Racisme
Tarik
poeple are somehow raceist with Foreign poeple. I'm am born in
Belgium, my mother is Tunisian and my dad morrocan (If it helps to
know my nationality). I will go there to work, and I do not want to
feel uncomfortable because of my nationality, will I ?I will learn
Japanese, I will soonly take a 3 year class 4 hours a day 5/7 .I
really plan to go work there...but if there is too many trouble I will
forget the whole thing, as I hate being victim of racists and
certainly if I encounter those problems in the company I will apply
for.I knew that the biggest problem will be to find accomodation, I do
not have a "color",but we never know.Are *most* of the poeple there
racists? Will they accept me as a normal person (in the company) ??
Unfortunatly if this is not the case my childhood dream will fall and
I will be really dissapointed, I have a really positive view of
Japanese poeple, I really love their culture and what they creat.The
positive view might change :(
Michael Cash
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>Hi there.
Hello.
>I will go to Japan soonly, and I'd like to know if Japanese
>poeple are somehow raceist with Foreign poeple.
Some are. Some are not.
>I'm am born in
>Belgium, my mother is Tunisian and my dad morrocan (If it helps to
>know my nationality). I will go there to work, and I do not want to
>feel uncomfortable because of my nationality, will I ?
For a while, you probably will. Either you will learn to be
comfortable with it, or you will get disgusted and leave.
>I will learn
>Japanese, I will soonly take a 3 year class 4 hours a day 5/7 .I
>really plan to go work there...but if there is too many trouble I will
>forget the whole thing,
If you are the type to give up before you even start, then perhaps
that would be best.
>as I hate being victim of racists
Nobody enjoys it. Fortunately, in Japan most racism is rather benign.
In other words, it rarely comes in the form of physical threats or
violence. Housing and workplace discrimination are more common.
>and
>certainly if I encounter those problems in the company I will apply
>for.I knew that the biggest problem will be to find accomodation,
That can be a problem sometimes. However, one never sees homeless
foreigners in Japan. Although the process can be irritating sometimes,
we all seem to end up with accomodations in the end. Don't worry too
much about that part.
>I do
>not have a "color",but we never know.Are *most* of the poeple there
>racists?
I don't know if "racism" is really the appropriate word to describe it
if we are talking about "most" people. Most people have very little or
no real contact with foreigners, but practically *everyone* has some
ideas, preconceptions, and stereotyped views about foreigners. Mostly
it is harmless. Sometimes it is amusing. Sometimes it is irritating.
>Will they accept me as a normal person (in the company) ??
That depends on the work you do, the company you are in, and the
people in that company. It is impossible to predict at this point.
>Unfortunatly if this is not the case my childhood dream will fall and
>I will be really dissapointed, I have a really positive view of
>Japanese poeple,
That is because you have never lived here.
>I really love their culture and what they creat.The
>positive view might change :(
The only thing I can 100% guarantee is that your view *will* change.
Unfortunately, I can not predict in which direction, what manner, or
to what degree it will change.
--
Michael Cash
"I am Elmer J. Fudd, millionaire. I own a mansion and a yacht."
Elmer J. Fudd
Millionaire
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> On 13 Jun 2003 04:40:48 -0700, kyo_...@hotmail.com (Tarik) belched
> the alphabet and kept on going with:
>
>
> foreigners in Japan. Although the process can be irritating sometimes,
> we all seem to end up with accomodations in the end. Don't worry too
> much about that part.
>
They do exist, apparently. Homeless foreigners that is. When I recently
dropped off the entire contents of my closet - from circa 1996 - at the
Salvation Army in the center of Tokyo their told me there were quite a few
'large, foreign, homeless' -types who would benefit from my extra-fat sized
garments.
I guess you learn something new every day! Unless you're enrolled at NOVA.
jonathan
mtfe...@netscape.net
> Hi there. I will go to Japan soonly, and I'd like to know if Japanese
> poeple are somehow raceist with Foreign poeple. I'm am born in
You will be a victim of racism. It's not quite as bad as you might
think, but you will be discriminated against in terms of housing, and
being admitted to certain places.
Don't worry about it. Most foreigners adapt to it.
> Belgium, my mother is Tunisian and my dad morrocan (If it helps to
> know my nationality). I will go there to work, and I do not want to
> feel uncomfortable because of my nationality, will I ?I will learn
> Japanese, I will soonly take a 3 year class 4 hours a day 5/7 .I
> really plan to go work there...but if there is too many trouble I will
> forget the whole thing, as I hate being victim of racists and
> certainly if I encounter those problems in the company I will apply
> for.I knew that the biggest problem will be to find accomodation, I do
> not have a "color",but we never know.Are *most* of the poeple there
> racists? Will they accept me as a normal person (in the company) ??
Not for awhile. You'll be a curiosity for quite sometime.
> Unfortunatly if this is not the case my childhood dream will fall and
> I will be really dissapointed, I have a really positive view of
> Japanese poeple, I really love their culture and what they creat.The
> positive view might change :(
They're nice people. They are not a nation of saints. If it's your dream, by
all means, go. You'll enjoy it, but simply prepare yourself for some problems.
Mike
Kaz
> think, but you will be discriminated against in terms of housing,
Things about housing may not be racism. Japanese landlords are afraid
of if their housings for rent would be messed up by those non-Japanese
who don't know the Japanese life style. Japanese are extremely nervous
about people entering a house with shoes on, onto Tatami rooms or wood
floors. and unfortunately, Westerners are considered as typical people
who don't take off their shoes conventionally by the Japanese.
Nevertheless, I think those who refuse to rent out their housings to
non-Japanese would be rarely seen in the outside of Tokyo region. The
Japanese outside of Tokyo, especially rural area, or provincial cities
are rather tend to welcome foreigners, especially Westerners for their
international cultural exchange or something.
Rindler Sigurd
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> > think, but you will be discriminated against in terms of housing,
>
> Things about housing may not be racism. Japanese landlords are afraid
> of if their housings for rent would be messed up by those non-Japanese
Very true, but... I have seen where a deal was 99% completed until the
Japanese lady had to present her ID card. It turned out that she was born
and raised in Japan with Korean nationality. The appartment was then
suddenly not available anymore. The estate agent doesn't usually mind since
he wants his commission. In this case he was the landlord himself.
Similar stories can be heard all over...
Now it gets a bit easier since there are so many empty appartments in the
area.
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> non-Japanese would be rarely seen in the outside of Tokyo region.
I'm with you on this one, Kaz. I have never experienced any sort of
discrimination living in Japan, housing or otherwise. All those times that
landlords refused to rent to me, it was because they thought I would wear
shoes in the house!
And to think all the trouble I could have saved if I could have just
communicated to them that I don't wear shoes in the house. This must be that
irony thingy that those Commonwealth foreigners like so much.
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Ryan Ginstrom
"Tarik" <kyo_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi there. I will go to Japan soonly, and I'd like to know if Japanese
> poeple are somehow raceist with Foreign poeple. I'm am born in
If it's your dream, go for it. What's the worst that could happen? You won't
like it and you'll go home. But if you don't come, you'll have to spend the
rest of your life wondering.
Some Japanese language study before coming over would definitely be a good
start. Bring over an open mind, and don't try to read racism into everything
you see.
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Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
mtfe...@netscape.net
> mtfe...@netscape.net wrote in message news:<bccp8n$i8a$2...@news.Stanford.EDU>...
>> think, but you will be discriminated against in terms of housing,
> Things about housing may not be racism. Japanese landlords are afraid
> of if their housings for rent would be messed up by those non-Japanese
> who don't know the Japanese life style. Japanese are extremely nervous
> about people entering a house with shoes on, onto Tatami rooms or wood
> floors. and unfortunately, Westerners are considered as typical people
I've seen Japanese do that at their own apartments.
> who don't take off their shoes conventionally by the Japanese.
Sorry, that's what the security deposit covers.
> Nevertheless, I think those who refuse to rent out their housings to
> non-Japanese would be rarely seen in the outside of Tokyo region. The
Actually, they're quite common in Osaka.
Mike
Michael Cash
<gins...@hotmail.com> belched the alphabet and kept on going with:
>don't try to read racism into everything
>you see.
Oh....I dunno 'bout dat. At least one guy is making a pretty nice
career out of doing just that.
Ryan Ginstrom
> On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 12:44:49 +0900, "Ryan Ginstrom"
> <gins...@hotmail.com> belched the alphabet and kept on going with:
>
> >don't try to read racism into everything
> >you see.
>
>
> Oh....I dunno 'bout dat. At least one guy is making a pretty nice
> career out of doing just that.
He asked us, he didn't ask on Dave's fan club ML.
Of course, if you enjoy seeing racism in a sign that says "おかえりなさい /
Welcome to Japan" then knock yourself out, I always say.
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Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
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> On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 12:44:49 +0900, "Ryan Ginstrom"
> <gins...@hotmail.com> belched the alphabet and kept on going with:
>
>
>>don't try to read racism into everything
>>you see.
>
> Oh....I dunno 'bout dat. At least one guy is making a pretty nice
> career out of doing just that.
So is Debito the Al Sharpton of gaijin?
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John W.
> Michael Cash wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 12:44:49 +0900, "Ryan Ginstrom"
> > <gins...@hotmail.com> belched the alphabet and kept on going with:
> >
> >
> >>don't try to read racism into everything
> >>you see.
> >
> > Oh....I dunno 'bout dat. At least one guy is making a pretty nice
> > career out of doing just that.
>
> So is Debito the Al Sharpton of gaijin?
Yes, without the credentials.
John W.
Michael Cash
belched the alphabet and kept on going with:
>Michael Cash wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 12:44:49 +0900, "Ryan Ginstrom"
>> <gins...@hotmail.com> belched the alphabet and kept on going with:
>>
>>
>>>don't try to read racism into everything
>>>you see.
>>
>> Oh....I dunno 'bout dat. At least one guy is making a pretty nice
>> career out of doing just that.
>
>So is Debito the Al Sharpton of gaijin?
I used to think so. The difference is that over the years my opinion
of Al Sharpton has moved upward.
Kaz
> "Kaz" <k...@ivebeenframed.com> wrote in message
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> > mtfe...@netscape.net wrote in message
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> >
> > > think, but you will be discriminated against in terms of housing,
> >
> > Things about housing may not be racism. Japanese landlords are afraid
> > of if their housings for rent would be messed up by those non-Japanese
> > who don't know the Japanese life style....
>
>
> Very true, but... I have seen where a deal was 99% completed until the
> Japanese lady had to present her ID card. It turned out that she was born
> and raised in Japan with Korean nationality. The appartment was then
> suddenly not available anymore. The estate agent doesn't usually mind since
> he wants his commission. In this case he was the landlord himself.
> Similar stories can be heard all over...
> Now it gets a bit easier since there are so many empty appartments in the
> area.
I think the Korean's case is different from other gaijin's case.
Outspokenly speaking, Japanese landlords usually don't prefer to rent
out to Zainichi Koreans probably because:
1: They cook garlic so often and the Japanese are still not accustomed
to such smell in the air so other tenants will complain it.
2: They just want to avoid creating any sort of trouble between
Koreans who have some sort of extreme attitudes against the Japanese.
Incidentally, those who get refused to rent apartments are not only
foreigners or Zainichi Koreans but also those Japanese women who work
for such a entertainment business or hostess business. Because hours
they work and their life styles are often opposite from those of
ordinary folks, and her neighbor tenants often complain about her
making noise in the middle of nights.
Brett Robson
>
> Because hours
>they work and their life styles are often opposite from those of
>ordinary folks, and her neighbor tenants often complain about her
>making noise in the middle of nights.
Sounds like my apartment. At least one girl comes and goes at regular intervals.
---
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offending non-Christians." - Ben Shapiro 27/2/2003
another fool
I don't know - the housing situation here is pretty open (lots of
places for sale and rent). And we hit it both in one house we were
interested in and the one we eventually rented.
In case #1 when they found out that a foriegner was inquiring about
the house they said they didn't want me because they were looking for
a 'long term lease' - when asked if 3 years wasn't 'long term' the
landlord said 'no I'm looking for someone for 5+ years'. The realtors
told us this had only become a problem when he found out I wasn't
Japanese.
In case #2 the house we eventually leased the landlord wanted copies
of our passport picture pages. We faxed them over and the landlord
wanted copies that were lighter since he couldn't see our faces. When
we asked the realtor they just sort of apologized that he was afraid I
might be black. I wasn't really thrilled (and after getting here and
finding out the AC's they told us were working DON'T I'm less
thrilled) but I needed someplace to stay - and the house is
inexpensive and will let us keep the insane feline.
Kaz
> Kaz <k...@ivebeenframed.com> wrote:
> > mtfe...@netscape.net wrote in message news:<bccp8n$i8a$2...@news.Stanford.EDU>...
>
> >> think, but you will be discriminated against in terms of housing,
>
> > Things about housing may not be racism. Japanese landlords are afraid
> > of if their housings for rent would be messed up by those non-Japanese
> > who don't know the Japanese life style. Japanese are extremely nervous
> > about people entering a house with shoes on, onto Tatami rooms or wood
> > floors. and unfortunately, Westerners are considered as typical people
>
> I've seen Japanese do that at their own apartments.
I guess those are your gaijin-wannabe stupid young Japanese friends.
> > who don't take off their shoes conventionally by the Japanese.
>
> Sorry, that's what the security deposit covers.
Landlords always want to keep them without actually fixing.
> > Nevertheless, I think those who refuse to rent out their housings to
> > non-Japanese would be rarely seen in the outside of Tokyo region. The
>
> Actually, they're quite common in Osaka.
Never heard of it.
John W.
I've been refused in Osaka, several times. Actually, that's one reason
we settled on living Kobe; it was too much trouble to find a
landlord/agent in Osaka that would rent to us.
John W.
mtfe...@netscape.net
> mtfe...@netscape.net wrote in message news:<bcec2o$avj$1...@news.Stanford.EDU>...
>> Kaz <k...@ivebeenframed.com> wrote:
>> > mtfe...@netscape.net wrote in message news:<bccp8n$i8a$2...@news.Stanford.EDU>...
>> >> think, but you will be discriminated against in terms of housing,
>> > Things about housing may not be racism. Japanese landlords are afraid
>> > of if their housings for rent would be messed up by those non-Japanese
>> > who don't know the Japanese life style. Japanese are extremely nervous
>> > about people entering a house with shoes on, onto Tatami rooms or wood
>> > floors. and unfortunately, Westerners are considered as typical people
>> I've seen Japanese do that at their own apartments.
> I guess those are your gaijin-wannabe stupid young Japanese friends.
Your guesses are as good as your geography: btw, where IS the "kinai" again?
>> > who don't take off their shoes conventionally by the Japanese.
>>
>> Sorry, that's what the security deposit covers.
> Landlords always want to keep them without actually fixing.
I got mine back; you're not doing well Kaz, ol' sod.
>> > Nevertheless, I think those who refuse to rent out their housings to
>> > non-Japanese would be rarely seen in the outside of Tokyo region. The
>>
>> Actually, they're quite common in Osaka.
> Never heard of it.
I'm not surprised; sound doesn't travel well in a vacuum.
Mike
Kaz
What I heard from a Canadian guy in Kobe is that Westerners don't like
those un-Westernized, Asian type, the "ni**er-like" Osakans of typical
Kansaijin so they tend to avoid residing in Osaka.
Nevertheless, I know some Italians residing in Osaka. Maybe Italians
like Osaka kind of atmosphere.
Declan Murphy
> What I heard from a Canadian guy in Kobe is that Westerners don't like
<snip> I love your idea of a random sample.
> Nevertheless, I know some Italians residing in Osaka. Maybe Italians
> like Osaka kind of atmosphere.
Or more likely, like many others, they just happen to have jobs to do
and lives to lead there.
--
"All FDR undid was the value of the dollar"
Kevin Gowen (really)
Kaz
> Kaz wrote:
>
> > What I heard from a Canadian guy in Kobe is that Westerners don't like
>
> <snip> I love your idea of a random sample.
White people brought and taught our Kobe type people the worst and the
ugliest Western practice that discriminate and prejudice those people
of traditional old castle towns or traditional old parts of towns, and
adore those pseudo-Westernized region like Kobe or suburbs. Our Kobe
type pseudo-Westerners, especially those of Hankyu Kobe line regions
mimiced White people and are extremely despising those people in the
downtown region of Osaka.
Those Canadian kind of White people residing in the upper regions
beyond the Hankyu line even discriminate and look down on those
gaijins hung around Motomachi, the older downtown region of Kobe, like
calling the area "Dutch Town".
mtfe...@netscape.net
> "Declan Murphy" <declan...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3EF0343D...@hotmail.com...
>> Kaz wrote:
>>
>> > What I heard from a Canadian guy in Kobe is that Westerners don't like
>>
>> <snip> I love your idea of a random sample.
> White people brought and taught our Kobe type people the worst and the
"our Kobe"?
I've been to Kobe, and YOU, nutcase, are nothing like the people there.
For one thing, most of them are smart enough they don't have to be slapped
awake at night and reminded to breathe.
BTW, where's this "Kinai" you're always talking about?
Mike
Kaz
> Kaz <k...@ivebeenframed.com> wrote:
> > "Declan Murphy" <declan...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3EF0343D...@hotmail.com...
> >> Kaz wrote:
> >>
> >>
>
> > White people brought and taught our Kobe type people the worst and the
>
> "our Kobe"?
>
> I've been to Kobe, and YOU, nutcase, are nothing like the people there.
Surely you are an insane drug addict wetting bed all the time.
Of course those pseudo-Westerners in Kobe would be nice to you bed
wetting White supremacist.
John W.
> those un-Westernized, Asian type, the "ni**er-like" Osakans of typical
> Kansaijin so they tend to avoid residing in Osaka.
>
about such petty squabbles. I lived in Kobe because it was just easier
to get an apartment (had a coworker help out). Osaka would have been
closer to work for both my wife and me.
> Nevertheless, I know some Italians residing in Osaka. Maybe Italians
> like Osaka kind of atmosphere.
Osaka is a good place; most foreigners I know in the region think so.
In my experience very few people know about the 'native Japanese'
squabbles in the Kansai region; I didn't until you told me here.
John W.
Kevin Gowen
Kaz, ignore the racists like Fester and Ken. They only want to destroy the
Kinai civilization. Let them just stay at home and die their hair to mimic
the Westerners.
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Ryan Ginstrom
"Kevin Gowen" <kgowen...@myfastmail.com> wrote in message
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> Kaz, ignore the racists like Fester and Ken. They only want to destroy the
> Kinai civilization. Let them just stay at home and die their hair to mimic
> the Westerners.
No, Kevin, that's when you're wrong. Dyeing hair is typical Kinai
civilization way, which those white-immitating Kobe pseudo westerners of
Tokyo-jappies later imitated from the white supremiscists of Europeans and
thought that they had learned something new.
Back from many generations pure Japanese of the Kinai civilization used to
stick their heads in the barrel of the "tsukemono" style Japanese pickles,
and their hair would turn golden "kim patsu" of the traditional Kinai style.
These western immitators are just too foolish drug-addict insane and clouded
by psuedo-western immitation crabmeat to know true Kinai culture.
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Ryan Ginstrom
mtfe...@netscape.net
> <mtfe...@netscape.net> wrote in message news:bcpse6$bke$2...@news.Stanford.EDU...
>> Kaz <k...@ivebeenframed.com> wrote:
>> > "Declan Murphy" <declan...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3EF0343D...@hotmail.com...
>> >> Kaz wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > What I heard from a Canadian guy in Kobe is that Westerners don't like
>> >>
>> >> <snip> I love your idea of a random sample.
>>
>> > White people brought and taught our Kobe type people the worst and the
>>
>> "our Kobe"?
>>
>> I've been to Kobe, and YOU, nutcase, are nothing like the people there.
> insane drug addict wetting bed all the time.
Leave your personal life out of this.
BTW, where is this "Kinai" you keep gibbering about?
Mike
John W.
of in terms of a four mat room someplace in Osaka.
John W.
Scott Reynolds
> mtfe...@netscape.net wrote in message news:<bcq4c2$i87$1...@news.Stanford.EDU>...
>>BTW, where is this "Kinai" you keep gibbering about?
>
> I don't remember who said it (Scott Reynolds?), but it's been spoken
> of in terms of a four mat room someplace in Osaka.
Haha, good one! I'm afraid I can't take any credit for it, though.
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Declan Murphy
> On 6/19/2003 9:49 AM, John W. wrote:
>
>> mtfe...@netscape.net wrote in message
>> news:<bcq4c2$i87$1...@news.Stanford.EDU>...
>
>>> BTW, where is this "Kinai" you keep gibbering about?
>>
>> I don't remember who said it (Scott Reynolds?), but it's been spoken
>> of in terms of a four mat room someplace in Osaka.
>
> Haha, good one! I'm afraid I can't take any credit for it, though.
The culprit was your evil train spotting twin? I liked the "padded" bit.
John W.
> On 6/19/2003 9:49 AM, John W. wrote:
> > mtfe...@netscape.net wrote in message news:<bcq4c2$i87$1...@news.Stanford.EDU>...
>
> >>BTW, where is this "Kinai" you keep gibbering about?
> >
> > I don't remember who said it (Scott Reynolds?), but it's been spoken
> > of in terms of a four mat room someplace in Osaka.
>
> Haha, good one! I'm afraid I can't take any credit for it, though.
You... Dave... we're all one more or less living mass here.
John W.
John W.
In my experience, it helps to have a referral. Actually this is true
for Japanes and foriegners alike, but we got our place through a
realtor a friend had used with much success.
John W.
Dave Fossett
> You... Dave... we're all one more or less living mass here.
Well, us white imperialist pseudo-Japanese folks all look the same, I
suppose.
--
Dave Fossett
Saitama, JAPAN
John W.
> John W. wrote:
>
> > You... Dave... we're all one more or less living mass here.
>
> Well, us white imperialist pseudo-Japanese folks all look the same, I
> suppose.
You forgot Tokyo Jappie Freeter Punks.
John W.
Ryan Ginstrom
"John W." <worth...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> You forgot Tokyo Jappie Freeter Punks.
Dude, I saw them in concert. The mosh pit was completely out of hand. Some
dorky camera-wielding Pillsbury Doughboy looking dude was trying to snap
pictures, and a bunch of guys grabbed him and started stomping on him. Man,
that guy must be traumatized for life. I wouldn't be surprised if he was
haunting usenet to this day, mumbling about those horrible Tokyo Jappies.
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Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
another fool
> >
> > places for sale and rent). And we hit it both in one house we were
> > interested in and the one we eventually rented.
> >
> > In case #1 when they found out that a foriegner was inquiring about
> > the house they said they didn't want me because they were looking for
> > a 'long term lease' - when asked if 3 years wasn't 'long term' the
> > landlord said 'no I'm looking for someone for 5+ years'. The realtors
> > told us this had only become a problem when he found out I wasn't
> > Japanese.
> >
> > In case #2 the house we eventually leased the landlord wanted copies
> > of our passport picture pages. We faxed them over and the landlord
> > wanted copies that were lighter since he couldn't see our faces. When
> > we asked the realtor they just sort of apologized that he was afraid I
> > might be black. I wasn't really thrilled (and after getting here and
> > finding out the AC's they told us were working DON'T I'm less
> > thrilled) but I needed someplace to stay - and the house is
> > inexpensive and will let us keep the insane feline.
>
> In my experience, it helps to have a referral. Actually this is true
> for Japanes and foriegners alike, but we got our place through a
> realtor a friend had used with much success.
>
> John W.
I don`t know - my company had made the arrangements with the realtors.
The lease was signed by my company. All the bills and rent are being
paid directly by them. This was made very clear to the real estate
agents we worked with (I was suprised there is no central listing
service) and should have been made clear to the landlords. You`d
think we`d be a landlords dream...