What is the name of the Japanese female-only martial art using a long spear please?
iso
end, created to be used by the wives of samurai to protect the castle
when the husbands were away. :) Thanks.
Luis A. Fernández
"iso" <iso_angel...@yahoo.com> escribió en el mensaje
news:f3c31b73.02090...@posting.google.com...
Kevin Gowen
The wives and families of the samurai who lived in castles i.e. daimyo lived
in Edo whether the husband was there or not. I don't see how there would be
any need for the wife to defend the home.
--
Kevin Gowen ケビン・ゴーエン
FSU College of Law 佛勒里達州立大學法學部
Remi TORDEUX
I am not sure, but I think it is naginata.
Remi
Kevin Gowen
> Naginata
>
> "iso" <iso_angel...@yahoo.com> escribi・en el mensaje
> news:f3c31b73.02090...@posting.google.com...
>> This is a female only m.a. using a long stick with a blade tied at
>> one end, created to be used by the wives of samurai to protect the
>> castle when the husbands were away. :) Thanks.
That is a common misconception.
P.S.
Your chat machine is broked.
Michael Cash
graced the assembled masses with:
>This is a female only m.a. using a long stick with a blade tied at one
>end, created to be used by the wives of samurai to protect the castle
>when the husbands were away. :) Thanks.
Damn. And all this time I thought the naginata was created to be used
as a sort of semi-standoff weapon to allow soldiers with a minimal
amount of training in the use of their weapon to defeat guys with
swords.
PS: If you see the ghost of Benkei, don't tell him he was famous for
using some sissified weapon.
--
Michael Cash
"I find it amazing, Mr. Cash, that such a large man as yourself manages to
slouch through this world casting such a very small shadow."
Prof. Ernest T. Bass
Mount Pilot College
http://www.sunfield.ne.jp/~mike/
http://www.oldies.jp
Michael Cash
<kgowen...@myrealbox.com> graced the assembled masses with:
>Luis A. Fern疣dez wrote:
>> Naginata
>>
>> "iso" <iso_angel...@yahoo.com> escribi・en el mensaje
>> news:f3c31b73.02090...@posting.google.com...
>>> This is a female only m.a. using a long stick with a blade tied at
>>> one end, created to be used by the wives of samurai to protect the
>>> castle when the husbands were away. :) Thanks.
>
>That is a common misconception.
Everyone knows they used Ass Batons.
Brett Robson
...
>
>--
>Kevin Gowen ケビン・ゴーエン
>FSU College of Law 佛勒里達州立大學法學部
>
although it is now scrambled, in your sig the kanji for gaku shows as a odd
(old?) character, is that intentional or an encoding problem?
--
from the Linux manual pages:
NAME false - do nothing, unsuccessfully
Brett Robson
at the keyboard ...
>
>This is a female only m.a. using a long stick with a blade tied at one
>end, created to be used by the wives of samurai to protect the castle
>when the husbands were away. :) Thanks.
I believe it is known as MAN DO, the last o is long eg man-doh
Kevin Gowen
> On Mon, 9 Sep 2002 09:42:16 -0400, "Kevin tapped desperatedly at the
> keyboard ...
>>
>> --
>> Kevin Gowen ケビン・ゴーエン
>> FSU College of Law 佛勒里達州立大學法學部
>>
>
> although it is now scrambled, in your sig the kanji for gaku shows as
> a odd (old?) character, is that intentional or an encoding problem?
Intentional. You will notice that the first kanji is also 旧字.
Don Wagner
>iso wrote:
>> This is a female only m.a. using a long stick with a blade tied at one
>> end, created to be used by the wives of samurai to protect the castle
>> when the husbands were away. :) Thanks.
>The wives and families of the samurai who lived in castles i.e. daimyo lived
>in Edo whether the husband was there or not. I don't see how there would be
>any need for the wife to defend the home.
Oh brother...
At one time in Japan's history, Naginata was the only martial art that
women were allowed to practice. Today, however, Naginata is practiced
by men, women, and children of all ages and abilities.
Thats the weapon the original poster was looking for.
--Don--
Let me show you how the guards used to do it...
Michael Cash
graced the assembled masses with:
>"Kevin Gowen" <kgowen...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>>iso wrote:
>>> This is a female only m.a. using a long stick with a blade tied at one
>>> end, created to be used by the wives of samurai to protect the castle
>>> when the husbands were away. :) Thanks.
>
>>The wives and families of the samurai who lived in castles i.e. daimyo lived
>>in Edo whether the husband was there or not. I don't see how there would be
>>any need for the wife to defend the home.
>
>Oh brother...
>
>At one time in Japan's history, Naginata was the only martial art that
>women were allowed to practice. Today, however, Naginata is practiced
>by men, women, and children of all ages and abilities.
>
If you refer to practice of the naginata in Japan, then my limited
experience would indicate that your statement regarding who practices
today is accurate in its particulars, though perhaps not in the
impression it conveys.
In my class, there were only two guys. All the rest were women and
children. I was such a rarity that one of the sports dailies came out
and did an article on it. Had I been a female, I doubt they would have
cared.
Kevin Gowen
> "Kevin Gowen" <kgowen...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>> iso wrote:
>>> This is a female only m.a. using a long stick with a blade tied at
>>> one end, created to be used by the wives of samurai to protect the
>>> castle when the husbands were away. :) Thanks.
>
>> The wives and families of the samurai who lived in castles i.e.
>> daimyo lived in Edo whether the husband was there or not. I don't
>> see how there would be any need for the wife to defend the home.
>
> Oh brother...
Likewise. It's ok. You're not the first fish to have swallowed this hook.
I notice that you didn't even bat an eye at the poster's implication that
samurai lived in castles.
> At one time in Japan's history, Naginata was the only martial art that
> women were allowed to practice.
What time was that?
> Today, however, Naginata is practiced
> by men, women, and children of all ages and abilities.
While your fake facts are interesting, it does not change the fact that you
have not refuted anything that I have said.
> Thats the weapon the original poster was looking for.
> --Don--
> Let me show you how the guards used to do it...
Do you like Sho Kosugi movies? Own many Stephen Hayes books?
Kaminarikun
Eric Takabayashi
Kevin Gowen wrote:
> Do you like Sho Kosugi movies? Own many Stephen Hayes books?
Please.
You all know Ashida Kim is the only real ninja, "a professional soldier and
fighter." He is "a Teacher, and [has] State certification to prove it!" with
"videotape, press clippings, and receipts to verify this claim, should it
become necessary in open court."
God damn!
Who but the real deal would dare say this publicly?
http://www.ashidakim.com/10k.html
[snip]
"I am the Ninja, himself. I come from the nowhere, I go to the no place. I
have no magic power. Anyone can do the things I do, if they but know how. I am
a professional soldier and fighter. I have videotape, press clippings, and
receipts to verify this claim, should it become necessary in open court. As
such, I am forbidden by law and convention from engaging in personal combat,
since my hands and feet are considered lethal weapons.
[snip]
"Some have even gone so far as to send spies against me or come themselves on
some pretext. And, when they do, they find that I am not at all like they
expected. For, that is the nature of mystery. But, they all get what they came
for, because that is the nature of understanding.
"Therefore, in response to these challenges, I set the following conditions,
in accordance with the time honored tradition recognized in China and Europe
amongst duelists that the challenger is a fool and the challenged must be
permitted certain latitude in defending his life and property in the interest
of fairness.
"First, since most of the challenges are frivolous, being generated by those
who have some grudge with their own masters but who are afraid to face them
and so select a surrogate upon whom to vent their anger and frustration; and,
in light of my own professional status, Challengers must post an Appearance
Bond of $25,000 to guarantee that they will actually show up for the fight,
limiting the number of unnecessary trips to meet these loudmouths who then
don't show up despite all their braggadocio. Only serious contestants need
apply. If the Challenger fails to appear in the Ring within five minutes of
being called for his Match, the Bond is forfeit to the Challenged, the
Challenger is disqualified, and the Match awarded to the Challenged.
"Second, as a professional fighter, my fee is $10,000. Which will be paid by
the Challenger 30 days before the match. Also, Challenger will pay travel
expenses for myself and a party of three to the site of the match and provide
food and lodging for the Party for the duration of the event.
[snip conditions three through five]
So, if you write in popping off at the mouth, looking for a lesson, you've
have come to the right place. I don't take tests, because I have nothing to
prove. I give tests, because I am a Teacher, and have State certification to
prove it! So, if you want a piece of my ass, come on up and get you a bite,
'cause I got plenty. Don't bite off more than you can chew, however. 'Cause
you ain't seen bad yet, but, it's coming. You put up the money and I shall be
most happy to embarrass you in front of all your friends. 'Nuff said."
Kevin Gowen
What bullshit. I wonder what laws forbid him? If such laws exist that
prevent the use of lethal weapons, then I guess I am carrying my .45 around
for nothing.
> [snip]
>
> "Some have even gone so far as to send spies against me or come
> themselves on some pretext. And, when they do, they find that I am
> not at all like they expected. For, that is the nature of mystery.
> But, they all get what they came for, because that is the nature of
> understanding.
>
> "Therefore, in response to these challenges, I set the following
> conditions, in accordance with the time honored tradition recognized
> in China and Europe amongst duelists that the challenger is a fool
> and the challenged must be permitted certain latitude in defending
> his life and property in the interest of fairness.
Curious how China and Europe have the same tradition of appearance bonds.
I could make him explode with a swift kick to his nuts, ormaybe just by
wailing on my ax.
Eric Takabayashi
> Eric Takabayashi wrote:
> >> Do you like Sho Kosugi movies? Own many Stephen Hayes books?
> >
> > Please.
> >
> > You all know Ashida Kim is the only real ninja, "a professional soldier
> and fighter." He is "a Teacher, and [has] State certification to prove it!"
> with "videotape, press clippings, and receipts to verify this claim, should
> it become necessary in open court."
> >
> > God damn!
> >
> > Who but the real deal would dare say this publicly?
> >
> > http://www.ashidakim.com/
> >
> > http://www.ashidakim.com/10k.html
> I could make him explode with a swift kick to his nuts, ormaybe just by
> wailing on my ax.
He publicly say $35,000 up front for using his time, say you can't.
Kevin Gowen
I found this address on their web site:
The DOJO
P.O. Box 209
Lake Alfred, Florida 33850-0209
USA
That's only a 30 minute drive from my parent's house. Maybe I'll wail on my
ax the next time I'm down there. Actually, I could probably explode his
balls from up here in Tallahassee just by wailing on my ax and flipping out.
Michael Cash
<kgowen...@myrealbox.com> graced the assembled masses with:
Can you believe there exists in this world a shitlist which doesn't
have your name on it?
http://www.ashidakim.com/shitlist.html
Maybe you'd better make the drive.
(Why does this guy have two last names?)
Eric Takabayashi
> Eric Takabayashi wrote:
> > Kevin Gowen wrote:
> >
> >> Eric Takabayashi wrote:
> >
> >>>> Do you like Sho Kosugi movies? Own many Stephen Hayes books?
> >>>
> >>> Please.
> >>>
> >>> You all know Ashida Kim is the only real ninja, "a professional soldier
> and fighter." He is "a Teacher, and [has] State certification to prove it!"
> with "videotape, press clippings, and receipts to verify this claim, should
> it become necessary in open court."
> >>>
> >>> God damn!
> >>>
> >>> Who but the real deal would dare say this publicly?
> >>>
> >>> http://www.ashidakim.com/
> >>>
> >>> http://www.ashidakim.com/10k.html
> >
> >> I could make him explode with a swift kick to his nuts, ormaybe just by
> wailing on my ax.
> >
> > He publicly say $35,000 up front for using his time, say you can't.
>
> I found this address on their web site:
> The DOJO
> P.O. Box 209
> Lake Alfred, Florida 33850-0209
> USA
Thas right. He's been around for over two decades. He has nothing to hide from.
From his interview with American Mensa:
http://www.ashidakim.com/interview1.html
[snip]
The American Black Dragon Society was founded in 1966 by Count Juan Raphael
Dante*, who earned the right to do so from the Chinese masters of the Black
Dragon Tong of Retribution by competing in three death matches on the mainland
of China and killing all three opponents with his bare hand. The movie
Bloodsport was an example of such a competition; they have existed since Man
first systematized the martial arts, despite claims to the contrary by
so-called 'masters' who did not wish to compete in them for fear of injury or
death and lack of ability.
[snip]
*note about Count Dante and Black Dragon Fighting Society:
http://www.ashidakim.com/history.html
HISTORY OF THE BLACK DRAGON FIGHTING SOCIETY IN AMERICA
The American Branch of the Ancient and Honorable Black Dragon Fighting Society
was founded by the late Count Juan Raphael Dante in 1966 and opened to public
membership in 1968.
Count Dante was an immediate descendant of the European nobility and a holder
of Black Belt 8th Dan. He is a legend of the Karate world, even today. Count
Dante and his students amassed over one thousand trophies and awards in
international competition. Among these are: World Champion 1963, '65, '67;
World's Top Team 1963-'67; Professional World Karate Champion 1967;
Professional World's Karate Top Team 1967; International Champion 1965; USA
National Top Team 1964; Canadian Top Team 1965. On September 1, 1967, on the
basis of Count Dante's undefeated record in tournament and professional
competition, the Directive Committee of the World Federation of Fighting Arts
declared him to be the World's Deadliest Fighting Master; based additionally on
his having defeated the World's Foremost Fighting Masters of the Fistic and
Grappling Arts in "No Holds Barred" Matches.
The Count was an expert in Judo, Jui-jitsu, Gung Fu, Tai Chi Chuan, Shaolin
Boxing, Kempo, Karate, Yawara, Boxing and Wrestling, as well as holding a Black
Belt in Aikido and a Master's Certificate in Kibo. He was able to study these
arts while serving as the Director of a wig and hair-piece firm based in India,
China, Indonesia, Korea and Japan; where he availed himself of the opportunity
to train and practice with the masters of every field in addition to
participating in and surviving several Oriental Death Matches.
Count Dante was the co-founder of the United States Karate Association and
served as the Head Instructor for the USKA until 1962. He left that
organization in 1964 to form the World Karate Federation.
Count Dante was a strikingly handsome man who looked more like a movie star
than a Karate Master. He frequently appeared on such National Radio and
Television programs as "To Tell the Truth", Midwest Sport Spectacular, and the
CBS Sports Special. He also appeared in the August 1964 Issue of Black Belt
magazine who referred to him as "one of the top instructors in the world
today." He demonstrated his skills at the 1965 World's Fair and at the United
Nations. In 1957, Count Dante served as a Mercenary Guerrilla Army Officer in
the Sierra Maestra Mountains of Eastern Cuba, and as a Military Advisor in
Havana Cuba during the urban campaigns between Fidel Castro and Fulgencio
Batista.
[snip, back to first page:]
(Special Note) As I have said, Ashida Kim, the subject of this interview, heads
the American and Canadian sections of the IBDFS. A mystic soldier of fortune,
mercenary, and intelligence operative (or spy), he has written twelve books on
the Art of Invisibility. In his spare time, he has also accepted the role of
Grandmaster only because of public interest and the need for someone to lead
the membership. He was selected from a host of qualified applicants by the
Grand Council of Nine, each of whom hold sway over their own continental
territories, much in the same way a new Pope is chosen to head the Catholic
Church.
> That's only a 30 minute drive from my parent's house. Maybe I'll wail on my
> ax the next time I'm down there. Actually, I could probably explode his balls
> from up here in Tallahassee just by wailing on my ax and flipping out.
>
> --
> Kevin Gowen ケビン・ゴーエン
> FSU College of Law 佛勒里達州立大學法學部
Now Count Dante, I've heard of him since I read comic books as an elementary
school student. He was recognized as the deadliest man on earth.
Better not take Kim lightly.
Eric Takabayashi
> On Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:24:10 -0400, "Kevin Gowen"
> <kgowen...@myrealbox.com> graced the assembled masses with:
> >>>> You all know Ashida Kim is the only real ninja, "a professional soldier
> and fighter." He is "a Teacher, and [has] State certification to prove it!"
> with "videotape, press clippings, and receipts to verify this claim, should it
> become necessary in open court."
> >>>>
> >>>> God damn!
> >>>>
> >>>> Who but the real deal would dare say this publicly?
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.ashidakim.com/
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.ashidakim.com/10k.html
> >>
> >>> I could make him explode with a swift kick to his nuts, ormaybe just by
> wailing on my ax.
> >>
> >> He publicly say $35,000 up front for using his time, say you can't.
> >
> >I found this address on their web site:
> >The DOJO
> >P.O. Box 209
> >Lake Alfred, Florida 33850-0209
> >USA
> (Why does this guy have two last names?)
I have satisfied my curiosity of two decades ago reading his material and
Hayes', wondering why a ninja from the Japanese line would have a "Korean" name,
by deciding that he is probably a zainichi Korean or descendant. Ashida may be
his Japanese alias, as I have known zainichi Koreans or Chinese to use. Or it
may a pen name plain and simple.
Kevin Gowen
Indeed. I'm sure a phone call from Sean Holland would rectify that
oversight.
> http://www.ashidakim.com/shitlist.html
>
> Maybe you'd better make the drive.
Naw. I'll fly.
> (Why does this guy have two last names?)
--
Kevin Gowen
Ashida is definitely having the last laugh. He actually mentioned Lee Van
Cleef's "The Master"! This show is also notable for having a Van Patten in a
lead role. Demi Moore and Claude Akins once appeared in an episode. Sho
Kosugi, too.
>> That's only a 30 minute drive from my parent's house. Maybe I'll
>> wail on my ax the next time I'm down there. Actually, I could
>> probably explode his balls from up here in Tallahassee just by
>> wailing on my ax and flipping out.
>>
>> --
>> Kevin Gowen ケビン・ゴーエン
>> FSU College of Law 佛勒里達州立大學法學部
>
> Now Count Dante, I've heard of him since I read comic books as an
> elementary school student. He was recognized as the deadliest man on
> earth.
>
> Better not take Kim lightly.
Too late.
Michael Cash
<kgowen...@myrealbox.com> graced the assembled masses with:
>Michael Cash wrote:
>> Maybe you'd better make the drive.
>
>Naw. I'll fly.
That would blow your cover. Save the flying for the trip home.
Michael Cash
<eta...@yahoo.co.jp> graced the assembled masses with:
A quick visit to Amazon.com led me to a customer review which
indicates that "Ashida Kim" is believed to be "Christopher Hunter".
Further googling on "Ashida Kim Christopher Hunter" led to some mildly
interesting pages.
Eric Takabayashi
> A quick visit to Amazon.com led me to a customer review which indicates that
> "Ashida Kim" is believed to be "Christopher Hunter". Further googling on "Ashida
> Kim Christopher Hunter" led to some mildly interesting pages.
I wouldn't do that. Like the banner says (verbatim):
http://www.entertheninja.com/multi_media/ninja_books/
"NEVER F**K WITH A NINJA!"
. . . . .
"STICKERS, SHIRTS, HATS & MORE!"
@hotmail.com.invalid Eric D. Berge
wrote:
>This is a female only m.a. using a long stick with a blade tied at one
>end, created to be used by the wives of samurai to protect the castle
>when the husbands were away. :) Thanks.
Here you go: http://www.scnf.org/index.htm
Don Wagner
>I notice that you didn't even bat an eye at the poster's implication that
>samurai lived in castles.
Why bother? They asked a question because they don't have a framework
to work with. They didn't get a simple answer from you so I answered
it quickly and accuractely.
>> At one time in Japan's history, Naginata was the only martial art that
>> women were allowed to practice.
>
>What time was that?
It appears to be approximately the 10th century and later, although I
can't find a specific time frame to narrow it down.
>> Today, however, Naginata is practiced
>> by men, women, and children of all ages and abilities.
>While your fake facts are interesting, it does not change the fact that you
>have not refuted anything that I have said.
Thats because you didn't say anything that merited a comment.
>Do you like Sho Kosugi movies?
Yes, quite a bit.
> Own many Stephen Hayes books?
Not a one.
Do you train in Japanese underwear and bow to an shrine before
training?
For that matter, do you train at all?
Kevin Gowen
> "Kevin Gowen" <kgowen...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>> I notice that you didn't even bat an eye at the poster's implication
>> that samurai lived in castles.
>
> Why bother? They asked a question because they don't have a framework
> to work with. They didn't get a simple answer from you so I answered
> it quickly and accuractely.
Your answer was quick, but not accurate.
>>> At one time in Japan's history, Naginata was the only martial art
>>> that women were allowed to practice.
>>
>> What time was that?
>
> It appears to be approximately the 10th century and later, although I
> can't find a specific time frame to narrow it down.
I didn't ask what time frame it appears to be. Try again. Incidentally, I
did a search of Japanese web pages, and I've not been able to find one that
supports you claim. For example, it would seem to me that your claim would
be substantiated by this page, but it isn't:
http://ww3.tiki.ne.jp/~rumiya/nagisetsu.html
A check with 大辞林第二版 gives the following definition:
なぎなた 【〈長刀〉・〈薙刀〉・眉尖刀】
1）幅広で反りの強い刀身に、長い柄をつけた武器。平安時代から主に歩卒や僧兵が
用い、南北朝時代以後は上級武士も使用したが、槍の発達で戦国時代以後は戦いの主
要武器ではなくなった。江戸時代には婦人も用いた。
According to this definition, which supports the information of the previous
page, the weapon appeared during the Heian era (794-1192), and was no longer
a weapon of choice after the Warring States period in light of the advance
of the spear. However, note the last sentence of "江戸時代には婦人も用いた。
" i.e. it was used by women in the Edo period (1603-1867). Hmm...17th
century. You're only off by about 700 years.
Of course, nothing in the definition or the other sources says that naginata
was the only martial art that women were allowed to practice, simply that
you were wrong in your statement of the time periods that women were using
the naginata. Now, please cite a source, preferably Japanese, that supports
your claim. For example, some sort of edict, law, or proclamation of the
era. How's your 古文? If you can't read Japanese, well, that's not your
fault.
>>> Today, however, Naginata is practiced
>>> by men, women, and children of all ages and abilities.
>
>> While your fake facts are interesting, it does not change the fact
>> that you have not refuted anything that I have said.
>
> Thats because you didn't say anything that merited a comment.
Then why did you reply to me at all?
>> Do you like Sho Kosugi movies?
>
> Yes, quite a bit.
I thought so. I like the one where some midgets flip out on him.
>> Own many Stephen Hayes books?
>
> Not a one.
You can be honest with me.
> Do you train in Japanese underwear and bow to an shrine before
> training?
No.
> For that matter, do you train at all?
Yes, in shotguns and pistols.
http://www.trainerbryan.com/files/pow.jpg
> --Don--
> Let me show you how the guards used to do it...
--
Brett Robson
>
>The American Black Dragon Society was founded in 1966 by Count Juan Raphael
>Dante*, who earned the right to do so from the Chinese masters of the Black
>Dragon Tong of Retribution by competing in three death matches on the mainland
>of China and killing all three opponents with his bare hand. The movie
>Bloodsport was an example of such a competition; they have existed since Man
>first systematized the martial arts, despite claims to the contrary by
>so-called 'masters' who did not wish to compete in them for fear of injury or
>death and lack of ability.
>
If I was the second best ninjerist in the world Id have to fight the best
ninjerist and Id end up dead. Whats the fucking point and does anyone know where
the aphostrope is on an English keyboad?
>Now Count Dante, I've heard of him since I read comic books as an elementary
>school student. He was recognized as the deadliest man on earth.
>
give me a radio and a battery of 105s and I&ll turn him into red pulp.
Kirk Lawson
> > For that matter, do you train at all?
>
> Yes, in shotguns and pistols.
He meant non-firearms Martial Arts. Now I'm curious too. What Martial
Arts do you train?
> http://www.trainerbryan.com/files/pow.jpg
It looks good on Dirty Harry, but not on you.
Peace favor your sword (IH)
--
"In these modern times, many men are wounded for not having weapons or
knowledge of their use."
-Achille Marozzo, 1536
--
"...it's the nature of the media and the participants. A herd of martial
artists gets together and a fight breaks out; quelle surprise."
-Chas Speaking of rec.martial-arts
Michael Cash
<NO_lklaw...@heapy.com.SPAMSUX> graced the assembled masses with:
>Kevin Gowen wrote:
>
>> > For that matter, do you train at all?
>>
>> Yes, in shotguns and pistols.
>
>He meant non-firearms Martial Arts. Now I'm curious too. What Martial
>Arts do you train?
>
>> http://www.trainerbryan.com/files/pow.jpg
>
>It looks good on Dirty Harry, but not on you.
>
>Peace favor your sword (IH)
I *would* wish a pox on the original idiot who cross-posted his
question about the naginata and brought us all together to begin with,
but this is turning out to be too much fun.
For all you martial-arts-related groups guys....if you're suddenly
noticing a bunch of posts from names you've never seen before...guess
why. It's because we're not posting your group. We're posting to our
group (fj.life.in-japan). Through the miracle of cross-posting we are
all brought together. You asking us in what martial arts we train
makes about as much sense as us asking you about living in Japan.
Neither is likely to get a satisfactory answer, though both are likely
to get some delightful chuckles.
Kevin Gowen
> Kevin Gowen wrote:
>
>>> For that matter, do you train at all?
>>
>> Yes, in shotguns and pistols.
>
> He meant non-firearms Martial Arts. Now I'm curious too. What
> Martial Arts do you train?
If you mean those that do not use firearms, then none.
>> http://www.trainerbryan.com/files/pow.jpg
>
> It looks good on Dirty Harry, but not on you.
Dirty Harry carried a .44 Magum. I carry a .45 ACP.
Ass clown.
> Peace favor your sword (IH)
> --
> "In these modern times, many men are wounded for not having weapons or
> knowledge of their use."
> -Achille Marozzo, 1536
--
Kevin Gowen
> Kevin Gowen wrote:
>
>>> For that matter, do you train at all?
>>
>> Yes, in shotguns and pistols.
>
> He meant non-firearms Martial Arts. Now I'm curious too. What
> Martial Arts do you train?
Oops, I forgot. I train in 拳銃道.
>> http://www.trainerbryan.com/files/pow.jpg
>
> It looks good on Dirty Harry, but not on you.
>
> Peace favor your sword (IH)
> --
> "In these modern times, many men are wounded for not having weapons or
> knowledge of their use."
> -Achille Marozzo, 1536
--
Kevin Gowen
> On Mon, 09 Sep 2002 16:05:02 -0400, Kirk Lawson
> <NO_lklaw...@heapy.com.SPAMSUX> graced the assembled masses with:
>
>> Kevin Gowen wrote:
>>
>>>> For that matter, do you train at all?
>>>
>>> Yes, in shotguns and pistols.
>>
>> He meant non-firearms Martial Arts. Now I'm curious too. What
>> Martial Arts do you train?
>>
>>> http://www.trainerbryan.com/files/pow.jpg
>>
>> It looks good on Dirty Harry, but not on you.
>>
>> Peace favor your sword (IH)
>
> I *would* wish a pox on the original idiot who cross-posted his
> question about the naginata and brought us all together to begin with,
> but this is turning out to be too much fun.
>
> For all you martial-arts-related groups guys....if you're suddenly
> noticing a bunch of posts from names you've never seen before...guess
> why. It's because we're not posting your group. We're posting to our
> group (fj.life.in-japan). Through the miracle of cross-posting we are
> all brought together. You asking us in what martial arts we train
> makes about as much sense as us asking you about living in Japan.
> Neither is likely to get a satisfactory answer, though both are likely
> to get some delightful chuckles.
I don't know about you, Mike, but whenever one of these crossposting
debaucles happens I feel like I am in a summer camp movie like "Meatballs".
It's weird, but somehow I think of groups as physical location, as if I
could go on a raid in the martial arts group and take away all their books
by Ashida Kim and Stephen Hayes. I don't think I want to peek in their
showers, though. The question is, what kind of camp is FJLIJ? Are we a
scrappy band of loveable misfits, or the rich kids camp? Actually, forget
that I asked.
iso
Michael Cash <mike...@sunfield.ne.jp> wrote in message news:<90cpnuo7qbib69hb8...@4ax.com>...
> On 9 Sep 2002 06:14:12 -0700, iso_angel...@yahoo.com (iso)
> graced the assembled masses with:
>
> >This is a female only m.a. using a long stick with a blade tied at one
> >end, created to be used by the wives of samurai to protect the castle
> >when the husbands were away. :) Thanks.
>
> Damn. And all this time I thought the naginata was created to be used
> as a sort of semi-standoff weapon to allow soldiers with a minimal
> amount of training in the use of their weapon to defeat guys with
> swords.
>
> PS: If you see the ghost of Benkei, don't tell him he was famous for
> using some sissified weapon.
Kevin Wayne Williams
>
> ...whenever one of these crossposting
> debaucles happens I feel like I am in a summer camp movie like "Meatballs".
> It's weird, but somehow I think of groups as physical location, as if I
> could go on a raid in the martial arts group and take away all their books
> by Ashida Kim and Stephen Hayes. I don't think I want to peek in their
> showers, though. The question is, what kind of camp is FJLIJ? Are we a
> scrappy band of loveable misfits, or the rich kids camp? Actually, forget
> that I asked.
>
I think that the "Island of Misfit Toys" is appropriate.
KWW
Don Wagner
>Your answer was quick, but not accurate.
Bull. The weapon they were asking for was the naginata.
Women were only allowed to practice this martial art for a period of
time. Not that men couldn't and didn't, mind you.
Today it's practiced by men, wpmen and kids.
All accucate statements.
>I didn't ask what time frame it appears to be. Try again. Incidentally, I
>did a search of Japanese web pages, and I've not been able to find one that
>supports you claim. For example, it would seem to me that your claim would
>be substantiated by this page, but it isn't:
>http://ww3.tiki.ne.jp/~rumiya/nagisetsu.html
Then you didn't search worth a shit.
http://www.scnf.org/
>According to this definition, which supports the information of the previous
>page, the weapon appeared during the Heian era (794-1192), and was no longer
>a weapon of choice after the Warring States period in light of the advance
>of the spear. However, note the last sentence of "江戸時代には婦人も用いた。
>" i.e. it was used by women in the Edo period (1603-1867). Hmm...17th
>century. You're only off by about 700 years.
Was I? Read my statement again and see if I gave an end preiod.
>Of course, nothing in the definition or the other sources says that naginata
>was the only martial art that women were allowed to practice, simply that
>you were wrong in your statement of the time periods that women were using
>the naginata. Now, please cite a source, preferably Japanese, that supports
>your claim. For example, some sort of edict, law, or proclamation of the
>era. How's your 古文? If you can't read Japanese, well, that's not your
>fault.
Can't read Japanese at all. What I can do is answer a simple question
without behaving like the question didn't deserve an answer/
>Then why did you reply to me at all?
I like you, Kevin. You appear to be worth the effort.
>I thought so. I like the one where some midgets flip out on him.
Can't have a good porn film without midgets.
>You can be honest with me.
I'll try.
>No.
Come on, be honest.
>Yes, in shotguns and pistols.
>http://www.trainerbryan.com/files/pow.jpg
Oh my! I've never encountered a, what do you call it?
"Thunder-Stick"...before.
;-)
Kevin Gowen
> "Kevin Gowen" <kgowen...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>> Your answer was quick, but not accurate.
>
> Bull. The weapon they were asking for was the naginata.
There were asking about the naginata like a person who asks "what race loves
menthol cigarettes and fried chicken?" is asking about blacks.
> Women were only allowed to practice this martial art for a period of
> time.
Which period of time was that? Again, you have cited no source that women
were only permitted to use the naginata.
> Not that men couldn't and didn't, mind you.
I never said otherwise.
> Today it's practiced by men, wpmen and kids.
>
> All accucate statements.
No, they aren't all accucate [sic].
>> I didn't ask what time frame it appears to be. Try again.
>> Incidentally, I did a search of Japanese web pages, and I've not
>> been able to find one that supports you claim. For example, it would
>> seem to me that your claim would be substantiated by this page, but
>> it isn't: http://ww3.tiki.ne.jp/~rumiya/nagisetsu.html
>
> Then you didn't search worth a shit.
> http://www.scnf.org/
Unless I woke up in Japan this morning, the web site of the "Southern
California Naginata Federation!" (with two new dojos in Lincoln, Nebraska
and Tallahassee, Florida!) is not a Japanese web page. Note that I said that
I have not found a *Japanese* page that supports your claim.
>> According to this definition, which supports the information of the
>> previous page, the weapon appeared during the Heian era (794-1192),
>> and was no longer a weapon of choice after the Warring States period
>> in light of the advance of the spear. However, note the last
>> sentence of "江戸時代には婦人も用いた。 " i.e. it was used by women in
the Edo
>> period (1603-1867). Hmm...17th century. You're only off by about 700
>> years.
>
> Was I?
Yes, you were.
> Read my statement again and see if I gave an end preiod.
Irrelevant. You gave a beginning period of "approximately the 10th century
*and* later". According to the only Japanese documentation I could find, use
by women began in the 17th century.
>> Of course, nothing in the definition or the other sources says that
>> naginata was the only martial art that women were allowed to
>> practice, simply that you were wrong in your statement of the time
>> periods that women were using the naginata. Now, please cite a
>> source, preferably Japanese, that supports your claim. For example,
>> some sort of edict, law, or proclamation of the era. How's your 古文?
>> If you can't read Japanese, well, that's not your fault.
>
> Can't read Japanese at all.
I see. That must be why you mistook the website of the "Southern California
Naginata Federation!" for a Japanese website.
> What I can do is answer a simple question
> without behaving like the question didn't deserve an answer/
Did it?
>> Then why did you reply to me at all?
>
> I like you, Kevin. You appear to be worth the effort.
How many times have you seen "Steel Magnolias"?
>> I thought so. I like the one where some midgets flip out on him.
>
> Can't have a good porn film without midgets.
>
>> You can be honest with me.
>
> I'll try.
>
>> No.
>
> Come on, be honest.
>
>> Yes, in shotguns and pistols.
>> http://www.trainerbryan.com/files/pow.jpg
>
> Oh my! I've never encountered a, what do you call it?
> "Thunder-Stick"...before.
> ;-)
> --Don--
> Let me show you how the guards used to do it...
--
hal
>Kirk Lawson wrote:
>> Kevin Gowen wrote:
>>
>>>> For that matter, do you train at all?
>>>
>>> Yes, in shotguns and pistols.
>>
>> He meant non-firearms Martial Arts. Now I'm curious too. What
>> Martial Arts do you train?
>
>If you mean those that do not use firearms, then none.
>
>>> http://www.trainerbryan.com/files/pow.jpg
>>
>> It looks good on Dirty Harry, but not on you.
>
>Dirty Harry carried a .44 Magum. I carry a .45 ACP.
Well, if that's you aiming the .45, I would dare suggest you need more
training. Nobody that knows how to shoot closes they weak eye.
Hal
Kevin Gowen
> On Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:03:25 -0400, wrote:
>
>> Kirk Lawson wrote:
>>> Kevin Gowen wrote:
>>>
>>>>> For that matter, do you train at all?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, in shotguns and pistols.
>>>
>>> He meant non-firearms Martial Arts. Now I'm curious too. What
>>> Martial Arts do you train?
>>
>> If you mean those that do not use firearms, then none.
>>
>>>> http://www.trainerbryan.com/files/pow.jpg
>>>
>>> It looks good on Dirty Harry, but not on you.
>>
>> Dirty Harry carried a .44 Magum. I carry a .45 ACP.
>
> Well, if that's you aiming the .45, I would dare suggest you need more
> training. Nobody that knows how to shoot closes they weak eye.
A true Scotsman does.
Louise Bremner
> In my class, there were only two guys. All the rest were women and
> children. I was such a rarity that one of the sports dailies came out
> and did an article on it. Had I been a female, I doubt they would have
> cared.
They would. Believe me--they would. Even more so if you were cute, of
course.
________________________________________________________________________
Louise Bremner (log at gol dot com)
If you want a reply by e-mail, don't write to my Yahoo address!
Michael Cash
Bremner) graced the assembled masses with:
>Michael Cash <mike...@sunfield.ne.jp> wrote:
>
>> In my class, there were only two guys. All the rest were women and
>> children. I was such a rarity that one of the sports dailies came out
>> and did an article on it. Had I been a female, I doubt they would have
>> cared.
>
>They would. Believe me--they would. Even more so if you were cute, of
>course.
I'm no Dash Riprock, but I am still quite a handsome fellow.
Michael Cash
with:
>Nobody that knows how to shoot closes they weak eye.
Thank you for posting in Ebonics. For a fleeting moment, I felt like I
was back home again (where even we crackers talk like that).
rose
Michael Cash wrote:
>
> I'm no Dash Riprock, but I am still quite a handsome fellow.
Brad pitt looks like you with his beard.
□■ <:３ ）～
■楽猫 <:３ ）～
Shuurai
> This is a female only m.a. using a long stick with a blade tied at one
> end, created to be used by the wives of samurai to protect the castle
> when the husbands were away. :) Thanks.
You're thinking of the naginata, which is a form a halberd. It was not
really a "female only" weapon - plenty of men used the naginata. However,
it was considered a suitable weapon for a woman to learn - in part because
it allowed her to maintain (in theory anyway) some distance from her opponent.
Basically the idea was to give her a fighting chance in the event that the
home was invaded.
Michael Cash
graced the assembled masses with:
>
>
>Michael Cash wrote:
>>
>> I'm no Dash Riprock, but I am still quite a handsome fellow.
>
>Brad pitt looks like you with his beard.
I am much more handsome than Burapi. Thank you for saying that he
looks like me, and not that I look like him.
I just recently re-watched "Seven", despite the fact that Burapi is in
it. Morgan Freeman more than made up for Burapi's presence.
Kirk Lawson
>
> Kirk Lawson wrote:
> > Kevin Gowen wrote:
> >
> >>> For that matter, do you train at all?
> >>
> >> Yes, in shotguns and pistols.
> >
> > He meant non-firearms Martial Arts. Now I'm curious too. What
> > Martial Arts do you train?
>
> If you mean those that do not use firearms,
That's what "non-firearms Martial Arts" means. It's pretty obvious.
> then none.
Kinda what I thought. <shrug>
>
> >> http://www.trainerbryan.com/files/pow.jpg
> >
> > It looks good on Dirty Harry, but not on you.
>
> Dirty Harry carried a .44 Magum. I carry a .45 ACP.
Not relevant. The point that you so nimbly sidestepped is that you
still look silly sighting down into a webcam. It's the sort of thing
Dirty Harry wannabes do.
> Ass clown.
That's the best you could come up with?
(IH)
--
"In these modern times, many men are wounded for not having weapons or
knowledge of their use."
-Achille Marozzo, 1536
--
Don Wagner
>Unless I woke up in Japan this morning, the web site of the "Southern
>California Naginata Federation!" (with two new dojos in Lincoln, Nebraska
>and Tallahassee, Florida!) is not a Japanese web page. Note that I said that
>I have not found a *Japanese* page that supports your claim.
I didn't find a Ugandan website specializing in dog sled maintenance.
I guess it doesn't exist.
Seeing as how the majority of all websites are in English I don't see
a problem with using one, especially on that is devotes to practicing
the weapon style.
>Irrelevant. You gave a beginning period of "approximately the 10th century
>*and* later". According to the only Japanese documentation I could find, use
>by women began in the 17th century.
Then you need to continue to do more research.
>> What I can do is answer a simple question
>> without behaving like the question didn't deserve an answer/
>
>Did it?
Sure. Someone asked a question...a simple one, and you behaved like a
child.
>How many times have you seen "Steel Magnolias"?
Once...under protest.
How many times have you watched "Batman" reruns while dubbing your
voice over Robins?
--Don--
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Kirk Lawson
> >Yes, in shotguns and pistols.
> >http://www.trainerbryan.com/files/pow.jpg
>
> Oh my! I've never encountered a, what do you call it?
> "Thunder-Stick"...before.
> ;-)
> --Don--
> Let me show you how the guards used to do it...
Ash would have called it a "Boom Stick" for the edification of the
primitive screws.
Peace favor your sword (IH)
Kevin Gowen
> Kevin Gowen wrote:
>>
>> Kirk Lawson wrote:
>>> Kevin Gowen wrote:
>>>
>>>>> For that matter, do you train at all?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, in shotguns and pistols.
>>>
>>> He meant non-firearms Martial Arts. Now I'm curious too. What
>>> Martial Arts do you train?
>>
>> If you mean those that do not use firearms,
>
> That's what "non-firearms Martial Arts" means.
Yes, that it what it means.
> It's pretty obvious.
Oh, I see. You think that the sentence "He meant non-firearms Martial Arts"
somehow modifies your question of "What Martial Arts do you train?". It
doesn't.
>> then none.
>
> Kinda what I thought. <shrug>
Ok. I guess you think that this matters for some reason. How long have you
lived in Japan?
>>>> http://www.trainerbryan.com/files/pow.jpg
>>>
>>> It looks good on Dirty Harry, but not on you.
>>
>> Dirty Harry carried a .44 Magnum. I carry a .45 ACP.
>
> Not relevant.
Entirely relevant.
> The point that you so nimbly sidestepped is that you
> still look silly sighting down into a webcam.
It wasn't a webcam. I have two things on me bigger than my mouth. In that
picture, you can see one of them. That's all I can show you. I'm sorry if
you want to see the other one. (not that there's anything wrng with that)
> It's the sort of thing
> Dirty Harry wannabes do.
I'm not a Dirty Harry wannabe. I'm an Abe Vigoda wannabe.
>> Ass clown.
>
> That's the best you could come up with?
There is nothing better. It is the ultimate.
> (IH)
> --
> "In these modern times, many men are wounded for not having weapons or
> knowledge of their use."
> -Achille Marozzo, 1536
--
Kevin Gowen
> "Kevin Gowen" <kgowen...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>> Unless I woke up in Japan this morning, the web site of the "Southern
>> California Naginata Federation!" (with two new dojos in Lincoln,
>> Nebraska and Tallahassee, Florida!) is not a Japanese web page. Note
>> that I said that I have not found a *Japanese* page that supports
>> your claim.
>
> I didn't find a Ugandan website specializing in dog sled maintenance.
> I guess it doesn't exist.
Apples and oranges. Uganda didn't use the dog sled for approximately 1000
years of its history. There is a very good reason why I did not use solely
English language sources when writing my master's thesis in Japanese
history, and why I had to show proficiency in Japanese as a requirement for
receiving my M.A.
> Seeing as how the majority of all websites are in English
But not the number of pages that talk about the naginata. See below for
more.
> I don't see
> a problem with using one, especially on that is devotes to practicing
> the weapon style.
The relevance is that it is a Japanese weapon, about which you made certain
historical claims. It is very curious that out of 25,900 Japanese web pages
that mention the naginata (as opposed to 16,700 English pages that contain
the term "naginata"), not one of them says anything to the effect of "this
is the only weapon in which women were allowed to train". It seems to be
that such a key fact about the weapon would appear often, but it doesn't
appear at all. Curious, in light of the claim that EVERYONE KNOWS that
naginata was the only weapon that women were permitted to use. You haven't
even expanded on what it means to be "permitted". I persume you will point
to a legal source such as a law or edict.
>> Irrelevant. You gave a beginning period of "approximately the 10th
>> century *and* later". According to the only Japanese documentation I
>> could find, use by women began in the 17th century.
>
> Then you need to continue to do more research.
No, I don't. In fact, I didn't need to do any research. It is your claim,
therefore the onus is on you to support it. Run along.
>>> What I can do is answer a simple question
>>> without behaving like the question didn't deserve an answer/
>>
>> Did it?
>
> Sure. Someone asked a question...a simple one, and you behaved like a
> child.
In what way?
>> How many times have you seen "Steel Magnolias"?
>
> Once...under protest.
You wanted to see "Ice Castles" instead?
P.S. Whoosh.
> How many times have you watched "Batman" reruns while dubbing your
> voice over Robins?
Hmmm....109.
> --Don--
> The beatings will continue until morale improves.
--
Don Wagner
>That's the best you could come up with?
Hey, we're working with a guy that probably runs a Gamera
website...cut him some slack, Kirk.
;-)
Kevin Gowen
> Kirk Lawson <NO_lklaw...@heapy.com.SPAMSUX> wrote:
>> That's the best you could come up with?
>
> Hey, we're working with a guy that probably runs a Gamera
> website...cut him some slack, Kirk.
> ;-)
I don't run a Gamera website.
> --Don--
> Let me show you how the guards used to do it...
--
Joao de Souza
Kevin Gowen wrote:
>
> I don't run a Gamera website.
Prove it.
Kevin Gowen
I cannot. You see, educated people know that it is logically impossible to
prove a negative proposition. I might as well ask you to prove that you
never birthed a plaid aardvark from your anus.
Kirk Lawson
>
> Kirk Lawson <NO_lklaw...@heapy.com.SPAMSUX> wrote:
> >That's the best you could come up with?
>
> Hey, we're working with a guy that probably runs a Gamera
> website...cut him some slack, Kirk.
> ;-)
Everyone knows Mothra and Mecha-Godzilla rocked (not to forget Godzuki
of course).
Apparently Ultra-Man is getting a new U.S. series.
Go figure.
Peace favor your sword (IH)
Kirk Lawson
>
> Kirk Lawson wrote:
> > Kevin Gowen wrote:
> >>
> >> Kirk Lawson wrote:
> >>> Kevin Gowen wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> For that matter, do you train at all?
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, in shotguns and pistols.
> >>>
> >>> He meant non-firearms Martial Arts. Now I'm curious too. What
> >>> Martial Arts do you train?
> >>
> >> If you mean those that do not use firearms,
> >
> > That's what "non-firearms Martial Arts" means.
>
> Yes, that it what it means.
Then why ask the question? Oh yeah, you were trying to "score points"
or something silly.
>
> > It's pretty obvious.
>
> Oh, I see. You think that the sentence "He meant non-firearms Martial Arts"
> somehow modifies your question of "What Martial Arts do you train?". It
> doesn't.
Actually, yes it does. That's why the question was made specific. It'd
be the same thing if the question was specifying what "sword arts" you
studied and would exclude any art that didn't teach a "sword" weapon.
> >> then none.
> >
> > Kinda what I thought. <shrug>
>
> Ok. I guess you think that this matters for some reason. How long have you
> lived in Japan?
Who cares? No one. I asked about martial arts (specifically,
non-firearms martial arts). Do you suppose that Japan is the origin of
all martial arts or that only those who live in Japan have any knowledge
of martial arts? Are you suggesting that you have more knowledge of
martial arts in general then various denizens of the 'net who actually
practice martial arts (particularly in a group dedicated to martial arts
- rec.martial-arts)?
> >>>> http://www.trainerbryan.com/files/pow.jpg
> >>>
> >>> It looks good on Dirty Harry, but not on you.
> >>
> >> Dirty Harry carried a .44 Magnum. I carry a .45 ACP.
> >
> > Not relevant.
>
> Entirely relevant.
Then you're dense.
> > The point that you so nimbly sidestepped is that you
> > still look silly sighting down into a webcam.
>
> It wasn't a webcam. I have two things on me bigger than my mouth. In that
> picture, you can see one of them. That's all I can show you. I'm sorry if
> you want to see the other one. (not that there's anything wrng with that)
Still trying to sidestep I see. I'll say it again. That's a Dirty
Harry wanabe type picture. It makes you look like a Dirty Harry
wanabe. You're whole demeanor thus far supports this conclusion.
On a side note, I was curious how long till you started with homosexual
references/insults. You lasted longer then many grappling vrs striking
proponents, but not much.
>
> > It's the sort of thing
> > Dirty Harry wannabes do.
>
> I'm not a Dirty Harry wannabe. I'm an Abe Vigoda wannabe.
A wanabe is a wanabe.
> >> Ass clown.
> >
> > That's the best you could come up with?
>
> There is nothing better. It is the ultimate.
Sad.
(IH)
--
"In these modern times, many men are wounded for not having weapons or
knowledge of their use."
-Achille Marozzo, 1536
--
Kevin Gowen
> Kevin Gowen wrote:
>>
>> Kirk Lawson wrote:
>>> Kevin Gowen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Kirk Lawson wrote:
>>>>> Kevin Gowen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> For that matter, do you train at all?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, in shotguns and pistols.
>>>>>
>>>>> He meant non-firearms Martial Arts. Now I'm curious too. What
>>>>> Martial Arts do you train?
>>>>
>>>> If you mean those that do not use firearms,
>>>
>>> That's what "non-firearms Martial Arts" means.
>>
>> Yes, that it what it means.
>
> Then why ask the question? Oh yeah, you were trying to "score points"
> or something silly.
Not at all. See below.
>>> It's pretty obvious.
>>
>> Oh, I see. You think that the sentence "He meant non-firearms
>> Martial Arts" somehow modifies your question of "What Martial Arts
>> do you train?". It doesn't.
>
> Actually, yes it does.
No, it doesn't. You may wish to switch from martial arts to language arts.
> That's why the question was made specific.
Yes, the specific question was "What Martial Arts [sic] do you train?
[sic]". Point to the part that refers to firearms or the lack thereof.
> It'd be the same thing if the question was specifying what "sword
> arts" you studied and would exclude any art that didn't teach a
> "sword" weapon.
That would not be the same thing. The question about sword arts has the
modifier "sword". Your question had no such modifier. Really, it's ok. If
you work at it, you can improve upon your sloppy prose.
>>>> then none.
>>>
>>> Kinda what I thought. <shrug>
>>
>> Ok. I guess you think that this matters for some reason. How long
>> have you lived in Japan?
>
> Who cares? No one.
Au contraire.
> I asked about martial arts
Yes.
> (specifically,
> non-firearms martial arts).
No.
> Do you suppose that Japan is the origin
> of all martial arts or that only those who live in Japan have any
> knowledge of martial arts?
I see you practice Straw Man Do.
> Are you suggesting that you have more
> knowledge of martial arts in general then various denizens of the
> 'net who actually practice martial arts (particularly in a group
> dedicated to martial arts
> - rec.martial-arts)?
I asked because this is fj.life.in-japan, a newsgroup about life in Japan.
>>>>>> http://www.trainerbryan.com/files/pow.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks good on Dirty Harry, but not on you.
>>>>
>>>> Dirty Harry carried a .44 Magnum. I carry a .45 ACP.
>>>
>>> Not relevant.
>>
>> Entirely relevant.
>
> Then you're dense.
Not at all. I just happen to have actually seen a Dirty Harry movie.
>>> The point that you so nimbly sidestepped is that you
>>> still look silly sighting down into a webcam.
>>
>> It wasn't a webcam. I have two things on me bigger than my mouth. In
>> that picture, you can see one of them. That's all I can show you.
>> I'm sorry if you want to see the other one. (not that there's
>> anything wring with that)
>
> Still trying to sidestep I see. I'll say it again. That's a Dirty
> Harry wanabe type picture.
I see you have shifted your ground again.
> It makes you look like a Dirty Harry
> wanabe.
I am an Abe Vigoda wannabe. That should be obvious from the picture.
> You're whole demeanor thus far supports this conclusion.
Cite specifics.
> On a side note, I was curious how long till you started with
> homosexual references/insults. You lasted longer then many grappling
> vrs striking proponents, but not much.
When did I refer to homosexuality? Is there something about yourself that
you want to share with the group?
>>> It's the sort of thing
>>> Dirty Harry wannabes do.
>>
>> I'm not a Dirty Harry wannabe. I'm an Abe Vigoda wannabe.
>
> A wanabe is a wanabe.
Kind of like a marital art is a martial art?
>>>> Ass clown.
>>>
>>> That's the best you could come up with?
>>
>> There is nothing better. It is the ultimate.
>
> Sad.
A sad ass clown?
BTW, you seem to be functionally illiterate. Is English your native language
?
> (IH)
> --
> "In these modern times, many men are wounded for not having weapons or
> knowledge of their use."
> -Achille Marozzo, 1536
--
Kirk Lawson
>
> Joao de Souza wrote:
> > Kevin Gowen wrote:
> >>
> >> I don't run a Gamera website.
> >
> > Prove it.
>
> I cannot. You see, educated people know that it is logically impossible to
> prove a negative proposition. I might as well ask you to prove that you
> never birthed a plaid aardvark from your anus.
Ah. I see that humor, like logic, is also lost on you.
I think that Don was probably wrong about you. I doubt you're "worth
the effort" of replying to. Maybe you'll prove me wrong. <shrug>
Kevin Gowen
> Kevin Gowen wrote:
>>
>> Joao de Souza wrote:
>>> Kevin Gowen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I don't run a Gamera website.
>>>
>>> Prove it.
>>
>> I cannot. You see, educated people know that it is logically
>> impossible to prove a negative proposition. I might as well ask you
>> to prove that you never birthed a plaid aardvark from your anus.
>
> Ah. I see that humor, like logic, is also lost on you.
Joao is a big boy. I am sure he can rely for himself. But, let's pretend
that humor was lost on me. Please point to it.
> I think that Don was probably wrong about you. I doubt you're "worth
> the effort" of replying to.
Then why persist?
> Maybe you'll prove me wrong. <shrug>
I thought I was the only one who discounted everything you say.
> (IH)
> --
> "In these modern times, many men are wounded for not having weapons or
> knowledge of their use."
> -Achille Marozzo, 1536
--
Joao de Souza
Kevin Gowen wrote:
>
> You see, educated people know that it is logically impossible to
> prove a negative proposition.
Educated people also know how to use a dictionary. Go buy one, then
look up the word "sarcasm".
Educated people also know that, when they are in a discussion, and
*everyone* else disagrees with their point of view, they might want to
reexamine their position. Learning plays a big part in the education
process.
> I might as well ask you to prove that you
> never birthed a plaid aardvark from your anus.
As an <cough>educated person</cough>, I'm guessing you must be speaking
from experience?
Kevin Gowen
> Kevin Gowen wrote:
>>
>> You see, educated people know that it is logically impossible to
>> prove a negative proposition.
>
> Educated people also know how to use a dictionary. Go buy one, then
> look up the word "sarcasm".
Ok. Which was the sarcastic part? I know you aren't suggesting that you were
using sarcasm.
P.S. Educated people also use motor vehicles.
> Educated people also know that, when they are in a discussion, and
> *everyone* else disagrees with their point of view, they might want to
> reexamine their position. Learning plays a big part in the education
> process.
Actually, only one person has disagreed with my point of view. Everyone
else, including you, has engaged in nothing but ad hominems.
>> I might as well ask you to prove that you
>> never birthed a plaid aardvark from your anus.
>
> As an <cough>educated person</cough>, I'm guessing you must be
> speaking from experience?
Your father didn't show you the pictures?
Joao de Souza
Kevin Gowen wrote:
>
> Ok. Which was the sarcastic part? I know you aren't suggesting that you were
> using sarcasm.
Oh dear.... This one is a sharp as a pound of liver.
> P.S. Educated people also use motor vehicles.
Look! He has learned how to use google!
And what does the fact that I'm a bicycle commuter enters into this?
And what does cycling have to do with lack of education, oh great
educated one?
> Actually, only one person has disagreed with my point of view. Everyone
> else, including you, has engaged in nothing but ad hominems.
I count 7 (Luis, Don, Remi, MH, Kaminarikum, Eric, Shuurai), plus all
the folks at http://www.scnf.org/
As far as the "ad hominems", I made a little joke. You're just too
thick to get it.
Matthew Weigel
>Oh, I see. You think that the sentence "He meant non-firearms
>Martial Arts" somehow modifies your question of "What Martial
>Arts do you train?". It doesn't.
What an idiot.
There is communication, and then there is the self-righteous
playing of games to "win." You're not very good at either.
But if you are pretending to be trying at the former, don't
forget that half of communication is hearing what the other
person is trying to say.
--
Matthew Weigel
Research Systems Programmer
mcwe...@cs.cmu.edu
Kirk Lawson
>
> Kevin Gowen wrote:
> >
> > Ok. Which was the sarcastic part? I know you aren't suggesting that you were
> > using sarcasm.
>
> Oh dear.... This one is a sharp as a pound of liver.
You give him too much credit.
I just got done reading some of his "replies" to me.
Can't separate that someone can be a Dirty Harry wanabe and have some
different caliber gun.
Can't admit when he makes a simple implication of Homosexuality.
Fun stuff like that.
Vaguely amusing but not much more.
>
> > P.S. Educated people also use motor vehicles.
>
> Look! He has learned how to use google!
I suspect some one helped him.
> > Actually, only one person has disagreed with my point of view. Everyone
> > else, including you, has engaged in nothing but ad hominems.
>
> I count 7 (Luis, Don, Remi, MH, Kaminarikum, Eric, Shuurai), plus all
> the folks at http://www.scnf.org/
I'm still waiting for him to indicate what his source of expertise in
the matter is. He's "admitted" that he doesn't practice martial arts
(outside of owning a gun and sighting down it at webcams while trying to
look menacing) to say nothing of using the Naginatta. In fact, this
seems to be one of his primary sources of confusion: that one might
question him on his training and experience while *excluding* firearms
from the picture. Apparently he thinks it's not possible to do.
> As far as the "ad hominems", I made a little joke. You're just too
> thick to get it.
Well, as he has well proven, he's too thick to get a lot of things.
<shrug>
Peace favor your sword (IH)
Matthew Weigel
>> I think that Don was probably wrong about you. I doubt you're "worth
>> the effort" of replying to.
>
>Then why persist?
What else do you do while your code is compiling? I mean, after
you've gone for lunch three times?
Matthew Weigel
>I'm still waiting for him to indicate what his source of expertise in
>the matter is.
Master's in Japanese history, apparently.
Which, really, does give his statements of historical fact in
Japan some weight; but doesn't really support his ass clown
nature. I'm sure PhDs see it about the same as some martial
artists have described "brown belt syndrome."
It also doesn't change the fact that he is pretentious,
unwilling to try to understand what people are saying, and
incapable of being helpful rather than condescending.
Kevin Wayne Williams
> Kirk Lawson <NO_lklaw...@heapy.com.SPAMSUX> wrote:
>
>
>>I'm still waiting for him to indicate what his source of expertise in
>>the matter is.
>>
>
> Master's in Japanese history, apparently.
>
> Which, really, does give his statements of historical fact in
> Japan some weight; but doesn't really support his ass clown
> nature. I'm sure PhDs see it about the same as some martial
> artists have described "brown belt syndrome."
>
> It also doesn't change the fact that he is pretentious,
> unwilling to try to understand what people are saying, and
> incapable of being helpful rather than condescending.
I don't think that any denies that KG is an asshole. To tell the truth,
I don't think that KG denies that KG is an asshole.
We have, as a group, decided that Rose doesn't have one, though.
KWW
Kirk Lawson
>
> Kevin Gowen <kgowen...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>
> >> I think that Don was probably wrong about you. I doubt you're "worth
> >> the effort" of replying to.
> >
> >Then why persist?
>
> What else do you do while your code is compiling? I mean, after
> you've gone for lunch three times?
The other two are cigarette breaks.
The others find it strange since they know I don't smoke.
Next time I think I'm gonna have to tell them it's an alcohol break or
something. :P
Peace favor your sword (IH)
--
"In these modern times, many men are wounded for not having weapons or
knowledge of their use."
-Achille Marozzo, 1536
--
Kirk Lawson
>
> Kirk Lawson <NO_lklaw...@heapy.com.SPAMSUX> wrote:
>
> >I'm still waiting for him to indicate what his source of expertise in
> >the matter is.
>
> Master's in Japanese history, apparently.
>
> Which, really, does give his statements of historical fact in
> Japan some weight;
I would agree. If that is his source of expertise. I'm still waiting.
> but doesn't really support his ass clown
> nature. I'm sure PhDs see it about the same as some martial
> artists have described "brown belt syndrome."
Well, I suspect you're right. I don't talk to many PhDs any more, but
when I did have the opportunity often that did seem to be the general
understanding.
> It also doesn't change the fact that he is pretentious,
> unwilling to try to understand what people are saying, and
> incapable of being helpful rather than condescending.
His first post was pretentious and condescending. After that he's been
more pretentious and aggressive; purposely misreading in order to argue.
Normally, I'd say he should fit right in at RMA but he comes across as
too evasive. Doesn't really stand on any one point. Even Ketho would
pick a single theme per thread.
Matthew Weigel
>> Which, really, does give his statements of historical fact in
>> Japan some weight;
>
>I would agree. If that is his source of expertise. I'm still waiting.
I'm pretty sure I saw him make the claim. Since none of the
regulars on the other groups appear to be jumping on him about
it, it seems safe.
>Normally, I'd say he should fit right in at RMA but he comes
>across as too evasive.
It's that gun training... he's equating himself being "nailed
down" with being "nailed." :-)
Matthew Weigel
>I don't think that any denies that KG is an asshole. To tell the truth,
>I don't think that KG denies that KG is an asshole.
The prosecution rests.
But really, it *does* seem like someone that wants to discuss
things would be interested in actually, well, discussing
them... asshole or not.
Rob
news:allgsj$kmt$1...@cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu...
> Kevin Gowen <kgowen...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>
> >Oh, I see. You think that the sentence "He meant non-firearms
> >Martial Arts" somehow modifies your question of "What Martial
> >Arts do you train?". It doesn't.
>
> What an idiot.
>
> There is communication, and then there is the self-righteous
> playing of games to "win." You're not very good at either.
>
> But if you are pretending to be trying at the former, don't
> forget that half of communication is hearing what the other
> person is trying to say.
Ha! That's the stupidest thing I've never heard. Oops, wait a minute...
Rob
Jason
(Don Wagner) wrote:
> "Kevin Gowen" <kgowen...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
> >I notice that you didn't even bat an eye at the poster's implication that
> >samurai lived in castles.
>
> Why bother? They asked a question because they don't have a framework
> to work with. They didn't get a simple answer from you so I answered
> it quickly and accuractely.
>
> >> At one time in Japan's history, Naginata was the only martial art that
> >> women were allowed to practice.
> >
> >What time was that?
>
> It appears to be approximately the 10th century and later, although I
> can't find a specific time frame to narrow it down.
>
this is what Donn F Draeger writes about naginata in his book "Modern
bujutsu and budo"
"Prior to the Edo period the naginata, a heavy, long-handled, short-bladed
halberd, was mainly a man's weapon for use on the battlefield. In the
peaceful Edo period, however, the naginata became obsolete as a weapon of
war and was assigned to the women of warrior families for the defense of
their residence. Late in that same period a mock weapon resembling the
naginata became important in the physical education of women."
HTH
/Jason
Kevin Gowen
> Kevin Gowen <kgowen...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>>> I think that Don was probably wrong about you. I doubt you're
>>> "worth the effort" of replying to.
>>
>> Then why persist?
>
> What else do you do while your code is compiling? I mean, after
> you've gone for lunch three times?
A fat computer programmer. What a surprise.
Kevin Gowen
> Kevin Gowen <kgowen...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>> Oh, I see. You think that the sentence "He meant non-firearms
>> Martial Arts" somehow modifies your question of "What Martial
>> Arts do you train?". It doesn't.
>
> What an idiot.
Be nice to Kirk.
> There is communication, and then there is the self-righteous
> playing of games to "win." You're not very good at either.
Please elaborate, sensei. What issue of Black Belt magazine should I read to
rectify?
> But if you are pretending to be trying at the former, don't
> forget that half of communication is hearing what the other
> person is trying to say.
I have no problems with my vision.
Kevin Gowen
> Kevin Gowen wrote:
>>
>> Ok. Which was the sarcastic part? I know you aren't suggesting that
>> you were using sarcasm.
>
> Oh dear.... This one is a sharp as a pound of liver.
I see. There was no sarcasm.
>> P.S. Educated people also use motor vehicles.
>
> Look! He has learned how to use google!
Google's chat machine sucks. I use Yahoo's chat machine.
> And what does the fact that I'm a bicycle commuter enters into this?
Speaks to your education.
> And what does cycling have to do with lack of education, oh great
> educated one?
Educated people are familiar with the wonders of the internal combustion
engine. Oh! I went to EPCOT last week and I saw some guy mincing around on
one of those Segway scooter like a sissy.
>> Actually, only one person has disagreed with my point of view.
>> Everyone else, including you, has engaged in nothing but ad hominems.
>
> I count 7 (Luis, Don, Remi, MH, Kaminarikum, Eric, Shuurai),
Nope, ad hominems.
> plus all
> the folks at http://www.scnf.org/
I don't seem to recall them posting to this thread. BTW, are you also
including the new outlets, I mean, dojos, in Lincoln, Nebraska and
Tallahassee, Florida?
> As far as the "ad hominems", I made a little joke. You're just too
> thick to get it.
Oh, you think that I was referring to you. Wise up, Grape Nuts.
Kevin Gowen
> Joao de Souza wrote:
>>
>> Kevin Gowen wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok. Which was the sarcastic part? I know you aren't suggesting that
>>> you were using sarcasm.
>>
>> Oh dear.... This one is a sharp as a pound of liver.
>
> You give him too much credit.
>
> I just got done reading some of his "replies" to me.
>
> Can't separate that someone can be a Dirty Harry wanabe and have some
> different caliber gun.
Whoosh.
> Can't admit when he makes a simple implication of Homosexuality.
Again with the homosexuality thing. I never posted anything about
homsexuality. I think there is something you want to share with the group,
"Kirk".
> Fun stuff like that.
>
> Vaguely amusing but not much more.
>
>>
>>> P.S. Educated people also use motor vehicles.
>>
>> Look! He has learned how to use google!
>
> I suspect some one helped him.
>
>
>>> Actually, only one person has disagreed with my point of view.
>>> Everyone else, including you, has engaged in nothing but ad
>>> hominems.
>>
>> I count 7 (Luis, Don, Remi, MH, Kaminarikum, Eric, Shuurai), plus all
>> the folks at http://www.scnf.org/
>
> I'm still waiting for him to indicate what his source of expertise in
> the matter is.
I cited several Japanese sources.
> He's "admitted" that he doesn't practice martial arts
> (outside of owning a gun and sighting down it at webcams while trying
> to look menacing) to say nothing of using the Naginatta.
Fortunately, this does not matter.
> In fact,
> this seems to be one of his primary sources of confusion: that one
> might question him on his training and experience while *excluding*
> firearms from the picture. Apparently he thinks it's not possible to
> do.
Any martials arts training I may or may not have is irrelevant to the issue
at hand.
>> As far as the "ad hominems", I made a little joke. You're just too
>> thick to get it.
>
> Well, as he has well proven, he's too thick to get a lot of things.
> <shrug>
You sure are unsure about yourself, eh? I thought that rolling around in
your pajamas with other sweaty men was supposed to be a confidence builder.
> Peace favor your sword (IH)
> --
> "In these modern times, many men are wounded for not having weapons or
> knowledge of their use."
> -Achille Marozzo, 1536
--
Kevin Gowen
> Kirk Lawson <NO_lklaw...@heapy.com.SPAMSUX> wrote:
>
>> I'm still waiting for him to indicate what his source of expertise in
>> the matter is.
>
> Master's in Japanese history, apparently.
>
> Which, really, does give his statements of historical fact in
> Japan some weight; but doesn't really support his ass clown
> nature. I'm sure PhDs see it about the same as some martial
> artists have described "brown belt syndrome."
>
> It also doesn't change the fact that he is pretentious,
> unwilling to try to understand what people are saying, and
> incapable of being helpful rather than condescending.
This just in:
I am pretentious and condescending.
Check out the big brain on Matthew!
Kevin Gowen
Indeed, I will be the first person to proclaim this fact.
> We have, as a group, decided that Rose doesn't have one, though.
I've offered to help her with that, but she won't send me JPEGs.
> KWW
Kevin Gowen
> Kevin Wayne Williams <nih...@paxonet.kom> wrote:
>
>> I don't think that any denies that KG is an asshole. To tell the
>> truth, I don't think that KG denies that KG is an asshole.
>
> The prosecution rests.
Um, the prosecution doesn't need to rest when the accused freely admits.
People don't need to turn on the six o'clock news to find out that I am an
asshole.
> But really, it *does* seem like someone that wants to discuss
> things would be interested in actually, well, discussing
> them... asshole or not.
You guys sure are a hot-headed bunch. I thought that learning kung fu and so
on encouraged mental discipline. Why do you all light some candles or eat a
fortune cookie or do something Zen?
Robert Low
>Matthew Weigel wrote:
>[stuff]
>A fat computer programmer. What a surprise.
Hey, Matthew, you're fat. Hahaha!
(I just shudder to think what that makes me :-()
Kevin Gowen
> Matthew Weigel wrote:
>>
>> Kirk Lawson <NO_lklaw...@heapy.com.SPAMSUX> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm still waiting for him to indicate what his source of expertise
>>> in the matter is.
>>
>> Master's in Japanese history, apparently.
>>
>> Which, really, does give his statements of historical fact in
>> Japan some weight;
>
> I would agree. If that is his source of expertise. I'm still
> waiting.
I posted them some time ago.
>> but doesn't really support his ass clown
>> nature. I'm sure PhDs see it about the same as some martial
>> artists have described "brown belt syndrome."
>
> Well, I suspect you're right. I don't talk to many PhDs any more, but
> when I did have the opportunity often that did seem to be the general
> understanding.
Ah, I see. You think that it was a terminal M.A.
>> It also doesn't change the fact that he is pretentious,
>> unwilling to try to understand what people are saying, and
>> incapable of being helpful rather than condescending.
>
> His first post was pretentious and condescending. After that he's
> been more pretentious and aggressive; purposely misreading in order
> to argue.
I'm going to need a bigger boat.
> Normally, I'd say he should fit right in at RMA but he comes across as
> too evasive. Doesn't really stand on any one point. Even Ketho would
> pick a single theme per thread.
I simply move to keep in step with those who shift their ground i.e. you.
> Peace favor your sword (IH)
> --
> "In these modern times, many men are wounded for not having weapons or
> knowledge of their use."
> -Achille Marozzo, 1536
--
rose
Michael Cash wrote:
>
> I just recently re-watched "Seven", despite the fact that Burapi is in
> it.
If you want to see cute Burapi, check out A River Runs Through It.
He is cute as hell in that movie.
> Morgan Freeman
しらない。。
□■ <:３ ）～
■楽猫 <:３ ）～
Kevin Gowen
> Kirk Lawson <NO_lklaw...@heapy.com.SPAMSUX> wrote:
>
>>> Which, really, does give his statements of historical fact in
>>> Japan some weight;
>>
>> I would agree. If that is his source of expertise. I'm still
>> waiting.
>
> I'm pretty sure I saw him make the claim. Since none of the
> regulars on the other groups appear to be jumping on him about
> it, it seems safe.
If you want to jump on me, I am afraid that I will have to decline. But hey,
not that there's anything wrong with that.
>> Normally, I'd say he should fit right in at RMA but he comes
>> across as too evasive.
>
> It's that gun training... he's equating himself being "nailed
> down" with being "nailed." :-)
You and Kirk should get together.
Kevin Gowen
> Michael Cash wrote:
>>
>> I just recently re-watched "Seven", despite the fact that Burapi is
>> in it.
>
> If you want to see cute Burapi, check out A River Runs Through It.
> He is cute as hell in that movie.
>
>> Morgan Freeman
>
> しらない。。
That is because NIPPONJIN are racist.
>
>
> □■ <:３ ）～
> ■楽猫 <:３ ）～
Matthew Weigel
>> What else do you do while your code is compiling? I mean,
>> after you've gone for lunch three times?
>
>A fat computer programmer. What a surprise.
Good to see you can take bait when it's offered... that's the
first step towards sentience. The next step is stopping and
wondering, "is this a trap to make me look stupid?"
Actually neither myself nor Kirk is fat (at least from his
pictures- you haven't let yourself go have ya Kirk?), and both
very unlikely to have more than one lunch. Oh yeah; and both of
us are smarter and better-looking (when he's wearing a hat) than
you.
Kevin Gowen
> Kevin Gowen <kgowen...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>>> What else do you do while your code is compiling? I mean,
>>> after you've gone for lunch three times?
>>
>> A fat computer programmer. What a surprise.
>
> Good to see you can take bait when it's offered... that's the
> first step towards sentience. The next step is stopping and
> wondering, "is this a trap to make me look stupid?"
>
> Actually neither myself nor Kirk is fat (at least from his
> pictures- you haven't let yourself go have ya Kirk?), and both
> very unlikely to have more than one lunch.
When you were a kid, did you have a bike with coaster brakes?
> Oh yeah; and both of
> us are smarter and better-looking (when he's wearing a hat) than
> you.
As I said, you wo should get together, Just as well that you think I am not
as good-looking. You'd probably not be interested in a breeder like me, and
my BYJW would object, I suspect.
Matthew Weigel
>Be nice to Kirk.
Good, good, now you've progressed from "looking for ways to
reasonably misread someone" to "looking for ways to unreasonably
misread someone."
You're well on your way to being more than an ineffectual troll.
Matthew Weigel
>You guys sure are a hot-headed bunch. I thought that learning
>kung fu and so on encouraged mental discipline. Why do you all
>light some candles or eat a fortune cookie or do something Zen?
Oooooh, you *have* been reading our archives!
(for the other folks, it's not really worth getting into the
argument on mental discipline; just take a look at RMA's
archives, understand we're fairly representative of martial
artists, and decide for yourself if martial arts improves anyone
mentally or spiritually)
Matthew Weigel
>This just in:
>I am pretentious and condescending.
You forgot "fucking stupid."
Matthew Weigel
>As I said, you wo should get together,
Nah. Last time it just didn't go well; turns out I'm not much
of the stalker-killer type.
Kevin Gowen
> Kevin Gowen <kgowen...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>> Be nice to Kirk.
>
> Good, good, now you've progressed from "looking for ways to
> reasonably misread someone" to "looking for ways to unreasonably
> misread someone."
>
> You're well on your way to being more than an ineffectual troll.
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rose
Kevin Gowen wrote:
>
> rose wrote:
> > Michael Cash wrote:
> >> Morgan Freeman
> >
> > しらない。。
>
> That is because NIPPONJIN are racist.
Yeah, my SKYABF is hakujin. ￣ｍ￣）
□■ <:３ ）～
■楽猫 <:３ ）～
Kevin Gowen
> Kevin Gowen <kgowen...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>> As I said, you wo should get together,
>
> Nah. Last time it just didn't go well; turns out I'm not much
> of the stalker-killer type.
More of the "Can (and will) Recite Monty Python From Memory"-type?
Kevin Gowen
> Kevin Gowen <kgowen...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>> This just in:
>> I am pretentious and condescending.
>
> You forgot "fucking stupid."
I was talking about myself.
Kevin Gowen
> Kevin Gowen wrote:
>>
>> rose wrote:
>>> Michael Cash wrote:
>>>> Morgan Freeman
>>>
>>> しらない。。
>>
>> That is because NIPPONJIN are racist.
>
> Yeah, my SKYABF is hakujin. ￣ｍ￣）
I bet I look better than him.
Coldblood
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