Is Rei attracted to Gendo?
Psaiyan Prince Vegeta
but do any of you think that Rei has *some* degree of physical
attraction/romantic interest towards Gendo at the start of the series?
She seems to like being around Gendo - only smiling and looking happy
when talking to him. They spend a lot of time together.
She is very defensive of Gendo, slapping Shinji for badmouthing him
(remember, she was completely unconcerned by Shinji inviting himself
into her apartment, groping her or seeing her naked).
She keeps Gendo's glasses as a memento and carries them around with
her everywhere (again, she gets annoyed when Shinji is messing with
them) - keeping a piece of him close to her heart?
It seems to me that Rei does have a crush on Commander Ikari (well he
*was* petty much the only man in her life at that point), though she
probably doesn't fully understand the true nature of such feelings and
would never act on them unless Gendo was to make the first move.
There may also be a small degree of vestigial genetic memory from Yui.
Perhaps it's just a subtle feeling; a tiny impulse at the back of her
mind, a faint shadow of the wife and lover she was, compelling Rei to
become close to Gendo once more...
I'm not going to go into Gendo's thoughts on Rei here but needless to
say, I'm sure the thought of getting intimate with her crossed his
mind at least once when he saw his wife's enhanced clone growing up
into a beautiful young woman.
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Scott 'Gord' Ryan
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> Now, I'm not suggesting that she is necessarily having sex with him,
> but do any of you think that Rei has *some* degree of physical
> attraction/romantic interest towards Gendo at the start of the series?
>
> She seems to like being around Gendo - only smiling and looking happy
> when talking to him. They spend a lot of time together.
>
> She is very defensive of Gendo, slapping Shinji for badmouthing him
> (remember, she was completely unconcerned by Shinji inviting himself
> into her apartment, groping her or seeing her naked).
>
> She keeps Gendo's glasses as a memento and carries them around with
> her everywhere (again, she gets annoyed when Shinji is messing with
> them) - keeping a piece of him close to her heart?
>
> It seems to me that Rei does have a crush on Commander Ikari (well he
> *was* petty much the only man in her life at that point), though she
> probably doesn't fully understand the true nature of such feelings and
> would never act on them unless Gendo was to make the first move.
>
> There may also be a small degree of vestigial genetic memory from Yui.
> Perhaps it's just a subtle feeling; a tiny impulse at the back of her
> mind, a faint shadow of the wife and lover she was, compelling Rei to
> become close to Gendo once more...
>
> I'm not going to go into Gendo's thoughts on Rei here but needless to
> say, I'm sure the thought of getting intimate with her crossed his
> mind at least once when he saw his wife's enhanced clone growing up
> into a beautiful young woman.
Personally I think it's more of a Father/Daughter relationship. Up until
that point Gendo is really the only person to care and/or show an
interest in her well being.
There might be some form of attraction or crush but as Ayanami doesn't
really understand her emotions well I don't think she would know exactly
what it was.
Amani
news:n780kv8vdnn5d8ems...@4ax.com...
> Now, I'm not suggesting that she is necessarily having sex with him,
> but do any of you think that Rei has *some* degree of physical
> attraction/romantic interest towards Gendo at the start of the series?
Gendou is like the God of Rei's universe. I would say there is a bit of
worship-like crushing involved. She is totally incapable of moving against
him until EoE, even when she just wants to die. And then Gendou shows her
kindness and affection. Kindness and affection from God? Definitely a good
thing.
--Taryn
THM
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> Gendou is like the God of Rei's universe. I would say there is a bit
> of worship-like crushing involved. She is totally incapable of moving
> against him until EoE, even when she just wants to die. And then
> Gendou shows her kindness and affection. Kindness and affection from
> God? Definitely a good thing.
> --Taryn
It would seem that way. She certainly puts Gendou in the centre of
her world; granted, it's not a very LARGE world, but he's still very much
at the centre. The pity of it is, she's just a tool (not a new revelation I
know, but you do have to keep that in consideration). Really, Gendou's just
doing what he has to, to keep his tool in the game.
<sigh> Poor girl...
- THM
Psaiyan Prince Vegeta
It's a crying shame - Rei would be able to fill the Yui-sized hole in
his life in a way that no-one else ever could.
If Gendo were to just give her the nod, Rei would happily be all over
him. He could have a gorgeous young lover who utterly adored him and
was prepared to give him as much attention as he needed...
Amani
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:37:37 -0400, "Amani" <am...@charter.net> wrote:
>
> >"Psaiyan Prince Vegeta" <ppve...@hotmail.communism> wrote in message
> >news:n780kv8vdnn5d8ems...@4ax.com...
> >> Now, I'm not suggesting that she is necessarily having sex with him,
> >> but do any of you think that Rei has *some* degree of physical
> >> attraction/romantic interest towards Gendo at the start of the series?
> >
> >Gendou is like the God of Rei's universe. I would say there is a bit of
> >worship-like crushing involved. She is totally incapable of moving
against
> >him until EoE, even when she just wants to die. And then Gendou shows her
> >kindness and affection. Kindness and affection from God? Definitely a
good
> >thing.
>
> It's a crying shame - Rei would be able to fill the Yui-sized hole in
> his life in a way that no-one else ever could.
>
> If Gendo were to just give her the nod, Rei would happily be all over
> him. He could have a gorgeous young lover who utterly adored him and
> was prepared to give him as much attention as he needed...
Disregarding your unhealthy obsession with Rei, I think Gendou's gone past
the point of ANYONE being able to fill the hole that Yui left behind. He's
lost to his own obsession, untouchable. It's not that he doesn't have women
in his life that would give everything to able to fill that hole and get
through his shell. It's just impossible for anyone to get through anymore.
Besides the rather gross matter of a 14-year-old girl and a 40-something
man.
--Taryn
goat
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> Disregarding your unhealthy obsession with Rei, I think Gendou's gone past
> the point of ANYONE being able to fill the hole that Yui left behind. He's
> lost to his own obsession, untouchable. It's not that he doesn't have
women
> in his life that would give everything to able to fill that hole and get
> through his shell. It's just impossible for anyone to get through anymore.
I bet Rei could get through his shell and into his pants if she got Gendo
drunk first then then dyed her hair brown and dressed in Yui's old clothes.
>
> Besides the rather gross matter of a 14-year-old girl and a 40-something
> man.
Why's it gross? Evangelion is set in Japan where the age of consent is 13
(they have much more sensible laws than us). Rei is LEGAL. There is nothing
wrong with an older guy screwing a younger WOMAN as long as she wants it.
Amani
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> "Amani" <am...@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:vk8hutl...@corp.supernews.com...
> > Disregarding your unhealthy obsession with Rei, I think Gendou's gone
past
> > the point of ANYONE being able to fill the hole that Yui left behind.
He's
> > lost to his own obsession, untouchable. It's not that he doesn't have
> women
> > in his life that would give everything to able to fill that hole and get
> > through his shell. It's just impossible for anyone to get through
anymore.
>
> I bet Rei could get through his shell and into his pants if she got Gendo
> drunk first then then dyed her hair brown and dressed in Yui's old
clothes.
That's called getting him into his pants with some deception, not getting
through his shell.
> >
> > Besides the rather gross matter of a 14-year-old girl and a 40-something
> > man.
>
> Why's it gross? Evangelion is set in Japan where the age of consent is 13
> (they have much more sensible laws than us). Rei is LEGAL. There is
nothing
> wrong with an older guy screwing a younger WOMAN as long as she wants it.
Just become something is legal doesn't make it any more appealing. And no, a
14-year-old is NOT a woman. She is a girl. It would be Gendou taking
advantage of her, especially in his God-like position over her.
But I don't even know why I'm arguing with someone so sickly obsessed with
Rei.
--Taryn
goat
> That's called getting him into his pants with some deception, not getting
> through his shell.
It would be a start though. If she were to give him a slurpy blowjob every
day whilst looking up at him with them big red eyes, Gendo wouldn't be able
to resist her. What man could?
> Just become something is legal doesn't make it any more appealing. And no,
a
> 14-year-old is NOT a woman. She is a girl. It would be Gendou taking
> advantage of her, especially in his God-like position over her.
More than likely it'd be Rei that was macking on Gendo. Out of all the eva
females, Rei strikes me as the most slutty and sex-obsessed, she's just
quiet about it. She'd be a demon in bed once she got going - I bet she likes
fucking and sucking just because it feels good.
She's just waiting for Gendo to ask her before jumping on his wang.
> But I don't even know why I'm arguing with someone so sickly obsessed with
> Rei.
You just don't understand how special Rei is.
Richard Qunt
> Just become something is legal doesn't make it any more appealing.
There's nothing wrong with a man taking advantage of one of the laws that
make Japanese men among the luckiest in the world.
> And no, a
> 14-year-old is NOT a woman. She is a girl. It would be Gendou taking
> advantage of her, especially in his God-like position over her.
Rei is not 14. She's a clone of Yui, so she's really has the body of a woman
in her mid-20's. This also explains why Rei is so much more mature and
inteligent than Asuka is.
Amani
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> "Amani" <am...@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:vk9klgc...@corp.supernews.com...
>
> > Just become something is legal doesn't make it any more appealing.
>
> There's nothing wrong with a man taking advantage of one of the laws that
> make Japanese men among the luckiest in the world.
If you want to take advantage of young teenage girls who are so lost in the
world they don't know any better, go ahead. That's on your morals.
> > And no, a
> > 14-year-old is NOT a woman. She is a girl. It would be Gendou taking
> > advantage of her, especially in his God-like position over her.
>
> Rei is not 14. She's a clone of Yui, so she's really has the body of a
woman
> in her mid-20's. This also explains why Rei is so much more mature and
> inteligent than Asuka is.
One, she is not a direct clone of Yui. She has a mixture of Yui's DNA and
Angel DNA. Two, having a clone of something else does not mean they are the
same age. It means they have the same DNA. But Rei IS 14, because she has
been alive for 14 years. Are you going to say in Fuyuutsuki's flashback
episode, that Rei wasn't REALLY under ten, because she's a clone of Yui?
Where are the examples of Rei's maturity? If anything, she knows nothing
about emotions. I'm not saying she's an immature ditz, I'm saying that her
quiet nature can't be taken as proof of her maturity. She's very confused
and, in a way, naive.
Asuka has major emotional problems, herself. But most of the characters in
NGE are pretty immature.
And then PLEASE give me an example of Rei's superior intelligence. We HAVE
proof of Asuka's: she's 14 and she's already been through college. That's
pretty damn good. Am I saying Rei's stupid? No. I'm saying we don't really
have proof of what level of intelligence she has. Just because the
Rei-obsessees take every opportunity to bash Asuka and take a billion
meanings from Rei's silences that mostly involve her being the most mature,
intelligent, sex-obsessed character ever, doesn't mean it has even the
slightest shred of evidence in the series.
Rei is a lost, emotionally confused, naive, broken down girl who wants to
die but the God of her universe won't let her. She's an excellent character
worthy of compassion and sympathy, but don't give her amazing traits that
there's no proof of.
--Taryn
Richard Qunt
> If you want to take advantage of young teenage girls who are so lost in
the
> world they don't know any better, go ahead. That's on your morals.
Maybe the Japanese like to credit young women with much more inteligence
than you do?
> One, she is not a direct clone of Yui. She has a mixture of Yui's DNA and
> Angel DNA.
No, she is has Yui's DNA and the SOUL of an Angel. Physically she is totally
human.
> Two, having a clone of something else does not mean they are the
> same age. It means they have the same DNA. But Rei IS 14, because she has
> been alive for 14 years. Are you going to say in Fuyuutsuki's flashback
> episode, that Rei wasn't REALLY under ten, because she's a clone of Yui?
Rei had to have been created after Yui's death in 2004. There is no proof
that she was around prior to this. If the first Rei had not been killed in
2010, she would be a maximum of 11 years old in human years at the time of
the series. The Rei we see in the series is 5 years old (though she could
also be 11 if the 'ReiQuarium' was created along with Rei I in 2004). Rei II
clearly has the body of a fully-grown woman (NOT an 11 or 14 year old girl),
meaning that Gendo has the ability to create clones of whatever physical age
he wishes. The age given to her is just a cover story.
> Where are the examples of Rei's maturity? If anything, she knows nothing
> about emotions. I'm not saying she's an immature ditz, I'm saying that her
> quiet nature can't be taken as proof of her maturity. She's very confused
> and, in a way, naive.
She is smart enough to see through Asuka's bitching and blustering and
mature enough not to rise to it. She is perceptive enough to know the best
way to deal with the annoying, whiny redhead - ripping her apart often
without uttering more than a word.
> Asuka has major emotional problems, herself. But most of the characters in
> NGE are pretty immature.
>
> And then PLEASE give me an example of Rei's superior intelligence. We HAVE
> proof of Asuka's: she's 14 and she's already been through college. That's
> pretty damn good.
Her graduating college is proof that she can remember and regurgitate the
limited range of learned facts nescessary to pass the final exams, not of
true intelligence.
> Am I saying Rei's stupid? No. I'm saying we don't really
> have proof of what level of intelligence she has. Just because the
> Rei-obsessees take every opportunity to bash Asuka and take a billion
> meanings from Rei's silences that mostly involve her being the most
mature,
> intelligent, sex-obsessed character ever, doesn't mean it has even the
> slightest shred of evidence in the series.
Listen to the few comments that Rei makes about the nature of her own life,
humanity and existence. She is very, very perceptive - she sits, she thinks,
she notices things. Perhaps she doesn't understand how it applies to
herself, but she has a very good knowledge of what makes the people around
her tick, how their emotions interact and the problems that this causes. She
is above the childish bickering that Shinji and Asuka get involved in and
has a true sense of duty and responsibility.
If Rei were to write a book, I would read it.
As for sex, I can't see Rei being at all inhibited. Her reaction to Shinji's
accidental groping shows us that she does not find her own body dirty or
shameful. She's not sex crazed and isn't the sort of girl to jump on
anything with a penis, but I doubt she'd have any hang-ups about it at all,
if she met the right person.
> Rei is a lost, emotionally confused, naive, broken down girl who wants to
> die but the God of her universe won't let her. She's an excellent
character
> worthy of compassion and sympathy, but don't give her amazing traits that
> there's no proof of.
She doesn't have the life experience, but she has the smarts to overcome her
own shortcomings - if she were given enough time in the series to do so.
Unfortunately her death and Third Impact got in the way just as she was
beginning to figure herself out.
Can you prove that Asuka is anything other than a whiny, immature little
bitch who enjoys hurting and using other people to boost her own ego? The
girl is an attention-seeking leech. If anything, I'd say that Rei was the
emotionally stable one...
Amani
> "Amani" <am...@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:vkctn1p...@corp.supernews.com...
> > If you want to take advantage of young teenage girls who are so lost in
> the
> > world they don't know any better, go ahead. That's on your morals.
>
> Maybe the Japanese like to credit young women with much more inteligence
> than you do?
Wow, you don't know teenage girls. Intelligence has nothing to do with
emotional stability. There are tons of extremely intelligent teenage
females. But the fact of the matter is it is the most insecure, unstable
period of a female's life. Teenage females are in a constant search for
self-esteem because they are constantly being shot down by other females,
the unnatural societal demands of the perfect female body, and other
aspects. You will be EXTREMELY hard pressed not to find one who isn't. It's
an extremely unstable point in a girl's life.
The reason the Japanese age of consent is at a lower age than America is a
culture aspect, I would imagine. The societal structure is still very much
male-dominated. They didn't get the huge uprising of feminism the Western
world did.
> > One, she is not a direct clone of Yui. She has a mixture of Yui's DNA
and
> > Angel DNA.
>
> No, she is has Yui's DNA and the SOUL of an Angel. Physically she is
totally
> human.
No, actually, besides having Lilith's soul, she also has a mixture of her
DNA. If she was a precise clone with Yui's exact DNA, she would look exactly
like her. While she looks like Yui VERY much, that's not the case.
> > Two, having a clone of something else does not mean they are the
> > same age. It means they have the same DNA. But Rei IS 14, because she
has
> > been alive for 14 years. Are you going to say in Fuyuutsuki's flashback
> > episode, that Rei wasn't REALLY under ten, because she's a clone of Yui?
>
> Rei had to have been created after Yui's death in 2004. There is no proof
> that she was around prior to this. If the first Rei had not been killed in
> 2010, she would be a maximum of 11 years old in human years at the time of
> the series. The Rei we see in the series is 5 years old (though she could
> also be 11 if the 'ReiQuarium' was created along with Rei I in 2004). Rei
II
> clearly has the body of a fully-grown woman (NOT an 11 or 14 year old
girl),
> meaning that Gendo has the ability to create clones of whatever physical
age
> he wishes. The age given to her is just a cover story.
Alright, I concede the points about the number of years she could be alive.
But I won't concede that she necessarily has the body of a full-grown woman
just because certain aspects have developed, which can be entirely normal at
14. But no, look at her face: she's still definitely young.
> > Where are the examples of Rei's maturity? If anything, she knows nothing
> > about emotions. I'm not saying she's an immature ditz, I'm saying that
her
> > quiet nature can't be taken as proof of her maturity. She's very
confused
> > and, in a way, naive.
>
> She is smart enough to see through Asuka's bitching and blustering and
> mature enough not to rise to it. She is perceptive enough to know the best
> way to deal with the annoying, whiny redhead - ripping her apart often
> without uttering more than a word.
>
> > Asuka has major emotional problems, herself. But most of the characters
in
> > NGE are pretty immature.
> >
> > And then PLEASE give me an example of Rei's superior intelligence. We
HAVE
> > proof of Asuka's: she's 14 and she's already been through college.
That's
> > pretty damn good.
>
> Her graduating college is proof that she can remember and regurgitate the
> limited range of learned facts nescessary to pass the final exams, not of
> true intelligence.
Sorry, I take graduating college at 14 as a sign of a high level of
intelligence.
Thank God you're a sane Rei fan. I think Rei's great and everything, please
don't take my arguments to mean the contrary, but I get REALLY annoyed at
two certain Rei-fan posters here who insist that Rei is a sex fiend. Ugh.
I really doubt she has any real concept about sex, actually. Not that she's
uninhibited, but that she hasn't been taught the concept. Like Adam and Eve
not knowing they were naked, in a way. I mean, who would've sat down and
gave her "the talk"? Gendou? Somehow I doubt it. ^_^;;
> > Rei is a lost, emotionally confused, naive, broken down girl who wants
to
> > die but the God of her universe won't let her. She's an excellent
> character
> > worthy of compassion and sympathy, but don't give her amazing traits
that
> > there's no proof of.
>
> She doesn't have the life experience, but she has the smarts to overcome
her
> own shortcomings - if she were given enough time in the series to do so.
> Unfortunately her death and Third Impact got in the way just as she was
> beginning to figure herself out.
>
> Can you prove that Asuka is anything other than a whiny, immature little
> bitch who enjoys hurting and using other people to boost her own ego? The
> girl is an attention-seeking leech. If anything, I'd say that Rei was the
> emotionally stable one...
I wasn't trying to. I have yet to say Asuka is a superior person. No, she's
an extremely hurt girl who has had tramautic childhood experiences and
craves acceptance and praise. I sympathize with her a great deal, as I do
with Rei, trapped in an unhappy existence with emotions she doesn't
understand.
Lord Merc
Auska is an emotionlly frail little girl, oh and she is also a filthy
skank!!
Nyah
Go Rei!!
Lord Merc
Come marry me Rei
Psaiyan Prince Vegeta
>Wow, you don't know teenage girls. Intelligence has nothing to do with
>emotional stability. There are tons of extremely intelligent teenage
>females. But the fact of the matter is it is the most insecure, unstable
>period of a female's life. Teenage females are in a constant search for
>self-esteem because they are constantly being shot down by other females,
>the unnatural societal demands of the perfect female body, and other
>aspects. You will be EXTREMELY hard pressed not to find one who isn't. It's
>an extremely unstable point in a girl's life.
>
>The reason the Japanese age of consent is at a lower age than America is a
>culture aspect, I would imagine. The societal structure is still very much
>male-dominated. They didn't get the huge uprising of feminism the Western
>world did.
The age of consent of 13 years also applies to guys too, or had you
forgotten? If she wished, a 40-year-old woman could legally sleep with
a 13 year-old boy (though I doubt most people would see that as him
being taken advantage of in any way). No one sex is being dominated
here.
>No, actually, besides having Lilith's soul, she also has a mixture of her
>DNA. If she was a precise clone with Yui's exact DNA, she would look exactly
>like her. While she looks like Yui VERY much, that's not the case.
I'm pretty certain it was officially stated that Rei is 100% human
(though exactly where I read it escapes me at present - maybe the
RCB). If you can find something that states otherwise then I'll be
happy to concede this point to you.
I'd say that Rei probably looks exactly like Yui did when she was a
teenager, except for the differences in hair and eye colour.
>Alright, I concede the points about the number of years she could be alive.
>But I won't concede that she necessarily has the body of a full-grown woman
>just because certain aspects have developed, which can be entirely normal at
>14. But no, look at her face: she's still definitely young.
Agreed. Rei does not have the body of a fully grown woman. Compare her
height to that of Misato and Ritsuko - then notice Yui's height
compared to Fuyutsuki. Rei is just under 5'1" (she's a lot shorter
than most people seem to realise), whilst Yui has to be about 5'6".
She already has nicely-sized breasts and a shapely butt, but I'd think
that Rei would end up with a figure like Misato's (except maybe even
bustier) when fully grown...
>Sorry, I take graduating college at 14 as a sign of a high level of
>intelligence.
Particularly in the science-based subjects (which Asuka seems to have
taken at college), passing examinations is dependent on being able to
regurgitate a small number of fixed word-for-word definitions and
memorising lists of formulae. If you know how to rearrange them and
plug the numbers into the right places, then there is absolutely no
need to understand what they actually represent or how they are
relevant to the real world. Ask these kids to actually apply their
knowledge in an independent experimental situation and most of them
will hit a brick wall.
>Thank God you're a sane Rei fan. I think Rei's great and everything, please
>don't take my arguments to mean the contrary, but I get REALLY annoyed at
>two certain Rei-fan posters here who insist that Rei is a sex fiend. Ugh.
Rei obviously feels no shame about her own body, meaning that she will
more than likely be completely unrestrained in her sexuality, never
holding back from what her hormones tell her to do. Rei would be the
sort of girl to ask plainly and straight-out for sex whenever her body
demanded something hot and thick inside and to perform oral sex on her
lover wherever and whenever she felt the urge to swallow cum...
>I really doubt she has any real concept about sex, actually. Not that she's
>uninhibited, but that she hasn't been taught the concept. Like Adam and Eve
>not knowing they were naked, in a way. I mean, who would've sat down and
>gave her "the talk"? Gendou? Somehow I doubt it. ^_^;;
Rei reads. When she started having strange feelings between her legs
whenever she was close to Gendo, or had the desire to rub her crotch
against things, touch herself and slide objects inside her warm,
velvety womanhood because it felt good, she probably went to the
library and read a biology/medical book...
Anyway, Ritsuko was probably the one to give her 'the talk', or at
least explained to her about how she had to be careful around men
looking the way that she does...
Drinian
Vegeta...
Psaiyan Prince Vegeta <ppve...@hotmail.communism> wrote in message news:<bvafkvktpqcvc0ufs...@4ax.com>...
> The age of consent of 13 years also applies to guys too, or had you
> forgotten? If she wished, a 40-year-old woman could legally sleep with
> a 13 year-old boy (though I doubt most people would see that as him
> being taken advantage of in any way). No one sex is being dominated
> here.
As a man, or something approaching one, and as a Christian, and as a
*human being*, I would take serious offense at that. Do you seriously
think that there is nothing wrong with a 13-year old _boy_ entering
into a "mature" relationship with a _woman_? You're the one who used
the word boy, not man. What exactly does legality have to do with it?
Do you think it is right for there to be such relationships?
> She already has nicely-sized breasts and a shapely butt, but I'd think
> that Rei would end up with a figure like Misato's (except maybe even
> bustier) when fully grown...
That's because she's an ANIME CHARACTER. Why should art be ugly? Get
over it -- she's a representation of beauty, not a human being.
> Particularly in the science-based subjects (which Asuka seems to have
> taken at college), passing examinations is dependent on being able to
> regurgitate a small number of fixed word-for-word definitions and
> memorising lists of formulae. If you know how to rearrange them and
> plug the numbers into the right places, then there is absolutely no
> need to understand what they actually represent or how they are
> relevant to the real world. Ask these kids to actually apply their
> knowledge in an independent experimental situation and most of them
> will hit a brick wall.
So where did YOU go to college? As a "science-based" major at one of
the top 5 universities in the United States by the US News rankings,
who happens to be double majoring in the liberal arts, I would say
that is not the case. Otherwise I would have done better in intro
Biology. I have huge amounts of trouble memorizing large volumes of
scientific information. What more can I say?
> >Thank God you're a sane Rei fan. I think Rei's great and everything, please
> >don't take my arguments to mean the contrary, but I get REALLY annoyed at
> >two certain Rei-fan posters here who insist that Rei is a sex fiend. Ugh.
I'm not even going to post the rest of the message, it disgusts me so
much. Learn to control your id, or your hormones, or whatever you want
to call the base urges ruling your life. At the same time you talk
about domination in relationships, or exploitiation, you fail to see
that you are nothing but a urine, dung, and baby factory, dominated by
your hormones, who happens to speak English. Figure out something
worthwhile to do with the other 23 hours and 45 minutes of your day
rather than think about sex.
Rei is hot. So is Asuka. So are a lot of other girls, whether real or
artistic idealizations. Do you think I didn't feel awful for both of
them when the series was over -- that they were some of the most
frightengly real and moving pieces of fiction or non-fiction that I've
seen? Shoot, I may have fallen in love with the female members of
Evangelion to some degree while I was watching the series: but that
meant that I knew it was wrong to fantasize about them like you do.
I'm pissed off and getting incoherent. Before I say anything else I
might want to take back, I'm going to end this. Leave the newsgroup,
or learn the true meaning of love and attraction. Otherwise I might
give up on Usenet. I don't want to: I like a lot of the people in this
group, and I've only been posting for a few months now.
-- Drinian
Psaiyan Prince Vegeta
>Amani, thanks for starting in on him. I'm about to rip you a new one,
>Vegeta...
>
>Psaiyan Prince Vegeta <ppve...@hotmail.communism> wrote in message news:<bvafkvktpqcvc0ufs...@4ax.com>...
>> The age of consent of 13 years also applies to guys too, or had you
>> forgotten? If she wished, a 40-year-old woman could legally sleep with
>> a 13 year-old boy (though I doubt most people would see that as him
>> being taken advantage of in any way). No one sex is being dominated
>> here.
>
>As a man, or something approaching one, and as a Christian, and as a
>*human being*, I would take serious offense at that. Do you seriously
>think that there is nothing wrong with a 13-year old _boy_ entering
>into a "mature" relationship with a _woman_? You're the one who used
>the word boy, not man.
Congratulations on completely missing my point. Amani commented to
Richard Qunt that an older man having a sexual relationship with a
teenage girl would be taking advantage of her naivety. My reply was
that it was also possible for older women to take advantage of teenage
boys, though somehow this is not seen as serious a matter. I was
highlighting the fact that there is a double standard.
Example:
Male teacher having sex with schoolgirl(s) - People scream
'PERVERT!!!!'. There are calls for his castration and/or lynching. His
windows may be broken and his car set on fire. The girl is sent for
psychiatric counseling.
Female teacher having sex with schoolboy(s) - there are jokes made
about randy MILFs and the boy is praised for his 'pulling power'. His
friends call him a lucky bastard and slap him on the back.
> What exactly does legality have to do with it?
The law dictates the rights and wrongs in society. For example, UK law
states that I, as a male of 28 years - have the right to have
consensual sexual intercourse with a female of 16 years if I choose to
do so. A 28 year old Japanese male similarly has the right in law to
have consensual sexual intercourse with a female of 13 years.
>Do you think it is right for there to be such relationships?
The Japanese government, as an extension of the majority will of the
Japanese people believes that a person of 13 years is mature enough,
both physically and mentally to partake in physical sexual
relationships. Right and wrong don't come into it, nor do your
opinion, my opinion or the opinion of the homeless guy at the bus
station. I am not in the business of criticising other cultures which
happen to differ from my own. I fully respect the law of whichever
country I happen to be in at the time.
>That's because she's an ANIME CHARACTER. Why should art be ugly?
Of course there is ugly art. Of course there are ugly anime
characters. You're not looking hard enough.
> Get
>over it -- she's a representation of beauty, not a human being.
That makes not the slightest difference to the fact that she can be
considered attractive.
>So where did YOU go to college? As a "science-based" major at one of
>the top 5 universities in the United States by the US News rankings,
>who happens to be double majoring in the liberal arts, I would say
>that is not the case. Otherwise I would have done better in intro
>Biology. I have huge amounts of trouble memorizing large volumes of
>scientific information. What more can I say?
University of Durham - the third best university in Britain after
Oxford and Cambridge. I studied Chemistry and I have to admit that I
struggled with the course. Whilst I have a good theoretical knowledge,
I do not have a good memory for large volumes of scientific
information. Those students who could soak up and regurgitate
mathematical data found things to be much easier as a good 80% of the
exam material seemed to be a test of recalling formulae, rather than
one of understanding.
Granted this was nearly 10 years ago now, so things may indeed have
changed in that time...
>I'm not even going to post the rest of the message, it disgusts me so
>much. Learn to control your id, or your hormones, or whatever you want
>to call the base urges ruling your life. At the same time you talk
>about domination in relationships, or exploitiation, you fail to see
>that you are nothing but a urine, dung, and baby factory, dominated by
>your hormones, who happens to speak English. Figure out something
>worthwhile to do with the other 23 hours and 45 minutes of your day
>rather than think about sex.
"Judge not, that ye be not judged." -- Matthew 7:1
Yet another Xian who doesn't seem to be able to read his own Holy
Book. How refreshing.
>Rei is hot. So is Asuka. So are a lot of other girls, whether real or
>artistic idealizations. Do you think I didn't feel awful for both of
>them when the series was over -- that they were some of the most
>frightengly real and moving pieces of fiction or non-fiction that I've
>seen? Shoot, I may have fallen in love with the female members of
>Evangelion to some degree while I was watching the series: but that
>meant that I knew it was wrong to fantasize about them like you do.
Why exactly is it wrong to fantasise about animated characters? Aside
from the fact that you personally dislike the idea and seem to be
intolerant of others' sexuality?
>I'm pissed off and getting incoherent.
Indeed.
>Before I say anything else I
>might want to take back, I'm going to end this. Leave the newsgroup,
>or learn the true meaning of love and attraction. Otherwise I might
>give up on Usenet. I don't want to: I like a lot of the people in this
>group, and I've only been posting for a few months now.
Don't like what I have to say? That's a shame... for you.
Amani
> On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 00:26:02 -0400, "Amani" <am...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>
> >Wow, you don't know teenage girls. Intelligence has nothing to do with
> >emotional stability. There are tons of extremely intelligent teenage
> >females. But the fact of the matter is it is the most insecure, unstable
> >period of a female's life. Teenage females are in a constant search for
> >self-esteem because they are constantly being shot down by other females,
> >the unnatural societal demands of the perfect female body, and other
> >aspects. You will be EXTREMELY hard pressed not to find one who isn't.
It's
> >an extremely unstable point in a girl's life.
> >
> >The reason the Japanese age of consent is at a lower age than America is
a
> >culture aspect, I would imagine. The societal structure is still very
much
> >male-dominated. They didn't get the huge uprising of feminism the Western
> >world did.
>
> The age of consent of 13 years also applies to guys too, or had you
> forgotten? If she wished, a 40-year-old woman could legally sleep with
> a 13 year-old boy (though I doubt most people would see that as him
> being taken advantage of in any way). No one sex is being dominated
> here.
Mostly because I've never seen the age of consent separated into male and
female anywhere. This doesn't change the fact that yes, Japan still is much
more patriarchal structured than your typical Western countries.
I wasn't addressing older woman with younger boys because we had be
discussing a particular relationship, mainly Gendou and Rei. No, I do not
hold a double standard on that, it simply wasn't the topic of conversation.
--Taryn
Lord Merc
"Psaiyan Prince Vegeta" <ppve...@hotmail.communism> wrote in message
I tell you what "reverend" i am a christian, and some of your posts are a
little off-putting, but thats what you expect when you go on an unregulated
newsgroup, because even though some of your posts are a little(well sometime
a lot) lustful, i agree with a lot of points you make.
Keep at it mate!
> "-===============-"
THM
news:Xns93DB9AAB55...@203.220.22.200:
> Personally I think it's more of a Father/Daughter relationship. Up until
> that point Gendo is really the only person to care and/or show an
> interest in her well being.
>
> There might be some form of attraction or crush but as Ayanami doesn't
> really understand her emotions well I don't think she would know exactly
> what it was.
Thank goodness, a sane poster. After reading the other thread (between
Amani, Prince Vegeta, and Drinian), I was afraid that nobody WANTED to look
at this issue in a manner approaching sanity. The idea that it's more of a
Father/Daughter relationship seems to fit. Rei looks up to Gendou, as he is
definitely the only one (until Shinji shows up) that seems to care about
her life at all. Like I said in an earlier addition to this topic, however,
I think seen in the larger context, it's just his way of looking after his
investment - if that's what keeps his little 'Engine of the Apocalypse'
going, then that's what he does. He does the same thing with Ritsuko, only
with her he uses sex.
But to light on something Mr. Vegeta talked about: Rei might very
well be more forthright about such a request - if she a) felt that way
about *anyone*, for which there is no evidence in the series, and b)
managed to understand the nature of what she was feeling. I have a feeling
that she'd have trouble understanding something like that, and considering
the near-reverence with which she holds Gendou, he wouldn't be the person
she'd want to talk to - she might, I say *might*, go to someone like
Shinji; he's about her age, not nearly as likely to deal with it badly as
Asuka would (if she would listen at all), and he would be more
understanding than Genou, whose response might very well be to have her
replaced - can't have his 'doll' felling anything outside of his scenario,
after all.
Anyway; thank you, Mr. Ryan, for such an intelligent addition to this
topic. It was much appreciated.
- THM
Drinian
> The Japanese government, as an extension of the majority will of the
> Japanese people believes that a person of 13 years is mature enough,
> both physically and mentally to partake in physical sexual
> relationships. Right and wrong don't come into it, nor do your
> opinion, my opinion or the opinion of the homeless guy at the bus
> station. I am not in the business of criticising other cultures which
> happen to differ from my own. I fully respect the law of whichever
> country I happen to be in at the time.
I'm sorry, but you've missed my point again. To be perfectly honest,
I'm perfectly fine with the fact that the age of consent in Japan is
13. The US might be better off if that were true here -- or it might
not. No-one really knows when adult free-will begins to set in anyway.
It DOES matter what you think: that's what this whole conversation is
about. So far, as far as I can tell, you are some sort of nihilist.
Please correct me.
> >That's because she's an ANIME CHARACTER. Why should art be ugly?
>
> Of course there is ugly art. Of course there are ugly anime
> characters. You're not looking hard enough.
True. But my point is that, while in real life there are beautiful
people who are ugly on the inside and vice versa, there is no reason
for such to be true in art unless it's a plot point.
> University of Durham - the third best university in Britain after
> Oxford and Cambridge. I studied Chemistry and I have to admit that I
> struggled with the course. Whilst I have a good theoretical knowledge,
> I do not have a good memory for large volumes of scientific
> information. Those students who could soak up and regurgitate
> mathematical data found things to be much easier as a good 80% of the
> exam material seemed to be a test of recalling formulae, rather than
> one of understanding.
Sounds like me. Back to Asuka... I think she is at least not a dummy,
and, besides, is a good person at heart. Grades have little to do with
that.
>
> "Judge not, that ye be not judged." -- Matthew 7:1
>
> Yet another Xian who doesn't seem to be able to read his own Holy
> Book. How refreshing.
I'm going to let this stand, because you are right. However, I add:
"If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him. If
he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times comes back
to you and says, 'I repent,' forgive him." -- Luke 17:3-4
Can't we all be brothers?
Besides, don't you think I judge myself on these same things every
day?
> Why exactly is it wrong to fantasise about animated characters? Aside
> from the fact that you personally dislike the idea and seem to be
> intolerant of others' sexuality?
It's really the end of your message that set me off. As you can see, I
have quite a temper when it comes to writing online ("real life" is
another story). On the other hand, if you were in my physical presence
and started talking like that, I would without a doubt leave the area
or kick you out of my house. What you wrote there belongs in a lemon
fanfic or something, not in a forum that is supposed to be about
_discussing_ Eva. Maybe there should be a
japan.anime.evangelion.rei.fantasize subcategory. I've only been here
too months, and your one-track mind is already getting very, very old.
Of course, fantasizing isn't something I find particularly good
anyway. My brief philosophy on fantasy in general (not sexual, just in
general) is that it's good to imagine the scientifically impossible,
not simply the implausible or the things you are unwilling or scared
to do yourself. That can be dangerous. Kind of like why fantasizing
about killing people isn't a good thing.
Oh, and so you know, ever heard of a fanfic called "Garden of Eva"? If
not, it's available at http://www.animeprime.com. I read that in its
entirety except for the lemon branches. Guess what? I enjoyed it.
And just to be clear: I am one of those old-school
no-sex-before-marriage prudes.
--Drinian
Frank White
>
>"Scott 'Gord' Ryan" <fr...@tsn.cc> wrote in
>news:Xns93DB9AAB55...@203.220.22.200:
>
>> Personally I think it's more of a Father/Daughter relationship. Up until
>> that point Gendo is really the only person to care and/or show an
>> interest in her well being.
>>
>> There might be some form of attraction or crush but as Ayanami doesn't
>> really understand her emotions well I don't think she would know exactly
>> what it was.
>
> Thank goodness, a sane poster. After reading the other thread (between
>Amani, Prince Vegeta, and Drinian), I was afraid that nobody WANTED to look
>at this issue in a manner approaching sanity. The idea that it's more of a
>Father/Daughter relationship seems to fit. Rei looks up to Gendou, as he is
>definitely the only one (until Shinji shows up) that seems to care about
>her life at all. Like I said in an earlier addition to this topic, however,
>I think seen in the larger context, it's just his way of looking after his
>investment - if that's what keeps his little 'Engine of the Apocalypse'
>going, then that's what he does. He does the same thing with Ritsuko, only
>with her he uses sex.
Hear, hear!
It is obvious if you REALLY look at the Rei/Gendo relationship
that she's just a tool to him. A man might take pains to
keep a favorite tool functional, even burn himself to retrieve
it if he still had a use for it; but in the end it's JUST a tool
and if he has to, he'll destroy it to accomplish an end. Gendo
is ready to send a severely injured Rei II out to fight an Angel
in the first episode, and eventually DOES sacrifice her without
qualm. He feels nothing for her.
He gets what he deserves.
FW
Psaiyan Prince Vegeta
>I'm sorry, but you've missed my point again. To be perfectly honest,
>I'm perfectly fine with the fact that the age of consent in Japan is
>13. The US might be better off if that were true here -- or it might
>not. No-one really knows when adult free-will begins to set in anyway.
>It DOES matter what you think: that's what this whole conversation is
>about.
What 'conversation'? You simply misunderstood something I posted. You
brought up the issue of my morals when this was never the topic of
discussion.
>So far, as far as I can tell, you are some sort of nihilist.
>Please correct me.
I have been called a lot of things.
>True. But my point is that, while in real life there are beautiful
>people who are ugly on the inside and vice versa, there is no reason
>for such to be true in art unless it's a plot point.
And this makes a difference how, exactly?
>Sounds like me. Back to Asuka... I think she is at least not a dummy,
>and, besides, is a good person at heart. Grades have little to do with
>that.
Actually, I cannot think of a single occurrence in which Asuka is
demonstrated to be anything other than cruel, vindictive and immature.
I appreciate that her childhood was traumatic, and that this may
explain her behavior to an extent, but it in no way excuses it.
There comes a point at which a person must cease blaming others for
their poor lot in life, stand on their own two feet and take
responsibility for their own actions and the choices that they,
themselves have made.
>It's really the end of your message that set me off. As you can see, I
>have quite a temper when it comes to writing online ("real life" is
>another story). On the other hand, if you were in my physical presence
>and started talking like that, I would without a doubt leave the area
>or kick you out of my house. What you wrote there belongs in a lemon
>fanfic or something, not in a forum that is supposed to be about
>_discussing_ Eva.
Last I looked, Rei Ayanami was an Evangelion character, and we were in
the process of discussing certain aspects of her personality,
specifically her sexuality. This was never an 'I want to fuck Rei'
thread.
>Maybe there should be a
>japan.anime.evangelion.rei.fantasize subcategory. I've only been here
>too months, and your one-track mind is already getting very, very old.
You have a choice as to which of the comments on this *public forum*
you personally decide to view.
Don't like what I say? Don't read what I say.
If you think that my comments are bad, then you have obviously never
read any of the posts made by 'goat'. On second thoughts, you probably
shouldn't - I really don't want your heart attack on my conscience.
>Of course, fantasizing isn't something I find particularly good
>anyway. My brief philosophy on fantasy in general (not sexual, just in
>general) is that it's good to imagine the scientifically impossible,
>not simply the implausible or the things you are unwilling or scared
>to do yourself. That can be dangerous. Kind of like why fantasizing
>about killing people isn't a good thing.
Repressing one's own desires and urges can be much more dangerous than
embracing them and admitting that they exist.
>Oh, and so you know, ever heard of a fanfic called "Garden of Eva"? If
>not, it's available at http://www.animeprime.com. I read that in its
>entirety except for the lemon branches. Guess what? I enjoyed it.
You should read *my* fics...
Psaiyan Prince Vegeta
>Mostly because I've never seen the age of consent separated into male and
>female anywhere. This doesn't change the fact that yes, Japan still is much
>more patriarchal structured than your typical Western countries.
>
>I wasn't addressing older woman with younger boys because we had be
>discussing a particular relationship, mainly Gendou and Rei. No, I do not
>hold a double standard on that, it simply wasn't the topic of conversation.
Okay, it seems I missed your point. My apologies...
[DFC]cOwMoO
"THM" <thm...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I would just like to add that is seems most people think that Rei would have
alot of trouble understanding her feelings, I disagree with this.
While she may find it hard to express them in an outward manner, it seems
(during the 17th angel attack where she is 'talking' to it) that she can
distinguish between pain and lonliness, which I belive shows that she has at
least a marginal amount of understanding of her own feelings. I think people
get confused between the understanding of emotions, and the expression of
them.
IMO anyways ^^;
cOwMoO
[DFC]cOwMoO
"Lord Merc" <soldier...@ntlworld.com> wrote
> Auska is an emotionlly frail little girl, oh and she is also a filthy
> skank!!
Things like this are just unnecissary, at least the Asuka supporters aren't
so damn rude to Rei.
cOwMoO
[DFC]cOwMoO
"Lord Merc" <soldier...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Thanks for lowering the conversation a notch or two -_-
cOwMoO
Ren Driver
tell us all DCF?
"[DFC]cOwMoO" <cow...@bikerider.com> wrote in message
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Ren Driver
mixed up.
"Ren Driver" <kinki...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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goat
news:yxL2b.150$6O4.19...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com...
> tell us all DCF?
Asuka is a worthless cunt. Rei isn't.
People call her a skank because she acts like one.
She dresses in a way to flaunt her little jailbait pussy and act as a
cocktease towards men, not caring that she could get them into serious
trouble with the law. Looking the way she does, she's lucky not to get raped
when she goes out - she wold be asking for it if she was.
The way she drapes herself over Kaji is shameful and whorelike. If he gave
in to temptation, it would be poor Kaji who ended up in prison and Asuka
would be a victim, even if the little slut was the one who hit on him first.
fake name
Lord Merc
time!!
>
Lord Merc
"goat" <go...@goat.goat> wrote in message
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> "Ren Driver" <kinki...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
> news:yxL2b.150$6O4.19...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com...
> > I am kinda curious to how she is a dirty skank. Might you be inclined
to
> > tell us all DCF?
>
> Asuka is a worthless cunt. Rei isn't.
>
> People call her a skank because she acts like one.
>
> She dresses in a way to flaunt her little jailbait pussy and act as a
> cocktease towards men, not caring that she could get them into serious
> trouble with the law.
uhh, isnt the age of consent in japan 13??
Lord Merc
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thats goat for ya!!
Lord Merc
"fake name" <"fake name"@address.com> wrote in message
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thats goat for ya!!
THM
> I would just like to add that is seems most people think that Rei
> would have alot of trouble understanding her feelings, I disagree with
> this. While she may find it hard to express them in an outward manner,
> it seems (during the 17th angel attack where she is 'talking' to it)
> that she can distinguish between pain and lonliness, which I belive
> shows that she has at least a marginal amount of understanding of her
> own feelings. I think people get confused between the understanding of
> emotions, and the expression of them.
I guess; still, that doesn't mean that she has TOTAL understanding,
though. Perhaps she does understand them; I'd have to say that if she does,
it's from a once-removed perspective. She knows about 'happiness',
'misery', etc., but it's doubtful that she's felt any of them. She might
understand them in the abstract, but as applies to her...I dunno. Maybe.
Kinda sad that she can only really identify two such negative emotions,
don't you think?
> IMO anyways ^^;
Well, of course. ^_^
> cOwMoO
- THM
Ren Driver
"goat" <go...@goat.goat> wrote in message
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Rei. Her other outfits are partially like they are to stand out more cause
that is how she is. She wants to be center of attention. And I don't know
if you've never payed attention, there are alot of women who wear alot worse
clothing in the school world. and the draping herself over Kaji, she loves
him. To put it into a perspective for a guy, if you love a girl you
probably would do alot to try to get close to her.
Amani
news:big2co$vv1$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> news:yxL2b.150$6O4.19...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com...
> > I am kinda curious to how she is a dirty skank. Might you be inclined
to
> > tell us all DCF?
>
> Asuka is a worthless cunt. Rei isn't.
>
> People call her a skank because she acts like one.
>
> She dresses in a way to flaunt her little jailbait pussy and act as a
> cocktease towards men, not caring that she could get them into serious
> trouble with the law. Looking the way she does, she's lucky not to get
raped
> when she goes out - she wold be asking for it if she was.
Um...can you give some examples of when she "dresses in a way to flaunt her
little jailbait pussy"? I seriously went through as many Asuka image
galleries as I could find after you said that, looking for pictures of the
different outfits she wears in the series. Most of the time we see her out
of the apartment, she's in her school uniform. Then there's the yellow
sundress we first see her in, the green dress she wears on her date with the
guy Hikari asked her to go out with, and that blue shirt and white
shorts/skirt (never get a good look at it) she wears when shopping with
Kaji, none of which were particularly revealing at /all/. Attractive, yes.
She's a teenager. But promiscuous? Slutty? No way.
I'm going to reeeally restrain myself and not have a fit about the asking
for it if she got raped.
> The way she drapes herself over Kaji is shameful and whorelike. If he gave
> in to temptation, it would be poor Kaji who ended up in prison and Asuka
> would be a victim, even if the little slut was the one who hit on him
first.
Well, the easy answer is the chance that the age of consent in Japan has
stayed at 13 (which you so charmingly reminded us of earlier in the thread,
but of course that wouldn't count for Asuka, only Rei) until 2015.
You seem to suggest Asuka is stringing Kaji along or something, when she
really has feelings for him. While the whole situation is unfortunate, it's
not as if Asuka is throwing herself over every guy that comes across her
path. There's a difference between trying to get the attention of the guy
you really like and offering yourself up freely to any guy who wants it.
Besides the fact that it doesn't even seem like a temptation to Kaji. Hell,
Asuka offers herself up in the Director's Cut and Kaji hardly seems to
notice.
Am I condoning her behavior? No, she really shouldn't be even trying to get
the attention of a guy so much older than her, despite the unfortunate
situation of having feelings for him. It goes along with her whole emotional
problem of considering herself a lot older than she really is. But her
behavior is not worth the censures you give it.
--Taryn
Lord Merc
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thats goat for ya!!
Lord Merc
no probs
> cOwMoO
>
>
Drinian
after this.
> You have a choice as to which of the comments on this *public forum*
> you personally decide to view.
>
> Don't like what I say? Don't read what I say.
>
> If you think that my comments are bad, then you have obviously never
> read any of the posts made by 'goat'. On second thoughts, you probably
> shouldn't - I really don't want your heart attack on my conscience.
But that's the problem -- you, unlike goat, do have worthwhile things
to say -- at least in any thread that doesn't contain the word "Rei"
in the title. Goat I can't really put as much of a face on, even.
Also, my school doesn't carry j.a.e, so I have to post through Google
Groups and don't get a killfile. Though that's my problem.
> Repressing one's own desires and urges can be much more dangerous than
> embracing them and admitting that they exist.
I don't repress -- I grapple, which seems like an embrace to me.
I hope these last few posts haven't made me any enemies on the board.
[DFC]cOwMoO
>
> > I would just like to add that is seems most people think that Rei
> > would have alot of trouble understanding her feelings, I disagree with
> > this. While she may find it hard to express them in an outward manner,
> > it seems (during the 17th angel attack where she is 'talking' to it)
> > that she can distinguish between pain and lonliness, which I belive
> > shows that she has at least a marginal amount of understanding of her
> > own feelings. I think people get confused between the understanding of
> > emotions, and the expression of them.
>
> I guess; still, that doesn't mean that she has TOTAL understanding,
I don't think anyone has a TOTAL understanding of their feelings and
emotions.
> though. Perhaps she does understand them; I'd have to say that if she
does,
> it's from a once-removed perspective. She knows about 'happiness',
> 'misery', etc., but it's doubtful that she's felt any of them.
She seems to be expiriencing happiness when talking to Gendou (whether or
not she knows it).
She might
> understand them in the abstract, but as applies to her...I dunno. Maybe.
> Kinda sad that she can only really identify two such negative emotions,
> don't you think?
I don't know about ONLY, but she seems to be able to identify these the (for
lack of a better word) easiest.
> > IMO anyways ^^;
>
> Well, of course. ^_^
>
> > cOwMoO
>
> - THM
cOwMoO
[DFC]cOwMoO
"Ren Driver" <kinki...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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> tell us all DCF?
hey, I'm on your side.
btw, it's DFC
cOwMoO
Frank White
People hate the most, that which they are, or secretly want to be.
Or fear they are.
Fag bashers = repressed homosexual.
In this case, it would appear that Goat hates Asuka so much because
HE wants to dress all slutty and hit on men promisciously. Since
that's unacceptable to him, he unfairly transfers those behaviors
to Asuka and hates her for them instead of himself.
Interesting psychology, I must say.
^_^
FW
Ren Driver
Lord Merc
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> In article <big2co$vv1$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>, go...@goat.goat says...
> >
> >"Ren Driver" <kinki...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
> >news:yxL2b.150$6O4.19...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com...
> >> I am kinda curious to how she is a dirty skank. Might you be inclined
to
> >> tell us all DCF?
> >
> >Asuka is a worthless cunt. Rei isn't.
> >
> >People call her a skank because she acts like one.
> >
> >She dresses in a way to flaunt her little jailbait pussy and act as a
> >cocktease towards men, not caring that she could get them into serious
> >trouble with the law. Looking the way she does, she's lucky not to get
> raped
> >when she goes out - she wold be asking for it if she was.
> >
> >The way she drapes herself over Kaji is shameful and whorelike. If he
gave
> >in to temptation, it would be poor Kaji who ended up in prison and Asuka
> >would be a victim, even if the little slut was the one who hit on him
> first.
>
> People hate the most, that which they are, or secretly want to be.
> Or fear they are.
>
> Fag bashers = repressed homosexual.
>
dude, thats really wrong, you dont hate something because you want ot be it,
you hate it because it is digusting.
i would be interseted to hear your opinons on 48 year old make who have sex
with 5 year old girls, cause according to your therory, it means that i want
to do that, which i can assure you i dont!!
thats just wrong
Amani
It's not an every-time-is-true kind of thing. But it's true that we hate
those traits in others that we hate most in ourselves. It's called a Jungian
Shadow, since the psychological theory of it was proposed by Jung. It's a
part of our personality that we don't want to admit exists, that we hate
most in other people, but is an integral part of ourselves.
--Taryn
Lord Merc
possibly relate to everyone, cause i aint too hot on queers myself, but i
sure as heck don't wanna be one!!
i just hate when people put all their faith in freudian( or in this case
jung) theorys,m and think it gives them an excuse to judge!!!
> --Taryn
>
>
Amani
> >and, besides, is a good person at heart. Grades have little to do with
> >that.
>
> Actually, I cannot think of a single occurrence in which Asuka is
> demonstrated to be anything other than cruel, vindictive and immature.
> I appreciate that her childhood was traumatic, and that this may
> explain her behavior to an extent, but it in no way excuses it.
There are small occurances throughout the series. She's not a wonderful,
spread-the-love kind of person, but she's not totally heartless. She invites
Rei to Misato's promotion party. She decides upon a ramen place for Misato
to take the Children to so Misato won't be broke and so Rei can come because
of the lack of meat. Despite her initial shock when Hikari tells her she
likes Touji, Asuka quickly reassures and encourages her with her attitue.
And her whole friendship with Hikari. They were good enough friends that
Hikari took her in and let her stay with her after he mind-rape. When all
the power is sabotaged and Shinji's phone call with his father is cut off,
Asuka is surprisingly tactful in saying, "Maybe the Commander was just
really busy," instead of her usual verbal sparring with Shinji.
Asuka certainly isn't completely heartless.
--Taryn
goat
> Um...can you give some examples of when she "dresses in a way to flaunt
her
> little jailbait pussy"? I seriously went through as many Asuka image
> galleries as I could find after you said that, looking for pictures of the
> different outfits she wears in the series. Most of the time we see her out
> of the apartment, she's in her school uniform. Then there's the yellow
> sundress we first see her in, the green dress she wears on her date with
the
> guy Hikari asked her to go out with, and that blue shirt and white
> shorts/skirt (never get a good look at it) she wears when shopping with
> Kaji, none of which were particularly revealing at /all/. Attractive, yes.
> She's a teenager. But promiscuous? Slutty? No way.
Look at the times she wears shorts that are so small theyre almost up her
arse. A T-shirt that's so loose that her tits are hanging out when she bends
over. There is that striped bikini she wears that nearly gives Shinji a
heart attack.
> I'm going to reeeally restrain myself and not have a fit about the asking
> for it if she got raped.
If she walked out at night dressed like that (or in her plugsuit), she would
be asking for trouble from some pervert.
> Well, the easy answer is the chance that the age of consent in Japan has
> stayed at 13 (which you so charmingly reminded us of earlier in the
thread,
> but of course that wouldn't count for Asuka, only Rei) until 2015.
Sorry, I was thinking of it in terms of US/UK ages of consent. I do that
sometimes - forget it's Japan.
Both would be legal in Japan of course.
> You seem to suggest Asuka is stringing Kaji along or something, when she
> really has feelings for him. While the whole situation is unfortunate,
it's
> not as if Asuka is throwing herself over every guy that comes across her
> path. There's a difference between trying to get the attention of the guy
> you really like and offering yourself up freely to any guy who wants it.
> Besides the fact that it doesn't even seem like a temptation to Kaji.
Hell,
> Asuka offers herself up in the Director's Cut and Kaji hardly seems to
> notice.
Kaji's a man. Course he thought about it. He's just really good at hiding
it. I think that if Kaji was to show interest, Asuka would back off -
probably when he had her naked and on her back with his dick out. She
strikes me as that kind of cocktease.
> Am I condoning her behavior? No, she really shouldn't be even trying to
get
> the attention of a guy so much older than her, despite the unfortunate
> situation of having feelings for him. It goes along with her whole
emotional
> problem of considering herself a lot older than she really is. But her
> behavior is not worth the censures you give it.
There's nothing wrong with her going after an older guy but she goes about
it in a really slutty way. Rei would never need to throw herself at anyone -
she's just so much more classy. Asuka's a brazen little tart.
Amani
>
> "Amani" <am...@charter.net> wrote in message
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> > Um...can you give some examples of when she "dresses in a way to flaunt
> her
> > little jailbait pussy"? I seriously went through as many Asuka image
> > galleries as I could find after you said that, looking for pictures of
the
> > different outfits she wears in the series. Most of the time we see her
out
> > of the apartment, she's in her school uniform. Then there's the yellow
> > sundress we first see her in, the green dress she wears on her date with
> the
> > guy Hikari asked her to go out with, and that blue shirt and white
> > shorts/skirt (never get a good look at it) she wears when shopping with
> > Kaji, none of which were particularly revealing at /all/. Attractive,
yes.
> > She's a teenager. But promiscuous? Slutty? No way.
>
> Look at the times she wears shorts that are so small theyre almost up her
> arse. A T-shirt that's so loose that her tits are hanging out when she
bends
> over. There is that striped bikini she wears that nearly gives Shinji a
> heart attack.
There's a HUGE difference between what you wear around your own home for
pajamas and what you were out.
And that's hardly a particularly skimpy bikini. Shinji's just Shinji.
> > I'm going to reeeally restrain myself and not have a fit about the
asking
> > for it if she got raped.
>
> If she walked out at night dressed like that (or in her plugsuit), she
would
> be asking for trouble from some pervert.
The point is that she doesn't. She never wears any of the stuff you're
censuring as being slutty outside.
> > You seem to suggest Asuka is stringing Kaji along or something, when she
> > really has feelings for him. While the whole situation is unfortunate,
> it's
> > not as if Asuka is throwing herself over every guy that comes across her
> > path. There's a difference between trying to get the attention of the
guy
> > you really like and offering yourself up freely to any guy who wants it.
> > Besides the fact that it doesn't even seem like a temptation to Kaji.
> Hell,
> > Asuka offers herself up in the Director's Cut and Kaji hardly seems to
> > notice.
>
> Kaji's a man. Course he thought about it. He's just really good at hiding
> it. I think that if Kaji was to show interest, Asuka would back off -
> probably when he had her naked and on her back with his dick out. She
> strikes me as that kind of cocktease.
Y'know, with enough platonic feelings for a young enough girl, there can
actually be a lack of attraction. Not all guys have an attraction for
14-year-old girls.
And somehow I don't think I'm going to listen to what "strikes" someone who
has some ridiculous notion about Rei being a sex fiend.
--Taryn