visa/re-entry permit: how long an absence is OK?
Hendrik
it's midnight and "nyuukan" is not open, so i'll try my luck with a
certain always well-informed collective brain (aka fj.life.in-japan):
has anyone here ever hired someone from outside Japan, where that person
later took a longish leave of absence abroad (in their home country or
elsewhere) without losing their visa? If so, how long was that person
allowed to stay away from Japan? Hw was the visa/re-entry permit kept
valid?
Thanks: Hendrik
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>Hi (and to some, 'ohisashiburi'),
>
>it's midnight and "nyuukan" is not open, so i'll try my luck with a
>certain always well-informed collective brain (aka fj.life.in-japan):
>has anyone here ever hired someone from outside Japan, where that person
>later took a longish leave of absence abroad (in their home country or
>elsewhere) without losing their visa? If so, how long was that person
>allowed to stay away from Japan? Hw was the visa/re-entry permit kept
>valid?
>
>Thanks: Hendrik
Let me try to clarify that, then you tell me if I got it right:
"I used to work in Japan, but I left. I didn't get a re-entry permit,
and my visa has expired. How can I get back into Japan without doing
any paperwork?"
Is that what you're asking?
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Declan Murphy
> On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 00:44:54 +0900, m...@privacy.net (Hendrik) brought
> down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
>
>
>>Hi (and to some, 'ohisashiburi'),
>>
>>it's midnight and "nyuukan" is not open, so i'll try my luck with a
>>certain always well-informed collective brain (aka fj.life.in-japan):
>>has anyone here ever hired someone from outside Japan, where that person
>>later took a longish leave of absence abroad (in their home country or
>>elsewhere) without losing their visa? If so, how long was that person
>>allowed to stay away from Japan? Hw was the visa/re-entry permit kept
>>valid?
>>
>>Thanks: Hendrik
>
> Let me try to clarify that, then you tell me if I got it right:
>
> "I used to work in Japan, but I left. I didn't get a re-entry permit,
> and my visa has expired. How can I get back into Japan without doing
> any paperwork?"
>
> Is that what you're asking?
Nah - I'll bet you a goldfish and a hip flask of the finest poteen that
what he is asking is - "how long can someone with a valid visa and a
re-entry permit stay outside Japan?" For example if I received a 3 year
visa tomorrow with re-entry permit, then for whatever reason left next
week for 2 and a half years, would I be allowed back in, and if so,
would I then be able to extend the visa (and leave again).... etc.
(oh and btw Hendrik, if you don't get answer from us, can you post the
bureaucrats answer here after they open tommorrow just so that we know...)
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up to the last day of your visa) you can leave Japan the next day and stay
away till the day before your visa expires (in theory but you might want to
make it back a couple of weeks before)
For example. Three year spouse visa with multiply re-entry granted today -
you can leave tomorrow and come back in two years, 11 months and whatever
weeks and your re-entry will still work.
Jim Magell
Michael Cash wrote:
> Let me try to clarify that, then you tell me if I got it right:
>
>
> "I used to work in Japan, but I left. I didn't get a re-entry permit,
> and my visa has expired. How can I get back into Japan without doing
> any paperwork?"
>
>
> Is that what you're asking?
>
>
>
>
>
Declan Murphy
> The answer is if you have a valid visa and a re-entry permit (which will run
> up to the last day of your visa) you can leave Japan the next day and stay
> away till the day before your visa expires (in theory but you might want to
> make it back a couple of weeks before)
>
> For example. Three year spouse visa with multiply re-entry granted today -
> you can leave tomorrow and come back in two years, 11 months and whatever
> weeks and your re-entry will still work.
Fine in theory, but not quite in practice. In the case of any form of
work visa (which is what Hendrik is referring to), an absence from Japan
of longer than 6 months (it will vary depending on the whims of each
Immigration Bureau) may cause problems. The sponsoring company will need
to submit a riyusho explaining why the individual concerned is not
working in Japan (since that it why the visa was issued in the first
place. For a small company with 5 or less foreign employees, it will
also make it more difficult to hire in the future.
In most cases the absences are 1 off, due to illness, family reasons
etc. Aftet a long absence such as the 2 years 11 months example you
gave, re-entry would be accompanied by some questions with right of
entry determined by Immigration at the airport. There would also be
problems with extending the visa.
And in the case of a spouse visa, since it is issued on the premise that
the holder is married to and living with a Japanese national, an
extended absence would result in the eventual termination of the visa -
the only exceptions being where the Japanese spouse was also absent for
the same/similar period.
> Hendrik wrote:
>
>>Hi (and to some, 'ohisashiburi'),
>>
>>it's midnight and "nyuukan" is not open, so i'll try my luck with a
>>certain always well-informed collective brain (aka fj.life.in-japan):
>>has anyone here ever hired someone from outside Japan, where that
>>person later took a longish leave of absence abroad (in their home
>>country or elsewhere) without losing their visa? If so, how long was
>>that person allowed to stay away from Japan? Hw was the visa/re-entry
>>permit kept valid?
>>
>>Thanks: Hendrik
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> And in the case of a spouse visa, since it is issued on the premise that
> the holder is married to and living with a Japanese national, an
> extended absence would result in the eventual termination of the visa -
> the only exceptions being where the Japanese spouse was also absent for
> the same/similar period.
What would happen in the reverse situation ? Foreign spouse living in
Japon, but japanese spouse outside. I know that's strange, but I have
met some people who I thought might have been tempted to do something
like that.
What you say sounds similar to a mariage invalidation because the spouse
do not live together, in fact something like that can happen in my own
country but only during the first year of mariage.
Or the mariage is still perfectly valid, but the immigration will
systematically refuse spouse visa ?
Would they do that in any case where they have strong reason to suspect
the spouse do not live together ? What would they say when confronted to
someone like Alexandra David-Neel ?
Declan Murphy
> Declan Murphy wrote:
>
>> And in the case of a spouse visa, since it is issued on the premise
>> that the holder is married to and living with a Japanese national, an
>> extended absence would result in the eventual termination of the visa
>> - the only exceptions being where the Japanese spouse was also absent
>> for the same/similar period.
>
> What would happen in the reverse situation ? Foreign spouse living in
> Japon, but japanese spouse outside. I know that's strange, but I have
> met some people who I thought might have been tempted to do something
> like that.
My understanding is that the reverse situation would be treated no
differently. One aspect of (one of) my jobs involves working as a visa
proxy for the Immigration Bureau - collecting and preparing the
documentation for the certificate of eligibility. Part of the gig
involves attending briefings at the Nagoya bureau, this kind of thing
comes up frequently because there are a small but growing number of
cases of shonky marriages for visa purposes.
> What you say sounds similar to a mariage invalidation because the spouse
> do not live together, in fact something like that can happen in my own
> country but only during the first year of mariage.
>
> Or the mariage is still perfectly valid, but the immigration will
> systematically refuse spouse visa ?
They will usually give the benefit of the doubt to the couple, but to be
honest, to some extent their decision invariably is influenced almost
entirely by their perception of what is proper for certain nationalities
and the gender of the spouse. Quite a few spouse visas are refused. I am
still a bit surprised.
> Would they do that in any case where they have strong reason to suspect
> the spouse do not live together ? What would they say when confronted to
> someone like Alexandra David-Neel ?
Ahh, but that was a different era, when there really was freedom of
movement (as long as you had gold or gold convertible currency at
least). None of this silly visa and passport nonsense. And besides, her
Philippe was a gaigin, so the example wouldn't cut much mustard as far
at Immigration Bureau version 2.004 is concerned.