Am I unusual...
Louise Bremner
that have stayed with us unusual in that they don't expect us to show
them around, or even offer suggestions on what to see? (Just had a phone
call from someone who has taken upon herself the task of showing around
some visitors, and who seemed surprised that I couldn't suggest anything
without knowing the interests of the people concerned.)
So I suppose the next question is: what would you suggest gaigin go and
see on their one free day in Tokyo?
________________________________________________________________________
Louise Bremner (log at gol dot com)
If you want a reply by e-mail, don't write to my Yahoo address!
Scott Reynolds
> ...in not showing visiting gaigin around Tokyo? Or are all the visitors
> that have stayed with us unusual in that they don't expect us to show
> them around, or even offer suggestions on what to see? (Just had a phone
> call from someone who has taken upon herself the task of showing around
> some visitors, and who seemed surprised that I couldn't suggest anything
> without knowing the interests of the people concerned.)
>
> So I suppose the next question is: what would you suggest gaigin go and
> see on their one free day in Tokyo?
I suppose you could do worse than Kiyosumi Teien followed by a stop at
the Fukagawa Edo Shiryokan.
Either that or Tokyo Disneyland. <g>
--
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Scott Reynolds s...@gol.com
SR
> see on their one free day in Tokyo?
>
For technically inclined guys: Akihabara
For kids: Disneyland
For older people: Some of the big shrines (Meiji, Asakusa, Shinjuku Gyoen)
For yuppies: Harajuku
Others: Kabuki performance in the Ginza (They have special short-term
tickets which are not too expensive.)
For train enthusiasts: all day on the Yamanote-sen for 130 Yen :-)
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Louise Bremner
> > So I suppose the next question is: what would you suggest gaigin go and
> > see on their one free day in Tokyo?
>
> I suppose you could do worse than Kiyosumi Teien followed by a stop at
> the Fukagawa Edo Shiryokan.
Hmmmm.... What does it say about me if I admit I don't know anything
about either of those? Maybe I should do some sightseeing in Tokyo,
myself.
>
> Either that or Tokyo Disneyland. <g>
That was my first suggestion, shot down with an almost audible sneer.
(Gotta be something that gaigin-san would find uplifting and/or
educational.)
Louise Bremner
> > So I suppose the next question is: what would you suggest gaigin go and
> > see on their one free day in Tokyo?
> >
>
> For technically inclined guys: Akihabara
> For kids: Disneyland
> For older people: Some of the big shrines (Meiji, Asakusa, Shinjuku Gyoen)
Yes to all of the above (but what if the group is a mixture of people?).
> For yuppies: Harajuku
Not so interesting on a Monday--Sunday is the day to go (that holds for
Akiba too, to a certain extent).
>
> Others: Kabuki performance in the Ginza (They have special short-term
> tickets which are not too expensive.)
Yeah... way up in the Gods in rickety seats that seem ready to collapse
into the lower tiers at teh first earthquake....
> For train enthusiasts: all day on the Yamanote-sen for 130 Yen :-)
No need for a smiley--one guy who visited us apparently spent most of
the day on the various trains, entranced by the way you can look out the
front, past the driver (this was before the transportation museum
opened).
Michael Cash
Bremner) belched the alphabet and kept on going with:
>Scott Reynolds <s...@gol.com> wrote:
>
>> > So I suppose the next question is: what would you suggest gaigin go and
>> > see on their one free day in Tokyo?
>>
>> I suppose you could do worse than Kiyosumi Teien followed by a stop at
>> the Fukagawa Edo Shiryokan.
>
>Hmmmm.... What does it say about me if I admit I don't know anything
>about either of those? Maybe I should do some sightseeing in Tokyo,
>myself.
>>
>> Either that or Tokyo Disneyland. <g>
>
>That was my first suggestion, shot down with an almost audible sneer.
In such cases, reply with something along the lines of "If you don't
like my fucking answers, then don't ask me no fucking questions".
Scott Reynolds
> Scott Reynolds <s...@gol.com> wrote:
>
>>>So I suppose the next question is: what would you suggest gaigin go and
>>>see on their one free day in Tokyo?
>>
>>I suppose you could do worse than Kiyosumi Teien followed by a stop at
>>the Fukagawa Edo Shiryokan.
>
> Hmmmm.... What does it say about me if I admit I don't know anything
> about either of those? Maybe I should do some sightseeing in Tokyo,
> myself.
This is probably not the optimal time of year, but Kiyosumi Teien is
always a delight. It's just the right size, neither too small nor too
large. The easiest way to get there is the Oedo-sen (Kiyosumi-Shirakawa
Station) or the bus from Monzen-Nakacho.
Though (especially to first-time visitors) one Japanese garden is
probably pretty much the same as the next, Kiyosumi Teien has the great
advantage of being about a five-minute walk from the Fukagawa Edo
Shiryokan, which really is worth at least one visit. It's basically an
indoor recreation of a small section of Edo. (I think the idea is that
the exhibits inside are supposed to give you an idea of what the
neighborhood where the museum stands looked like in the Edo period.)
>>Either that or Tokyo Disneyland. <g>
>
> That was my first suggestion, shot down with an almost audible sneer.
> (Gotta be something that gaigin-san would find uplifting and/or
> educational.)
I suspected as much, hence my suggestions highlighting the old Japan
that really does not exist anymore.
Louise Bremner
> >> Either that or Tokyo Disneyland. <g>
> >
> >That was my first suggestion, shot down with an almost audible sneer.
>
> In such cases, reply with something along the lines of "If you don't
> like my fucking answers, then don't ask me no fucking questions".
Yeah, well, I'm a little too nice.
Louise Bremner
> >>I suppose you could do worse than Kiyosumi Teien followed by a stop at
> >>the Fukagawa Edo Shiryokan.
> >
> > Hmmmm.... What does it say about me if I admit I don't know anything
> > about either of those? Maybe I should do some sightseeing in Tokyo,
> > myself.
>
> This is probably not the optimal time of year, but Kiyosumi Teien is
> always a delight.
Depends on how much the leaves have turned there, I suppose.
> It's just the right size, neither too small nor too
> large. The easiest way to get there is the Oedo-sen (Kiyosumi-Shirakawa
> Station) or the bus from Monzen-Nakacho.
Oh wait.... Yes, I think I got taken there by the knitting circle I
attend, a couplathree years ago. Forgotten about it completely. Yes,
that would've been a good choice. And the museum sounds fascinating too
(to me, anyway, but would assorted gaigin with no knowledge of Tokyo's
past be so fascinated, I wonder?). Could probably get there by one of
the water buses, which is interesting in itself.
mtfe...@netmapsonscape.net
> So I suppose the next question is: what would you suggest gaigin go and
> see on their one free day in Tokyo?
If they've got money, everyone enjoys the Ginza.
The Ueno Zoo and National Museums are always cool.
If they're younger, and you want to avoid Shibuya and Shinjuku crowds,
Kitchijoji is cool.
And if it's the right season, and you don't take them for hanami, you're
doing them a disservice.
Mike
mtfe...@netmapsonscape.net
Are you getting to the Metamucil stage of life, Mr Cash?
Mike
Louise Bremner
> > So I suppose the next question is: what would you suggest gaigin go and
> > see on their one free day in Tokyo?
>
> If they've got money, everyone enjoys the Ginza.
Really? It just seems like a boring old shopping area to me (except at
weekends when at least they have "pedestrian heaven").
>
> The Ueno Zoo and National Museums are always cool.
Yup--took my sister to the museums, but not the zoo.
>
> If they're younger, and you want to avoid Shibuya and Shinjuku crowds,
> Kitchijoji is cool.
Ah, but the whole point of Shibuya and Shinjuku is the crowds....
>
> And if it's the right season, and you don't take them for hanami, you're
> doing them a disservice.
Yup.
Pete
I don't think you're unusual , most visitors who came to stay with us had a
pretty well planned out itinerary and pretty much left us alone.
We were just used, as most people I'm sure have found out as a
free Hotel. ( small charge of 240 Tetley Tea Bags per person).
But I did take them a few places, Shibuya crossing at rush hour ,
Depending on weather , top of the Metropolitan buildings.( Free)
( Roppongi Hills also has a viewing gallery now , worth paying the
extra to get up on the Helipad , as the outside galleries on the main
floor seemed to be always closed). to get that "Shit it's Big & Crowded"
experience.
The girlfriends father was taken to the top of Tokyu Hands in Shibuya
and left to work his way down , he had a great time.
Then there's always Meiji Shrine, Asakusa. The usual tourist trail
not forgetting Oriental Bizarre which I couldn't stand , but most
visitors seemed to spend hours in. ( If they've got the money
take them to Fuji-Torii next door (next to KiddyLand)
authentic Japanese art & pottery, Not made in China )
Probably need to be in Tokyo for more than one day , but
we always made sure visitors went up to Nikko, either
escorted or on their own.
For that extra special visitor , parents , grandparents etc.
as it's expensive.
The Helicopter Night Flight over Tokyo went down very well
Pete
Michael Cash
Bremner) belched the alphabet and kept on going with:
>Michael Cash <mike...@sunfield.ne.jp> wrote:
>
>> >> Either that or Tokyo Disneyland. <g>
>> >
>> >That was my first suggestion, shot down with an almost audible sneer.
>>
>> In such cases, reply with something along the lines of "If you don't
>> like my fucking answers, then don't ask me no fucking questions".
>
>Yeah, well, I'm a little too nice.
Well, Uklandize the grammar a bit if it makes you feel better.
Michael Cash
belched the alphabet and kept on going with:
>Michael Cash <mike...@sunfield.ne.jp> wrote:
>> On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:55:44 +0900, dame_...@yahoo.com ( Louise
>> Bremner) belched the alphabet and kept on going with:
>
>>>Scott Reynolds <s...@gol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> > So I suppose the next question is: what would you suggest gaigin go and
>>>> > see on their one free day in Tokyo?
>>>>
>>>> I suppose you could do worse than Kiyosumi Teien followed by a stop at
>>>> the Fukagawa Edo Shiryokan.
>>>
>>>Hmmmm.... What does it say about me if I admit I don't know anything
>>>about either of those? Maybe I should do some sightseeing in Tokyo,
>>>myself.
>>>>
>>>> Either that or Tokyo Disneyland. <g>
>>>
>>>That was my first suggestion, shot down with an almost audible sneer.
>
>> In such cases, reply with something along the lines of "If you don't
>> like my fucking answers, then don't ask me no fucking questions".
>
>Are you getting to the Metamucil stage of life, Mr Cash?
Here lately I spend altogether too large a portion of the day wishing
death and mayhem on the people around me. Is Metamucil strong enough?
Scott Reynolds
> Scott Reynolds <s...@gol.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>>I suppose you could do worse than Kiyosumi Teien followed by a stop at
>>>>the Fukagawa Edo Shiryokan.
>>>
>>>Hmmmm.... What does it say about me if I admit I don't know anything
>>>about either of those? Maybe I should do some sightseeing in Tokyo,
>>>myself.
>>
>>This is probably not the optimal time of year, but Kiyosumi Teien is
>>always a delight.
>
>
> Depends on how much the leaves have turned there, I suppose.
>
>
>>It's just the right size, neither too small nor too
>>large. The easiest way to get there is the Oedo-sen (Kiyosumi-Shirakawa
>>Station) or the bus from Monzen-Nakacho.
>
>
> Oh wait.... Yes, I think I got taken there by the knitting circle I
> attend, a couplathree years ago. Forgotten about it completely. Yes,
> that would've been a good choice. And the museum sounds fascinating too
> (to me, anyway, but would assorted gaigin with no knowledge of Tokyo's
> past be so fascinated, I wonder?). Could probably get there by one of
> the water buses, which is interesting in itself.
Interesting you should mention the water buses. They are great for
people who have been here a while, but not for tourists or new arrivals.
I remember how disappointed (disgusted) I was the first time I rode the
water bus down the Sumida, the first time I visited Japan. But now I
find it fascinating. I guess living here for a while can change your
perspective on things.
Dick Muhfukkin Bagswing
> death and mayhem on the people around me. Is Metamucil strong enough?
>
Maybe fuckin' not but!!!!
I hate ALL PEOPLE EVERYDAY and have found that a bowl of all bran cereal
every morning makes me shit an AMAZING bowel clearing log every day about
noon!
And after that I find that I don't really want to kill so many shitheads
after all!
Funny,huh?
Brian
mtfe...@netmapsonscape.net
> On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 05:38:52 +0000 (UTC), mtfe...@netMAPSONscape.net
> belched the alphabet and kept on going with:
>>>>That was my first suggestion, shot down with an almost audible sneer.
>>
>>> In such cases, reply with something along the lines of "If you don't
>>> like my fucking answers, then don't ask me no fucking questions".
>>
>>Are you getting to the Metamucil stage of life, Mr Cash?
> Here lately I spend altogether too large a portion of the day wishing
> death and mayhem on the people around me. Is Metamucil strong enough?
Probably not, but it would get you off the streets for awhile.
Mike
mtfe...@netmapsonscape.net
> <mtfe...@netMAPSONscape.net> wrote:
>> > So I suppose the next question is: what would you suggest gaigin go and
>> > see on their one free day in Tokyo?
>>
>> If they've got money, everyone enjoys the Ginza.
> Really? It just seems like a boring old shopping area to me (except at
> weekends when at least they have "pedestrian heaven").
Or at night, when all the neon's lighting the place up.
>> The Ueno Zoo and National Museums are always cool.
> Yup--took my sister to the museums, but not the zoo.
Everyone liked the panda.
>> If they're younger, and you want to avoid Shibuya and Shinjuku crowds,
>> Kitchijoji is cool.
> Ah, but the whole point of Shibuya and Shinjuku is the crowds....
Check out Kitchijoji.
>> And if it's the right season, and you don't take them for hanami, you're
>> doing them a disservice.
> Yup.
And if you hit Kitchijoji, you can walk quickly over to Inogashira Koen;
pretty any season.
Mike
Louise Bremner
> > So I suppose the next question is: what would you suggest gaigin go and
> > see on their one free day in Tokyo?
>
> I don't think you're unusual , most visitors who came to stay with us had
> a pretty well planned out itinerary and pretty much left us alone.
Good--I'm glad I'm not alone in having visitors who do their homework
beforehand. I show around family members, but unrelated guests (usually)
get out and go their own ways during the day, despite their lack of
knowledge of Japanese. I've sometimes had "please explain this to this
guy" phonecalls during the day, but that's it. I keep having to buy
those bilingual Atlases....
> We were just used, as most people I'm sure have found out as a
> free Hotel. ( small charge of 240 Tetley Tea Bags per person).
Tahini, in this case.
>
> But I did take them a few places, Shibuya crossing at rush hour ,
> Depending on weather , top of the Metropolitan buildings.( Free)
Yes and yes (and I suggested the viewing gallery of the Two-Finger
Salute, since it was bright and sunny).
> ( Roppongi Hills also has a viewing gallery now , worth paying the
> extra to get up on the Helipad , as the outside galleries on the main
> floor seemed to be always closed). to get that "Shit it's Big & Crowded"
> experience.
Didn't know about that one, so that goes on the list.
>
> The girlfriends father was taken to the top of Tokyu Hands in Shibuya
> and left to work his way down , he had a great time.
Not so good for a large party, though
>
> Then there's always Meiji Shrine, Asakusa.
That was another of my suggestions (how close is the Golden Turd, I
wonder?)
> For that extra special visitor , parents , grandparents etc.
> as it's expensive.
> The Helicopter Night Flight over Tokyo went down very well
Don't have such extra special visitors, but point noted....
Louise Bremner
> >> If they've got money, everyone enjoys the Ginza.
>
> > Really? It just seems like a boring old shopping area to me (except at
> > weekends when at least they have "pedestrian heaven").
>
> Or at night, when all the neon's lighting the place up.
HAven't been to the Ginza for a while, but does the lighting have
anything over the garish overload of Shinjuku?
> >> The Ueno Zoo and National Museums are always cool.
>
> > Yup--took my sister to the museums, but not the zoo.
>
> Everyone liked the panda.
I find them resistable....
>
> >> If they're younger, and you want to avoid Shibuya and Shinjuku crowds,
> >> Kitchijoji is cool.
>
> > Ah, but the whole point of Shibuya and Shinjuku is the crowds....
>
> Check out Kitchijoji.
Deliberate spelling? Maybe it's because I live so near, but I don't
think much of Kichijoji as a tourist sight. (Mind you, Inokashira Koen
during the hanami Sunday might be interesting to an innocent gaigin).
Louise Bremner
> >> >> Either that or Tokyo Disneyland. <g>
> >> >
> >> >That was my first suggestion, shot down with an almost audible sneer.
> >>
> >> In such cases, reply with something along the lines of "If you don't
> >> like my fucking answers, then don't ask me no fucking questions".
> >
> >Yeah, well, I'm a little too nice.
>
> Well, Uklandize the grammar a bit if it makes you feel better.
Not sure it would work anyway. Think Teflon. I'm still puzzling over the
call just before 8 AM on Saturday (after I'd finally got to sleep after
an asthma attack), commenting that the e-mail I sent with a text file
did not contain the original (physical) documents....
Ryan Ginstrom
" Louise Bremner" <dame_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1g4kb6q.osxy4gim95okN%dame_...@yahoo.com...
> ...in not showing visiting gaigin around Tokyo? Or are all the visitors
> that have stayed with us unusual in that they don't expect us to show
> them around, or even offer suggestions on what to see?
I think it depends on the person visiting. Some people want to hang out,
others want to see the sights. Some people like adventure, others need their
hand held to get on the train. Some people are hello-kitty loving
manga-reading geeks, others baseball freaks, other hard-core alcoholics and
panderers.
>(Just had a phone
> call from someone who has taken upon herself the task of showing around
> some visitors, and who seemed surprised that I couldn't suggest anything
> without knowing the interests of the people concerned.)
Just curious, is this "someone" a Japanese "someone?"
> So I suppose the next question is: what would you suggest gaigin go and
> see on their one free day in Tokyo?
Is it one day in Tokyo, or one "free" day? If you've only got a day for
Tokyo, I would say go for a bus tour. That way you've seen all the stuff you
are "supposed" to see, and can be excused from any further need to set foot
in that concreted shithole.
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Ryan Ginstrom
<mtfe...@netMAPSONscape.net> wrote in message
news:bp9mrm$igo$1...@news.Stanford.EDU...
> Louise Bremner <dame_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > So I suppose the next question is: what would you suggest gaigin go and
> > see on their one free day in Tokyo?
> The Ueno Zoo and National Museums are always cool.
I visited Ueno Zoo last year, and was quite underwhelmed.
Of course it could have been the lousy timing -- the pandas were on a road
trip, and the entire African section was being renovated, so most of the
cool animals weren't on display.
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Louise Bremner
> > ...in not showing visiting gaigin around Tokyo? Or are all the visitors
> > that have stayed with us unusual in that they don't expect us to show
> > them around, or even offer suggestions on what to see?
>
> I think it depends on the person visiting. Some people want to hang out,
> others want to see the sights. Some people like adventure, others need their
> hand held to get on the train. Some people are hello-kitty loving
> manga-reading geeks, others baseball freaks, other hard-core alcoholics and
> panderers.
Prezactly.
>
> >(Just had a phone
> > call from someone who has taken upon herself the task of showing around
> > some visitors, and who seemed surprised that I couldn't suggest anything
> > without knowing the interests of the people concerned.)
>
> Just curious, is this "someone" a Japanese "someone?"
Uh.... was there anything in my original post that suggested otherwise?
> > So I suppose the next question is: what would you suggest gaigin go and
> > see on their one free day in Tokyo?
>
> Is it one day in Tokyo, or one "free" day? If you've only got a day for
> Tokyo, I would say go for a bus tour.
I didn't ask. At the time, I thought it was the one day set aside for
"leisure" at the end of an all-expenses-paid junket for 20 pairs from 20
different countries, but then I realised that the organizers always send
them off on a bus trip to somewhere educational such as Nikko on that
day, and they wouldn't be delegating that task to that particular
person. I suspect it's just the few remaining gaigin who haven't rushed
home today but haven't made the other arrangements that the more clueful
people do. So I suspect it's a mixed bunch of not-very-adventurous
people who can't run very fast.
> ... can be excused from any further need to set foot
> in that concreted shithole.
Aw, c'mon, there are fascinating things to do in this shithole,
especially if you're not from a big city yourself....
Ryan Ginstrom
> Ryan Ginstrom <gins...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Just curious, is this "someone" a Japanese "someone?"
>
> Uh.... was there anything in my original post that suggested otherwise?
Nope.
> > ... can be excused from any further need to set foot
> > in that concreted shithole.
>
> Aw, c'mon, there are fascinating things to do in this shithole,
> especially if you're not from a big city yourself....
I agree, Tokyo has lots of things to do. The problem is, you need to be in
Tokyo to do them.
About a day or two at a time is all I can stand of the place, personally.
That's why I think a nice quickie, in-and-out bus assault is the best way to
see the city.
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Michael Cash
Bremner) belched the alphabet and kept on going with:
>Michael Cash <mike...@sunfield.ne.jp> wrote:
>
>> >> >> Either that or Tokyo Disneyland. <g>
>> >> >
>> >> >That was my first suggestion, shot down with an almost audible sneer.
>> >>
>> >> In such cases, reply with something along the lines of "If you don't
>> >> like my fucking answers, then don't ask me no fucking questions".
>> >
>> >Yeah, well, I'm a little too nice.
>>
>> Well, Uklandize the grammar a bit if it makes you feel better.
>
>Not sure it would work anyway. Think Teflon. I'm still puzzling over the
>call just before 8 AM on Saturday (after I'd finally got to sleep after
>an asthma attack), commenting that the e-mail I sent with a text file
>did not contain the original (physical) documents....
"That's strange. I can't understand it. I held the documents against
the screen when I hit 'send'...."
then hang up.
mtfe...@netmapsonscape.net
> <mtfe...@netMAPSONscape.net> wrote:
>> Or at night, when all the neon's lighting the place up.
> HAven't been to the Ginza for a while, but does the lighting have
> anything over the garish overload of Shinjuku?
Yeah; it's less crowded. A different group of people.
>> >> The Ueno Zoo and National Museums are always cool.
>>
>> > Yup--took my sister to the museums, but not the zoo.
>>
>> Everyone liked the panda.
> I find them resistable....
Try them deep-fried, with a bit of soy sauce and lemon.
>> >> If they're younger, and you want to avoid Shibuya and Shinjuku crowds,
>> >> Kitchijoji is cool.
>>
>> > Ah, but the whole point of Shibuya and Shinjuku is the crowds....
>>
>> Check out Kitchijoji.
> Deliberate spelling? Maybe it's because I live so near, but I don't
:-)
> think much of Kichijoji as a tourist sight. (Mind you, Inokashira Koen
> during the hanami Sunday might be interesting to an innocent gaigin).
I lived there (actually, Inogashira), and still never got tired of it.
Anyway, I thought the question was where to take people, not where to lead
tourists.
Mike
Louise Bremner
> > Deliberate spelling? Maybe it's because I live so near, but I don't
>
> :-)
> > think much of Kichijoji as a tourist sight. (Mind you, Inokashira Koen
> > during the hanami Sunday might be interesting to an innocent gaigin).
>
> I lived there (actually, Inogashira), and still never got tired of it.
That's odd--I know I have cloth ears, but I keep hearing it as
"Inokashira". I suppose I'll just have to listen better.
> Anyway, I thought the question was where to take people, not where to lead
> tourists.
It was actually two questions--where to take tourists and where to
suggest visitors should go, but yes, they have got mixed together.
Prophet of the Way
Louise Bremner wrote:
> That's odd--I know I have cloth ears, but I keep hearing it as
> "Inokashira". I suppose I'll just have to listen better.
Looks like "Inokashira" is authentic:
http://www.keio.co.jp/english/index.html
Michael Cash
<a...@wta.att.ne.jp> belched the alphabet and kept on going with:
http://www.cib.nig.ac.jp/dda/timanish/kakasi/kakasidict
You'll want to use Ctrl+F to help you on this one.
Louise Bremner
Wow.
Michael Cash
Bremner) belched the alphabet and kept on going with:
>Prophet of the Way <a...@wta.att.ne.jp> wrote:
>
>> > That's odd--I know I have cloth ears, but I keep hearing it as
>> > "Inokashira". I suppose I'll just have to listen better.
>>
>> Looks like "Inokashira" is authentic:
>> http://www.keio.co.jp/english/index.html
>
>Wow.
As I crossed 井の頭通り today, I took a quick look at a road sign and
noticed that it is romanized as "Inokashira".
I found that checking for the number of Japan Google hits on
いのかしら vs いのがしら was rather pointless. If you try it for
yourself you'll quickly notice the reason.
Michael Cash
<gins...@hotmail.com> belched the alphabet and kept on going with:
Sure they were. But they were all on the same side of the fence as
you, which is probably why you didn't notice them.