$1...@ID-37799.news.dfncis.de...
Yes, "dominance" is not thebright word, but Count used "colonization" in a
very loose
broad way and I did the same with "dominance".
I meant dominance only in the sense that aspects Chinese culture was brought
to both Korea
and Japan and became part of their respectivew cultures.
I did not mean physical dominance.
Kay
>
>
>"Kay" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in message
>news:vBnGa.91$vb7....@news.uswest.net...
>> In article <r5kGa.832$LW6...@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>, U...@aol.com says.
>..
>> >
>> >
>> >"Kay" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in message
>> >news:uTfGa.116$%C6.9...@news.uswest.net...
>> >> In article <C2QFa.5473$zu3....@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>, U...@aol.com
>say
>> >s...
>> >> >I never did you fucking retard.
>> >>
>> >> Nice Christian word, Mr. Fascist.
>You obviously have no idea what the word means.
>Do you know what "hypocrite" means?
Yes, I do. It means someone like you.
Kay
>Okay, let me try now - USA was probably a well educated boy, smart but
>definitely not popular with other kids his age. During his early years
>he developed an interest on international culture and politics, joined
>the military and got shipped off to Asia where he became a huge
>Asiaphile.
Smart? Well educated? I would put his IQ at 90-100.
His education at High school + a couple years of
community college.
After the high school he joined the military because
he could not find a job nor was he admitted to a college.
When he got the first stripe,
he probably thought that was a life-time accomplishment
and his family framed that stripe on the wall.
I woul also agree with you that he probably was a loner.
He was looked down by his peers, and this is where
Asia came in. All the working women (euphoric word for
girls USA likes to hang around, or perhaps the only ones
who would not mind him) revered him. He did not
know that they liked his paycheck. None the less he
married one.
Kay
says...
>"The Count" <vl...@impaler.com> wrote in message
>news:3EE822CA...@impaler.com...
>> USA is a very typical American, white, male (no doubt christian, subur
>ban)
>who
>> has no clue about how people outside of his ethinicity REALLY feel abo
>ut
>each
>> other as well as Americans. His incessant debating and input in these
>groups
>> truly reaveals a lot about American paranoia and ignorance to the
>happennings
>> of the world.
>>
>
>The Count is a typical Korean-American whose parents
>worked very hard in their grocery to put him in
>college so he could become a success in American
>Society. His parents knew that the North Korean
>communists were evil, and that here in America being an
>Asian-American he would have to work twice as hard
>as his white friends to succeed.
>But unfortunately Count squandered the tuition by
>engaging in the partying, forgetting that he was
>neither white nor black in this country. So he spent
>his time writing pointless things on the usenet,
>the only place where he felt safe among other
>Korean-Americans who had also lost the convictions
>of their parents and elders, as well as their own
>true identities. Little did Count realize that no
>matter how good his English was, he was going to be
>always seen as an "oriental" by all Americans.
>And the Koreans in Korea would see him as an
>"American".
>In effect he is a "nobody" who neither fully
>understands the culture of his parents nor the
>culture in which he exists.
If these are not racist statements, I don't know
what is. The sad thing is USA does not even
recognize it. You are one of the reasons why
Christianity is getting a bad name.
Kay
says...
>
>
>"The Count" <vl...@impaler.com> wrote in message
>news:3EE8D910...@impaler.com...
>> Question, what do the following places have in common:
>>
>> Vietnam
>> Hong Kong
>> Phillipines
>> Korea
>> Thailand
>> Singapore
>> Africa
>> South America
>> Iraq
>> and...America
>>
>> all have in common?
>>
>> Answer: white people have colonized them. Does this answer your quest
>ion?
>
>The Americans are responsible for the creation of the ROK and they are
>white.
>The Soviets were responsible for the creation of the DPRK, and they are
>white.
>But I don't recall any time period when Korea was a "colony" of white
>people.
You just said it. The US colonized S. Korea
and USSR colonized N. Korea for 3 years.
>white Americans. After all, the US had nothing to do whatsover with many
> of
>these places.
The US colonized Phillipines. The US colonized
S. Korea for 3 years. The US tried to colonize
Vietname for over 15 years, miserably failing at that.
Many South American countries are in many ways
colonies of the US, not in the traditional sense
but in the 20th century sense, that is under
the heavy influence of the US power. Would you
say Hungay was a USSR colony from 1945 until
the USSR crumbled?
USA
> In article <20030612134...@news.chi.sbcglobal.net>,
vl...@impaler.com says...
>
> >Okay, let me try now - USA was probably a well educated boy, smart but
> >definitely not popular with other kids his age. During his early years
> >he developed an interest on international culture and politics, joined
> >the military and got shipped off to Asia where he became a huge
> >Asiaphile.
>
> Smart? Well educated? I would put his IQ at 90-100.
> His education at High school + a couple years of
> community college.
>
> After the high school he joined the military because
> he could not find a job nor was he admitted to a college.
> When he got the first stripe,
> he probably thought that was a life-time accomplishment
> and his family framed that stripe on the wall.
>
> I woul also agree with you that he probably was a loner.
> He was looked down by his peers, and this is where
> Asia came in. All the working women (euphoric word for
> girls USA likes to hang around, or perhaps the only ones
> who would not mind him) revered him. He did not
> know that they liked his paycheck. None the less he
> married one.
>
HAHAHAHA...you are actually believing this fairy tale
and building on it?
You are far far more retarded than I ever realized....
USA
There you go WRITING YOUR OWN PSYCHOTIC VERSION OF HISTORY.
In neither case was Korea "colonized".
> >white Americans. After all, the US had nothing to do whatsover with many
> > of
> >these places.
>
> The US colonized Phillipines. The US colonized
> S. Korea for 3 years. The US tried to colonize
> Vietname for over 15 years, miserably failing at that.
> Many South American countries are in many ways
> colonies of the US, not in the traditional sense
> but in the 20th century sense, that is under
> the heavy influence of the US power. Would you
> say Hungay was a USSR colony from 1945 until
> the USSR crumbled?
These were not "colonies".
Your HATRED FOR AMERICA is oozing.
USA
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT A RACIST STATEMENT IS YOU FREAKING IMBECILE.
Now go gome and stay away from the computer.
You're giving Koreans a bad name.
Kay
Hungary, Chech, and Poland colonies of
USSR or not? If not, what would you
call them?
In article <v%qGa.183$gV6.5...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>, U...@aol.com
says...
Kay
>
>He may very well be educated, but can never know what it is like to be p
>art of
>the culture and identity of the very people he talks about. It's funny
>to see
>how passionate he is about Korean and japanese politics and people, not
>realizing that he's always going to be a tourist.
It seems he is interested in Korean politics
just to hate them. I just don't understand how
people live with so much hatred inside.
USA
in a public forum.
USA
> You did not answer my question. Was
> Hungary, Chech, and Poland colonies of
> USSR or not? If not, what would you
> call them?
>
They were called "Soviet Satellites", which, if you hadn't been lying
through your teeth as
regards how long you've been in the United States would remember from
personal memory.
Kay
OK, if you prefer, we can use the term "satellites."
That is the modern day term for the old colony.
Kay
I would rather have mentally retarded people
that people full of hatred.
By the way, in a more pleasant discussion, I
would like to more about you. Why are you so
full of hatred? Is that your Freudian background?
Hatred is something people attain after they
are born.
I am just curious. You might consider some help.
It is not good for you.
USA
No it's not modern. It was coined in the late 1940s.
shuji matsuda
nos...@nospam.net (Kay) wrote:
:I have no ill feelings toward the Japanese unless I run into one
:who still think Koreans are inferior to them only because
:they are Koreans.
This and ...
:The fact is that this is what makes
:many Japanese to still look upon
:Koreans as something less than human. This is a fact.
:I have a sister-in-law who is married to a Japanese.
:What bothers her is just about every time they go into a
:"fight," he brings up this issue that Koreans are inferior
:to Japanese. It drives her crazy and the fight gets worse.
:The fact is she is a lot smarter than he.
:I don't think this is an isolated incident.
this clearly contradicts each other.
You find a person you do not like, and generalize the resentment to the
whole population, which I think you define as racist.
:>It's not true. Many ethnic Koreans in Kansai are assholes treating the
:>Japanese as slaves. They insist that they are "sangokujin" and they
:>are the winners of the war, then treat us like slaves violently.
:
:I still stand by what I said. Koreans do not treat
:Japanese like slaves. Koreans do not have such power,
:especially in Japan.
You do not know the history. He was talking about Japan under USA
occupation. Japan did not hace the soverignity for seven years.
:As a matter of fact, many Koreans in Japan are there
:because the Japanese government drafted them out of
:Korea to use them for slave labor. Again, learn
:history, not from slanted Japanese history books.
Again, I think you had better do exactly as your preach.
The majority of Korean residents in Japan today are NOT the descendants
of the draftees. At the end of the WWII, there were about 2 million Korean
residents in Japan. According to GHQ policy, Japan returned 1.4 million
Koreans back home using Japanese tax money.
Draftees were about 0.6 million, and since the drafting was done duing
the last nine (depending on how you count them) years, they happily
returned home. Those who remained were those who entered Japan not
as draftees but as voluntary workers, long before the drafting started.
This can be evidnced by the age of the first generation Koreans. Since they
owned less in Peninsula and more in Japan, they stayed. Even according to Mindan
survey, which is of course pro-Korea biased, only 13 % of the first
generation Korean residents in Japan were draft-related. They have
already admitted the rest, 87%, are not the descendants of draftees.
During the occupation era (1945-1952), the Korean war (1950) caused the
influx of Koreans to Japan again. Some of them successfully sneaked into Japan,
and faked the foreign registration. You think I am "spinning" the
history? Let's listen to the account of one Korean resident. This is
from the honorable Chousen Shimpou, the offical gazzete of Chonryon,
which organizes NK sympathizers among Korean residents in Japan.
http://www.korea-np.co.jp/douhou-hiroba/hou-soudan/hon9709.htm
あなたのように、本名と外国人登録上の氏や名が異なっている事例は多くあります。
実は私も朝鮮学校に通っていた時代には「尹（ユン）」という氏を使用していま
した。戦後、父が密航で日本にやってきて、他人の外国人登録を買ったためでした。
そのため、親族と会うときは「洪（ホン）」の氏を使用し、学校では「尹」の氏を
使用しました。
Here I translate it as:
"Similar to your case, there are numerous cases that real surname
and first name are different from those appear on foreigner registration.
To tell the truth, when I was attending to (North) Korean school (in Japan), I was
using the family name 'Yung (?).' This is because my father sneaked into
Japan after the war, and bought a forigner registration from other person.
This is why I use my family name 'Hong (?)' when I meet relatives, and used
'Yung' at school."
He has so Japanized that he used 氏, instead of 姓, BTW.
:When the emperor mentioned his Korean heritage,
:there were many Japanese who were quite angry about it.
:Why? Why is it shameful of truth? These things
:reinforce Koreans' hatred of Japanese.
:I did not blame him. I lauds him for what he did.
:I blame the Japanese rightwing who condemn the
:emperor for it, though.
Regarding Akihito's remark, I don't understand why it excites the Koreans.
It is no secret that there were many immigrants from the Peninsula,
especially after the fall of Paekche in 7th century. Some of them are
listed in the name list of elites.
:I was not blaming you. I was talking about generic
:Japanese. As long as Japanese has this attitude,
:Korean hatred of Japanese will remain. You cannot
:ask Korean behave saintly when Japanese behave like boors.
Then why do you expect the Japanese to behave like saints?
Logical conclusion of your argument seems to me that the Koreans are
eternal enemy of the Japanese, which exactly what Kim Jong Il and his
beloved worker party preaches in North Korea right now.
shuji matsuda
"USA" <U...@aol.com> wrote:
:But here in the United States you are all "asians". Most
:Americans think Japan and Korea
:are parts of China.So what I am saying is that, for young Korean-Americans
:to "hate" young Japanese-Americans is utterly
:absurd and works against all asians in this country.
Actually, this American racism is quite new to me.
Here in America, strangers call me Chink when they want to insult me,
which is not an insult to me at all. They try to mimick "Chinese (language)"
to make fun of me, which I speak only very little. HA, HA.
This is why black-Americans are not African Americans. They are lumped
together as a "race" after they came to USA. In other words, your description
above is the key concept of American racism.
Kay
>
>In article <9U6Fa.54$6W4....@news.uswest.net>,
>nos...@nospam.net (Kay) wrote:
>:I have no ill feelings toward the Japanese unless I run into one
>:who still think Koreans are inferior to them only because
>:they are Koreans.
>
>This and ...
>
>:The fact is that this is what makes
>:many Japanese to still look upon
>:Koreans as something less than human. This is a fact.
>:I have a sister-in-law who is married to a Japanese.
>:What bothers her is just about every time they go into a
>:"fight," he brings up this issue that Koreans are inferior
>:to Japanese. It drives her crazy and the fight gets worse.
>:The fact is she is a lot smarter than he.
>:I don't think this is an isolated incident.
>
>this clearly contradicts each other.
>You find a person you do not like, and generalize the resentment to the
>whole population, which I think you define as racist.
I used an example just to illustrate. As I said,
it is not an isolated incident. My father was
arrested by the Japanese just before the WWII ended;
he was in China at the time. He lived there until
he died in 1992. I know what you are going to say;
that he lived there because he liked it there. No.
He lived there because he could not come home
empty-handed. Anyway, he told me the treatment he
and his friends got there. I do not expect any
foreigner is treated equally any place. I have been
living in the US for several decades. In the early
days, I was looked upon as an odd being. It is much
better today but we still have a lot of white
Americans like USA, who will treat us OK as long as
we agree with them. The minute we disagree, we are
treated like an inferior foreign devil.
What I am trying to say is that Japanese are no
different from Koreans, Americans, or any other
nationals. It is human nature. Japanese especially treated
Koreans because the latter was subjects of the former
in recent history. I am merely surprised that you and Kaz,
with the help of racists like USA, are trying to defend
non-defendable. As I said repeatedly, if you said Japanese
are as guilty as Koreans in terms of racism, I can buy that.
However, when you insist that Koreans are racists while
Japanese are angels, there goes your credibility.
>:>It's not true. Many ethnic Koreans in Kansai are assholes treating the
>:>Japanese as slaves. They insist that they are "sangokujin" and they
>:>are the winners of the war, then treat us like slaves violently.
>:
>:I still stand by what I said. Koreans do not treat
>:Japanese like slaves. Koreans do not have such power,
>:especially in Japan.
>
>You do not know the history. He was talking about Japan under USA
>occupation. Japan did not hace the soverignity for seven years.
Yes, I know the history very well. I am a history buff.
When Japan lost the war and the US took over the country for
a few years, Koreans and other foreigners had special
privilege. Many Koreans took advantage and acted like they
finally had their day and treated Japanese, not as a slave (you
are using the wrong word here), but as an enemy. They felt
like they were the winners and you were the losers, just the
opposite of what used to be a few years back. That was a
historical fact, and I have no way of denying history.
However, that was a transient phenomenon. Oppressed people
behaving masters when they are freed is also a natural
phenomenon, as disgusting as it is. They, however, soon
discovered they days were short and they were back to
the bottom of the totem pole.
You are quite confused on this, it seems.
>:As a matter of fact, many Koreans in Japan are there
>:because the Japanese government drafted them out of
>:Korea to use them for slave labor. Again, learn
>:history, not from slanted Japanese history books.
>
>Again, I think you had better do exactly as your preach.
I have and that is what happened. You'd better stop reading
your apologist's propaganda. Find out the truth before opening
your mouth based on your prejudice. In fact, your defense of
this indefensible is extremely offensive. Perhaps, that in itself
is racism. There are many Americans who still insist that
the black Africans came to the US (in a slave ship) voluntarily
to work in this country to work as a slave. I am afraid your logic
is exactly the same.
>The majority of Korean residents in Japan today are NOT the descendants
>of the draftees. At the end of the WWII, there were about 2 million Kor
>ean
>residents in Japan. According to GHQ policy, Japan returned 1.4 million
>Koreans back home using Japanese tax money.
Absolutely not true.
>Draftees were about 0.6 million, and since the drafting was done duing
>the last nine (depending on how you count them) years, they happily
>returned home. Those who remained were those who entered Japan not
>as draftees but as voluntary workers, long before the drafting started.
My, my, where do you get that information? Happily? Of course,
they were happy to return home. You seem to imply that they
were happy to be drafted to Japanese mines and Japanese army.
>This can be evidnced by the age of the first generation Koreans. Since
>they
>owned less in Peninsula and more in Japan, they stayed. Even according
>to Mindan
>survey, which is of course pro-Korea biased, only 13 % of the first
>generation Korean residents in Japan were draft-related. They have
>already admitted the rest, 87%, are not the descendants of draftees.
This number could be true since there were a lot of Korean businesses
in Japan now.
>During the occupation era (1945-1952), the Korean war (1950) caused the
>influx of Koreans to Japan again. Some of them successfully sneaked int
>o Japan,
>and faked the foreign registration. You think I am "spinning" the
>history? Let's listen to the account of one Korean resident. This is
>from the honorable Chousen Shimpou, the offical gazzete of Chonryon,
>which organizes NK sympathizers among Korean residents in Japan.
Didn't you accuse me of giving you an example of one source, my
brother-in-law? Now you are giving me one testimonial as a proof?
Many Koreans, especially young folks, went to Japan to study.
They later became the basis of modern Korean education. So,
you are not telling me anything that I don't know. Some of them
were completely absorbed into Japanese culture; they were later
labeled as traitors. Some of them were there to study so that
they could advance their career apolitically since you could not
do much without that knowledge. Others were there to learn
so that they could participate in the independence movement of Korea.
What I was talking about is the laborers who were drafted to Japan
against their will.
>:When the emperor mentioned his Korean heritage,
>:there were many Japanese who were quite angry about it.
>:Why? Why is it shameful of truth? These things
>:reinforce Koreans' hatred of Japanese.
>:I did not blame him. I lauded him for what he did.
>:I blame the Japanese rightwing who condemn the
>:emperor for it, though.
>
>Regarding Akihito's remark, I don't understand why it excites the Koreans.
I would think they were excited because when a man of Akihito's
statute admits the heritage, it is news.
>It is no secret that there were many immigrants from the Peninsula,
>especially after the fall of Paekche in 7th century. Some of them are
>listed in the name list of elites.
I don't understand why Japanese are so critical of Akihito's remarks.
Can you explain that to me?
>:I was not blaming you. I was talking about generic
>:Japanese. As long as Japanese has this attitude,
>:Korean hatred of Japanese will remain. You cannot
>:ask Korean behave saintly when Japanese behave like boors.
>
>Then why do you expect the Japanese to behave like saints?
>Logical conclusion of your argument seems to me that the Koreans are
>eternal enemy of the Japanese, which exactly what Kim Jong Il and his
>beloved worker party preaches in North Korea right now.
Finally, you make a statement I can agree with. Hatred is
mutual. As long as one side promotes hatred, the other side
is likely to counter in like manner. I only mentioned Japan first
because
1) When I joined the thread, I noticed Kaz's remark of his hating
Koreans. Whether it was his original or in reaction to a
Korean, that is quite infantile.
2) You, Kaz, and USA have this colonial attitude
that Japan did a great favor to Korea by occupying the
country. No country is happy to be ruled by others.
You did not like to be ruled by the US, albeit it was
only a few short years. Americans did not even tortured Japanese.
3) Your constant insistent that Japanese behaved
angels during the occupation
Here, Korea was the victim and Japan was the victor.
As my Japanese room-mate during my college years
used to say, it's all about power. The only way both
sides can achieve any kind of peace and friendship is
admitting the error of yester years and start working
toward peaceful coexistence. As long as you keep
saying you've done nothing wrong, despite historic
evidence, Koreans will resent Japanese. It is also
human nature. As long as you keep spinning the
historical facts, you lose your credibility and who
trusts a person who has no credibility?
When the emperor admitted his heritage, did Korean
looked down Japanese? Not at all! His credibility went
way up! It was an insignificant issue, yet a small
admission of the fact goes a long way.
What do you want? Continuous denial of history?
Admit the past and go on with the future?
Austin P. So (Hae Jin)
country was "dominant" is whether it received tributes from other states
(which I think is bullshit). For easterners, the nature of the tributes that
were received relative to those that were sent were more important.
Korea sent yearly tributes to the Qing court, and the Qing sent tributes to
the Chosun court.
Are you saying that the Japanese court never sent any yearly tributes to
either Chosun or the Qing court and vice-versa?
Austin
"shuji matsuda" <shuji__...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Austin P. So (Hae Jin)
> >You obviously have no idea what the word means.
> >Do you know what "hypocrite" means?
>
> Yes, I do. It means someone like you.
Kay...I don't know why you bother with this bloke "USA"...it is clear that
he is no match for you...okay everybody else.
This does remind me of Sowa though...he was a misogynist too (although I'm
making an implicit assumption that you are female) in the sense that he
could not handle being pointed out how wrong he was by a female. He also had
this trait of taking one very minute point and latching onto it even though
it had nothing to do with the argument at hand.
Austin
Kay
says...
>Austin
You have a point there. As an old saying goes,
it's like reading scripture to a cow's ear.
USA
"Austin P. So (Hae Jin)" <hae...@netinfo.ubc.ca> wrote in message
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TO SUPPORT EACH OTHER AGAINST AMERICANS
.
USA
Don't get so smug you pompous ass.
You so far have proven to be nothing more than a North Korean Supporter
(alhough you deny
that's how you feel), and VEHEMENT AMERICA-HATER.
I don't know why you are even in this country with your extent of hate. I
really think it is a shame
that YOU are here while some South Korean person who is willing to give our
system a try is waiting
in Seoul for a visa to come through.
WHY do you hate the US so much?
What's really fasciniating is your method of argument.
First you call me a racist...although I have said nothing racist to you.
When THis is pointed out you
justify calling me a racist because I said racist things to "others".
Then you call me a Japan-Apologist, even though I have never denied or
supported Japan's atrocities
during WWII.
But what takes the cake is how you use the.."I thought you were going to
say" line to make sometjhing up yourself,
decide that I eas "going" to say it, then attack it. That really displays
the extent to which you lose control over
your writing when you get too angry. No one would argue that I don't give
you actual issues for you to attack
yet you prefer to create them.
USA
"Austin P. So (Hae Jin)" <hae...@netinfo.ubc.ca> wrote in message
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USA
> I used an example just to illustrate. As I said,
> it is not an isolated incident. My father was
> arrested by the Japanese just before the WWII ended;
> he was in China at the time. He lived there until
> he died in 1992.
If your father was arrested by the Japanese occupational authorities just
before the war ended
then he must have been freed quite soon.
Unless he was detained further by the Chinese authorities.
> I know what you are going to say;
> that he lived there because he liked it there. No.
> He lived there because he could not come home
> empty-handed.
So was he forced to stay and China until his death? Or did he choose to do
so?
What do you mean by "empty-handed"?
> Anyway, he told me the treatment he
> and his friends got there. I do not expect any
> foreigner is treated equally any place. I have been
> living in the US for several decades. In the early
> days, I was looked upon as an odd being. It is much
> better today but we still have a lot of white
> Americans like USA, who will treat us OK as long as
> we agree with them. The minute we disagree, we are
> treated like an inferior foreign devil.
>
You are right Kay. And one day you'll thank me for letting you in on this
truth as unfortunate as it may be.
Because you are a minority, Asian in particular, you will be highly
sucepatable to "Go home Chink" type of
racist comments from all non-asian americans if you speak out loudly against
the United States.
It is Wrong, it is Racist and completely without rational foundation. Yet it
is the truth.
It is not just White Americans who may take this attitude, it is Black and
Hispanic Americans as well.
You said you have been on the US for a long time Kay. Were you here during
1966-1973 when
anti-asian sentiment ran high because of the Vietnam War? Any Asian
regardless of where they were from,
regardless of how many generations they may have been Americans were looked
upon as "gooks".
> What I am trying to say is that Japanese are no
> different from Koreans, Americans, or any other
> nationals. It is human nature. Japanese especially treated
> Koreans because the latter was subjects of the former
> in recent history. I am merely surprised that you and Kaz,
> with the help of racists like USA, are trying to defend
> non-defendable.
Again you single me out as a Racist. Why? What exactly am I trying to
defend?
The point I made was that there are more Korean posters who display racism
towards Japanese
than the other way around. This is nothing more than a numerical fact.
This becomes very noticable because there are very few Japanese posters in
the first place as compared
to Korean ones. Additionally, there has been a suggestion made that the vast
majority of such racist
comments are being posted by a few select "nutcase" Korean posters.
How you managed to blow this simple factual observation into this kind of an
enormous issue is beyond me.
USA
> In article <PJNGa.2023$Uj1....@nwrdny02.gnilink.net>, U...@aol.com says...
> >
> >
> >"Kay" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in message
> >news:8wKGa.962$GX.7...@news.uswest.net...
> >> In article <3EE822DB...@impaler.com>, vl...@impaler.com says...
> >> >
> >> >He may very well be educated, but can never know what it is like to b
> >e p
> >> >art of
> >> >the culture and identity of the very people he talks about. It's fun
> >ny
> >> >to see
> >> >how passionate he is about Korean and japanese politics and people, n
> >ot
> >> >realizing that he's always going to be a tourist.
> >>
> >> It seems he is interested in Korean politics
> >> just to hate them. I just don't understand how
> >> people live with so much hatred inside.
> >>
> >That is simple...you are mentally retarded and shouldn't be posting
> >in a public forum.
>
> I would rather have mentally retarded people
> that people full of hatred.
>
I prefer neither.
> By the way, in a more pleasant discussion, I
> would like to more about you. Why are you so
> full of hatred? Is that your Freudian background?
> Hatred is something people attain after they
> are born.
> I am just curious. You might consider some help.
> It is not good for you.
I do indeed hate the Kim Jong iL regime. I hate it's very existence, I hate
seeing this 1950s style Stalinist Dictatorship
continuing to exist and thumbing it's nose at everyone. I hate the fact
that children are being ingrained in the schools to
HATE America and Japan and South Korea. I hate the manner in which the govt
treats NKorean citizens who speak
out against their govt, who leave the country for a better life elsewhere. I
hate the way in which the Songun policy calls
for the enormous military to be fed first before the starving masses. I hate
the way in which Kim Jong iL is worshipped
as a personality cult and the citizens are EXPECTED to suffer to sacrifice
for the good of Kim Jong iL and the North Korean People's Army. I hate the
manner in which foreign shows, foreign news is all censored so that the
populace will not
realize how bad off they are, that the govt has been lying to them. I hate
the way the NK govt teches the populace that
South Korea is a dismal poor country, instead of the truth. I hate the way
American food aid bags ends up inside NKorean
midget submarines while North Korean children look like matchsticks. I could
go on and on.
So Kay...why do you hate the United States so much?
saubmarine
Kay
It is very entertaining.
In article <JThHa.65114$e41....@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>, U...@aol.com says...
>
>
>"Kay" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in message
>news:GqbHa.604$H21....@news.uswest.net...
>> In article <bcjfg0$cco$4...@nntp.itservices.ubc.ca>, hae...@netinfo.ubc.c
>a
>> says...
>> >
>> >"Kay" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in message
>> >news:jxqGa.115$vb7....@news.uswest.net...
>> >> In article <1OnGa.290$ob7...@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com>, USA@aol.
Kay
says...
>So Kay...why do you hate the United States so much?
No, USA, I don't hate the US. I have pity
for racists and self-righteous imperialist
Americans.
USA
> Keep ranting, USA!
> It is very entertaining.
>
Not really Kay....I don't think these malnourished children in North Korea
who look like stick figures think it's "entertaining" at all.
May YOU do.
USA
I thought we had agreed that you would stop using the word "imperalist"
since it makes you look like a spokesperson for North Korea.
I also hate racists and self-rightous liberal Americans.
Kay
says...
>
>The definition that Westerners typically use to assert whether or not a
>country was "dominant" is whether it received tributes from other states
>(which I think is bullshit). For easterners, the nature of the tributes
>that
>were received relative to those that were sent were more important.
>
>Korea sent yearly tributes to the Qing court, and the Qing sent tributes
> to
>the Chosun court.
>
>Are you saying that the Japanese court never sent any yearly tributes to
>either Chosun or the Qing court and vice-versa?
>
>Austin
I am not sure about China. I don't think Japan
sent yearly tributes ot Chosun. I believe there
was a brief period when Japan sent tributes to Chosun
during Sejong years but it did not last long.
Kay
says...
You may have agreed but I have not. Tell me
a more euphoric word for imperialist, and I might
use it. In the lack of such word, I believe
an imperialist is one who believes in Imperialism.
In this case, those who believe that the US has the
God-give duty to rule the world, and that the US is
always right.
USA
Imperialism would mean that the US is an Empire, which you and I know is
not.
I am sure we would both agree that while the US is large, has two states
separated from the
continental portion and does in fact control a few territories, it is does
not have a great
number of territories or different peoples under it's control. I am not
talking aboout the melting pot here.
For example, the British Empire spanned North America, Egypt, India to Hong
Kong.
The French from the North America, North Africa, Africa, Vietnam to Tahiti.
These are Empires. Additionally, the US has never had an Emperor as head of
state, such as Ancient Rome
or Pre-war Japan. What you want to say is that the US dominates the world.
And economically and militarily I happen to
agree with you that it does. But it does not maintain direct control of
other territories by appointing governers
of other territories. Furthmore, with your anti-american attitude using a
word such as "Imperialism" you are
mimicing the communists of PROC and Vietnam in the past and DPRK today.
While I agree that the US does dominate economically and militariy it does
not exactly "rule" the world.
Nor is the US "always" right.
grun...@msn.com
> "Supertech" <ejo...@austin.rr.com> wrote in message news:<s1MEa.119859$ui.77...@twister.austin.rr.com>...
> > Korean parents don't teach their kids to disparage Japanese in the school
> > for nothing.
>
> Yeah we know why, because Korea STILL can't get over what happened in
> the past. Sure blame the Japanese Gvnmt but why the hell do you want
> to blame modern Japanese people? I wasn't the one who went off to war.
I would like to know what about the past Korea still can't get over?
We ought to establish common ground as to what we are talking about.
Who blame(s) modern Japanese people and for what? What war didn' you
go?
Leo Lee
Blame other for their own wrongdoing. Such is a exmaple of blaming
japanese for korean own internal crisis. You know what I'm talking
about?
yeap dysfuctional family. Violent dad. Shouting mom. Divided
family.
Anger, resentment of the family problematic blaming goes to other.
Koreans think
there is no problem their own yard and all the problem is created by a
other such as japanese.
shuji matsuda
"USA" <U...@aol.com> wrote:
:Imperialism would mean that the US is an Empire, which you and I know is
:not.
It may not be correct these days.
http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog/HAREMI.html
USA
True..
But Kay could not agree to this..
"Their book shows how this emerging Empire is fundamentally different from
the imperialism of European dominance and capitalist expansion in previous
eras."
Kay
I agree with that definition. The fact is
Mongol Empire was quite different from Roman Empire.
British Empire was quite different from Mongol
Empire. Japanese Empire was different from
British Empire, and so on.
As time marches on, the definition of empire
changes with it. You are dealing with
different set of values.
Consequently, today's empire is againt different
from the empires of bygone days.
The only thing that is same is power
and domination.
USA
But do you still think "imperialist" is appropriate for the new form of
empire?
Kay
>
>USA is a very typical American, white, male (no doubt christian, suburba
>n) who
>has no clue about how people outside of his ethinicity REALLY feel about
> each
>other as well as Americans. His incessant debating and input in these g
>roups
>truly reaveals a lot about American paranoia and ignorance to the happen
>nings
>of the world.
In defense of many fine American friends of mine,
I must say USA is not a typical American. He is
what people here usually call a loser.
Kay
shuji__...@hotmail.com says...
>
>In article <Uw3Ga.380$M87.29...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>,
>"USA" <U...@aol.com> wrote:
>:But here in the United States you are all "asians". Most
>:Americans think Japan and Korea
>:are parts of China.So what I am saying is that, for young Korean-Americ
>ans
>:to "hate" young Japanese-Americans is utterly
>:absurd and works against all asians in this country.
>
>Actually, this American racism is quite new to me.
>Here in America, strangers call me Chink when they want to insult me,
>which is not an insult to me at all. They try to mimick "Chinese (langu
>age)"
>to make fun of me, which I speak only very little. HA, HA.
You must have met USA's brother. :-)
USA
And Kay proclaims to be a Naturalized American citizen of Korean decent,
yet rants ad infinitum with vehemence against the United States.
Kay does not realize that it is not a "right:" to become an American
citizen, it is
a privilege.
Kay also defends North Korea at every turn, denouncing even the reports of
starvation
as vile rumors created by the "imperialist" Americans.
The American citizenship WASTED on this Kay should go to a
productive South Korean who wants to make his mark in life in the United
States.
He is what people in the United States, all the democratic countries in the
world, and everyone
south of the 38th parallel on the Korean Peninsula would call a retarded
monkey.