Video card advice?
Michael Cash
did it without setting the place afire. If I had known how amazingly
easy it is to assemble a computer from components, I would have done
it long ago. It never dawned on me that the motherboard would come
with a complete instruction manual on how to hook everything up.
Pentium IV 2.6ghz CPU
512mb RAM (so far)
128mb GeForce FX 5200 video card
DVD/CD-RW drive
DVD/CD-ROM drive
120gb hard drive (so far)
floppy (for old times sake)
15" flat screen monitor
Windoze XP
Room for a couple more externally accessible drives and about 4 more
internal drives.
It runs great and has absolutely beautiful graphics. But...
When running games, everything goes along fine for a while and then
there is a sort of soft "pfft" sound from inside the case and the
entire system hangs up. I have installed the latest drivers from the
video card manufacturer's website, and have fiddled with everything I
can imagine. I'm not overclocking the CPU and the CPU temp runs at
about 37-38 degrees, as does the motherboard. Anybody have any
suggestions on what might be causing this and what I could do to
remedy the problem? One of the games doesn't even require graphic
acceleration at all, and in facts runs like a charm on my old computer
(with much lower specs, Pentium III 733mhz, 448mb ram, no video card).
It's driving me nucking futs.
--
Michael Cash
"There was a time, Mr. Cash, when I believed you must be the most useless
thing in the world. But that was before I read a Microsoft help file."
Prof. Ernest T. Bass
Mount Pilot College
Rindler Sigurd
> acceleration at all, and in facts runs like a charm on my old computer
> (with much lower specs, Pentium III 733mhz, 448mb ram, no video card).
> It's driving me nucking futs.
>
>
Mike,
check your BIOS settings. I remember somebody who had similar problems,
however, without the "pffft" (just freezing)...
Another problem could be an incompatibility of your motherboard and the
video card.
DIY is nice, but the components need to be 100% compatible. That's why I
only upgrade computers and buy ready-made new ones. Dell and other makers
have tested their models over umpteen hours to see whether everything runs
smoothly.
Sigi
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Michael Cash
<mike...@sunfield.ne.jp> belched the alphabet and kept on going with:
>It runs great and has absolutely beautiful graphics. But...
>
>When running games, everything goes along fine for a while and then
>there is a sort of soft "pfft" sound from inside the case and the
>entire system hangs up. I have installed the latest drivers from the
>video card manufacturer's website, and have fiddled with everything I
>can imagine. I'm not overclocking the CPU and the CPU temp runs at
>about 37-38 degrees, as does the motherboard. Anybody have any
>suggestions on what might be causing this and what I could do to
>remedy the problem? One of the games doesn't even require graphic
>acceleration at all, and in facts runs like a charm on my old computer
>(with much lower specs, Pentium III 733mhz, 448mb ram, no video card).
>It's driving me nucking futs.
I figured it out. Or at least I fixed it, anyway.
The games or the card or something doesn't care for hyperthreading.
Turned it off in the BIOS and everything was hunky-dory. For about
three and a half hours into a game. That's when I was reminded that my
apartment was wired by the same electricians who did Oliver Wendell
Douglas' house in Hooterville. Two computers, an air conditioner, and
the rice cooker can NOT all be on at the same time. In fact, the air
conditioner and the microwave can't be on at the same time.
When the rice cooker kicked in and turned up the heat, WHAM! went the
circuit breaker. There followed an incredibly heartfelt and
considerably sustained burst of profanity that blistered the paint off
all the cars in the parking lot outside.
Like they say, if it ain't one thing, it's something else.
Michael Cash
<srin...@da2.so-net.ne.jp> belched the alphabet and kept on going
with:
>One of the games doesn't even require graphic
>> acceleration at all, and in facts runs like a charm on my old computer
>> (with much lower specs, Pentium III 733mhz, 448mb ram, no video card).
>> It's driving me nucking futs.
>>
>>
>
>
>Mike,
>check your BIOS settings. I remember somebody who had similar problems,
>however, without the "pffft" (just freezing)...
>Another problem could be an incompatibility of your motherboard and the
>video card.
I had hoped that having both motherboard and video card from the same
manufacturer would preclude that. They seem to get along alright, it
is just that something about the games and the Pentium IV's
hyperthreading don't work well together. The video output and program
operation are fine on everything else.
I wish you could see the difference in the video quality of the ocean
surface in "Silent Hunter II". I believe it would almost be possible
to get seasick watching it on the new setup. And the terrain details
in "Il-2 Sturmovik FB" are amazing as well.
>DIY is nice, but the components need to be 100% compatible. That's why I
>only upgrade computers and buy ready-made new ones. Dell and other makers
>have tested their models over umpteen hours to see whether everything runs
>smoothly.
I thought about doing that. I looked in the various stores around
here, and none of them had a suitable model to start with. Compact
cases with little or no room for expansion seem to be the norm. I
think manufacturers finally noticed that if you don't leave people
room to expand/improve their computers, then they will have to buy a
replacement instead.
I bought all the components separately. The only exception being that
the case had a 400w ATX power supply already installed.
Now...if I can just find a place to PUT the thing and figure out how
to network it with the old one (the wife and kids inherit it) and get
them to both share a single ADSL connection, all my problems will be
solved.
Kevin Wayne Williams
> The games or the card or something doesn't care for hyperthreading.
> Turned it off in the BIOS and everything was hunky-dory. For about
> three and a half hours into a game. That's when I was reminded that my
> apartment was wired by the same electricians who did Oliver Wendell
> Douglas' house in Hooterville. Two computers, an air conditioner, and
> the rice cooker can NOT all be on at the same time. In fact, the air
> conditioner and the microwave can't be on at the same time.
>
> When the rice cooker kicked in and turned up the heat, WHAM! went the
> circuit breaker. There followed an incredibly heartfelt and
> considerably sustained burst of profanity that blistered the paint off
> all the cars in the parking lot outside.
>
> Like they say, if it ain't one thing, it's something else.
>
UPS Systems are remarkably cheap insurance against this kind of thing.
Systems that will bridge you for about a half-hour are around $100
bucks. Of course, if I were a trucker that already had a battery
charger, a truck battery, and 400 watt inverter, I would just use that.
KWW
Michael Cash
<nih...@paxonet.kom> belched the alphabet and kept on going with:
I have none of those things. And I am very seriously considering a UPS
system. Having the currently violently shut off several times every
summer can't be doing my computers' innards any good.
Rindler Sigurd
> to network it with the old one (the wife and kids inherit it) and get
> them to both share a single ADSL connection, all my problems will be
> solved.
>
Go to http://www.tokyopc.org/. There are relevant NGs where these things
have been discussed and solved in the past. You don't need to be a member to
use the NGs.
Ed
"Michael Cash" <mike...@sunfield.ne.jp> wrote in message
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> I bought all the components separately. The only exception being that
> the case had a 400w ATX power supply already installed.
Isn't it more expensive doing it that way? Me, I buy the cheapest computer
running the fastest processor I can find, and then wait until technology
makes the whole thing run slower than pigshit.
Bryan Parker
Spoken like another true SOTEC fan. I'd tell you
what model I'm using now but I don't know. I *do*
know that it was cheap.
--
Bryan
gaijenetic endowment -
noun: the total of inherited slabttributes
Ed
"Bryan Parker" <puntspe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Ed" <gwb...@whitehouse.gov> said:
>
> >
> >"Michael Cash" <mike...@sunfield.ne.jp> wrote in message
> >news:ufg1kvsq4ruse7b1v...@4ax.com...
> >
> >> I bought all the components separately. The only exception being that
> >> the case had a 400w ATX power supply already installed.
> >
> >Isn't it more expensive doing it that way? Me, I buy the cheapest
computer
> >running the fastest processor I can find, and then wait until technology
> >makes the whole thing run slower than pigshit.
>
> Spoken like another true SOTEC fan. I'd tell you
> what model I'm using now but I don't know. I *do*
> know that it was cheap.
Yep, my computer is a sotec. I bought it when 500mhz P3s were first
introduced. It cost about 70,000 yen. I was down at the local Yamada denki a
few days ago and saw they have a P4 tower sans monitor for 50,000. It has
all the goodies like oodles of ram, disk space, DVD player, CDRW...
The nicest thing about a sotec is that you hope it blows up so your wife
will let you buy the newest model.
Shingen
> how
> to network it with the old one (the wife and kids inherit it) and get
> them to both share a single ADSL connection, all my problems will be
> solved.
Why don't you buy a router and a file server?
I personally use the one from Lynksis, but this is good only when using
a bridge-type dsl modem. If your ISP provides you with a router-type,
all you have to do is to buy a hub (preferably with a switch). With a
file server, you won't have a hassle with setting your dozeXP for file
sharing.
Good luck.
Regards,
A Passer-by
Bryan Parker
This is the 3rd chat machine I've bought from that
company and the only thing that'll keep me from
buying another one is the desire to build one from
scratch like Mike.
Uhhh.... never mind. Click on the Sotec at the top
of the link and then on the "Value Up Option"
button here:
http://www1.pcdepot.co.jp/index.html
Holy shit, Batman! How about 512 extra chunks of
RAM and an additional 120GigaUnits of hard drive
for 15,000 yen? By the time I'm ready to buy a new
computer they'll be giving the shit away.
Ryan Ginstrom
> what model I'm using now but I don't know. I *do*
> know that it was cheap.
I'm an ex-SOTEC fan, myself. The RAM, CPU & disk space are great values for
the yen, but the peripherals are truly crap. After about 6 months,
everything starts falling apart - CD, USB ports, fan, etc. etc.
My current computer is a Dell, and aside from having to reformat the hard
drive after about 1 month, everything has been working great. They even gave
me a new AC adaptor free of charge after one of the dogs chewed through the
first one.
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Ed
"Ryan Ginstrom" <gins...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Bryan Parker" <puntspe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:6a63kv4i04vjcj7uk...@4ax.com...
> > Spoken like another true SOTEC fan. I'd tell you
> > what model I'm using now but I don't know. I *do*
> > know that it was cheap.
>
> I'm an ex-SOTEC fan, myself. The RAM, CPU & disk space are great values
for
> the yen, but the peripherals are truly crap. After about 6 months,
> everything starts falling apart - CD, USB ports, fan, etc. etc.
You forgot to mention the crappy motherboard. Yeah, my computer's fan
started making these big "WHONK! WHONK! WHONK!" noises about a week after I
got it. It would do that for about five minutes before quieting down. It
hasn't made any noise for several years now. Oh, and the monitor they gave
me developed a short in it about a year after I bought the thing. I found
that by banging on the side of it, I could coax it back into service. I
finally got tired of hitting my computer so I went down to the local used PC
place and bought a very nice 17 inch fujitsu monitor for 4,000 yen. The hell
of it is that they're so cheap because they are manufactured in Korea. Most
people don't seem to realize that computers are nothing more than a bunch of
peripherals, and made in Korea if you're lucky. Mostly it's places like
Malaysia or Singapore.
I wish the damned thing would fall apart so I could show my wife the green
smoke spewing out of the back so I could go down to PCdepot and buy one of
those new models. I forget how many years it's been in service, but the
damned thing still works.
Brett Robson
>
>I finally completed my new DIY computer, and am very proud to say I
>did it without setting the place afire. If I had known how amazingly
>easy it is to assemble a computer from components, I would have done
>it long ago. It never dawned on me that the motherboard would come
>with a complete instruction manual on how to hook everything up.
>
>Pentium IV 2.6ghz CPU
>512mb RAM (so far)
>128mb GeForce FX 5200 video card
>DVD/CD-RW drive
>DVD/CD-ROM drive
>120gb hard drive (so far)
>floppy (for old times sake)
>15" flat screen monitor
>Windoze XP
>
>Room for a couple more externally accessible drives and about 4 more
>internal drives.
>
>It runs great and has absolutely beautiful graphics. But...
>
I was going to get around to this eventually.
I built a new machine recently as the P166 with 2G HDD was getting a bit slow.
* Case $free (had an old power supply so had to buy a special plug for the CPU
power)
* RAM 240M $free
* 8 Gb HDD, 9 Gb HDD, $free
* CD-ROM $free
* floppy $free (in the case but neither power or data connected)
* Sound Blaster sound card $free
* 64Mb Matrox Video card $free
* Keyboard and mouse, shitty old ones from old machine
* Mother board, new MSI that could handle old RAM and new RAM 8,000en
* Duron 1.3, 4500en. This is the fastest that would run with the old RAM, but I
can update to a 2.4 if I get new RAM
* 17in Mitsubishi monitor, 3,000en
Total cost, around 17,000.
I couldn't get it to boot and my boss eventually worked out I had missed a
jumper setting to set the bus at the slower speed for the Duron.
This is only part of my home studio.
* Roland M-2 USB Midi controller, $free
* Yamaha RX8, classic drum machine, 1,000en (>10 years old). New would have
been >100,000en
* EMU Proteus, 18,000en sound module. These were selling at 800 English
Sterlings when new or several million Austraia Kanjarubles, 4 years or more old.
* Korg N5 66(?)key synth, 28,000en, new >100,000en. I love this, the most
beautiful thing man has created.
* Mackie 16 channel 4 bus mixer, $free. The pots are a bit dusty.
* Cables. Until you set up a home studio you have no idea what cable spagetthi
is. My room looks like a cross between a Moog and a Russian spacecraft. Most
things have two audio cables, one or two midi cables and power. I've run a 10
meter earth wire from my kitchen to lounge.
* Yamaha Stratocaster copy, $free. I don't like Strats and this one is crap and
makes my fingers hurt. But it was free.
* Narrow body acoustic guitar with pickup, $free. Hated it a first but growing
on me.
* Fender Jazz Bass (Japanese), black with tortoise shell, 40,000en. I wanted a
Ibanez bass (the narrow neck is ideal for me little finger) but now I love it
with all my heart. I might name it Yumiko after Yumiko Shaku.
* USB CD burner, 3,000 en.
I haven't added that all up and I have no idea how much I have spent on trains
but it's less than 100,000, less than most people spend on a computer.
.
.
Yamaha
----
"One way for us to be be seen as the ugly American is to go around the world
saying we do it this way so should you"
- Gov George W Bush
Ed
"Brett Robson" <jet...@deja.com> wrote in message
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> * Yamaha Stratocaster copy, $free. I don't like Strats and this one is
crap and
> makes my fingers hurt. But it was free.
Don't like strats!? Jimi is rolling in his grave.
Here's my current project. Every piece of wood on it is either Brazilian or
Madagascar rosewood.
Brett Robson
>
>
>"Brett Robson" <jet...@deja.com> wrote in message
>news:bhv4d...@drn.newsguy.com...
>
>> * Yamaha Stratocaster copy, $free. I don't like Strats and this one is
>crap and
>> makes my fingers hurt. But it was free.
>
>Don't like strats!? Jimi is rolling in his grave.
I don't hate them, but it's not my style. We won't start a Stevie Ray Vaughan vs
Jimi Hendricks argument but SRV is my favourite guitarist.
I prefer a Gibson neck and humbucker sound.
This is what I want.
http://www.epiphone.com/default.asp?ProductID=43&CollectionID=6
There is one in my local Daiei
http://atomu.gol.ad.jp/les_paul_studio.jpg
It's a beautiful cherry red. But I can't work out which colour it is on the
colour chart.
I haven't played an Epiphone so not really sure how good they are.
>
>Here's my current project. Every piece of wood on it is either Brazilian or
>Madagascar rosewood.
>
>http://photos.yahoo.com/burt_sampson
>
Very nice, be sure to put a pair of EMG humbuckers on it, I'd only bother with
one as I don't use the bridge p/u.
.
Michael Cash
<puntspe...@yahoo.com> belched the alphabet and kept on going
with:
>"Ed" <gwb...@whitehouse.gov> said:
It was astoundingly easy. All you need is a screwdriver. If you're out
of vodka, have some other drink instead.
>
>Uhhh.... never mind. Click on the Sotec at the top
>of the link and then on the "Value Up Option"
>button here:
>http://www1.pcdepot.co.jp/index.html
>
>Holy shit, Batman! How about 512 extra chunks of
>RAM and an additional 120GigaUnits of hard drive
>for 15,000 yen? By the time I'm ready to buy a new
>computer they'll be giving the shit away.
I think they're using those to dump their stock of 5400rpm hard
drives.
Michael Cash
belched the alphabet and kept on going with:
>
>"Michael Cash" <mike...@sunfield.ne.jp> wrote in message
>news:ufg1kvsq4ruse7b1v...@4ax.com...
>
>> I bought all the components separately. The only exception being that
>> the case had a 400w ATX power supply already installed.
>
>Isn't it more expensive doing it that way?
I *think* I saved a little bit. The whole project ended up costing me
about 170,000 yen. It could have been done for a lot less money, but
then it wouldn't have been what I wanted. I looked around the stores
and tried to figure out if I could get something similar for less
money, but never found anything. Anyway, I sorta wanted to see if I
could do it. Now that I know how simple it actually is, it doesn't
feel like as much an accomplishment as I thought it would.
>Me, I buy the cheapest computer
>running the fastest processor I can find, and then wait until technology
>makes the whole thing run slower than pigshit.
I didn't realize that a Pentium III 733mhz was slower than pigshit
until I fired up the Pentium IV 2.6ghz. I could have gotten a faster
one, if I had been willing to pay twice the price for not nearly twice
the speed.
And the hyperthreading technology (whatever the fuck that is) in the
Pentium IV does seem to make a real difference in the overall speed of
the system. I believe I'll turn it on for stuff other than games.
Ed
> Very nice, be sure to put a pair of EMG humbuckers on it, I'd only bother
with
> one as I don't use the bridge p/u.
Nope. I'm waiting for some harmonic design z-90s that I ordered about a
month ago. They should be here in another two weeks.
Kevin Wayne Williams
> Anyway, I sorta wanted to see if I
> could do it. Now that I know how simple it actually is, it doesn't
> feel like as much an accomplishment as I thought it would.
You are missing the true secret of accomplishment: doing something that
everyone thinks is hard, but is actually quite simple. That way you get
bragging rights, but don't actually have to pop a sweat or strain a neuron.
KWW
Brett Robson
They look interesting, but I don't really like working on guitars. I'm happy to
rip a computer to peices, but I don't know enough about guitars to change stuff.
My Strat copy has quite a lousy flat dead sound and I have considered buying a
pickup replacement kit, but that's >20,000yen and the guitar isn't really worth
it. The neck isn't bad, but the fretting at the first fret is quite kibishii,
difficult to play an F chord.
Ed
> They look interesting, but I don't really like working on guitars. I'm
happy to
> rip a computer to peices, but I don't know enough about guitars to change
stuff.
> My Strat copy has quite a lousy flat dead sound and I have considered
buying a
> pickup replacement kit, but that's >20,000yen and the guitar isn't really
worth
> it. The neck isn't bad, but the fretting at the first fret is quite
kibishii,
> difficult to play an F chord.
My project strat is not an old guitar that I'm changing all around. It's a
brand new custom job. I had each piece and each measurement built to my
specifications because it's something I've always wanted. It looks like a
strat, but that's where the similarity ends.
I can tell you've been shopping around in Japan for a pickup replacement
kit. Don't. They triple and quadruple the prices on stuff that you can buy
right off the internet.
Try this place http://www.stewmac.com/ You can buy an assembled strat
pickguard complete with pickups, potentiometers, switches, all the wiring
done for 40 sepponian shekels. Installing it is as simple as screwing in 8
screws and attaching two wires to your output jack.
Jim
>
> Now...if I can just find a place to PUT the thing and figure out how
> to network it with the old one (the wife and kids inherit it) and get
> them to both share a single ADSL connection, all my problems will be
> solved.
>
This post is a bit late but here's the cheapest way to do what you want:
Buy a 4-port hub (or whatever's on sale) and some ethernet cables. I think
the latest hubs are all auto-crossover so you won't need a crossover
ethernet cable. If it's not auto-crossover, you'll need one crossover cable
connect your computer to the hub.
Buy another ethernet card.
Install ethernet card. On the ethernet card that you use to connect to
the internet, click on the tab somewhere that says "share this connection"
(or something similar).
Windows will tell you that it's setting your other ethernet card to some
wild IP address (probably 192.168.0.1). If this is the same address that
your original ethernet card is set to route to (from dos prompt type
"route print" and see what the last line "default gateway" is set to),
you will need to change the 192.168.0.1 to something else, like 192.168.1.1.
Then you just plug the hub to to the second ethernet cards, and the wife
and kids' computers to the hub. Set their computers to use DHCP and you're
done.
Oh, do a quick look on support.microsoft.com and see the registry setting
you need to add... do a search for "IP routing". You need to have IP routing
set for this to all work.
Hope this helps.
-Jim
Michael Cash
belched the alphabet and kept on going with:
>Michael Cash wrote:
>>
>> Now...if I can just find a place to PUT the thing and figure out how
>> to network it with the old one (the wife and kids inherit it) and get
>> them to both share a single ADSL connection, all my problems will be
>> solved.
>>
>
>This post is a bit late but here's the cheapest way to do what you want:
Three days too late. I did all this last Sunday.
>
>Buy a 4-port hub (or whatever's on sale) and some ethernet cables. I think
>the latest hubs are all auto-crossover so you won't need a crossover
>ethernet cable. If it's not auto-crossover, you'll need one crossover cable
>connect your computer to the hub.
Yep. Auto-crossover.
>
>Buy another ethernet card.
Nope. I had already installed one in the old one when I went to a
cable connection. The new one's motherboard came already set up for
it.
>
>Install ethernet card. On the ethernet card that you use to connect to
>the internet, click on the tab somewhere that says "share this connection"
>(or something similar).
>
>Windows will tell you that it's setting your other ethernet card to some
>wild IP address (probably 192.168.0.1). If this is the same address that
>your original ethernet card is set to route to (from dos prompt type
>"route print" and see what the last line "default gateway" is set to),
>you will need to change the 192.168.0.1 to something else, like 192.168.1.1.
The router set up procedure took me through some such rigamarole.
>
>Then you just plug the hub to to the second ethernet cards, and the wife
>and kids' computers to the hub. Set their computers to use DHCP and you're
>done.
Except for enabling file-sharing so I can more easily port my porn and
music over to the new computer. (I figured that one out already too,
thanks).
>
>Oh, do a quick look on support.microsoft.com and see the registry setting
>you need to add... do a search for "IP routing". You need to have IP routing
>set for this to all work.
I'm supposed to look on Microsoft's website in the hopes of finding
something both useful and comprehensible? Does not compute.
>
>Hope this helps.
Late, but appreciated all the same.
Ken
> Michael Cash wrote:
>
>>
>> Now...if I can just find a place to PUT the thing and figure out how
>> to network it with the old one (the wife and kids inherit it) and get
>> them to both share a single ADSL connection, all my problems will be
>> solved.
>
> This post is a bit late but here's the cheapest way to do what you want:
>
> Buy a 4-port hub (or whatever's on sale) and some ethernet cables. I think
> the latest hubs are all auto-crossover so you won't need a crossover
> ethernet cable. If it's not auto-crossover, you'll need one crossover cable
> connect your computer to the hub.
<nitpick>
Um, if a crossover cable is required to connect a *computer* to
networking gear like a hub, then what are normal -- i.e. non
cross-over -- ethernet cables for? Think about it.
</nitpick>
> Buy another ethernet card.
>
> Install ethernet card. On the ethernet card that you use to connect to
> the internet, click on the tab somewhere that says "share this connection"
> (or something similar).
The hub will probably be needed. As for the additional ethernet
card, if you've already got a stand-alone ADSL router that does PPPoE
and NAT, it doesn't really make sense installing a second ethernet
card in a PC to provide -- possibly unstable -- NAT and routing services.
How much does an ADSL router with a built-in 4-port hub cost nowadays?
Heck, there might even be cheap ones to be had for a few thousand yens
on auctions.yahoo.co.jp as people dump them to migrate from DSL to
optical fiber.
Jim
> Jim wrote:
>
>>Michael Cash wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Now...if I can just find a place to PUT the thing and figure out how
>>>to network it with the old one (the wife and kids inherit it) and get
>>>them to both share a single ADSL connection, all my problems will be
>>>solved.
>>
>>This post is a bit late but here's the cheapest way to do what you want:
>>
>>Buy a 4-port hub (or whatever's on sale) and some ethernet cables. I think
>>the latest hubs are all auto-crossover so you won't need a crossover
>>ethernet cable. If it's not auto-crossover, you'll need one crossover cable
>>connect your computer to the hub.
>
>
> <nitpick>
>
> Um, if a crossover cable is required to connect a *computer* to
> networking gear like a hub, then what are normal -- i.e. non
> cross-over -- ethernet cables for? Think about it.
>
> </nitpick>
Um, if you're only connecting *computers* to the hub, and you
want to use all the ports, the "uplink" port requires
a crossover cable.
I *was* thinking about it.
-Jim
Ken
Um, considering the fairly reduced number - 4 to 8 - of ports
on a typical "consumer" hub, do you think they'd have a
*dedicated* uplink port?
Besides, wouldn't such a hypothetical port on a "consumer"
device almost always be auto-crossover, or at the very least
manually switchable between "crossed" and "straight" anyway?
If the DSL termination device is a *modem*, a cross-cable *might*
be required to connect the modem to a hub, assuming neither of the
two devices has a switchable wiring.
If the DSL termination device is a combined *modem-router*, I can't
see why a cross-cable might be needed to connect it to a hub.
Similarly, I can't recall having ever seen a "consumer" hub in Japan
that had a port hardwired/dedicated to uplinking. We're not really
talking about a dedicated gigabit uplink port used for trunking, say,
on a Cisco Catalyst...
Michael Cash
alphabet and kept on going with:
>Jim wrote:
>> Michael Cash wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Now...if I can just find a place to PUT the thing and figure out how
>>> to network it with the old one (the wife and kids inherit it) and get
>>> them to both share a single ADSL connection, all my problems will be
>>> solved.
>>
>> This post is a bit late but here's the cheapest way to do what you want:
>>
>> Buy a 4-port hub (or whatever's on sale) and some ethernet cables. I think
>> the latest hubs are all auto-crossover so you won't need a crossover
>> ethernet cable. If it's not auto-crossover, you'll need one crossover cable
>> connect your computer to the hub.
>
><nitpick>
>
>Um, if a crossover cable is required to connect a *computer* to
>networking gear like a hub, then what are normal -- i.e. non
>cross-over -- ethernet cables for? Think about it.
>
></nitpick>
>
>
>> Buy another ethernet card.
>>
>> Install ethernet card. On the ethernet card that you use to connect to
>> the internet, click on the tab somewhere that says "share this connection"
>> (or something similar).
>
>The hub will probably be needed. As for the additional ethernet
>card, if you've already got a stand-alone ADSL router that does PPPoE
>and NAT, it doesn't really make sense installing a second ethernet
>card in a PC to provide -- possibly unstable -- NAT and routing services.
The technicalities of this are already way over my head, so 'scuse me
if I say something stupid here.
What I bought was a Buffalo BLR3-TX4 broadband router. It has space on
the back to plug in connections to 4 computers. I am using two of
them. The phone wire goes into my ADSL modem, the modem is connected
to the router, and the two computers are plugged into the router.
Beyond that, I'm Sgt. Schultz over here. I know nothing.
>
>How much does an ADSL router with a built-in 4-port hub cost nowadays?
>Heck, there might even be cheap ones to be had for a few thousand yens
>on auctions.yahoo.co.jp as people dump them to migrate from DSL to
>optical fiber.
From about 4000 to 1000 yen.