Why Japanese So Ethnocentric Self-Conscious Racists?
grun...@msn.com
and speak Japanese language one time, which by all legal purposes
made them Japanese. Then, suddenly after 1945, those Koreans who
were forced Japanese names and language are no longer Japanese, and
discriminated against? Why so? Why a prominent Japanese politician
lie about it in 2003? Why Japanese are so racists?
Yoshitaka Ikeda
From <5ba2f89c.03060...@posting.google.com> Written by grun...@msn.com
It is not right.
When Japan ruled Korea. Japanese Government permit Korean people to
name Japanese name. But it was not duty.
In the Japanese Royal Army, there ware Korean members. There was one
General, who called in Korean Name.
Before Japane had ruled Korea, Most of people in Korea can't read them
Language. Japan government began education in Korea. So, Koreans
learned Korean Language, and Hungle.
--
池田 尚隆(Yoshitaka Ikeda) mailto:ik...@4bn.ne.jp
Kaz
I don't deny the fact that Japanese WERE ethnocentric self-Conscious
racists, and some politician like Aso IS BEING an ethnocentric
self-conscious racist. The offensive politician Aso has already lost
his credit, due to his such silly ethnocentric self-conscious comment
he had spoken the other day. I think Aso's political career will be
over soon. Or maybe his is already over now. He is not prominent
anymore.
I want to remind you folks that not every Japanese is such offensive
brutal asshole like him. He is rather an unusual person in the
ordinary Japanese society. I think Aso was seeking a publicity of his
name, and it was "self-advertisement" of himself in his brutal
rightwing world of imperial Tokyo.
thegoons
"Yoshitaka Ikeda" <ik...@4bn.ne.jp> wrote in message
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> It is not right.
> When Japan ruled Korea. Japanese Government permit Korean people to
> name Japanese name. But it was not duty.
> In the Japanese Royal Army, there ware Korean members. There was one
There never was a "royal" army. Imperial, yes - but not royal.
> General, who called in Korean Name.
>
>
> Before Japane had ruled Korea,
No, - before Japan unlawfully took over control.
> Most of people in Korea can't read them
> Language. Japan government began education in Korea. So, Koreans
> learned Korean Language, and Hungle.
>
Please provide statistics of illiterate people prior to Japanese control.
> --
> 池田 尚隆(Yoshitaka Ikeda) mailto:ik...@4bn.ne.jp
You are nothing but a bleating apologist. You could get a job with G. W.
Bush in Washington to justify Iraq invasion.
thegoons
"Kaz" <k...@ivebeenframed.com> wrote in message > I want to remind you folks
that not every Japanese is such offensive
> brutal asshole like him. He is rather an unusual person in the
> ordinary Japanese society. I think Aso was seeking a publicity of his
> name, and it was "self-advertisement" of himself in his brutal
> rightwing world of imperial Tokyo.
You are correct. Governor Ihihara is a gaijin-loving tree-hugging
semi-communist hippy.
Wonderer
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Makoto Taniguchi
I beg you, please go back to school and re-learn English!!! I cannot
tolerate bad grammar!
Kaz
> tolerate bad grammar!
What's really matter to you? You are like someone named Declan who
always criticizes other person's grammar. This is not any college or
language school so I think the important thing is its contents, not
grammar, unless it's not completely incoherent. Yes, you are surely a
honorary white like someone named shuji from Kobe or Tokyo.
Kaz
Yes, Ishihara is really a bullshit. A real silly man. He was born in
the dumb silly pseudo-Western city of Kobe and he wants to be a White
man. But Whites laugh at him so he whines like "say no to America"
things, and then insists ultra racialist things. He is kinda typical
honorary white. I think he is not a semi-communist, he is a REAL
communist. He should be executed.
Kaz
> >Why are they? Like, all Koreans were forced to take Japanese names
> >and speak Japanese language one time, which by all legal purposes
> >made them Japanese. Then, suddenly after 1945, those Koreans who
> >were forced Japanese names and language are no longer Japanese, and
> >discriminated against? Why so? Why a prominent Japanese politician
> >lie about it in 2003? Why Japanese are so racists?
>
> It is not right.
> When Japan ruled Korea. Japanese Government permit Korean people to
> name Japanese name. But it was not duty.
I also think that Japanese had never forced Koreans to change their
names to Japanese names, and I think the Koreans have distorted it as
the Japanese had forced them, to make their people hate the Japanese.
But Aso should never have speak about that. The Korean are always
pricking up their ears to us with incredibly paranoiac attitudes with
hatred and contempt against us mixed together. Aso is just too
careless and he doesn't deserve to be a Japanese politician.
> In the Japanese Royal Army, there ware Korean members. There was one
> General, who called in Korean Name.
I think it's true that there were IJA generals who have Korean names.
I wonder how the Koreans would explain about this.
> Before Japane had ruled Korea, Most of people in Korea can't read them
> Language. Japan government began education in Korea. So, Koreans
> learned Korean Language, and Hungle.
Maybe it's true that the Japanese started modern education in Korea.
As far as I know, before Japan annexes Korea, Korea was like
completely undeveloped land like Africa in the 19th century.
thegoons
> Maybe it's true that the Japanese started modern education in Korea.
It is totally wrong - admit it. Also please admit Governmanetal interference
in textbook content.
> As far as I know,
Hardly an authoritative source
> before Japan annexes Korea, Korea was like
> completely undeveloped land like Africa in the 19th century.
So what? Perhaps they were happy living like that.
Kaz
>
> "Kaz" <k...@ivebeenframed.com> wrote in message
> news:365fcc52.03060...@posting.google.com...
>
> > Maybe it's true that the Japanese started modern education in Korea.
>
> It is totally wrong - admit it. Also please admit Governmanetal interference
> in textbook content.
Do you mean Koreans were also realizing that they must open their
country then they had started modern education by themselves before
our people do?
> > As far as I know,
>
> Hardly an authoritative source
>
> > before Japan annexes Korea, Korea was like
> > completely undeveloped land like Africa in the 19th century.
>
> So what? Perhaps they were happy living like that.
You are right. I think they had been happy with that. I think our
silly interfering pseudo-Western imperial honorary White folks who
look down on Asian style livings over-concerned about being not
modernized. I think they worried about if Korea was invaded by the
European great powers, then they annexed Korea and tried to remove the
isolation policy and make Korea modernized.
Kay
says...
While everything you said is true, I take issue
with your subject title. Racism is not a monopoly
of Japanese. Koreans are as bad racists as Japanese.
So are Americans for that matter.
Kay
Kay
I might take issue with grunt when he calls it
racist. What Japan did to Korea was not necessarily
racism but imperialism. She wanted to annex Korea
forever. One way to do is changing names and
banning language.
In article <bc0r8j$f34$1...@nn-tk103.ocn.ad.jp>, ik...@4bn.ne.jp says...
>
>
> From <5ba2f89c.03060...@posting.google.com> Written by grunt
>1...@msn.com
>>Why are they? Like, all Koreans were forced to take Japanese names
>>and speak Japanese language one time, which by all legal purposes
>>made them Japanese. Then, suddenly after 1945, those Koreans who
>>were forced Japanese names and language are no longer Japanese, and
>>discriminated against? Why so? Why a prominent Japanese politician
>>lie about it in 2003? Why Japanese are so racists?
>
>It is not right.
>When Japan ruled Korea. Japanese Government permit Korean people to
>name Japanese name. But it was not duty.
It is called forced volunatarism. Yes, you had
a choice not to change. However, if you did not
you were guaranteede a miserable life.
>In the Japanese Royal Army, there ware Korean
>members. There was one
>General, who called in Korean Name.
Yes, there were but very, very vew of them
were able to get away with it.
>Before Japan had ruled Korea, Most of people in Korea can't read them
>Language. Japan government began education in Korea. So, Koreans
>learned Korean Language, and Hungle.
This is the biggest garbage I have read.
Japan did everything she could to distroy
Korean language. If you spoke Korean, you
were penalized, sometimes imprisoned.
That you say Japanese taught Koreans Hangul
is not even funny. My mother was a school
teacher and she was imprisoned for teaching
Korean language, Hangul, and Korean songs,
for Haven's sake! Since they put her in
prison soon after my eldest brother was born,
he did not survive!
Are you just plainly misinformed or deliberately
spinning?
grun...@msn.com
> > It is not right.
> > When Japan ruled Korea. Japanese Government permit Korean people to
> > name Japanese name. But it was not duty.
>
> I also think that Japanese had never forced Koreans to change their
> names to Japanese names, and I think the Koreans have distorted it as
> the Japanese had forced them, to make their people hate the Japanese.
> But Aso should never have speak about that. The Korean are always
> pricking up their ears to us with incredibly paranoiac attitudes with
> hatred and contempt against us mixed together. Aso is just too
> careless and he doesn't deserve to be a Japanese politician.
Where did you get your history education, that "Japanese had never
forced Koreans to change their names to Japanese names"? If you
meant to say Japan did force Japanese names on Koreans towards the
end of Japanese occupation, yes, it'll be true; Japanese names were
forced upon Koreans toward the end of Japanese occupation of Korea.
In part it was so that Japan could force the conscription of Korean
youth into Japanse army. Also, forced labor in the name of helping
motherland war effort.
Just talk to any living Korean who had, say, high school education
prior to 1945 in Korea. They'll tell you you are not only a liar
but a crude Japan apologist.
Also, regarding "incredibly paranoiac attitudes with hatred and
contempt against us mixed together," as you have written, show
any evidence hatred as you have written.
Indeed I for one do have contempt for a person like youself who
continues to talk bald lies about Japan's past.
> I think it's true that there were IJA generals who have Korean names.
> I wonder how the Koreans would explain about this.
Quote names.
> > Before Japane had ruled Korea, Most of people in Korea can't read them
> > Language. Japan government began education in Korea. So, Koreans
> > learned Korean Language, and Hungle.
>
> Maybe it's true that the Japanese started modern education in Korea.
> As far as I know, before Japan annexes Korea, Korea was like
> completely undeveloped land like Africa in the 19th century.
Korea may have been in dark age when Japan invaded and pilaged Korea.
However, any modern education started in Korea by Japanese benefited
mostly Japanese brought to Korea and Japanese colaborators. Note that
most of land where Japanese came to occupy were the result of outright
expulsion of Korean peasantry by Japanese.
grun...@msn.com
> > discriminated against? Why so? Why a prominent Japanese politician
> > lie about it in 2003? Why Japanese are so racists?
>
> I don't deny the fact that Japanese WERE ethnocentric self-Conscious
> racists, and some politician like Aso IS BEING an ethnocentric
> self-conscious racist. The offensive politician Aso has already lost
> his credit, due to his such silly ethnocentric self-conscious comment
> he had spoken the other day. I think Aso's political career will be
> over soon. Or maybe his is already over now. He is not prominent
> anymore.
>
> I want to remind you folks that not every Japanese is such offensive
> brutal asshole like him. He is rather an unusual person in the
> ordinary Japanese society. I think Aso was seeking a publicity of his
> name, and it was "self-advertisement" of himself in his brutal
> rightwing world of imperial Tokyo.
Not every Japanese may not harbor the similar apologistic view of
Japan's past. However, Japan as society has been electing officials
who come forward with such revisinistic comments on very opportunitistical
moments, like a state visit by South Korean president. When looked at
as a whole, it's Japan who has been doing similar apologistic (about
Japan's past) comment since 1945 continuously.
grun...@msn.com
> racists, and some politician like Aso IS BEING an ethnocentric
> self-conscious racist. The offensive politician Aso has already lost
> his credit, due to his such silly ethnocentric self-conscious comment
> he had spoken the other day. I think Aso's political career will be
> over soon. Or maybe his is already over now. He is not prominent
> anymore.
>
> I want to remind you folks that not every Japanese is such offensive
> brutal asshole like him. He is rather an unusual person in the
> ordinary Japanese society. I think Aso was seeking a publicity of his
> name, and it was "self-advertisement" of himself in his brutal
> rightwing world of imperial Tokyo.
If Japan was to remdeem its past, Japan would not have elected
officials such politicians with apoligist view of Japan's past.
However, there has been no shortage of Japanese politicians who
have espoused apoligistic view of Japan's past.
grun...@msn.com
But you do tolerate apologistic comments regarding Japan's past?
grun...@msn.com
>While everything you said is true, I take issue
>with your subject title. Racism is not a monopoly
>of Japanese. Koreans are as bad racists as Japanese.
>So are Americans for that matter.
I agree. However, observing overall contents/view of the subject
Kaz whatever (who started "Why Koreans So Ethnocentric Self-Conscious
Racists" thread), it dawns on me that Kaz whatever character
is engaged in flaming Koreans for the sake of flames. My response
was a similar return in kind; I want to see where these apologists
and grammer police take their fantasies to.
Kay
says...
True, true. Kaz's and USA's highlight of the day is
insulting Koreans. But then there are Koreans
in this group who constantly bash Japanese too.
The Count
The Count
> >I agree. However, observing overall contents/view of the subject
> >Kaz whatever (who started "Why Koreans So Ethnocentric Self-Conscious
> > Racists" thread), it dawns on me that Kaz whatever character
> >is engaged in flaming Koreans for the sake of flames. My response
> >was a similar return in kind; I want to see where these apologists
> >and grammer police take their fantasies to.
If an Irishman was online flaming the English, would he be racist? No, they are
both white. So if a Korean was flaming a jap, by definition this is not racism.
shuji matsuda
k...@ivebeenframed.com (Kaz) wrote:
:Aso is just too
:careless and he doesn't deserve to be a Japanese politician.
Your assumption is entirely wrong as always.
He picked up the historic fact to get the superficial reaction from left-wingers
and Koreans, which make him what he thinks more authentic conservative. It does
not mean that he is supporting the cause. Aso is not insisting enough to be a
polulist like Ishihara Shintaro. My guess is that he read the story in O sonfa's
book. As to the Korean psyche who sought to be Japanese, the armed conflict
between Koreans and Chinese in Manchuria in 1931, or the retaliation massacre
of Chinese residents in Korean Peninsula by Koreans Korea following the conlflict
is described in the book. Aso deliberately picked up the point to get attention,
no more, no less.
:I think it's true that there were IJA generals who have Korean names.
:I wonder how the Koreans would explain about this.
20% retained their original Korean name. The Korean name can be found
in conscription records, BC war crime defendant records, or even a congressman
of Tokyo district (朴春琴).
However, the crucial point is, 創氏改名 was not a system of changing
their name to a Japanese one. The core of the policy was to create
"a family name" instead of "a Confucious paternal clan name". This was
enforced 100 %. Korean agitators here and Japanese apologists are
so ignorant that they do not know what they are talking about.
Makoto Taniguchi
> That's because japanese raped and tortured my grandparents.
and I am sick and tired of MY generation being blamed for something
our ancestors did. IT WASN'T US! OUR GENERATION DIDN'T GO OFF TO WAR
JACKASS! if you're gonna blame anybody, blame the GOVERNMENT. For
fuck's sakes grow up!
Kaz
I wonder how you could force anyone to keep such things happened half a
century ago in their mind all the time.
Kay
I disagree. Racism by definition has nothing
to do with skin color. As German race is
different from British race, so is Korean race
from Japanese race. As it happens, the racism
between two contrasting colr is more visible.
Kaz
This is an ultimate racist's logic. Anyone of any race insulting or
discriminating against any other race is a racist. Including a Black
insulting Whites. Defining like "if a Korean was flaming a jap, by
definition this is not racism" is a racist's logic. There is no race
that is officially admited to insult a specific race.
Kaz
The Koreans have been bashing, flaming us with "every jap is brutal
racist" things for years, decades in here. I could not contain myself
any longer so that's why I wrote as that. I really feel that the
Koreans are awful egoistic racists.
Austin P. So (Hae Jin)
Hey...and I'm sick of the fact that my generation of Canadians had to pay
compensation to Japanese interned in the US and Canada. My family wasn't
even in these damned countries, and yet my friggin' tax dollars went to
compensating these people for no damn good reason. Hell my tax dollars even
go toward supporting educational and historical offices dedicated to
preserving the memory of crimes that my family and my generation had nothing
to do with.
Dammit. I wish those naturalized Japanese wouild grow the fuck up...
</sarcasm>
"Makoto Taniguchi" <bartr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Austin P. So (Hae Jin)
"shuji matsuda" <shuji__...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> 20% retained their original Korean name. The Korean name can be found
> in conscription records, BC war crime defendant records, or even a
congressman
> of Tokyo district (朴春琴).
Always one or two *in Japan* of course.
> However, the crucial point is, 創氏改名 was not a system of changing
> their name to a Japanese one. The core of the policy was to create
> "a family name" instead of "a Confucious paternal clan name". This was
> enforced 100 %. Korean agitators here and Japanese apologists are
> so ignorant that they do not know what they are talking about.
Damn them all....
By the way...let's get something clear, my dear factoid twisting friend:
Family names were modified by adding a character that made the name more
japanese sounding (e.g. by adding "-yama"). This wasn't that common as far
as I'm aware.
Given names were converted to Japanese-style names by changing the last
character to "-o" or "-ko"... so yes ... it was a change from the
"confucious paternal clan name" system that was present in Korea. This was
the most common change.
There was no law per se, just an absolute requirement to advance in the
colonial society. You couldn't go to school if you didn't have a japanese
name (so some people never bothered). You couldn't get an administrative
job. You coouldn't get a government job. Only if you had a Japanese name.
So it was a "choice" by Koreans to change their names. Afterall, you cannot
do something like that blatantly (e.g. by law) because it would publicize
your real intent to both the Korean population and the world that you really
were trying to forcibly assimilate Koreans.
Besides...it was also subtle...korean names have 3 chinese characters...just
pronounce these characters in Japanese and how non-japanese do they sound?
So please...continue to bash away at miniscule logical loopholes...
Austin
P.S. that is how you can tell if a japanese person has Korean ancestors...by
their family name pronounced in Korean and removing the extraneous
character.
USA
"Kay" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in message
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I take offense to your allegation. What makes my day is attacking North
Korea and
all her commie stooge apologists. If that just happens to encompass ALL
Koreans, well that's
just coincidence. And a pretty sad one at that.
The fact is obvious to anyone with an unbiased position that anti-japanese
racism on the part
of Korean posters is rampant, whereas the reverse is not true except in
response to such
Korean racism.
Frankly I think Koreans have something stuck up their collective asses
because Japan never "invaded"
Korea it merely annexed it, did not commit atrocities as they did in China,
and brought Korea out
of the dark ages into the modern world. So despite all the gripes I think
Koreans have nothing to
complain about compared to the chinese.
USA
Kaz
making his people starved is a proof that the Koreans are racists.
The Count
> and I am sick and tired of MY generation being blamed for something
> our ancestors did. IT WASN'T US! OUR GENERATION DIDN'T GO OFF TO WAR
> JACKASS! if you're gonna blame anybody, blame the GOVERNMENT. For
> fuck's sakes grow up!
But it's up to our generation to disclose the truth in our history books and media.
The Count
gates - north, south, east and west. Most people don't even realize what
these gates really were - they are the remains of entrances to a grand palace
that the japanese destroyed. If you look around Seoul, and all of Korea for
that matter, there are many more places like this. Places that the japs
pillaged and destroyed. By USA's definition, I guess Al Qaida did not invade
America on 9/11.
USA
Gee..I am really sorry about the palace.
Were there 300,000 men women and children living in it at the
time it was destroyed?
Read what I wrote..."compared to the chinese".
The Count
> and brought Korea out
> of the dark ages into the modern world. So despite all the gripes I think
> Koreans have nothing to
> complain about compared to the chinese.
>
> USA
I guess we can also thank the Germans, French, British, Spanish and Americans
for having such noble intentions to introducing technology, christianity, the
dollar, and materialism to Europe, Africa, Southeast Asia and everywhere else
in the world. They really progressed humanity without any real loss or
sacrifice! THANK YOU ALL!
USA
I see you passed scarcasm 101.
The Count
> Gee..I am really sorry about the palace.
> Were there 300,000 men women and children living in it at the
> time it was destroyed?
> Read what I wrote..."compared to the chinese".
The palace is only one out of countless cultural assets that the japs have
destroyed. These may simply be objects and artifacts, but they reflect Korean
ideas, history and culture. All people have a right to preserve these things.
If the Lincoln Memorial or Statue of Liberty were destroyed by an invading
force, I'm sure you'd feel the same way - regardless of how many people did or
did not die.
USA
> >
> > Gee..I am really sorry about the palace.
> > Were there 300,000 men women and children living in it at the
> > time it was destroyed?
> > Read what I wrote..."compared to the chinese".
>
> The palace is only one out of countless cultural assets that the japs have
> destroyed. These may simply be objects and artifacts, but they reflect
Korean
> ideas, history and culture. All people have a right to preserve these
things.
You are absolutely right, they do.
And that puts Korea in the same shoe as Greece, Turkey, most of the Middle
East
India etc etc in terms of having valuable national artifacts destroyed or
stolen by
a colonial power.
>
> If the Lincoln Memorial or Statue of Liberty were destroyed by an invading
> force, I'm sure you'd feel the same way - regardless of how many people
did or
> did not die.
>
I don't know..if the same enemy who quietly occupied the US and destroyed
both of those
monuments I may hold resentment. But if that same enemy invaded Canada next
door and
committed atrocities running into the hundreds of thousands, I would think
twice about
putting them both on the same level.
Kaz
By what grade? c-?
grun...@msn.com
> The Koreans have been bashing, flaming us with "every jap is brutal
> racist" things for years, decades in here. I could not contain myself
> any longer so that's why I wrote as that. I really feel that the
> Koreans are awful egoistic racists.
Give credible examples where quote Koreans have been bashing,
flaming us with every jap is brutal racist things for years, decades
in here, unquote.
grun...@msn.com
> century ago in their mind all the time.
What things did happen one-half a century ago? Would you know?
grun...@msn.com
> our ancestors did. IT WASN'T US! OUR GENERATION DIDN'T GO OFF TO WAR
> JACKASS! if you're gonna blame anybody, blame the GOVERNMENT. For
> fuck's sakes grow up!
Don't flatter yourself. So what if your generation didn't go to war.
Who/what blames your generation for something your ancestors did?
Do you know what your ancestors did in the first place?
USA
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Your own posts using the word "jap" is an example you moron.
grun...@msn.com
Does it deserve a retort?
shuji matsuda
"Austin P. So \(Hae Jin\)" <hae...@netinfo.ubc.caX> wrote:
:"shuji matsuda" <shuji__...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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:
:> 20% retained their original Korean name. The Korean name can be found
:> in conscription records, BC war crime defendant records, or even a
:congressman
:> of Tokyo district (朴春琴).
:
:Always one or two *in Japan* of course.
朴春琴 was an interesting guy. He was a congressman of Imperial congress
from 1932 to 1942, as a person born in Korea.
『 私は朝鮮生まれの日本人として帝国議会の議政壇上にたちましたことは、私一個人の光
栄のみでなくして、朝鮮二千万民の光栄と思ふが故に、是れ以て亦皆様に厚く御礼申上
げる次第であります』 It is glory not only to myself but to twenty million Koreans,
that I, as a Japanese born in Korea, am standing here in Imperial congress
and giving a speech. I thank everyone for this.
No district was set in the Peninsula until 1945. Therefore, a Korean born
congressman was only elected in mainland Japan.
:Given names were converted to Japanese-style names by changing the last
:character to "-o" or "-ko"... so yes ... it was a change from the
:"confucious paternal clan name" system that was present in Korea. This was
:the most common change.
I don't understand what you mean.
Confucious paternal clan name has little to do with "given names."
:There was no law per se, just an absolute requirement to advance in the
:colonial society. You couldn't go to school if you didn't have a japanese
:name (so some people never bothered). You couldn't get an administrative
:job. You coouldn't get a government job. Only if you had a Japanese name.
Which are wrong, because 金大羽, who became twice a governor of 全羅北道
and 慶尚南道 had no Japanized name. He was the guy who supported
皇国臣民の誓詞 as a 社会教育課長 of 朝鮮総督府. Before he became a governor,
he was already a core member of Japanese administration beaurocrats.
You know what 皇国臣民の誓詞 says:
一、私共は大日本帝国の臣民であります
二、私共は互に心を合せて、天皇陛下に忠義を尽します
三、私共は忍苦鍛練して、立派な強い国民となります
:So it was a "choice" by Koreans to change their names. Afterall, you cannot
:do something like that blatantly (e.g. by law) because it would publicize
:your real intent to both the Korean population and the world that you really
:were trying to forcibly assimilate Koreans.
I do not deny that Japanese administration policy, especially from 1938 to
1945, was towards assimilation. It does not contradict with the fact that the
policy was actively supported by the Koreans at the time, at least in part. For
example, 内鮮一体, United Japan and Korea, was a slogan created by 李覚鐘, a
Korean activist.
shuji matsuda
nos...@nospam.net (Kay) wrote:
:It is called forced volunatarism. Yes, you had a choice not to change. However, if you did not
:you were guaranteede a miserable life.
:Yes, there were but very, very vew of them were able to get away with it.
If you think 20 % of population as "very, very few of them," I believe
there is some confusion in your terminology.
I know that there is a common belief that the Koreans are perfectly
involuntarily changed their name to a Japanese one. I also do understand
the myth, anything Japan did during the administration era was "forced," therefore "bad"
is political reality in South and North Korea. However, I do not think Japan
could govern 200 million people without any cooperation from their side.
For example, almost 80 to 90% of Korean residents in Japan today use
Japanized name instead of their Korean name. However, AFAIK, no Chinese
residents in Japan use Japanized name. All Chinese iron chefs use their
own name, period. That is what they are, and they do not change names to
sound Japanese.
:This is the biggest garbage I have read. Japan did everything she could to distroy
:Korean language.
Not really. The language policy under Japanese administration changed from
promotion of Hangul to supression. Until 1938, all elementary school pupils,
including Japanese immigrants to Peninsula, were required to learn Hangul.
In 1938, the requirement was dropped, and in 1941, Hangul was erased from
curriculum. Since the literacy rate was very low during Li dynasty, literacy
rate of Hangul increased during the first period.
The Count
> This is an ultimate racist's logic. Anyone of any race insulting or
> discriminating against any other race is a racist. Including a Black
> insulting Whites. Defining like "if a Korean was flaming a jap, by
> definition this is not racism" is a racist's logic. There is no race
> that is officially admited to insult a specific race.
This is still not "racism", perhaps bigotry, yes.
Kay
shuji__...@hotmail.com says...>:It is called forced voluntarism. Yes, you had a choice not to change.
> However, if you did not
>:Yes, there were but very, very few of them were able to get away
>:with it.
>I know that there is a common belief that
>the Koreans are perfectly involuntarily changed
>their name to a Japanese one. I also do understand
Sigh!
Shuji,
Are you so naive or just an apologist for the Japanese
war criminals? If you are so lazy to read history,
then take my word. Name change was forced. That
was a fact. No spinning can change that. A few
got away without changing theirs but the vast majority
had to change. You may argue whether Japanese really
tortured Koreans, the degree of which is debatable.
Changing name was not voluntary my dear. Try to
defend what's defendable. Don't try to change history.
However, I do not think Japan could govern 200
million people without any cooperation from their side.
200 million? Considering that there were 30 million
at the end of WWII, that shows your ignorance.
No wonder you are talking about nonsense. Either that,
perhaps, Japanese truly massacred Koreans, 170 million
at that! (DWS)
>For example, almost 80 to 90% of Korean
>residents in Japan today use Japanized name
>instead of their Korean name.
I am not sure I can believe you since you have shown
no credibility as yet. For the sake of argument,
though, let's say you are right. If they decided
to keep their Japanese name, that is their prerogative,
and I doubt that they were forced to do that. However,
perhaps they did it not to be discriminated? Perhaps
they did it because of convenience? Many Asian
Americans in the US give their children American
names because of convenience.
>However, AFAIK, no Chinese residents in Japan
>use Japanized name.
Perhaps Chinese value their culture more than
Koreans. That does not prove that Japanese did
not force Koreans to change names. Give me one
reason why anybody would want to change their
family names in their own country! Why didn't
Japanese change their last names in American way?
>:This is the biggest garbage I have read. Japan did everything
>:she could to destroy Korean language.
>Not really. The language policy under Japanese
>administration changed from promotion of Hangul
>to supression. Until 1938, all elementary school pupils,
>including Japanese immigrants to Peninsula, were
>required to learn Hangul. In 1938, the requirement was
>dropped, and in 1941, Hangul was erased from curriculum.
>Since the literacy rate was very low during Li dynasty, literacy
>rate of Hangul increased during the first period.
You really are a piece of work. If Japan was so keen of
promoting Hangul, why did they suddenly stop it? You
mention 1938. In 1935, my mother went to prison for
teaching Korean to children. Of course, I was not born then
but I heard if from her and other family members. A few
years ago, I went to the University of Washington library
and found 4 references to that event. I also found one
reference on the web.
Whatever Japan did in earlier years, ( my guess is to appease
Koreans), the fact remains she banned Korean.
I am guessing that you learned all these from a Japanese
history books. I did not know that they are all so crooked.
Sheesh! When are you going to tell us that Japan occupied
Korea out of charity?
Hhideyosi
Is it easy "Japan is The God State".
God selected Only Jew and Jap by TNIMURA.
Kay
k...@ivebeenframed.com says...
>
>Whatever that is, the blonde-porn-loving, ugly little fat dictator
>making his people starved is a proof that the Koreans are racists.
So, you are saying that because Kim Jong Il
is porn-loving, ugly, little, and fat,
all Koreans are racists, right?
I find you a racist. Does that prove that all
Japanese are racists? I don't think so.
Kay
k...@ivebeenframed.com says...
>
>The Count <vl...@impaler.com> wrote in message news:<3EE547F3.9FBFAB46@im
>paler.com>...
>This is an ultimate racist's logic. Anyone of any race insulting or
>discriminating against any other race is a racist. Including a Black
>insulting Whites. Defining like "if a Korean was flaming a jap, by
>definition this is not racism" is a racist's logic. There is no race
>that is officially admited to insult a specific race.
Hmm, I happen to agree with your definition of a racist.
The funny thing is you do insult Koreans
and you proclaimed you hate Koreans. Doesn't
that put yourself squarely in a racist chair?
Or, does that apply only to Koreans?
Kay
No, I am not making any allegation. Your posts
speak for themselves.
>The fact is obvious to anyone with an unbiased
>position that anti-japanese racism on the part
>of Korean posters is rampant, whereas the reverse
>is not true except inresponse to such
>Korean racism.
That's where you are pathetically wrong, my Japan-
apologist. I make no bones about Koreans apouting
anti-Japaense statements, partially justified
because of the sufferring they received. None-the-
less, it happened 58 years ago and it's about time
to put it to bed. Constantly ranting it helps
nothing; it only feeds ammunition to racists like
USA and Kaz.
Your racism clearly shows by singling out only one
wrong where the wrongs are on both sides. But then
you probably do not understand it.
>Frankly I think Koreans have something stuck up
>their collective asses because Japan never "invaded"
>Korea it merely annexed it.
Amazing. What is invasion? Invasion means going into
another country without invitation at a gunpoint, and
that's what Japan did. Korea was so weak and stupid
not to put up a good fight. I cannot believe you
swallow all that Japanese propaganda. Up until now,
I thought you had an IQ 90-100. It appears you just
don't have any. How can you swallow such blatant
propaganda, unless you are a racist.
Next, you are going to tell me that millions Africans
voluntarily came to America to work as slaves. Is
that it? Good grief!
>did not commit atrocities as they did in China,
So, what will satisfy you? If I have a proof that
Japanese killed 1,000, will you be satisfied?
If I have a proof that Japanese killed 1,000,000
Koreans, will you be happy?
>and brought Korea out of the dark ages into
>the modern world.
Typical spin by a colonialists. Nothing new here.
Man, this guy is really a pathetic psycho!!!
USA
>news:EcbFa.67$P9.1...@news.uswest.net...
>> In article <5ba2f89c.0306...@posting.google.com>,
>grun...@msn.com
>> says...
>> >
>>
>> insulting Koreans. But then there are Koreans
>> in this group who constantly bash Japanese too.
>>
>
>I take offense to your allegation. What makes my
>day is attacking North Korea and all her commie
>stooge apologists. If that just happens to encompass ALL
>Koreans, well that's just coincidence.
>No, I am not making any allegation. Your posts
>speak for themselves.
The only things that speaks for themselves are your blatant racism,
your vehement hatred for the United States and your impaired reasoning
ability.
>The fact is obvious to anyone with an unbiased
>position that anti-japanese racism on the part
>of Korean posters is rampant, whereas the reverse
>is not true except inresponse to such
>Korean racism.
>That's where you are pathetically wrong, my Japan-
>apologist. I make no bones about Koreans apouting
>anti-Japaense statements, partially justified
>because of the sufferring they received. None-the-
>less, it happened 58 years ago and it's about time
>to put it to bed. Constantly ranting it helps
>nothing; it only feeds ammunition to racists like
>USA and Kaz.
So now you are calling me a Japan-Apologist..even though I have never
defended
or denied Japans actions and atrocities during WWII. Can't you see what a
RACIST you are??
You really need professional help.
Yes as you say the Koreans posters need to get over it. It was 58 years ago.
>Your racism clearly shows by singling out only one
>wrong where the wrongs are on both sides. But then
>you probably do not understand it.
Only a biased racist would not be willing to objectively admit that Racist
postings
against Japanese by Korean posters FAR FAR exceeds racist postings
by Japanese posters against Koreans. That was the whole point before you
bazrhed in here
with your RACIST GARBAGE DIATRIBE.
>Frankly I think Koreans have something stuck up
>their collective asses because Japan never "invaded"
>Korea it merely annexed it.
Amazing. What is invasion? Invasion means going into
another country without invitation at a gunpoint, and
that's what Japan did. Korea was so weak and stupid
not to put up a good fight. I cannot believe you
swallow all that Japanese propaganda. Up until now,
I thought you had an IQ 90-100. It appears you just
don't have any. How can you swallow such blatant
propaganda, unless you are a racist.
The racist calling others a racist again.
Ask the CHIINESE what an INVASION IS YOU MORON!
Ask the CHINESE what being treated inhumanely is!
THAT is context of my post you friggin retard.
>Next, you are going to tell me that millions Africans
>voluntarily came to America to work as slaves. Is
>that it? Good grief!
No I never said that, but now YOU did. Idiot.
See how YOU say something on your own, attribute it to me on the grounds
that you "think"
I might say it, then dispute it, then condem it....ALL BY YOURSELF???
YOU NEED PROFESSIONAL HELP.
>did not commit atrocities as they did in China,
>So, what will satisfy you? If I have a proof that
>Japanese killed 1,000, will you be satisfied?
>If I have a proof that Japanese killed 1,000,000
>Koreans, will you be happy?
If you mean what will it take to convince me that the suffering incurred by
the Korean people EQUATES EXACTLY to the suffering incurred by the Chinese
people,
Then the answer nothing..unless you want to re-write history.
Talking avout human suffering does not make me "happy". Does it make YOU
happy?
>and brought Korea out of the dark ages into
>the modern world.
>Typical spin by a colonialists. Nothing new here.
>Man, this guy is really a pathetic psycho!!!
YOU are the psycho you racist retard. You can't even tell the difference
between
An Invasion (Bombs, artillery gunfire) and Annexation (forced takeover
without battle).
Kaz
> In article <365fcc52.03060...@posting.google.com>,
> k...@ivebeenframed.com (Kaz) wrote:
> :Aso is just too
> :careless and he doesn't deserve to be a Japanese politician.
>
> Your assumption is entirely wrong as always.
Hey Mr. Honorary White, why are you so offensive to me?
Kaz
Yes, I declared that I'm a racist against Koreans because you adore
such a blonde-porn-loving midget dictator, but not only Koreans, also
"Hideyoshi" of a dumb tokyojap rightwing racist against Kansaijin in
the above.
Kay
Because a few Koreans defend the NK dictator, you
hate all Koreans? Isn't that pretty drastic?
Hideyoshi and his cronies are racists against
Kansaijin. Should't you hate all Japanese?
George Bush is doing some terrible things. Should
you hate all Americans? Sadam Hussein is/was a
terrible dictator. Should you hate all Iraqis?
Ariel Sharon has done pretty awful stuff. Do
you think we should hate all Isarelis?
Kay
Thank you for your eloquent post. It
is truly a masterpiece posted by a man who
claims to have an IQ of 140. I would love
to see a post by a man of 90 IQ. I was also
very impressed how many profanity one can
use in one post. That is truly eye-opening.
Thank you for an enlightening evening. (DWS)
In article <3ZtGa.718$hJ3...@nwrdny03.gnilink.net>, U...@aol.com says...
shuji matsuda
nos...@nospam.net (Kay) wrote:
:Shuji,
:Are you so naive or just an apologist for the Japanese
:war criminals? If you are so lazy to read history,
:then take my word. Name change was forced. That
:was a fact. No spinning can change that. A few
:got away without changing theirs but the vast majority
:had to change. You may argue whether Japanese really
:tortured Koreans, the degree of which is debatable.
:Changing name was not voluntary my dear. Try to
:defend what's defendable. Don't try to change history.
As you said, it is not "history" per se, it is how you recognize
the history, and how you evaluate the history. It is you that
said the discussion should be based on historical events. You
did not say it should be based on "your words," or "your perception."
Another thing, you are talking about the "Japanese war criminals."
Who are they?
There are two other things you have to pay attention to.
Calling names does not convince me. It just convince me of
your immaturity or lack of your intelligence, which I don't care
very much. I already know Supertech and Leo Lee.
The other thing, you did not give us an explanation regarding
why 20% of the population did not change their name, and why some
of them could have proceed to the powerful positions in the prewar
Empire.
:>However, I do not think Japan could govern 200
:>million people without any cooperation from their side.
:200 million?
20 million. That was my mistake. However, my point remains.
The population in Korea grew from
9.8 million in 1906 (one year after Russo-Japan war)
18.7 million in 1926
to 24 million in 1938.
Probably you will explain me how Japanese atrocity caused this
population explosion in Korea. Perhaps, Korean population could
have grew faster without Japanese administration?
:>For example, almost 80 to 90% of Korean
:>residents in Japan today use Japanized name
:>instead of their Korean name.
:
:I am not sure I can believe you since you have shown
:no credibility as yet. For the sake of argument,
:though, let's say you are right. If they decided
:to keep their Japanese name, that is their prerogative,
:and I doubt that they were forced to do that. However,
:perhaps they did it not to be discriminated? Perhaps
:they did it because of convenience? Many Asian
:Americans in the US give their children American
:names because of convenience.
You do not have to "believe" my words. If you do some research
you can find out the fact that the vast majority of Korean residents
in Japan use Japanized names.
Probably they did change their names for whatever convenience
they believe. However, they are not forced to change their name.
Actually, modern Japanese legal system does not deal with the
names of foreigners. Has it ever come to you that the Koreans
under Japanese administration did the same choice, as the Korean
residents in Japan are doing right now?
It is a common myth that the Korean residents in Japan are using
Japanized name to avoid "discrimination." This is often asserted
by the Zainichi Koreans themselves, the representative of whom is
Shin Soo Gok. However, she is called Setsuko (her Japanized name)
by her own grandfather at her home.
http://www.jcj.gr.jp/~hokkaido/hou-021109shin-youshi.html
在日の１月１日は日本のような正月をせず、「ミョンジョル（名節）」という
法事のようなことをするので、大晦日はおじいさん、おばあさんの家に行って
女の子が台所で準備をします。その時、おじいさんが「節子（私の日本名）、
来い」と呼ぶのです。おじいさんはテレビを指差して、「こいつは在日、こい
つは母親が在日���」などと説明するのです。紅白を楽しみにしていたのは、出
ている朝鮮人の数を数えることでした。当時は、朝鮮人の数が日本人を超えて
いました。
She is also called Setsuko (her Japanized name) by her father when
her father was dying.
http://www.sps-kogasha.co.jp/shin/words.htm
自宅の2階で仕事をしていたら、1階から「せつこー、降りてこい」と父の呼ぶ
声がした（「節子」は私の日本名）。行ってみると、父が倒れていた。そのま
まその日の夜、亡くなった。心筋梗塞だった。
How do you explain why the Korean residents are using Japanized name
in their own home? Are they discriminated by their own family?
:>However, AFAIK, no Chinese residents in Japan
:>use Japanized name.
:
:Perhaps Chinese value their culture more than
:Koreans.
If Koreans did not value their "culture," or their "names," what is the
point of your argument?
:You really are a piece of work. If Japan was so keen of
:promoting Hangul, why did they suddenly stop it? You
:mention 1938. In 1935, my mother went to prison for
:teaching Korean to children.
Of course, the Japanese policy changed around 1938 according to the
geopolitical situation at the time. Manchuria was established and
the total war was about to begin.
:Of course, I was not born then
:but I heard if from her and other family members. A few
:years ago, I went to the University of Washington library
:and found 4 references to that event. I also found one
:reference on the web.
IIRC, the illiteracy rate of Korean women in 1930 should be 92%.
Would you please provide the background of the incident? Your
mother should be one of the extraordinary people who could read.
Although I do not know the details of the particular case, I would
imagine her case could be the violation of public security act, which banned
the separation movement in Japanese Empire.
:Whatever Japan did in earlier years, ( my guess is to appease
:Koreans), the fact remains she banned Korean.
I do not argue with that. I have written the same thing, I suppose.
:Sheesh! When are you going to tell us that Japan occupied
:Korea out of charity?
Japan occupied Korea for the interests of Japanese Empire, just as
USA overturned and annexed Hawaii kingdom in 1897. I believe that
nobody is arguing about it.
USA
>
> Thank you for your eloquent post. It
> is truly a masterpiece posted by a man who
> claims to have an IQ of 140. I would love
> to see a post by a man of 90 IQ.
We have.
Everything you've posted so far.
>I was also
> very impressed how many profanity one can
> use in one post. That is truly eye-opening.
> Thank you for an enlightening evening. (DWS)
Thank you but the truth is that it doesn't take much to impress you.
shuji matsuda
nos...@nospam.net (Kay) wrote:
:Amazing. What is invasion? Invasion means going into
:another country without invitation at a gunpoint, and
:that's what Japan did. Korea was so weak and stupid
:not to put up a good fight.
If you knew the history, the independence of Korea was
guaranteed by Potsudum declaration which affirmed Cairo
declaration, which was done at a gunpoint (in this case,
the atomic bombs). Japan lost the war, but Korea had
lost before the kingdom started the war.
grun...@msn.com
> You do not have to "believe" my words. If you do some research
> you can find out the fact that the vast majority of Korean residents
> in Japan use Japanized names.
>
> Probably they did change their names for whatever convenience
> they believe. However, they are not forced to change their name.
> Actually, modern Japanese legal system does not deal with the
> names of foreigners. Has it ever come to you that the Koreans
> under Japanese administration did the same choice, as the Korean
> residents in Japan are doing right now?
>
> It is a common myth that the Korean residents in Japan are using
> Japanized name to avoid "discrimination." This is often asserted
> by the Zainichi Koreans themselves, the representative of whom is
> Shin Soo Gok. However, she is called Setsuko (her Japanized name)
> by her own grandfather at her home.
> How do you explain why the Korean residents are using Japanized name
> in their own home? Are they discriminated by their own family?
Like, would you also accuse African Americans of voluntarily adopting
"white" names instead of their own native names? I know no 2 cases
are same, but your underlying instinct is unmistakable.
Austin P. So (Hae Jin)
> In article <bc4237$ft5$1...@nntp.itservices.ubc.ca>,
> 朴春琴 was an interesting guy. He was a congressman of Imperial congress
> from 1932 to 1942, as a person born in Korea.
> 『 私は朝鮮生まれの日本人として帝国議会の議政壇上にたちましたことは、私一
個人の光
> 栄のみでなくして、朝鮮二千万民の光栄と思ふが故に、是れ以て亦皆様に厚く御礼
申上
> げる次第であります』 It is glory not only to myself but to twenty million
Koreans,
> that I, as a Japanese born in Korea, am standing here in Imperial congress
> and giving a speech. I thank everyone for this.
Your point? I can find quotes from Japanese who assert that Japanese has not
properly compensated anyone. I can find quotes from Japanese who acknowledge
the Rape of Nanking. I can find quotes of Japanese who say that Japanese
originate from the Korena peninsula. I can find quotes from Japanese that
say they wish they were white.
Are these supposed to represent anything aside from the opinions of one
person?
What matters more is the opinions of *many* people don't you think
and how much they overlap and agree, wouldn't you say? Moreoever, the
reserach of westerners in this regard are probably less biased than either
Japanese or Koreans:
http://ist-socrates.berkeley.edu/~korea/colony.html
Do you think that present Koreans aren't aware that in order for the
Japanese to
have maintained power in Korea, they had to have Korean stooges? Is it any
surprise that these stooges were often from the poorly educated and rarely
from established
yangban families?
> No district was set in the Peninsula until 1945. Therefore, a Korean born
> congressman was only elected in mainland Japan.
Right. So Koreans in Korea had no say in the affairs of their country. Thank
you for the acknowledgement.
> :Given names were converted to Japanese-style names by changing the last
> :character to "-o" or "-ko"... so yes ... it was a change from the
> :"confucious paternal clan name" system that was present in Korea. This
was
> :the most common change.
> I don't understand what you mean.
That is because you don't know what you are talking about. Maybe you should
try to figure out the reality of the situation rather than rely on sites
that reference each other before waving
around this idea as "evidence" of the "benevolence" of the Japanese viz
Koreans.
If you can read Korean:
http://www.kmib.co.kr/html/kmview/2001/0411/091809139513131100.html
And of course if you cannot, I'll summarize (I'm using Korean encoding BTW):
Females born after 1938 had the -? (-子) character as a part of their
Korean name....something that was almost *never* done. This is the "-ko"
character I was referring to as in Himiko, Junko, blah blah blah...
Males had the following characters as a part of their name...rarely used
before in a Korean name, although occasionally it shows up in a particular
generation (see below):
? (郞) -ro
? (雄) -yu (I was mistaken in the japanese pronunciation)
? (植) -shoku
? (一) -ichi
In fact, you can tell immediately when a Korean person was born by their
name, although many removed these characters from their names to a more
traditional Korean one.
> Confucious paternal clan name has little to do with "given names."
In what way is the paternal clan name for Koreans "confucian"? This makes no
sense. You don't know what you are talking about, unless you can
clarify with an example instead of blindly spouting out facts of which you
are under the miguided impression that they support your contention....
*Given* names are confucian based....it is called the do-lim system:
one character of the given name gives your generation. The other character
is gender/meaning based. This allows people from the same clan to address
each other with the proper level of respect. So sometimes an
adult must address a child as "grandfather" and give him the respect of an
elder.
If you enforce that one character to be one of the above, then obviously you
have a problem with maintaining the do-lim system within a family and
administratively under the Japanese colonial rule, don't you think? You will
have siblings and distant cousins having exactly the same name. Keeping the
do-lim system meant that only the eldest had the do-lim, and the rest
required other names....unless they named them "first", "second", "third"
(again almost non-existent ina culture where names were almost sacrosanct).
Do you understand?
This is the Japanese way...to impose something by making it look like it was
a choice. This is an art that Japanese developed over 1000 years of
interclan rivalry. You should know this...unless you are part of the
lower class of Japanese which blindly follow orders and organizations set up
by your superiors, in which case you don't have a clue about your own
society.
> :There was no law per se, just an absolute requirement to advance in the
> :colonial society. You couldn't go to school if you didn't have a japanese
> :name (so some people never bothered). You couldn't get an administrative
> :job. You coouldn't get a government job. Only if you had a Japanese name.
> Which are wrong, because 金大羽, who became twice a governor of 全羅北道
> and 慶尚南道 had no Japanized name. He was the guy who supported
> 皇国臣民の誓詞 as a 社会教育課長 of 朝鮮総督府. Before he became a
governor,
> he was already a core member of Japanese administration beaurocrats.
So what? The changing of names was already established to have occurred from
1938. Why is it that you treat the entire colonial period as one unchanging
event? It wasn't applied retroactively. By the time these people gained
office under the colonial government, it was before the name change policy.
> You know what 皇国臣民の誓詞 says:
> 一、私共は大日本帝国の臣民であります
> 二、私共は互に心を合せて、天皇陛下に忠義を尽します
> 三、私共は忍苦鍛練して、立派な強い国民となります
I do not read Japanese, so please translate.
> :So it was a "choice" by Koreans to change their names. Afterall, you
cannot
> :do something like that blatantly (e.g. by law) because it would publicize
> :your real intent to both the Korean population and the world that you
really
> :were trying to forcibly assimilate Koreans.
>
> I do not deny that Japanese administration policy, especially from 1938 to
> 1945, was towards assimilation. It does not contradict with the fact that
the
> policy was actively supported by the Koreans at the time, at least in
part.
How much of a "part" is that?
Of course, like in any colonial system, there are people who benefit from
the system and therefore support it. There are Koreans who welcomed the
Japanese with open arms. This should not be surprising given the political
climate at the end of the Chosun dynasty. But that
doesn't mean that Japanese can wash their hands of responsibility or
complicity.
> For
> example, 内鮮一体, United Japan and Korea, was a slogan created by 李覚鐘,
a
> Korean activist.
Again, what is your point? By the time WW2 had started, almost a generation
had
experienced the Japanese colonial system. They were raised in it and knew
nothing else. Why should it be surprising that Koreans became active
participants by then?
Coming up with a few examples of successful assimilation means nothing.
BTW...The biggest problem is that most of the people that could have refuted
this
BS with first hand evidence died during the Korean war (2/3 of the
population by many estimates).
Austin
min10011
ones that the PRC produces to declare that more than 30 million Chinese died
during the Japanese occupation. He has conjured up a little fantasy that
Japan had committed no wrong and indeed had noble intentions. The idiotic
likes of U...@aol.com buy into the fantasy until they hear that the attack on
Pearl Harbor was a justified "pre-emptive" strike.
"Austin P. So (Hae Jin)" <hae...@netinfo.ubc.ca> wrote in message
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> "shuji matsuda" <shuji__...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:bc959s$h0qn1$1...@ID-37799.news.dfncis.de...
> > In article <bc4237$ft5$1...@nntp.itservices.ubc.ca>,
>
> > 朴春琴 was an interesting guy. He was a congressman of Imperial
congress
> > from 1932 to 1942, as a person born in Korea.
> > 『
私は朝鮮生まれの日本人として帝国議会の議政壇上にたちましたことは、私一
> 個人の光
> >
栄のみでなくして、朝鮮二千万民の光栄と思ふが故に、是れ以て亦皆様に厚く御���
�申上
USA
"min10011" <min1...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> That is so true. Matsuda's selective documentation is as specious as the
> ones that the PRC produces to declare that more than 30 million Chinese
died
> during the Japanese occupation. He has conjured up a little fantasy that
> Japan had committed no wrong and indeed had noble intentions. The idiotic
> likes of U...@aol.com buy into the fantasy until they hear that the attack
on
> Pearl Harbor was a justified "pre-emptive" strike.
>
This is what we call an UNPROVOKED ATTACK...
What is up YOUR ass you fucking moron?
What fantasy????? I haven't agreed with a thing that Matsuda has said.
When have I EVER denied or supported Japanese Military atrocities during
WWII???
You obviously have NO IDEA what you are talking about, merely attackling me
because of your RACIST KOREAN attutude towards Americans.
Kay
I believe he is attacking your racist attitude,
not the other way around. You don't have to
be so obnoxious all the time. It does not
hurt you to be more objective once in a while
instead of ranting your racial prejudice.
Does an "ugly American" ring your bell?
USA
Are you completely psychotic Kay?
I never said anything about Japan and this idiot says:
"The idiotic likes of U...@aol.com buy into the fantasy until they hear that
the
attack on Pearl Harbor was a justified "pre-emptive" strike."
You know I am sick and tired of you calling me racist.
Racist against WHAT??? What prejudice against WHOM???
Everyone knows I Hate the North Korean regime and feel sympathy for the
starving people. I support South Korea and Japan.
So how am I a racist????
Kay
>hat
>the
>attack on Pearl Harbor was a justified "pre-emptive" strike."
>
>You know I am sick and tired of you calling me racist.
>Racist against WHAT??? What prejudice against WHOM???
>Everyone knows I Hate the North Korean regime and feel sympathy for the
>starving people. I support South Korea and Japan.
>So how am I a racist????
As they say, "if it quacks like a duck and
walks like a duck, it must be a duck."
So far, this is what I have seen of you in sck.
1) Koreans are OK as long as they agree with you.
2) If I disagree with you, I am an anti-American.
3) Koreans are inferior race, compared to
Americans and Japanese.
4) If some non_USA born person says something you
disagree with you, s/he acts like one just off a "banana boat."
5) If a naturalized citizen says something critical
of the US, you say s/he should go back to where s/he
came from.
However, if a US-born citizen does that, s/he is
a dirty liberal.
I have met many rednecks and racists in the States.
They all talk like that, so I assumed it applied to
anyone.
Maybe, the old adage, "if it quacks like a duck
and walks like a duck, it must be a duck," is wrong?
Kay
>
>In article <5BgGa.1$vb7...@news.uswest.net>,
>nos...@nospam.net (Kay) wrote:
>:Shuji,
>:Are you so naive or just an apologist for the Japanese
>:war criminals? If you are so lazy to read history,
>:then take my word. Name change was forced. That
>:was a fact. No spinning can change that. A few
>:got away without changing theirs but the vast majority
>:had to change. You may argue whether Japanese really
>:tortured Koreans, the degree of which is debatable.
>:Changing name was not voluntary my dear. Try to
>:defend what's defendable. Don't try to change history.
>
>As you said, it is not "history" per se, it is how you recognize
>the history, and how you evaluate the history. It is you that
>said the discussion should be based on historical events. You
>did not say it should be based on "your words," or "your perception."
>Another thing, you are talking about the "Japanese war criminals."
>Who are they?
OK, I'll buy that. So, we are in agreement that we should
discuss from the point of history. Now, the question is
whose history? Obviously, you read Japanese version of
history where it says Korea volunteered the annex; that was
the argument my college roommate(a Japanese) gave me. All the history
books, both Korean and American, say the same thing that
name-change was forced upon. So did my mother. So did
every Korean I know. It will be hard to believe that
every one of them lied to me.
I have not read Japanese version of history. So, I guess
the only way of determining is relying on European
or American version?
>There are two other things you have to pay attention to.
>Calling names does not convince me. It just convince me of
>your immaturity or lack of your intelligence, which I don't care
>very much. I already know Supertech and Leo Lee.
What name-calling are you talking about? Are you
talking about me calling you naive? If you are indeed naive,
how else can I call you? The fact is you are naive,
believing the words written by those who try to
justify their wrongs.
Are you incensed because of the word, "apologist?"
The fact remains you are talking like an apologist.
How else can you deny what actually happened in history?
How many Koreans who had their name-changed have you
talked to? How can you make judgement based on
history written by those who are trying to justify
Japanese atrocity during WWII?
Name-calling is what Kaz and USA do, calling somene dumb,
dumbass, idiot, moron, etc. Saying you are naive
when you are naive is not name-calling. You must
have very thin skin. Oops, another name-calling? (VBG)
>The other thing, you did not give us an explanation regarding
>why 20% of the population did not change their name, and why some
>of them could have proceed to the powerful positions in the prewar
>Empire.
I did not give an explanation because it is not needed.
First, I don't believe the number. I know for fact
100% of people in my town changed names; they had no choice.
Yet, it is possible some were able to get away without
changing it. I also know a high-ranking general who
kept his born name; I believe you or someone mentioned
it earlier. I know that case. They were rare and I must assume
that they were under pressure. I must say they were
brave, indeed.
For the sake of argument, let's assume your statement
is true. If 20% changed name, that still is a huge
number. Out of 20 million, that translates to
16 million. Are you saying that all 16 million
people voluntarily changed their names? Are you
saying that 16 million is nor a large number? Do you
realize how names are valued among traditional
Koreans? Do you know any Korean? If, for some
reason, say the US occupies Japan, not the kind it
happened in 1945 but a real one. Do you really
think 80 million Japanese will change their names
to Smith, Brown, Jackson, and Jones voluntarily?
I don't think so.
I don't think this issue has no merit of discussion.
>:>However, I do not think Japan could govern 200
>:>million people without any cooperation from their side.
>:200 million?
>
>20 million. That was my mistake. However, my point remains.
>
>The population in Korea grew from
>9.8 million in 1906 (one year after Russo-Japan war)
>18.7 million in 1926
>to 24 million in 1938.
>
>Probably you will explain me how Japanese atrocity caused this
>population explosion in Korea. Perhaps, Korean population could
>have grew faster without Japanese administration?
Atrocity does not kill 20 million people.
If Japanese killed 100,000 people, which I think
is an understatement, that is an atrocity.
100,000 out of 20 million is statistically
insignificant and does not affect population
growth. Yet, it still is an atrocity.
Actually I don't know what you are getting at.
Those were the years when the whole world was
experiencing population growth. Go back and
see what growth Japan experienced despite the
war casualty,etc. While at it, check what
the growth rate of China was. In those years,
China experienced 30 millions of casualty, due
to civil war, famine, and the real war. Yet,
the population of China grew immensely.
My family lost one person because of Japanese.
My mother just had a boy when she was rounded
up to jail; she got pardoned because of Prince
Akihito's birth. Yet, because of that, my
brother died of mal-nutrition; in those days
babies were breast-fed. I, therefore, consider
him as one of the casualties of Japanese occupation.
Yet, she managed to have two more sons, and the
family grew by 50%. Try to explain this using
your logic.
I am surprised that you even bring up this
subject.
>Probably they did change their names for whatever convenience
>they believe. However, they are not forced to change their name.
We are not talking about what happened after WWII; we are
talking about before.
>It is a common myth that the Korean residents in Japan are using
>Japanized name to avoid "discrimination."
It is not a myth; it is a fact. My Japanese friends
tell me the same.
>:You really are a piece of work. If Japan was so keen of
>:promoting Hangul, why did they suddenly stop it? You
>:mention 1938. In 1935, my mother went to prison for
>:teaching Korean to children.
>
>Of course, the Japanese policy changed around 1938 according to the
>geopolitical situation at the time. Manchuria was established and
>the total war was about to begin.
>
>:Of course, I was not born then
>:but I heard if from her and other family members. A few
>:years ago, I went to the University of Washington library
>:and found 4 references to that event. I also found one
>:reference on the web.
>
>IIRC, the illiteracy rate of Korean women in 1930 should be 92%.
What are you getting at? The literacy rate of Korean
women then were very low because traditionally, Korean
women belonged to kitchen, not study. They were supposed
to cook and have babies, not to to read. As the class system
disappeared, so did the literacy rate. My mother spent her
entire life changing that. She single-handedly changed the
literacy rate in our town from 10% to 80-90%! As you
probably know, Hangul is very easy to learn; too bad Korean
language itself is so difficult! Anyway, the rise of
literacy in Korea happened not because of Japan but
dispite of it.
>Would you please provide the background of the incident? Your
>mother should be one of the extraordinary people who could read.
My mother graduated from a high school as did her two
sisters and a brother. Many progressive people sent their
children, male and female to modern high schools and some to colleges in
Japan. This particular event was described
in newspapers. I researched at the University of Washington
Library a few years ago and found 4 references to it. Recently,
I also found one on the net. I don't mind giving you the URL but it is
in Korean. However, I am not willing to post it on the net. If
you wish, give me your e-mail and I will send it to you. By the
way, the man who was responsible for the whole movement
wrote the first Hangul text in 1911.
>Although I do not know the details of the particular case, I would
>imagine her case could be the violation of public security act, which ba
>nned the separation movement in Japanese Empire.
Right, she taught Korean language, Hangul, Korean history,
and Korean songs. You are also right that it was illegal
to teach those. In fact, there is a movie version
of the incident where the movie starts with children
singing a Korean song. A cop (sorry, a Korean cop, a traitor
he was!) stop them singing, and asks the children:
Cop: Where did you learn that song?
Children: From our teacher.
Cop: What is your teacher's name?
Children: so-and-so (naming my mother's name)
Of course, movies were movies, and since much of the
story was based on a book, which heavily referenced my mother's
diary, in all honest, it is biased against Japanese.
Yet, the fact was that teaching Korean, Korean history,
and Korean songs were declared illegal. And you are
saying Japanese was responsible for teaching Koreans
Hangul? Give me a break!
>:Whatever Japan did in earlier years, ( my guess is to appease
>:Koreans), the fact remains she banned Korean.
>
>I do not argue with that. I have written the same thing, I suppose.
>
>:Sheesh! When are you going to tell us that Japan occupied
>:Korea out of charity?
>
>Japan occupied Korea for the interests of Japanese Empire, just as
>USA overturned and annexed Hawaii kingdom in 1897. I believe that
>nobody is arguing about it.
Perhaps, I was barking at a wrong tree. Perhaps, it was
either Kaz or USA who said it.
USA
Anybody is OK with me if they agree with me. They don't have to be Korean.
> 2) If I disagree with you, I am an anti-American.
Wrong... if you defend Enemies of the United States you are anti-american
while
attacking the United States, that's anti-American.
That''s you Kay.
> 3) Koreans are inferior race, compared to
> Americans and Japanese.
That was said as a direct counter to the RACIST PSYCHOTIC SUPERTECH who
claims that
Koreans are superior to Americans, Chinese and Japanese. Not to other
posters.
Even other Korean-American posters know what a racist psycho he is.
He is the one who calls Japanese "japs" and "wae" consistently. He is such a
racial supremacist
that he believes that Koreans conquored Europe in 600 AD.
> 4) If some non_USA born person says something you
> disagree with you, s/he acts like one just off a "banana boat."
Only if that person claims to "BE MORE AMERICAN" or "KNOW MORE ABOUT BEING
AMERICAN"
than someone else. To claim such a thing is indicative of being an FOB.
Again, That's you Kay.
> 5) If a naturalized citizen says something critical of the US, you say
s/he should go back to where s/he
> came from.
>
Wrong....if a Naturalized Citizen defends America's enemies while attacking
the US, then yes they should
go back to where they came from.
You are a Naturalized citizen right Kay? Did you not take a SWORN OATH to
uphold the laws of the United States
and to SERVE IN A NON-COMBATANT ROLE for the United States should you be
called upon?
Did you NOT DENOUNCE ALL ALLEGIANCE TO ANY OTHER FOREIGN GOVERNMENT???
min10011
"USA" <U...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> "min10011" <min1...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:D8iHa.145708$h42....@twister.nyc.rr.com...
> > That is so true. Matsuda's selective documentation is as specious as
the
> > ones that the PRC produces to declare that more than 30 million Chinese
> died
> > during the Japanese occupation. He has conjured up a little fantasy
that
> > Japan had committed no wrong and indeed had noble intentions. The
idiotic
> > likes of U...@aol.com buy into the fantasy until they hear that the
attack
> on
> > Pearl Harbor was a justified "pre-emptive" strike.
> >
>
> This is what we call an UNPROVOKED ATTACK...
Go ahead and call it whatever you want, but theoretically speaking it was no
more provoked or unprovoked than G. W. Bush's war on Iraq.
> What is up YOUR ass you fucking moron?
> What fantasy????? I haven't agreed with a thing that Matsuda has said.
> When have I EVER denied or supported Japanese Military atrocities during
> WWII???
Nor have you ever repudiated it. Japanese nationalism and imperialist
ambitions were fueled by an intense, near sacred belief in their racial
superiority over other Asians and, in the early war years when the Europeans
and Americans surrendered en masse, the rest of humanity. Don't believe for
a second that because they have been pacifist for so long that the Japanese
today harbor no sense of racial superiority. Accusing the Koreans of being
racist as vocally as you do while beatifying the Japanese just exposes your
ignorance of East Asian history and its cultural dynamics. The racism you
should be worrying about is the insidious kind propagated by
pseudo-academics like Shuji Matsuda and not by kids like Supertech.
> You obviously have NO IDEA what you are talking about, merely attackling
me
> because of your RACIST KOREAN attutude towards Americans.
You say that I am a racist *Korean*. Why? Are you a racist yourself?
Kay
>
>
>"Kay" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in message
>news:hssHa.148$vC1....@news.uswest.net...
>> In article <m6sHa.256$yJ....@nwrdny03.gnilink.net>, U...@aol.com says..
>> >"Kay" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in message
>> >news:cBrHa.50$7H5....@news.uswest.net...
>> >> In article <HAjHa.1342$ha2...@nwrdny03.gnilink.net>, U...@aol.com s
>> >> >because of your RACIST KOREAN attutude towards Americans.
>> >>
>> >> I believe he is attacking your racist attitude,
>> >> not the other way around. You don't have to
>> >> be so obnoxious all the time. It does not
>> >> hurt you to be more objective once in a while
>> >> instead of ranting your racial prejudice.
>> >> Does an "ugly American" ring your bell?
>> >Are you completely psychotic Kay?
>> >I never said anything about Japan and this idiot says:
>> >"The idiotic likes of U...@aol.com buy into the fantasy until they hea
>r t
>> >hat
>> >the
>> >attack on Pearl Harbor was a justified "pre-emptive" strike."
>> As they say, "if it quacks like a duck and
>> walks like a duck, it must be a duck."
>>
>> So far, this is what I have seen of you in sck.
>>
>> 1) Koreans are OK as long as they agree with you.
>
>Anybody is OK with me if they agree with me. They don't have to be Korea
>n.
>
>> 2) If I disagree with you, I am an anti-American.
>
>Wrong... if you defend Enemies of the United States
>you are anti-american while attacking the United States,
>that's anti-American. That''s you Kay.
Even if the US is wrong? In other words, "America
ueber alles?"
You may believe, "America, right or wrong." You
probably don't know that the original quote was;
"America, right or wrong. If right, keep it right.
If wrong, make it right."
Following your country blindedly is what caused
Hitler's Germany. But then, Hitler is your hero, so
it may be OK for you but not for me.
>> 3) Koreans are inferior race, compared to
>> Americans and Japanese.
>
>That was said as a direct counter to the RACIST
>PSYCHOTIC SUPERTECH who claims that Koreans
>are superior to Americans, Chinese and Japanese. Not to other
>posters.
You are lying again. You told me that too. I don't remember
exact quote but you said something like Koreans are racists
and Japanese aren't. The fact is I have met Korean racist,
Japanese racists, American racists (not just you but others
who are actually worse), and Chinese racists. Singling out
one nation/one race is a sure sign of racism.
>Even other Korean-American posters know what a racist psycho he is.
>He is the one who calls Japanese "japs" and "wae" consistently. He is su
>ch aracial supremacist that he believes that Koreans conquored Europe in 600
AD.
If he said it, I have to say he is wrong. However, I am not
going to believe you without checking since lying seems to
be your way of life.
>> 4) If some non_USA born person says something you
>> disagree with you, s/he acts like one just off a "banana boat."
>
>Only if that person claims to "BE MORE AMERICAN" or
>"KNOW MORE ABOUT BEING AMERICAN"
>than someone else. To claim such a thing is indicative of being
>an FOB.
What if that is true? I know I have done more for the US than you.
So, what do you do? You sit in front of a tube all day long,
yakking away, making some infantile remarks giving
America a bad name. Ask Koreans on this board how they
feel about America if the majority of Americans are like you.
Find out the answer and tell me how much you have done
for your country. You are a disgrace to America and humanity.
That is not patriotism; that is an act of a scoundrel.
>> 5) If a naturalized citizen says something critical of the US, you say
>s/he should go back to where s/he
>> came from.
>You are a Naturalized citizen right Kay? Did you
>not take a SWORN OATH to uphold the laws of the United States
>and to SERVE IN A NON-COMBATANT ROLE for the
>United States should you be called upon?
I took an oath and I have not violated it. Never. They
have not called me to serve, and therefore, I have not
violated it either.
>Did you NOT DENOUNCE ALL ALLEGIANCE TO
>ANY OTHER FOREIGN GOVERNMENT???
I have no allegiance to any foreign government, let alone
any other foreign government. That I disagree with you
about North Korea starving their own people is not
my allegiance to NK; it is stopping unnecessary lie just
to start a war. Objecting your spreading a ridiculous
rumor that North Koreans are eating their own
children is not my allegiance to NK. I was pointing
out your insensitivity to human decency.
>> However, if a US-born citizen does that, s/he is
>> a dirty liberal.
>>
>> I have met many rednecks and racists in the States.
>> They all talk like that, so I assumed it applied to
>> anyone.
It seems it bothers you when I call you a racist.
There is a very good remedy for that.
If you don't quacks like a duck and walk like a duck,
nobody will call you a duck.
Quite simple, and even you can do that.
USA
How do you know that the US is wrong? The only thing you can know with
absolute
certaintly is that YOU yourself do not agree with that particular US policy.
And to answer you question, Yes, to attack the United States while
simultaneously defending
her enemies is in my opinion Anti-American.
That takes you from being an American with an opinion to a defacto agent of
the enemy government.
>
> You may believe, "America, right or wrong." You
> probably don't know that the original quote was;
> "America, right or wrong. If right, keep it right.
> If wrong, make it right."
>
> Following your country blindedly is what caused
> Hitler's Germany. But then, Hitler is your hero, so
> it may be OK for you but not for me.
>
What?? Following WHO blindly caused Hitler's Germany?
What in the world are you talking about? Did the meds just kick in?
And again nice try at insulting me with name calling but I have made it
clear
that I do not like Facists and Dictators, unlike you.
> >> 3) Koreans are inferior race, compared to
> >> Americans and Japanese.
> >
> >That was said as a direct counter to the RACIST
> >PSYCHOTIC SUPERTECH who claims that Koreans
> >are superior to Americans, Chinese and Japanese. Not to other
> >posters.
>
> You are lying again. You told me that too. I don't remember
> exact quote but you said something like Koreans are racists
> and Japanese aren't. The fact is I have met Korean racist,
> Japanese racists, American racists (not just you but others
> who are actually worse), and Chinese racists. Singling out
> one nation/one race is a sure sign of racism.
>
No I am not lying. I have not lied to you once. No need whatsoever.
I said that More Korean posters show racism towards Japanese than Japanese
posters show racism towards Koreans. That is a simple fact.
Why does it give ytou hot flashes to constantly call me a racist?
You go out of your way, make up things that I didn't even say to support
your
argument that I am a racist. Why do you have such a need?
> >Even other Korean-American posters know what a racist psycho he is.
> >He is the one who calls Japanese "japs" and "wae" consistently. He is su
> >ch aracial supremacist that he believes that Koreans conquored Europe in
600
> AD.
>
> If he said it, I have to say he is wrong. However, I am not
> going to believe you without checking since lying seems to
> be your way of life.
>
Again, I have not lied once to you as there has been no need whatsoever.
You go check. See for yourself.
> >> 4) If some non_USA born person says something you
> >> disagree with you, s/he acts like one just off a "banana boat."
> >
> >Only if that person claims to "BE MORE AMERICAN" or
> >"KNOW MORE ABOUT BEING AMERICAN"
> >than someone else. To claim such a thing is indicative of being
> >an FOB.
>
> What if that is true? I know I have done more for the US than you.
Christ!! There you go again!! "I have done more for the US than you".
So you are again trying to claim that you are "More American" than me?
You just keep proving exactly what I am saying.
> So, what do you do? You sit in front of a tube all day long,
> yakking away, making some infantile remarks giving
> America a bad name. Ask Koreans on this board how they
> feel about America if the majority of Americans are like you.
> Find out the answer and tell me how much you have done
> for your country. You are a disgrace to America and humanity.
> That is not patriotism; that is an act of a scoundrel.
>
Most Koreans..and let's be clear about this...Korean-Americans... I think
are good Americans.
They don't have this need to defend North Korea like you do.
> >> 5) If a naturalized citizen says something critical of the US, you say
> >s/he should go back to where s/he
> >> came from.
>
> >You are a Naturalized citizen right Kay? Did you
> >not take a SWORN OATH to uphold the laws of the United States
> >and to SERVE IN A NON-COMBATANT ROLE for the
> >United States should you be called upon?
>
> I took an oath and I have not violated it. Never. They
> have not called me to serve, and therefore, I have not
> violated it either.
And what will you do when called Kay?
Sit there ranting that "THE US IS WRONG!!!"????
>
> >Did you NOT DENOUNCE ALL ALLEGIANCE TO
> >ANY OTHER FOREIGN GOVERNMENT???
>
> I have no allegiance to any foreign government, let alone
> any other foreign government. That I disagree with you
> about North Korea starving their own people is not
> my allegiance to NK; it is stopping unnecessary lie just
> to start a war.
You are staying true to the word but way off on the spirit.
The very fact that you call an article (several actually) publically
viewable
on the internet a "Lie" exposes where you true allegance lies.
> Objecting your spreading a ridiculous
> rumor that North Koreans are eating their own
> children is not my allegiance to NK. I was pointing
> out your insensitivity to human decency.
>
Then go complain to the website.
> >> However, if a US-born citizen does that, s/he is
> >> a dirty liberal.
> >> I have met many rednecks and racists in the States.
> >> They all talk like that, so I assumed it applied to
> >> anyone.
> It seems it bothers you when I call you a racist.
> There is a very good remedy for that.
> If you don't quacks like a duck and walk like a duck,
> nobody will call you a duck.
> Quite simple, and even you can do that.
As a Naturalized Korean -American again I implore you think about your
penchant for defending North Korea
while attacking the United States.
There are tons of third-fourth generation Korean-Americans who wouldn't
think twice about stabbing
a North Korean soldier if so ordered.
Calling me a racist or a fascist isn't going to to eliminate the fact that
you a liberal America-Hater.
USA
If course not. Why should I "repudiate it" when I wasn't discussing it with
anyone
in the first place?
>Japanese nationalism and imperialist
> ambitions were fueled by an intense, near sacred belief in their racial
> superiority over other Asians and, in the early war years when the
Europeans
> and Americans surrendered en masse, the rest of humanity. Don't believe
for
> a second that because they have been pacifist for so long that the
Japanese
> today harbor no sense of racial superiority.
All people harbor a sense of Racial Superiority.
You name me one that doesn't.
> Accusing the Koreans of being
> racist as vocally as you do while beatifying the Japanese just exposes
your
> ignorance of East Asian history and its cultural dynamics. The racism you
> should be worrying about is the insidious kind propagated by
> pseudo-academics like Shuji Matsuda and not by kids like Supertech.
>
The number od Korean posters who display racism towards Japanese is far
greater than
the other way around. That is an objective fact and you know it.
I don't see stating a gact like that as "beautifying" the Japanese or
Anybody.
And I have not seen Matsuda come in here ranting about Koreans, Gooks, etc.
So exactly what "insidious" racism are you talking about?
> > You obviously have NO IDEA what you are talking about, merely attackling
> me
> > because of your RACIST KOREAN attutude towards Americans.
>
> You say that I am a racist *Korean*. Why? Are you a racist yourself?
Well I don't know. I Hate the North Korean Regime. I support South Korea and
Japan.
Does that make me a racist??
I guess you must think so since you already labelled me as racist.
I believe you are a racist because although you have no grounds to call me
one you do.
Just because I am not Korean
Kay
into the central theme here.
In article <upGHa.3701$bx3....@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>, U...@aol.com
says...
>As a Naturalized Korean -American again I implore you think about your
>penchant for defending North Korea
>while attacking the United States.
>There are tons of third-fourth generation Korean-Americans who wouldn't
>think twice about stabbing
>a North Korean soldier if so ordered.
>Calling me a racist or a fascist isn't going to eliminate the fact th
>at
>you a liberal America-Hater.
When did I ever defend North Korea? I have
never done that. What I did was defying
your myth that
1) North Korea deliberately starve her citizens
2) North Koreans eat their own children.
The above is vile beyond belief. I maintain
that people are people. They may have different
set of values and political systems but nobody
eat their children and no government eat their
own children. Even Stalin and Hitler did not
do that.
Yet, you have the gall to post this garbage,
probably put out by a right wing nutcases such
as John Birch Society, and pass it as if it is
a God-given truth. Hmm, perhaps you are a
Bircher or a KKK. No matter.
If you think North Koreans are capable of doing
such evil deeds, you age saying that Koreans in general
have no sense of moral. The difference between North
and South is ideology. Korean people have same heritage
and same moral value. You are not insulting North Koreans;
you are insulting the entire population of Korea.
That is vile and evil even for your degenerated standard.
Even Pat Robertson wouldn't do that.
You talk like being a liberal is some
kind of sin or disease. Look, you moron, the
majority of advancement in terms of social
justice in America has been made by the
liberals. While your conservative brothers and
sisters were dead set against racial integration, and
setting fire in front of "colored" folks' lawns, liberals
were marching the streets, risking their lives and security,
to get the racial integration in America. If not for the
liberals, you will be wearing bed sheets today and set fire
in front of homes of "colored people." Maybe you still do,
considering how insensitive racist you are. The right wing
conservatives were cheering Gov. George Wallace's
racial policy. The right wing conservatives were cheering
Gov. Lester Maddox of Georgia when he refused to server
"colored people" in his restaurant. I bet you yearn those days.
Civil rights law was initiated by the liberals and passed by the
liberals, not by the right wing conservatives. Eliminating
immigration quotas, blatantly racist policy of the past, was
accomplished by the liberals.
Name-calling? What a novel idea? Aren't you
the one who calls names at anybody who disagrees
with you? Shall we ask the posters here? Aren't you the
one who called me names first, and frequently ever since?
Do you want to compare the number of name-calling between
you and me and the loser pays $10 for each excess name-calling?
No, I am not going to kill a North Korean soldier
just because he is a NK soldier. That's called a
murder. If I am called upon by the US army and I am in a
battle against NK, Canada, Mexico, or Japan,
yes, I would fire at them. However, I am not going to
murder a North Korean, or anybody for that matter only because
he is not an American; that's your department.
I remind you that my family lost some people from
the Korean conflict. Therefore, I have reasons to have grudges
against them; you do not. However, I also know there are
differences between killing in battle field and murdering.
You claim to be a Christian, yet you don't seem to know
anything what Jesus tried to teach you.
Yes, I am proud to be a liberal. In fact, I am
a bleeding heart liberal when it comes to race and
peace. I am neither a warmonger nor a racist as you are.
I hope you are happy to hear that.
USA
> I will skip all the garbage and get right
> into the central theme here.
>
> In article <upGHa.3701$bx3....@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>, U...@aol.com
> says...
>
> >As a Naturalized Korean -American again I implore you think about your
> >penchant for defending North Korea
> >while attacking the United States.
> >There are tons of third-fourth generation Korean-Americans who wouldn't
> >think twice about stabbing
> >a North Korean soldier if so ordered.
> >Calling me a racist or a fascist isn't going to eliminate the fact th
> >at
> >you a liberal America-Hater.
>
> When did I ever defend North Korea? I have
> never done that. What I did was defying
> your myth that
>
> 1) North Korea deliberately starve her citizens
> 2) North Koreans eat their own children.
>
You saw the websites. Immediately you started attacking me saying that I was
"fabricating rumors".
Your first response is to defend North Korea rather than worry anout the
victims.
You got a problem and think the websites are all lies, go tell them.
Who's stopping you?
Those aren't "my myths". They are allegedly from the mouths of North
Koreans who
have managed to escape North Korea. Are they all liars?
> If you think North Koreans are capable of doing
> such evil deeds, you age saying that Koreans in general
> have no sense of moral. The difference between North
> and South is ideology. Korean people have same heritage
> and same moral value. You are not insulting North Koreans;
> you are insulting the entire population of Korea.
> That is vile and evil even for your degenerated standard.
> Even Pat Robertson wouldn't do that.
>
North Korea has already admitted that their Songun policy is hurting the
people.
They have already admitted that their directing all the resources to their
huge conventional
military has been at the expense of the people.
How is it that you are still here like a moron denying something that the
North Korean Government
has already admitted???
> You talk like being a liberal is some
> kind of sin or disease. Look, you moron, the
> majority of advancement in terms of social
> justice in America has been made by the
> liberals. While your conservative brothers and
> sisters were dead set against racial integration, and
> setting fire in front of "colored" folks' lawns, liberals
> were marching the streets, risking their lives and security,
> to get the racial integration in America. If not for the
> liberals, you will be wearing bed sheets today and set fire
> in front of homes of "colored people." Maybe you still do,
> considering how insensitive racist you are. The right wing
> conservatives were cheering Gov. George Wallace's
> racial policy. The right wing conservatives were cheering
> Gov. Lester Maddox of Georgia when he refused to server
> "colored people" in his restaurant. I bet you yearn those days.
>
> Civil rights law was initiated by the liberals and passed by the
> liberals, not by the right wing conservatives. Eliminating
> immigration quotas, blatantly racist policy of the past, was
> accomplished by the liberals.
>
Very nice Anti-American rant.
I don't like rednecks, fascists, racial supremcists, hell I;m not even sure
if I like Southerners...so you can froth at the mouth all you want.
It doesn't have anything to do with me as much as you wish you did asshole.
> Name-calling? What a novel idea? Aren't you
> the one who calls names at anybody who disagrees
> with you? Shall we ask the posters here? Aren't you the
> one who called me names first, and frequently ever since?
> Do you want to compare the number of name-calling between
> you and me and the loser pays $10 for each excess name-calling?
>
No I am the one who calls you exactly what you are...a far left wing liberal
with
the brains of a retarded monkey.
That's reserved just for you pinhead.
> No, I am not going to kill a North Korean soldier
> just because he is a NK soldier. That's called a
> murder. If I am called upon by the US army and I am in a
> battle against NK, Canada, Mexico, or Japan,
> yes, I would fire at them. However, I am not going to
> murder a North Korean, or anybody for that matter only because
> he is not an American; that's your department.
Oh so now you are calling me a murderer? Fine..then I will call you a
child-rapist.
> I remind you that my family lost some people from
> the Korean conflict. Therefore, I have reasons to have grudges
> against them; you do not. However, I also know there are
> differences between killing in battle field and murdering.
You are so full of shit. No body who lost family could be as retarded
as you.
> You claim to be a Christian, yet you don't seem to know
> anything what Jesus tried to teach you.
>
Actually...I never did claim that.
> Yes, I am proud to be a liberal. In fact, I am
> a bleeding heart liberal when it comes to race and
> peace. I am neither a warmonger nor a racist as you are.
> I hope you are happy to hear that.
>
You are a retarded monkey.
Kay
In article <nGLHa.27$LL5...@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>, U...@aol.com says...
>
>
>"Kay" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in message
>news:SfLHa.289$Ma2....@news.uswest.net...
>> I will skip all the garbage and get right
>> into the central theme here.
>>
>> In article <upGHa.3701$bx3....@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>, USA@aol.c
No, I do not read John Birch Society websites.
They have no merit what-so-ever.
>> If you think North Koreans are capable of doing
>> such evil deeds, you age saying that Koreans in general
>> have no sense of moral. The difference between North
>> and South is ideology. Korean people have same heritage
>> and same moral value. You are not insulting North Koreans;
>> you are insulting the entire population of Korea.
>> That is vile and evil even for your degenerated standard.
>> Even Pat Robertson wouldn't do that.
>>
>North Korea has already admitted that their Songun policy is hurting the
>people.
>They have already admitted that their directing all the resources to the
>ir
>huge conventional
>military has been at the expense of the people.
>How is it that you are still here like a moron denying something that th
>e
>North Korean Government
>has already admitted???
Why are you so eager to expose your ignorance
and prejudice? North Korea admitted the policy
is hurting people. Does that mean the North
Korea deliberately starved their people to death?
Bush's economic policy has been a disaster.
Because of his incompetence, hundreds of thousands
of Americans are out of job, many of which are
my friends. Don't be so delighted. Some of
them are stinking right wing conservatives like you.
Bush is not man enough to admit his failure;
he'd rather blame Clinton as gutless right-wing
often do. But suppose he admits his failure.
Would that mean that Bush incorporated
wrong economic policy to take away jobs from
these people?
I thought at first I thought you were just dumb.
I am beginning to think that you are just evil.
How else can you come up with such evil thoughts?
Nobody in history deliberately caused famine to
kill his own people!!! It just does not make
sense. And you say I am defending Kim Jong Il?
I am not defending him. I am defending humanity!
Get that straight! For a guy who is bragging
about his IQ, you surely are dumb.
You sure talk like a redneck fasicst. As they say,
"if you quack like a duck,..."
>> Name-calling? What a novel idea? Aren't you
>> the one who calls names at anybody who disagrees
>> with you? Shall we ask the posters here? Aren't you the
>> one who called me names first, and frequently ever since?
>> Do you want to compare the number of name-calling between
>> you and me and the loser pays $10 for each excess name-calling?
>>
>
>No I am the one who calls you exactly what you are...a far left wing lib
>eral
>with
>the brains of a retarded monkey.
>That's reserved just for you pinhead.
Well, are you man enought to take the bet or what?
Are you so sissy that you just are going to resort
to ranting?
>> No, I am not going to kill a North Korean soldier
>> just because he is a NK soldier. That's called a
>> murder. If I am called upon by the US army and I am in a
>> battle against NK, Canada, Mexico, or Japan,
>> yes, I would fire at them. However, I am not going to
>> murder a North Korean, or anybody for that matter only because
>> he is not an American; that's your department.
>
>Oh so now you are calling me a murderer? Fine..then I will call you a
>child-rapist.
Child-rapist? Where did that come from? Maybe
from your fantasy? You insinuated that you would
kill a NK soldier without any condition. That is
called the murder!
>> You claim to be a Christian, yet you don't seem to know
>> anything what Jesus tried to teach you.
>>
>Actually...I never did claim that.
>
>> Yes, I am proud to be a liberal. In fact, I am
>> a bleeding heart liberal when it comes to race and
>> peace. I am neither a warmonger nor a racist as you are.
>> I hope you are happy to hear that.
>>
>
>You are a retarded monkey.
A retarded monkey does not hurt anybody.
A racist murderer does.
min10011
>
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> >
> > "USA" <U...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:HAjHa.1342$ha2...@nwrdny03.gnilink.net...
> > >
> > > What fantasy????? I haven't agreed with a thing that Matsuda has said.
> > > When have I EVER denied or supported Japanese Military atrocities
during
> > > WWII???
> >
> > Nor have you ever repudiated it.
>
> If course not. Why should I "repudiate it" when I wasn't discussing it
with
> anyone
> in the first place?
And who asked your opinion of Koreans?
> >Japanese nationalism and imperialist
> > ambitions were fueled by an intense, near sacred belief in their racial
> > superiority over other Asians and, in the early war years when the
> Europeans
> > and Americans surrendered en masse, the rest of humanity. Don't believe
> for
> > a second that because they have been pacifist for so long that the
> Japanese
> > today harbor no sense of racial superiority.
>
> All people harbor a sense of Racial Superiority.
> You name me one that doesn't.
You, apparently.
> > Accusing the Koreans of being
> > racist as vocally as you do while beatifying the Japanese just exposes
> your
> > ignorance of East Asian history and its cultural dynamics. The racism
you
> > should be worrying about is the insidious kind propagated by
> > pseudo-academics like Shuji Matsuda and not by kids like Supertech.
> >
> The number od Korean posters who display racism towards Japanese is far
> greater than
> the other way around. That is an objective fact and you know it.
You haven't been around long enough to say, Newbie.
> I don't see stating a gact like that as "beautifying" the Japanese or
> Anybody.
> And I have not seen Matsuda come in here ranting about Koreans, Gooks,
etc.
> So exactly what "insidious" racism are you talking about?
Unfortunately, your type will never get it.
> > > You obviously have NO IDEA what you are talking about, merely
attackling
> > me
> > > because of your RACIST KOREAN attutude towards Americans.
> >
> > You say that I am a racist *Korean*. Why? Are you a racist yourself?
>
> Well I don't know. I Hate the North Korean Regime. I support South Korea
and
> Japan.
> Does that make me a racist??
> I guess you must think so since you already labelled me as racist.
Yes. I remember my labelling you a racist right after you said, "Die,
Korean gook motherfuckers!"
> I believe you are a racist because although you have no grounds to call me
> one you do.
> Just because I am not Korean
Well, nobody's perfect...
USA
> Are you a pathetic liar or what?
>
Oh so you think sites like CNN, BBC. MSNBC are all Korea-Hating rags???
> >> If you think North Koreans are capable of doing
> >> such evil deeds, you age saying that Koreans in general
> >> have no sense of moral. The difference between North
> >> and South is ideology. Korean people have same heritage
> >> and same moral value. You are not insulting North Koreans;
> >> you are insulting the entire population of Korea.
> >> That is vile and evil even for your degenerated standard.
> >> Even Pat Robertson wouldn't do that.
> >>
> >North Korea has already admitted that their Songun policy is hurting the
> >people.
> >They have already admitted that their directing all the resources to the
> >ir
> >huge conventional
> >military has been at the expense of the people.
> >How is it that you are still here like a moron denying something that th
> >e
> >North Korean Government
> >has already admitted???
>
> Why are you so eager to expose your ignorance
> and prejudice? North Korea admitted the policy
> is hurting people. Does that mean the North
> Korea deliberately starved their people to death?
Yes it does fucking moron..what do thjink that they just realized this
NOW????
YOu don't think they've been aware of the cost of Songun for the past
several years???
Give your butt buddies in North Korea more credit than that!
> Bush's economic policy has been a disaster.
> Because of his incompetence, hundreds of thousands
> of Americans are out of job, many of which are
> my friends. Don't be so delighted. Some of
> them are stinking right wing conservatives like you.
>
Yes Kay...thousands of Americans are eating rats and tree bark. Thousands of
Americans are running away
to Canada and Mexico. Yes Kay, 2,000,000 Americans died from starvation int
he 1990s.
I know YOU WISH SO MUCH for it to be true Kay, but wake up and smell
reality.
> Bush is not man enough to admit his failure;
> he'd rather blame Clinton as gutless right-wing
> often do. But suppose he admits his failure.
> Would that mean that Bush incorporated
> wrong economic policy to take away jobs from
> these people?
>
Oh here we go with the Bush-Bashing.
Go ahead, I couldn't care less.
> I thought at first I thought you were just dumb.
> I am beginning to think that you are just evil.
> How else can you come up with such evil thoughts?
> Nobody in history deliberately caused famine to
> kill his own people!!! It just does not make
> sense. And you say I am defending Kim Jong Il?
> I am not defending him. I am defending humanity!
> Get that straight! For a guy who is bragging
> about his IQ, you surely are dumb.
>
At first I thought you were just another misguided liberal and
America-Hater.
But now I realize thast you are just a retarded monkey who can type.
> >> You talk like being a liberal is some
> >> kind of sin or disease. Look, you moron, the
> >> majority of advancement in terms of social
> >> justice in America has been made by the
> >> liberals. While your conservative brothers and
> >> sisters were dead set against racial integration, and
> >> setting fire in front of "colored" folks' lawns, liberals
> >> were marching the streets, risking their lives and security,
> >> to get the racial integration in America. If not for the
> >> liberals, you will be wearing bed sheets today and set fire
> >> in front of homes of "colored people." Maybe you still do,
> >> considering how insensitive racist you are. The right wing
> >> conservatives were cheering Gov. George Wallace's
> >> racial policy. The right wing conservatives were cheering
> >> Gov. Lester Maddox of Georgia when he refused to server
> >> "colored people" in his restaurant. I bet you yearn those days.
> >>
No not all Kay......unlike Koreans I don't mind Black people.
At least I haven't shot any.
> >> Civil rights law was initiated by the liberals and passed by the
> >> liberals, not by the right wing conservatives. Eliminating
> >> immigration quotas, blatantly racist policy of the past, was
> >> accomplished by the liberals.
> >>
> >Very nice Anti-American rant.
> >I don't like rednecks, fascists, racial supremcists, hell I;m not even s
> >ure
> >if I like Southerners...so you can froth at the mouth all you want.
> >It doesn't have anything to do with me as much as you wish you did assho
> >le.
>
> You sure talk like a redneck fasicst. As they say,
> "if you quack like a duck,..."
And you squeak like a retarded monkey.
> >> Name-calling? What a novel idea? Aren't you
> >> the one who calls names at anybody who disagrees
> >> with you? Shall we ask the posters here? Aren't you the
> >> one who called me names first, and frequently ever since?
> >> Do you want to compare the number of name-calling between
> >> you and me and the loser pays $10 for each excess name-calling?
> >>
> >
> >No I am the one who calls you exactly what you are...a far left wing lib
> >eral with the brains of a retarded monkey.
> >That's reserved just for you pinhead.
>
> Well, are you man enought to take the bet or what?
> Are you so sissy that you just are going to resort
> to ranting?
>
Are you crazier than you already seem? Who TF cares?
> >> No, I am not going to kill a North Korean soldier
> >> just because he is a NK soldier. That's called a
> >> murder. If I am called upon by the US army and I am in a
> >> battle against NK, Canada, Mexico, or Japan,
> >> yes, I would fire at them. However, I am not going to
> >> murder a North Korean, or anybody for that matter only because
> >> he is not an American; that's your department.
> >
> >Oh so now you are calling me a murderer? Fine..then I will call you a
> >child-rapist.
>
> Child-rapist? Where did that come from? Maybe
> from your fantasy? You insinuated that you would
> kill a NK soldier without any condition. That is
> called the murder!
Oh is THAT what I said??? READ AGAIN FUCKTARD!!
"There are tons of third-fourth generation Korean-Americans who wouldn't
think twice about stabbing a North Korean soldier if so ordered."
How does that become "I would kill a North Korean Soldier without
any condition"??????
Did you ever learn English?
> >> Yes, I am proud to be a liberal. In fact, I am
> >> a bleeding heart liberal when it comes to race and
> >> peace. I am neither a warmonger nor a racist as you are.
> >> I hope you are happy to hear that.
> >>
> >
> >You are a retarded monkey.
>
> A retarded monkey does not hurt anybody.
> A racist murderer does.
And I am neither a racist nor a murderer.
But thanks for admitting that you are a retarded monkey.
USA
>
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> > >
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> > > news:HAjHa.1342$ha2...@nwrdny03.gnilink.net...
> > > >
> > > > What is up YOUR ass you fucking moron?
> > > > What fantasy????? I haven't agreed with a thing that Matsuda has
said.
> > > > When have I EVER denied or supported Japanese Military atrocities
> during
> > > > WWII???
> > >
> > > Nor have you ever repudiated it.
> >
> > If course not. Why should I "repudiate it" when I wasn't discussing it
> with
> > anyone
> > in the first place?
>
> And who asked your opinion of Koreans?
I don't need anyone to ask me. Do you think I do?
> > >Japanese nationalism and imperialist
> > > ambitions were fueled by an intense, near sacred belief in their
racial
> > > superiority over other Asians and, in the early war years when the
> > Europeans
> > > and Americans surrendered en masse, the rest of humanity. Don't
believe
> > for a second that because they have been pacifist for so long that the
> > Japanese today harbor no sense of racial superiority.
> >
> > All people harbor a sense of Racial Superiority.
> > You name me one that doesn't.
>
> You, apparently.
>
Well then how the hell can you call me racist?
> > > Accusing the Koreans of being
> > > racist as vocally as you do while beatifying the Japanese just exposes
> > your
> > > ignorance of East Asian history and its cultural dynamics. The racism
> you
> > > should be worrying about is the insidious kind propagated by
> > > pseudo-academics like Shuji Matsuda and not by kids like Supertech.
> > >
> > The number od Korean posters who display racism towards Japanese is far
> > greater than
> > the other way around. That is an objective fact and you know it.
>
> You haven't been around long enough to say, Newbie.
>
Oh the old "newbie" hand...what that means is "I have no oife other than the
usenet so
I can pretend to be better than other preople because I've been here
longer".
Aren't you at all embarassed to admit that?
> > I don't see stating a gact like that as "beautifying" the Japanese or
> > Anybody.
> > And I have not seen Matsuda come in here ranting about Koreans, Gooks,
> etc.
> > So exactly what "insidious" racism are you talking about?
>
> Unfortunately, your type will never get it.
>
And you do? That's a laugh.
> > > > You obviously have NO IDEA what you are talking about, merely
> attackling
> > > me
> > > > because of your RACIST KOREAN attutude towards Americans.
> > >
> > > You say that I am a racist *Korean*. Why? Are you a racist yourself?
> >
> > Well I don't know. I Hate the North Korean Regime. I support South Korea
> and Japan Does that make me a racist??
> > I guess you must think so since you already labelled me as racist.
>
> Yes. I remember my labelling you a racist right after you said, "Die,
> Korean gook motherfuckers!"
>
You are another FUCKING LIAR.
I have never said that.
Show me where I said that you lying piece of shit.
> > I believe you are a racist because although you have no grounds to call
me
> > one you do.
> > Just because I am not Korean
>
> Well, nobody's perfect...
>
What a RACIST remark. A bit of Racial Superiority complex?????
You been sleeping with supertech or what?
min10011
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> >
> > "USA" <U...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:UwGHa.3703$Yy3....@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
> > >
> > > "min10011" <min1...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:zAwHa.146890$h42....@twister.nyc.rr.com...
> > > >
> > > > "USA" <U...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:HAjHa.1342$ha2...@nwrdny03.gnilink.net...
> > > > >
> > > > > What is up YOUR ass you fucking moron?
> > > > > What fantasy????? I haven't agreed with a thing that Matsuda has
> said.
> > > > > When have I EVER denied or supported Japanese Military atrocities
> > during
> > > > > WWII???
> > > >
> > > > Nor have you ever repudiated it.
> > >
> > > If course not. Why should I "repudiate it" when I wasn't discussing it
> > with
> > > anyone
> > > in the first place?
> >
> > And who asked your opinion of Koreans?
>
> I don't need anyone to ask me. Do you think I do?
I see. So it is your conscience that guides you. Very glad to see it
operating at all levels.
> > > I guess you must think so since you already labelled me as racist.
> >
> > Yes. I remember my labelling you a racist right after you said, "Die,
> > Korean gook motherfuckers!"
> >
> You are another FUCKING LIAR.
> I have never said that.
> Show me where I said that you lying piece of shit.
My apologies. You actually said, "DIE, KOREAN GOOK MOTHERFUCKERS!!! And
take the Jews and niggers with you."
USA
How do you know I'm not black?
min10011
I don't with absolute certainty. How do you know with absolute certainty
that I am Korean?
Kay
>>> In article <5ba2f89c.0306...@posting.google.com>,
>>grun...@msn.com
>Ask the CHIINESE what an INVASION IS YOU MORON!
>
>Ask the CHINESE what being treated inhumanely is!
No kidding! In one post, USA says Japanese
did not commit atrocity. In fact he says Japanese
did favor to Korea by annexing it. Now, he says
Japanese were inhumane to Chinese.
Were Japanese inhumane or what? Are you saying
that they were inhumane to Chinese but did favor
to Koreans? Can you tell us, Mr. IQ, why Japanese
loved Koreans so much?
(let me count how many 4-letter words you will use
to respond to this post. :-)
Kay
shuji__...@hotmail.com says...
What are you getting at?
USA
> In article <3ZtGa.718$hJ3...@nwrdny03.gnilink.net>, U...@aol.com says...
> >
> >>"Kay" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in message
> >>news:EcbFa.67$P9.1...@news.uswest.net...
> >>> In article <5ba2f89c.0306...@posting.google.com>,
> >>grun...@msn.com
>
>
> >Ask the CHIINESE what an INVASION IS YOU MORON!
> >
> >Ask the CHINESE what being treated inhumanely is!
>
> No kidding! In one post, USA says Japanese
> did not commit atrocity.
I NEVER SAID THAT YOU FUCKING LIAR!!!
QUOTE ME WHERE I SAID THEY NEVER COMITED ATROCITIES!!
I DARE YOU!
USA
left field to attack the Non-Korean in support of another Korean.
It doesn't matter that the Korean that I'm arguing with is a liar and
possibly
deranged and defends the starvation in North Korea.
If you weren't Korean. why else would you do such a thing?
min10011
I don't know. Must be my conscience ; ).
Kay
>But now I realize thast you are just a retarded monkey who can type.
I'd rather have a monkey who can type
than a Fascist who is full of hatred.
>No not all Kay......unlike Koreans I don't mind Black people.
>At least I haven't shot any.
Really? Where have I heard that before?
Perhaps you haven't shot any because you
have not had a chance?
Keep ranting and you are showing exactly
what you are: redneck racist. "unlike
Koreans" sure sounds like racist ranting
to me.
Kay
says...
>
>
>"min10011" <min1...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:zAwHa.146890$h42....@twister.nyc.rr.com...
>I guess you must think so since you already labelled me as racist.
USA, I believe most people on this board
know that you are a foul-mouthed racist. How do you
think they found it out? From your own postings,
of course.
As a fellow American, I will give you an
advice once more. If being called a racist
is so hard on you, then stop acting like it.
It is that simple. Even a guy with an IQ 90
can understand it. You'd better stop making
racist posts either. You are making Americans
really look bad. Some people may believe it.
Kay
>HAHAHAHA...how do you know I'm not jewish you idiot?
That's easy. If you were Jewish, you would not
talk like you admire Adolph Hitler.
>How do you know I'm not black?
Another easy one. You talk like a redneck
racist with foul language and all.
Austin Pierre HaeJin So
:> Why are you so eager to expose your ignorance
:> and prejudice? North Korea admitted the policy
:> is hurting people. Does that mean the North
:> Korea deliberately starved their people to death?
: Yes it does fucking moron..what do thjink that they just realized this
: NOW????
: YOu don't think they've been aware of the cost of Songun for the past
: several years???
: Give your butt buddies in North Korea more credit than that!
Yes...in fact, Kim Jong Il has created the world's first weather machine to
fulfill his dastardly deeds. He turns the dial to 11 and voila! instant
flooding. Oh...but you know, that came after his development of the arable land
machine designed to suck out all the nutrients from whatever arable land
that exists in North Korea. Problem is that he forgot about the collapse of the
USSR and how reliant he was on their grain...but he still had his vodka so I
guess it didn't really sink in...
Actually, I'm lying...he bought the machines off the Ethiopians since they seem
to have mastered the art of sucking out the West of its charitable funds.
Austin
P.S. My advice to you is to really stop trying to label as racist all that are
ganging up on you Sowa...er...USA. REmember...it has never been about you being
a white boy, but it has always been about how much of an absolute idiot you
always have...I mean...are. Must be pretty traumatic...always wondering why no
one likes you, figuring that maybe among some asians they would take you in
because they didn't know any better. But alas! The jig is up yet again...and you
are being kicked out (again) from the asian club, and because you can't stand
this repeat of your loneliness, you label asians "racist" because they are all
ganging up on you, when the only reason why they are ganging up on you is
because you are just one big dumbass.
Austin P. So (Hae Jin)
> That was said as a direct counter to the RACIST PSYCHOTIC SUPERTECH who
> claims that
> Koreans are superior to Americans, Chinese and Japanese. Not to other
> posters.
> Even other Korean-American posters know what a racist psycho he is.
> He is the one who calls Japanese "japs" and "wae" consistently.
"Japs" is one thing. I don't see you ragging on any of the white boys around
here who used the same terms. Nor have I ever seen you ragging on any of the
chinese, etc. who used the term.
"Wae" is not a derogatory term. It is the name that Japanese gave themselves
and that Koreans have historically referred to Japan. If used with "-nom"
then *that* is derogatory.
> He is such a
> racial supremacist
> that he believes that Koreans conquored Europe in 600 AD.
Misguided sense of history. Big deal. Kinda like some americans around here.
These are supposed to be the "smoking gun"? Lol~!
Are you sure you aren't republican?
Austin
USA
"Austin P. So (Hae Jin)" <hae...@netinfo.ubc.ca> wrote in message
news:bcp4c5$1a9$5...@nntp.itservices.ubc.ca...
> "USA" <U...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:tstHa.674$Uh2...@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
> > That was said as a direct counter to the RACIST PSYCHOTIC SUPERTECH who
> > claims that
> > Koreans are superior to Americans, Chinese and Japanese. Not to other
> > posters.
> > Even other Korean-American posters know what a racist psycho he is.
> > He is the one who calls Japanese "japs" and "wae" consistently.
>
> "Japs" is one thing. I don't see you ragging on any of the white boys
around
> here who used the same terms. Nor have I ever seen you ragging on any of
the
> chinese, etc. who used the term.
Wrong Austin Pee.
Ask any of the chinese like Lin Chi, Eric Chang, and all the other Chinese
Racists.
I've crapped all over them for using "jap".
And White boys? See how I've treated Matthew Outland. I've gone after all
posters who use
racist language.
The only one I haven't gone after is Leo Lee and his anti-chinese garbage
because, well, I think
he is really insane.
>
> "Wae" is not a derogatory term. It is the name that Japanese gave
themselves
> and that Koreans have historically referred to Japan. If used with "-nom"
> then *that* is derogatory.
>
According to Supertech himself, it is a deragatopry term meaning "midgets".
> > He is such a
> > racial supremacist
> > that he believes that Koreans conquored Europe in 600 AD.
>
> Misguided sense of history. Big deal. Kinda like some americans around
here.
>
Misguided? How about 180 degrees in the wrong direction.
He uses it to support his contention that Koreans are racially superior to
everyone else.
USA
"Austin Pierre HaeJin So" <hae...@interchange.ubc.ca> wrote in message
news:bcoukn$rl4$1...@nntp.itservices.ubc.ca...
You're in no position to be giving out "advice" to anyone...now go back to
your schoolbooks
little boy
Kay
>You're in no position to be giving out "advice" to anyone...now go back
>to
>your schoolbooks
>little boy
Yes, I am. When I see children misbehaving,
I help them to shape up. Both Jesus and
confucius told me to do it.
USA
How do you feel about the persecution of Christians
in North Korea Kay?
Are you going to deny it exists?
Are you going to say that the sites that carry those stories are "rags"?
Or.....are you going to say that my asking this question is "racist" and an
"insult to all Koreans"???
Kay
In article <lMYHa.617$225...@nwrdny03.gnilink.net>, U...@aol.com says...
USA, if you admit your errors, you will get
more respect. If you keep insisting your
ignorance, you are proving yourself what a
loser you are.
Everything Austin said is correct.
Kaz used derogatory terms frequently. Yet,
the only thing I saw of your post is justifying
him.
Makoto uses profanity against others who disagree
with him. Yet, I have not seen any statement
from you. Perhaps because you are a worse
offender than he? What right then do you have
tell only Koreans not to use them? Remind you
I do not approve of using those terms by anybody.
I am merely pointing out your hypocrisy and racism.
>> "Wae" is not a derogatory term. It is the name that Japanese gave
>themselves
>> and that Koreans have historically referred to Japan. If used with "-n
>om"
>> then *that* is derogatory.
>>
>
>According to Supertech himself, it is a deragatopry term meaning "midget
>s".
If I reacall you think Supertech is a nutcase.
How come you take his definition without
questioning? History is my thing and I concur
with Austin that Wae has never been a derogatory
word. Japan used to be called Wae. It is a
generic name for Japan for centuries as Korea
is a generic name for Chosun, The Republic of
Korea, The Peoples Republic of Korea, Koryo, etc.
He is also right that only when "nom" is attached
to Wae, it becomes derogatory. In the same way,
Chosun is not a derogatory term; in fact it has
a beautiful meaning, "Morning freshness." Yet,
"sun" is separated from Chosun and "jin" is added,
and used derogatively, it becomes a derogatory
word.
Sorry you wasted so much time and energy ranting
of a word, without even knowing what it means.
Either Supertech was wrong or you are quoting him
out of context.
>> > He is such a
>> > racial supremacist
>> > that he believes that Koreans conquored Europe in 600 AD.
>>
>> Misguided sense of history. Big deal. Kinda like some americans around
>here.
>>
>Misguided? How about 180 degrees in the wrong direction.
>He uses it to support his contention that Koreans are racially superior
>to
>everyone else.
Same here and I pointed it out earlier too. The fact
is Koreans never concuored Europe, period. Just
everybody knows that, and you harangue about it
whenever you have an opportunity, only based on
Supertech's alleged claim. Don't you feel kind
of foolish listening to someone you don't even
respect, someone you feel is a nutcase, and
generalize it to the entire 60 million Koreans?
Don't you think it is about time you apologize
to 59,999,999 Koreans?
Do I expect an apology or another foul-mouthed spin?
Kay
says...
>Are you sure you aren't republican?
>
>Austin
I doubt it. I bet Republicans think he is too
radical right.