Winny P2P users are arrested in Japan developers home raided
Elbow
http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/8603&foo=Winny%20P2P%20users%20are%20arrested%20in%20Japan%20developers%20home%20raided%2012--03
I thought I was safe over here (Japan).
Has anyone read anything about this yet?
What are the laws regarding this stuff?
Elbow
Michael Cash
belched the alphabet and kept on going with:
It isn't all that hard to understand. Swapping copyrighted material is
illegal. The cops present a judge with evidence that a crime has been
committed and point out that some evidence (the computer) is contained
within the suspect's home. The judge issues a search warrant.
Hibijibi
> (Elbow) belched the alphabet and kept on going with:
>
> It isn't all that hard to understand. Swapping copyrighted material is
> illegal.
Actually no, there are many situations (most?) where it is perfectly legal
to swap copyrighted material. Infringing on copyright, on the other hand,
is only sometimes legal.
However it is certainly safe to say, as Mike implies above, that virtually
all record companies regard the activity commonly known as file-sharing as
illegal. Doesn't mean they're right, but for now they are determining the
reality.
<Sorry, the more I study this issue the more pissy I become. Seriously
considering becoming a file-sharing activist.>
While I'm on this subject, can any legal-eagles out there verify for me that
the fate of Napster, and by extension the legal status of file-sharing in
general, was concluded at one short preliminary hearing presided by Judge
Patel (that there was no appeal)?
Described here:
www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,37558,00.html
Best regards,
Hibijibi
Crunch Buttsteak
>I found this article
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>I thought I was safe over here (Japan).
>Has anyone read anything about this yet?
If these are the 2 Ying-Yong speakin' ding-dongs that I read about
someplace else, they downloaded the movies and software, uploaded the
stuff to a personal web page, then went and linked the **FREE MOVIES
AND SOFTWARE** on some popular BBS/newsgroup.
BAKA, with a capital ば!
--
Bryan with a マ-ファキン "Y"
Robert
> shoulder. Nor should you. Don't turn yourself in or anything.
Far fewer people are involved with the movies, since they are
insanely long downloads.
Essentially, the Copyright Nazis scan users just as some user
would, and log someone with a lot of songs on their hit list.
If you just download and don't share, you are pretty much safe.
But that's their goal - scare everyone into leeching instead of
sharing. So far, it has been a big failure, despite their
big subpoena publicity.
But one site with almost daily updates on this kind of news
is at http://www.slyck.com
Robert
mr.sumo snr.
news:dont-need-111...@66-214-249-101.gln-eres.charterpipeline.net...
Insanely long downloads? Not if you're on B-flets or the 26mb ADSL
services. A 'friend' - manages to snag full DVD ISOs in about 6-8 hours from
various bittorrent sites. The 'friend' must admit though that he is alert
to the fact that such downloads are more likely to attract the attention of
'the powers that be' than almost anything other type of downloads. The
number one site specializing in these type of files was basically sent
'underground' - another word for IRC.
--
jonathan
--
"Never give a gun to ducks"
Hibijibi
> "Robert" wrote first...
> > Far fewer people are involved with the movies, since they are
> > insanely long downloads.
> >
> services. A 'friend' - manages to snag full DVD ISOs in about 6-8 hours
from
> various bittorrent sites.
To me this illustrates perfectly the sort of weird socio-cultural disconnect
between those folks on the file-sharing planet, and the rest of us. I would
never, ever, consider 6-8 hours of downloading to be anything but insanely
long, especially when you consider that at a B-flets spec of 100mbps your
friend should, in theory, be able to download a 4.7gb DVD in less than 10
minutes.
But a non-rhetorical question: How much would you pay to download a
mint-quality DVD in less than 10 minutes? I suppose such fast hosting would
cost the distributor at least $100 grand/mo. Guessing an OC-12 capable of
pushing out 622mbps, in theory it could support 20,000 DVD downloads per
month. But I don't know what the hell I'm talking about.
Best regards,
hibijibi
Michael Cash
belched the alphabet and kept on going with:
>"mr.sumo snr." wrote...
>> "Robert" wrote first...
>> > Far fewer people are involved with the movies, since they are
>> > insanely long downloads.
>> >
>> Insanely long downloads? Not if you're on B-flets or the 26mb ADSL
>> services. A 'friend' - manages to snag full DVD ISOs in about 6-8 hours
>from
>> various bittorrent sites.
>
>To me this illustrates perfectly the sort of weird socio-cultural disconnect
>between those folks on the file-sharing planet, and the rest of us. I would
>never, ever, consider 6-8 hours of downloading to be anything but insanely
>long, especially when you consider that at a B-flets spec of 100mbps your
>friend should, in theory, be able to download a 4.7gb DVD in less than 10
>minutes.
When you consider:
1. Contrary to what that knucklehead who couldn't figure out WinMX
thinks, we don't have to sit there and monitor the download. We can
engage in other activities.
2. The alternative to obtaining it via a several hours long download
is to not have it at all.
>
>But a non-rhetorical question: How much would you pay to download a
>mint-quality DVD in less than 10 minutes? I suppose such fast hosting would
>cost the distributor at least $100 grand/mo. Guessing an OC-12 capable of
>pushing out 622mbps, in theory it could support 20,000 DVD downloads per
>month. But I don't know what the hell I'm talking about.
Nice, if there were no other random bottlenecks between the host and
the recipient.
--
Michael Cash
"Tom Cruise saves late 19th Century Japan from creepy politicians and creeping
Westernization in "The Last Samurai," another Hollywood epic that shows that
nobody embodies the nobility of an exotic foreign culture like a visiting white
guy."
John Beifuss
Drew Hamilton
>On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:27:25 +0900, "Hibijibi" <km...@columbia.edu>
>belched the alphabet and kept on going with:
>>pushing out 622mbps, in theory it could support 20,000 DVD downloads per
>>month. But I don't know what the hell I'm talking about.
>
>Nice, if there were no other random bottlenecks between the host and
>the recipient.
Nice thing about BitTorrent versus traditional file-sharing apps
is that random bottlenecks like that have a much smaller impact.
--
- awh
http://www.awh.org/
Drew Hamilton
>I would
>never, ever, consider 6-8 hours of downloading to be anything but insanely
>long
Well, I sleep for 6-8 hours every night, so it's pretty easy to
start a download and then go to sleep.
Hibijibi
> Hibijibi wrote:
> >I would never, ever, consider 6-8 hours of downloading
> >to be anything but insanely long
>
> Well, I sleep for 6-8 hours every night, so it's pretty easy to
> start a download and then go to sleep.
Oh, I understand why it makes sense in a multitask computing environment and
is worth doing and all. My angle is more from the perspective of the video
owners and distributors, who are needlessly making a big fuss over this kind
of sharing if I'm correct that the number of people willing to put in such
an effort to see works via this method is quite small.
It's doesn't really matter what product or service it is. I, like most
consumers, want immediate gratification and am willing to pay for it. I
think I might pay $9.99 to download a DVD in 10 minutes. If you don't
really like the movie, you can just delete it off your hard drive. If it
was really good, you could copy it to your own DVD. This would create
collector's syndrome in many consumers and a bonanza for content
distributors.
best!
hibijibi
mr.sumo snr.
news:brslh6$77rac$1...@ID-149122.news.uni-berlin.de...
I think, since the vast majority of bittorrent DVD ISOs are English language
movies (though I'm seeing more French, German and Spanish movies recently)
the studio powers that be will probably consider it a waste of time to focus
their attentions too closely on p2p and other filesharing networks in Japan.
The average Watanabe-san is not exactly going to be interested in a DVD-rip
of the League of Excellent Gentlemen if he can't switch to Japanese
subtitles.
I would guess most DVD copyright infringements in Japan are committed using
rented and borrowed DVDs - probably 90% rented in fact since borrowing
something in Japan involves a potential lifetime of reciprocating. Hell,
the blank DVD-R discs are sold in boxes at the end of the DVD rental movie
aisles at my local Tsutaya. The studios may not be making a bundle from DVD
sales but at least they're getting their cut from the rental fees.
BTW has anyone here invested in an under-the-TV DVD recorder? and/or hard
disk video recorder? Any thoughts, recommendations, pitfalls?
--
jonathan
--
"Never give a Yamada point card to ducks"
