Answer me this...
Blue
something that seemed odd and wondered if anyone here might be able to
come up with an explanation.
(Do not read on if you've not seen End of Evangelion)
I think we can agree that basically, if something happens to the Eva,
then the pilot feels it.
In other words, if Unit 01 gets hit on the head then Shinji will feel a
blow to the head, right? (Etc, etc...)
**BUT**.....
...If the Eva is shut down, deactivated, or loses power in some way then
this ceases.
The best example of this I can think of is Eva Unit 01's battle against
Unit-03/13th angel.
Unit-03/13th Angel was strangling Unit-01 and you could clearly see that
Shinji himself was feeling strangulation too.
However, on the orders of Commander Ikari, Unit-01 is shut down and
Shinji ceases to feel the strangulation.
This brings me to End of Evangelion and Unit-02's demise...
Unit-02 was struck through the head by the Lance of Longinus just as the
power ran out yet Asuka clearly feels the pain from this.
The Eva series then proceed to disembowel Unit-02, which is now
powerless, yet Asuka *still* clearly feels this!
Can anyone come up with an explanation for these differences?
I wondered if, in Shinji's case, it was because everything had been
switched to the dummy plug. That seemed plausible until I remembered
that there was a good few seconds between shut down and activation of
the dummy plug system.
As for Asuka, I wondered if she continued to feel the pain because Unit-
02 had gone "Beserker!" at that point?
These are my theories and, as it was bugging me, I just wanted to throw
the question open to the whole group and see what other people came up
with.
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Blue-Jackal,
Space Tourist.
James M
Blue <An...@warriorprincess.demonNO2SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
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James M
> The Eva series then proceed to disembowel Unit-02, which is now
> powerless, yet Asuka *still* clearly feels this!
>
>
>
> Can anyone come up with an explanation for these differences?
>
For Auska to stop suffering at the power down would'nt be as dramatic.
Also its dramatic for Shingi to stop feeling with the shut down as it
contasts/ hightens the loss of control he'd be expericing when the dummy
plug takes over.
Jack
> As for Asuka, I wondered if she continued to feel the pain because
> Unit- 02 had gone "Beserker!" at that point?
>
that's it !!! remember that eva02 is in berserk but Asuka still controls it
!!!!
(Excuse me for this orrible english...)
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Jack
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Blue
writes
>> The Eva series then proceed to disembowel Unit-02, which is now
>> powerless, yet Asuka *still* clearly feels this!
>>
>> Can anyone come up with an explanation for these differences?
>>
>The beserker thoery would be my choice. The easy anwer would be drama!
> For Auska to stop suffering at the power down would'nt be as dramatic.
Yes I guess you're right there.
Having the shot change from Unit-02 being ripped up, to a shot of Asuka
sitting in the entry plug twiddling her thumbs would have been a bit of
an anti-climax to that scene :)
Ibuki: "Oh god, no! Unit-02 is...Unit-02 is...
Asuka is...Asuka is...twiddling her thumbs and looking bored".
Yes, you're right, I can't see that winning any drama awards:)
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Blue-Jackal,
Space Tourist.
Blue
<billia...@katamail.com> writes
>> As for Asuka, I wondered if she continued to feel the pain because
>> Unit- 02 had gone "Beserker!" at that point?
>
>that's it !!! remember that eva02 is in berserk but Asuka still controls it
>!!!!
...And very menacingly too!:)
"I'll kill you! I'll kill you!"
Ooh, err! :)
>(Excuse me for this orrible english...)
It's better than my Italian...because my Italian doesn't exist ;)
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Blue-Jackal,
Space Tourist.
James M
specificly say that the power mode has anything to do with the pilot sync
procses. So when main power was lost in 02 Auska was still synced , while 01
wasn't powered down- just remotly unsynced from the pilot.
What ya all think? If we all try hard enough maybe we can solve all the
continuity problems in NGE. Yeah right!news:gOycAAAp...@warriorprincess.demon.co.uk...
Jonathan Ford
asuka was feeling...
My best guess is that the connection with the EVA was made somewhat
permanent. Remember when Asuka extends her AT field to block the Lance? the
AT field was an extension of her own soul, and that was most probably
reinforced by her mother's soul which was in the EVA. The lance most likely
caused a "joining" of the two souls, causing Asuka to feel directly the pain
that her mother was feeling. Even when the Lance would be removed, the
pilot's and EVA's soul would be in a way wounded, causing pain and feelings
to spill over between each other. So instead of feeling pain through a
physical connection with the EVA (that is through the entry plug), she would
be spiritually connected to the EVA.
The Berserk mode of EVA-02 would probably be explained by the joining of
forces between the soul the pilot and the soul of the EVA.
While the Berserk mode of EVA-2 would probably be explained in the inherent
hatred of the enemy (Angels) that is nurtured in Shinji. Most likely, these
feelings were joined with Yui's soul and private agenda of letting humanity
survive at all costs. Basing on the Idea that we are the Lilims, and that in
the Kaballistic teachings showing that anger and hatred are the base of our
being and instinct, Yui would have to just let go and channel these feelings
through the EVA, thus angel parts thrown around the geo front...
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Schmuck
<snip>
> These are my theories and, as it was bugging me, I just wanted to throw
> the question open to the whole group and see what other people came up
> with.
My guess would be was that she had an incredibly high sync ratio with her
EVA during the fight and still remained synced with it after losing power
(thus being able to move the hand like she did).
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Schmuck
AIM: Schmuck65
Blue
Schmuck <Schm...@att.net> writes
>> These are my theories and, as it was bugging me, I just wanted to throw
>> the question open to the whole group and see what other people came up
>> with.
>
>My guess would be was that she had an incredibly high sync ratio with her
>EVA during the fight and still remained synced with it after losing power
>(thus being able to move the hand like she did).
You know what makes me really go "Eeeeew!" during that whole scene? (And
this *will* sound daft! <g>)
It's not the being ripped to shreds bit, it's not the stabbed through
the head bit, it's not the intestines everywhere bit, but rather, the
bit during the "I'll kill you! I'll kill you!" scene where Unit-02 is
reaching up at the Eva series.
On Unit-02's now exposed hand, you can see that one of it's finger nails
is ripped right back!! Ow! Ow! Ow! I can *feel* that every time I see
that scene! :D
I know that, on a scale of 1-10, that the fingernail thing is hardly the
worst injury you could possibly suffer but...Ow...it looks so damn
painful! :D
Although, now I mention it, just imagine the devastation if Eva Unit-01
stubbed it's toe nail on a building! BERSERKER!! ;D
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Blue-Jackal,
Space Tourist.
Amani
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> something that seemed odd and wondered if anyone here might be able to
> come up with an explanation.
>
> (Do not read on if you've not seen End of Evangelion)
>
>
> I think we can agree that basically, if something happens to the Eva,
> then the pilot feels it.
> In other words, if Unit 01 gets hit on the head then Shinji will feel a
> blow to the head, right? (Etc, etc...)
>
> **BUT**.....
>
> ...If the Eva is shut down, deactivated, or loses power in some way then
> this ceases.
>
> The best example of this I can think of is Eva Unit 01's battle against
> Unit-03/13th angel.
>
> Unit-03/13th Angel was strangling Unit-01 and you could clearly see that
> Shinji himself was feeling strangulation too.
>
> However, on the orders of Commander Ikari, Unit-01 is shut down and
> Shinji ceases to feel the strangulation.
>
>
>
> This brings me to End of Evangelion and Unit-02's demise...
>
> Unit-02 was struck through the head by the Lance of Longinus just as the
> power ran out yet Asuka clearly feels the pain from this.
>
> The Eva series then proceed to disembowel Unit-02, which is now
> powerless, yet Asuka *still* clearly feels this!
>
>
>
> Can anyone come up with an explanation for these differences?
I think it's because Asuka had achieved such an incredibly high sync ratio
(hell, she activated the Unit with no power) so that she had become so
deeply connected to not only FEEL the pain, but the injury actually HAPPENED
to her (AKA the arm-splitting).
--Taryn
[DFC]cOwMoO
>
> It's not the being ripped to shreds bit, it's not the stabbed through
> the head bit, it's not the intestines everywhere bit, but rather, the
> bit during the "I'll kill you! I'll kill you!" scene where Unit-02 is
> reaching up at the Eva series.
>
> On Unit-02's now exposed hand, you can see that one of it's finger nails
> is ripped right back!! Ow! Ow! Ow! I can *feel* that every time I see
> that scene! :D
I know excactly what you mean lol
cOwMoO
Vaughn L.Porter
"[DFC]cOwMoO" <cow...@bikerider.com> wrote in message
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It hurts just THINKING about it!
Vaughn L.Porter
I've been there, too.
Hyperknux
"Amani" <am...@charter.net> wrote in message
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Now, this is just my opinion, but I thought that the arm splitting was just
a representation of what she was feeling, because to my knowledge there was
no indication of that arm being damaged later on, was there? You know, when
we see her after Third Impact.
[DFC]cOwMoO
"Hyperknux" <greg.o...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> Now, this is just my opinion, but I thought that the arm splitting was
just
> a representation of what she was feeling, because to my knowledge there
was
> no indication of that arm being damaged later on, was there? You know,
when
> we see her after Third Impact.
>
She has a bandage running all the way down her arm!
cOwMoO
Vaughn L.Porter
And..your point is?
Vaughn L.Porter
We have insuficiant data to coralate that hypothesys.
[DFC]cOwMoO
"Vaughn L.Porter" <vau...@pcez.com> wrote in message
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> "[DFC]cOwMoO" <cow...@bikerider.com> wrote
>
> > She has a bandage running all the way down her arm!
> >
> > cOwMoO
>
> And..your point is?
>
Exaclty what it says
cOwMoO
Bill Martin
<An...@warriorprincess.demonNO2SPAM.co.uk> wrote:
Well, my explanation is rather simple, so here it is. Shinji still had
his AT field intact so when his Eva shut down, he no longer felt the
pain, since his AT field would protect him. Asuka on the other hand,
had hers pierced by one of the faux Lances of Longinus. In other
words, the barrier to her soul was no longer there to protect her. I'm
guessing, of course, that the AT field allows for a quick desyncing
from the Evas, but since I'm not Anno, I don't know for sure.
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... Waiting patiently for news of Anno's commital to an asylum.