Kawaguchi Station: Beware of Police checks on all foreigners not looking Japanese.
Elbow
afternoon in the Kawaguchi Police Station. Why?
Because Im a gaijin and I didnt happen to have my ID!
I got stopped because apparently 'gaijins have been
doing bad things around Kawaguchi Station' and their
response was to stop every single gaijin and ask for
ID. I hadnt bothered to bring mine as I was just out
to pick up my Japan Times.
What utter f*ckwits. Surely there is a law against
this bullshit?
I got the coppers names and IDs and also I got him to
write down the reason why I was stopped, which at
first he said was too difficult , I had told him to
write this in Japanese! Too difficult in Japanese?
After he managed to get hold of my wife (she gave him
some advice) we arranged that he would call and I
would give him my details over the phone.
As I left the Cop Shop I went to get my paper and saw
3 coppers escorting another gaijin to the cop shop.
Is this legal? Anyone else had similar shit happen to
them?
Would appreciate some comments or just plain old
ranting (insert horse).
Elbow
David Van Cleef
> I spent 40 mins of my precious birthday yesterday
> afternoon in the Kawaguchi Police Station. Why?
> Because Im a gaijin and I didnt happen to have my ID!
>
>
> Is this legal? Anyone else had similar shit happen to
> them?
>
Much as I hate to toot the guy's horn, Dave Aldwinckle has a well-
researched write-up of ones legal rights when in this situation on
his website.
http://www.debito.org/instantcheckpoints2.html
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Murgi
> this bullshit?
> Is this legal? Anyone else had similar shit happen to
> them?
Elbow,
Yes there is a law, and you are lucky that they didn't throw you in the
slammer until things are sorted out.
When I got my last gaijin card, I also received a small printed note that
clearly stated that I was required to carry the card with me all the time!
You seem to be new here in Japan... You are lucky that your wife or
girlfriend was explaining.
Yes, it's very legal, and I know cases where guys were held in custody for 3
days since it was a weekend.
Asking the policeman for his ID, etc., isn't very wise when you are clearly
the violator. Never mind how silly it may sound. Being friendly and
"remorseful" is the trick that usually works.
I was tackled twice by them since the guy wanted a private English lesson.
I am neither native English, nor have I any teaching experience...:-)
It's amazing than someone can talk for 2 hours about a bloody ID card!
Sigi
Haluk Skywalker
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> ...
>
> Is this legal? Anyone else had similar shit happen to
> them?
>
> Would appreciate some comments or just plain old
> ranting (insert horse).
>
> Elbow
Legal? Which one? What they did or what you didn't? What they did was
perfectly legal.
Why be a dick? Why not to present them the card or if for some reason you
left the card behind why not to explain them politely? There are many ihou
taizai in Japan and that alone is reasonable grounds for them to ask you
your gaikokujintourokushoumeishou. What are the odds:
Policeman: Gaikokujintourokushoumeshou puriiizu
You: You show me your ID first.
P: Fine, here, Now gaikokujintourokushoumeshou puriiizu
Y: Errr, I don't have it, I musta left behind
P: Why do you be such a dick than
Y: Well, I'z reading this guy's internet page that listed my rights and
stuff...err... I did made sense than, but... nevermind
P: Come with me to kouban please
Michael Cash
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>I spent 40 mins of my precious birthday yesterday
>afternoon in the Kawaguchi Police Station. Why?
>Because Im a gaijin and I didnt happen to have my ID!
>
>I got stopped because apparently 'gaijins have been
>doing bad things around Kawaguchi Station' and their
>response was to stop every single gaijin and ask for
>ID. I hadnt bothered to bring mine as I was just out
>to pick up my Japan Times.
>What utter f*ckwits. Surely there is a law against
>this bullshit?
Carry your fucking card as you are required to do by law and you can
avoid this sort of inconvenience.
>I got the coppers names and IDs and also I got him to
>write down the reason why I was stopped, which at
>first he said was too difficult , I had told him to
>write this in Japanese! Too difficult in Japanese?
>After he managed to get hold of my wife (she gave him
>some advice) we arranged that he would call and I
>would give him my details over the phone.
>
>As I left the Cop Shop I went to get my paper and saw
>3 coppers escorting another gaijin to the cop shop.
>
>Is this legal?
Detaining someone who is in violation of the law, as you were, is
certainly legal.
>Anyone else had similar shit happen to
>them?
No. But then, The only time I don't have my card with me is when going
to the 7-11 100 meters from my home.
>
>Would appreciate some comments or just plain old
>ranting (insert horse).
Uhhhh......obey the law?
--
Michael Cash
"I am sorry, Mr. Cash, but we are unable to accept your rap sheet in lieu of
a high school transcript."
Dr. Howard Sprague
Dean of Admissions
Mount Pilot College
Brett Robson
> to pick up my Japan Times.
On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 19:19:36 +0900, Michael Cash ...
>
>No. But then, The only time I don't have my card with me is when going
>to the 7-11 100 meters from my home.
Sounds like that is exactly what he was doing.
.
----
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They have a fight
and Triangle Man wins
John W.
> Is this legal? Anyone else had similar shit happen to
> them?
>
> Would appreciate some comments or just plain old
> ranting (insert horse).
>
birthday perhaps it's a bit blown out of proportion; but you have no
legal reason to gripe. I suggest putting your ID card in your wallet
and carry it with you at all times, as the law says you need to do.
And yes, it's happened to me. But I had my ID card.
John W.
Michael Cash
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>>On 16 Mar 2004 23:02:19 -0800, tokyo...@totalise.co.uk (Elbow)
>>
>> I hadnt bothered to bring mine as I was just out
>> to pick up my Japan Times.
>
>
>On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 19:19:36 +0900, Michael Cash ...
>>
>>No. But then, The only time I don't have my card with me is when going
>>to the 7-11 100 meters from my home.
>
>
>Sounds like that is exactly what he was doing.
Difference is: cops hang around train stations in urban areas. They
*don't* hang around between my apartment and the 7-11 in this hick
burg.
Michael Cash
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>tokyo...@totalise.co.uk (Elbow) wrote in message news:<515ab8e4.04031...@posting.google.com>...
I think in three trips to Japan, I have been asked for my card
precisely one time...and even that is only a very very vague
recollection. So vague that I'm not even sure it actually happened.
Murgi
> some advice) we arranged that he would call and I
> would give him my details over the phone.
ROTFL!
Your Japanese wife gave the policeman "some advice"?!
She was probably very apologetic to keep the damage bearable. Women won't
talk tough to the police. If I was the cop, you'd have learned it the hard
way. Cops are very allergic when being asked questions for IDs and such,
when they are 100% right...
Louise Bremner
> On 17 Mar 2004 10:35:05 -0800, worth...@yahoo.com (John W.) brought
> down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
>
> >tokyo...@totalise.co.uk (Elbow) wrote in message
> > news:<515ab8e4.04031...@posting.google.com>...
> >> Is this legal? Anyone else had similar shit happen to
> >> them?
> >>
> >> Would appreciate some comments or just plain old
> >> ranting (insert horse).
> >>
> >As others have pointed out you actually got lucky. Because it was your
> >birthday perhaps it's a bit blown out of proportion; but you have no
> >legal reason to gripe. I suggest putting your ID card in your wallet
> >and carry it with you at all times, as the law says you need to do.
> >
> >And yes, it's happened to me. But I had my ID card.
>
> I think in three trips to Japan, I have been asked for my card
> precisely one time...and even that is only a very very vague
> recollection. So vague that I'm not even sure it actually happened.
I've only been stopped once, on my first trip (it's possible that the
two cops passing us in their car thought it odd to see a couple of
gaigin scruffs walking through a posh area of Itami, or maybe they was
just curious to see what an ARC looks like--except that it was a book
then).
As it happened, we did have our cards with us and I would have forgotten
about the experience except that I thought it'd be something vaguely
interesting to mention at Japanese school the next day. Oh boy was it
interesting--most of the other students were asian and had some horrific
first- and second-hand tales to tell of being held for long periods by
police for not having their ARCs with them.
Elbow was lucky.
________________________________________________________________________
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> On 17 Mar 2004 10:35:05 -0800, worth...@yahoo.com (John W.) brought
> down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
>
> >tokyo...@totalise.co.uk (Elbow) wrote in message news:<515ab8e4.04031...@posting.google.com>...
> >> Is this legal? Anyone else had similar shit happen to
> >> them?
> >>
> >> Would appreciate some comments or just plain old
> >> ranting (insert horse).
> >>
> >As others have pointed out you actually got lucky. Because it was your
> >birthday perhaps it's a bit blown out of proportion; but you have no
> >legal reason to gripe. I suggest putting your ID card in your wallet
> >and carry it with you at all times, as the law says you need to do.
> >
> >And yes, it's happened to me. But I had my ID card.
>
> I think in three trips to Japan, I have been asked for my card
> precisely one time...and even that is only a very very vague
> recollection. So vague that I'm not even sure it actually happened.
>
Happened to me twice, actually. Once in Osaka (or maybe Kobe; memory's
fuzzy) late at night coming home after a class. The guy was very nice
about it, seemed almost shy about asking me, actually. The first time,
though, was when I first arrived in Japan the first time; an officer
came up to me in the parking lot of Narita airport as I was getting
into my friend's car. He had to go to some effort to get to me,
actually. I was impressed. In retrospect it would have been
interesting had he made a big deal out of it, since my friend is/was a
reporter for Fuji News.
John W.
mtfe...@netmapsonscape.net
>> After he managed to get hold of my wife (she gave him
>> some advice) we arranged that he would call and I
>> would give him my details over the phone.
> ROTFL!
> Your Japanese wife gave the policeman "some advice"?!
> She was probably very apologetic to keep the damage bearable. Women won't
> talk tough to the police.
Oh REALLY???????
Mike
Murgi
> > Your Japanese wife gave the policeman "some advice"?!
> > She was probably very apologetic to keep the damage bearable. Women
won't
> > talk tough to the police.
>
> Oh REALLY???????
I haven't experienced tough talking JAPANESE women when having a chat with
the police in 24 years!
Maybe you refer to the woman from New Zealand who slapped a policeman (was
discussed here at length).
If not, please tell your story.
Sigi
mtfe...@netmapsonscape.net
> Michael Cash <bugg...@fake.com> wrote:
>> I think in three trips to Japan, I have been asked for my card
>> precisely one time...and even that is only a very very vague
>> recollection. So vague that I'm not even sure it actually happened.
> As it happened, we did have our cards with us and I would have forgotten
> about the experience except that I thought it'd be something vaguely
> interesting to mention at Japanese school the next day. Oh boy was it
> interesting--most of the other students were asian and had some horrific
> first- and second-hand tales to tell of being held for long periods by
> police for not having their ARCs with them.
> Elbow was lucky.
No, he probably just didn't do the right thing.
(Of course, the following doesn't apply if you don't speak Japanese,
but...)
I've been stopped twice, once in Shibuya on my way to work, and once in
Sapporo. I think of my four times without the card (including trips to
the corner 7-11 for ice cream), they got me half the time. Both times,
it took about 2-3 minutes of me apologizing, telling them the card was
back in my apartment in Inogashira, and if there was any information
they needed, I'd be more than happy to supply it. In return, I got
a mild admonition, compliments on my Japanese, and some pro-forma
questions concerning what I thought of Japan.
They never even told me to make sure I carry it at all times.
Mike
cc
"Elbow" <tokyo...@totalise.co.uk> wrote in message
> I got stopped because apparently 'gaijins have been
> doing bad things around Kawaguchi Station' and their
> response was to stop every single gaijin and ask for
> ID.
Do you read newspapers sometimes ? There was a sort of incident in Madrid
the other day. In a station, it seems. If you walk in the street with your
chistera in hand, it's not logical they supect you of being a Basque
separatist ?
Probably, to do well, they should ask everybody's ID and check all the bags.
That's what they are doing in Paris (probably thanks to that the bombs
didn't explode there too). You don't mean the Japanese cops should believe
the ETA BS version and pretend Japan is not targeted ?
> Is this legal? Anyone else had similar shit happen to
> them?
You should try this in London. It's even better there, they will take you to
their place even if you have your ausweis...to check it's really you on the
photo and you are still alive.
> Would appreciate some comments or just plain old
> ranting (insert horse).
The English would have kept you a couple of years in the cell with the Irish
suspected of being Irish. That'd be excessive, but I really think the
Japanese police was very kind with you.
They could legally make you pay a fine (a few man) and kept you in jail a
couple of days for breaking the law (at least once for not carrying your ID,
and maybe twice for not being cooperative with cops on duty). I'd have kept
you one night and I'd have given your dear wife advice about where she can
find a bengoshi. They are problably too busy these days.
I don't know who you think you are. Anybody can forget his/her ID, but the
least would be to apologize, given the situation.
CC
Louise Bremner
Yup.
But it's possible you skipped over a key word in my post?
>
> They never even told me to make sure I carry it at all times.
mtfe...@netmapsonscape.net
>> > ROTFL!
>> > Your Japanese wife gave the policeman "some advice"?!
>> > She was probably very apologetic to keep the damage bearable. Women
> won't
>> > talk tough to the police.
>>
>> Oh REALLY???????
> I haven't experienced tough talking JAPANESE women when having a chat with
> the police in 24 years!
> Maybe you refer to the woman from New Zealand who slapped a policeman (was
I don't see how I'd mistake New Zealand for Japan, when I've never even
been to the former.
> discussed here at length).
No, I refer to (among others) a woman in Hibaya screaming at a cop for
stopping her from jay-walking, a woman Koganei yelling at a cop for
stopping her boyfriend from riding his motorcycle without a helmet,
and a few other times I've walked by without waiting around for the
details.
> If not, please tell your story.
Several, actually.
Mike
mtfe...@netmapsonscape.net
> <mtfe...@netMAPSONscape.net> wrote:
>> (Of course, the following doesn't apply if you don't speak Japanese,
>> but...)
>>
>> I've been stopped twice, once in Shibuya on my way to work, and once in
>> Sapporo. I think of my four times without the card (including trips to
>> the corner 7-11 for ice cream), they got me half the time. Both times,
>> it took about 2-3 minutes of me apologizing, telling them the card was
>> back in my apartment in Inogashira, and if there was any information
>> they needed, I'd be more than happy to supply it. In return, I got
>> a mild admonition, compliments on my Japanese, and some pro-forma
>> questions concerning what I thought of Japan.
> Yup.
> But it's possible you skipped over a key word in my post?
If you mean "asian", no I didn't skip it. I know of 2 other Asians
who were stopped; one was a Chinese national who spoke Japanese but
wasn't a resident. He explained he was there on business and had left
his passport in the hotel. The cops accepted that, and went on their
way. The other was an American ni/san/something-sei who left her
card at home while teaching English in someplace near Niigata. They
let her go when she couldn't speak that much Japanese, but figured out
she was American.
Mike
Steve Sundberg
wrote:
>
>I think in three trips to Japan, I have been asked for my card
>precisely one time...and even that is only a very very vague
>recollection. So vague that I'm not even sure it actually happened.
My one and only experience between 1970-1977 happened in 1975. The cop
who stopped me was almost horrified that I didn't have my card on me;
he later said all he wanted to do was practice his English. <grin>
Wound up being driven home to pick up my card AND my passport, then
driven to Aoyama police station where I was directed to write three
letters of apology to the government. Completely my mistake,
compounded by the fact I was walking home at 2 a.m. past Sendagaya-eki
after the Red Army had blown up a trash can with a small explosive
earlier that evening.
Murgi
> compounded by the fact I was walking home at 2 a.m. past Sendagaya-eki
> after the Red Army had blown up a trash can with a small explosive
> earlier that evening.
Only very stupid terrorists would return to the place where they exploded a
bomb an hour before...
Michael Cash
brought down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
>Completely my mistake,
Their suspicions were quite natural. After all, we all know that
Japanese are peace-loving people who value "wa" above all else. It
MUST be the gaigins who exploded the trash can.
Michael Cash
brought down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
>> After he managed to get hold of my wife (she gave him
From last year, they have individual identification numbers on what
passes for a badge in this country. You'll never see a name tag on a
Japanese cop, but if it's a uniformed officer you can at least make
note of that number in case you want/need to specifically single the
guy/gal out later on for some reason.
Brett Robson
>
>On 17 Mar 2004 04:06:08 -0800, Brett Robson <jet...@deja.com> brought
>down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
>
>>>On 16 Mar 2004 23:02:19 -0800, tokyo...@totalise.co.uk (Elbow)
>>>
>>> I hadnt bothered to bring mine as I was just out
>>> to pick up my Japan Times.
>>
>>
>>On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 19:19:36 +0900, Michael Cash ...
>>>
>>>No. But then, The only time I don't have my card with me is when going
>>>to the 7-11 100 meters from my home.
>>
>>
>>Sounds like that is exactly what he was doing.
>
>Difference is: cops hang around train stations in urban areas. They
>*don't* hang around between my apartment and the 7-11 in this hick
>burg.
>
You'll be sorry one day.
/
Michael Cash
down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
>On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 04:05:11 +0900, Michael Cash ...
>>
>>On 17 Mar 2004 04:06:08 -0800, Brett Robson <jet...@deja.com> brought
>>down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
>>
>>>>On 16 Mar 2004 23:02:19 -0800, tokyo...@totalise.co.uk (Elbow)
>>>>
>>>> I hadnt bothered to bring mine as I was just out
>>>> to pick up my Japan Times.
>>>
>>>
>>>On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 19:19:36 +0900, Michael Cash ...
>>>>
>>>>No. But then, The only time I don't have my card with me is when going
>>>>to the 7-11 100 meters from my home.
>>>
>>>
>>>Sounds like that is exactly what he was doing.
>>
>>Difference is: cops hang around train stations in urban areas. They
>>*don't* hang around between my apartment and the 7-11 in this hick
>>burg.
>>
>
>You'll be sorry one day.
That I don't have the card then? Or that there isn't a cop between
here and there?
Chris Kern
posted the following:
>Their suspicions were quite natural. After all, we all know that
>Japanese are peace-loving people who value "wa" above all else. It
>MUST be the gaigins who exploded the trash can.
That'll teach them to leave trash cans sitting out on the street.
They should be moved to locked buildings where they will be safer.
-Chris
another fool
that they don`t stop me.
In 40 odd trips and living here almost 10 months I have never once
been asked for my passport/card outside customs and immigration at the
airport.
Even the guys guarding the street up to the US Embassy the other day
didn`t bother me for one - although one of them did run along behind
me for a while saying "sumimasen" over and over until someone who
spoke english asked where I was going ;)
Brett Robson
>
>On 18 Mar 2004 05:44:25 -0800, Brett Robson <jet...@deja.com> brought
>down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
>
>>On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 04:05:11 +0900, Michael Cash ...
>>>
>>>On 17 Mar 2004 04:06:08 -0800, Brett Robson <jet...@deja.com> brought
>>>down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
>>>
>>>>>On 16 Mar 2004 23:02:19 -0800, tokyo...@totalise.co.uk (Elbow)
>>>>>
>>>>> I hadnt bothered to bring mine as I was just out
>>>>> to pick up my Japan Times.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 19:19:36 +0900, Michael Cash ...
>>>>>
>>>>>No. But then, The only time I don't have my card with me is when going
>>>>>to the 7-11 100 meters from my home.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sounds like that is exactly what he was doing.
>>>
>>>Difference is: cops hang around train stations in urban areas. They
>>>*don't* hang around between my apartment and the 7-11 in this hick
>>>burg.
>>>
>>
>>You'll be sorry one day.
>
>That I don't have the card then? Or that there isn't a cop between
>here and there?
>
I'm going to report you using the anon immigration web site, but it's ying yong
so I have to get Ryan to get his wife to help me.
.
----
Triangle Man hates Person Man
They have a fight,
Triangle wins.
Elbow
You dont know my wife mate.
She has had a fair amount of past dealings with Police and there would
be more chance of crapping in the queens handbag than her saying sorry
to a Policeboy.
Also, I only ranted this cos in 8 yrs Ive been stopped 2 times and was
rather pissed at it being on my birthday.
Also I wanted to vent at the fact we have to carry ID at all and also
getting stopped based solely on my race.
Its just a shock to be treated like this, it was a new experience and
I have learnt a valid lesson. Carry your ID with you.
Thanks for all your heart warming replies.
Elbow
> I don't know who you think you are. Anybody can forget his/her ID, but the
> least would be to apologize, given the situation.
>
> CC
When I was stopped I told them I was just getting a paper and sorry Id
forgotten my card. I told them I was British when asked. I have been
using that Station for almost 2 years and stupidly hoped to be treated
like a human being.
Dont think this is an attack on Japanese, its an attack on the law
that allows this.
If I was a terrorist surely I wouldnt forget my ID would I?
IMHO The law stinks.
Brett Robson
Guess who was out all weekend without his gaigin card?
I took it out of my wallet Friday and forgot to put it back in. I discovered it
Sunday night.
Louise Bremner
> Guess who was out all weekend without his gaigin card?
>
> I took it out of my wallet Friday and forgot to put it back in. I
> discovered it Sunday night.
You naughty, naughty boy.... Go down to the koban right now and
apologise.
Ryan Ginstrom
> Also, I only ranted this cos in 8 yrs Ive been stopped 2 times and was
> rather pissed at it being on my birthday.
> Also I wanted to vent at the fact we have to carry ID at all and also
> getting stopped based solely on my race.
Basically you wanted some sympathy, which you didn't get. Probably due to
wording like this:
"What utter f*ckwits. Surely there is a law against this bullshit?"
Statements about Japan made out of ignorance like this are like blood in the
water. I admit, however, being a bit surprised that you got more shit than
the dude who is letting his wife beat his kids.
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Jean-Marc Desperrier
> [...] Also I wanted to vent at the fact we have to carry ID at all and also
> getting stopped based solely on my race.
Where are you from ?
Are you sure the very same thing doesn't happen all the time in your own
country for peoples who are members of some visible minority ?
John W.
> Also, I only ranted this cos in 8 yrs Ive been stopped 2 times and was
> rather pissed at it being on my birthday.
> Also I wanted to vent at the fact we have to carry ID at all and also
> getting stopped based solely on my race.
> Its just a shock to be treated like this, it was a new experience and
> I have learnt a valid lesson. Carry your ID with you.
Only two times in eight years? Jeez, I know Americans that get asked
more in the US in a single year. No matter where you live you're more
or less required to carry ID with you, or face at the least a hassle
should you be asked to produce it.
John W.
Declan Murphy
> Brett Robson <jet...@deja.com> wrote:
>
>>Guess who was out all weekend without his gaigin card?
>>
>>I took it out of my wallet Friday and forgot to put it back in. I
>>discovered it Sunday night.
>
> You naughty, naughty boy.... Go down to the koban right now and
> apologise.
I went down to the Koban the other day without my gaigin card. I'd
accidently left my keitai on the bus and a nice oyaji left it at the
local copshop thingee. I didn't realize until I got in there and was
doing the paperwork that I didn't have it on me, and while we were
bantering away about the weather just used my driver's licence. PC Plod
didn't ask for it so....
--
"Oh don't give me none more of that Old Janx Spirit/ No, don't you give
me none more of that Old Janx Spirit/ For my head will fly, my tongue
will lie, my eyes will fry and I may die/ Won't you pour me one more of
that sinful Old Janx Spirit"
Hibijibi
> Only two times in eight years? Jeez, I know Americans that get asked
> more in the US in a single year. No matter where you live you're more
> or less required to carry ID with you, or face at the least a hassle
> should you be asked to produce it.
Yes, but are you legally required to give it up to the cop?
That is the question to be decided by the US Supreme Court:
www.nytimes.com/2004/03/23/politics/23SCOT.html
I say "no".
best
hibijibi
Murgi
>
> That is the question to be decided by the US Supreme Court:
>
> www.nytimes.com/2004/03/23/politics/23SCOT.html
>
>
> I say "no".
>
No idea about the USA, but if a cop asks you to produce your ID, you'll have
to comply or get arrested...
I mean, he'll hand it back unless you are on the wanted list.
Here in Japan and assumingly elsewhere it's a clear YES!
Sigi
Michael Cash
brought down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
>>
If you had made that the theme of your original post, you would have
gotten far more sympathetic responses.
Elbow
> If you had made that the theme of your original post, you would have
> gotten far more sympathetic responses.
>
> Michael Cash
>
Yes I do realise that now but at the heat of the moment I felt the need to
spurt frenzy ramblings at anyone nearby. :)
Its amazing how you can happily live here for such a long time like I have
and something like this incident can roll back the years and get my really
upset.
I now think I understand what its like to be an ethnic minority back home.