Dr. Atkins Diet
Murgi
helped... well, for some time until I got stuffed again.:-)
At least I was able to lose weight faster than with any other diet.
I have the book and know what to eat and what not, but where does one get
the test paper strips to measure for ketones in urine (not just 5 to 10 for
pharmacy shop prices)? Another thing are multi vitamins... next to the value
of gold here in Japan. Any suggestion?
Cindy
> I think it's time to give it a shot again since it's the only diet that has
> helped... well, for some time until I got stuffed again.:-)
So, you have been cutting back carbohydrate?
> At least I was able to lose weight faster than with any other diet.
Many have.
> I have the book and know what to eat and what not, but where does one get
> the test paper strips to measure for ketones in urine (not just 5 to 10 for
> pharmacy shop prices)? Another thing are multi vitamins... next to the value
> of gold here in Japan. Any suggestion?
Vitamins are expensive in Japan, aren't they?
Bryce
"Murgi" <srin...@da2.so-net.ne.jp> wrote in message
news:bb453f4dbe65193d...@news.secureusenet.com...
Why don't you just excercise?
Cindy
Or, a gastric bypass surgery? His hormone production could be messed up
too. In that case, it's not his fault.
Bryce
> >
> >>pharmacy shop prices)? Another thing are multi vitamins... next to the
> >
> > value
> >
> >>of gold here in Japan. Any suggestion?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > Why don't you just excercise?
>
> Or, a gastric bypass surgery? His hormone production could be messed up
> too. In that case, it's not his fault.
>
>
>
>
>
Nothing seems to be anyone's fault anymore. In fact, lately, they come out
with all these "drugs" to give to people so they can say "it's not your
fault, it's a disease, here is your medicine." From there on they don't have
to take responsibility for it. It's like those depression drugs and learning
disability drugs, and all these new names for children that are lazy and
won't study... now they say they have a condition called ADD or something
like that? No. It's laziness.
Jason Cormier
bb453f4dbe65193d...@news.secureusenet.com, "Murgi"
<srin...@da2.so-net.ne.jp> wrote:
When Dr. Atkins died, he was clinically obese...
Cindy
>>>>pharmacy shop prices)? Another thing are multi vitamins... next to the
>>>
>>>value
>>>
>>>
>>>>of gold here in Japan. Any suggestion?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Why don't you just excercise?
>>
>>Or, a gastric bypass surgery? His hormone production could be messed up
>>too. In that case, it's not his fault.
>
> Nothing seems to be anyone's fault anymore. In fact, lately, they come out
> with all these "drugs" to give to people so they can say "it's not your
> fault, it's a disease, here is your medicine."
Yeah, it's Cortislim.
Personally, I don't think it works.
> From there on they don't have
> to take responsibility for it. It's like those depression drugs and learning
> disability drugs, and all these new names for children that are lazy and
> won't study... now they say they have a condition called ADD or something
> like that? No. It's laziness.
They have to have a sort of diagnostic result so that they can be it.
Then, they are excused from everything. Say, if you have a learning
disability ... Bang! You don't have to learn anything, and nobody gets
upset with you.
Jason Cormier
<cind...@attb.net> wrote:
> Say, if you have a learning
> disability ... Bang! You don't have to learn anything, and nobody gets
> upset with you.
Good to see that some things don't change...
- the sun rising in the East
- Japanese sports writers obsessing about Nakata
- Cindy generalising about things that are obviously well outside her scope
of knowledge
Murgi
No, haven't started yet... but I did it a couple of times in the past. Lost
8 kg in 30 days and never extended this time. The problem is that I had a
hard time in keeping this weight due to own human weekness (craving for
other food, sweets, etc.).
> Vitamins are expensive in Japan, aren't they?
>
Yes, if you are forced to purchase them in pharmacy stores. However,
yesterday I found a variety of vitamins (including "multivitamins") in my
local 100 Yen store. This problem should be solved by now. Need to get the
test paper stripes for ketone testing since tasting the stuff isn't what I
have in mind. On the other hand there are millions who drink their own urine
for medical reasons... (google a bit and you'll find tons of information on
it)!
Murgi
>
I do, but certainly not enough.
> Or, a gastric bypass surgery? His hormone production could be messed up
> too. In that case, it's not his fault.
Naaa... I have 12 kg overweight (190 cm/102 kg)! This can be handled, but I
don't have a year to that. I don't like to get an entirely new set of
wardrobe.
Occasionally I go on a vegetable diet and munch anything which is green (no
wasabi), carrots, koniaku, etc.
Not so great, but so bad either...
Cindy
>>So, you have been cutting back carbohydrate?
>
>
> No, haven't started yet... but I did it a couple of times in the past. Lost
> 8 kg in 30 days and never extended this time. The problem is that I had a
> hard time in keeping this weight due to own human weekness (craving for
> other food, sweets, etc.).
You are not diabetic, are you?
>>Vitamins are expensive in Japan, aren't they?
>>
>
>
> Yes, if you are forced to purchase them in pharmacy stores. However,
> yesterday I found a variety of vitamins (including "multivitamins") in my
> local 100 Yen store. This problem should be solved by now. Need to get the
> test paper stripes for ketone testing since tasting the stuff isn't what I
> have in mind. On the other hand there are millions who drink their own urine
> for medical reasons... (google a bit and you'll find tons of information on
> it)!
Besides your urine, better have your blood check also, don't you think?
Hibijibi
I'm not sure why you choose to criticize Cindy for generalizations and not
Bryce (who posted first and was paraphrased by Cindy). Do I detect a whiff
of double-standard in the flij air?
best
hibijibi
Louise Bremner
Read a bit more--it seems that's the interpretation that certain
less-than-disinterested groups are pushing.
<http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=106&sid=169199>
________________________________________________________________________
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If you want a reply by e-mail, don't write to my Yahoo address!
Raj Feridun
Bremner) wrote:
>Jason Cormier <fj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2/13/04 2:48, in article
>> bb453f4dbe65193d...@news.secureusenet.com, "Murgi"
>> <srin...@da2.so-net.ne.jp> wrote:
>>
>> > I think it's time to give it a shot again since it's the only diet that has
>> > helped... well, for some time until I got stuffed again.:-)
>> > At least I was able to lose weight faster than with any other diet.
>> > I have the book and know what to eat and what not, but where does one get
>> > the test paper strips to measure for ketones in urine (not just 5 to 10 for
>> > pharmacy shop prices)? Another thing are multi vitamins... next to the value
>> > of gold here in Japan. Any suggestion?
>>
>> When Dr. Atkins died, he was clinically obese...
>
>Read a bit more--it seems that's the interpretation that certain
>less-than-disinterested groups are pushing.
>
><http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=106&sid=169199>
If in fact the claims of the Atkins-fans are true and the good Dr.
gained 60 or 70lbs in fluid weight secondary to his coma then he would
have been simply overweight at his death and not clinically obese.
So the best case scenario for Dr. Atkins was that he was overweight
and suffering from arteriosclerosis. I don't know how his supporters
can be outraged over doctors reporting the doctor's fluid weight as
clinical obesity for the autopsy on one hand yet on the other hand
flat out claim his arterial blockage was totally unrelated to his diet
and ignoring that he was overweight in any event.
I laugh at the low-carb craze in the USA right now. What a joke. I
lost 35kg (I'm now 90kg, 182cm tall) about a year and a half ago by
exercising daily (5km jog) and simply eating LESS period not lowering
carbs. Now I maintain my weight by continuing to exercise and eating a
balanced diet. There are no great secrets, shortcuts or quick-fixes to
weight loss, sorry.
Raj
Raj Feridun
<rfe...@NOSPAMyahoo.co.jp> wrote:
>I laugh at the low-carb craze in the USA right now. What a joke. I
>lost 35kg (I'm now 90kg, 182cm tall) about a year and a half ago by
OOPS! That was a typo. I'm 80kg, 182cm. I won't be getting anywhere
NEAR 90kg in this lifetime if I can help it.
Raj
Brett Robson
>
>I laugh at the low-carb craze in the USA right now. What a joke. I
>lost 35kg (I'm now 90kg, 182cm tall) about a year and a half ago by
>exercising daily (5km jog) and simply eating LESS period not lowering
>carbs. Now I maintain my weight by continuing to exercise and eating a
>balanced diet. There are no great secrets, shortcuts or quick-fixes to
>weight loss, sorry.
>
>Raj
>
The issue is that most of the carbs in the modern diet are empty calories,
potato chips, the crappy bread in MacDonals that they have to call a bun because
it isn't bread, corn based snacks etc. Cutting out carbs is a shot gun approach
but it should be obvious why it works.
.
----
Triangle Man hits Person Man
They have a fight
and Triangle Man wins
Brett Robson
>
>Why don't you just excercise?
>
That is my issue here and the reason for a slow but unreversed weight gain since
coming to Tokyo. The only exercise I get is standing on the train for an hour. I
put in a solid 4 months at gym late last year but winter killed that.
Brett Robson, lazy bastard is your name.
cc
"Louise Bremner" <dame_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > When Dr. Atkins died, he was clinically obese...
>
> Read a bit more--it seems that's the interpretation that certain
> less-than-disinterested groups are pushing.
When Dr. Atkins died, he was clinically rich...
CC
Michael Cash
down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
Blood is an emetic, so I don't think he'll be drinking that.
--
Michael Cash
"I am sorry, Mr. Cash, but we are unable to accept your rap sheet in lieu of
a high school transcript."
Dr. Howard Sprague
Dean of Admissions
Mount Pilot College
Michael Cash
brought down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
>On 2/13/04 2:48, in article
Benjamin Spock's kid spent 13 years in psychotherapy.
Jim Fixx had a heart attack.
Louise Bremner
Louise Bremner
> I laugh at the low-carb craze in the USA right now. What a joke. I
> lost 35kg (I'm now 90kg, 182cm tall) about a year and a half ago by
> exercising daily (5km jog) and simply eating LESS period not lowering
> carbs. Now I maintain my weight by continuing to exercise and eating a
> balanced diet. There are no great secrets, shortcuts or quick-fixes to
> weight loss, sorry.
I have problems with accepting the Atkins diet too--if only because I
lost a lot of weight that I needed to lose about ten years ago, when I
_stopped_ eating land-animal proteins. Within a week or so, I discovered
I'm a naturally fast walker, so I'm not sure if the loss of 12-14 kilos
over the next year or so was due to some magical effect, or the
reduction in the drugs I needed to curb my asthma, or that the
improvement in my asthma enabled me to walk faster so it boosted my
metabolism.
The thought of going on a diet that positively _encourages_ the eating
of large quantities of protein puts me off (let along the necessity of
taking multi-vitamins and doing urine checks to see if I'm in a state
that's usually considered unnatural--this is one of the checks that
diabetics do to make sure they're in control, isn't it?).
I'm working around to believing there are Good Carbs and Bad Carbs,
though (partly because I recently made a minor mistake when ordering
from Amazon0>
Brett Robson
>
>
>The thought of going on a diet that positively _encourages_ the eating
>of large quantities of protein puts me off (let along the necessity of
>taking multi-vitamins and doing urine checks to see if I'm in a state
>that's usually considered unnatural--this is one of the checks that
>diabetics do to make sure they're in control, isn't it?).
>
The diet worked for me, I lost 5 kg fairly quickly and kept it off before coming
to Tokyo. But it is hard to do in Japan (especially Tokyo) and it couldn't do my
high cholestrol any good. Part of my problem in Tokyo is the difficultly of
getting fresh fruit and vegetables. In the area I work there is very little
choice for lunch and I end up buying lunch from convenience stores. Back home a
typical lunch would be a sandwich and serval peices of fruit.
Cindy
If he wants a generalization from me, this IS the generalization.
"Fat people's mental condition is not stable, and they are almost always
feeling ill because they can not secrete hormones properly; therefore,
they need a lot of love."
However, it's not their fault; it's cortisol's.
Cindy
> I laugh at the low-carb craze in the USA right now.
I heard a rumor/joke that someone went on a low-protein diet and got
sick. The person was picked up by an ambulance.
> What a joke. I
> lost 35kg (I'm now 90kg, 182cm tall) about a year and a half ago by
> exercising daily (5km jog) and simply eating LESS period not lowering
> carbs. Now I maintain my weight by continuing to exercise and eating a
> balanced diet. There are no great secrets, shortcuts or quick-fixes to
> weight loss, sorry.
I eat anything I want; I drink regular Coke; I don't do any regular
exercise. Don't tell fat people what I have just said.
John W.
increasingly lazy, and Americans are leading the charge. It's just
another way to try to get something (weight loss) for nothing. Want to
lose weight? Exercise. On the most basic level it's about calories in
and calories burned. Good eating habits are essential, but IMHO the
first thing most people need to do is learn how to exercise; we
Americans are too sedentary (sp). Take the steps, park further away
from the door... tons of things people can do everyday to become more
active. Then work on diet.
John W.
Cindy
> Want to
> lose weight? Exercise.
I had thought so for a long time, but there seems to be something more
than that. There are some people who are not able to reduce their
weight no matter how much exercise they do.
> On the most basic level it's about calories in
> and calories burned. Good eating habits are essential, but IMHO the
> first thing most people need to do is learn how to exercise; we
> Americans are too sedentary (sp). Take the steps, park further away
> from the door... tons of things people can do everyday to become more
> active. Then work on diet.
What if their metabolism is messed up and can not burn calories
properly? Hypothyrodism, Cushing's syndrome, diabetes mellitus, Graves'
disease, what do those diseases have in common? It's obesity, and they
are all endocrine diseases. Oh, wait, I should add acromegaly too -- a
disease from too much growth hormone secreted after puberty.
Murgi
> of large quantities of protein puts me off (let along the necessity of
> taking multi-vitamins and doing urine checks to see if I'm in a state
> that's usually considered unnatural--this is one of the checks that
> diabetics do to make sure they're in control, isn't it?).
>
The urine check is not mandatory, but as long as it detects ketones, you can
be sure that body fat is burned.
BTW, I think Cindy asked whether I was diabetic. The answer is "not at all"!
Cindy
> The urine check is not mandatory, but as long as it detects ketones, you can
> be sure that body fat is burned.
> BTW, I think Cindy asked whether I was diabetic. The answer is "not at all"!
What a relief! It may kill you.
John W.
> I think it's time to give it a shot again since it's the only diet that has
> helped... well, for some time until I got stuffed again.:-)
"Diet" shouldn't be something you do; it just is. Eat a healthy diet;
don't go on a diet.
> At least I was able to lose weight faster than with any other diet.
> I have the book and know what to eat and what not, but where does one get
> the test paper strips to measure for ketones in urine (not just 5 to 10 for
> pharmacy shop prices)? Another thing are multi vitamins... next to the value
> of gold here in Japan. Any suggestion?
Do the South Beach plan. Similar to Atkins, but as I understand the
reduction in carbs is only temporary.
Want to lose weight? Exercise. Don't eat after 7:30 pm, and don't get
sedentary at night (go for a walk, go shopping, etc.). My friend and I
both lost a good deal of weight by simply not eating after 7:30 and
taking a good walk an hour or so after eating supper. Take the steps
to your office, and if your office is high up take as many flights of
steps as you can (elevator halfway, something like that). Don't ride
the escalator in rail stations. Every day there are tons of little
things you can do. Don't go on a diet; if it's a diet, run from it
like the plague. Atkins is just a fad; it might be good in many ways,
but the reality of weight loss is to burn more calories than you eat,
and to try to eat healthy. Eating healthy is pretty easy. Lightly
steam some brocolli (sp) with every meal. Take an apple or some fruit
and eat it for a snack at work. There's absolutely no reason for
someone to go on a 'diet'. Just eat sensibly, exercise sensibly, and
live sensibly.
John W.
Cindy
> Graves'disease
Let me replace this disease with myxedema. Sign of Graves' disease is
opposite of getting bigger, and it's common in young women.
Ryan Ginstrom
> The thought of going on a diet that positively _encourages_ the eating
> of large quantities of protein puts me off (let along the necessity of
> taking multi-vitamins and doing urine checks to see if I'm in a state
> that's usually considered unnatural--this is one of the checks that
> diabetics do to make sure they're in control, isn't it?).
Technically, low-carb diets are not high-protein diets. Most advocate
getting the extra calories from fat. In fact, excess protein will be
converted into glucose, so most low-carb diets actually discourage
consumption of too much protein.
As to the impact on blood cholesterol, etc., I have found the research in
this area particularly interesting. As a result of doing a bit of reading, I
try to avoid things like food deep fried in corn oil, and anything with a
label reading "partially hydrogenated." This is great because it usually
results in better-tasting food.
> I'm working around to believing there are Good Carbs and Bad Carbs,
> though (partly because I recently made a minor mistake when ordering
> from Amazon0>
I don't think there are good carbs and bad carbs, but I think how their
intake is modulated (e.g. by fiber and fat, or lack thereof) can affect your
health (and weight).
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Ryan Ginstrom
"Raj Feridun" <rfe...@NOSPAMyahoo.co.jp> wrote in message
news:7fcr20ljl8bfqim0d...@4ax.com...
> I laugh at the low-carb craze in the USA right now. What a joke. I
> lost 35kg (I'm now 90kg, 182cm tall) about a year and a half ago by
> exercising daily (5km jog) and simply eating LESS period not lowering
> carbs. Now I maintain my weight by continuing to exercise and eating a
> balanced diet. There are no great secrets, shortcuts or quick-fixes to
> weight loss, sorry.
This is basically true, but the low-carb movement helped to turn me on to a
lot of the research out there that had been neglected. If you haven't read a
lot of recent research, I would recommend looking at some independent and
relatively unbiased sources of information. For instance,
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/carbohydrates.html
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Ryan Ginstrom
That is true, but I think the main issue wrt weight gain is that pure carbs
do almost nothing to curb hunger. You could drink 1,000 calories' worth of
apple juice, and as soon as the liquid has left your stomache you'll be just
as hungry as before (if you haven't slipped into a sugar crash-induced
coma).
> potato chips,
Aren't most of the calories in potato chips from fat?
> the crappy bread in MacDonals that they have to call a bun because
> it isn't bread,
If all you ate at MacDonalds was the buns, you'd probably still be in pretty
good shape.
> Cutting out carbs is a shot gun approach but it should be obvious why it
works.
At ultra-low levels of carbs -- say, 40g/day or less -- your body enters
ketosis, which has a pretty marked appetite-suppression effect similar to
the effects of fasting/starvation. Thus, at these levels of carbohydrates,
most people will lose weight even if they eat as much as they want -- that's
because they simply don't want to eat very much.
The ability to lose weight without much hunger is very appealing to most
people, and for many even the fairly severe dietary restrictions of a
low-carb diet will seem worth it. The problem of course is after they have
lost the weight, going back to their old eating habits, and with necessarily
less muscle mass to burn off the calories.
One more permanent way that low-carb approaches can help lose weight is by
getting people out of these vicious cycles of scarfing down high-carb foods,
triggering a massive surge of insulin to tuck it all away into fat, then
being left with low blood sugar and craving for more carbs.
I should also say that Atkins only advocates these ultra-low levels for a
couple of weeks. After that, you're supposed to gradually increase carb
intake until you are losing weight at a steady but slower rate, then when
you approach your goal weight, raising carb intake until you stabilize. This
is all very touchy feely and new-math, but the result is that a lot of
Atkins followers aren't technically even on low-carb diets, which generally
are defined as no more than 100 grams of carbohydrates per day.
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Murgi
> someone to go on a 'diet'. Just eat sensibly, exercise sensibly, and
> live sensibly.
That's all very true... unless you get this wisdom when your scales has
reached the upper limit of measurement, or the outer hole in your belt has
been surpassed, etc.:-)
In my case it's "only" 10 to 12 kg. Those who are 30 to 50 kg heavier than
they ought to be really have to worry.
I am still far from the average sumo wrestler.
BTW, does anybody know the average lifespan of these blimps?
Sigi
Cindy
> I don't think there are good carbs and bad carbs, but I think how their
> intake is modulated (e.g. by fiber and fat, or lack thereof) can affect your
> health (and weight).
>
There are two types of carbohydrates. What are carbohydrates? Plants
and vegetables are carbohydrates. So are rice, flour, and beans.
Therefore, eating a whole bunch of salad is taking a lot of
carbohydrate, isn't it? Does salad make you fat? It's very likely;
however, if you eat a lot of Oreo cookies -- which is carbohydrate also,
it will turn into sugar then fat.
Many Africans and Asians -- the world skinniest people are carbohydrate
eaters. (PBS Radio station)
Life is truly unfair, isn't it?
Ryan Ginstrom
"Cindy" <cind...@attb.net> wrote in message
news:MsAXb.37222$yE5.131408@attbi_s54...
> Many Africans and Asians -- the world skinniest people are carbohydrate
> eaters. (PBS Radio station)
Starvation is without a doubt the most effective way to lose weight, hands
down.
> Life is truly unfair, isn't it?
Indeed. You know what's really unfair though? The fact that due to your
advanced age and history of mental illness, I am statistically likely to
outlive you even if I were to balloon out to 300 lbs.
Isn't that unfair?
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Murgi
> advanced age and history of mental illness, I am statistically likely to
> outlive you even if I were to balloon out to 300 lbs.
Naaa... you need yourself a drastic change in your own diet!:-)
Living in Okinawa doesn't automatically mean that you will join the
centenarians...
Cindy
> I am statistically likely to
> outlive you even if I were to balloon out to 300 lbs.
I am happy for you. Besides where you live? Okinawa? That'll help.
> Isn't that unfair?
Who gave you the gene -- DNA? Your mom and dad.
Ryan Ginstrom
> > Indeed. You know what's really unfair though? The fact that due to your
> > advanced age and history of mental illness, I am statistically likely to
> > outlive you even if I were to balloon out to 300 lbs.
>
> Naaa... you need yourself a drastic change in your own diet!:-)
I do eat pretty much like the Okinawans -- plenty of seafood and pork, fresh
green veggies, and tofu
But I don't think the secret to Okinawa logevity is (entirely) in the diet.
> Living in Okinawa doesn't automatically mean that you will join the
> centenarians...
But it will be a much more pleasant run than being in Tokyo.
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Murgi
fresh
> green veggies, and tofu
Seafood is another story indeed. You never know whether your fish was at
Minamata bay before to take on loads of mercury, or in some harbor while
getting polluted with other chemicals. Then there the Vietnamese pigs
suffering of avian flu.
But as long as you live on nigauri (goya), you are probably safe.
And there is the very fresh sashimi which might get you something of the
tapeworm species...
Eric Takabayashi
> > I do eat pretty much like the Okinawans -- plenty of seafood and pork,
> fresh
> > green veggies, and tofu
>
> Seafood is another story indeed. You never know whether your fish was at
> Minamata bay before to take on loads of mercury,
Methyl mercury can enter seafood, particularly predatory species like tuna
or whale, naturally. Even the Japanese government has finally had to issue
a warning, though they somehow think mercury is only dangerous to pregnant
women and their fetuses.
> or in some harbor while getting polluted with other chemicals.
There are also environmental hormones and other things, which also enter
seafood naturally. Mercury and dioxins have been found in dolphins and
whales caught off Antarctica, and the US found dangerous levels of mercury
and dioxin in their own seafood supply before Japanese made it public. You
may as well assume it is a global problem.
Japanese who worry about the slim chance of encountering some tainted
"foreign" food demanding bans and universal testing, when they have so many
of their own domestic food scandals which go practically unnoticed,
shouldn't eat at all.
Murgi
> "foreign" food demanding bans and universal testing, when they have so
many
> of their own domestic food scandals which go practically unnoticed,
> shouldn't eat at all.
And all that from the mouth of a Japanese...
People like you are needed in the government! But then again, you don't fit
in since you express your true opinion without repeating the shit which
agricultural ministers usually convey.
Ryan Ginstrom
The Okinawans have been eating lots of seafood and pork since at least
before the current crop of elderly were born. Parasites and assorted creepy
crawlies must have been at least as much of an issue when they were young as
now, and in fact moreso -- most elderly in Okinawa today grew up without
refrigeration of any kind in a place that gets pretty hot in summer. So if
Okinawans are living to 100 by consuming lots of parasites, then I say "pass
the amoebas, baby."
Mercury and dioxins in the fish are a new phenomenon, but I doubt it has had
much impact on the mortality statistics yet, so it is hard to say what the
end impact will be. We try to eat more smaller fish, but the maguro, katsuo
etc. here is *so* tasty. I doubt most mainland Japanese have ever tried
maguro that has never been frozen, and it's a good thing -- I doubt they
could bear to eat their beloved local sashimi again after they tried it.
Some other more recent developments are urbanization and motorization, and
their concomitant diseases, which certainly seem to be having an impact on
longevity.
And of course the biggy is the introduction of a more Western diet. I
personally think that the introduction of canned foods like spam and chili
(chiri kan kan) probably improved health and hygiene, as they were a
valuable source of preserved food in a society without refrigeration. But
the burgers, ice cream, beer, etc. are wreaking havoc.
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
John W.
> There's absolutely no reason for
> > someone to go on a 'diet'. Just eat sensibly, exercise sensibly, and
> > live sensibly.
>
> That's all very true... unless you get this wisdom when your scales has
> reached the upper limit of measurement, or the outer hole in your belt has
> been surpassed, etc.:-)
> In my case it's "only" 10 to 12 kg. Those who are 30 to 50 kg heavier than
> they ought to be really have to worry.
Doesn't matter. It's an issue of patience. The way to lose weight is
fundamentally the same for someone 100KG overweight as it is for
someone 10KG, though there is a threshold where it becomes necessary
to take drastic measures.
John W.
John W.
> John W. wrote:
>
> > Want to
> > lose weight? Exercise.
>
> I had thought so for a long time, but there seems to be something more
> than that. There are some people who are not able to reduce their
> weight no matter how much exercise they do.
>
aren't following sensible eating habits. How many times have you seen
someone eating a diet because it's 'healthy' and then piling on
croutons, bacon bits, dressing, etc.? The excuse I really like is the
knee injury that obese people use to avoid exercise. If that's the
case, treat the knee injury and exercise, or stop eating so many
calories. Basic science. If you consume less calories than you use you
will lose weight. Most people just get frustrated because they don't
lose weight fast enough.
>
> > On the most basic level it's about calories in
> > and calories burned. Good eating habits are essential, but IMHO the
> > first thing most people need to do is learn how to exercise; we
> > Americans are too sedentary (sp). Take the steps, park further away
> > from the door... tons of things people can do everyday to become more
> > active. Then work on diet.
>
>
> What if their metabolism is messed up and can not burn calories
> properly? Hypothyrodism, Cushing's syndrome, diabetes mellitus, Graves'
> disease, what do those diseases have in common? It's obesity, and they
> are all endocrine diseases. Oh, wait, I should add acromegaly too -- a
> disease from too much growth hormone secreted after puberty.
But that's a different issue, and these can be treated medically. I
don't think most obese people fit into this mold.
John W.
Cindy
> Guarantee those people aren't exercising properly and guarantee they
> aren't following sensible eating habits. How many times have you seen
> someone eating a diet because it's 'healthy' and then piling on
> croutons, bacon bits, dressing, etc.?
They got to learn to satisfy themselves by eating a little bit of those.
Total shut down is more dangerous in my opinion. In the USA, each
serving is huge. For example, a piece of cream cheese cake, I always
think why not taking just a bite to see how it tastes like. Then you be
happy. Don't eat the whole thing. Dr. Atkins in CNN said, "Eat just a
little so that you are not hungry." I think I agree with him. In this
way, I can eat anything -- potato chips, donuts, pizza, pasta,
chocolate, candy bars, bacons, and so on. Plus, eating slowly is very good.
> The excuse I really like is the
> knee injury that obese people use to avoid exercise. If that's the
> case, treat the knee injury and exercise, or stop eating so many
> calories. Basic science. If you consume less calories than you use you
> will lose weight. Most people just get frustrated because they don't
> lose weight fast enough.
It is almost same issue as to motivate the children who don't want to
study. *They* must make up their mind, mustn't they?
>>What if their metabolism is messed up and can not burn calories
>>properly? Hypothyrodism, Cushing's syndrome, diabetes mellitus, Graves'
>>disease, what do those diseases have in common? It's obesity, and they
>>are all endocrine diseases. Oh, wait, I should add acromegaly too -- a
>>disease from too much growth hormone secreted after puberty.
>
>
> But that's a different issue, and these can be treated medically. I
> don't think most obese people fit into this mold.
You may think it's a different issue; however, I would like to emphasize
it here. You may have a tumor in your pituitary gland in the brain, it
overly secretes, say ACTH (adrenocortico tropic hormone). ACTH goes to
adrenal gland (on the top of the kidneys) then make them overly secrete
*the famous cortisol -- stress hormone. According to the Cortislim
commercial, the cortisol is causing to keep you fat, right?
In the case of the tumor, you need a surgery.
Murgi
... Or a wife who watches over you like an eagle!!! This morning I found the
following on my plate: broccoli, apple, some strawberries, half a banana,
plain yogurt, and a cup of chamomile tea. Wife and kids had toast with
cheese and other 'calorie bombs'...
Nobody mentioned anything, but once the kids had gone I asked about this
unannounced food change. It turned out that one of my kids was checking the
log of my scale setting, and it said 103 kg! The he hurried to report his
findings...
Actually, I was steeping on it wearing full gear (heavy jeans, other winter
clothes, full pocket with my wallet... stuffed with coins, etc.). That's at
least 3 kg of deductible ballast. Furthermore, I still didn't have my big
morning toilet session when this reading was carried out.:-)
I should have kept the old scales without all these bloody incriminating
functions!
Now, two hours after breakfast, my stomach is making noises... clear signs
of being malnourished.
Sigi
PS: I just received a spam mail that say: "Lose weight while you are
sleeping"...
I am certainly going to dream about it.
Mad Dan
> "Murgi" <srin...@da2.so-net.ne.jp> wrote in message news:<bb453f4dbe65193d...@news.secureusenet.com>...
>
> sedentary at night (go for a walk, go shopping, etc.). My friend and I
> both lost a good deal of weight by simply not eating after 7:30 and
> taking a good walk an hour or so after eating supper. Take the steps
> to your office, and if your office is high up take as many flights of
> steps as you can (elevator halfway, something like that). Don't ride
> the escalator in rail stations. Every day there are tons of little
> things you can do. Don't go on a diet; if it's a diet, run from it
> like the plague. Atkins is just a fad; it might be good in many ways,
> but the reality of weight loss is to burn more calories than you eat,
> and to try to eat healthy. Eating healthy is pretty easy. Lightly
> steam some brocolli (sp) with every meal. Take an apple or some fruit
> and eat it for a snack at work. There's absolutely no reason for
> someone to go on a 'diet'. Just eat sensibly, exercise sensibly, and
> live sensibly.
>
> John W.
This is the most sensible post on this topic.
Amongst all the drivel BYJW watches on TV, she saw this show which
showed a "diet" with (apparently) an 80% success rate - simply weigh
yourself every morning (when you're at your lightest) and every
evening (heaviest), and plot it on a graph with a HUGE scale so that
every 100g change looks like a mountain (or valley).
After a while, you notice patterns ("Whoops! Too many biirus last
week!" or "Hey! That drop's the day I had a bit of a lark around the
park with the kids!") and gradually, without any stress, you begin to
change your lifestyle.
I've done this for the last six weeks - and have lost 6kg so far
(Never mind the 5kg I had to lose first to get within the range of the
scales!)
It's working for me anyway - it approaches it from the other side.
Instead of "Right! No more beer!" or any other ultimately
self-defeating resolutions, you START by seeing your weight change and
you're actually ENCOURAGED by it. It's also sustainable - because it
causes a genuine change in your lifestyle without any instant
upheavals.
Well anyway, it's working so far. I'm still a fat bastard, mind...
(PS Does "not getting sedentary at night" involve sleeping standing
up? That's a bit harsh!)
cc
"Murgi" <srin...@da2.so-net.ne.jp> wrote in message
> ... Or a wife who watches over you like an eagle!!! This morning I found
the
> following on my plate: broccoli, apple, some strawberries, half a banana,
> plain yogurt, and a cup of chamomile tea.
Broccoli with banana...Chamomile is not a shampoo that gives you blonder
hair ?
She wants to disgust you from food completely. BTW, is it already breakfast
time ?
> Actually, I was steeping on it wearing full gear (heavy jeans, other
winter
> clothes, full pocket with my wallet... stuffed with coins, etc.). That's
at
> least 3 kg of deductible ballast. Furthermore, I still didn't have my big
> morning toilet session when this reading was carried out.:-)
I have lost more than 3 kg in 2 hours Saturday.
After reading that thread, I've checked my weight naked, then I wonder why,
I had the idea of going to the sports club. I sat in the jacuzzi during a
whole aquabic session (I sleep better at night after watching people
exercise), took a shower, put on all the clothes and as there was a scale
there, I've climbed on it : 3 kg less than at home even with wet hair and
carrying the bag. The water was too hot and all my fat has melt ?
20 minutes later, I had regained all the lost weight, needless to say.Those
cheats ! I have eaten cakes on the way back for nothing.
CC
Murgi
Gee.... you must have been very dirty!!!:-)
But honestly, everybody can do that when sitting in the sauna. Just measure
your weight, then drink what you have lost before...
> After reading that thread, I've checked my weight naked, then I wonder
why,
> I had the idea of going to the sports club. I sat in the jacuzzi during a
> whole aquabic session (I sleep better at night after watching people
> exercise), took a shower, put on all the clothes and as there was a scale
> there, I've climbed on it : 3 kg less than at home even with wet hair and
> carrying the bag. The water was too hot and all my fat has melt ?
> 20 minutes later, I had regained all the lost weight, needless to
say.Those
> cheats ! I have eaten cakes on the way back for nothing.
Aaaah.... I see. Maybe you should try the Chinese seaweed slim-soap! 1980
yen a bar in the very beginning, and finally 100 yen for two in an Akihabara
discount store.
Cindy
> ... Or a wife who watches over you like an eagle!!! This morning I found the
> following on my plate: broccoli, apple, some strawberries, half a banana,
> plain yogurt, and a cup of chamomile tea.
Wh, wh, wh, WHERE IS MEAT?! More precisely, where is protein? I bet
your wife is trying to murder you with kindness.
Wife and kids had toast with
> cheese and other 'calorie bombs'...
> Nobody mentioned anything, but once the kids had gone I asked about this
> unannounced food change. It turned out that one of my kids was checking the
> log of my scale setting, and it said 103 kg! The he hurried to report his
> findings...
The three-digits weight is kinda shocking. It's 227 pounds in the USA,
and you are still small. But, it's huge in Japan, don't you think?
> Actually, I was steeping on it wearing full gear (heavy jeans, other winter
> clothes, full pocket with my wallet... stuffed with coins, etc.). That's at
> least 3 kg of deductible ballast.
Make sure you don't forget to file your 1040 by the way although you had
no income.
> Furthermore, I still didn't have my big
> morning toilet session when this reading was carried out.:-)
> I should have kept the old scales without all these bloody incriminating
> functions!
You got to watch out for the spies. You got to buy them out.
> Now, two hours after breakfast, my stomach is making noises... clear signs
> of being malnourished.
Yeah, even I would get hit by hypoglycemia with that diet. I would have
a headache, nausea, vomiting and probably die because my brain wouldn't
get enough glucose. I am not joking.
Cindy
> Amongst all the drivel BYJW watches on TV, she saw this show which
> showed a "diet" with (apparently) an 80% success rate - simply weigh
> yourself every morning (when you're at your lightest) and every
> evening (heaviest), and plot it on a graph with a HUGE scale so that
> every 100g change looks like a mountain (or valley).
In these day's women's variety shows such as Oprah, you should pay
attention to what they show you for make-over experiences. They don't
talk about different types of make-ups, outfits, or hair style anymore.
They go invasive ways: plastic surgery, breasts enlargement.
liposuction, and gastric bypass surgery.
So far, I notice that the people who had a gastric bypass surgery will
experience some traumatic period after the surgery.
Bryce
"Jason Cormier" <fj...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BC52E916.85FA2%fj...@hotmail.com...
> On 2/13/04 20:43, in article n3fXb.31901$_44.28127@attbi_s52, "Cindy"
> <cind...@attb.net> wrote:
>
>
> > Say, if you have a learning
> > disability ... Bang! You don't have to learn anything, and nobody gets
> > upset with you.
>
> Good to see that some things don't change...
>
> - the sun rising in the East
>
> - Japanese sports writers obsessing about Nakata
>
> - Cindy generalising about things that are obviously well outside her
scope
> of knowledge
>
O... so fat people are fat just because they are fat. And stupid people..
well, it just runs in their blood... they can't help it. It's not their
fault.
Cindy
> O... so fat people are fat just because they are fat. And stupid people..
> well, it just runs in their blood... they can't help it. It's not their
> fault.
Neither being fat nor being stupid is hurtful while either doesn't
project a good image. However, being a control freak is something you
have to be careful about.
If a control freak could control himself rather than others, he wouldn't
need to control others, will he?
Bryce
Controlly one's eating habits isn't being a control freak. It's called
having respect for yourself. If you can't respect yourself, how can you
respect other people... or even gain their respect?
Usually just boils down to excuses.
Murgi
> your wife is trying to murder you with kindness.
Yea, I am getting that feeling myself...:-)
I am sure there will be some proteins on the platter soon since she needs
the income of the breadwinner!
> > Now, two hours after breakfast, my stomach is making noises... clear
signs
> > of being malnourished.
>
> Yeah, even I would get hit by hypoglycemia with that diet. I would have
> a headache, nausea, vomiting and probably die because my brain wouldn't
> get enough glucose. I am not joking.
>
>
I know since this diet isn't made for a construction worker either. Once I
feel the onset of nausea, I'll do something about it. It won't become
life-threatening.
Sigi
Cindy
> Controlly one's eating habits isn't being a control freak. It's called
> having respect for yourself.
What do you call when you eat endlessly?
> If you can't respect yourself, how can you
> respect other people... or even gain their respect?
Some people try to gain respect by putting down other people. I notice
it occurs everywhere without fail. I think those people have a serious
low-self esteem, don't you agree?
> Usually just boils down to excuses.
Yeah, you got to blame on somebody or something else so that it's never
your fault. It took me a long to time to adjust this mentality.
Cindy
> Yea, I am getting that feeling myself...:-)
> I am sure there will be some proteins on the platter soon since she needs
> the income of the breadwinner!
In my opinion, (although you may not be interested) the menu of your
wife is a snack menu.
> I know since this diet isn't made for a construction worker either. Once I
> feel the onset of nausea, I'll do something about it. It won't become
> life-threatening.
In my case, if I start nauseating, it's too late. I have to go through
a hell of punishment of neglecting my glucose level. It's not very
pretty. When I start having a headache, I must get really serious
paying attention to what my brain is saying. Therefore, you be careful
just in case.
John W.
I've heard of similar plans before; if you think about it, it works.
Most people who are overweight (or think they are) avoid stepping on the
scale. The only downside is that if you lift weights as part of an
exercise routine you could actually gain weight as you build muscle mass
(which weighs more than fat).
> It's working for me anyway - it approaches it from the other side.
> Instead of "Right! No more beer!" or any other ultimately
> self-defeating resolutions, you START by seeing your weight change and
> you're actually ENCOURAGED by it. It's also sustainable - because it
> causes a genuine change in your lifestyle without any instant
> upheavals.
>
> Well anyway, it's working so far. I'm still a fat bastard, mind...
>
I get tired typing. Not tired of typing, or tired of the topic. But I
keep an albuterol inhaler next to my keyboard, just in case the effort
brings on an asthma attack.
>
> (PS Does "not getting sedentary at night" involve sleeping standing
> up? That's a bit harsh!)
You notice I mentioned 'go for a walk'. Most nights that's pretty much
my only exercise I can get. Did I mention I'm married? :)
John W.
Bryce
> Bryce wrote:
>
>
> > Controlly one's eating habits isn't being a control freak. It's called
> > having respect for yourself.
>
> What do you call when you eat endlessly?
And don't know... what do they call it when someone uses cocaine endlessly?
>
> > If you can't respect yourself, how can you
> > respect other people... or even gain their respect?
>
> Some people try to gain respect by putting down other people. I notice
> it occurs everywhere without fail. I think those people have a serious
> low-self esteem, don't you agree?
Sure, I think everyone does it.
Cindy
>>What do you call when you eat endlessly?
>
>
> And don't know... what do they call it when someone uses cocaine endlessly?
Is it the same type of people who can't live without alcohol? I mean
different item but same degree of affinity.
>>>If you can't respect yourself, how can you
>>>respect other people... or even gain their respect?
>>
>>Some people try to gain respect by putting down other people. I notice
>>it occurs everywhere without fail. I think those people have a serious
>>low-self esteem, don't you agree?
>
>
> Sure, I think everyone does it.
To some people, it's a lot of fun.
Bryce
But remember, as much as they wanna say it, alcholism isn't a disease. They
just tell you that so you feel better and you can think it's not your fault.
>
Cindy
> But remember, as much as they wanna say it, alcholism isn't a disease. They
> just tell you that so you feel better and you can think it's not your fault.
Yeah, it's all [put anything but your name here]'s fault, right? I love
that concept.
Generally, failure caused by someone else, and success was resulted by
your efforts, right? But people think that your success was by luck,
and your failure caused due to your inability. No matter what you do,
people are wishing you to fail, I guess.
Bryce
> Bryce wrote:
>
>
> > But remember, as much as they wanna say it, alcholism isn't a disease.
They
> > just tell you that so you feel better and you can think it's not your
fault.
>
> Yeah, it's all [put anything but your name here]'s fault, right? I love
> that concept.
>
Yes.
Kevin Wayne Williams
>
> But remember, as much as they wanna say it, alcholism isn't a disease. They
> just tell you that so you feel better and you can think it's not your fault.
>
Actually, Bryce, they teach a little mantra that I have found useful
many times: "I am wholly responsible for the wreckage that is my past."
Pretty much any alcoholic that manages to stay sober for any period of
time understands that the first drink he takes is completely,
absolutely, his fault. The consequences of it are harsher for us than
they are for others, and you can have some interesting debates about
whose fault the 15th drink is, but the blame for the first one lies
solely at the drinker's feet.
KWW
Drew Hamilton
wrote:
>The urine check is not mandatory, but as long as it detects ketones, you can
>be sure that body fat is burned.
No you can't. The ketones might be produced as a result of burning
dietary fat.
Lipolisys testing strips give, at best, misleading answers, and at worst
pose a health risk to those people who think that the more purple they
can make the strips, the more body fat they are burning (when in actuality,
the severe carb restriction needed to make the keytone testing strips
dark purple would cause ketoacidosis).
- awh
Drew Hamilton
>There are two types of carbohydrates. What are carbohydrates? Plants
>and vegetables are carbohydrates. So are rice, flour, and beans.
In case you didn't notice, rice, flour, and beans are plants.
>Therefore, eating a whole bunch of salad is taking a lot of
>carbohydrate, isn't it? Does salad make you fat? It's very likely;
Assuming that by "salad" you mean lettuce, then yes, it is largely
made up of carbyhydrate. The differences is that a good portion of
the carbohydrate in lettuce is dietary fibre, which passes through
your body unchanged and undigested.
>however, if you eat a lot of Oreo cookies -- which is carbohydrate also,
>it will turn into sugar then fat.
Yes, because the carbohydrate content of just a couple of Oreo cookies
is higher than the carbohydrate content of all the lettuce that you
would be able to fit into your stomach.
>Many Africans and Asians -- the world skinniest people are carbohydrate
>eaters. (PBS Radio station)
Sure, because they don't eat meat.
Basically, in the absence of insulin (which your body produces to metabolize
carbohydrate) your body can't really build up fat stores. However, your
body will not build up fat stores anyway if you're starving..
- awh
Bryce
"Kevin Wayne Williams" <nih...@paxonet.kom> wrote in message
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I would say that the first through the hundredth are their fault. From there
on out it might be split 99% own fault and 1% societal and "damn, it just
tastes good!".
From there on out, every 1000th drink you partake in, you might minus 1%
from the 99% side and add it onto the 1% side. Is this problematic, yes.
But yes, the first drink absolutely is one's own fault.
But then so is the salad dressing on the salad; that is one own's fault too.
No bitching about it. That extra french fry, not exerxising... it's all
one's own fault.
Kevin Wayne Williams
> "Kevin Wayne Williams" <nih...@paxonet.kom> wrote in message
>
>>Bryce wrote:
>>>But remember, as much as they wanna say it, alcholism isn't a disease.
>
>>> They just tell you that so you feel better and you can think it's not
>>> your fault.
>>Actually, Bryce, they teach a little mantra that I have found useful
>>many times: "I am wholly responsible for the wreckage that is my past."
>>
>>Pretty much any alcoholic that manages to stay sober for any period of
>>time understands that the first drink he takes is completely,
>>absolutely, his fault. The consequences of it are harsher for us than
>>they are for others, and you can have some interesting debates about
>>whose fault the 15th drink is, but the blame for the first one lies
>>solely at the drinker's feet.
>
> I would say that the first through the hundredth are their fault. From there
> on out it might be split 99% own fault and 1% societal and "damn, it just
> tastes good!".
I don't think that the argument that it is societal holds any merit. I
can tell you don't understand truly compulsive behaviour, though. In my
case, I would choose to have the first one. Somewhere around the point
that I was washing the flavor of vomit out of my mouth with warm beer
laden with cigarette butts, I would argue that neither society or "damn,
it just tastes good!" had any effect on subsequent events.
KWW
Jason Cormier
> Some people try to gain respect by putting down other people. I notice
> it occurs everywhere without fail. I think those people have a serious
> low-self esteem, don't you agree?
Does this explain your on-line relationship with Mike?
Cindy
> Drew Hamilton wrote:
>
>> Cindy wrote:
>
>
>>>There are two types of carbohydrates. What are carbohydrates? Plants
>>>and vegetables are carbohydrates. So are rice, flour, and beans.
>>
>>In case you didn't notice, rice, flour, and beans are plants.
>
>
Well, I didn't take time because I was kinda busy. How about -- starch
and non-starch? Is it better? I bet you know what I am trying to say.
What are they? Help me.
If you want to lose weight, which carbohydrate do you eat? Spinach or
Dunkin' Donuts? How do you differentiate those carbohydrates?
Murgi
> > Dunkin' Donuts? How do you differentiate those carbohydrates?
>
Right, but some ingredients derive from plants...
cc
"tm" <t...@tmoero.invalid> wrote in message
> Cindy wrote:
> > > Drew Hamilton wrote:
> > >>In case you didn't notice, rice, flour, and beans are plants.
...
> That's easy- Donuts aren't plants.
Hey guys, be coherent. If flour is a plant, donuts can be plants too. There
is no reason.
And all your diets are useless. Studies have proven it (I've read it on
another NG, it's from the medical review "The psychoscientist") :
a) The Japanese eat less fat than the English and the Americans, they have
less strokes.
b) The French eat more fat than the English and the Americans, they have
less strokes.
c) The Japanese drink less red wine than the English and Americans, they
have less strokes.
d) The French drink more red wine than the English and Americans, they have
less strokes.
Conclusion : Eat and drink what you want, that changes nothing. That's
speaking English that kills.
Bon, c'est fini, j'arrete l'angliche moi.
CC
Bryce
>
> I don't think that the argument that it is societal holds any merit.
I wouldn't either. It's jammed down kids in that it's cool. Although it is
their weakness that gets 'em into it. Again, their fault.
> I can tell you don't understand truly compulsive behaviour,
Oh. I can..
though. In my
> case, I would choose to have the first one.
Not wrong with having the first drink. Just don't abuse it. There is nothing
wrong with drinking as there is nothing wrong with having sex with one's
wife. Anything taken to an extreme is dangerous.
Somewhere around the point
> that I was washing the flavor of vomit out of my mouth with warm beer
> laden with cigarette butts, I would argue that neither society or "damn,
> it just tastes good!" had any effect on subsequent events.
Years back in college I think I remember people drinking the next day after
those experiences.
>
> KWW
>
Kevin Wayne Williams
> Not wrong with having the first drink. Just don't abuse it. There is nothing
> wrong with drinking as there is nothing wrong with having sex with one's
> wife. Anything taken to an extreme is dangerous.
Which is my point in saying that I don't think you understand. For you,
choosing the first drink is no problem. For others, choosing to have the
first drink is a significant problem. Your thought process is about like
saying that you think it's a diabetic's fault that they react to sugar
badly. Go ahead and heap blame on diabetics that go into insulin shock
because they can't resist a candy bar, and feel free to heap blame on
alcoholics that can't get it through their thick damn heads that they
really can't have that first beer. That's reasonable. It isn't
reasonable to deny that diabetics and alcoholics are really ill, though.
KWW
Bryce
"Kevin Wayne Williams" <nih...@paxonet.com> wrote in message
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Yeah, they have lot's of drugs out there now for people who can't control
themselves. It's a thriving business.
Cindy
> Cindy wrote:
>
>>tm wrote:
>>
>>> Drew Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>>>Cindy wrote:
>
>
>>>>>There are two types of carbohydrates. What are carbohydrates? Plants
>>>>>and vegetables are carbohydrates. So are rice, flour, and beans.
>>>>
>>>>In case you didn't notice, rice, flour, and beans are plants.
>>>
>>>If i'm not mistaken, so are vegetables.
>>
>>
>>Well, I didn't take time because I was kinda busy. How about -- starch
>>and non-starch? Is it better? I bet you know what I am trying to say.
>> What are they? Help me.
>
>
It's all right. Don't worry about it.
>>If you want to lose weight, which carbohydrate do you eat? Spinach or
>>Dunkin' Donuts? How do you differentiate those carbohydrates?
>
>
> That's easy- Donuts aren't plants.
You didn't get my point from the example. I am getting tired of
explaining, so I drop it.
Cindy
> In article <5d1ab031100e21f7...@news.secureusenet.com>, Murgi
> wrote:
>
>>The urine check is not mandatory, but as long as it detects ketones, you can
>>be sure that body fat is burned.
>
>
> No you can't. The ketones might be produced as a result of burning
> dietary fat.
It happens when you do exercise and burn fat, which is OK. It also
happens to diabetic people when their cells starve for glucose due to
insufficient insulin.
Murgi
> it occurs everywhere without fail. I think those people have a serious
> low-self esteem, don't you agree?
Well said and very true. Taking other peoples credits to elevate themselves
is the easiest way to succeed... or crawling somebody higher up into his
behind.
D&M Johnston
food which they heavily rely on.
I guess miso soup has high protein as its soy based like tofu.
If you're living in japan, it should be relativily easy to lose weight on
their diet of rice and vegies and fish, maybe cut down on the rice after 7pm
due to having lots of complex carbs.
For meat......have a maccas once a week to cure your fix!! lol
Just a suggestion
cheers
DJ
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