Why did MAcarthur refer to japanese as 12 year olds?
SuperOutland
treated like they're 12 year old".
This may be a paraphrase of his speech, in which compared to the
"modern germany" japan was a "12 year old boy".
However, it is clear that Macarthur somehow though of japanese as
being immature, and probably not solely to them not being modern or
even and enemy because i do not believe he made similar remarks about
Koreans or Chinese. Or his duties as an administrator, for I do not
believe he made similar remarks about the people of the Phillipines.
I just want to know your opinions on why you think this, both japanese
and otherwise.
Brett Robson
>
>I've heard it quoted that MAcarthur said "the japanese should be
>treated like they're 12 year old".
Do you have an authoritve source for that as I have never found one.
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> On 25 Mar 2004 21:39:54 -0800, SuperOutland ...
>
>>I've heard it quoted that MAcarthur said "the japanese should be
>>treated like they're 12 year old".
>
> Do you have an authoritve source for that as I have never found one.
This is one of those topics that pops up from time to time. You can find
some discussion of it (along with quotations) here:
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DUMBASS.
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SuperOutland
> On 3/26/2004 3:30 PM, Brett Robson wrote:
> > On 25 Mar 2004 21:39:54 -0800, SuperOutland ...
> >
> >>I've heard it quoted that MAcarthur said "the japanese should be
> >>treated like they're 12 year old".
> >
> > Do you have an authoritve source for that as I have never found one.
>
> This is one of those topics that pops up from time to time. You can find
> some discussion of it (along with quotations) here:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2xoqa
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RW Pearson
> I've heard it quoted that MAcarthur said "the japanese should be treated
> like they're 12 year old".
Don't mistake this remark. My personal opinion is that the remark if maded
referred to Japan's lack of a Constitutional Democracy and culture of
Emperor Divinity. It is a judgement through "Western Cultural Bias".
A prudent person would not assume that this applies to the Japanese in
general unless you are a troll. No offense intended.
Best Regards.
SuperOutland
> A prudent person would not assume that this applies to the Japanese in
> general unless you are a troll. No offense intended.
>
> Best Regards.
Part of the reason why i think macarthur meant this argument to apply
specifically to the japanese is he did not make similar remarks about
the philipines, which was not even as modern as japan. Nor even for
his other enemies.
Cultural bias? Probably. But I still feel there is a strong
implication that Macarthur felt the japanese immature, and not just
for reasons of modernization.
In fact, in this respect he should consider the japanese quite mature,
considering they kicked his ass in Luzon twice.
madamoiselle blobois
mccarthur, when he returned to the US, gave an account of what he did
in japan to the congressional committee.
mccarthur compared the japanese with the germans. he said japanese
were less guilty than the germans because whereas germans belonged to
a mature and advanced culture and should have known better, japan
during the military era had been like a 'boy of thirteen'.
it was a condescending but was said to explain the rise of japanese
militarism, not to insult the japanese. japanese did feel insulted
however.
read john dower's 'embracing defeat'. good book and it's all there.
John Gilmer
>
> Politically speaking, the "average Japanese" was incredibly immature,
having no
> expectation of any input into societal rules that determined his or her
> ultimate well being. They simply accepted (like children?) what came down
from
> the top. What else can one say about that, except that the population has
> since matured to the degree that this is no longer the all-dominating
theme
> that it once was.
My dad served in the Pacific (USMC) in WWII. He told me he decided to join
the Marines rather than the Army because he didn't want to fight the
Germans.
He said that he HATED the Germans and didn't hate the Japanese. IOW: he
considered the Germans and individually responsible for the war but not the
Japanese.
Les Cargill
>
> supero...@aol.com (SuperOutland) wrote in message news:<e91ad9af.04032...@posting.google.com>...
> > I've heard it quoted that MAcarthur said "the japanese should be
> > treated like they're 12 year old".
> >
> > This may be a paraphrase of his speech, in which compared to the
> > "modern germany" japan was a "12 year old boy".
> >
> > However, it is clear that Macarthur somehow though of japanese as
> > being immature, and probably not solely to them not being modern or
> > even and enemy because i do not believe he made similar remarks about
> > Koreans or Chinese. Or his duties as an administrator, for I do not
> > believe he made similar remarks about the people of the Phillipines.
> >
> >
> >
> > I just want to know your opinions on why you think this, both japanese
> > and otherwise.
>
> mccarthur, when he returned to the US, gave an account of what he did
> in japan to the congressional committee.
> mccarthur compared the japanese with the germans. he said japanese
> were less guilty than the germans because whereas germans belonged to
> a mature and advanced culture and should have known better, japan
> during the military era had been like a 'boy of thirteen'.
>
That's a use of simile. It shows MacArthur's "Eurocentric"
perception of the political maturity of Japan.
Japan was pretty much purely feudal ( in the Japanese variations of
that ) up to the 1800ish time frame. MacArthur being a 19th century
balance of power man, that looks like a 12th century system. I
wouldn't be at all surprised if that was not the math exactly.
Of course, Japan had made a different sort of art out of feudalism,
and his remark probably also referred to the sort of naeivete
associated with Bushido. There was a lock of culture shock
associated with Bushido - Murkins/Europeans hadn't encountered
much of that sort of thing before.
In fairness, not nearly as much was known of Japan by Westerners,
then.
> it was a condescending but was said to explain the rise of japanese
> militarism, not to insult the japanese. japanese did feel insulted
> however.
>
It's a stupid thing for a statesman to say in quotable form, because
it's easy to take out of context.
> read john dower's 'embracing defeat'. good book and it's all there.
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SuperOutland
> That's a use of simile. It shows MacArthur's "Eurocentric"
> perception of the political maturity of Japan.
I personally wouldn't believe Macrthur to be a pure eurocentric; after
all if it were up to him the pacific would get more american
resources.
>
I snipped the above two paragraphs because i feel they are a different
issue all together.
>
> In fairness, not nearly as much was known of Japan by Westerners,
> then.
agreed
>
> > it was a condescending but was said to explain the rise of japanese
> > militarism, not to insult the japanese. japanese did feel insulted
> > however.
Well there are really a million analogies to choose from to describe a
nation domianted by militarists. APathetic, barbaric, less advanced,
unlucky, whatever. He knew what he ws saying, as he had time to
prepare.
> >
>
> It's a stupid thing for a statesman to say in quotable form, because
> it's easy to take out of context.
He knew what he was saying, IMO
Les Cargill
>
> >
> > That's a use of simile. It shows MacArthur's "Eurocentric"
> > perception of the political maturity of Japan.
>
> I personally wouldn't believe Macrthur to be a pure eurocentric; after
> all if it were up to him the pacific would get more american
> resources.
And he struggled with that a great deal. All of Bataan was about
that.
> >
>
> I snipped the above two paragraphs because i feel they are a different
> issue all together.
> >
> > In fairness, not nearly as much was known of Japan by Westerners,
> > then.
>
> agreed
> >
> > > it was a condescending but was said to explain the rise of japanese
> > > militarism, not to insult the japanese. japanese did feel insulted
> > > however.
>
> Well there are really a million analogies to choose from to describe a
> nation domianted by militarists. APathetic, barbaric, less advanced,
> unlucky, whatever.
Yet all those were used by various people to describe the Japanese.
Do you think any of those are accurate? Propaganda has a proper and
legitimate place at the table during wartime. Did that context
affect his statements at all?
> He knew what he ws saying, as he had time to
> prepare.
I think no American had a very accurate view of any Oriental people
at the time. The Hearst newspapsers had spread enough Yellow Peril
propaganda that anything was possible.
I mean, face it - the world was colliding together rapidly, and the
great recourse was the narcissism of small differences.
People. Were. Much. More. Naif. Then. Than. Now.
> > >
> >
> > It's a stupid thing for a statesman to say in quotable form, because
> > it's easy to take out of context.
>
> He knew what he was saying, IMO
And you therefore accuse him of what, racism? Of course he was a racist.
He was born in the 19th century. Racism was then what General Relativity
is now. Racism took Dachau and Auschwitz to die. People are not very
smart sometimes; it often takes a Big Pile of Bodies for stupid things
to
pass by.
Despite that, a regime has more or less stood whole in Japan since the
Emperor's reign, and I am for one glad he was able to do what he was
able to do. I presume that the United States extended its hand to the
fallen Japanese, and a workable system was developed. That is no
small miracle. And it is amazing that people do not see the resonances
with that and what we see today.
He did what he did, and for the reasons he did them. I would not
surgarcoat nor paint any of it with a broad brush; as were most
leading figures of that era, MacArthur was a complicated and rich
character and I think the historical record finds him a Good Guy in
spite of himself.
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supertech
They did exactly that toward their emperor.
Immature may not be the exact word.
I would rather say they are like hive insects.
Philippinos would have done the same except that they didn't have the
powerful center of the governing power.
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> 12 year old boy would listen to and obey his parents without a question.
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Kaz
> it was a condescending but was said to explain the rise of japanese
> militarism, not to insult the japanese. japanese did feel insulted
> however.
No worry, the Japanese are/were laughing at MacArthur, who showed his
personal "slave-blood attitude" hating the feudal world. I mean those
"mac" people really hate that feudal imperilalism, especially those of
Britain.
Funny thing is, MacArthur despised Japanese as "12 year-old" and he
praised Germans, who are the Irish's friends, but he was surely one of
those slave-blood "mac" people who couldn't resist their master of
English, means the King of England. MacArthur hesitated to execute the
emperor Hirohito just because Hirohito was like one of his masters in
England. He respected Hirohito, as well as his "mac" people had been
trained to respect English for many centuries.
Christopher Morton
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Kaz
If you're smoking a weed, I also suggest you to get one of the higher
grades because it seems you get sick of smoking weeds picked up in
your backyard.
SuperOutland
> Funny thing is, MacArthur despised Japanese as "12 year-old" and he
> praised Germans, who are the Irish's friends,
I believe MacArthur was of Scottish extraction, not Irish.
Christopher Morton
See what I mean?
Kaz
I don't need to talk with the chink-loving and self-loathing democrats.
Christopher Morton
Sorry, haven't been a Democrat since 1980.
I'm quite fond of myself actually... mostly on account of how much
better than you I am.
Kaz
I didn't know that the White supremacists are not only perverts but
also narcissists.
Christopher Morton
Yes they tend to be.
Me, I'm Black and supremely humble....
Kaz
Unlike eating cattle and sheep, I think eating chickens would make
people rather humble. Eating chickens is not unhealthy for brains as
eating cattle and sheep.
Christopher Morton
>> Me, I'm Black and supremely humble....
>
>Unlike eating cattle and sheep, I think eating chickens would make
>people rather humble. Eating chickens is not unhealthy for brains as
>eating cattle and sheep.
Hmmm, lambchops....
Kaz
> On 3 Apr 2004 01:43:56 -0800, kaz...@hotmail.com (Kaz) wrote:
>
> >> Me, I'm Black and supremely humble....
> >
> >Unlike eating cattle and sheep, I think eating chickens would make
> >people rather humble. Eating chickens is not unhealthy for brains as
> >eating cattle and sheep.
>
> Hmmm, lambchops....
It's too cruel to slaughter lambs.
Christopher Morton
No problem. Somebody else will do it.
Besides, I don't want you near my food.
I don't know where you've been.
Kaz
At least, lambs are more closer to our human boys and girls than
whales are. They feel more pain than whales do. But those people in
the land down under never blame it. It's a huge contradiction and a
nonsense. And it's inferior and childish subjective ethnocentrism to
adore their own culture and despise other culture.
Christopher Morton
>Christopher Morton <cm...@cox.net> wrote in message news:<j2a070ds35jet26mu...@4ax.com>...
>> On 4 Apr 2004 07:17:01 -0700, kaz...@hotmail.com (Kaz) wrote:
>>
>> >Christopher Morton <cm...@cox.net> wrote in message news:<6t8u60l1dpisdr284...@4ax.com>...
>> >> On 3 Apr 2004 01:43:56 -0800, kaz...@hotmail.com (Kaz) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> Me, I'm Black and supremely humble....
>> >> >
>> >> >Unlike eating cattle and sheep, I think eating chickens would make
>> >> >people rather humble. Eating chickens is not unhealthy for brains as
>> >> >eating cattle and sheep.
>> >>
>> >> Hmmm, lambchops....
>> >
>> >It's too cruel to slaughter lambs.
>>
>> No problem. Somebody else will do it.
>>
>> Besides, I don't want you near my food.
>>
>> I don't know where you've been.
>
>At least, lambs are more closer to our human boys and girls than
>whales are. They feel more pain than whales do. But those people in
How do you know?
Kaz
It seems, you don't feel pain so you should be served on a dish as a humanchop.
Christopher Morton
Try it.
Kaz
> >> >> >> On 3 Apr 2004 01:43:56 -0800, kaz...@hotmail.com (Kaz) wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Me, I'm Black and supremely humble....
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Unlike eating cattle and sheep, I think eating chickens would make
> >> >> >> >people rather humble. Eating chickens is not unhealthy for brains as
> >> >> >> >eating cattle and sheep.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Hmmm, lambchops....
> >> >> >
> >> >> >It's too cruel to slaughter lambs.
> >> >>
> >> >> No problem. Somebody else will do it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Besides, I don't want you near my food.
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't know where you've been.
> >> >
> >> >At least, lambs are more closer to our human boys and girls than
> >> >whales are. They feel more pain than whales do. But those people in
> >>
> >> How do you know?
> >
> >It seems, you don't feel pain so you should be served on a dish as a humanchop.
>
> Try it.
But I don't think you taste good.
James Hall
our 'little brown brothers' ; then proceeded to tun the country into a
plantation.
Christopher Morton
So then you're a COWARDLY cannibal?
Kaz
I'd rather eat unworthy human than lambs.
Christopher Morton
Then TRY it... unless you're scared.
Gus Poulos
himself in the third person ? I. I. I was how he spoke !!