Assaulting train staff can be very expensive.
Elbow
separate ways. The following day he didn't turn up for work. No phone
calls , nothing.
After 10 days of worrying about him he finally called me and told me that he
had been arrested and had spent almost 11 days in the police cells.
Apparently he had fallen asleep on the train , and it had arrived at its
last stop. To train staff told him to get off the train and started to
touch him. As he was asleep , he wasn't sure what was going on so he just
said . "Leave me alone"
When he realised what was happening . he got off the train , but was still
being hassled by the train staff to get off the platform.
When all of a sudden one of the train guards went behind him , and got him
in a bear hug.
As you can imagine , he retaliated.
While he was in court , he admitted to the assault , but stressed that he
was attacked first and was only protecting himself.
They fined him •300,000 and he also told the court he would pay their
medical bills , because he felt he wasn't going to get out unless he agreed
to it.
Now he's been told that they want •700,000.
Basically , the train staff are milking him , even though they touched him
first.
He now realises he had a chance to win the case . but all he was thinking of
was getting out of the prison.
My question is this: do train staff have insurance against assaults?
They told him they don't. hence the large medical fee.
I told him to just tell them to piss off. Or at least offer them 100,000
each.
Anyone care to comment?
What happens if he says he isnt going to pay that much?
And he said they didnt have any decent porn in prison,
Murgi
> in a bear hug.
> As you can imagine , he retaliated.
You didn't tell what he did to the guy. If dental work is involved, it's
certainly expensive. Was he a gaijin or Japanese?
As a gaijin he has to learn to display a low profile...
Anyway, I wouldn't know what really happened on the platform. He might not
be telling the entire truth. Besides he was probably drunk.
Station attendants are not known to be aggressive. Have been here for 24
years...
Sigi
Ryan Ginstrom
"Elbow" <tokyoelb...@totalise.co.uk> wrote in message
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> After finishing a few rounds of drinks with a fellow worker, we went our
> separate ways. The following day he didn't turn up for work. No phone
> calls , nothing.
Well, that sounds like a good story and all, but ...
Drunk sleeping on the train
Has to get rousted off the train then won't leave the station
Gets physical, they try to subdue him then he starts assaulting folks
Sorry, sounds like he got what he deserved.
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Elbow
to try to 'remove' him.
"Ryan Ginstrom" <gins...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Elbow
as he wanted to get out of the station. Thats when they grabbed him. When
he tried to leave the platform they stopped him.
He even called his wife and she spoke to them on the phone.
Why did they try to move him instead of just call the police?
"Ryan Ginstrom" <gins...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
Murgi
> Apparently he was making a defensive gesture asking them to leave him a
lone
> as he wanted to get out of the station. Thats when they grabbed him. When
> he tried to leave the platform they stopped him.
> He even called his wife and she spoke to them on the phone.
> Why did they try to move him instead of just call the police?
>
>
Stories like these can be heard every week, and I have seen such incidents a
couple of times. Station personnel is also concerned that drunks fall of the
platform. After that it's all "he said vs. they said", especially when no
witnesses are around anymore. He might be lying, he might have been too
drunk to remember, the station employees might have been too forceful...
The point is that he was drunk in the first place, and that caused the
problem.
We have seen killings in trains and platforms before when drunk passengers
stabbed others who complained with knives and umbrellas.
The "Don't touch me" is hard too believe (he was probably swearing at them)
is the usual reaction in these situations. Don't expect others to beg and
mutter onegaishimasu and gomenasai!
Remember your own brush with the police where you were 100% "guilty" since
you have not done your homework before entering the country.
These are facts which cannot be argued... unless you have the stamina to
challenge the authorities.
Your friend will now think twice before drinking too much again.
Sigi
Elbow
"Murgi" <srin...@da2.so-net.ne.jp> wrote in message
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Thanks for your comments Sigi.
I know this guy very well, and he isnt a liar.
He totally admits he was in the wrong but he doesnt think it was all his
fault.
They could have easily gone about this an easier way.
All he wanted to do was leave the station.
What I want to know is.
Are train staff insured against asault and injury?
Murgi
> Are train staff insured against asault and injury?
No idea... but insurance companies might have clauses in the small print
when these things occur.
They will pay when an employee falls down the staircase and breaks his leg,
but not if you push him (given the fact that your are caught). Maybe they'll
have to pay if no perpetrator can be found.
BTW, don't count too much on Japanese insurance companies. They always try
to weasel out. And if you can't speak Japanese, you are more likely to get
milked!
The worst scenario is when you are involved in a traffic accident while 100%
innocent and both parties own policies of the same insurance company. The
company will always try to "distribute" guild so that both will need to pay
higher premiums during the next term. I had to threaten with a lawyer... and
after in-house consulting they took a step back.
Sigi
Ryan Ginstrom
> > What I want to know is.
> > Are train staff insured against asault and injury?
>
> No idea... but insurance companies might have clauses in the small print
> when these things occur.
It's understood that this amount is for "pain and suffering." You could
spend a week laid up in the hospital in Japan and not rack up 700,000 yen in
bills.
If the drunken friend wants to be an asshole, he can tell them "fine, show
me a shindansho from the hospital with the doctor's signature, and I'll pay
the bill."
Or he can just suck it up, pay the cash (if he doesn't have it, maybe
they'll accept installments or negotiate), and try not to pass out drunk on
the train any more.
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Brett Robson
>
>He totally admits he was in the wrong but he doesnt think it was all his
>fault.
>They could have easily gone about this an easier way.
>All he wanted to do was leave the station.
My last train terminates at my station, as there are no trains from the opposite
direction it is the last train for the day. Sometimes the station staff can be
real pricks, they just want to get out of there. One time I went to the wrong
exit out of habit, I had moved across the tracks, and was physically barred from
going to the other exit. Me shouting minami guchi in his face with a few swear
words got him out of the way. But I can understand how shitty that last shift on
a friday would be.
.
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Triangle Man hates Person Man
They have a fight,
Triangle wins.
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"Elbow" <tokyoelb...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
> He was drunk trying to find a way out of the station thats when they started
> to try to 'remove' him.
Tell that to the wife and children of the security guard that was pushed
off a platform in front of an incoming train by a drunk and agressive
man. This happened in Brussels Central Station last week. The murderer
is still in jail and I hope this will be so for some more time.
Elbow
If not you should get a job on the tourist board
LOL.
"Ryan Ginstrom" <gins...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Ryan Ginstrom
> Ryan, are you Japanese?
No, but lately sometimes I think I'm turning Japanese, I really do.
I suppose this is a somewhat oblique way of calling me a Japan apologist. I
wonder how someone like our beloved shuster would react to such a claim.
I am just calling them as I see them. Here, it's a matter of credibility.
Your friend has a story about innocently trying to toddle out of the
station, when he was suddenly attacked by station staff without provocation.
The train staff obviously had a different story.
Now, when the police hear both stories, who are they going to believe? A man
who was admittedly passed out drunk just a few minutes ago, or professional
(presumably sober) train staff, all with corroborating stories?
Your friend learned a valuable and expensive lesson -- if you must be drunk
in public *anywhere*, you had better be meek as a lamb, because you are
going to be seen as the aggressor in any type of altercation -- with the
possible exception of mugging.
> If not you should get a job on the tourist board
You think they're hiring?
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Elbow
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Give me her address and I'll do my best.
Louise Bremner
All of a sudden, any sympathy I might have had for you evaporates....
________________________________________________________________________
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If you want a reply by e-mail, don't write to my Yahoo address!
Elbow
Good day
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Murgi
> Im not asking for any sympathy.
> Good day
>
>
Well, anybody who reads your unsuitable remark concerning this tragic event
will react in his/her way!
However, you are asking other questions in this NG and expect others to help
or enlighten you. Those who know them might probably think that you don't
deserve an answer and ignore you...
Good afternoon
Elbow
But I failed to see the connection of the reply to what I was asking and in
frustration wrote that reply.
Im sure Im not the only one who has posted while in a foul mood only to
regret it afterwards.
Thats just an observation not an excuse.
Anyway this thread is over and done with.
Thanks for all who posted.
I'll try to keep out of the way for a bit....if thats possible.
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Murgi
> Yes I agree my remark was uncalled for and If I upset anyone Im sorry.
That's at least a good start ... so keep it up.