ODN - legit or twits?
Ryan Ginstrom
My local ISP recently got bought out by ODN, and changed me over to their
service.
Since then, I have found that spamcop and probably other services have my IP
on their spam blacklist.
I called ODN's customer service, and after finally getting them to
understand that I am not complaining about receiving spam, but about my IP
being listed as a spam source, they gave me another server, but told me
there was nothing they could do about that one getting listed as a spammer
as well. I take it to mean that they don't shut down the accounts of
spammers, since spamcop et al surely complain to the ISP before listing IP
addresses as spammers.
So, is the only choice to switch ISPs? Any recommendations? Reliability is
paramount, as I do actually use email to communicate with clients (when I'm
not busy surfing porn sites).
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Scott Reynolds
> So, is the only choice to switch ISPs? Any recommendations? Reliability is
> paramount, as I do actually use email to communicate with clients (when I'm
> not busy surfing porn sites).
GOL (officially Fusion GOL now) have a SuperLite account type that will
provide you with an x...@gol.com e-mail address. You can access your
account using authenticated SMTP and POP, or via their Webmail page,
from any Internet connection. The cost is 500 yen monthly.
The mailbox size limit is 20 MB, which I have found to be adequate even
though clients are increasingly sending larger files (PPT, PDF, etc.)
these days. Reliability has also been quite good over the 6-1/2 years
I've had my account with them.
Oh, they also have excellent spam filtering.
--
_______________________________________________________________
Scott Reynolds s...@gol.com
Ryan Ginstrom
"Scott Reynolds" <s...@gol.com> wrote in message
news:brovj8$6h2$1...@newsflood.tokyo.att.ne.jp...
> GOL (officially Fusion GOL now) have a SuperLite account type that will
> provide you with an x...@gol.com e-mail address. You can access your
> account using authenticated SMTP and POP, or via their Webmail page,
> from any Internet connection. The cost is 500 yen monthly.
I actually have a gol account, but haven't been able to figure out how to
send through my local Internet connection, and I hate using Webmail.
Have you managed to send mail from a different account? If so, would you
mind walking me through it?
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Scott Reynolds
> "Scott Reynolds" <s...@gol.com> wrote in message
> news:brovj8$6h2$1...@newsflood.tokyo.att.ne.jp...
>
>>GOL (officially Fusion GOL now) have a SuperLite account type that will
>>provide you with an x...@gol.com e-mail address. You can access your
>>account using authenticated SMTP and POP, or via their Webmail page,
>>from any Internet connection. The cost is 500 yen monthly.
>
>
> I actually have a gol account, but haven't been able to figure out how to
> send through my local Internet connection, and I hate using Webmail.
I hate it as well, but some people seem to consider it a feature.
> Have you managed to send mail from a different account?
Yes, I do it all the time.
> If so, would you mind walking me through it?
Well, basically you have to configure your mail software to use
authentication. GOL has a page that claims to explain how to do that
here: http://home.gol.com/support/e/smtp/. Unfortunately, I was not able
to set it up the first time I tried.
There should be a screen in your mail software where you can select
whether or not to use a name and password when connecting to the SMTP
server. You want to enable this option, of course. Then there should be
some place for you to input your user name and password. I went ahead
and did this: user name "sar", password "XXXXXX". It didn't work.
But then a few days later I had an idea, and lo and behold it worked!
I tried inputting "s...@gol.com" as the user name, rather than just
"sar". Sure enough, that was it. (It also helps to input your real
password rather than a string of Xs.)
Brett Robson
>
>Anyone else have problems with ODN's service?
>
>My local ISP recently got bought out by ODN, and changed me over to their
>service.
Yes I reguarly get keitai spam from them.
> I take it to mean that they don't shut down the accounts of
>spammers, since spamcop et al surely complain to the ISP before listing IP
>addresses as spammers.
Yes. But the Island Mentallity applies in the internet business more that any
other.
This gets quite involved as there are so many different scenarios but the main
issue is the responsiveness of the administrators.
A spammer opens an account, set up a mail server and blasts the world from this
IP. Other ISPs contact the owner of the network and expect satisfactory results.
This might not be easy. For example Vodafone breaches all industry standards
regard to contact as does sphere. (eg abuse and postmaster addresses don't
exist). see
http://www.rfc-ignorant.org/tools/lookup.php?domain=c.vodafone.ne.jp
guess who submitted that (^.^)/
Often an ISP only has a web contact form that (very cunningly) will not accept
single byte (ie English) characters.
If you manage to contact them AND get a response, Japanse ISPs give Japanese
answers, "We are very sorry to cause problems, we will handle this situation
carefully" meanwhile the spam continues. Network managers and postmasters expect
detailed answers and this appears to be ignoring the problem. Usually the
customers are given warnings, which of course they ignore. By the time they are
shut down they have the next operation ready. You will never get a straight
answer out of them.
There are many network sins that can cause networks to be black listed. For
examplem many networks are configured so that mail cannot be sent directly from
within the network to outside, but have to go through the ISP mail server and
attempts are often automatically re-routed. (I know for instance Asahi doesn't
do this but GOL does). Groups of IP addresses that are known to be dail up and
dynamically allocated IPs shouldn't have mail servers running in them.
ODN and OCN are about the worst and OCN is only the worst because of it's size.
>
>So, is the only choice to switch ISPs?
Not necessarily, you need access to a mail server that is not black listed, if
you can use a mail server outside your network then you could get a GOL super
lite account (500yen?) and just use the mail server to send. You can still use
whatever email account you have to receive mail.
Open a command window in Windows and type in:
telnet mail.gol.com 25
You should get:
Connected to mail.gol.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 smtp01.fields.gol.com ESMTP Magnetic Fields Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:36:41 +0900
>Any recommendations? Reliability is
>paramount, as I do actually use email to communicate with clients (when I'm
>not busy surfing porn sites).
>http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/listings.lasso
Asahi seems OK, and of course GOL has wonderful spam control stopping it before
it gets to you.
.
----
"You don't bang it at 11:00pm but on the other hand, you don't play tribal house
when you're headlining a tech-house party"
DJ Mike McKenna talking shit
Brett Robson
You need to configure for the GOL SMTP server section only. I don't know
microshaft outlook at all so give Rob a call in support and tell him you are my
homosexual lover.
Declan Murphy
> A spammer opens an account, set up a mail server and blasts the world from this
> IP. Other ISPs contact the owner of the network and expect satisfactory results.
> This might not be easy. For example Vodafone breaches all industry standards
> regard to contact as does sphere. (eg abuse and postmaster addresses don't
> exist). see
> http://www.rfc-ignorant.org/tools/lookup.php?domain=c.vodafone.ne.jp
> guess who submitted that (^.^)/
Do the various vodafone subsidiaries in gaikokuland follow similar
approaches to standards?
--
"Originality usually amounts only to plagiarising something unfamiliar"
- Katharine Fullerton Gerould
Ryan Ginstrom
> Well, basically you have to configure your mail software to use
> authentication.
AHA! (sound of hand slapping forehead) I'll give this a try, thanks.
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Ryan Ginstrom
"Brett Robson" <jet...@deja.com> wrote in message
news:brp17...@drn.newsguy.com...
> On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:33:55 +0900, Ryan Ginstrom ...
> >spammers, since spamcop et al surely complain to the ISP before listing
IP
> >addresses as spammers.
>
> Yes. But the Island Mentallity applies in the internet business more that
any
> other.
> If you manage to contact them AND get a response, Japanse ISPs give
Japanese
> answers, "We are very sorry to cause problems, we will handle this
situation
> carefully"
This is pretty funny. The tech "support" dude told me that I should
personally contact the ISPs who blacklisted me, and tell them how sorry I
was to have caused them all this trouble, and to please unblacklist me.
I'll give the gol thing a try right now.
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Ryan Ginstrom
"Ryan Ginstrom" <gins...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:brp626$5rs1d$1...@ID-101276.news.uni-berlin.de...
... Worked. Thanks!
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Ryan Ginstrom
> tell him you are my homosexual lover.
Thanks -- but will this description narrow the field significantly?
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Norman Diamond
> ODN and OCN are about the worst and OCN is only the worst because of it's
> size.
All of NTT is the worst. Verio is on blacklists worldwide. OCN, Sphere,
etc. aren't on enough blacklists yet, maybe because some blacklist
administrators don't understand that NTT is NTT. All of NTT needs to be
blacklisted, along with CSL-GMBH, Chinanet, Haninternet, VSNL, Telkom
Malaysia, etc.
Brett Robson
I don't deal with spam directly at work, but I have a few personal vendettas to
settle and sphere are number one on the list.
Brett Robson
>
>
>"Brett Robson" <jet...@deja.com> wrote in message
>news:brp1f...@drn.newsguy.com...
>> tell him you are my homosexual lover.
>
>Thanks -- but will this description narrow the field significantly?
>
Perhaps, they don't know about Bryan with a Y.
Brett Robson
This is from your message:
NNTP-Posting-Host: yrmfa-01p1-112.ppp11.odn.ad.jp (61.116.158.112)
You can also submitt not USENET through the GOL mail server.
Brett Robson
>
>Brett Robson wrote:
>
>>A spammer opens an account, set up a mail server and blasts the world from this
>>IP. Other ISPs contact the owner of the network and expect satisfactory results.
>> This might not be easy. For example Vodafone breaches all industry standards
>> regard to contact as does sphere. (eg abuse and postmaster addresses don't
>> exist). see
>> http://www.rfc-ignorant.org/tools/lookup.php?domain=c.vodafone.ne.jp
>> guess who submitted that (^.^)/
>
>Do the various vodafone subsidiaries in gaikokuland follow similar
>approaches to standards?
>
Short answer, I don't know. I don't think internet mail is handled by GSM
phones, the bulk of Bodafon's phones. They have to use a gateway.
Matthew Endo
> I tried inputting "s...@gol.com" as the user name, rather than just
> "sar". Sure enough, that was it. (It also helps to input your real
> password rather than a string of Xs.)
The trick is to not forget the "@gol.com" part.
--
Matt
ma...@gol.com
Matthew Endo
> This is from your message:
> NNTP-Posting-Host: yrmfa-01p1-112.ppp11.odn.ad.jp (61.116.158.112)
>
> You can also submitt not USENET through the GOL mail server.
Huh?
Do you mean you can also post using the GOL NNTP (nnrp) server?
--
Matt
ma...@gol.com
Marc
> Anyone else have problems with ODN's service?
>
> My local ISP recently got bought out by ODN, and changed me over to their
> service.
>
> Since then, I have found that spamcop and probably other services have my
IP
> on their spam blacklist.
do you have the IP address (es) that is being blocked? You can look it up in
Spamcop and Spamhaus, and sometimes this information will help the ISP
understand exactly where your complaint lies. In theory, if enough people
quit because www.sailorsuitnymphos.biz is sending out 5 million spam a week
they might cancel them. But in practice, the spammers often generate more
revenue for the ISP than a few disgruntled users, so the ISP often just
looks the other way.
Ryan Ginstrom
"Marc" <box5...@spamtrap.net> wrote in message
news:dI5Eb.416482$ao4.1351291@attbi_s51...
>
> "Ryan Ginstrom" <gins...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:broir6$5obua$1...@ID-101276.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > Anyone else have problems with ODN's service?
> >
> > My local ISP recently got bought out by ODN, and changed me over to
their
> > service.
> >
> > Since then, I have found that spamcop and probably other services have
my
> IP
> > on their spam blacklist.
>
> do you have the IP address (es) that is being blocked? You can look it up
in
> Spamcop
Yep. Multiple complaints by multiple users over significant period of time.
http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?143.90.131.181
It turns out that the "alternate" SMTP server that they gave me has the same
IP address. F@cking brilliant.
The "technical" "support" dude at first tried to insist that my computer
must be infected by a virus, and has been sending out virus-laden emails for
the past couple months. It took some time for him to understand that if my
email account is less than 1 month old, it is simply not possible that I
could have
been sending viruses from the account for two months.
Sometimes I wonder if Japanese technical "support" dudes sound so stupid
because they are trying to talk down to a customer they know is even
stupider than they are, or because they are actually that stupid themselves.
After about 10 minutes on the line with my ODN dork, however, I began to
suspect the latter.
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Brett Robson
If you are a customer.
Brett Robson
>
>Sometimes I wonder if Japanese technical "support" dudes sound so stupid
>because they are trying to talk down to a customer they know is even
>stupider than they are, or because they are actually that stupid themselves.
>After about 10 minutes on the line with my ODN dork, however, I began to
>suspect the latter.
>
Ask him what his other job is. No doubt his is a freeta and his other job is at
7/11.
Scott Reynolds
> On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 06:10:57 +0900, Matthew Endo ...
>
>>Brett Robson <jet...@deja.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>This is from your message:
>>>NNTP-Posting-Host: yrmfa-01p1-112.ppp11.odn.ad.jp (61.116.158.112)
>>>
>>>You can also submitt not USENET through the GOL mail server.
>>
>>Huh?
>>
>>Do you mean you can also post using the GOL NNTP (nnrp) server?
>
>
> If you are a customer.
Wohoo, kewl!
I notice that in this case, though, you should omit the "@gol.com" part
of your username.
Brett Robson
>
>On 12/18/2003 9:55 AM, Brett Robson wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 06:10:57 +0900, Matthew Endo ...
>>
>>>Brett Robson <jet...@deja.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>This is from your message:
>>>>NNTP-Posting-Host: yrmfa-01p1-112.ppp11.odn.ad.jp (61.116.158.112)
>>>>
>>>>You can also submitt not USENET through the GOL mail server.
>>>
>>>Huh?
>>>
>>>Do you mean you can also post using the GOL NNTP (nnrp) server?
>>
>>
>> If you are a customer.
>
>Wohoo, kewl!
>
>I notice that in this case, though, you should omit the "@gol.com" part
>of your username.
>
>
I've just noticed how many of our customers there are here. Christ I'll have to
start being polite to you all.
Reg Blank
> On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:26:04 +0900, Norman Diamond ...
>
>>"Brett Robson" <jet...@deja.com> wrote in message
>>news:brp17...@drn.newsguy.com...
>>
>>
>>>ODN and OCN are about the worst and OCN is only the worst because of it's
>>>size.
>>
>>All of NTT is the worst. Verio is on blacklists worldwide. OCN, Sphere,
>>etc. aren't on enough blacklists yet, maybe because some blacklist
>>administrators don't understand that NTT is NTT. All of NTT needs to be
>>blacklisted, along with CSL-GMBH, Chinanet, Haninternet, VSNL, Telkom
>>Malaysia, etc.
>>
>
>
> I don't deal with spam directly at work, but I have a few personal vendettas to
> settle and sphere are number one on the list.
Nifty, and Biglobe are bad too. Some of Nifty's outbound smtp servers
are already listed by Spamhaus and Biglobe's are listed by
dnsbl.sorbs.net
At least OCN responds to messages sent to to their abuse@ address.
Reg.
Reg Blank
> On 12/17/2003 12:33 PM, Ryan Ginstrom wrote:
>
>> So, is the only choice to switch ISPs? Any recommendations?
>> Reliability is
>> paramount, as I do actually use email to communicate with clients
>> (when I'm
>> not busy surfing porn sites).
>
>
> GOL (officially Fusion GOL now) have a SuperLite account type that will
> provide you with an x...@gol.com e-mail address. You can access your
> account using authenticated SMTP and POP, or via their Webmail page,
> from any Internet connection. The cost is 500 yen monthly.
>
> The mailbox size limit is 20 MB, which I have found to be adequate even
> though clients are increasingly sending larger files (PPT, PDF, etc.)
> these days. Reliability has also been quite good over the 6-1/2 years
> I've had my account with them.
>
> Oh, they also have excellent spam filtering.
>
I use this:
5 addresses, web/pop/cell phone access, and SMTP for Y1000/year.
<disclaimer>
I know the folks running the said service.
</disclaimer>
Reg.
Matthew Endo
> I've just noticed how many of our customers there are here. Christ I'll
> have to start being polite to you all.
Nah, we're already used to you. Except you _did_ require me to rewrap
your over 80 character line length.
It's also interesting (read: ironic) to see that you use newsguy.com
instead of the sometimes flakey gol.com news server.
Scott, notice how the Organization field is hard coded to read "Global
Online Japan"?
--
Matt
ma...@gol.com
Haluk Skywalker
yazd?:brp6ar$609rm$1...@ID-101276.news.uni-berlin.de...
You shoulda thought this before spamming people you know.
Louise Bremner
> It's also interesting (read: ironic) to see that you use newsguy.com
> instead of the sometimes flakey gol.com news server.
Maybe he's another customer who uses cable, so can't connect to GOL's
news server at all?
________________________________________________________________________
Louise Bremner (log at gol dot com)
If you want a reply by e-mail, don't write to my Yahoo address!
Ryan Ginstrom
"Haluk Skywalker" <yokoo...@spam.net> wrote in message
news:brt8s9$7apv7$1...@ID-201738.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > personally contact the ISPs who blacklisted me, and tell them how sorry
I
> > was to have caused them all this trouble, and to please unblacklist me.
> >
>
> You shoulda thought this before spamming people you know.
Spammers are just fulfilling a need.
In my case, I was fulfilling a need for incredibly prolonged hard ons.
You can't tell me the world wouldn't be a better place with a few more
incredibly prolonged hard ons.
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Brett Robson
>
>Matthew Endo <ma...@gol.com> wrote:
>
>> It's also interesting (read: ironic) to see that you use newsguy.com
>> instead of the sometimes flakey gol.com news server.
>
Dear Customer,
The reason is actually historical, I paid for the newsguy service so I had a
permanent email and web presence. But I'm embrassed to admit that I have
problems date/time problems on this machine, when I do post through GOL I post
from the future. All the configurations seem correct but mozilla refuses to
admit that I am in Tokyo not London (GMT).
>Maybe he's another customer who uses cable, so can't connect to GOL's
>news server at all?
>
Actually I use As*** so I have an alternate path into our network. There
shouldn't be any problem connecting to the news server from anywhere, you just
have to set authentication like Ryan and Matt have just done.
Louise Bremner
> >Maybe he's another customer who uses cable, so can't connect to GOL's
> >news server at all?
> >
>
> Actually I use As*** so I have an alternate path into our network. There
> shouldn't be any problem connecting to the news server from anywhere, you
> just have to set authentication like Ryan and Matt have just done.
That might be so now, I suppose.
It stopped working when we switched to cable, but then I discovered the
German server and our cable started providing Usenet access too, so I
never bothered trying to access the GOL server after that. (Every time I
tried to contact GOL about it, I got boilerplate announcements about
NTT-phone-based services in return, so I gave up.)
Scott Reynolds
Now that *is* nostalgic. I haven't used the GOL news server since I used
to connect using a dialup modem. <g>
And I do remember it was sometimes flaky back then. I had assumed Brett
had fixed that, though.
Scott Reynolds
Matthew Endo
> And I do remember it was sometimes flaky back then. I had assumed Brett
> had fixed that, though.
Yeah, our Brett can fix anything!
--
Matt
ma...@gol.com
Matthew Endo
> Hmmm, an e-mail address that ends in @classy.jp? Now that is sure to
> impress the clients.
I can't/don't understand why you freelance translators don't just go and
get your own domain name and host your own mail and FTP servers. It's
not that expensive, and the better hosting services provide webmail,
etc. so you can always access your account. Plus it lends credibility
to your "business name".
--
Matt
ma...@gol.com
Louise Bremner
Reg Blank
> Matthew Endo <ma...@gol.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>Hmmm, an e-mail address that ends in @classy.jp? Now that is sure to
>>>impress the clients.
>>
>>I can't/don't understand why you freelance translators don't just go and
>>get your own domain name and host your own mail and FTP servers. It's
>>not that expensive, and the better hosting services provide webmail,
>>etc. so you can always access your account. Plus it lends credibility
>>to your "business name".
>
>
> Too much hassle?
It's no hassle at all. It's a lot less troublesome than for exmaple
getting your visa renewed, or getting your gaijin card updated, or
getting a 印鑑証明 :)
Reg.
Haluk Skywalker
yazdı:1g695w7.1qc...@yahoobb219000172006.bbtec.net...
Most of us do have our own domain. I have mine, but although I promote it
well, I don't think it contributes much to my business. I keep it because
it's like an essential, *gotta have* for a freelance translator.
what...@yourname.com looks cool, and having a domain is an affordable
thing. But I have never thought using ftp in my business. I suspect my
clients (agencies) wouldn't like the idea as it is a bleach to
confidentiality of their business.
Haluk Skywalker
yazdı:1g69d6i.auw5uw11fz9isN%dame_...@yahoo.com...
> Matthew Endo <ma...@gol.com> wrote:
>
> > > Hmmm, an e-mail address that ends in @classy.jp? Now that is sure to
> > > impress the clients.
> >
> > I can't/don't understand why you freelance translators don't just go and
> > get your own domain name and host your own mail and FTP servers. It's
> > not that expensive, and the better hosting services provide webmail,
> > etc. so you can always access your account. Plus it lends credibility
> > to your "business name".
>
> Too much hassle?
Not at all. I bartered mine for website localization but domain hosting
services are dirt cheap and they handle everything for you. You just provide
some information on web forms and that's it.
Only having a decent site designed would be a concern and perhaps a little
pricey. But I hired a collage student to design the site for me. He did a
pretty decent work for the peanuts I paid him.
Scott Reynolds
Some of us do in fact do that very thing. Some of us can't be bothered,
though.
Scott Reynolds
> Most of us do have our own domain. I have mine, but although I promote it
> well, I don't think it contributes much to my business. I keep it because
> it's like an essential, *gotta have* for a freelance translator.
I disagree. I know of several freelance translators who have their own
domains, but I know of many more who do not (or if they do are keeping
it a secret).
Now if you are running an agency, even a small operation, that would be
something different. But I don't see any need for an individual
freelancer to go to the bother of setting up and maintaining their own
domain. I think it is quite sufficient to have an e-mail address from a
well-known and reputable provider (ie, not AOL.COM, YAHOO.COM, or the like).
Brett Robson
If anyone does want a web site am always available, I'm experienced in
multilingual environments. Not to keen on having to write the copy though.
b-robson at gol com
Brett Robson
>
>Scott Reynolds <s...@gol.com> wrote:
>
>> And I do remember it was sometimes flaky back then. I had assumed Brett
>> had fixed that, though.
>
>Yeah, our Brett can fix anything!
Except my own computer. It is so embarrassing, date and time is wrong, the
installed fonts are shit, and there are files all over the place. You know what
they say, mechanics have the worst cars, doctors the worst health ...
Norman Diamond
news:brsj4c$2rji$1...@news.typhoon.co.jp...
> At least OCN responds to messages sent to to their abuse@ address.
They reply with no-ops and they keep supporting the same spammers over and
over and over. They'll never disconnect their biggest spamming partners.
Matthew Endo
> what...@yourname.com looks cool, and having a domain is an affordable
> thing. But I have never thought using ftp in my business. I suspect my
> clients (agencies) wouldn't like the idea as it is a bleach to
> confidentiality of their business.
Huh? You would have separate FTP directories for each client.
--
Matt
ma...@gol.com
Ryan Ginstrom
"Matthew Endo" <ma...@gol.com> wrote in message
> I can't/don't understand why you freelance translators don't just go and
> get your own domain name and host your own mail and FTP servers. It's
> not that expensive, and the better hosting services provide webmail,
> etc. so you can always access your account. Plus it lends credibility
> to your "business name".
As others have said, most freelancers don't think it's worth the effort. In
my case, I have a closed group of clients I work with, and am not looking
for more clients right now (unless they pay MUCH better, not likely in the
current economic climate). So credibility isn't really a factor, and I don't
want higher professional visibility.
The only thing that my own domain name/email server would give me is more
stability. I'm sure it has been very annoying for my clients over the past
two years, since I've changed my mailing address & phone number twice, bank
account once, and email three times. Hopefully the address/phone number/bank
account will be the last time for the next couple decades, though.
And of course, if I had just stuck to gol throughout I never would have had
to change my email with my clients... live and learn!
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Michael Cash
<yokoo...@spam.net> belched the alphabet and kept on going with:
>Matthew Endo" <ma...@gol.com>, haber iletisinde ?unlar?
>yazd?:1g695w7.1qc...@yahoobb219000172006.bbtec.net...
Not at all. So long as you set user accounts with passwords and don't
allow anonymous ftp, there isn't much to worry about.
--
Michael Cash
"Clinically speaking, Mr. Cash, in males the onset of middle age is defined
as that point at which the number of hours one can go between orgasms with
neither physical discomfort nor mental distress first exceeds the number of
hours one can do the same between bowel movements."
Dr. Floyd Lawson
Student Health Center
Mount Pilot College
Haluk Skywalker
yazdi:ogjauv0camb2bqll1...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 09:25:50 +0200, "Haluk Skywalker"
> <yokoo...@spam.net> belched the alphabet and kept on going with:
>
> >Matthew Endo" <ma...@gol.com>, haber iletisinde ?unlar?
> >yazd?:1g695w7.1qc...@yahoobb219000172006.bbtec.net...
> >> Scott Reynolds <s...@gol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hmmm, an e-mail address that ends in @classy.jp? Now that is sure to
> >> > impress the clients.
> >>
> >> I can't/don't understand why you freelance translators don't just go
and
> >> get your own domain name and host your own mail and FTP servers. It's
> >> not that expensive, and the better hosting services provide webmail,
> >> etc. so you can always access your account. Plus it lends credibility
> >> to your "business name".
> >
> >Most of us do have our own domain. I have mine, but although I promote it
> >well, I don't think it contributes much to my business. I keep it because
> >it's like an essential, *gotta have* for a freelance translator.
> >
> > what...@yourname.com looks cool, and having a domain is an affordable
> >thing. But I have never thought using ftp in my business. I suspect my
> >clients (agencies) wouldn't like the idea as it is a bleach to
> >confidentiality of their business.
>
> Not at all. So long as you set user accounts with passwords and don't
> allow anonymous ftp, there isn't much to worry about.
>
I know, but than I would have to convince each and every client (who would
probably think a computer is equal to windows + MS word) that ftp is safe
and secure for their data. Even than they wouldn't go for it.
At the moment e-mail serves good for small files and I write the larger ones
on CD and send through courier. I might, however, consider configuring my
ftp server, *if* I settle in Japan again and keep my clients in Turkey
Haluk Skywalker
Correction. It should have been "... I suspect my clients (agencies)
wouldn't like the idea as they know shit about computers and they might
think it is a bleach to confidentiality of their business." That's what I
actually meant, sorry.
Haluk Skywalker
yazdi:bs133g$4pa$1...@newsflood.tokyo.att.ne.jp...
> On 12/20/2003 4:25 PM, Haluk Skywalker wrote:
>
> > Most of us do have our own domain. I have mine, but although I promote
it
> > well, I don't think it contributes much to my business. I keep it
because
> > it's like an essential, *gotta have* for a freelance translator.
>
> I disagree. I know of several freelance translators who have their own
> domains, but I know of many more who do not (or if they do are keeping
> it a secret).
>
> Now if you are running an agency, even a small operation, that would be
> something different. But I don't see any need for an individual
> freelancer to go to the bother of setting up and maintaining their own
> domain. I think it is quite sufficient to have an e-mail address from a
> well-known and reputable provider (ie, not AOL.COM, YAHOO.COM, or the
like).
It is sufficient in a small market for a *common* language pair -such as
English - Japanese in Japan or English - Turkish in Turkey etc. But if
you're working on a language pair that is quite rare (such as Spanish -
Japanese in Japan or Japanese - Turkish anywhere) you'd have to be open to
new clients. Perhaps you'd have to look for new clients constantly.
So I think it depends on many conditions, including the language pair,
location, market, target clients (agencies or end clients?), and how
familiar (or perhaps obsessed) the translator with the computers etc...
Matthew Endo
> And of course, if I had just stuck to gol throughout I never would have had
> to change my email with my clients... live and learn!
Yeah, I've had this address for ages.
--
Matt
ma...@gol.com
Brett Robson
Looking at some of the addresses our honorable customers have here it is quite
obvious they are old accounts, getting matt and log would be impossible these
days. They would have to be huge spam traps though?
Ryan Ginstrom
> At the moment e-mail serves good for small files and I write the larger
ones
> on CD and send through courier. I might, however, consider configuring my
> ftp server, *if* I settle in Japan again and keep my clients in Turkey
I have two clients who do not want to use ftp, for different reasons. In the
bad old days, they used to send me CDs/MOs/multiple floppies with the data.
Or print it all out and fax it of course, the typical solution of Japanese
IT specialists.
Then one client bought a license for me to use a file splitting utility, and
when they have a file over ~3MB, they split it into separate files, and let
me assemble them here. Same goes with deliveries.
For my other client, I wrote a simple file-splitting utility that does the
same thing as the commercial solution (but is less sexy).
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Ryan Ginstrom
"Brett Robson" <jet...@deja.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 18:55:42 +0900, Matthew Endo ...
> >
> >Ryan Ginstrom <gins...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> And of course, if I had just stuck to gol throughout I never would have
had
> >> to change my email with my clients... live and learn!
> >
> >Yeah, I've had this address for ages.
> >
> >
>
> Looking at some of the addresses our honorable customers have here it is
quite
> obvious they are old accounts, getting matt and log would be impossible
these
> days. They would have to be huge spam traps though?
I get almost zero spam at my ryang, and I have had it for at least 5 years.
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Brett Robson
Dear Customer.
I can fix that. What are you interested in? Porn, deai, viagara, penis or breast
enlargement, low interest loans, assisting with Nigerian money transfers, stock
advisories. All these and more. Got 'em all.
Louise Bremner
> Looking at some of the addresses our honorable customers have here it is
> quite obvious they are old accounts, getting matt and log would be
> impossible these days. They would have to be huge spam traps though?
At the time (way back at the start of GOL), spam was unknown....
I gather I would be getting a lot of spam if GOL's own spamtrap didn't
catch it, so I suppose I'll have to decide whether to pay 200yen a month
extra for it when it's no longer free, or give up on this account.
Scott Reynolds
> Brett Robson <jet...@deja.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Looking at some of the addresses our honorable customers have here it is
>>quite obvious they are old accounts, getting matt and log would be
>>impossible these days. They would have to be huge spam traps though?
>
>
> At the time (way back at the start of GOL), spam was unknown....
>
> I gather I would be getting a lot of spam if GOL's own spamtrap didn't
> catch it, so I suppose I'll have to decide whether to pay 200yen a month
> extra for it when it's no longer free, or give up on this account.
I thought the 200 yen a month was for some sort of new spam filtering,
in addition to what they are doing now. I mean, the current filtering,
which I find quite adequate, has been free all along. It seems a bit
unfair to suddenly start charging for it.
Louise Bremner
> On 12/22/2003 3:29 PM, Louise Bremner wrote:
> > Brett Robson <jet...@deja.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Looking at some of the addresses our honorable customers have here it is
> >>quite obvious they are old accounts, getting matt and log would be
> >>impossible these days. They would have to be huge spam traps though?
> >
> >
> > At the time (way back at the start of GOL), spam was unknown....
> >
> > I gather I would be getting a lot of spam if GOL's own spamtrap didn't
> > catch it, so I suppose I'll have to decide whether to pay 200yen a month
> > extra for it when it's no longer free, or give up on this account.
>
> I thought the 200 yen a month was for some sort of new spam filtering,
> in addition to what they are doing now. I mean, the current filtering,
> which I find quite adequate, has been free all along. It seems a bit
> unfair to suddenly start charging for it.
My wording might have been a bit careless.... As I understand it (which
might not be far, of course), the existing SpamAssassin remains, but
with the cutoff set for the common masses at a fairly high level. If you
pay the extra, you're able to adjust the level for yourself.
Matthew Endo
> >> And of course, if I had just stuck to gol throughout I never would have had
> >> to change my email with my clients... live and learn!
> >
> >Yeah, I've had this address for ages.
> >
> Looking at some of the addresses our honorable customers have here it is quite
> obvious they are old accounts, getting matt and log would be impossible these
> days. They would have to be huge spam traps though?
Nope, that's why I post with my real e-mail address both in the headers
and in the sig file.
I'm really pleased with GOL's spam filtering. Is it really just Spam
Assassin?
--
Matt
ma...@gol.com
Brett Robson
No there are actually a lot of different techniques being used. Fopr instance,
the email nazi (he is German) continually monitors for telltale signs spam, for
instance lots of incorrect addresses being used. Once his attention is raised he
can check the email and if it is indeed spam he can block that server from
attaching to our server, the spam doesn't even reach our server let alone your
mail box.
You can thank him for your clean mail box.
Over 60 percent of emails we receive are spam that you don't even see.
Scott Reynolds
> Scott Reynolds <s...@gol.com> wrote:
>
>
>>On 12/22/2003 3:29 PM, Louise Bremner wrote:
>>
>>>Brett Robson <jet...@deja.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Looking at some of the addresses our honorable customers have here it is
>>>>quite obvious they are old accounts, getting matt and log would be
>>>>impossible these days. They would have to be huge spam traps though?
>>>
>>>
>>>At the time (way back at the start of GOL), spam was unknown....
>>>
>>>I gather I would be getting a lot of spam if GOL's own spamtrap didn't
>>>catch it, so I suppose I'll have to decide whether to pay 200yen a month
>>>extra for it when it's no longer free, or give up on this account.
>>
>>I thought the 200 yen a month was for some sort of new spam filtering,
>>in addition to what they are doing now. I mean, the current filtering,
>>which I find quite adequate, has been free all along. It seems a bit
>>unfair to suddenly start charging for it.
>
> My wording might have been a bit careless.... As I understand it (which
> might not be far, of course), the existing SpamAssassin remains, but
> with the cutoff set for the common masses at a fairly high level. If you
> pay the extra, you're able to adjust the level for yourself.
OK, that makes sense. I would hate to think what would happen if some
fine day GOL went and turned off my spam filtering altogether.
Scott Reynolds
> No there are actually a lot of different techniques being used. Fopr instance,
> the email nazi (he is German) continually monitors for telltale signs spam, for
> instance lots of incorrect addresses being used. Once his attention is raised he
> can check the email and if it is indeed spam he can block that server from
> attaching to our server, the spam doesn't even reach our server let alone your
> mail box.
>
> You can thank him for your clean mail box.
Thank you, thank you, thank you, o Spam Nazi!
> Over 60 percent of emails we receive are spam that you don't even see.
I love it! I wonder how the other big ISPs stack up in comparison.
Michael Cash
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>On 12/23/2003 2:04 PM, Brett Robson wrote:
>
>> No there are actually a lot of different techniques being used. Fopr instance,
>> the email nazi (he is German) continually monitors for telltale signs spam, for
>> instance lots of incorrect addresses being used. Once his attention is raised he
>> can check the email and if it is indeed spam he can block that server from
>> attaching to our server, the spam doesn't even reach our server let alone your
>> mail box.
>>
>> You can thank him for your clean mail box.
>
>Thank you, thank you, thank you, o Spam Nazi!
>
>> Over 60 percent of emails we receive are spam that you don't even see.
>
>I love it! I wonder how the other big ISPs stack up in comparison.
Over 99 percent of the emails I receive are spam that I don't even
look at.
Matthew Endo
> I love it! I wonder how the other big ISPs stack up in comparison.
Well, earthlink.net is pretty darn good. If you are comparing major
Japanese ISPs, well, I have yet to hear about a Japanese system admin
who hates spam as much as 99% of their American/European counterparts.
Most of the Yanks take spam as a personal insult.
--
Matt
ma...@gol.com
Matthew Endo
> You can thank him for your clean mail box.
Give him my regards. I remember exchanging e-mails with the guy a few
years back before spam was so rampant.
> Over 60 percent of emails we receive are spam that you don't even see.
Only 60%? That seems like a low figure.
--
Matt
ma...@gol.com
Norman Diamond
> Well, earthlink.net is pretty darn good.
10 years ago Earthlink got tired of my complaints about their spams and they
started bouncing my complaints. Same as CSL-GMBH does now. They've never
apologized either. If Earthlink has reformed, they sure don't want anyone
to know about it.