Civil Aviation in Japan?
another fool
seem to think so and I have not seen any small civilian planes flying
around.
Michael Cash
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>Anyone know if there is any civil aviation in Japan?
Yes, there is civil aviation in Japan.
>Wife doesn't seem to think so
Please inform her that one may find Cessnas, sailplanes, , hot air
balloons, paragliders, motorized paragliders, etc in Japan.
>and I have not seen any small civilian planes flying around.
Sort of depends on where you are as to how likely you are to encounter
them. They're out there, though.
Eric Takabayashi
> On 18 Oct 2003 19:50:33 -0700, anoth...@hotmail.com (another fool)
> belched the alphabet and kept on going with:
>
> >Anyone know if there is any civil aviation in Japan?
>
> Yes, there is civil aviation in Japan.
>
> >Wife doesn't seem to think so
>
> Please inform her that one may find Cessnas, sailplanes, , hot air
> balloons, paragliders, motorized paragliders, etc in Japan.
Also private helicopters. There used to be a 19 year old college girl who
lived by herself in a house in Fukuyama, dressed all in black, and flew
her uncle's helicopter around Western Japan for fun on weekends.
> >and I have not seen any small civilian planes flying around.
>
> Sort of depends on where you are as to how likely you are to encounter
> them. They're out there, though.
And apparently expensive as hell to do, from licensing to operating
costs.
The motorized paragliders can be reasonable. I've seen a place advertised
near Tokyo, I think, they provided hours of instruction, and also let the
student solo by the end, and it was just 10,000 yen.
another fool
> near Tokyo, I think, they provided hours of instruction, and also let the
> student solo by the end, and it was just 10,000 yen.
Yeah the wife has lived a relatively sheltered life in the Osaka
suburbs near Itami airport so there is probably a no fly zone around
it for small planes. And we live up in the foothills/mountains so not
a lot of private guys would head up here, mostly it's the local naval
airstations guys flying their helicoptors around pissing off the
locals.
Anyway I write this and what did I see while we were out by the lake
this afternoon?
Paragliders...
I figure it must all be expensive as hell - probably cheaper for me to
fly back to Texas and use my buddies crop duster. Wonder if my
lisence is any good here or if I'd have to go through all that crap
again.
Eric Takabayashi
This would definitely be worth looking into. For example, there was some
trouble a while back, because so many Japanese were going to the US to get
their helicopter licenses (in English), mostly because it cost half as much -
three million yen instead of six million.
Eric Takabayashi
Speaking of Osaka, I am looking for a place called Tsukaguchi, which is
supposed to be nearby, and am unable to find it on a map. Where is it?
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"Eric Takabayashi" <eta...@yahoo.co.jp> wrote in message
> Speaking of Osaka, I am looking for a place called Tsukaguchi, which is
> supposed to be nearby, and am unable to find it on a map. Where is it?
A bit further than Kaz-city...er Amagasaki, in the direction of Kobe. It's
probably
in Hyogo-ken.
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another fool
>> Speaking of Osaka, I am looking for a place called Tsukaguchi, which is
> supposed to be nearby, and am unable to find it on a map. Where is it?
My wife says it is near Takarazuka City. Sorry can't be more specific.
another fool
> Speaking of Osaka, I am looking for a place called Tsukaguchi, which is
> supposed to be nearby, and am unable to find it on a map. Where is it?
Ok I lied - a quick google search turned up this, hope it helps:
Eric Takabayashi
It seems to be in Amagasaki, with the station near the airport.
Thanks for the responses.
Marc
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> Anyone know if there is any civil aviation in Japan? Wife doesn't
> seem to think so and I have not seen any small civilian planes flying
> around.
You might check out the Japan verson of AOPA:
There are far fewer private pilots in Japan then US or Europe, and far fewer
airfields. Airplane rentals etc tend to be very expensive; at Honda field
outside of Tokyo I think a Cessna 172 wet is about 18,000 yen/hour.
If you have a license outside Japan it is no good in Japan. You would need
to get a Japan license. It is not too hard however to hook up with a
Japanese pilot and offer your services as co-pilot. You will find that the
private pilots in Japan are predominantly older retired guys with a
background in aviation and/or a lot of money.
-Marc
Marc
> seem to think so and I have not seen any small civilian planes flying
> around.
You might check out the Japan verson of AOPA:
Michael Cash
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>"another fool" <anoth...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:44845040.03101...@posting.google.com...
>> Anyone know if there is any civil aviation in Japan? Wife doesn't
>> seem to think so and I have not seen any small civilian planes flying
>> around.
>
>You might check out the Japan verson of AOPA:
>
>http://www.aopa.jp/
>
>There are far fewer private pilots in Japan then US or Europe, and far fewer
>airfields. Airplane rentals etc tend to be very expensive; at Honda field
>outside of Tokyo I think a Cessna 172 wet is about 18,000 yen/hour.
>
>If you have a license outside Japan it is no good in Japan. You would need
>to get a Japan license.
What's the deal with all the folks who go to the US to get pilot
training? I know they save shitloads of money on the training, but
does their license transfer sort of like automobile licenses do? Or do
they have to sit exams and take check rides and whatnot?
Bryce
Eric, actually, if you are on nigosen and turn onto gogobashi, you take that
road all the way to Takarazuka, you will past through Tsukaguchi and Itami
on the way.
another fool
> >If you have a license outside Japan it is no good in Japan. You would need
> >to get a Japan license.
>
> What's the deal with all the folks who go to the US to get pilot
> training? I know they save shitloads of money on the training, but
> does their license transfer sort of like automobile licenses do? Or do
> they have to sit exams and take check rides and whatnot?
Ok, based on the limited info on that web site...
They will accept my flight training/hours in Japan. Basically I need
to pass another medical, get a radio operators lisence (which would
have some spoken japanese - ugh), and get my log book translated since
they calculate hours differently then the US (and maybe this Japanese
aviation law test thing they mentioned). Unless of course I feel like
shipping a plane over here (or flying it here - or while I've won the
lottery and become independantly wealthy hiring someone to fly it over
here - about the same chances as affording my own plane) that is
registered in the USofA in which case I would need to fill out the
same sort of paperwork a commercial airline files.
My guess is that for commercial or helicoptor licenses (which I think
was your original comment) that the same rules apply - they accept
your hours and training. You might be required to pass a test - and
it looks like there might be a Japanese aviation law test but seems
like it is a pretty straight forward conversion. It just takes (like
almost everything else) a few months.
Drew Hamilton
>aviation law test thing they mentioned). Unless of course I feel like
>shipping a plane over here (or flying it here - or while I've won the
>lottery and become independantly wealthy hiring someone to fly it over
>here - about the same chances as affording my own plane) that is
>registered in the USofA in which case I would need to fill out the
>same sort of paperwork a commercial airline files.
Which actually makes me wonder,
Are there any USA-registered planes available in Japan to rent? You'd
be able to fly one of those on your American license. I wonder if there
are American-registered planes here for people to rent who need to work
on American licenses or ratings or whatever.
I'm planning to be in Japan for a while and I was thinking that before
I left I should convert my Canadian PPL-Aero into an American PP-ASEL
because my chances of finding an American plane elsewhere in the world
to rent are a lot better than my chances of finding a Canadian plane.
That said, if all I'd have to do in Japan was to take another checkride
(I already have a Radio Operator's cert. that could probably be converted)
that might be easier. Then I'd be able to fly gliders too.
- awh
another fool
> Which actually makes me wonder,
>
> Are there any USA-registered planes available in Japan to rent? You'd
> be able to fly one of those on your American license. I wonder if there
> are American-registered planes here for people to rent who need to work
> on American licenses or ratings or whatever.
I imagine that there are very very few private US registered airplanes
in Japan. There are probably several at each of the US air bases for
their private pilot programs but for folks like me (not and never was
US military) that`s not an option.
> I'm planning to be in Japan for a while and I was thinking that before
> I left I should convert my Canadian PPL-Aero into an American PP-ASEL
> because my chances of finding an American plane elsewhere in the world
> to rent are a lot better than my chances of finding a Canadian plane.
>
> That said, if all I'd have to do in Japan was to take another checkride
> (I already have a Radio Operator's cert. that could probably be converted)
> that might be easier. Then I'd be able to fly gliders too.
>
> - awh
This site has some info on gliders.
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/jsc/home/eng.htm
I was actually thinking of trying to sidestep the regulations and go
with an ultralight that could be shipped over reasonably in kit form
(although the wife/neighbors/landlord might get a might bit pissed if
I started hangering an ultralight in our back yard). But if they
require a lisence for gliders and powered gliders I have to imagine
they would want one for a powered ultralight.
And look at those prices! It literally would be cheaper to fly back
home several times a year and rent a plane - or hit Hawaii or Guam...
Drew Hamilton
>I started hangering an ultralight in our back yard). But if they
>require a lisence for gliders and powered gliders I have to imagine
>they would want one for a powered ultralight.
Doesn't every country need a license for gliders? I went solo in a glider
using my PPL (a PPL in Canada also counts as a student glider permit) but
I will eventually need to get a separate glider license.
>And look at those prices! It literally would be cheaper to fly back
>home several times a year and rent a plane - or hit Hawaii or Guam...
Those prices for gliders are about double what I pay in Canada but still
reasonable (given how much I've heard that airplanes cost to rent). I pay
20 bucks for a tow and 50 cents per minute on the glider.
Hmm, Hawaii and Guam, I had forgotten about those. Maybe getting a US
pilot license and then flying out to Guam every once in a while to fly
would work...
- awh
another fool
> Doesn't every country need a license for gliders? I went solo in a glider
> using my PPL (a PPL in Canada also counts as a student glider permit) but
> I will eventually need to get a separate glider license.
>
No idea - I have never had any interest in unpowered flight other then
hang gliders. And after watching 2 friends go into a cliff and 1 of
the 2 die I haven't had a great deal of interest in those.
> Hmm, Hawaii and Guam, I had forgotten about those. Maybe getting a US
> pilot license and then flying out to Guam every once in a while to fly
> would work...
Yeah I'm thinking about it. I am spoiled rotten - had 2 friends with
planes I could borrow for gas money so it's been 4 years since the
last time I had to rent one.
Michael Cash
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>Drew Hamilton <a...@awh.org> wrote in message news:<b4jr61-...@urd.awh.org>...
>> Doesn't every country need a license for gliders? I went solo in a glider
>> using my PPL (a PPL in Canada also counts as a student glider permit) but
>> I will eventually need to get a separate glider license.
>>
>
>No idea - I have never had any interest in unpowered flight other then
>hang gliders.
I bet if your engine gave out on you you'd develop a sudden
all-consuming interest in it.
Drew Hamilton
>On 26 Oct 2003 07:29:22 -0800, anoth...@hotmail.com (another fool)
>belched the alphabet and kept on going with:
>>hang gliders.
>
>I bet if your engine gave out on you you'd develop a sudden
>all-consuming interest in it.
Engine-out landings is probably the most practiced manoeuver during
pilot training. Before you go solo you need to know how to deal with
engine failure during takeoff and landing, and one of the first lessons
post-first-solo is what to do if your engine fails in mid-flight. After
that, on pretty much every lesson between then and my flight test I could
count on my instructor to reach over and cut the engine at least once
during the flight.
Light aircraft glide surprisingly well with no engine power (high-wing
aircraft especially can be tough to make descend fast enough during
landings). That said, they don't glide anywhere near as well as gliders
that were designed for it.
To the original poster who didn't want anything to do with unpowered
flight: I used to feel that way too. The only reason that I originally
took up soaring is that I wanted a way to fly for cheaper. But it ends
up being quite different from powered flight, and quite challenging and
exciting in its own right. It's probably too late for this year, but
next spring I'd suggest at least going out for a demo flight...
- awh