To Whom Did Japan Surrender In 1945?
ugly duckling
As you could understand from my other arguments, when America
fought against Japan, they did it out of selfishness, not out of
love for justice and peace.
It was then Japan, who received the two atomic blows as God's justice;
they knew that America was instrumental in bringing this kind
of judgment of God upon them.
It was this faith of Japan that influenced America to start behaving like
the world's police since the WWII, as if they (and their military power)
were the ones who brought justice and peace in this world during WWII,
whereas the truth is that what America did happened work out for justice
and peace. Most American politicians gave no credit to God. They gave
all the credit to the American idealism and military power.
(America started behaving something which they were not. This was the
beginning of the American confusion about their role in the world.)
Can you then say Japan had somehow misled America to think that she
was the world's police? Certainly not.
Perhaps, North Korea, China, Iraq... all these are happening to show
that America was fak'n it all along.
I still love America. And I abhor North Korean regime. But this is
something that American people should realize.
You should know that the two a-bombs actually helped Japan's
conscience to grow - not that I'm implying America intended this
kind of result from Japan. (If you cannot believe it, why don't you look
at Japan now.)
ugly duckling
Bluewater
doctor in your ward for that.
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A A
It was a conditional surrender to keep their Emperor as sovereign ruler.
The US didn't accept that and we also wanted to show Russia that we had
such a powerful weapon. After the second bomb was dropped, Hirohito made
the decision himself to go on the Japanese news and surrender. The papers
were signed later.
One of the clauses of surrender was that the Emperor would no longer be
descended from a God. He would just be the figurehead of the people. This
was the only "God" during the fall of Japan. No other God was involved,
Christian or otherwise. Read a book instead of rewriting history.
ugly duckling
an American-educated ethnic Japanese Christian missionary
named, Dr. Kagawa.
He is the one who put everything that was happening to Japan
and the emperor into perspective.
And this is the reason why the Emperor asked America to
send 1000 Christian missionaries to Japan.
But America didn't comply, thinking it was ridiculous.
Just like today --> Bush did not send missionaries to Iraq after the war.
Where did you think the Emperor got such a crazy idea from?
If he so much cared for his own divine nature????
So, in your opinion, who do you think the Emperor, and
Japanese leaders for that matter, surrender themselves?
Who was obeying God's voice and who surrendered to God's will?
Japan who asked for missionaries? or America who did not
bother sending missionaries???
You are stupid.
ugly duckling
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Cindy
> Japan was already willing to surrender when the first A-bomb was dropped.
Civilian politicians, Prime Minister Suzuki and almost all Japanese
populace wanted the war to end as soon as possible. Imperial Japanese
Army was the one in the absolute control over the Japanese nation. They
used the emperor for an excuse to justify their ideology; they abused
censorship; they arrested and imprisoned any anti-war activist. You got
to separate those two groups clearly when you talk about Japan during
the war.
> It was a conditional surrender to keep their Emperor as sovereign ruler.
> The US didn't accept that and we also wanted to show Russia that we had
> such a powerful weapon. After the second bomb was dropped, Hirohito made
> the decision himself to go on the Japanese news and surrender. The papers
> were signed later.
After the second bomb was dropped, they voted in the cabinet. The
result was tied; therefore, the emperor had to make the final decision.
He decided to surrender unconditionally.
> One of the clauses of surrender was that the Emperor would no longer be
> descended from a God. He would just be the figurehead of the people. This
> was the only "God" during the fall of Japan. No other God was involved,
> Christian or otherwise. Read a book instead of rewriting history.
I bet Hirohito knew that he wasn't a god at all time, and he must have
been relieved when he stepped down from the sovereign responsibilities.
gaffo
> One of the clauses of surrender was that the Emperor would no longer be
> descended from a God.
interesting!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i learned something today!! ;-). cool trivia!
thanks for the heads up!
--
"I think all foreigners should stop interfering in the internal
affairs of Iraq," said Wolfowitz, who is touring the country to meet
U.S. troops and Iraqi officials.
gaffo
> You probably don't know that the Emperor consulted with
> an American-educated ethnic Japanese Christian missionary
> named, Dr. Kagawa.
>
> He is the one who put everything that was happening to Japan
> and the emperor into perspective.
and........this is relivant how?
>
> And this is the reason why the Emperor asked America to
> send 1000 Christian missionaries to Japan.
why, when........?
>
> But America didn't comply, thinking it was ridiculous.
seems that why to me also.
> Just like today --> Bush did not send missionaries to Iraq after the war.
Good.......i hate evangelistic assholes. I know the Iraqis do too.
Arrogance is not a virtue. Something most evangalistic jerks ahve no
clue of.........
> Where did you think the Emperor got such a crazy idea from?
> If he so much cared for his own divine nature????
>
> So, in your opinion, who do you think the Emperor, and
> Japanese leaders for that matter, surrender themselves?
they knew more would die and the war was lost either
way...................this much is obvious, even to a child like yourself.
> Who was obeying God's voice and who surrendered to God's will?
???????????WTF you talking about Willis?
> Japan who asked for missionaries? or America who did not
> bother sending missionaries???
????????????
>
> You are stupid.
hhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm............whatever.......
>
> ugly duckling
>
>
> "A A" <A...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>>Japan was already willing to surrender when the first A-bomb was dropped.
>>It was a conditional surrender to keep their Emperor as sovereign ruler.
>>The US didn't accept that and we also wanted to show Russia that we had
>>such a powerful weapon. After the second bomb was dropped, Hirohito made
>>the decision himself to go on the Japanese news and surrender. The papers
>>were signed later.
>>
>>One of the clauses of surrender was that the Emperor would no longer be
>>descended from a God. He would just be the figurehead of the people. This
>>was the only "God" during the fall of Japan. No other God was involved,
>>Christian or otherwise. Read a book instead of rewriting history.
>>
>>
>
>
>
A A
No he didn't. There are no papers that state this and it sure isn't in
any book or any piece of documentary. You know, they do keep track of
this stuff. And Hirohito did not ask for anything AFTER surrender. He
just sat there waiting until McCarthur visited him. Which BOOK did you
get this from? Better not be some dumbass website. You think something
like this would be well known to some historian. Not some guy with no
source on the Internet.
ugly duckling
for 1000 missionaries, go and ask any famous pastors in
the U.S.
And just because something is not written in the book,
you cannot say it is not truthful. The truth present itself,
sometimes through its manifestation, and sometimes
through inner logics of Holy Spirit.
ugly duckling
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Bluewater
"ugly duckling" <uglydu...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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> It is pretty well-known that the Emperor Hirohito asked
> for 1000 missionaries, go and ask any famous pastors in
> the U.S.
>
> And just because something is not written in the book,
> you cannot say it is not truthful. The truth present itself,
> sometimes through its manifestation, and sometimes
> through inner logics of Holy Spirit.
Maybe it's Chinese propaganda to say otherwise?
Penguin 1
> It is pretty well-known that the Emperor Hirohito asked
> for 1000 missionaries, go and ask any famous pastors in
> the U.S.
>
> And just because something is not written in the book,
> you cannot say it is not truthful. The truth present itself,
> sometimes through its manifestation, and sometimes
> through inner logics of Holy Spirit.
>
> ugly duckling
they do, how can you explain of those pedophile priests and ministers?
Besides, what do you think the "Emperor" knew at the time of war? He was
just a teenager for god sake when he was put to that position,
surrounded by fascists.
Oh, by the way, your George and his poor soldiers aren't any different.
they just work for what papa-Bush's oil-pals think right, and never for
the sales copy called "freedom."
Look around yourself. Where is your freedom that your great grand
daddies gained from the Brits? Where is your civil liberties? Can you
say no to what *George* tell you to do without your ass getting busted
by his cops or soldiers?
And those poor kids dying fighting all over the world just to protect
country's business interests, told to fight for freedom. Can you believe
this?
You Americans are, from my experience looking all over the world seeing
many people, by far the most foolish people I have ever seen, for you
poor kids are never given enough information to make the proper
political judgment for anything. There are few exceptions in the places
like Harvard, but the majority isn't.
But I guess in this sense the Japanese people are similar, but unlike
Americans, at least now we have access to the information to make us
think otherwise. And for this, I thank goodness for making me born in
Japan as a Japanese.
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MatthewOutland
fully de-politicize the military.
When you consider that the meiji government was patterned after
germany(who itself was taken over by militarists) I dont think the
result should be overwhelmingly surprising.
Maybe if japs werent a bunh of apes who didnt know any better than to
ineptly mimic europeans thw world would be a happier place but
unfortunately japans brutality was not motivated by greed, lust,
power, money or vengence, but inept and awkward misfortune of blindly
mimicking europeans.
This should be contemplated for all you brutal pro-meiji white
supremacists.