What does everyone have against French society?
MatthewOutland
with contempt? I've never been to France or met any French so I don't
know whats so special here. Just curious, that's all.
John of Aix
"MatthewOutland" <matthewo...@yahoo.com> a écrit dans le message
de news: 52210046.03072...@posting.google.com...
> Politics aside, why do so many people view french society cynically
or
> with contempt?
Well aside from politics, where they are backstabbing 'cheese eating
surrender monkeys' according to those who live in trailer parks, the
other reproach that is usually made is that they are arrogant and
rude, with Parisian waiters being the worst offenders. They are
neither of these things particularly, they are just different from
anglo-saxons so the latter misinterpret their actions and words.
Take a waiter in a crowded bar. Look at him. You will see that if it
is a big bar he only deals with a section of it so calling him from
elsewhere is pointless, and he never writes down orders but keeps them
in his head and then delivers them to the right table, usually in the
order he has taken them. Goodness knows how they do this but they do
and it requires method and discipline which jumping to the click of
every customer's fingers would not allow.
But for anyone not aware of the way they work, his constant ignoring
of the waiting and calls of 'garçon' are seem to be impoliteness when
it
is usually nothing of the sort.
> I've never been to France or met any French so I don't
> know whats so special here. Just curious, that's all.
Good for you to have an open mind.
Kevin Gowen
Vichy.
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"I'm not sure which is more frightening: the horror that engulfed New
York City or the apocalyptic rhetoric emanating daily from the White
House."
- Columbia University professor Eric Foner in the London Review of
Books, on the attacks of 11 September 2001. A new study has recently
suggested that the inferno that destroyed the World Trade Center and
killed thousands of innocents was indeed more frightening than the
rhetoric of the Bush administration.
flora macdonald
> Politics aside, why do so many people view french society cynically or
> with contempt? I've never been to France or met any French so I don't
> know whats so special here. Just curious, that's all.
It happens everywhere. The Japanese have contempt for the Koreans, the
Germans for the Poles, the English for the Irish (Paddys), the
Australians for the English (Pommies). So in England the French are
"frogs". The bad habits always belong to the foreigner. Back when the
word "condom" was unmentionable in English it was a "french letter",
in France it was "un chapeau anglais".
Flora
Ken
> Politics aside, why do so many people view french society cynically or
> with contempt? I've never been to France or met any French so I don't
> know whats so special here. Just curious, that's all.
The FFL, de Gaulle, Jean Moulin, the Résistance...
Patrick EMIN
news: 52210046.03072...@posting.google.com...
> with contempt? I've never been to France or met any French so I don't
> know whats so special here. Just curious, that's all.
Well, for a start, by "many people" I guess you refer to the percentage of
"french bashing" posts, on this forum for example, just before the Irak war
and during it. You'll notice how this "many people" has become virtually "no
one" since the lies on the Bush administration have been uncovered... This
should give you an idea on how little "cynical" the french have suddenly
become since the Bush administration and the american people who supported
him have been proven "cynical" liars.
There is a difference though between the way french can be cynical and the
way the US government is. Thanks to a long tradition of human right respect
in France dating back to the "Siècle des Lumières", we almost never
pulverise someone before asking him whether he is innocent or culprit like
the US and its israeli accomplice are routinely doing.
This certainly set us aside...of the US, and confort us as being part of the
civilized world.
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without ever having known civilisation". (Oscar Wilde)
Kevin Gowen
> There is a difference though between the way french can be cynical
> and the way the US government is. Thanks to a long tradition of human
> right respect in France dating back to the "Si鐵le des Lumi鑽es",
I am pretty sure Maximilien Robespierre was around during the siecle des
lumieres. How can I say "La Terreur" in English?
> we
> almost never
> pulverise someone before asking him whether he is innocent or culprit
> like the US and its israeli accomplice are routinely doing.
Indeed. Just ask some French Jews.
Patrick EMIN
bg18q1$jjaig$1...@ID-105084.news.uni-berlin.de...
> I am pretty sure Maximilien Robespierre was around during the siecle des
> lumieres. How can I say "La Terreur" in English?
"Liberating Irak"? (5 innocent irakis killed today for example)
> > we
> > almost never
> > pulverise someone before asking him whether he is innocent or culprit
> > like the US and its israeli accomplice are routinely doing.
>
> Indeed. Just ask some French Jews.
The french jews who have been killed during the second world war have been
killed by nazis as anybody knows. This is not the case for the ten of
thousands japanese civilians slauthered by the US army in Hiroshima and
Nagazaki.
Ken
> Patrick EMIN wrote:
>
>>There is a difference though between the way french can be cynical
>>and the way the US government is. Thanks to a long tradition of human
>
> I am pretty sure Maximilien Robespierre was around during the siecle
> des lumieres. How can I say "La Terreur" in English?
The English term describing the hijacking of an immature political
system by extremist individuals pushing a paranoid agenda is
"McCarthyism."
Brett Robson
can I insert the word "personal"?
The English term describing the hijacking of an immature political
system by extremist individuals pushing a personal paranoid agenda is
"McCarthyism."
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Anaconda
> MatthewOutland wrote:
>> Politics aside, why do so many people view french society cynically or
>> with contempt? I've never been to France or met any French so I don't
>> know whats so special here. Just curious, that's all.
>
> Vichy.
Curious, it's a charming city.
--
Anaconda
Silvio Franke
flora macdonald schrieb:
To be honest here in Germany we do not only have contemt for Poles, but
for French, too. Example: "Froschfresser" etc. etc.
...and some people here allways want to do a little training session in
France, before marching east, because it is allways good for the morale.
Silvio
-------------------------------------------------
Sometimes I feel the strong urge to march east...
Silvio Franke
Patrick EMIN schrieb:
>
> "Kevin Gowen" <kgowen...@myfastmail.com> a ecrit dans le message de news:
> bg18q1$jjaig$1...@ID-105084.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > I am pretty sure Maximilien Robespierre was around during the siecle des
> > lumieres. How can I say "La Terreur" in English?
>
> "Liberating Irak"? (5 innocent irakis killed today for example)
>
> > > we
> > > almost never
> > > pulverise someone before asking him whether he is innocent or culprit
> > > like the US and its israeli accomplice are routinely doing.
> >
> > Indeed. Just ask some French Jews.
>
> The french jews who have been killed during the second world war have been
> killed by nazis as anybody knows.
This is correct.
But who helped the Nazis to bring the French Jews to the concentration
camps? A lot of French.
And the number of French, who served in the SS is not that small.
John of Aix
"Silvio Franke" <silvio...@unibw-muenchen.de> a ecrit dans le
message de news: 3F24E05C...@unibw-muenchen.de...
> And the number of French, who served in the SS is not that small.
If zero is not small you are right.
oN...@cts.com
> matthewo...@yahoo.com (MatthewOutland) wrote in message news:<52210046.03072...@posting.google.com>...
>> Politics aside, why do so many people view french society cynically or
>> with contempt? I've never been to France or met any French so I don't
>> know whats so special here. Just curious, that's all.
> It happens everywhere. The Japanese have contempt for the Koreans, the
> Germans for the Poles, the English for the Irish (Paddys), the
Thanks for the PC crap, flora, but actually, it is the Irish
('Paddy' is a racist term of abuse, btw) who are steeped in
loathing and contempt for the British. Irish people live
quite comfortably in the UK, but British people are not allowed
to live in Northern Ireland ("Brits out"). Irishmen vent their
hatred of the British in s.c.b. on a regular basis. I am thinking
of Grieg Carlin, Diarmid Lorgan, ad hoc genus. Check the Google
database.
> Australians for the English (Pommies). So in England the French are
> "frogs". The bad habits always belong to the foreigner. Back when the
> word "condom" was unmentionable in English it was a "french letter",
> in France it was "un chapeau anglais".
> Flora
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"John of Aix" <j.murph...@libertysurf.fr> wrote in message
> "Silvio Franke" <silvio...@unibw-muenchen.de> a ecrit dans le
> > And the number of French, who served in the SS is not that small.
>
> If zero is not small you are right.
He is talking about the Malgre-Nous.
"Served" is an euphemism for "got fucked by". That's like saying "the
Korean comfort women served the Japanese army." That's more polite to say
"served".
Silvio is a German casque a pointe (a medieval style Prussian officer) and
the casques a pointe are so polite. My grand-parents had them in the ass
during 48 + 6 years, and every morning, they heard them say "Ponchourrrr" or
"Guten Tag." .
CC
oN...@cts.com
(snip)
>> Indeed. Just ask some French Jews.
> The french jews who have been killed during the second world war have been
> killed by nazis as anybody knows.
Well, apparently the Jews don't know this:
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Holocaust/Drancy.html
"The camp of Drancy was a transit camp located not far from Paris. Like
many other camps in France, it was created by the government of Philippe
Ptain and was under the control of the French police. In 1941, the first
raids against Jews was ordered by the Nazis and conducted by the French
police. The victims of these raids were transferred to Drancy. There is
much evidence about the brutality of the French guards in Drancy."
> This is not the case for the ten of
> thousands japanese civilians slauthered by the US army in Hiroshima and
> Nagazaki.
Nor the hundreds of thousands of civilians sluaghtered by
the Japanese Imperial Army in China and other parts of Asia.
oN...@cts.com
Kevin Gowen
> "Kevin Gowen" <kgowen...@myfastmail.com> a ecrit dans le message
> de news: bg18q1$jjaig$1...@ID-105084.news.uni-berlin.de...
>> I am pretty sure Maximilien Robespierre was around during the siecle
>> des lumieres. How can I say "La Terreur" in English?
>
> "Liberating Irak"? (5 innocent irakis killed today for example)
No, I don't think so. Sorry about your oil contracts. You didn't do much
weeping for innocent Iraqis a few months ago when you were doing your
damnest to keep that regime in power.
Tell me some more about the human rights of the siecle des lumieres. Let's
not forgot about that great democrat who followed it, Napoleon.
>>> we
>>> almost never
>>> pulverise someone before asking him whether he is innocent or
>>> culprit like the US and its israeli accomplice are routinely doing.
>>
>> Indeed. Just ask some French Jews.
>
> The french jews who have been killed during the second world war have
> been killed by nazis as anybody knows.
Who said anything about WWII? I am talking about today. How long has it been
since you burned a synagogue to the ground?
> This is not the case for the
> ten of thousands japanese civilians slauthered by the US army in
> Hiroshima and Nagazaki.
Or the millions who might not have died has a largely undefeated French
military rolled over to Hitler.
I don't suppose you are from Vichy?
Kevin Gowen
> "Kevin Gowen" avait 駭onc・:
>
>> MatthewOutland wrote:
>>> Politics aside, why do so many people view french society cynically
>>> or with contempt? I've never been to France or met any French so I
>>> don't know whats so special here. Just curious, that's all.
>>
>> Vichy.
>
> Curious, it's a charming city.
Yes, I hear the Germans just love it.
Anaconda
>>> Vichy.
>>
>> Curious, it's a charming city.
>
> Yes, I hear the Germans just love it.
Many tourists are visiting this town.
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Anaconda
Kevin Gowen
Mike, will you do the honors?
Anaconda
>> Many tourists are visiting this town.
>
> Mike, will you do the honors?
I'm not a professionnal of tourism, but i guess it's the practice with
customers
--
Anaconda
flora macdonald
I think the lowest level of abuse for foreigners comes from the
English Tabloid papers, especially if England is playing France or
Germany with Balls.
I can never understand the fascination people have with adult males
(and latterly females), clad only in vests and knickers, chasing
balls, in between kicking each other in the head.
Flora
flora macdonald
> In soc.culture.british flora macdonald <msfl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > matthewo...@yahoo.com (MatthewOutland) wrote in message news:<52210046.03072...@posting.google.com>...
> >> Politics aside, why do so many people view french society cynically or
> >> with contempt? I've never been to France or met any French so I don't
> >> know whats so special here. Just curious, that's all.
>
>
> > It happens everywhere. The Japanese have contempt for the Koreans, the
> > Germans for the Poles, the English for the Irish (Paddys), the
>
> Thanks for the PC crap, flora, but actually, it is the Irish
> ('Paddy' is a racist term of abuse, btw) who are steeped in
> loathing and contempt for the British. Irish people live
> quite comfortably in the UK, but British people are not allowed
> to live in Northern Ireland ("Brits out"). Irishmen vent their
> hatred of the British in s.c.b. on a regular basis. I am thinking
> of Grieg Carlin, Diarmid Lorgan, ad hoc genus. Check the Google
> database.
>
> > Australians for the English (Pommies). So in England the French are
> > "frogs". The bad habits always belong to the foreigner. Back when the
> > word "condom" was unmentionable in English it was a "french letter",
> > in France it was "un chapeau anglais".
>
> > Flora
Hang on. I may live in Dublin, but I have Scottish parents, was born
in London and regard myself as British.
Most English people I know, do not regard Ulster Loyalists as British.
Your sectarian hatred has spread to Scotland with all the
Celtic/Rangers codology.
Who cares about the Battle of the Boyne?. King Bully was blessed by
the Pope and many of his soldiers were Catholics.
Flora
belfast biker
>Irishmen vent their
>hatred of the British in s.c.b. on a regular basis. I am thinking
>of Grieg Carlin, Diarmid Lorgan, ad hoc genus. Check the Google
>database.
The likes of Grieg at all are an excellent reason for staying out of
said newsgruppo. I've had many my turn of disagreements with them
before conceding defeat - Was it confucious who said "Arguing on the
Internet is like running in the Special Olympics - even if you win,
you're still a retard."?
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oN...@cts.com
> On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 14:38:22 GMT, oN...@cts.com wrote:
>>Irishmen vent their
>>hatred of the British in s.c.b. on a regular basis. I am thinking
>>of Grieg Carlin, Diarmid Lorgan, ad hoc genus. Check the Google
>>database.
> The likes of Grieg at all are an excellent reason for staying out of
> said newsgruppo.
But s.c.b. is my online home. Grieg and his ilk have got lots of
Irish ngs to play in, and the prison hierarchy. Instead, Grieg and
his Waco friends keep slabbering about concentration camps on our
newsgroup. There's no relief, no forgiveness: they want nothing less
than our extermination through Usenet-bigotry.
> I've had many my turn of disagreements with them
> before conceding defeat - Was it confucious who said "Arguing on the
> Internet is like running in the Special Olympics - even if you win,
> you're still a retard."?
I see your point.
John of Aix
<oN...@cts.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
qNaVa.3505$jD5.3...@dca1-nnrp1.news.algx.net...
> In soc.culture.british John of Aix <j.murph...@libertysurf.fr>
wrote:
>
> > "Silvio Franke" <silvio...@unibw-muenchen.de> a ecrit dans le
> > message de news: 3F24E05C...@unibw-muenchen.de...
>
> >> And the number of French, who served in the SS is not that small.
>
> > If zero is not small you are right.
>
> http://www.merriam-press.com/siegrune/sr_004.htm
OK, so how many (no I'm not going to buy the book)?
John of Aix
<oN...@cts.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
qIaVa.3504$jD5.3...@dca1-nnrp1.news.algx.net...
> In soc.culture.british Patrick EMIN <mye...@club-internet.fr> wrote
> (snip)
> >> Indeed. Just ask some French Jews.
>
> > The french jews who have been killed during the second world war
have been
> > killed by nazis as anybody knows.
>
> Well, apparently the Jews don't know this:
That's their problem.
John of Aix
> In soc.culture.british flora macdonald <msfl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > matthewo...@yahoo.com (MatthewOutland) wrote in message
news:<52210046.03072...@posting.google.com>...
> >> Politics aside, why do so many people view french society
cynically or
> >> with contempt? I've never been to France or met any French so I
don't
> >> know whats so special here. Just curious, that's all.
>
>
> > It happens everywhere. The Japanese have contempt for the Koreans,
the
> > Germans for the Poles, the English for the Irish (Paddys), the
>
> Thanks for the PC crap, flora, but actually, it is the Irish
> ('Paddy' is a racist term of abuse, btw)
Dear oh dear my Uncle Patrick, Paddy, must have suffered so.
> who are steeped in
> loathing and contempt for the British. Irish people live
> quite comfortably in the UK, but British people are not allowed
> to live in Northern Ireland ("Brits out").
British people are not allowed to live in Northern Ireland, strange,
an
awful lot do.
> Irishmen vent their
> hatred of the British in s.c.b. on a regular basis. I am thinking
> of Grieg Carlin, Diarmid Lorgan, ad hoc genus. Check the Google
> database.
And? There are several milllion people in Ireland not to mention the
Irish Diaspora.
> > Australians for the English (Pommies). So in England the French
are
> > "frogs". The bad habits always belong to the foreigner. Back when
the
> > word "condom" was unmentionable in English it was a "french
letter",
> > in France it was "un chapeau anglais".
(I know it wasn't you who said it) It's 'une capote anglaise'
Silvio Franke
flora macdonald schrieb:
> > > > Politics aside, why do so many people view french society cynically or
> > > > with contempt? I've never been to France or met any French so I don't
> > > > know whats so special here. Just curious, that's all.
> > >
> > > It happens everywhere. The Japanese have contempt for the Koreans, the
> > > Germans for the Poles, the English for the Irish (Paddys), the
> > > Australians for the English (Pommies). So in England the French are
> > > "frogs". The bad habits always belong to the foreigner. Back when the
> > > word "condom" was unmentionable in English it was a "french letter",
> > > in France it was "un chapeau anglais".
> >
> > To be honest here in Germany we do not only have contemt for Poles, but
> > for French, too. Example: "Froschfresser" etc. etc.
> > ...and some people here allways want to do a little training session in
> > France, before marching east, because it is allways good for the morale.
> >
> > Silvio
> > -------------------------------------------------
> > Sometimes I feel the strong urge to march east...
>
> I think the lowest level of abuse for foreigners comes from the
> English Tabloid papers, especially if England is playing France or
> Germany with Balls.
This seems to be some kind of tradition...
> I can never understand the fascination people have with adult males
> (and latterly females), clad only in vests and knickers, chasing
> balls, in between kicking each other in the head.
You don't need to understand it. Simply accept it. As long as this is
their free will to do so and as long as they don't hurt anyone it's
ok. I can't understand the fascination of some other sports, too.
But if they like it...
Silvio Franke
cc cc schrieb:
Sorry, I'm a modern style Bavarian officer. I'm from Bavaria and
right now I'm serving in Munich. Just for your information: Bavaria is
in the south of Germany and it is not Prussia. Well, to be honest,
my parents are from Thuringia, but Thuringia is not Prussia, too.
Silvio
-------------------------------------------------
Sometimes I feel the strong urge to march east...
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flora macdonald
About 2 years ago, the British Embassy in Dublin reported that there
are ca a half-million British passport- holders in the Republic of
Ireland. I am one of them. The total population of the State is about
3.5 million.
Apologies for my bad French
Flora
Silvio Franke
John of Aix schrieb:
No, the number is higher. It ranges from 8000 to 20000 French
volunteers, who served in the Waffen-SS, depending on the Author.
Some examples:
Steiner, Felix: Die Freiwilligen der Waffen-SS. Rosenheim, 1992.
7.Auflage, page 373: 20000 French volunteers
Michel, Claude: De Marseille a Novosibirsk. German version.
Rosenheim, 1994. page 283: 12000 French volunteers
Munoz Antonio J: Forgotten legions: Obscure combat formations of the
Waffen-SS.
http://www.skalman.nu/third-reich/ss-foreign-stat.htm
8000 French volunteers
At least it were enough to form the 33. Waffen-Grenadier-Division of
the SS "Charlemagne", French Nr.1
cc cc
"Silvio Franke" <silvio...@unibw-muenchen.de> wrote in message
> Sorry, I'm a modern style Bavarian officer.
In the Bavarian army ? I hope you're serving the Prince of the Carnival.
> I'm from Bavaria and
> right now I'm serving in Munich. Just for your information: Bavaria is
> in the south of Germany and it is not Prussia. Well, to be honest,
> my parents are from Thuringia, but Thuringia is not Prussia, too.
Medieval Prussia is nowhere on the map. You can't be born there, you reach
it by mental regression.
If you were that modern, you'd have taken off your helmet before putting
your boots in that thread. My relatives had no "urge" to march to their
death on the East front.
CC
Kevin Gowen
Yes, they just had the "urge" to fellate the invading Nazis. Sprechen sie
Dick?
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John of Aix
"flora macdonald" <msfl...@yahoo.com> a écrit dans le message de
news: b87d8d25.03072...@posting.google.com...
> About 2 years ago, the British Embassy in Dublin reported that there
> are ca a half-million British passport- holders in the Republic of
> Ireland. I am one of them. The total population of the State is
about
> 3.5 million.
Well it was question of Northern Ireland but the fact is interesting
and I'm glad to find it. I'm a bit surprised that they let the Brits
in after all they did do them but hey, the itish don't hold grudges
> Apologies for my bad French
No need. I doubt if such terms are taught at school.
Is you name really Flora MacDonald? A great Scots name
Pieter Wenk
<kgowen...@myfastmail.com> wrote:
>MatthewOutland wrote:
>> Politics aside, why do so many people view french society cynically or
>> with contempt? I've never been to France or met any French so I don't
>> know whats so special here. Just curious, that's all.
>
>Vichy.
Mineral water ?
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Pieter Wenk
<kgowen...@myfastmail.com> wrote:
>Anaconda wrote:
>> "Kevin Gowen" avait ?onc?:
>>
>>> MatthewOutland wrote:
>>>> Politics aside, why do so many people view french society cynically
>>>> or with contempt? I've never been to France or met any French so I
>>>> don't know whats so special here. Just curious, that's all.
>>>
>>> Vichy.
>>
>> Curious, it's a charming city.
>
>Yes, I hear the Germans just love it.
Why only Germans ? Vichy is indeed well known for thermal treatments.
Kevin Gowen
> On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 10:56:20 -0400, "Kevin Gowen"
> <kgowen...@myfastmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Anaconda wrote:
>>> "Kevin Gowen" avait ?onc?:
>>>
>>>> MatthewOutland wrote:
>>>>> Politics aside, why do so many people view french society
>>>>> cynically or with contempt? I've never been to France or met any
>>>>> French so I don't know whats so special here. Just curious,
>>>>> that's all.
>>>>
>>>> Vichy.
>>>
>>> Curious, it's a charming city.
>>
>> Yes, I hear the Germans just love it.
>
> Why only Germans ? Vichy is indeed well known for thermal treatments.
I hear the flowing waters make a whooshing sound.
oN...@cts.com
> <oN...@cts.com> a ecrit dans le message de news:
>> In soc.culture.british flora macdonald <msfl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > matthewo...@yahoo.com (MatthewOutland) wrote in message
>> >> Politics aside, why do so many people view french society
>> >> cynically or
>> >> with contempt? I've never been to France or met any French so I
>> >> don't
>> >> know whats so special here. Just curious, that's all.
>>
>>
>> > It happens everywhere. The Japanese have contempt for the Koreans,
>> > the
>> > Germans for the Poles, the English for the Irish (Paddys), the
>>
>> Thanks for the PC crap, flora, but actually, it is the Irish
>> ('Paddy' is a racist term of abuse, btw)
> Dear oh dear my Uncle Patrick, Paddy, must have suffered so.
Only if he accepted you were related :-)
>> who are steeped in
>> loathing and contempt for the British. Irish people live
>> quite comfortably in the UK, but British people are not allowed
>> to live in Northern Ireland ("Brits out").
> British people are not allowed to live in Northern Ireland, strange,
> an
> awful lot do.
Despite the wishes of the Irish Republicants.
>> Irishmen vent their
>> hatred of the British in s.c.b. on a regular basis. I am thinking
>> of Grieg Carlin, Diarmid Lorgan, ad hoc genus. Check the Google
>> database.
> And? There are several milllion people in Ireland not to mention the
> Irish Diaspora.
and they all hate the Brits.
>> > Australians for the English (Pommies). So in England the French
>> > are
>> > "frogs". The bad habits always belong to the foreigner. Back when
>> > the
>> > word "condom" was unmentionable in English it was a "french
>> > letter",
>> > in France it was "un chapeau anglais".
Q. Why does General de Gaulle have Greek letters on his hat?
A. Because he'd look stupid with French letters on his hat.
> (I know it wasn't you who said it) It's 'une capote anglaise'
Regards,
oN...@cts.com
> About 2 years ago, the British Embassy in Dublin reported that there
> are ca a half-million British passport- holders in the Republic of
> Ireland. I am one of them. The total population of the State is about
> 3.5 million.
Yes, I remember Grieg or one of the other Republicants whingeing about it.
> Apologies for my bad French
Well, don't blame yourself: living in the RoI you can hardly be
familiar with the thing itself, now can you?
> Flora
oN...@cts.com
>> Thanks for the PC crap, flora, but actually, it is the Irish
>> ('Paddy' is a racist term of abuse, btw) who are steeped in
>> loathing and contempt for the British. Irish people live
>> quite comfortably in the UK, but British people are not allowed
>> to live in Northern Ireland ("Brits out"). Irishmen vent their
>> hatred of the British in s.c.b. on a regular basis. I am thinking
>> of Grieg Carlin, Diarmid Lorgan, ad hoc genus. Check the Google
>> database.
>>
>> > Australians for the English (Pommies). So in England the French are
>> > "frogs". The bad habits always belong to the foreigner. Back when the
>> > word "condom" was unmentionable in English it was a "french letter",
>> > in France it was "un chapeau anglais".
>>
>> > Flora
> Hang on. I may live in Dublin,
Tragic. Still, you could live in Manchester.
> but I have Scottish parents,
My condolences.
> was born in London and regard myself as British.
Och, d'ye wear the London tartan, hen?
> Most English people I know, do not regard Ulster Loyalists as British.
Neither did I, but Greig ad hoc genus have repeatedly explained that
as a Brit I am responsible for everything they do and have done. Not
just Grieg; other Irish Republicant poops. That's why I support the
Ulster Loyalists.
> Your sectarian hatred has spread to Scotland with all the
> Celtic/Rangers codology.
My sectarian hatred? I have a Catholic wife, woman. My children are
Catholics, or "Taigs" as Greig would call them. I go to Cafflick
Church sometimes and bellow putrid saccharine hymns in a nasal baritone.
OTOH, Protestants, as you well know, have been ethnically cleansed from
RoI and Sinn Feign/PIRA want to do the same to NI.
> Who cares about the Battle of the Boyne?.
The Protestants who survived. Our kinsman.
> King Bully was blessed by
> the Pope and many of his soldiers were Catholics.
Are these two facts inconsistent?
Brett Robson
Of course not, you can't get a decent Brie and Chadonnay in the Ukraine.
---
"If our [US] soldiers must be involved in a lengthy occupation, at least it's in
a place without any dangerous weapons of mass destruction lying around."
- Martin Stearns
Silvio Franke
cc cc schrieb:
>
> "Silvio Franke" <silvio...@unibw-muenchen.de> wrote in message
>
> > Sorry, I'm a modern style Bavarian officer.
>
> In the Bavarian army ? I hope you're serving the Prince of the Carnival.
No, the German army, you now, Bundeswehr. Well, perhaps our cancelor
somtimes behaves like a Prince of te carnival, but nevertheless we're
serving the German people.
> > I'm from Bavaria and
> > right now I'm serving in Munich. Just for your information: Bavaria is
> > in the south of Germany and it is not Prussia. Well, to be honest,
> > my parents are from Thuringia, but Thuringia is not Prussia, too.
>
> Medieval Prussia is nowhere on the map. You can't be born there, you reach
> it by mental regression.
> If you were that modern, you'd have taken off your helmet before putting
> your boots in that thread. My relatives had no "urge" to march to their
> death on the East front.
So what are, in your eyes, the main characteritics of Prussia or
Prussian
officers? It seems, that your view of them is a little bit twisted.
Sorry, most times I don't wear a helmet. At the Federal Armed Forces
University we don't need them. And in my combat unit we're simply
closing the hatches...
And nobody talked about your relatives.
John of Aix
<oN...@cts.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
P6CVa.3716$jD5.4...@dca1-nnrp1.news.algx.net...
> > Dear oh dear my Uncle Patrick, Paddy, must have suffered so.
>
> Only if he accepted you were related :-)
No way of telling in our family, they didn't have DNA tests in those
days ;-)
Ernest
"Figaro" <fig...@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
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> On 25 Jul 2003 22:57:00 -0700, matthewo...@yahoo.com
> (MatthewOutland) wrote:
>
> >Politics aside, why do so many people view french society cynically or
> >with contempt? I've never been to France or met any French so I don't
> >know whats so special here. Just curious, that's all.
>
> That's one of the things I admire about them, that cynicism that makes
> them so intolerant of pomposity, stupidity, and unquestioned
> authority. No one can prick, deflate, and ridicule like the French and
> if we had that talent we'd be far better off than we are today.
>
> As for contempt, I would say-- intellectually speaking-- it's more
> envy than contempt. Bon jour.
Spoken like a true french person.
Patrick EMIN
news: This is correct.
> But who helped the Nazis to bring the French Jews to the concentration
> camps? A lot of French.
> And the number of French, who served in the SS is not that small.
It is very small and made up of people living in the ancient german part of
France, I mean the border region in Alsace . These people, as nowadays,
speak german and were perfect recruits for the german army.
I can understand why some half french/germans went into the german army in a
country under occupation but I fail to see why the US government recruited
nazis such as Werner Von Braun after the war and invited him in the US
knowing this fine man was working at the Penemunde rocket base where workers
were european slaves (POWs), instead of bringing him to the Nurembreg trial.
flora macdonald
Yes, you may see on another thread that we come from Dal Riada in Co
Antrim,
(MacDounhaill) in medieval times when Ireland was called Scotia. We
Scots from Co Antrim invaded Pictish Caledonia and changed its name to
Scotland.
Flora
flora macdonald
Not really, it just shows what a mess Ireland is in, North and South.
The only Grieg I know is the Norwegian Cmposer. Interestingly, his
grandfather or his great grandfather was a Scot called Greg.
Flora
Patrick EMIN
qIaVa.3504$jD5.3...@dca1-nnrp1.news.algx.net...
> > The french jews who have been killed during the second world war have
been
> > killed by nazis as anybody knows.
>
> Well, apparently the Jews don't know this:
>
>
> "The camp of Drancy was a transit camp located not far from Paris. Like
> many other camps in France, it was created by the government of Philippe
> Ptain and was under the control of the French police. In 1941, the first
> raids against Jews was ordered by the Nazis and conducted by the French
> police. The victims of these raids were transferred to Drancy. There is
> much evidence about the brutality of the French guards in Drancy."
The camp was not created by the french government but by the german
occupation forces. May I remind you what was the german occupation and what
it meant, to someone who had never to endure such a thing and has no problem
to invade another country like Irak?
The jews, like in any other inviting countries at the time, never wanted to
assimilate to the population. It is still the case today: they are building
a wall to enclose themselves in a prison because of their pathological
inability to make peace with their neighbours, that they invaded in 1948. It
is not surprising that in all european countries, and not only in France,
they have been rejected by the population and lead to understand that when
you live in country that's not yours, you have to behave like guests and not
conquerors. They failed to get that simple truth in the Palestine
territories and paid the price, that is a good thing. Now, for your
information, a portion of the jews community in France is turning into a
racist and extremist group, this is very well documented in the lasy MRAP
report (http://www.mrap.asso.fr/IMG/pdf/doc-91.pdf), the MRAP is an
association fighting against racism in France. Contrary to a very practical
but completely wrong belief, we have a big problem with the jews in France:
they are the most active and disgusting racist group we have ever known.
This of course does not mean they should be sent to concentration camps,
this was the nazi theory, not the french one. But clearly they are not
welcome in France because they don't show traditional human right respect
France has been built on.
Now, if you have a doubt about who is the criminal nation and who is the
victim in the middle east, compare the number of palestine resistants
murdered by the jewish state and the number of jewish invadors killed in
repraisal, you'll understand immediatly from what side the terror comes.
There are no terrorists in Palestine, there are only terrorized people. I
failed to see how a jewish soldier protected in his tank crushing palestines
homes can be terrorized by stone throwing. I can understand why a Palestine
resistant holding a stone would be terrorized in front of a tank. I consider
as a tragedy the genocide of jews during the second world war, but seeing
them as only victims is a bit of a short explanation. They certainly
contributed to their fate, unfortunately, these people never learned what
tolerance mean, and they are reproducing in the middle east the very same
things they have been experiencing during the second world war. Shame on
them.
> > This is not the case for the ten of
> > thousands japanese civilians slauthered by the US army in Hiroshima and
> > Nagazaki.
>
> Nor the hundreds of thousands of civilians sluaghtered by
> the Japanese Imperial Army in China and other parts of Asia.
That the japanese army had perpetreted war crime is not a sufficient reason
for the US army to perpetrate other war crimes, on my opinion.
Patrick EMIN
> > > And the number of French, who served in the SS is not that small.
> >
> > If zero is not small you are right.
>
> No, the number is higher. It ranges from 8000 to 20000 French
> volunteers, who served in the Waffen-SS, depending on the Author.
Looking at theses figures, if they are right, it seems French volonteers are
among the smallest numbers, compared to the overall french population. But
may I remind you that the term "volonteer" is meaningless when you are
politely asked to be a volonteer by a german officer pointing its gun at
you... ;)
John of Aix
I always thought that 'Mac/Mc' was a purely Scots prefix, O' in
Ireland.
Ernest
>
>
> John of Aix schrieb:
> >
> > "Silvio Franke" <silvio...@unibw-muenchen.de> a ecrit dans le
> > message de news: 3F24E05C...@unibw-muenchen.de...
> >
> > > And the number of French, who served in the SS is not that small.
> >
> > If zero is not small you are right.
>
> No, the number is higher. It ranges from 8000 to 20000 French
> volunteers, who served in the Waffen-SS, depending on the Author.
>
> Some examples:
Don't forget De Gaulle.
flora macdonald
Yes, but as I already explained, the Scots came from Ireland which was
called Scotia in medieval times. They displaced the Picts from
Caledonia (Roman Name) and it was eventually renamed Scotland.
Flora
Silvio Franke
Patrick EMIN schrieb:
The figures are correct.
Of course some other nations had a lot of more soldiers in the Wafen-SS,
but the number of the French Waffen-SS-men is not that small, that it
can
be ignored. And most of them were real volunteers. A lot of other French
were forced to work for the Germans, yes, but the Waffen-SS-men were
mostly there, because of their free will.
Silvio Franke
Patrick EMIN schrieb:
A whole Waffen-SS-Division is not small. And not all the volunteers came
from border-regions of France. For example the commander of the
"Sturmbataillon" of te SS-Division "Carlemagne", French Nr.1, grew up
in Lyon, studied in Paris and served in te French Army, before going to
the Waffen-SS. He received the "Ritterkreuz", too.
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"Silvio Franke" <silvio...@unibw-muenchen.de> wrote in message
> No, the German army, you now, Bundeswehr.
I know. I have no problem with what you do.
I was in a bad mood the other day, the weather gets on my nerves. Sorry.
> So what are, in your eyes, the main characteritics of Prussia or
> Prussian officers?
Guys of the warrior caste that were too close from the political power that
transformed their country into a war machine. I'm sure you're not like that
in real life. But sometimes you play Such a character for fun. That was not
your intention, but I had the impression that we where heading to a new
thread of divagations about conquests etc. That can be funny in certain
contexts, but here that made me nervous.
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"Ernest" <leuco...@seanet.NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
> > No, the number is higher. It ranges from 8000 to 20000 French
> > volunteers, who served in the Waffen-SS, depending on the Author.
French sources say have found 7000 of French origine that participated in
the Charlemagne group (and even among them,there are different situations).
You can call these ones volunteers.
When a country is colonised, there is always a number of ambitious
mercenaries that join the occupant army. I've never heard anything about
Indians in the British Army, etc.
In addition, in my personal bastardometer, even if they have a good score,
the charlemagne-boys rate less than the common collabo that acted against
their compatriots for personal interest.
The other French that served in Waffen-SS, and other parts of German army
(except Charlemagne) are called "Malgre-Nous" from Alsace and Lorraine (and
Belgium and Luxembourg). They were considered as Germans as soon as the 2
regions were occupied.
Probably 0,5 % were happy of their lot (I trust Kevin to find me the names
and interviews of each of them), all the others did it because they had no
choice and failed to desert.
(For the French, 40 000 deserted, 130 000 were sent to the fight in Eastern
Europe).
My grand-fathers managed to run away before receiving their invitation to
join the German army, they started running away from Lorraine in 1938.
The situation of the Malgre-Nous is very complex. Some of them became
completely nuts (you'd loose your common sense for less) and extraordinarily
violent. The Germans used them for spectacular sadistic operations like the
slaughter of Oradour.
So 7000 volunteers. Well, that's probably in the same order of importance
than the Americans that joined North-Koreans, than the Germans involved in
Red Army, etc.
> > Some examples:
>
> Don't forget De Gaulle.
De Gaulle ? No the SS didn't want him.
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"Patrick EMIN" <mye...@club-internet.fr> wrote in message
> The jews, like in any other inviting countries at the time, never wanted
>to
> assimilate to the population.
C'est quoi cette connerie ?
>It is still the case today:
Tu relis les debilites que tu ecris parfois ? 90% des Francais de religion
israelite ou d'origine juive sont parfaitement assimiles.
C'est enorme, vu le % d'immigres relativement recents. Ils s'adaptent
vite.
En 1940, c'etait a peine different. Si un homme comme Leon Blum n'etait pas
assimile, je me demande qui l'etait. En plus, il y avait des dizaines de
milliers de Juifs refugies de la zone allemande qui n'ont pas eu le temps
materiel de s'assimiler avant qu'on les renvoie a l'expediteur.
>they are building
> a wall to enclose themselves in a prison because of their pathological
> inability to make peace with their neighbours, that they invaded in 1948.
En France, en 48 ? Tes voisins juifs ont envahi ta maison ?
> It
> is not surprising that in all european countries, and not only in France,
> they have been rejected by the population and lead to understand that when
> you live in country that's not yours, you have to behave like guests and
>not
> conquerors.
Ben voyons.
Dis donc, tu sais quand ils sont arrives en France les Juifs ?
Evidemment, c'est variable selon les regions. Mais en gros, c'est 1000 ans
avant les chretiens.
Toi c'est quand ? T'as pas un nom si francais que ca...si on joue a ce
jeu-la, on va bientot trouve que c'est toi l'invite et les Juifs les maitres
de maison.
Jusqu'a une epoque recente, dans les royaumes chretiens d'Europe, les Juifs
etaient forces de rester entre eux, vu que beaucoup de professions leur
etaient interdites et
qu'on leur refusait le titre de citoyen (ou sujet) du pays.
>Now, for your
> information, a portion of the jews community in France is turning into a
> racist and extremist group,
Et alors ? Et la portion d'extremistes chretiens ? celle d'extremistes sans
religions ? celle d'extremistes musulmans ? celle d'extremistes zoophiles ?
Brigitte Bardot est une extremiste chtarbee, alors il faut rejeter tous les
acteurs ?
> Contrary to a very practical
> but completely wrong belief, we have a big problem with the jews in
>France:
> they are the most active and disgusting racist group we have ever known.
On a surtout un probleme avec les gens comme toi. Rien de nouveau sous le
soleil.
> This of course does not mean they should be sent to concentration camps,
> this was the nazi theory, not the french one.
C'est pas une theorie, ca s'est fait. Des Francais bon teint l'ont fait.
>But clearly they are not
> welcome in France because they don't show traditional human right respect
> France has been built on.
Ben, ca, c'est fort de cafe ! T'es proprietaire de la France a quel titre au
juste ?
Faudrait te faire soigner.
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Silvio Franke
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>
> "Silvio Franke" <silvio...@unibw-muenchen.de> wrote in message
>
> > No, the German army, you now, Bundeswehr.
>
> I know. I have no problem with what you do.
> I was in a bad mood the other day, the weather gets on my nerves. Sorry.
Shit happens, sometimes twice a day! Right now the weather gets on my
nerves, too. A few minutes ago I managed to finish and deliver my
degree thesis dry to my Prof...and on my way back it started pissing
like hell. When I think, that my car has to be repaired and I have to
walk home then...f*&@
> > So what are, in your eyes, the main characteritics of Prussia or
> > Prussian officers?
>
> Guys of the warrior caste that were too close from the political power that
> transformed their country into a war machine. I'm sure you're not like that
> in real life. But sometimes you play Such a character for fun. That was not
> your intention, but I had the impression that we where heading to a new
> thread of divagations about conquests etc. That can be funny in certain
> contexts, but here that made me nervous.
The Prussian officers were not that different from other officers.
The main differences were their effectiveness and the level how the
Prussian society was influenced by them. 1870 and 1914 the Soldiers
and societies of all involved countries were enthusiastic about
the wars, there was no difference...
Normally I consider it as possible, that German officers can
make fun, jokes, sometimes about themselves, sometimes about
others, without that anybody needs to get nervous.
Here right now nobody seriously thinks about invading any
country. We don't have the money... ;-)
Silvio Franke
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>
> "Ernest" <leuco...@seanet.NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
>
> > > No, the number is higher. It ranges from 8000 to 20000 French
> > > volunteers, who served in the Waffen-SS, depending on the Author.
>
> French sources say have found 7000 of French origine that participated in
> the Charlemagne group (and even among them,there are different situations).
> You can call these ones volunteers.
> When a country is colonised, there is always a number of ambitious
> mercenaries that join the occupant army. I've never heard anything about
> Indians in the British Army, etc.
> In addition, in my personal bastardometer, even if they have a good score,
> the charlemagne-boys rate less than the common collabo that acted against
> their compatriots for personal interest.
>
> The other French that served in Waffen-SS, and other parts of German army
> (except Charlemagne) are called "Malgre-Nous" from Alsace and Lorraine (and
> Belgium and Luxembourg). They were considered as Germans as soon as the 2
> regions were occupied.
> Probably 0,5 % were happy of their lot (I trust Kevin to find me the names
> and interviews of each of them), all the others did it because they had no
> choice and failed to desert.
> (For the French, 40 000 deserted, 130 000 were sent to the fight in Eastern
> Europe).
Well and my point was, that many French helped the Nazis to find
and to deport a lot of Jews. And a noteworthy number of them served
in the SS as volunteers. It is clear that a lot of French were forced
to work and to help the Nazis, but not all.
> My grand-fathers managed to run away before receiving their invitation to
> join the German army, they started running away from Lorraine in 1938.
> The situation of the Malgre-Nous is very complex. Some of them became
> completely nuts (you'd loose your common sense for less) and extraordinarily
> violent. The Germans used them for spectacular sadistic operations like the
> slaughter of Oradour.
>
> So 7000 volunteers. Well, that's probably in the same order of importance
> than the Americans that joined North-Koreans, than the Germans involved in
> Red Army, etc.
But 7000 volunteers are quite remarkable for a country, that the Germans
considered as "Erzfeind" (arch-enemy).
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"Silvio Franke" <silvio...@unibw-muenchen.de> wrote in message
> The Prussian officers were not that different from other officers.
Well, they made a lasting impression in Metz.
> The main differences were their effectiveness and the level how the
> Prussian society was influenced by them.
And the rest of German society too, and their idiot neighbours too...
> 1870 and 1914 the Soldiers
> and societies of all involved countries were enthusiastic about
> the wars, there was no difference...
The French enthusiastic in 1870 ?! You have a lot of imagination.
There was only one guy enthousiastic about 70. I've met him. I was taken to
Gravelotte in the middle of nowhere. They have 2 rooms full of rusty old
stuff in a farm, they call that a war museum. I was supposed to watch it 2
minutes before going to drink a chocolate while the men would visit it
seriously. But at the entrance, a Poilu (veteran of 14, he was at least 95)
took me in hostage and explained me in detail each gun, then he'd seize it
and started jumping around, yelling and killing imaginary enemies. That was
really funny because he was talking at the first person as if he had really
participated. At the end, he decided to teach me how to use a baionnette on
a dummy, I had to do like him. That lasted 2 hours, then we were lucky the
angelus rang and he had to go home to take his lunch and his medecine for
blood pressure. I'll never know the end. Did we win the battle of Gravelotte
?
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"Silvio Franke" <silvio...@unibw-muenchen.de> wrote in message
> But 7000 volunteers are quite remarkable for a country, that the Germans
> considered as "Erzfeind" (arch-enemy).
There is no reciprocity. Our hereditary enemy is the Perfide Albion.
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belfast biker
wrote:
>Not really, it just shows what a mess Ireland is in, North and South.
>The only Grieg I know is the Norwegian Cmposer. Interestingly, his
>grandfather or his great grandfather was a Scot called Greg.
With respect, I don't think it's in that much of a mess at all....
Today I got up, went to work came home, had dinner, went to cinema,
and no I'm on the net.
In 99.9% of cases, it's exactly the same as the rest of the UK...i'ts
what you make it.
Sure our politicians are mostly useless fecks, but that's coz they're
modelled on British politicians.... ;)
Yes, we've got a low level of organised crime, just like the rest of
the UK, but ours like to call themselves cool names like UFF/UVF/CIRA
etc...
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----- <#\,
--- ()/()
Belfast Biker
"When Religion And Politics Ride In The Same Cart.....The Whirlwind Follows"
John of Aix
> So what are, in your eyes, the main characteritics of Prussia or
> Prussian
> officers? It seems, that your view of them is a little bit twisted.
> Sorry, most times I don't wear a helmet.
You mean you don't have a hat with a spike on it? It used to be so
handy for sticking papers on.
John of Aix
"flora macdonald" <msfl...@yahoo.com> a écrit dans le message de
news: b87d8d25.03073...@posting.google.com...
> "John of Aix" <j.murph...@libertysurf.fr> wrote in message
> > > > Is you name really Flora MacDonald? A great Scots name
> > >
> > > Yes, you may see on another thread that we come from Dal Riada
in Co
> > > Antrim,
> > > (MacDounhaill) in medieval times when Ireland was called Scotia.
We
> > > Scots from Co Antrim invaded Pictish Caledonia and changed its
name
> > to
> > > Scotland.
> >
> > I always thought that 'Mac/Mc' was a purely Scots prefix, O' in
> > Ireland.
>
> Yes, but as I already explained, the Scots came from Ireland which
was
> called Scotia in medieval times. They displaced the Picts from
> Caledonia (Roman Name) and it was eventually renamed Scotland.
Yes this rings a bell now you remind me. But I do wish these damn
northerners would stop jigging about the map, it gets very confusing.
John of Aix
"Patrick EMIN" <mye...@club-internet.fr> a écrit dans le message de
news: 3f28129d$0$9622$7a62...@news.club-internet.fr...
No that holds for the workers who were forced to work abroad but those
who actually joined the German army or pro-German militia would be
philosophical fascists, there were quite a few in those days of sharp
and extreme separation between left and right.
Silvio Franke
John of Aix schrieb:
Man, how old are you? Since the middle of WWI the Pickelhaube was not
any longer fashionable. But the newer models have a remarkable design,
too. Even the US are now convinced of the advantageous, fashionable
and protecting shape of Gemran style helmets. And a lot of countries
of the Warsaw Pact used a helmet, which was based on a design,
developed in Germany at the end of WWII.
Silvio Franke
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>
> "Silvio Franke" <silvio...@unibw-muenchen.de> wrote in message
>
> > The Prussian officers were not that different from other officers.
>
> Well, they made a lasting impression in Metz.
Metz and Sedan are two in Germany well known French places...
> > The main differences were their effectiveness and the level how the
> > Prussian society was influenced by them.
>
> And the rest of German society too, and their idiot neighbours too...
>
> > 1870 and 1914 the Soldiers
> > and societies of all involved countries were enthusiastic about
> > the wars, there was no difference...
>
> The French enthusiastic in 1870 ?! You have a lot of imagination.
> There was only one guy enthousiastic about 70. I've met him. I was taken to
> Gravelotte in the middle of nowhere. They have 2 rooms full of rusty old
> stuff in a farm, they call that a war museum. I was supposed to watch it 2
> minutes before going to drink a chocolate while the men would visit it
> seriously. But at the entrance, a Poilu (veteran of 14, he was at least 95)
> took me in hostage and explained me in detail each gun, then he'd seize it
> and started jumping around, yelling and killing imaginary enemies. That was
> really funny because he was talking at the first person as if he had really
> participated. At the end, he decided to teach me how to use a baionnette on
> a dummy, I had to do like him. That lasted 2 hours, then we were lucky the
> angelus rang and he had to go home to take his lunch and his medecine for
> blood pressure. I'll never know the end. Did we win the battle of Gravelotte
I can understand, that most French are now not very enthusiastic about
70/71. But some parts of the French society 1870 wanted a war and
demanded for example "Revenge for Sadova"...
At Vionville, Mars-la-Tour and Gravelotte the French troops fought hard
to break through the encircling German lines. The German troops there
had some heavy losses, but managed to keep the encircling intact and in
the end the Germans won the battle. To give a short answer to your
question: No.
Declan Murphy
>
> John of Aix schrieb:
>
>>"Silvio Franke" <silvio...@unibw-muenchen.de> a ecrit dans le
>>message de news: 3F279A70...@unibw-muenchen.de...
>>
>>>So what are, in your eyes, the main characteritics of Prussia or
>>>Prussian
>>>officers? It seems, that your view of them is a little bit twisted.
>>>Sorry, most times I don't wear a helmet.
>>
>>You mean you don't have a hat with a spike on it? It used to be so
>>handy for sticking papers on.
>
> Man, how old are you? Since the middle of WWI the Pickelhaube was not
> any longer fashionable. But the newer models have a remarkable design,
The advantages of the new helmut notwithstanding, the spike is far more
stylish. Lots of Australians still have them as souvenirs from 1916-18,
and they look really cool on the bar or or the wall behind the billiard
table, especially if there is a round entry and exit hole in them acting
as a conversationpoint. I'm not suggesting you wear one in the tank of
course, but perhaps you could attach a large spike to your Leopard 2 to
get into the spirit of things? Since these days multinational forces are
all the rage, perhaps just for fun you could fly 9 yak tails from it
like Uncle Genghis?
--
"Actually, the US accounts for over 1/3 of the global GDP"
"I have to go against straight monetary comparisons in favor of PPP"
kevinomics 101
Silvio Franke
Declan Murphy schrieb:
>
> Silvio Franke wrote:
> >
> > John of Aix schrieb:
> >
> >>"Silvio Franke" <silvio...@unibw-muenchen.de> a ecrit dans le
> >>message de news: 3F279A70...@unibw-muenchen.de...
> >>
> >>>So what are, in your eyes, the main characteritics of Prussia or
> >>>Prussian
> >>>officers? It seems, that your view of them is a little bit twisted.
> >>>Sorry, most times I don't wear a helmet.
> >>
> >>You mean you don't have a hat with a spike on it? It used to be so
> >>handy for sticking papers on.
> >
> > Man, how old are you? Since the middle of WWI the Pickelhaube was not
> > any longer fashionable. But the newer models have a remarkable design,
>
> The advantages of the new helmut notwithstanding, the spike is far more
> stylish. Lots of Australians still have them as souvenirs from 1916-18,
> and they look really cool on the bar or or the wall behind the billiard
> table, especially if there is a round entry and exit hole in them acting
> as a conversationpoint. I'm not suggesting you wear one in the tank of
> course, but perhaps you could attach a large spike to your Leopard 2 to
> get into the spirit of things? Since these days multinational forces are
> all the rage, perhaps just for fun you could fly 9 yak tails from it
> like Uncle Genghis?
Well, perhaps I could use a Sabot round as a spike, but I prefer to
fire these things at something. This gets not into the spirit of
things, but brings light and warmth to the target.
But as concession we could perhaps use Attila's signs. I think
Attila and the Huns have something to do wit German history, because
we were often called so, but I have to look up, what it was...ah it
just came to my mind...
Silvio
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John of Aix
>
>
> John of Aix schrieb:
> >
> > "Silvio Franke" <silvio...@unibw-muenchen.de> a ecrit dans le
> > message de news: 3F279A70...@unibw-muenchen.de...
> >
> > > So what are, in your eyes, the main characteritics of Prussia or
> > > Prussian
> > > officers? It seems, that your view of them is a little bit
twisted.
> > > Sorry, most times I don't wear a helmet.
> >
> > You mean you don't have a hat with a spike on it? It used to be so
> > handy for sticking papers on.
>
> Man, how old are you? Since the middle of WWI the Pickelhaube was
not
> any longer fashionable.
Dear oh dear, are you trying to prove that the Germans really don't
have a sense of humour? Remind me to put a smiley next time.
Silvio Franke
John of Aix schrieb in Nachricht ...
Sense of humor is not a matter of nations. Perhaps you don't like
my sense of humor, but that is no reason to conclude, that all Germans
have no sense of humor.
So perhaps I proved, that we both have different senses of humor, but
nothing more. Well, shit happens...
Silvio
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Declan Murphy
> John of Aix schrieb in Nachricht ...
>
>>"Silvio Franke" <silvio...@unibw-muenchen.de> a ecrit dans le
>>message de news: 3F29F7D1...@unibw-muenchen.de...
>>>Man, how old are you? Since the middle of WWI the Pickelhaube was
>>not
>>>any longer fashionable.
>>
>>Dear oh dear, are you trying to prove that the Germans really don't
>>have a sense of humour? Remind me to put a smiley next time.
>
> Sense of humor is not a matter of nations. Perhaps you don't like
> my sense of humor, but that is no reason to conclude, that all Germans
> have no sense of humor.
> So perhaps I proved, that we both have different senses of humor, but
> nothing more. Well, shit happens...
A German (with or without spiked helmut) without a sense of humour? -
there is no such animal. Reminds me of a German friend surrounded by a
bunch of boorish Brits in a pub giving him shit about Germany losing WW2
or something - he replied "I vould appreciate it if you vould stop
talking about zee war. My grandfather died in a concentration camp. It
was wery painful".
The Brits went very quiet. Later on, one of them came up to him and
apologised - "I'm terribly sorry about your grandfather" etc.
My friend replied "Ja. He fell out of zee watchtower".
Bewdiful.
John of Aix
"Silvio Franke" <silvio...@unibw-muenchen.de> a écrit dans le
message de news: 3f2a8546$1...@news.unibw-muenchen.de...
Jeez man are you stupid or what? Of course the fucking Germans have a
sense of humour just as everybody; that is the whole point, the
classic image is that they don't and as you write you seem to be hell
bent on proving that this is true. IT WAS A JOKE
Calling Pieter Wenk, explain to him in German could you,
John of Aix
"Declan Murphy" <declan...@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de
news: 3F2AAF90...@hotmail.com...
Nice one Dec. But that's it spot on. What is it with the Brits that
they have to go back to 1945 at every turn (or 66, thanks Sir Bobby)?
Last time they had any sort of success I suppose.
MatthewOutland
> > authority. No one can prick, deflate, and ridicule like the French and
> > if we had that talent we'd be far better off than we are today.
Unless, of course, they have the strength to back it up(like germans
do), then french are humble and blind followers of authority.
There is a word for someone who ridicules the weak and bows to the
strong.
Its called a frenchman
belfast biker
>But s.c.b. is my online home.
Apologies. Thought you were referring to the celtic/irish gruppos....
Silvio Franke
No need for this.
It seems that I have to reset my joke- and fun-detector.
Silvio Franke
John of Aix schrieb in Nachricht ...
>> >> > You mean you don't have a hat with a spike on it? It used to be
>so
>> >> > handy for sticking papers on.
>> >>
>> >> Man, how old are you? Since the middle of WWI the Pickelhaube was
>> >not
>> >> any longer fashionable.
>> >
>> >Dear oh dear, are you trying to prove that the Germans really don't
>> >have a sense of humour? Remind me to put a smiley next time.
>>
>>
>> Sense of humor is not a matter of nations. Perhaps you don't like
>> my sense of humor, but that is no reason to conclude, that all
>Germans
>> have no sense of humor.
>
>Jeez man are you stupid or what? Of course the fucking Germans have a
>sense of humour just as everybody; that is the whole point, the
>classic image is that they don't and as you write you seem to be hell
>bent on proving that this is true. IT WAS A JOKE
>
>Calling Pieter Wenk, explain to him in German could you,
No need for this.
It seems that I just have to reset my joke- and fun-detector.
John of Aix
>
> John of Aix schrieb in Nachricht ...
> >Calling Pieter Wenk, explain to him in German could you,
> No need for this.
>
> It seems that I just have to reset my joke- and fun-detector.
Ouf, enfin.
Silvio Franke
John of Aix schrieb in Nachricht ...
>
>"Silvio Franke" <silvio...@unibw-muenchen.de> a écrit dans le
>message de news: 3f2bd435$1...@news.unibw-muenchen.de...
>>
>> John of Aix schrieb in Nachricht ...
>
>> >Calling Pieter Wenk, explain to him in German could you,
>
>> No need for this.
>>
>> It seems that I just have to reset my joke- and fun-detector.
>
>Ouf, enfin.
..but that does not mean, that my kind and sense of humor
changes... ;-)
Silvio
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John of Aix
>
> John of Aix schrieb in Nachricht ...
> >
> >"Silvio Franke" <silvio...@unibw-muenchen.de> a écrit dans le
> >message de news: 3f2bd435$1...@news.unibw-muenchen.de...
> >>
> >> John of Aix schrieb in Nachricht ...
> >
> >> >Calling Pieter Wenk, explain to him in German could you,
> >
> >> No need for this.
> >>
> >> It seems that I just have to reset my joke- and fun-detector.
> >
> >Ouf, enfin.
>
>
> ..but that does not mean, that my kind and sense of humor
> changes... ;-)
But of course not. Each to his own style.
John of Aix
"MatthewOutland" <matthewo...@yahoo.com> a écrit dans le message
de news: 52210046.03080...@posting.google.com...
> > > them so intolerant of pomposity, stupidity, and unquestioned
> > > authority. No one can prick, deflate, and ridicule like the
French and
> > > if we had that talent we'd be far better off than we are today.
>
>
> Unless, of course, they have the strength to back it up(like germans
> do), then french are humble and blind followers of authority.
Really? They've had several 'revolutions' in the last two hundred
years, the most recent barely 40 years ago. Some blind following of
authority that. King Louis said it and most French people believe it,
'c'est moi l'état', and woe betide any government that tries to put on
over on them.
More knowledge of France from someone who has probably neither set
foot there nor understands a word of French. Do carry on, you brighten
up the evening with your stupidities
MatthewOutland
> Really? They've had several 'revolutions' in the last two hundred
> years, the most recent barely 40 years ago. Some blind following of
> authority that. King Louis said it and most French people believe it,
> 'c'est moi l'état', and woe betide any government that tries to put on
> over on them.
>
Pieter Wenk
<kgowen...@myfastmail.com> wrote:
>Pieter Wenk wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 10:56:20 -0400, "Kevin Gowen"
>> <kgowen...@myfastmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Anaconda wrote:
>>>> "Kevin Gowen" avait ?onc?:
>>>>
>>>>> MatthewOutland wrote:
>>>>>> Politics aside, why do so many people view french society
>>>>>> cynically or with contempt? I've never been to France or met any
>>>>>> French so I don't know whats so special here. Just curious,
>>>>>> that's all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Vichy.
>>>>
>>>> Curious, it's a charming city.
>>>
>>> Yes, I hear the Germans just love it.
>>
>> Why only Germans ? Vichy is indeed well known for thermal treatments.
>
>I hear the flowing waters make a whooshing sound.
This water has seems to have excellent results :-)
Regards
--
Pieter Wenk /CH-1800 Vevey - Rivi鋨a Vaudoise
These capitalists generally act harmoniously, and in concert, to fleece
the people.
--Abraham Lincoln, 1837
內躬偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻內躬偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻,
MatthewOutland
they deseve their reputation as alziness.
Whats worse
than a black guy on living off a welfare check?
Answer: A canadian waiter
x
"MatthewOutland" <matthewo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:52210046.03080...@posting.google.com...
What's worse than a bad canadian waiter joke?
The racist fuck that posted it to this newsgroup.
IE: why does it have to be a "black guy" living off the welfare cheque?
What about all the white trash triler park shits who soak off the good of
society?
--
x
"being the smartest window-licker on the shortbus doesn't make you a genius"
belfast biker
(MatthewOutland) wrote:
>Whats worse
>than a black guy on living off a welfare check?
Don't you have a trailer to trash?
John W.
> "MatthewOutland" <matthewo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:52210046.03080...@posting.google.com...
> > I ffrench waiters are anything like how they are in canada, I think
> > they deseve their reputation as alziness.
> >
> >
> >
> > Whats worse
> > than a black guy on living off a welfare check?
> >
> >
> > Answer: A canadian waiter
>
> What's worse than a bad canadian waiter joke?
>
> The racist fuck that posted it to this newsgroup.
>
> IE: why does it have to be a "black guy" living off the welfare cheque?
> What about all the white trash triler park shits who soak off the good of
> society?
... effectively ruined.
John W.
John Smith
What makes this generalization, which is both racist and classist,
acceptable but the french waiter joke or the black joke beyond the
pale?
Someone please explain.
belfast biker <a...@a.com> wrote in message news:<nmg2jvs7er0gu1dku...@4ax.com>...
Kevin Gowen
> Why is it ok to slander people who live in trailers?
>
> What makes this generalization, which is both racist
Which race is the Trailer race?
> and classist,
Really? You might be interested to learn that the fastest growing segment of
mobile home owners is the upper middle class.
> acceptable but the french waiter joke or the black joke beyond the
> pale?
I think top posting is beyond the pale.
> Someone please explain.
>
>
>
> belfast biker <a...@a.com> wrote in message
> news:<nmg2jvs7er0gu1dku...@4ax.com>...
>> On 6 Aug 2003 09:36:29 -0700, matthewo...@yahoo.com
>> (MatthewOutland) wrote:
>>
>>> Whats worse
>>> than a black guy on living off a welfare check?
>>
>>
>> Don't you have a trailer to trash?
--
Kevin Gowen
"If it were before me today I would vote against it, because it doesn't
have environmental or labor standards in it."
- Sen. John Kerry, explaining to the AFL-CIO how he would vote on the
North American Free Trade Agreement. Senator Kerry voted to ratify
NAFTA in 1993.
flora macdonald
This thread began with Anglo/American differences with the French but
we have moved on to the various terms of abuse which are used against
different people.
I have just recalled another:Gringo, which used to be used by American
Hispanics against Wasps ( Another sting? Grin-go). It may be still in
use, it certainly is in Hollywood.
One explanation was the popularity of the song "Green go the Rushes
Oh" among North Americans ca 1840. Are there any other explanations?.
I must check my purse, we Scots are noted for being careful about
money.
Flora
L Smithson
> Politics aside, why do so many people view french society cynically or
> with contempt? I've never been to France or met any French so I don't
> know whats so special here. Just curious, that's all.
Cause the Neocons are upset at France's attempt to screw up their
proxy war, and the USA media went on a good old smear campaign against
its enemies.
x
"John Smith" <stell...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7a0d22d3.03081...@posting.google.com...
> Why is it ok to slander people who live in trailers?
>
> What makes this generalization, which is both racist and classist,
> acceptable but the french waiter joke or the black joke beyond the
> pale?
>
> Someone please explain.
>
the same things that make the joke acceptable.
it's not acceptable, but it's used as a contrast to make a point.
belfast biker
wrote:
>Why is it ok to slander people who live in trailers?
>
>What makes this generalization, which is both racist and classist,
>acceptable but the french waiter joke or the black joke beyond the
>pale?
>
>Someone please explain.
Because "trailer trash" are *very* funny people.*
* May not be true. Please follow with as many Oirish jokes as you
want... :)
John Smith
> John Smith wrote:
> > Why is it ok to slander people who live in trailers?
> >
> > What makes this generalization, which is both racist
>
> Which race is the Trailer race?
You are unaware that the term "trailer trash" is commonly used to
denigrate poor white people? Please play honestly or don't play at
all.
> > and classist,
>
> Really? You might be interested to learn that the fastest growing segment of
> mobile home owners is the upper middle class.
You're right, I would be very interested. But first define "upper
middle class" for me. And second point me to the statistic that shows
that they are the fastest growing segment of mobile home owners.
Third, assuming it to be true, please demonstrate how this is the
slightest bit relevant to the common understanding of what "trailer
trash". And how is it not an insult to anyone who lives in a trailer?
Are you as cavaliere about, say, "ghetto trash?" If a black person
objected to the use of this term would you leap to my defense to point
out that some white people, too, live in ghettos?
> > acceptable but the french waiter joke or the black joke beyond the
> > pale?
>
> I think top posting is beyond the pale.
I'm not familiar with that term. Is it as awful as maligning a whole
group of people based on the kind of home they live in?
John Smith
If I remember correctly (I think I read it in "Battle Cry Freedom",
James McPherson's single volume on the US Civil War) the term "gringo"
derives from the "Mexican War" in which the US soldiers were often
heard singing "How Green Grows My Valley", a popular song of the era.
Though I could be wrong about this.
John Smith
> "John Smith" <stell...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7a0d22d3.03081...@posting.google.com...
> > Why is it ok to slander people who live in trailers?
> >
> > What makes this generalization, which is both racist and classist,
> > acceptable but the french waiter joke or the black joke beyond the
> > pale?
> >
> > Someone please explain.
> >
>
> the same things that make the joke acceptable.
> it's not acceptable, but it's used as a contrast to make a point.
A contrast to what? To make which point?
Well I appreciate your acknowledgement that it is an odious term. By
the way I don't think a french waiter joke is as condemnable as the
hypothetical black or anti-poor white joke.