I just bought an old power mac and need some major help
Ed
disease) I got tired of the inactivity of watching him play Stuffy 2 on his
game boy and took a walk. Right next to the hospital is a computer store
that is going out of business. I walk in and there's almost nothing on the
shelves. What they do have is an old demo version of a power mac 8500/120
selling for 1,500 yen. A 17 inch monitor was going for 1,000 yen so I bought
the computer and monitor and told my daughter that it's her computer.
She was ecstatic about having her own computer until we powered the thing
up. I'm a windows dude. I don't know jack about apple computers. She want's
to access the internet, but I can't figure this thing out for the life of
me.
All I know is that it has version 8 something of a mac OS.
Help, help, help!!!
--
you know I should of suspected he was gay. his pecker tasted like shit.
Eric Takabayashi
> While sitting with my son at the hospital (he's been diagnosed with Perthes
> disease)
I'm sorry to hear that. Childhood illness is one of my few fears in Japan, even
worse than losing my job or being poor.
I hope your recent posts are not related to something in the medical system.
Ed
"Eric Takabayashi" <eta...@yahoo.co.jp> wrote in message
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> Ed wrote:
>
> > While sitting with my son at the hospital (he's been diagnosed with
Perthes
> > disease)
>
> I'm sorry to hear that. Childhood illness is one of my few fears in Japan,
even
> worse than losing my job or being poor.
>
> I hope your recent posts are not related to something in the medical
system.
Yes, they are most definitely related.
Now what about getting my daughter's new computer hooked up to the net so
she can surf the morning musume (or whatever the newest kewl band is called)
pages? I know you use an old mac so come on old hoss. Where's the mac
version of internet explorer?
Eric Takabayashi
You can get it free online.
I got mine with my OS 9. I used Netscape until I got my latest computer, and
only bought that because my old Power Mac from 96 was unable to dial up. It all
happened when three NTT trucks came around after a new house went up across the
road, though NTT and my computer store denied it.
Gerry
<gwb...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
> All I know is that it has version 8 something of a mac OS.
I'd suggest you ask your specific questions of the crew here:
comp.sys.mac.apps
Everybody's all a-flutter over the recently-released OS 10.3, so there
not exactly enthralled with dealing with an ancient system 8.
The 8500 won't run OS X, but it is upgradeable to 9.2x. I have 9.21 on
a separate partition for older stuff.
Additionally most of the shareware/freeware (commercial as well) is
still available for the older (meaning 9.x) systems. There's much
cut-out and discontinued software still available for such systems.
--
///--- Vote for the richest Republican. He understand the common man.
Dan Rempel
Those old macs are so easy to use that people accustomed to windoze are
often puzzled. In any case, if you can find a copy of the O'Reilly book
"Mac OS in a Nutshell" all will be revealed; in the meantime get a copy
of Netscape around version 4.2, and look under the Apple menu for
Network settings. I no longer have my old Quadra, so I can't actually
fire up the old Mac OS, but I remeber it being absurdly easy to
configure, so with any luck you'll have the same experience. And, before
I forget, it seems to me that there's some kind of "baloon help" on the
old macs that will pretty much walk you through the setup.
Hope this helps, sorry about your son,
Dan
Louise Bremner
> While sitting with my son at the hospital (he's been diagnosed with Perthes
> disease)
Poor lad--how old is he? (I had never heard of Perthes disease before,
so I've been reading up on it).
> I got tired of the inactivity of watching him play Stuffy 2 on his
> game boy and took a walk. Right next to the hospital is a computer store
> that is going out of business. I walk in and there's almost nothing on the
> shelves. What they do have is an old demo version of a power mac 8500/120
> selling for 1,500 yen. A 17 inch monitor was going for 1,000 yen so I bought
> the computer and monitor and told my daughter that it's her computer.
Sounds like a good bargain. Now that all Mac users are being nagged into
going for G5, you might be able to find a G3 or G4 upgrade card for the
8500 going cheap (that kept my 7100 going for some time). How much
memory is installed?
>
> She was ecstatic about having her own computer until we powered the thing
> up. I'm a windows dude. I don't know jack about apple computers. She want's
> to access the internet, but I can't figure this thing out for the life of
> me.
Presumably you do have a modem connected to it? Or it has an internal
one? Did it come with system disks?
>
> All I know is that it has version 8 something of a mac OS.
Click on the Desktop to make sure you are in the Finder, then pull down
the Apple menu at the top-left of the screen and select the first item
(probably "kono kompyu-ta ni tsuite" if it's a Japanese system). That
will tell you what system it is. It might be 8.6 (the last of the System
8 upgrades), if not you can download an updater from
<http://tinyurl.com/w5dy> or
<http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Update
s/Japanese/Macintosh/System/>.
I'd suggest a clean install (if you do have the CD), because there's no
way of knowing what's been done to it while it was a demo model.
I wonder if the 8500 can upgrade gracefully to OS9, since it's possible
we have a spare OS9 disk.
The Internet setup stuff is at TCP/IP under that same menu, but it's so
long since I've used the dial-up modem I'm afraid I can't talk you
through that.
>
> Help, help, help!!!
>
> --
> you know I should of suspected he was gay. his pecker tasted like shit.
Hmmmmm.... unfortunate .sig under the circs.
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Ed
" Louise Bremner" <dame_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Ed <gwb...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>
> > While sitting with my son at the hospital (he's been diagnosed with
Perthes
> > disease)
>
> Poor lad--how old is he? (I had never heard of Perthes disease before,
> so I've been reading up on it).
He'll be ten next month. I had never heard about it either. It means that he
won't be able to do any sports related activities for about two years. He'll
have to wear leg braces or crutches...
> > I got tired of the inactivity of watching him play Stuffy 2 on his
> > game boy and took a walk. Right next to the hospital is a computer store
> > that is going out of business. I walk in and there's almost nothing on
the
> > shelves. What they do have is an old demo version of a power mac
8500/120
> > selling for 1,500 yen. A 17 inch monitor was going for 1,000 yen so I
bought
> > the computer and monitor and told my daughter that it's her computer.
>
> Sounds like a good bargain. Now that all Mac users are being nagged into
> going for G5, you might be able to find a G3 or G4 upgrade card for the
> 8500 going cheap (that kept my 7100 going for some time). How much
> memory is installed?
Okay, you're talking gibberish here. I am a windows user. What is a G3 or G4
and why would I need to upgrade? I figure that this thing will at least be
capable of running a web browser and maybe a few games. It has 48 megs of
memory (or something around there). It was an old demo model that never sold
before it became obsolete. I think they just put it in the back of the shop
and left it there.
> >
> > She was ecstatic about having her own computer until we powered the
thing
> > up. I'm a windows dude. I don't know jack about apple computers. She
want's
> > to access the internet, but I can't figure this thing out for the life
of
> > me.
>
> Presumably you do have a modem connected to it? Or it has an internal
> one? Did it come with system disks?
It has a slot in the back that accepts an ethernet cable. I have the cable
in there, and it is connected to a hub. Now this works fine with my windows
machine, but there is no browser that I can find on the OS, I can't seem to
copy apple software onto my windows computer and then use it on the apple.
It just says something about the text being too long.
No system disks.
> > All I know is that it has version 8 something of a mac OS.
>
> Click on the Desktop to make sure you are in the Finder, then pull down
> the Apple menu at the top-left of the screen and select the first item
> (probably "kono kompyu-ta ni tsuite" if it's a Japanese system). That
> will tell you what system it is. It might be 8.6 (the last of the System
> 8 upgrades), if not you can download an updater from
> <http://tinyurl.com/w5dy> or
> <http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Update
> s/Japanese/Macintosh/System/>.
It's version 8.1.
Now I would just love to update the computer with those links you provided.
Unfortunately, unless apples are vastly different from windows machines, you
need a browser to open a link.
mr.sumo snr.
news:bpnfk5$luh$1...@cobalt01.janis.or.jp...
Ed, really sorry to hear about your son - is he in the children's hospital
in Matsumoto? Sumo. jnr had to have an operation there when he was 6 weeks
old (pyloric stenosis). Our personal experience of the place was very good.
The care was excellent, nurses kind yet at all times professional, great
doctors - all of them with people skills (a minor miracle in Japan).
BTW there are quite a few Mac bittorrent files over at supernova - use this
site http://www.torrentlinks.com/ to navigate there.
This site is also pretty good http://mac.torrentskickass.com/index.html but
you need to register (free) to access the goodies.
--
jonathan
--
"Never give a gun to ducks"
Louise Bremner
> " Louise Bremner" <dame_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1g4vcay.1y11ii41slesy4N%dame_...@yahoo.com...
> > Ed <gwb...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
> >
> > > While sitting with my son at the hospital (he's been diagnosed with
> Perthes
> > > disease)
> >
> > Poor lad--how old is he? (I had never heard of Perthes disease before,
> > so I've been reading up on it).
>
> He'll be ten next month. I had never heard about it either. It means that he
> won't be able to do any sports related activities for about two years. He'll
> have to wear leg braces or crutches...
<wince> And that will help him blend in well at school, won't it?
> > Sounds like a good bargain. Now that all Mac users are being nagged into
> > going for G5, you might be able to find a G3 or G4 upgrade card for the
> > 8500 going cheap (that kept my 7100 going for some time). How much
> > memory is installed?
>
> Okay, you're talking gibberish here. I am a windows user. What is a G3 or G4
> and why would I need to upgrade?
The 8500 was one of the second-generation (PCI bus) machines, before the
G3 (third generation) came out. There's some basic information about it
here: <http://www.lowendmac.com/ppc/8500.shtml>. There's also a mailing
list for these machines:
<http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/pci-powermacs.shtml>
Maybe someone there can be more helpful than me....
> I figure that this thing will at least be
> capable of running a web browser and maybe a few games. It has 48 megs of
> memory (or something around there).
That's a little low, but not dramatically so (but I'm not sure that OS9
would run in that, so let's stick with OS8 for the moment).
> > Presumably you do have a modem connected to it? Or it has an internal
> > one? Did it come with system disks?
>
> It has a slot in the back that accepts an ethernet cable.
There also ought to be a phone socket too....
> I have the cable in there, and it is connected to a hub. Now this works
> fine with my windows machine, but there is no browser that I can find on
> the OS...
There's a Find command in the Finder, so look for Netscape or Internet
Explorer (but of course they might have been removed because it's a demo
model).
> I can't seem to copy apple software onto my windows computer and then use
> it on the apple. It just says something about the text being too long.
Nope--you can't copy direct, but I have a feeling that .sea
(self-extracting archive) files can be copied (it's just so long since
I've had to do this--sorry).
> No system disks.
Ouch. I think we gave our OS8 disks away--all I can find at the moment
is a bootable copy of OS 8.6E (English), and I'm not sure if all the
browser stuff is on it.
> Now I would just love to update the computer with those links you provided.
> Unfortunately, unless apples are vastly different from windows machines, you
> need a browser to open a link.
And yes, of course you need the browser first, before you can download
software (excuse me while I go bang my head against the wall....)
Ed
> And yes, of course you need the browser first, before you can download
> software (excuse me while I go bang my head against the wall....)
Thanks for all your help, Louise. I think I've figured out a way around this
problem. While floppies can't be shared thanks to formatting issues, I'm
pretty certain that a CDRW will work. I'm going to try to download netscape
for mac, copy it to a CD and see if that doesn't do the trick.
Now how do I go about joining one of those clubs where macintosh owners sit
around the modem and sneer at morons who use microsoft?
Ryan Ginstrom
> Thanks for all your help, Louise. I think I've figured out a way around
this
> problem. While floppies can't be shared thanks to formatting issues, I'm
> pretty certain that a CDRW will work. I'm going to try to download
netscape
> for mac, copy it to a CD and see if that doesn't do the trick.
Actually, a Mac should be able to read a Windows floppy, just not the other
way round.
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Eric Takabayashi
Oh, yeah.
But to be sure, format the disk on the Mac in PC format before you put data on
it, to be sure it is compatible, not just stick a PC disk with your valuable
data into the Mac.
Louise Bremner
> Thanks for all your help, Louise. I think I've figured out a way around
> this problem. While floppies can't be shared thanks to formatting issues,
> I'm pretty certain that a CDRW will work. I'm going to try to download
> netscape for mac, copy it to a CD and see if that doesn't do the trick.
Nope--the Mac has been able to read MS-DOS floppies for a long time, but
the problem is that the Doze systems strip off one of the forks of an
unprotected Mac application. (Data fork? Do I know what the fork I'm
talking about?)
> Now how do I go about joining one of those clubs where macintosh owners sit
> around the modem and sneer at morons who use microsoft?
There's <http://www.ringo.net/>, and they might know of other MUGs
nearer where you live. But Ringo was fairly moribund the last time I
took an interest....
Louise Bremner
> Nope--the Mac has been able to read MS-DOS floppies for a long time...
...but I forgot that there are some problems with floppies formatted by
NEC machines, especially 800k floppies and/or under Doze 98J (or maybe
just from that one client).
Haluk Skywalker
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http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/search.aspx?displaylang=en&categoryid=5
Marc
Hope your son will be OK, If diagnosed early I guess Perth's can be
remedied.
Funny, I also just bought an old PowerMac 7300. I am using it as a router in
my house, the idea being that it will be a hell of a lot less susceptible to
viruses and hacking (becuase friggin' no one writes sobig viruses for old
Macs).
The PowerMac 8500 was pretty much TOP OF THE LINE way way back in '97 or so
when it first came out. People would have killed you to get that computer.
What I think you have to do is look for the same circa 1997 software that it
used back then. Sometimes it is better to use older software just because of
system requirements, memory etc, which have all increased a lot since then.
I still use Internet Explorer from about 1998 for my mac.
Try this place "Resources for the Older Mac"
http://w3.trib.com/~dwood/oldmac.shtml
There are a few other sites as well. Also, you can find older software for
sale on ebay, quite cheap usually. I just bought an OS8.6 for about $15. If
you need ethernet cards etc you may have to go for older versions as well
(although I just bought one at my local computer store that said Mac OS9 and
up, but it works fine on OS8). The Powermac 8500 may have built-in ethernet.
But you need an adapter, called in the ol days an ethernet transceiver, etc
that plugs into a weird socket in the back of the mac and provides a
standard internet jack on the other end.
I'll be happy to assist with details, but I will be away for the next week.
I was just going through some of my old stuff and found I still had a floppy
containing the first version of Netscape (ver 1) produced for Mac back in
'95 or so. This was pre-Explorer days, and the only other browser around was
Mosaic. One day I gues I will donate it to the Smithsonian.