Where to meet Japanese girls?
ifignow
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I'm stuck in Tokyo until January 13th,
visiting family. Is there a place in Tokyo where I can meet Japanese girls
under respectable circumstances? I went to Roppongi tonight but it was a
traumatizing experience, as there were almost no Westerners, aggressive
black pimps trying to pull you into shady clubs, and slimy Chinese
prostitutes all over the place. I'd prefer some place where the music is
not deafening and I can meet people who are not prostitutes or
criminals. I'm looking for constructive advice here, not accusations
that I am naive or arrogant.
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Eric Takabayashi
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Why don't you simply ask your family to introduce you
to people?
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ifignow
"Eric Takabayashi" <eta...@yahoo.co.jp> wrote in message
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> Why don't you simply ask your family to introduce you
> to people?
They don't know anyone like that.
Kevin Wayne Williams
> "Eric Takabayashi" <eta...@yahoo.co.jp> wrote
>
>>Why don't you simply ask your family to introduce you
>>to people?
>
> They don't know anyone like that.
>
They only know prostitutes and criminals? Interesting family.
KWW
ifignow
"Kevin Wayne Williams" <nih...@paxonet.kom> wrote in message
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> They only know prostitutes and criminals? Interesting family.
Kevin Wayne Williams, how long have you resided in Japan? Why is your
English comprehension so poor?
John W.
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up.Not easy, certainly, but in my experience meeting girls outside of
the club scene rarely is. You might also try going to a gym; ask your
family if there's a public gym nearby that'll let you pay per visit. If
you happen to like rock climbing, there are climbing gyms in Tokyo; or
anything along these lines.
Unfortunately my knowledge of specific places is limited to
Osaka/Himeji/Kobe, but I've met tons of nice people in places like I
mention above.In my experience outside of bars/clubs it's easiest to
meet people in general if they share a hobby/interest. Of course, if
you're Christian you could always go to church to make friends.
John W.
Haluk Skywalker
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You're being naive again :)
I don't understand what you mean by respectible circumstances, but *for
usual purposes* if you can't meet girls in Japan, I doubt you can meet girls
anywhere else.
Kevin Wayne Williams
What? You said, and I quote:
>>> I'd prefer some place where the music is not
>>> deafening and I can meet people who are not
>>> prostitutes or criminals.
Eric then asked:
>>> Why don't you simply ask your family to introduce you
>>> to people?
You said:
>>> They don't know anyone like that.
Ergo, your family doesn't know people who are not prostitutes or criminals.
KWW
Matthew Endo
> I'm stuck in Tokyo until January 13th, visiting family. Is there a
> place in Tokyo where I can meet Japanese girls under respectable
> circumstances?
I suppose you're an English speaker, so you can probably go to an
English cafe, like Mickey House in Takadanobaba.
Pick up Tokyo Classified, I mean, Metropolis, and check out the event
listings, as well.
Dunno exactly what you mean by "respectable"...
Merry Christmas, everyone.
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Ryan Ginstrom
"Matthew Endo" <ma...@gol.com> wrote in message
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> ifignow <ifi...@yawoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm stuck in Tokyo until January 13th, visiting family. Is there a
> > place in Tokyo where I can meet Japanese girls under respectable
> > circumstances?
>
> I suppose you're an English speaker, so you can probably go to an
> English cafe, like Mickey House in Takadanobaba.
>
> Pick up Tokyo Classified, I mean, Metropolis, and check out the event
> listings, as well.
I have a couple people in mind. Would it be OK if they are criminals and/or
prostitutes, as long as they are not black or Chinese?
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Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
another fool
On the contrary - his English comprehension is excellent. Well that
or your family lives in a big glass jar.
ifignow
"Kevin Wayne Williams" <nih...@paxonet.kom> wrote in message
> ifignow wrote:
>
> > "Kevin Wayne Williams" <nih...@paxonet.kom> wrote in message
> > news:NVjGb.13384$Q%5.4...@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> >
> >>They only know prostitutes and criminals? Interesting family.
criminals.
No, my family does not know prostitutes or criminals. Your logic is wrong.
Ryan Ginstrom
> No, my family does not know prostitutes or criminals. Your logic is
wrong.
But they surely know some "Japanese girls." Hell, I live in the middle of
the sticks and I know enough "Japanese girls" to fill a couple of hay
wagons.
Yet they aren't giving you any introductions.
Perhaps you should deduce something from that. I know I have.
Besides, Christmas Eve is over -- you lost your chance at getting laid
already.
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ifignow
"Ryan Ginstrom" <gins...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "ifignow" <ifi...@yawoo.com> wrote in message
> news:EXtGb.237551$Ec1.8352535@bgtnsc05-
> > No, my family does not know prostitutes or criminals. Your logic is
> wrong.
> But they surely know some "Japanese girls." Hell, I live in the middle of
> the sticks and I know enough "Japanese girls" to fill a couple of hay
> wagons.
> Yet they aren't giving you any introductions.
> Perhaps you should deduce something from that. I know I have.
They are in their 70s and do not know young single women. I would not
expect anyone else in their 70s to know young single women either.
> Besides, Christmas Eve is over -- you lost your chance at getting laid
> already.
As I've said before, that is not my motive.
Ryan Ginstrom
"ifignow" <ifi...@thismail.com> wrote in message
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> > Perhaps you should deduce something from that. I know I have.
>
> They are in their 70s and do not know young single women. I would not
> expect anyone else in their 70s to know young single women either.
I find it hard to believe that a couple in their 70s knows nobody your age,
unless you are about 15.
> > Besides, Christmas Eve is over -- you lost your chance at getting laid
> > already.
>
> As I've said before, that is not my motive.
Perfect -- then go find some Jehovah's witnesses. Your chances of getting
laid are probably pretty slim, but at least they'd be willing to talk to
you.
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Mad Dan
>
> I have a couple people in mind. Would it be OK if they are criminals and/or
> prostitutes, as long as they are not black or Chinese?
There's no such thing! ALL criminals/prostitutes are black/Chinese.
Don't you read the news?
Ryan Ginstrom
"Mad Dan" <mad...@keepitloud.com> wrote in message
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Apparently more than you. If you had, you would know that many of the
criminals are also Iranians, and many of the prostitutes are also Filipinas
and Russians.
Unless you live in Okinawa -- in that case, all the criminals are US
military and all the prostitutes are Filipinas.
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Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
ifignow
> > They are in their 70s and do not know young single women. I would not
> > expect anyone else in their 70s to know young single women either.
> I find it hard to believe that a couple in their 70s knows nobody your
age,
> unless you are about 15.
It has been my consistent experience that older people don't have a clue
about how to meet single women.
> > As I've said before, that is not my motive.
> Perfect -- then go find some Jehovah's witnesses. Your chances of getting
> laid are probably pretty slim, but at least they'd be willing to talk to
> you.
As I've said, I'm not interested in "getting laid". Got better ideas?
Eric Takabayashi
> As I've said, I'm not interested in "getting laid". Got better ideas?
Try your family's friends and their families. See if they have any connections
through community groups such as the neighborhood association. There are tons
of events modern and traditional going on now at the end of the year and start
of the new year. They should provide ample opportunity, and be entertaining as
well.
It is unfortunate that you are here so short a time, because in a place like
Tokyo, you should be able to meet people simply walking the streets.
Michael Cash
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No worse than your logic, which seems to think that blacks either are
not or can not be Westerners.
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ifignow
> Try your family's friends and their families. See if they have any
connections
> through community groups such as the neighborhood association. There are
tons
> of events modern and traditional going on now at the end of the year and
start
> of the new year. They should provide ample opportunity, and be
entertaining as
> well.
I hear what you're saying, but my family manages a complex web of
professional relationships, and I don't know all the nuances of Japanese
culture, so rather than be the proverbial bull in the china shop, it would
be better if I met strangers.
> It is unfortunate that you are here so short a time, because in a place
like
> Tokyo, you should be able to meet people simply walking the streets.
Can't wait to leave, really.
Louise Bremner
> > Try your family's friends and their families. See if they have any
> > connections through community groups such as the neighborhood
> > association. There are tons of events modern and traditional going on
> > now at the end of the year and start of the new year. They should
> > provide ample opportunity, and be entertaining as well.
>
> I hear what you're saying, but my family manages a complex web of
> professional relationships, and I don't know all the nuances of Japanese
> culture, so rather than be the proverbial bull in the china shop, it would
> be better if I met strangers.
I'm not sure I understand the logic of that. If your intentions really
are honorable, the parents of young single women ought to welcome you.
As a gaigin, you are excused from most of the more subtle aspects of
such relationships.
> > It is unfortunate that you are here so short a time, because in a place
> > like Tokyo, you should be able to meet people simply walking the streets.
>
> Can't wait to leave, really.
How tedious for you to be stuck in this dump.
________________________________________________________________________
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If you want a reply by e-mail, don't write to my Yahoo address!
John W.
Then that's probably why you haven't and won't meet a girl that fits the bill.
John W.
Ryan Ginstrom
> Can't wait to leave, really.
Don't let the door hit you on the ass.
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ifignow
" Louise Bremner" <dame_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I'm not sure I understand the logic of that. If your intentions really
> are honorable, the parents of young single women ought to welcome you.
> As a gaigin, you are excused from most of the more subtle aspects of
> such relationships.
1. It's spelled gaijin.
2. If you think that way, it goes to show you don't understand this place.
> > Can't wait to leave, really.
> How tedious for you to be stuck in this dump.
It is, but can't control where my family is from.
ifignow
"John W." <worth...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > Can't wait to leave, really.
> Then that's probably why you haven't and won't meet a girl that fits the
bill.
I've had no problems in the USA.
ifignow
>
> "ifignow" <ifi...@yawoo.com> wrote in message
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> > Can't wait to leave, really.
> Don't let the door hit you on the ass.
What kind of white losers live here anyway?
Ryan Ginstrom
"ifignow" <ifi...@coldmail.com> wrote in message
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Where is "here"? Inside your computer? Nobody lives inside your computer,
ifgnow. If you think so, you really do need to get out more.
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ifignow
> > What kind of white losers live here anyway?
> Where is "here"? Inside your computer? Nobody lives inside your computer,
> ifgnow. If you think so, you really do need to get out more.
Are you really that stupid?
Gerry
<VgEGb.530713$0v4.22...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, ifignow
<ifi...@yawoo.com> wrote:
> I hear what you're saying, but my family manages a complex web of
> professional relationships, and I don't know all the nuances of Japanese
> culture, so rather than be the proverbial bull in the china shop, it would
> be better if I met strangers.
I don't think you have the skills necessary to accomplish that.
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Gerry
<KaQGb.534194$0v4.22...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, ifignow
<ifi...@coldmail.com> wrote:
> > > Can't wait to leave, really.
> > Then that's probably why you haven't and won't meet a girl that fits the
> bill.
>
> I've had no problems in the USA.
Pass on the sage wisdom to other teetotaling misanthropes: how did you
purportedly meet the supposed kind of women you wanted to meet in the
USA?
Gerry
<sSQGb.241553$Ec1.8...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, ifignow
<ifi...@coldmail.com> wrote:
> Are you really that stupid?
I think everybody here and in the travel group--we're all too stupid to
understand you. Seems incredible doesn't it?
What other possibility could there be?
Scott Reynolds
> " Louise Bremner" <dame_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1g6kcyq.gh3fxk1i21zmsN%dame_...@yahoo.com...
>
>>I'm not sure I understand the logic of that. If your intentions really
>>are honorable, the parents of young single women ought to welcome you.
>>As a gaigin, you are excused from most of the more subtle aspects of
>>such relationships.
>
> 1. It's spelled gaijin.
Shows what you know.
> 2. If you think that way, it goes to show you don't understand this place.
See above.
>>>Can't wait to leave, really.
>>
>>How tedious for you to be stuck in this dump.
>
> It is, but can't control where my family is from.
And yet you have such a deep understanding of the subtleties of Japanese
culture. Did you read Shogun from cover to cover or something?
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Louise Bremner
> > I'm not sure I understand the logic of that. If your intentions really
> > are honorable, the parents of young single women ought to welcome you.
> > As a gaigin, you are excused from most of the more subtle aspects of
> > such relationships.
>
> 1. It's spelled gaijin.
Really? Gosh, I never knew that.
> 2. If you think that way, it goes to show you don't understand this place.
Pot... Kettle...
> > > Can't wait to leave, really.
> > How tedious for you to be stuck in this dump.
>
> It is, but can't control where my family is from.
I think I shall just leave that one to fester.
ifignow
"Scott Reynolds" <s...@gol.com> wrote in message
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> On 12/26/2003 3:02 PM, ifignow wrote:
> > 1. It's spelled gaijin.
> Shows what you know.
Yes it does.
> And yet you have such a deep understanding of the subtleties of Japanese
> culture. Did you read Shogun from cover to cover or something?
Among other things.
ifignow
"Gerry" <222...@spam.really.sucks> wrote in message
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> In article
> <VgEGb.530713$0v4.22...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, ifignow
> <ifi...@yawoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I hear what you're saying, but my family manages a complex web of
> > professional relationships, and I don't know all the nuances of Japanese
> > culture, so rather than be the proverbial bull in the china shop, it
would
> > be better if I met strangers.
> I don't think you have the skills necessary to accomplish that.
What if I have met plenty of strangers in the USA before, and succeeded in
creating relationships?
ifignow
"Gerry" <222...@spam.really.sucks> wrote in message
> Pass on the sage wisdom to other teetotaling misanthropes: how did you
> purportedly meet the supposed kind of women you wanted to meet in the
> USA?
I've met them through the internet. While "traditional" singles struggle
with their stupid church groups or hiking clubs, I've gone through plenty of
women. I've come close to marrying more than once.
Japan, though, is still stuck in the dark ages when it comes to net-based
meetings. People here are like Americans in the early 90s -- supposedly,
only freaks meet people on the net.
Haluk Skywalker
hour...
Ken Yasumoto-Nicolson
Let me guess - you can quote whole passages from Alex Kerr's Dogs and
Demons?
Ken
Eric Takabayashi
That's good for you, and I will admit to surprise that net meetings can produce
such good results. Just last night I was reading the Onion (a pity they are
resorting to so many reprints these days) and for kicks, clicked on the picture
of the woman who called herself auroraaurora. Now if she really looked like
that, and I mean fine, teen idol fine, see if you can't find her photo again;
http://personals.theonion.com/
honestly was as she described herself, living in Beverly Hills, of all places,
I really don't know what would prevent her from having enough friends or
suitors to choose from, just among the people she knew through daily life (she
is a 20 year old college student, and not really picky about age) or her social
circles.
But you say you are only here for less than three more weeks, you seem to hate
the place, and you do not like what you see in entertainment districts or bars.
Nor do you want be cut loose on your family friends or acquaintances.
Just what are you looking for?
mtfe...@netmapsonscape.net
>> professional relationships, and I don't know all the nuances of Japanese
>> culture, so rather than be the proverbial bull in the china shop, it would
>> be better if I met strangers.
> I'm not sure I understand the logic of that. If your intentions really
> are honorable, the parents of young single women ought to welcome you.
Hmm, you're not a parent of a young girl, are you?
Mike
Fabian
> Japan, though, is still stuck in the dark ages when it comes to
> net-based meetings. People here are like Americans in the early 90s
> -- supposedly, only freaks meet people on the net.
deai.jp is just the most basic example. Web dating *originated* in
Japan. Not that I need to use such services.
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>" Louise Bremner" <dame_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:1g6kcyq.gh3fxk1i21zmsN%dame_...@yahoo.com...
>> I'm not sure I understand the logic of that. If your intentions really
>> are honorable, the parents of young single women ought to welcome you.
>> As a gaigin, you are excused from most of the more subtle aspects of
>> such relationships.
>
>1. It's spelled gaijin.
Not here, it ain't.
>2. If you think that way, it goes to show you don't understand this place.
You'd think after a quarter century (give-r-take) in this dump she'd
have a better grasp, wouldn't you. I find it inexcusable.
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>ifignow <ifi...@coldmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > I'm not sure I understand the logic of that. If your intentions really
>> > are honorable, the parents of young single women ought to welcome you.
>> > As a gaigin, you are excused from most of the more subtle aspects of
>> > such relationships.
>>
>> 1. It's spelled gaijin.
>
>Really? Gosh, I never knew that.
>
>> 2. If you think that way, it goes to show you don't understand this place.
>
>Pot... Kettle...
>
>> > > Can't wait to leave, really.
>> > How tedious for you to be stuck in this dump.
>>
>> It is, but can't control where my family is from.
>
>I think I shall just leave that one to fester.
You may have to wait a while. He hasn't put in an appearance here for
several weeks now.
Michael Cash
brought down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
> Louise Bremner <dame_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I suppose I should review the *entire* thread before making statements
regarding your absence.
ifignow
> > What if I have met plenty of strangers in the USA before, and succeeded
in
> > creating relationships?
> That's good for you, and I will admit to surprise that net meetings can
produce
It's soooo easy to spot liars on the net. I've read books on police
interviewing techniques, ways to spot liars. When someone tells me they are
a "doctor", I ask them questions about physiology to see if they are real.
I've caught lots of liars that way. To the contrary, I find the net a very
useful place to discover people's true intentions. When I meet the right
person on the net, I've found that I can attain a deeper level of trust than
is possible in the shallow settings of bars, churches, or even any kind of
physical reality. I can set very high standards to meet exactly who I am
looking for. I haven't been disappointed with anyone I've met from the net,
because I know exactly who they are before I meet them.
> But you say you are only here for less than three more weeks, you seem to
hate
> the place, and you do not like what you see in entertainment districts or
bars.
> Nor do you want be cut loose on your family friends or acquaintances.
> Just what are you looking for?
I guess this is the only situation in which I've had to meet new people
through non-internet methods. I've been looking for ways in which
non-internet methods are better, but so far haven't found any. How can
people possibly accomplish anything?
Crunch Buttsteak
wrote:
>You might also try going to a gym; ask your
>family if there's a public gym nearby that'll let you pay per visit.
...and hope that nobody in your family recommends a gym that I work
in.
--
Bryan
www.trainerbryan.com
Eric Takabayashi
> "Eric Takabayashi" <eta...@yahoo.co.jp> wrote in message
> news:3FEC3C66...@yahoo.co.jp...
> > > What if I have met plenty of strangers in the USA before, and succeeded
> in
> > > creating relationships?
> > That's good for you, and I will admit to surprise that net meetings can
> produce
> > such good results. Just last night I was reading the Onion....
>
> It's soooo easy to spot liars on the net. I've read books on police
> interviewing techniques, ways to spot liars. When someone tells me they are
> a "doctor", I ask them questions about physiology to see if they are real.
> I've caught lots of liars that way. To the contrary, I find the net a very
> useful place to discover people's true intentions. When I meet the right
> person on the net, I've found that I can attain a deeper level of trust than
> is possible in the shallow settings of bars, churches, or even any kind of
> physical reality. I can set very high standards to meet exactly who I am
> looking for. I haven't been disappointed with anyone I've met from the net,
> because I know exactly who they are before I meet them.
Then why don't you have luck in Japan? Even Yahoo! Japan and the Mainichi
newspaper have personal sections, and people there are quite openly looking for
something.
> > But you say you are only here for less than three more weeks, you seem to
> hate
> > the place, and you do not like what you see in entertainment districts or
> bars.
> > Nor do you want be cut loose on your family friends or acquaintances.
> > Just what are you looking for?
>
> I guess this is the only situation in which I've had to meet new people
> through non-internet methods. I've been looking for ways in which
> non-internet methods are better,
Finding my wife was better because we had met and started finding out about
each other before we had any intentions of romance or even friendship. My first
impression upon seeing her was "big lady" (she's taller than I am) and did not
seriously talk to her or ask her on a date (as a joke, originally) until about
four months later.
> but so far haven't found any. How can
> people possibly accomplish anything?
The old fashioned way, which is how people did it before going online. I would
never have found my wife online or cruising in a bar. I found her in cooking
class at town hall.
Gerry
> > > hear what you're saying, but my family manages a complex web of
> > > professional relationships, and I don't know all the nuances of
> > > Japanese > culture, so rather than be the proverbial bull in the
> > > china shop, it would > > be better if I met strangers.
> >
> > I don't think you have the skills necessary to accomplish that.
>
> What if I have met plenty of strangers in the USA before, and
> succeeded in creating relationships?
What if? What if pigs had wings? You've demonstrated an obvious lack
of social skills in the here and now among many folks of differing
temperaments. So disbelieving your vague and tentative statements about
your successes in the US is only common sense. Your claims of meeting
people on the net sound even less confident.
Someone who eschews the idea of meeting people in bars, in churches, in
classes and almost any other way imaginable seems to have some
limitations on their social agility. Just an obvious deduction.
Men generally seem to want to meet women through the want-ads, the
telphone, the internet, the ether, a fantasy life. Dream on. Women want
to meet guys in the flesh. Logically they can learn more about a guy in
the way he walks in the room than 10 pages of blabber. The way someone
moves, smiles, makes small talk, or orders an appetizer; this is
useful. Eighty pages of aimless doggerel on the net are worth nothing.
No one puts "has a clear a direct prose style" on their list of
qualifications for a social contact, lover or spouse.
Women seem less fearful of this in-person process than the many men
overly-sensitive about their hairline, height or inexperience.
And of course, this has nothing to do with Americans versus Japanese.
Just your fearfulness. Be brave!
Gerry
Skywalker <yokoo...@spam.net> wrote:
> Get your ass out and talk to people instead of sending 15 postings per
> hour...
It does seem obvious, doesn't it...?
ifignow
> ifignow wrote:
> Then why don't you have luck in Japan? Even Yahoo! Japan and the Mainichi
> newspaper have personal sections, and people there are quite openly
looking for
> something.
I use chat rooms, because they offer the advantage of real-time
conversation. I know from years of experience that Japanese don't take chat
rooms seriously.
> Finding my wife was better because we had met....
Naturally, you are obliged to say so because you met your wife that way. If
you had met a better wife through the internet, you would be singing a
different tune.
> I found her in cooking
> class at town hall.
Let me know when the relationship gets overcooked and burnt to a crisp.
ifignow
"Gerry" <222...@spam.really.sucks> wrote in message
> What if? What if pigs had wings? You've demonstrated an obvious lack
> of social skills in the here and now among many folks of differing
> temperaments. So disbelieving your vague and tentative statements about
> your successes in the US is only common sense. Your claims of meeting
> people on the net sound even less confident.
Then the joke is on you.
> Someone who eschews the idea of meeting people in bars, in churches, in
> classes and almost any other way imaginable seems to have some
> limitations on their social agility. Just an obvious deduction.
Who, me or the people who use such methods? The people I meet in bars,
churches, and those places seem so stupid, so stunted.
> Men generally seem to want to meet women through the want-ads, the
> telphone, the internet, the ether, a fantasy life. Dream on. Women want
> to meet guys in the flesh.
That's the kind of armchair psychology that used to be touted in the media
in the mid-1990s, but times are different now. Several major net dating
sites have more women than men.
> Logically they can learn more about a guy in
> the way he walks in the room than 10 pages of blabber.
No, actually. The way someone writes says all about them -- what is his
education? What is his personality? A guy who puts on an act when he walks
into a room reveals little.
> The way someone
> moves, smiles, makes small talk, or orders an appetizer; this is
> useful.
Again, shallow pretenses.
> No one puts "has a clear a direct prose style" on their list of
> qualifications for a social contact, lover or spouse.
Plenty of people do, actually. Perhaps you lack the education or
worldliness to know of such people.
> Women seem less fearful of this in-person process than the many men
> overly-sensitive about their hairline, height or inexperience.
Actually, women like the safety of non-physical encounters.
John W.
> "Gerry" <222...@spam.really.sucks> wrote in message
> news:251220032308460546%222...@spam.really.sucks...
> > Pass on the sage wisdom to other teetotaling misanthropes: how did you
> > purportedly meet the supposed kind of women you wanted to meet in the
> > USA?
>
> I've met them through the internet. While "traditional" singles struggle
> with their stupid church groups or hiking clubs, I've gone through plenty of
> women. I've come close to marrying more than once.
>
you sound like a womanizer. Not saying you are, but that's what it
sounds like. Besides, "stupid church groups or hiking clubs" are for
more than meeting girls. It's called 'socializing'.
> Japan, though, is still stuck in the dark ages when it comes to net-based
> meetings. People here are like Americans in the early 90s -- supposedly,
> only freaks meet people on the net.
That's true to an extent no matter where you meet people. If you're
not willing to learn the language enough to meet people online (there
are plenty of legit Web dating services in Japan) then you have to
adapt. Otherwise it kinda looks like you don't really want to meet
anyone, but instead want to vent some homesickness steam. Which is
perfectly fine.
John W.
John W.
> Get your ass out and talk to people instead of sending 15 postings per
> hour...
What, posting in and pissing off the regulars of a newsgroup that's
dominated by gaigin (mostly men, though some guys here are borderline)
isn't a good way to endear oneself to Japanese girls? Then what the
heck have I been doing all these years?
John W.
Louise Bremner
Nope--but I was the daughter of an over-protective father, who'd scare
off any boyfriend I'd somehow manage to find for myself, but produce an
amazing selection of total non-hopers as partners for the few parties
he'd permit me to attend. I recognise the type.
BTW, I seem to have evoked you in another part of this thread...
inadvertently, I must add.
mtfe...@netmapsonscape.net
> On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 14:28:17 +0000 (UTC), mtfe...@netMAPSONscape.net
> brought down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
>> Louise Bremner <dame_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> professional relationships, and I don't know all the nuances of Japanese
>>>> culture, so rather than be the proverbial bull in the china shop, it would
>>>> be better if I met strangers.
>>
>>> I'm not sure I understand the logic of that. If your intentions really
>>> are honorable, the parents of young single women ought to welcome you.
>>
>>Hmm, you're not a parent of a young girl, are you?
> I suppose I should review the *entire* thread before making statements
> regarding your absence.
Nonsense. If we all read things all the way through before responding,
we wouldn't post half the cra^H^H^Hstuff we do.
Mike
mtfe...@netmapsonscape.net
> <mtfe...@netMAPSONscape.net> wrote:
>> > I'm not sure I understand the logic of that. If your intentions really
>> > are honorable, the parents of young single women ought to welcome you.
>> Hmm, you're not a parent of a young girl, are you?
> Nope--but I was the daughter of an over-protective father, who'd scare
> off any boyfriend I'd somehow manage to find for myself, but produce an
Damn right.
> amazing selection of total non-hopers as partners for the few parties
> he'd permit me to attend.
Exactly. Do we begin to sense a pattern here?
> BTW, I seem to have evoked you in another part of this thread...
You gotta stop reading the Necronomicum.
> inadvertently, I must add.
Then certainly don't read it aloud.
Mike
Gerry
<OC_Gb.243242$Ec1.8...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, ifignow
<ifi...@yawoo.com> wrote:
> > Someone who eschews the idea of meeting people in bars, in
> > churches, in classes and almost any other way imaginable seems to
> > have some limitations on their social agility. Just an obvious
> > deduction.
>
> Who, me or the people who use such methods? The people I meet in
> bars, churches, and those places seem so stupid, so stunted.
I think you'll find that the world is generally composed of the same
people one would meet in bars, churches and "those places". As I said
earlier, this just seems to underscore some basic social deficiencies
on your part. Everybody everywhere is stupid except you. Where would
someone thinking that find the not-a-lay you're purportedly looking
for.
Another freebie of experience that will bounce off that metal tank you
call a head: it's all about volume. Going to a church group or bar once
or twice and finding a stupid person--then giving up, that's not a
method that's an excuse. You have to go repeatedly. It's about volume.
Think of the odds. Do you think all people are stupid, or just the
three you said "hi' to in a bar once 4 years ago?
The reason you can't and don't go is that it's frightening to you. You
can't think of anything to say. You judge the people harshly so you
can say "they are worthless, I can't go home now". Semit-vapid people
still provide plenty of social challenges and opportunities, if you
want them. You don't. You just want Ms "not-a-lay" to show up and
provide you that nameless something. And why is it you can even say
you wouldn't mind getting laid out of the deal. Sheesh!
If you prefer, stand at the bottom of an escalator at a mall and ask
every visually viable candidate out as she comes down. VERY low yield,
and tough on the psyche. But productive. Do it for 8 or 10 hours and
you'll be surprised how many hits you can actually get, if you have the
determination. You don't. You can't.
> > Men generally seem to want to meet women through the want-ads, the
> > telphone, the internet, the ether, a fantasy life. Dream on. Women
> > want to meet guys in the flesh.
>
> That's the kind of armchair psychology that used to be touted in the
> media in the mid-1990s, but times are different now.
Nothing whatever has changed about humans. We have new gizmos. Big
deal.
> Several major net dating sites have more women than men.
That's because they can't find the millions of men that won't leave
their house. Now, both TV's and computers keep the fearful occupied.
Nothing's changed. You citing "media" and websites shows what you know
about people; you believe what somebody told you about them.
> > Logically they can learn more about a guy in the way he walks in
> > the room than 10 pages of blabber.
>
> No, actually. The way someone writes says all about them -- what is
> his education? What is his personality? A guy who puts on an act
> when he walks into a room reveals little.
Not so. A man who walks with confidence has got confidence. That's
tough to fake, and one of the most eagerly sought qualities. That kind
of confidence is born of myriad small and large social experiencs that
make one feel they can navigate most waters. "They're stupid" is away
of avoiding learning to navigate those waters. When you walk in the
place they know you're incompetent socially. You say it with every
step and you will until you rise to the challenges.
Same with wit and humor; highly prized, impossible to fake. A guy can
write all about his field of study and not be worth shit as either a
dinner companion or a lover. You can quite easily tell who's fun to
have dinner with and who has a physical sympatico by chatting with them
for 10 minutes. You'll be wrong sometimes, of course. But resumes and
the *especially* the crude morse-code format of chatrooms are woth
almost nothing at all. If you you've done that you know, of course,
despite all your lying about how successful it's proved; it's give you
ZERO, and you know it.
> > The way someone moves, smiles, makes small talk, or orders an
> > appetizer; this is useful.
>
> Again, shallow pretenses.
You demonstrate only that you know nothing of life.
> > No one puts "has a clear a direct prose style" on their list of
> > qualifications for a social contact, lover or spouse.
>
> Plenty of people do, actually. Perhaps you lack the education or
> worldliness to know of such people.
I have both in more abundance that you're likely ever to have: because
at one time I knew that I didn't have either and went out and secured
them. You seem to think that feigning both will tide you over. You
don't even have the depth of experience that reading too much pulp
fiction provides.
In any case "prose style" is not currently nor will it ever be on the
list of "must-haves" with women or men at any station of life. Dream
on! If that were really true you'd have to get some prose style
too--you'd be doubly screwed!
> > Women seem less fearful of this in-person process than the many men
> > overly-sensitive about their hairline, height or inexperience.
>
> Actually, women like the safety of non-physical encounters.
What the hell are you talking about. People can't start a relationship
before finding out exactly how bald and short you are. They can have a
fantasy. They can dream. But dreaming is not a relationship.
You know nothing, and I'm through giving you valuable information, as
it just pours over the top of your overly bloated vessel.
I have to killfile you now, because I pity you so much I want to help
you. And you will not be helped. You're to "smart" for that.
Rafael Caetano
(...)
> But you say you are only here for less than three more weeks, you seem to hate
> the place, and you do not like what you see in entertainment districts or bars.
> Nor do you want be cut loose on your family friends or acquaintances.
>
> Just what are you looking for?
Eric, I really admire your patience and benevolence.
Rafael Caetano
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"Gerry" <222...@spam.really.sucks> wrote in message
> I think you'll find that the world is generally composed of the same
> people one would meet in bars, churches and "those places".
Your world, yes. My world, no.
> As I said
> earlier, this just seems to underscore some basic social deficiencies
> on your part. Everybody everywhere is stupid except you. Where would
> someone thinking that find the not-a-lay you're purportedly looking
> for.
It could be that, indeed, most people have basic social deficiencies. I've
found what I'm looking for in the past, whether you believe it or not.
> Another freebie of experience that will bounce off that metal tank you
> call a head: it's all about volume. Going to a church group or bar once
> or twice and finding a stupid person--then giving up, that's not a
> method that's an excuse. You have to go repeatedly. It's about volume.
> Think of the odds. Do you think all people are stupid, or just the
> three you said "hi' to in a bar once 4 years ago?
I could say the same about the net, but the difference is that I don't have
to waste money on bad drinks or church donations for a god I don't believe
in.
> The reason you can't and don't go is that it's frightening to you.
No, I've done plenty of both in the past.
> You just want Ms "not-a-lay" to show up and
> provide you that nameless something. And why is it you can even say
> you wouldn't mind getting laid out of the deal. Sheesh!
Show me where I said "I wouldn't mind getting laid out of the deal".
> If you prefer, stand at the bottom of an escalator at a mall and ask
> every visually viable candidate out as she comes down. VERY low yield,
> and tough on the psyche. But productive. Do it for 8 or 10 hours and
> you'll be surprised how many hits you can actually get, if you have the
> determination. You don't. You can't.
Actually, I have done that sort of thing before too. I like the better
quality control of the net though.
> > That's the kind of armchair psychology that used to be touted in the
> > media in the mid-1990s, but times are different now.
> Nothing whatever has changed about humans. We have new gizmos. Big
> deal.
Times do change, whether you choose to keep up or not. Let me know when you
are an old man and people laugh at you for your outdated sensibilities. You
sound like one of the Victorians who felt that gentlemen shouldn't use
telephones because they are "indecent".
> > Several major net dating sites have more women than men.
> That's because they can't find the millions of men that won't leave
> their house. Now, both TV's and computers keep the fearful occupied.
> Nothing's changed.
See above.
> You citing "media" and websites shows what you know
> about people; you believe what somebody told you about them.
As opposed to believing hearsay, or making self-righteous comments about "my
own experience"?
> > No, actually. The way someone writes says all about them -- what is
> > his education? What is his personality? A guy who puts on an act
> > when he walks into a room reveals little.
> Not so. A man who walks with confidence has got confidence.
Sure, a ghetto thug "walks with confidence", but that does not improve who
he is.
>"They're stupid" is away
> of avoiding learning to navigate those waters.
Just as you avoid intellectual topics?
>When you walk in the
> place they know you're incompetent socially. You say it with every
> step and you will until you rise to the challenges.
Let me know when ghetto thugs can get into graduate school because they
"walk in with confidence".
>wit and humor; highly prized, impossible to fake.
Yes, education is impossible to fake.
> A guy can
> write all about his field of study and not be worth shit as either a
> dinner companion or a lover.
You're right, people from better classes will make lousy companions of the
ghetto crowd.
> In any case "prose style" is not currently nor will it ever be on the
> list of "must-haves" with women or men at any station of life. Dream
> on! If that were really true you'd have to get some prose style
> too--you'd be doubly screwed!
Being uneducated is not currently nor will it ever be on the
list of "must-haves" with women or men at any station of life. Dream
on! If that were really true you'd have to get some prose style
too--you'd be doubly screwed!
> What the hell are you talking about. People can't start a relationship
> before finding out exactly how bald and short you are.
I am neither bald nor short. That is merely your wishful thinking.
> I have to killfile you now, because I pity you so much I want to help
> you.
The coward runs!
Dan Rempel
> "Matthew Endo" <ma...@gol.com> wrote in message
> news:1g6iiei.4hm...@yahoobb219000172023.bbtec.net...
>
>>ifignow <ifi...@yawoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I'm stuck in Tokyo until January 13th, visiting family. Is there a
>>>place in Tokyo where I can meet Japanese girls under respectable
>>>circumstances?
>>
>>I suppose you're an English speaker, so you can probably go to an
>>English cafe, like Mickey House in Takadanobaba.
>>
>>Pick up Tokyo Classified, I mean, Metropolis, and check out the event
>>listings, as well.
>
>
> I have a couple people in mind. Would it be OK if they are criminals and/or
> prostitutes, as long as they are not black or Chinese?
I'm thinking this guy might like our old buddy Lorraine.
Merry to all,
Dan
Eric Takabayashi
Perhaps someone as smart and better than others as yourself (due to graduate
education or perhaps your color) should learn sooner to simply wait until they
got back home to get what they are looking for, and not expect to find whatever
it is (you seem to imply something meaningful or even marriage) in two weeks in
Japan. From what you are saying about Japan and what Japanese in general feel
about those who do what you do, you are not going to fit in.
Rafael Caetano
>
> Just curious.
I see... but, just to make it clear, I wasn't criticizing you. :-)
Rafael Caetano
ifignow
> Perhaps someone as smart and better than others as yourself (due to
graduate
> education or perhaps your color) should learn sooner to simply wait until
they
> got back home to get what they are looking for, and not expect to find
whatever
> it is (you seem to imply something meaningful or even marriage) in two
weeks in
> Japan. From what you are saying about Japan and what Japanese in general
feel
> about those who do what you do, you are not going to fit in.
I wasn't expecting much to begin with. There was a small chance that people
knew of satisfactory options, but I figured it wouldn't happen.
Unfortunately, Japanese culture has turned anti-intellectual -- people just
want to become fashion designers, good karaoke singers, or whatever. It's
not like the past where people valued intellectual achievement and wanted to
work hard for a living. U.S. graduate schools are full of Chinese or Indian
grad students who have never been in a bar in their life, and have no desire
to. Japanese are closer to blacks or hispanics in this regard.
Eric Takabayashi
> I wasn't expecting much to begin with.
If you don't like the place, and probably not the people or their culture, why
would you want to start something meaningful in a three week visit?
> There was a small chance that people
> knew of satisfactory options, but I figured it wouldn't happen.
You could go to one of the matchmaking services like O-net where clients are
supposed to be serious.
> Unfortunately, Japanese culture has turned anti-intellectual -- people just
> want to become fashion designers, good karaoke singers, or whatever. It's
> not like the past where people valued intellectual achievement and wanted to
> work hard for a living. U.S. graduate schools are full of Chinese or Indian
> grad students who have never been in a bar in their life, and have no desire
> to. Japanese are closer to blacks or hispanics in this regard.
--
Youtz
>
> "Ryan Ginstrom" <gins...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:bse3qt$c7f18$1...@ID-101276.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > They are in their 70s and do not know young single women. I would not
> > > expect anyone else in their 70s to know young single women either.
> > I find it hard to believe that a couple in their 70s knows nobody your
> age,
> > unless you are about 15.
>
> It has been my consistent experience that older people don't have a clue
> about how to meet single women.
>
> > > As I've said before, that is not my motive.
> > Perfect -- then go find some Jehovah's witnesses. Your chances of
getting
> > laid are probably pretty slim, but at least they'd be willing to talk to
> > you.
>
> As I've said, I'm not interested in "getting laid". Got better ideas?
>
Interesting, why don't you want to "get laid" ?
wasabi
What a long thread just to meet some girls. I seem to get the
impression of an arrogant banana. He's probably either under 18 yrs
old or badly educated.
Fabian
> "Gerry" <222...@spam.really.sucks> wrote in message
> news:261220032308255488%222...@spam.really.sucks...
>> I think you'll find that the world is generally composed of the same
>> people one would meet in bars, churches and "those places".
>
> Your world, yes. My world, no.
Surely it must be obvious to all by now that ifignow lives in a world of
her own - she even just admitted right here. But I guess its ok really,
since it *is* a world of her own, everyone knows her quite well and
takes good care of her.
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John W.
>
> I wasn't expecting much to begin with.
Sure you were. If not then why do you appear so dissappointed?
> There was a small chance that people
> knew of satisfactory options, but I figured it wouldn't happen.
That's karma for you.
> Unfortunately, Japanese culture has turned anti-intellectual -- people just
> want to become fashion designers, good karaoke singers, or whatever.
Yes. That's what all Japanese want to be. Americans, French, British,
Australians are SO far above such pursuits.
> It's
> not like the past where people valued intellectual achievement and wanted to
> work hard for a living.
You sure have learned a lot about Japan in your short visit.
> U.S. graduate schools are full of Chinese or Indian
> grad students who have never been in a bar in their life, and have no desire
> to.
How many US grad schools have you been to, and how many Chinese at
those grad schools have you hung out with? You might be surprised to
find that in China karaoke is perhaps more popular than in Japan,
where it is considered passe these days.
> Japanese are closer to blacks or hispanics in this regard.
Ah. So at heart you're really just a racist. Good of you to at least
*try* to experience another culture.
John W.
Prophet of the Way
ifignow wrote:
> I'm stuck in Tokyo until January 13th, visiting family. Is there a place in
> Tokyo where I can meet Japanese girls under respectable circumstances? I went
> to Roppongi tonight but it was a traumatizing experience, as there were
> almost no Westerners, aggressive black pimps trying to pull you into shady
> clubs, and slimy Chinese prostitutes all over the place. I'd prefer some
> place where the music is not deafening and I can meet people who are not
> prostitutes or criminals. I'm looking for constructive advice here, not
> accusations that I am naive or arrogant.
> They are in their 70s and do not know young single women. I would not
> expect anyone else in their 70s to know young single women either.
Go back in time, and there's a day when a woman of seventy today was a maiden.
Have you asked about how things were back then?
We hear that marriages were arranged by elders and a couple would fall in love
after marriage.
m.yoshida
> Unfortunately, Japanese culture has turned anti-intellectual -- people just
> want to become fashion designers, good karaoke singers, or whatever. It's
> not like the past where people valued intellectual achievement and wanted to
> work hard for a living. U.S. graduate schools are full of Chinese or Indian
> grad students who have never been in a bar in their life, and have no desire
> to. Japanese are closer to blacks or hispanics in this regard.
I am now thinking of what this bias-oriented person's yardstick for
valuing any culture is.
Fabian
> I am now thinking of what this bias-oriented person's yardstick for
> valuing any culture is.
Will the females of said culture talk to him without having sex?
Declan Murphy
> m.yoshida hu kiteb:
>
>>I am now thinking of what this bias-oriented person's yardstick for
>>valuing any culture is.
>
> Will the females of said culture talk to him without having sex?
Prolly fairly close the mark. Howbout? "Will the females of said culture
talk to him without payment"
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ifignow
"Fabian" <laj...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bsovrj$eq4ep$1...@ID-174912.news.uni-berlin.de...
> m.yoshida hu kiteb:
> > I am now thinking of what this bias-oriented person's yardstick for
> > valuing any culture is.
> Will the females of said culture talk to him without having sex?
What if they do?
m.yoshida
"Declan Murphy" <declan...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3FF01BE7...@hotmail.com...
> Fabian wrote:
> > m.yoshida hu kiteb:
> >
> >>I am now thinking of what this bias-oriented person's yardstick for
> >>valuing any culture is.
> >
> > Will the females of said culture talk to him without having sex?
>
> Prolly fairly close the mark. Howbout? "Will the females of said culture
> talk to him without payment"
Isnt there another alternative but to pay money or have sex?
m.yoshida
Then let me have sex with the females.
Declan Murphy
> "Declan Murphy" <declan...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3FF01BE7...@hotmail.com...
>
>>Fabian wrote:
>>
>>>m.yoshida hu kiteb:
>>>
>>>>I am now thinking of what this bias-oriented person's yardstick for
>>>>valuing any culture is.
>>>
>>>Will the females of said culture talk to him without having sex?
>>
>>Prolly fairly close the mark. Howbout? "Will the females of said culture
>>talk to him without payment"
>
> Isnt there another alternative but to pay money or have sex?
Depends in part on how dry humping is defined.
ifignow
"m.yoshida" <ma...@yahoo.co.jp> wrote in message
news:bsp9v5$dn7o4$1...@ID-201147.news.uni-berlin.de...
That's interesting, are those the manners your family taught you?
m.yoshida
Just between us, I was born at a park in Japan over thirty years ago.
So I don't know about any of my family background. The word "family"
seems to have reminded me of my past things...
ifignow
> > That's interesting, are those the manners your family taught you?
> Just between us, I was born at a park in Japan over thirty years ago.
> So I don't know about any of my family background. The word "family"
> seems to have reminded me of my past things...
That's a shame.
Haluk Skywalker
news:bsp9k9$es0go$2...@ID-201147.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
> "Declan Murphy" <declan...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3FF01BE7...@hotmail.com...
> > Fabian wrote:
> > > m.yoshida hu kiteb:
> > >
> > >>I am now thinking of what this bias-oriented person's yardstick for
> > >>valuing any culture is.
> > >
> > > Will the females of said culture talk to him without having sex?
> >
> > Prolly fairly close the mark. Howbout? "Will the females of said culture
> > talk to him without payment"
>
> Isnt there another alternative but to pay money or have sex?
>
>
There is one alternative that involves sex, payment and chewing gum, but no
talkin'. I am yet to see any woman who can chew gum, have sex and talk at
the moment. It's some sort of a gender limitation I think.
Fabian
> There is one alternative that involves sex, payment and chewing gum,
> but no talkin'. I am yet to see any woman who can chew gum, have sex
> and talk at the moment. It's some sort of a gender limitation I think.
Wouldnt having sex sex and chewing gum be kinda like patting your belly
and rubbing your head at the same time?
Haluk Skywalker
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> Haluk Skywalker hu kiteb:
>
> > There is one alternative that involves sex, payment and chewing gum,
> > but no talkin'. I am yet to see any woman who can chew gum, have sex
> > and talk at the moment. It's some sort of a gender limitation I think.
>
> Wouldnt having sex sex and chewing gum be kinda like patting your belly
> and rubbing your head at the same time?
>
Depends on whether one's also blowing bubbles or just chewing. Chewing
bubble gum while having sex makes it seem more professional.
Marc
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