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Michael Cash

未読、
2003/09/22 21:12:192003/09/22
To:
Found this on a JET mailing list, posted under the person's name, and
with her e-mail address.

========================================================================

Sorry if this doesn`t apply but wanted to thank the people who looked
for my purse and didn`t want to miss anyone out!!
Because.....

I have found my purse?c.well someone did anyway!!!! It was found in
the supermarket we stopped at on Saturday in nakanojo!!!!! Someone
handed it in and the police called my boe yesterday afternoon BUT if
that wasn`t embarrassing enough?call that was inside were my cards,
420yen and my contraceptive pill!!! So?cI had to explain to my JTE`s
what was inside as the police wanted to know why I was carrying
pills!!! And as if it couldn`t get anyworse?c.they refused to post the
purse because the contents were so important so I had to got to the
Agatsuma Police Station directly?c..BUT?cthey wouldn`t let me drive
because I didn`t have my license!!!! (as it is illegeal
aparantly!!!??? Woops!!!) SO?clast night two of the most wonderful
JTE`s on the planet drove me all the way to Agatsuma police station
and back just to get my purse!!!!! How amazing are they!!!!!!! They
even took me for yakiniku afterwards and we got back to Niisato at
11pm last night!!! Ive had a full day of lessons today so this is
the first opportunity ive had to mail anyone!!!!! So basically drama
over!!! My school thinks I am hysterical!! And my JTE`s couldn`t stop
laughing when they explained the purses contents to the police!!!!

One of lifes classic moments!!!!! It all sounds too unreal to be
true?cbut I can assure you it is!!! Only I can get myself in these
situations!!! My classic response to my teachers was, ?ggomen nasai,
I am such a baka!!?h and they told the police, I was the famous
gaijin of Gunma..a bit of a legend!!!

So thanks for all looking!!!!

Catch up with you all soon and thanks to those who replied to the
International Festival!
Will be in touch soon!

Lots of love and giggles!
Sarah!! xxxxx

============================================================================

So it's embarassing if the cops know you're putting out, but you don't
mind announcing it to the whole world? Along with your name and e-mail
address? And don't ask me why the goofy bitch thought they
would/should just stick her shit in the mail for her.


Dave Fossett

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2003/09/22 23:11:452003/09/22
To:
Michael Cash wrote:

> My school thinks I am hysterical!!

I bet...

And then JETs wonder why they aren't treated as responsible adults.

--
Dave Fossett
Saitama, Japan

Michael Cash

未読、
2003/09/23 0:09:362003/09/23
To:
On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:11:45 +0900, "Dave Fossett"
<re...@via.newsgroup> belched the alphabet and kept on going with:

>Michael Cash wrote:
>
>> My school thinks I am hysterical!!
>
>I bet...
>
>And then JETs wonder why they aren't treated as responsible adults.

Ain't too hard to figure out the main topics of idle conjecture in the
staff room either:

1. I wonder who she's banging....
2. I wonder if she'll give me some too....


Brett Robson

未読、
2003/09/23 20:41:502003/09/23
To:
On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:12:19 +0900, Michael Cash ...

>
>Found this on a JET mailing list, posted under the person's name, and
>with her e-mail address.
>
>========================================================================
>
>Sorry if this doesn`t apply but wanted to thank the people who looked
>for my purse and didn`t want to miss anyone out!!
>Because.....
>


Wow!!!!! I'm glad everything worked out OK!!!!!!! I would have been really
worried too!!!!!!! If I had lost my wallet!!!!!!!!!!

>
>============================================================================
>
>So it's embarassing if the cops know you're putting out, but you don't
>mind announcing it to the whole world? Along with your name and e-mail
>address? And don't ask me why the goofy bitch thought they
>would/should just stick her shit in the mail for her.
>


Send me her address will you??????!!!!!!???????

.

----
"I went to Japan once, and was very dissapointed in what I saw."
quote from Japan Today forums.

obakesan

未読、
2003/09/23 21:12:062003/09/23
To:
HiYa

In article <bkqp8...@drn.newsguy.com>, Brett Robson <jet...@deja.com>
wrote:


>On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:12:19 +0900, Michael Cash ...
>>
>>Found this on a JET mailing list, posted under the person's name, and
>>with her e-mail address.
>>
>>========================================================================
>>
>>Sorry if this doesn`t apply but wanted to thank the people who looked
>>for my purse and didn`t want to miss anyone out!!
>>Because.....
>>
>
>
>Wow!!!!! I'm glad everything worked out OK!!!!!!! I would have been really
>worried too!!!!!!! If I had lost my wallet!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>
>>
>>============================================================================
>>
>>So it's embarassing if the cops know you're putting out, but you don't
>>mind announcing it to the whole world? Along with your name and e-mail
>>address? And don't ask me why the goofy bitch thought they
>>would/should just stick her shit in the mail for her.
>>
>
>
>Send me her address will you??????!!!!!!???????
>

there you go again, proving to all that Gaigin just cheat on their wives


See Ya
(when bandwidth gets better ;-)

Chris Eastwood

we tend to blame others for our problems
I think this is something we inherit from our parents

please remove undies for reply

Brett Robson

未読、
2003/09/23 21:56:412003/09/23
To:
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 01:12:06 GMT, obakesan ...

>
>there you go again, proving to all that Gaigin just cheat on their wives
>

Who's wife am I cheating on?

Michael Cash

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2003/09/24 14:02:442003/09/24
To:
On 23 Sep 2003 17:41:50 -0700, Brett Robson <jet...@deja.com> belched

the alphabet and kept on going with:

>----


>"I went to Japan once, and was very dissapointed in what I saw."
> quote from Japan Today forums.

I've been to Japan three times, and I am disappointed as well.

The 2-Belo

未読、
2003/09/24 21:47:442003/09/24
To:
Michael Cash and fj.life.in-japan is a baaaaaaaaaaad combination:

I was pretty disillusioned before I even came here in the first place.


--
The 2-Belo
the2belo[AT]msd[DOT]biglobe[DOT]ne[DOT]jp
news:alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk (mhm21x20)
news:alt.fan.karl-malden.nose (Meow.)
http://www.godhatesjanks.org/ (God Hates Janks!)

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Brett Robson

未読、
2003/09/26 0:20:252003/09/26
To:
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 03:02:44 +0900, Michael Cash ...


Don't give up, it might be better next time.

.

Dick Muhfukkin Bagswing

未読、
2003/09/28 6:46:262003/09/28
To:

> I was pretty disillusioned before I even came here in the first place.


No shit. As if Yingyangyong Land has the market cornered on making fuckers
disillusioned.

Shit,I've been disillusioned with this race since I was about 4 years old.
The only things that have kept me from being a mass murderer or serial
killer all these years is a hatred of jail and the fact that I hate
cleaning up messes.


Brian


The 2-Belo

未読、
2003/09/29 2:57:112003/09/29
To:
Dick Muhfukkin Bagswing and fj.life.in-japan is a baaaaaaaaaaad combination:

>
>> I was pretty disillusioned before I even came here in the first place.
>
>
>No shit. As if Yingyangyong Land has the market cornered on making fuckers
>disillusioned.
>
>Shit,I've been disillusioned with this race since I was about 4 years old.

You're certainly welcome to drop out of it. Or at least take a pit stop.


--
"NOW YOU COME OUT OF THAT TRUNK THIS INSTANT, CHIM-CHIM!"

Ryan Ginstrom

未読、
2003/09/29 3:29:012003/09/29
To:

"The 2-Belo" <the2...@msd.biPOKPOKglobe.ne.jp> wrote in message
news:3f77d7c5$0$2942$df06...@news.sexzilla.net...

> Dick Muhfukkin Bagswing and fj.life.in-japan is a baaaaaaaaaaad
combination:
> >Shit,I've been disillusioned with this race since I was about 4 years
old.
>
> You're certainly welcome to drop out of it. Or at least take a pit stop.

And Okinawa is as good a place to do so as anywhere.

--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom

Declan Murphy

未読、
2003/09/29 3:39:142003/09/29
To:
Ryan Ginstrom wrote:
> "The 2-Belo" <the2...@msd.biPOKPOKglobe.ne.jp> wrote in message
> news:3f77d7c5$0$2942$df06...@news.sexzilla.net...

>>You're certainly welcome to drop out of it. Or at least take a pit stop.


>
> And Okinawa is as good a place to do so as anywhere.

You can't fool me.

Surely you don't expect me to believe that you are lying back in a
hammock, pleasant breeze wafting through the palm trees, laptop gentling
resting on beer belly, straw hat, loud shirt, cheesy grin.

I mean, surely.


--
"Kick it to the shithouse" - Bob Dwyer, Saturday 2nd November, 1991.

Ryan Ginstrom

未読、
2003/09/29 3:56:142003/09/29
To:

"Declan Murphy" <declan...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3F77E1A2...@hotmail.com...

> Ryan Ginstrom wrote:
> > "The 2-Belo" <the2...@msd.biPOKPOKglobe.ne.jp> wrote in message
> > news:3f77d7c5$0$2942$df06...@news.sexzilla.net...
>
> >>You're certainly welcome to drop out of it. Or at least take a pit stop.
> >
> > And Okinawa is as good a place to do so as anywhere.
>
> You can't fool me.
>
> Surely you don't expect me to believe that you are lying back in a
> hammock, pleasant breeze wafting through the palm trees, laptop gentling
> resting on beer belly, straw hat, loud shirt, cheesy grin.
>
> I mean, surely.

Not quite, but in about a month with any luck. The FJLIJ (quasi) beach house
may be open for business by then.

--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom

The 2-Belo

未読、
2003/09/30 0:04:032003/09/30
To:
Ryan Ginstrom and fj.life.in-japan is a baaaaaaaaaaad combination:

I'm assuming you don't mean the main island, unless (and of course this is a
total blatant generalization, but who gives a fornk) one thinks that shouting to
be heard over the din of the transport helicopters and F-14s is relaxing.

Me, I think I'll just say the hell with Gifu, and move to Tristan da Cunha! The
most remote inhabited settlement on Earth! Yeah, that's it!

--

Ryan Ginstrom

未読、
2003/09/30 18:51:262003/09/30
To:

"The 2-Belo" <the2...@msd.biPOKPOKglobe.ne.jp> wrote in message
news:3f7900b0$0$2946$df06...@news.sexzilla.net...

> Ryan Ginstrom and fj.life.in-japan is a baaaaaaaaaaad combination:
> >"The 2-Belo" <the2...@msd.biPOKPOKglobe.ne.jp> wrote in message
> >news:3f77d7c5$0$2942$df06...@news.sexzilla.net...
> >> You're certainly welcome to drop out of it. Or at least take a pit
stop.
> >
> >And Okinawa is as good a place to do so as anywhere.
>
> I'm assuming you don't mean the main island, unless (and of course this is
a
> total blatant generalization, but who gives a fornk) one thinks that
shouting to
> be heard over the din of the transport helicopters and F-14s is relaxing.

Oh, it's not so bad once you get used to it. Besides, my windows only rattle
just a little when an F-15 flies by.

--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom

The 2-Belo

未読、
2003/09/30 20:07:512003/09/30
To:
Ryan Ginstrom and fj.life.in-japan is a baaaaaaaaaaad combination:

>
>"The 2-Belo" <the2...@msd.biPOKPOKglobe.ne.jp> wrote in message
>news:3f7900b0$0$2946$df06...@news.sexzilla.net...
>> Ryan Ginstrom and fj.life.in-japan is a baaaaaaaaaaad combination:
>> >"The 2-Belo" <the2...@msd.biPOKPOKglobe.ne.jp> wrote in message
>> >news:3f77d7c5$0$2942$df06...@news.sexzilla.net...
>> >> You're certainly welcome to drop out of it. Or at least take a pit
>stop.
>> >
>> >And Okinawa is as good a place to do so as anywhere.
>>
>> I'm assuming you don't mean the main island, unless (and of course this is
>a
>> total blatant generalization, but who gives a fornk) one thinks that
>shouting to
>> be heard over the din of the transport helicopters and F-14s is relaxing.
>
>Oh, it's not so bad once you get used to it. Besides, my windows only rattle
>just a little when an F-15 flies by.

I had to deal with this in Kakamigahara (near the JASDF air base) for three
years, every morning, with afterburners. Never again. My ears are *still*
ringing.

Ryan Ginstrom

未読、
2003/10/01 0:23:452003/10/01
To:

"The 2-Belo" <the2...@msd.biPOKPOKglobe.ne.jp> wrote in message
news:3f7a1ad3$0$2944$df06...@news.sexzilla.net...

> Ryan Ginstrom and fj.life.in-japan is a baaaaaaaaaaad combination:
> >Oh, it's not so bad once you get used to it. Besides, my windows only
rattle
> >just a little when an F-15 flies by.
>
> I had to deal with this in Kakamigahara (near the JASDF air base) for
three
> years, every morning, with afterburners. Never again. My ears are *still*
> ringing.

I was in the Air Force. At one time, my dorm was about 100 yards from the
runway. Believe me, I know about ringing ears. The worst was when the U2
would take off. That is one loud mofo.

Actually our house right now isn't all that bad -- I rarely hear the jets
except in the distance, and that's when the windows are open. And our new
house is even farther away.

--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom

Brett Robson

未読、
2003/10/01 0:35:552003/10/01
To:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:51:26 +0900, Ryan Ginstrom ...

>
>Oh, it's not so bad once you get used to it. Besides, my windows only rattle
>just a little when an F-15 flies by.
>


F-15s? I don't know much about US forces in Japan, inspite of the fact that I
listen to the US radio thingy in the morning but. Is there airforce down there?
I thought it was just navy.

Apparently the F-14s down the road (Yokota) are going back home to be retired,
they will be replaced with the Super Hornet.

.

The 2-Belo

未読、
2003/10/01 1:07:152003/10/01
To:
Ryan Ginstrom and fj.life.in-japan is a baaaaaaaaaaad combination:

> I rarely hear the jets

(I assume you mean "airplanes", although it could also mean "English teachers")

>except in the distance, and that's when
>the windows are open. And our new house is even farther away.

We don't have the warplanes now, we have the Reso'chas on final approach to
Nagoya Airport rumbling overhead all the time. Although that will die down a lot
when they finish the new airport.

Ryan Ginstrom

未読、
2003/10/01 2:03:292003/10/01
To:

"Brett Robson" <jet...@deja.com> wrote in message
news:bldlj...@drn.newsguy.com...

> On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:51:26 +0900, Ryan Ginstrom ...
> >
> >Oh, it's not so bad once you get used to it. Besides, my windows only
rattle
> >just a little when an F-15 flies by.
> >
>
>
> F-15s? I don't know much about US forces in Japan, inspite of the fact
that I
> listen to the US radio thingy in the morning but. Is there airforce down
there?
> I thought it was just navy.

I don't know crap about what planes and stuff they have down here, and don't
want to, but the big base near my house is Kadena Air Force Base. Pretty
sure I've seen F-15s parked out there.

--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom

Brett Robson

未読、
2003/10/01 4:28:152003/10/01
To:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:03:29 +0900, Ryan Ginstrom ...


Didn't they give you an orientation when you signed up?

They'll be F-15s then, noisy buggers. F-16 are smaller and you would probably
not confuse the two.

I was surfing(*) in Queensland once. When I was lying on my board two F-111s
(like F-14s but bigger) snuck up behind me, travelling at Mach 143 and at 50
meters above sealevel. Scared the crap out of me. I was already a bit shakey
after a dolphin leapt out of the water and slapped down on his/her side. Bloody
dolphins or maybe he was warning me about the planes.


* By using the word "surfing" I don't want anyone getting the idea that what I
do is commoning thought of as "surfing". My version involves falling down the
front of waves then getting hit on the head, you might like to think of it as
"extreme surfing".

Michael Cash

未読、
2003/10/01 5:54:292003/10/01
To:
On 30 Sep 2003 21:35:55 -0700, Brett Robson <jet...@deja.com> belched

the alphabet and kept on going with:

>On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:51:26 +0900, Ryan Ginstrom ...


>>
>>Oh, it's not so bad once you get used to it. Besides, my windows only rattle
>>just a little when an F-15 flies by.
>>
>
>
>F-15s? I don't know much about US forces in Japan, inspite of the fact that I
>listen to the US radio thingy in the morning but. Is there airforce down there?
>I thought it was just navy.

There are also Marines there. They're the ones you normally hear about
in rape cases. I'm not positive, but I believe the Army is also
present in Okinawa.


>
>Apparently the F-14s down the road (Yokota) are going back home to be retired,
>they will be replaced with the Super Hornet.

I remember when the F-4s and the A-7s were retired. I thought the A-7s
were cool as hell. Slower than molasses, but damned cool looking. I
remember standing on the signal bridge one fine day when an A-7 came
in from the starboard beam, turned up on one wing (so he could fit)
and flew *between* our forward and after stacks. Right over the signal
bridge. It felt like I could almost reach my hand up and touch his
wingtip. Crazy bastard. (Him, not me).

The F-14 was unique in that, as far as I know, it was the only plane
ever designed around to fit a missile. The Navy came up with a
monstrous air-to-air missile, the Phoenix, which had a range of about
a jillion miles. Having no plane that could carry the damned thing,
they had the F-14 built for it.


Michael Cash

未読、
2003/10/01 5:56:512003/10/01
To:
On 1 Oct 2003 01:28:15 -0700, Brett Robson <jet...@deja.com> belched

the alphabet and kept on going with:

>On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:03:29 +0900, Ryan Ginstrom ...


>>
>>
>>"Brett Robson" <jet...@deja.com> wrote in message
>>news:bldlj...@drn.newsguy.com...
>>> On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:51:26 +0900, Ryan Ginstrom ...
>>> >
>>> >Oh, it's not so bad once you get used to it. Besides, my windows only
>>rattle
>>> >just a little when an F-15 flies by.
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> F-15s? I don't know much about US forces in Japan, inspite of the fact
>>that I
>>> listen to the US radio thingy in the morning but. Is there airforce down
>>there?
>>> I thought it was just navy.
>>
>>I don't know crap about what planes and stuff they have down here, and don't
>>want to, but the big base near my house is Kadena Air Force Base. Pretty
>>sure I've seen F-15s parked out there.
>>
>
>
>Didn't they give you an orientation when you signed up?
>
>They'll be F-15s then, noisy buggers. F-16 are smaller and you would probably
>not confuse the two.
>
>I was surfing(*) in Queensland once. When I was lying on my board two F-111s
>(like F-14s but bigger) snuck up behind me, travelling at Mach 143 and at 50
>meters above sealevel. Scared the crap out of me. I was already a bit shakey
>after a dolphin leapt out of the water and slapped down on his/her side. Bloody
>dolphins or maybe he was warning me about the planes.

I was riding my motorcycle down a peaceful two-lane highway in West
Tennessee (where God lives) one time when two jets from the Naval Air
Station in Millington snuck up from behind me flying at treetop level
plus about three inches. Scared the living shit out of me. I'm still
amazed I didn't crash.


Ryan Ginstrom

未読、
2003/10/01 9:15:242003/10/01
To:

"Brett Robson" <jet...@deja.com> wrote in message
news:ble36...@drn.newsguy.com...

> On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:03:29 +0900, Ryan Ginstrom ...
> >I don't know crap about what planes and stuff they have down here, and
don't
> >want to, but the big base near my house is Kadena Air Force Base. Pretty
> >sure I've seen F-15s parked out there.
>
> Didn't they give you an orientation when you signed up?

Actually, no.

I know what the things look like, I just can't be bothered to peek over the
fence to see what planes are parked out there.

The approach to one of their main runways goes right over the main road, and
you always see otaku out there with their cameras taking pictures of the
various planes coming in. I bet they could tell you the exact force
strength/mix down here at any given time.

--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom

Brett Robson

未読、
2003/10/01 20:55:492003/10/01
To:
On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 18:54:29 +0900, Michael Cash ...

>
>I remember when the F-4s and the A-7s were retired. I thought the A-7s
>were cool as hell. Slower than molasses, but damned cool looking. I
>remember standing on the signal bridge one fine day when an A-7 came
>in from the starboard beam, turned up on one wing (so he could fit)
>and flew *between* our forward and after stacks. Right over the signal
>bridge. It felt like I could almost reach my hand up and touch his
>wingtip. Crazy bastard. (Him, not me).

Pilots are intend complete idiots, naval pilots especially. How stupid do you
have to be to pilot an aircraft laden with bombs and fuel and get launched of an
aircraft carrier?

>The F-14 was unique in that, as far as I know, it was the only plane
>ever designed around to fit a missile. The Navy came up with a
>monstrous air-to-air missile, the Phoenix, which had a range of about
>a jillion miles. Having no plane that could carry the damned thing,
>they had the F-14 built for it.
>


I hadn't thought of that. I don't think Hornets can carry the Phoenix, I'll have
to google to see if the Super Hornet can. The Phoenix might be going the way of
the doodoo.

Michael Cash

未読、
2003/10/02 9:03:402003/10/02
To:
On 1 Oct 2003 17:55:49 -0700, Brett Robson <jet...@deja.com> belched

the alphabet and kept on going with:

>On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 18:54:29 +0900, Michael Cash ...

I did a little googling around and found some interesting quotes on
Tomcat vs. Super Hornet:

Navy statement (as of March 2001): "F/A-18E/F Super Hornet ....
Leading Naval Aviation into the 21st Century. The F/A-18E/F Super
Hornet is a winner... it's affordable... and it's flying today,
exceeding every operational goal. F/A-18E/F will outperform any
top-line fighter aircraft of today and tomorrow."

Navy test pilot comments* (as of January 2002):
ー "The (F/A-18E/F) aircraft is slower than most fighters fielded since
the early 1960s."
ー A Hornet pilot who flew numerous side-by-side comparison flights
with F/A-18E/F SuperHornets said: "We outran them, we out-flew them
and we ran them out of gas. I was embarrassed for them"

Navy F-14 pilots speak vividly about the SuperHornet (in an Associated
Press article in late 2001):
"Its the same old Hornet shit, repackaged, which was designed to keep
the politicians happy." He said that "it can never match the Tomcat's
long range, (Mach) 2.4 speed and predator mystique. (...) The
capability the Tomcat has for speed is amazing, there is not another
plane in the Navy's inventory that can come anywhere close to it. You
look at the plane on the ground and it looks intimidating, it looks
like something that is made for war. I hope the liberal fudge packing,
(...) who thought the Hornet could replace this aviation masterpiece
rot in hell."


Brett Robson

未読、
2003/10/02 22:43:122003/10/02
To:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 22:03:40 +0900, Michael Cash ...

>
>On 1 Oct 2003 17:55:49 -0700, Brett Robson <jet...@deja.com> belched
>the alphabet and kept on going with:
>
>>On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 18:54:29 +0900, Michael Cash ...
>>>
>>>I remember when the F-4s and the A-7s were retired. I thought the A-7s
>>>were cool as hell. Slower than molasses, but damned cool looking. I
>>>remember standing on the signal bridge one fine day when an A-7 came
>>>in from the starboard beam, turned up on one wing (so he could fit)
>>>and flew *between* our forward and after stacks. Right over the signal
>>>bridge. It felt like I could almost reach my hand up and touch his
>>>wingtip. Crazy bastard. (Him, not me).
>>
>>Pilots are intend complete idiots, naval pilots especially. How stupid do you
>>have to be to pilot an aircraft laden with bombs and fuel and get launched of an
>>aircraft carrier?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>The F-14 was unique in that, as far as I know, it was the only plane
>>>ever designed around to fit a missile. The Navy came up with a
>>>monstrous air-to-air missile, the Phoenix, which had a range of about
>>>a jillion miles. Having no plane that could carry the damned thing,
>>>they had the F-14 built for it.
>>>
>>
>>
>>I hadn't thought of that. I don't think Hornets can carry the Phoenix, I'll have
>>to google to see if the Super Hornet can. The Phoenix might be going the way of
>>the doodoo.
>
>I did a little googling around and found some interesting quotes on
>Tomcat vs. Super Hornet:

Thanks, I haven't had time.


>
>Navy statement (as of March 2001): "F/A-18E/F Super Hornet ....
>Leading Naval Aviation into the 21st Century. The F/A-18E/F Super
>Hornet is a winner... it's affordable... and it's flying today,
>exceeding every operational goal. F/A-18E/F will outperform any
>top-line fighter aircraft of today and tomorrow."


That's the sort of stuff I've read. In my former career I had access to all the
military magazines and reference books, since then I've lost track of what's
going on.


>
>Navy test pilot comments* (as of January 2002):

>・踉&#65533;(B "The (F/A-18E/F) aircraft is slower than most fighters


>fielded since
>the early 1960s."


FA-18C (?) that Australia bought to replace the very old French Dassault Mirage
is slower Mach 1.4 to 1.6 vs Mach 2.2+ which is serious issue in the interceptor
role. But I saw a demonstration of both aircraf turning. It was obvious to
anyone the vast superiority of the Hornet including the ability to fly
vertically.


>・踉&#65533;(B A Hornet pilot who flew numerous side-by-side comparison


>flights
>with F/A-18E/F SuperHornets said: "We outran them, we out-flew them
>and we ran them out of gas. I was embarrassed for them"
>
>Navy F-14 pilots speak vividly about the SuperHornet (in an Associated
>Press article in late 2001):
>"Its the same old Hornet shit, repackaged, which was designed to keep
>the politicians happy."

First time I have heard the Hornet referred to as shit, I wonder if that is
really true. I'm sure he has valid concerns but you have to take comments like
that with a grain of salt. The relationship between the Hornet and the Tomcat is
the same as the Falcon (F16) and Eagle (F15). Any Eagle pilot would be seriously
pissed off having to fly Falcons. If the Tomcats can't be kept operational then
they are useless but it seems that the USN is losing an important capability and
would have operational implications. Although a sense of reality is needed, who
exactly is going to make a conventaional challenge on US carrier.

>He said that "it can never match the Tomcat's
>long range, (Mach) 2.4 speed and predator mystique. (...) The
>capability the Tomcat has for speed is amazing, there is not another
>plane in the Navy's inventory that can come anywhere close to it. You
>look at the plane on the ground and it looks intimidating, it looks
>like something that is made for war. I hope the liberal fudge packing,
>(...) who thought the Hornet could replace this aviation masterpiece
>rot in hell."
>

Got to be careful about terms like "predator mystique" and "looks intimidating",
sounds he is talking from the heart a bit too much. "liberal fudge packing",
does he mean that the decision was made by commie leftist Democrats?

Australia has the same problem. The now ancient F-111s are very difficult to
keep operational but there is no possible replacement. The obession with
everything having to be super high tech means we are unable to replace these.
Something like a MIG 23 would be perfect. The idea of the RAAF fyling migs is
hilarious, especially ones called "Flogger".


The new light armour buss thingy the US army is starting to introduce got IS
total shit. The "armour" could be penetrated by a 50 cal or 12.7mm, a 7.62 mm MG
would probably cause it at least come grief and RPG would turn it into a
fireball. It is armed with a robot 7.62mm gun. Being robotic it probably has
good range, but it's not exactly scary. It has wheels so it has a massive
turning circle. All so it can be lifted by a C-130.

Brett Robson

未読、
2003/10/02 22:43:552003/10/02
To:
On 2 Oct 2003 19:43:12 -0700, Brett Robson ...

>
>Australia has the same problem. The now ancient F-111s are very difficult to
>keep operational but there is no possible replacement. The obession with
>everything having to be super high tech means we are unable to replace these.
>Something like a MIG 23 would be perfect. The idea of the RAAF fyling migs is
>hilarious, especially ones called "Flogger".
>


http://www.combataircraft.com/aircraft/fmig23.asp

Declan Murphy

未読、
2003/10/03 0:33:372003/10/03
To:
Brett Robson wrote:
> The new light armour buss thingy the US army is starting to introduce got IS
> total shit. The "armour" could be penetrated by a 50 cal or 12.7mm, a 7.62 mm MG
> would probably cause it at least come grief and RPG would turn it into a
> fireball. It is armed with a robot 7.62mm gun. Being robotic it probably has
> good range, but it's not exactly scary. It has wheels so it has a massive
> turning circle. All so it can be lifted by a C-130.

Yes - but somewhere along the line a choice is required. It isn't an
APC, and won't be used as such, but is just a vehicle that will perform
a similar utility role to that of a Humvee or other GP light skinned
vehicle. If the choice (and the cash) is available, what country would
prefer their troops to be sitting in a Humvee when taking small arms
fire instead of a light armour buss thingy?

Brett Robson

未読、
2003/10/03 2:06:222003/10/03
To:
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 13:33:37 +0900, Declan Murphy ...

>
>Brett Robson wrote:
>> The new light armour buss thingy the US army is starting to introduce got IS
>>total shit. The "armour" could be penetrated by a 50 cal or 12.7mm, a 7.62 mm MG
>> would probably cause it at least come grief and RPG would turn it into a
>> fireball. It is armed with a robot 7.62mm gun. Being robotic it probably has
>> good range, but it's not exactly scary. It has wheels so it has a massive
>> turning circle. All so it can be lifted by a C-130.
>
>Yes - but somewhere along the line a choice is required. It isn't an
>APC, and won't be used as such, but is just a vehicle that will perform
>a similar utility role to that of a Humvee or other GP light skinned
>vehicle.

No, it is an APC, an armoured personnel carrier. They are calling it an IAV
(interim armoured vehicle) and I am referring to the ICV (infantry carrier
vehicle) version. It's mission is the same as the Bradley IFV but for the light
forces that Rhumsveldt imagines.

"The LAV’s armor protection will stop 50-caliber bullets and protect
against 152 mm airburst shells. "
It's failed those tests.


> If the choice (and the cash) is available, what country would
>prefer their troops to be sitting in a Humvee when taking small arms
>fire instead of a light armour buss thingy?
>

That isn't the choice, it allows commanders to put soldiers into more remote and
dangerous missions.

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