Racist Fukuokajap is W rong Re: 福岡市の教師のどこが悪いの？
Kaz
filthy Tokyojap type racist Fukuokajap teacher.
http://www12.mainichi.co.jp/news/mdn/search-news/888441/fukuoka-0-4.html
Japanese:
http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20031008-00000190-kyodo-soci
http://nsearch.yahoo.co.jp/bin/search?p=%CA%A1%B2%AC%A1%A1%A4%A4%A4%B8%A4%E1
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A Tokyojap "おいらはMac" <whiteb...@mac.com despising against Kansaijin
extremely had posted this nasty message. Why are you Kaz and
Kansaijin-hating expats so inhumane, and disregarding this pitiful incident?
How do you feel if your kid were abused like this?
"おいらはMac" <whiteb...@mac.com> wrote in message news:<bmfcre$m51re$1...@ID-205905.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> 福岡市の教師はアメリカ人を曽祖父に持つ生徒を苛めたといって今話題になっている
> が、これのどこが悪いの？
>
> もし、言われていることが本当ならば、当の生徒に対しては確かに悪いことをしてし
> まったとその教師は非難されてしかるべきかも知れない。しかしながら、当方には、
> 彼は身をもって日本社会の風潮に対して強い反省を促したものとも思える。今の日本
> 社会の認識は何かアメリカ人だとか言うと理由も無く崇め奉るところが有る。随分昔
> のことになってしまったが＜イエローキャブ＞と揶揄されたことが何よりの証拠。こ
> んな風潮を正論ではないにしてもどうにか駆逐する刺激が日本社会には必要だ。
>
> 「お前の血は外人の血が混じっている」、これは事実であって少なくとも内容自体は
> 間違ってない。体罰にしてもこんな事は悪いことではない。このニュースグループに
> 登場している人で教師から体罰を受けなかった人などいるんだろうか？苛めたとか言
> われているが、アメリカ人の血が入っている者に対し、この教師は否定的価値判断を
> したというだけ。好みの自由だろう。こんなことは当のアメリカ社会では日常茶飯
> 事。まあ、この教師は＜やり方＞がヘタだったに過ぎない。
Declan Murphy
> I wonder why you expats here don't take up this nasty incident caused by a
> filthy Tokyojap type racist Fukuokajap teacher.
Well in the case of this particular exile, its partly because I have a
dental appointment.
> A Tokyojap "おいらはMac" <whiteb...@mac.com despising against Kansaijin
> extremely had posted this nasty message.
What language is this?
--
Great moments in Australian diplomacy, Kirribilli, 1975
"Look, Michael, you can argue until you're black in the face, but
wherever Ansett Airlines is involved it's always the nigger in the
woodpile."
Charlie Jones to Papua New Guinea's head of government, Sir Michael Somare
Eric Takabayashi
> Kaz wrote:
> > I wonder why you expats here don't take up this nasty incident caused by a
> > filthy Tokyojap type racist Fukuokajap teacher.
>
> Well in the case of this particular exile, its partly because I have a
> dental appointment.
When 500 lawyers sign up on the side of the boy according to one report, and
the media seem unanimous in portraying this incident in a bad light (as opposed
to their usual anti Chinese propaganda), I figure that it's about as well taken
care of as it can be under the circumstances. Debito, ISSHO or "the Equalizer"
aren't likely to be an improvement.
Dave Fossett
> When 500 lawyers sign up on the side of the boy according to one report,
and
> the media seem unanimous in portraying this incident in a bad light (as
opposed
> to their usual anti Chinese propaganda), I figure that it's about as well
taken
> care of as it can be under the circumstances. Debito, ISSHO or "the
Equalizer"
> aren't likely to be an improvement.
It is also worth pointing out that, after the initial media witch-hunt, a
lot of people, including the teacher himself, are now questioning the truth
of some of the accusations. If what has been said so far is true, then I
hope that the teacher is never allowed to teach again, but I hope the entire
incident is fairly investigated first.
--
Dave Fossett
Saitama, Japan
Bryce
"Dave Fossett" <re...@via.newsgroup> wrote in message
news:QFSib.421$l63...@news1.dion.ne.jp...
There certainly is some crap that a kid must go through in Japanese schools
if said kid is not obviously 100% Japanese on the outside. That is one
reason I've told my wife that our daughter will go to American schools and
only do the "Japan Thing" in the summers.
>
Ernest Schaal
kaz...@hotmail.com wrote on 03.10.14 8:44 PM:
> I wonder why you expats here don't take up this nasty incident caused by a
> filthy Tokyojap type racist Fukuokajap teacher
Wasn't the Fukuoka teacher born and raised in Osaka? After all, it is the
type of thing that Kaz would do, and he says he is from there.
Bryce
"Ernest Schaal" <esc...@max.hi-ho.ne.jp> wrote in message
news:BBB29219.B220%esc...@max.hi-ho.ne.jp...
Hey now! What's wrong with Osaka?
Ernest Schaal
fuk...@takethisout.hotmail.com wrote on 03.10.15 6:07 AM:
The only thing wrong with Osaka is that it has racists like Kaz.
Actually, I enjoy Osaka much more than Tokyo. But then, I haven't run into
the likes of Kaz there.
Bryce
There's types like Kaz all over Japan. Osaka is great. Tokyo is great. Kobe
is even better. Ashiya is the best! I don't even know where to put
Amagasaki. (Ama-trash?) Can't help but to find them all over the world
though. We must simply be patient.
Kaz
news:BBB29219.B220%esc...@max.hi-ho.ne.jp...
> in article 44dc0a26.03101...@posting.google.com, Kaz at
> kaz...@hotmail.com wrote on 03.10.14 8:44 PM:
>
a
>
> Wasn't the Fukuoka teacher born and raised in Osaka? After all, it is the
> type of thing that Kaz would do, and he says he is from there.
>
imperial Tokyo regime ever since the Meiji era. As well as Satsuma and
Choshu. Kumamoto has nothing to do with Osaka.
Kaz
> in article tzZib.46$sA4....@news.uswest.net, Bryce at
> fuk...@takethisout.hotmail.com wrote on 03.10.15 6:07 AM:
>
> >
> > news:BBB29219.B220%esc...@max.hi-ho.ne.jp...
> >> in article 44dc0a26.03101...@posting.google.com, Kaz at
> >> kaz...@hotmail.com wrote on 03.10.14 8:44 PM:
> >>
by
> > a
> >>
> >> Wasn't the Fukuoka teacher born and raised in Osaka? After all, it is
the
> >> type of thing that Kaz would do, and he says he is from there.
> >>
> >
>
> The only thing wrong with Osaka is that it has racists like Kaz.
Yes, I give shit to those nasty White supremacists like you, but I never
abuse any kid.
Bryce
"Kaz" <kaz...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:44dc0a26.0310...@posting.google.com...
Kaz. Osaka is a wonderful place. Don't let any of 'em tell you otherwise!
Bryce
Hey, this sounds fun. What about all those Japanese in China raping the
children and women and shoving bamboo sticks into them after they were dead?
How many hundreds of thousands was it?
Don't get me wrong. I love Japanese people. But every race has had it's
moments you know.
Dave Fossett
> Kaz. Osaka is a wonderful place. Don't let any of 'em tell you otherwise!
You are wasting your time. You already said that Kobe was a great place,
which puts you firmly in the axis of evil along with the rest of us.
Eric Takabayashi
I don't care that Japan's large cities are crowded, if I lived there, I'd find
a way to deal with the higher cost of living, and Tokyo and Osaka traffic don't
bother me, but I don't like big cities because they are too spread out. I don't
want to take a train completely across town just to go shopping or go to a
restaurant. I don't want to have to catch a taxi because trains stop running
soon after midnight. I don't want my kids growing up in Shibuya or America Mura
with twisted material values and weird friends whom I will never meet or know
anything about. Fukuyama doesn't have much, but aside from the nearest American
Consulate, everything I need is here, and nearly all of it is within walking
distance.
And if I moved across the border to Okayama, one of the cheapest prefectures
with good public services, like I am planning to do, there would even be a
prestigious public university and good quality high schools nearby.
Dick Muhfukkin Bagswing
I don't want my kids growing up in Shibuya or America Mura
> with twisted material values and weird friends whom I will never meet or
know
> anything about.
Hey Eric,
It's really none of my business but are you some kind of fucking christian
or something?
Brian
Bryce
"Eric Takabayashi" <eta...@yahoo.co.jp> wrote in message
news:3F8D222D...@yahoo.co.jp...
Big cities too spread out? Do you realize how spread out a 10-15 million
people cities are in the states or somewhere else?Japan's big cities are
great because they are so compact and dense with great transportation that
can get you anywhere quickly, unless you live in some "hill-billy" place
where you have to wait for a train that only comes once every hour or two.
Yeah, there are whackos in any city you live in... give me one that doesn't?
And what... Okayama has the only prestigious public university?
Bryce
"Dave Fossett" <re...@via.newsgroup> wrote in message
The entire Kansai area is great.... maybe minus the Amagasaki armpit area.
Eric Takabayashi
> Big cities too spread out?
Yes.
> Do you realize how spread out a 10-15 million
> people cities are in the states or somewhere else?
Irrelevant. "Big cities are too spread out." I don't care that there are cities
with more people that are MORE spread out. My brother lived maybe ten years in
LA where he always needed a car, even to go to shopping. About the best thing
was, he was ten minutes from LAX. It's not where I wanted to be.
> Japan's big cities are
> great because they are so compact and dense with great transportation that
> can get you anywhere quickly, unless you live in some "hill-billy" place
> where you have to wait for a train that only comes once every hour or two.
Frequent trains during operating hours don't offset tens of minutes spent
riding them just to go shopping or eat.
> Yeah, there are whackos in any city you live in... give me one that doesn't?
Fukuyama doesn't have entire districts crawling with tens or hundreds of
thousands of them at one time, nearly shoulder to shoulder at its worst, as I
have seen and experienced firsthand in Tokyo and Osaka. Maybe 50 gathered on
the South side of Fukuyama Station mostly doing nothing nowadays, also unlike
the delinquent and criminal action seen in larger cities, are quite enough.
Even the motorcycle gangs have all but been eliminated. About the worst things
Fukuyama delinquents do now is paint poor quality graffiti. And there is much
less to waste one's parents' money on in Fukuyama. One's cell phone bill, say
10-30,000 yen per month, is probably the largest expense for most young people.
> And what... Okayama has the only prestigious public university?
No. But it is good, and it is the nearest, if that is what either of my
children care about. I do not. They can go to newly established Onomichi City
University about 15 minutes by train from here. They can go to a Fukuyama
junior college or technical or nursing school. Or they can simply go to work
and become adults after high school.
But I'd rather not pay the average two and a half million yen per year, each,
to send my children away to school and live by themselves in new apartments, as
young people demand, just to waste their time in a Japanese university
"studying" something irrelevant to their future jobs, if they get any.
Bryce
Well, I guess to each their own. I agree with the schooling though. I'd
never let my daughter go to a private university in Japan (although that
*is* 15 years down the road). All they do is play around for 4 years.
Eric Takabayashi
> Well, I guess to each their own.
I was raised in a rural area, with small towns, on an island in the middle of
the Pacific. I didn't grow up caring about status or spending a lot of money in
an effort to be like other people or try to look good.
> I agree with the schooling though. I'd
> never let my daughter go to a private university in Japan (although that
> *is* 15 years down the road). All they do is play around for 4 years.
My 2.5 million a year average refers to public universities, once housing and
other expenses are thrown in, according to my bilingual 2003 Japan almanac put
out by one of the national newspapers, maybe the Asahi. I will not care if my
children are able to get into public university, now set at 560,000 yen per
semester, and they commute from home or live a less extravagant or carefree
lifestyle than most students I see. Earlier tonight, I browsed some local
universities' student loan web pages. Or if my children go to an American state
university like mine was, where they could, at current rates, get resident
tuition, room and board, for less than 8,000 dollars a year, TOTAL, plus pocket
money. Five and a half years school for me, with ALL related expenses, probably
cost 30,000 dollars in total.
What would piss me off is if my children become one of these ignorant kids who
want to be sent to some local universities I hear about where tuition costs six
or even 15 million yen per year, just to "study" something that interests them,
meet new friends, or get out of town or live in some big city they think is
cool. No, my children better study something related to work, will help them at
work, or will help them find work, if they ever want to go to university and
assume it will be magically be paid for, otherwise I might spend the money I
have saved up for them so far on a high performance car.
Bryce
Nothing wrong with the high performance car! 5.5 years of school for 30
grand isn't that bad at all. That must of been before I went to college as
well! But I'm still paying off my student loans and it's been a long time! I
don't even wanna say how much they were. If they are going to "study", I
don't care where they go and I actually might even pay for it. If they are
going to go to have "fun", then I would want them to go to the cheapest
place and maybe look into a little financial aid.
Eric Takabayashi
> Nothing wrong with the high performance car!
I have my wife's approval for the next car I buy to be an interesting one. I
keep looking at new yellow Mustang GT convertibles and Cobras, '92 or earlier
red Camaro SS or IROC convertibles, pre '98 red Porshe 911s, white or silver
BMW 5 series, and '91 or earlier white or black Mercedes S Class sedans.
Or I might just wimp out and buy a white Honda Odyssey or post '99 Nissan
Gloria or Cedric sedan with aero parts and chrome wheels for the whole family.
> 5.5 years of school for 30 grand isn't that bad at all.
It was at the time, one of the lowest tuitions to be found. $465 per semester,
in the beginning. About $600 per semester for the dorm. About $400 per semester
for the meal plan. About 200 per semester for textbooks. But I went there
because it was the closest. Students could pay for it with just part time or
summer jobs.
> That must of been before I went to college as well!
No, the University of Hawaii remains dirt cheap for people who pay resident
tuition. And in my home town, it is still just $550 per semester for the well
regarded nursing program.
> But I'm still paying off my student loans and it's been a long time!
The money I saved on the JET Program was more than my university years cost.
> I don't even wanna say how much they were. If they are going to "study", I
> don't care where they go and I actually might even pay for it.
You may regret it if your children grow up to be medical students. The six and
15 million yen per year schools I refer to are medical schools, for people who
did not make it into the 560,000 yen a semester public schools.
> If they are
> going to go to have "fun", then I would want them to go to the cheapest
> place and maybe look into a little financial aid.
If my children are ever stupid enough to let me find out they really want to go
to university for anything other than study or work, they can study to win
scholarships and work like my mother did, take on loans and work like my wife
did, or join the military like my dad and uncles did; to pay for it themselves,
or they can get jobs after high school and let daddy drive his lowered white
BMW 540i with Schnitzer parts, chrome wheels and kick ass stereo. I am not
going to spend maybe 20 million yen (at current prices) for them to have fun.
I'd rather buy a nicer house nearer downtown.
Bryce
> Bryce wrote:
>
> > Nothing wrong with the high performance car!
>
> I have my wife's approval for the next car I buy to be an interesting one.
I
> keep looking at new yellow Mustang GT convertibles and Cobras, '92 or
earlier
> red Camaro SS or IROC convertibles, pre '98 red Porshe 911s, white or
silver
> BMW 5 series, and '91 or earlier white or black Mercedes S Class sedans.
>
mid ninties 5 series are quite affordable now
Ryan Ginstrom
> No, my children better study something related to work, will help them at
> work, or will help them find work, if they ever want to go to university
and
> assume it will be magically be paid for
That's a rather narrow view. Universities are not meant to be vocational
schools, you know. Sure, you ought to learn some skills that will be useful
in the marketplace, but the most important thing a university has to offer
is a liberal education.
Besides, if you want to use college to get a job, choose the college, not
the major.
BTW, would you consider sending your kids to college in the states? Will
their English be up to speed, or would they have to spend a couple years in
ESL first?
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Eric Takabayashi
> "Eric Takabayashi" <eta...@yahoo.co.jp> wrote in message
> news:3F8D8524...@yahoo.co.jp...
> > No, my children better study something related to work, will help them at
> > work, or will help them find work, if they ever want to go to university
> and
> > assume it will be magically be paid for
>
> That's a rather narrow view. Universities are not meant to be vocational
> schools, you know.
Not in Japan (unless one is in a professional or technical job such as
pharmacy or medicine). But they are often so in the US. This is, for example,
the explicit reason why I could not work for hotels in Hawaii, because I had
not majored in travel industry management with the required coursework (and I
realized later, experience) of working up to 40 hours per week in a Waikiki
hotel while also studying full time. But then I am fortunate that I did not do
so.
> Sure, you ought to learn some skills that will be useful
> in the marketplace, but the most important thing a university has to offer
> is a liberal education.
Which is why other things I studied for years are more useful than engineering
and business. But I didn't dream of working for some large, famous company in
a big city, making a lot of money, while majoring in English literature
(though I studied it for two years) or Japanese (though I studied it for three
and a half years) like many Japanese who major in things completely unrelated
to the work they dream of doing (without ever having looked into the job or
company they would like to look for, if they even HAVE some field or position
in mind), and thus complaining later that they don't like the work and
quitting, or becoming freeters.
> Besides, if you want to use college to get a job, choose the college, not
> the major.
Which is why going to high school in Okayama, or attending the University of
Okayama would be good, if that is the sort of thing my children ever care
about. But I do not. I want to go to Okayama for the atmosphere and low prices
on traditional houses.
I'm not going to raise children who feel the need to go to some famous
university, simply because it is famous, or to some nameless Tokyo school,
perhaps private and expensive, simply because they think it will improve their
odds of working in Tokyo, where they think life will be cool or they can get
more money.
> BTW, would you consider sending your kids to college in the states?
Yes, because in general, I would consider it better quality, more useful, and
maybe cheaper. At this moment, there is some Japanese company that will set up
Japanese students in certain American public universities for 1.5 million yen
per year, all inclusive, as well as proving support in Japanese in the area.
That's amazing. I know someone who's doing it now.
And I'll be damned why Japanese consider it so important where they go to
university or even junior high school in Japan, but aren't anywhere near as
selective about which foreign university they go to. If the place is
considered "safe", it's like absolutely anywhere is ok.
> Will their English be up to speed,
Not unless they ever feel like speaking or studying English. I've tried
speaking English to my children since they were born, but after they realized
the difference between the languages I and everyone else they knew spoke,
probably upon entering nursery school, they lost interest in English. Them not
wanting to speak English at the two and five year old level, respectively,
because they think even standard greetings are too difficult or embarrassing,
is going to be their loss in high school and adulthood.
But if my children choose to be "only" Japanese, that is acceptable, as well.
> or would they have to spend a couple years in
> ESL first?
Probably. But if other native born and raised Japanese can do it, they should
be expected to be able to do it, as well, if speaking English or studying,
living or working abroad are what they want to do.
cc
"Eric Takabayashi" <eta...@yahoo.co.jp> wrote in message
> > Big cities too spread out?
>
> Yes.
15 km is too spread out ? In your muddy island, that's the space between 2
macdos, in Osaka city, that's the maximum possible distance between 2
places.
> Frequent trains during operating hours don't offset tens of minutes spent
> riding them just to go shopping or eat.
???? I take the elevator or the telephone to go shopping or to eat. Like
everybody else in Osaka.
CC
Eric Takabayashi
> "Eric Takabayashi" <eta...@yahoo.co.jp> wrote in message
>
> > > Big cities too spread out?
> >
> > Yes.
>
> 15 km is too spread out ?
Yes. Right now, I can walk 1.5 km to work, the city's largest shopping areas
in various directions, the bus terminal, and the shinkansen station. Within
maybe 300 meters, there are seven hospitals including one of 600 beds, and
numerous dentists, elementary schools, junior high schools, a high school
hidden somewhere, a nursing college, my children's nursery school, two
supermarkets, the main police station, and restaurants. City Hall and the
employment office are two blocks from the train station. The City and National
hospitals, as well as many others offering emergency service, are about three
kilometers away. The highway IC and the Immigration Bureau are three or four
kilometers away.
For 67,000 yen per month.
Beat that, anyone.
> In your muddy island, that's the space between 2
> macdos,
No, in the rural area where I come from in Hawaii, there are numerous
McDonald's miles apart, and McDonald's Express in between. But it was 30
minutes drive from my house to the largest town where everything was, one
reason I would not like to settle in the place I grew up in.
Here in Fukuyama, there is a McDonald's and Starbucks, Kentucky Fried Chicken,
and two Mr Donuts, as well as many bars and restaurants, right in front of the
station. 1.5 km. I can walk it in 20 minutes, or under ten by bicycle, faster
than by car.
But I don't really care to go to such as McDonald's or Starbucks, anyway.
> in Osaka city, that's the maximum possible distance between 2 places.
From where I live there are FOUR McDonald's within 1.5 km, including THREE
within maybe 200 meters, with TWO in two adjoining department stores. It is
quite illogical.
> > Frequent trains during operating hours don't offset tens of minutes spent
> > riding them just to go shopping or eat.
>
> ???? I take the elevator or the telephone to go shopping or to eat. Like
> everybody else in Osaka.
There is only one America Mura or Dotonbori. If you don't live in that part of
Osaka, you're out of luck. 30 minutes by train or bus. There is only one each
of Shibuya, Ginza, Odaiba, or Roppongi Hills. If you don't live near there,
you're out of luck. 30 minutes easy.
I can walk to get what I want faster than that, and I don't need America Mura,
Dotonbori, Shibuya, Ginza, Odaiba, or Roppongi Hills, like young or big city
people do.
cc
"Eric Takabayashi" <eta...@yahoo.co.jp> wrote in message
> Yes. Right now, I can walk 1.5 km to work, the city's largest shopping
areas
> in various directions, the bus terminal, and the shinkansen station.
Within
> maybe 300 meters, there are seven hospitals including one of 600 beds, and
> numerous dentists, elementary schools, junior high schools, a high school
> hidden somewhere, a nursing college, my children's nursery school, two
> supermarkets, the main police station, and restaurants. City Hall and the
> employment office are two blocks from the train station. The City and
National
> hospitals, as well as many others offering emergency service, are about
three
> kilometers away. The highway IC and the Immigration Bureau are three or
four
> kilometers away.
Same for me. Same for anyone in Osaka. There are shops and services
everywhere.
Commuting for work can be longer or shorter, that depends of the job and the
personal situation, exactly like in Fukuyama (you found a job next door, not
your wife. If you lose that job, you'd have to commute to Hiroshima no ?).
> For 67,000 yen per month.
>
> Beat that, anyone.
People that are not too fussy rent bunka houses for 67 000 yen or less.
That's also what you'd pay for a 3 LDK public housing (inside the flats are
nice, outside that's Hong-Kong...). I wonder if in addition, you couldn't
get housing benefits from Osaka-shi.
> > In your muddy island, that's the space between 2
> > macdos,
>
> No, in the rural area where I come from in Hawaii, there are numerous
> McDonald's miles apart,
I stayed a week on your island, I don't remember where. I
don't care about fastfoods, What I meant is that Macdo was the only
"restaurant" I could have reached by walking only 15 km.
We hitchiked to the supermarket or to the tourist ghetto. Nobody seems to
live
there without a car.
BTW, what do you want to do with a car in Fukuyama, if you live in a so
convenient place ?
In Osaka, 90% of the people don't need a car (except 3 days a month, so they
should rent one), many families buy one mostly for the status. But you don't
care about
social status and things like that. So ?
> There is only one America Mura or Dotonbori.
I never go there. I don't have the slighest interest in prostitution or
other tourist rip offs. And even if you work in that field, there are other
red-light areas in
Osaka.
>If you don't live in that part of
> Osaka, you're out of luck. 30 minutes by train or bus.
You talk like my students that ask me "When you lived in Paris, how much
time did that take you to commute to the Champs-Elysees or to Versailles ?".
You have never visited the Osaka-Kobe-Kyoto area ? Someday, you should
bring your wife and the kids to Universal Studio (another place where I
never go, but convenient for you : there are direct buses from Fukuyama) and
while they visit that, take the train to see the places where most people
actually live and work.
CC
Eric Takabayashi
> "Eric Takabayashi" <eta...@yahoo.co.jp> wrote in message
>
> > Yes. Right now, I can walk 1.5 km to work, the city's largest shopping
> areas
> > in various directions, the bus terminal, and the shinkansen station.
> Within
> > maybe 300 meters, there are seven hospitals including one of 600 beds, and
> > numerous dentists, elementary schools, junior high schools, a high school
> > hidden somewhere, a nursing college, my children's nursery school, two
> > supermarkets, the main police station, and restaurants. City Hall and the
> > employment office are two blocks from the train station. The City and
> National
> > hospitals, as well as many others offering emergency service, are about
> three
> > kilometers away. The highway IC and the Immigration Bureau are three or
> four
> > kilometers away.
>
> Same for me. Same for anyone in Osaka.
Untrue. Or there would not be the commute. What is the massive public
transportation in Osaka for, gaijin tourists?
> There are shops and services everywhere.
Not the ones the people want, obviously, otherwise they would not need such as
Kansai Walker to tell them where to go and how to get there.
> Commuting for work can be longer or shorter, that depends of the job and the
> personal situation,
I bet most Osaka people live more than 1.5 km from school or work, and do not
understand why you are in such denial about Osaka or medical incompetence.
> exactly like in Fukuyama (you found a job next door, not
> your wife.
My wife works less than 200 meters away, nearer than my children's nursery
school or the supermarkets.
> If you lose that job, you'd have to commute to Hiroshima no ?).
No. Is there only one corporation in Fukuyama?
> > For 67,000 yen per month.
> >
> > Beat that, anyone.
>
> People that are not too fussy rent bunka houses for 67 000 yen or less.
I didn't need to be fussy to get a place with 67,000 yen rent. But I did need
to find a place that was not racist.
> That's also what you'd pay for a 3 LDK public housing (inside the flats are
> nice, outside that's Hong-Kong...). I wonder if in addition, you couldn't
> get housing benefits from Osaka-shi.
I don't live in low income or public housing and don't need welfare or housing
credits or corporate subsidies.
> > > In your muddy island, that's the space between 2
> > > macdos,
> >
> > No, in the rural area where I come from in Hawaii, there are numerous
> > McDonald's miles apart,
>
> I stayed a week on your island,
That's good, because most people, particularly Japanese make it a day trip.
Perhaps you understand the value of seeing or being in such a place.
> I don't remember where. I
> don't care about fastfoods, What I meant is that Macdo was the only
> "restaurant" I could have reached by walking only 15 km.
And you are wrong again, unless you stayed in the wilderness area or some place
between the North and East Shores, which is about a 20 mile drive between major
towns.
> We hitchiked to the supermarket or to the tourist ghetto. Nobody seems to
> live there without a car.
That is correct, though there is a public bus now. People do not live in
Hawaii, and millions do not visit every year, contributing billions of dollars
to the economy, for convenience.
And if you consider where I live to be a "muddy island" and are too cheap to
rent a car or do other than walk or hitchhike, and think that "restaurants" are
so rare and far apart, you don't need to stay there a week, or go at all. Let
them make their billions of travel dollars off people who are willing to try to
understand or appreciate it. I don't need to live in Osaka or other major urban
center, either.
> BTW, what do you want to do with a car in Fukuyama, if you live in a so
> convenient place ?
The car is only used perhaps once a month. I have not driven in Japan since
last year. I can't take my computer on the bus or my bicycle.
We use the car to visit my wife's family in Hyogo without having to carry the
kids or put them on the back of the bicycle to get to the station, and without
having to put suitcases on the bus.
We can drive to the mountains. We can carry big things from the store, like my
computer.
Whatever.
You do not know what to do with a car, despite not needing one for daily life?
Perhaps you do not understand the Japanese craving for premium brands, either,
when they can buy simple and tasteful carry bags and accessories at the nearest
100 yen shop, but the French should be thankful for it.
> In Osaka, 90% of the people don't need a car (except 3 days a month, so they
> should rent one),
Me buying a car is cheaper than renting.
> many families buy one mostly for the status. But you don't
> care about
> social status and things like that. So ?
I have a car for convenience when traveling or carrying the whole family or
cargo, and because I LIKE driving.
> > There is only one America Mura or Dotonbori.
>
> I never go there.
We are not talking about you. I am talking about the crowds of city people or
young people in general as I have actually seen, who feel the need to be in
such places, which, incidentally, is not 1.5 km from where you claim all Osaka
people live.
> I don't have the slighest interest in prostitution or
> other tourist rip offs.
Neither do I. I went to America Mura to look at the weird fashion, trendy
shops, electronics shops, and sporting goods shops. I went to Dotonbori to
window shop and check out the exotic animals at the pet stores. I especially
liked the flying squirrel, but considered it too bad they kept it leashed
around its neck, resulting in it hanging itself each time it repeatedly jumped
from the wall of the cage set up near the register. I also ate Haagen Daaz ice
cream.
By prostitution, perhaps you are referring to the adult entertainment district
on the river, near the capsule hotel where I stayed while I traveled by
motorcycle. I am talking about the shops and restaurants.
> And even if you work in that field, there are other
> red-light areas in Osaka.
Perhaps people have the right to work at places which are not 1.5 km from home,
and wish to work near Dotonbori or America Mura, contrary to your claims.
> >If you don't live in that part of
> > Osaka, you're out of luck. 30 minutes by train or bus.
>
> You talk like my students
I do not care about trends and fashion like your students do, but I am talking
about what such people care about, because I know for a fact that it is not 1.5
km from where they all live, as you claim.
> that ask me "When you lived in Paris, how much
> time did that take you to commute to the Champs-Elysees or to Versailles ?".
>
> You have never visited the Osaka-Kobe-Kyoto area ?
I have. All three of those cities. And I know for a fact that everyone does not
live 1.5 km from where they really want to be for school, work, or shopping,
contrary to your incredible claims.
> Someday, you should
> bring your wife and the kids to Universal Studio (another place where I
> never go, but convenient for you :
Going to Universal Studio is not convenient, and I would not go there either. I
have been to the original. Huis Ten Bosch was questionable, though very nice on
the surface. Tokyo Disneyland was ok. I'll go again when the children are old
enough to understand, and I can also see Disney Sea. Perhaps my wife's 92 year
old grandmother in Tokyo will still be alive for us to visit, as well. Despite
being in urban Tokyo, she needs a taxi just to get to the station, btw, and her
massive apartment complex saw fit to create their own very tiny shopping
district, because there is none in the area otherwise.
> there are direct buses from Fukuyama)
I don't like long bus rides.
> and
> while they visit that, take the train to see the places where most people
> actually live and work.
I have been to large urban areas in Japan where people actually live and work,
since 1989. And by the look at the pedestrian and street traffic, they do not
live 1.5 km from everything they need, contrary to your claims, nor do they pay
67,000 a month for the privilege.
cc
"Eric Takabayashi" <eta...@yahoo.co.jp> wrote in message
> Untrue. Or there would not be the commute. What is the massive public
> transportation in Osaka for, gaijin tourists?
For people commuting to work and, yeah, for tourism.
> > There are shops and services everywhere.
>
> Not the ones the people want, obviously, otherwise they would not need
such as
> Kansai Walker to tell them where to go and how to get there.
Kansai Walker is a magazine of tourism (you can even get the Chinese
edition).
That doesn't mean people want to live next to tourist attractions and fancy
shopping areas. And even when they do, they go somewhere else on week-ends.
> > Commuting for work can be longer or shorter, that depends of the job and
the
> > personal situation,
>
> I bet most Osaka people live more than 1.5 km from school
Unless they attend private schools, all kids go to kindergarten in
mamachari, then walk to school until the age of 18.
>or work,
Already said that. I don't believe nobody works further than 1.5 km in
Fukuyama.
Here too, the bachans do baitos in their areas, the shop-owners and little
family business live where they work..Certain persons have the luck to find
a steady job in their field at walking distance. The 30% left take public
transportation. 1 million of persons live 1 km around here, that makes 300
000 commuters at least everyday.
During the last 3 years, my work place was maybe 4 km away from my living
place (5 minutes of train). In fact, I don't want to meet my students when I
go to the combini in sport clothes.
> and do not
> understand why you are in such denial about Osaka
I live here.
> That is correct, though there is a public bus now.
I know, we'd wait for the bus, and there were always cars that stopped to
give us a lift.
> And if you consider where I live to be a "muddy island"
> and are too cheap to
> rent a car or do other than walk or hitchhike, and think that
"restaurants" are
> so rare and far apart, you don't need to stay there a week, or go at all.
I don't drive. In fact, neighbours lent us a car on a day that was too rainy
to do something else, that was enough. And I don't complain about my stay.
I found that more interesting to walk in the mud. I have no problem to adapt
myself to a simpler life when I'm in a rural place. I didn't go there to see
shops, restaurants or modern transportation.
That was just to say you should be the one used to do tens of minutes to go
to a
restaurant or supermarket !
> Let
> them make their billions of travel dollars off people who are willing to
try to
> understand or appreciate it.
Tourists that don't spend the day overpaying tons of gadgets and staying in
deluxe hotels are not welcome ? That's exactly the attitude in Waikiki and
the reason why I didn't stay there more than 30 minutes.
> The car is only used perhaps once a month.
> You do not know what to do with a car, despite not needing one for daily
life?
I can take a taxi once a month. If I liked driving, I could rent a sport car
for a week-end every month. That would still be cheaper than buying one and
paying the insurances, shaken, parking, etc.
> Perhaps you do not understand the Japanese craving for premium brands,
Oh, I do. But you are the one that said he doesn't care for that sort of
things.
> We are not talking about you. I am talking about the crowds of city people
or
> young people in general as I have actually seen, who feel the need to be
in
> such places,
You've seen crowds of people that feel the need to live less than 1.5 km
from Dotombori ?
In fact, I have taught there for a while, maybe 5 years ago. Many people
that work there are glad to live elsewhere. In season, 50% of the people in
the street are not from Osaka (tourists like you, or from other places in
Kansai). Only a bunch of teenagers and attarded teenagers are standing
there all the time, and they do it during a few months before getting tired
of it. Of course, the yakuza are residents.
The other persons are people that go there once in while to meet friends, do
leisure shopping or attend events. That used to be more trendy. The same
persons also go to Umeda, to Kyobashi, to Sannomiya, etc for their
entertaiment. What makes you think they all dream of living next to
Dotombori ? TV shows ?
>which, incidentally, is not 1.5 km from where you claim all Osaka
> people live.
I claimed what ?
> > >If you don't live in that part of
> > > Osaka, you're out of luck. 30 minutes by train or bus.
> >
> > You talk like my students
>
> I do not care about trends and fashion like your students do,
You confuse touristic/entertainment places with places where people actually
want to live and work. Like the Japanese tourists in Paris do !
> I have been to large urban areas in Japan where people actually live and
work,
> since 1989. And by the look at the pedestrian and street traffic, they do
not
> live 1.5 km from everything they need, contrary to your claims, nor do
they pay
> 67,000 a month for the privilege.
Very strange they don't all want to move to Fukuyama. Oh, maybe they want,
but don't tell me !
CC
Bryce
> cc wrote:
>
> > "Eric Takabayashi" <eta...@yahoo.co.jp> wrote in message
> >
> > > Yes. Right now, I can walk 1.5 km to work, the city's largest shopping
> > areas
> > > in various directions, the bus terminal, and the shinkansen station.
> > Within
> > > maybe 300 meters, there are seven hospitals including one of 600 beds,
and>
I have to respectifully disagree with most of these opinions. Sorry.
Ryan Ginstrom
> cc wrote:
> > Same for me. Same for anyone in Osaka.
>
> Untrue. Or there would not be the commute. What is the massive public
> transportation in Osaka for, gaijin tourists?
No, everyone in Osaka has what you have in Fukuyama (and probably better)
within 300 m. It's when they want even better stuff than that that they hop
on the old subway.
Same with jobs. If an Osakan wanted to have some crappy job like you can get
in the sticks, they could probably stay within a 300 m radius. But most are
in the big city for nicer jobs, with more money or in their field, and so
they commute.
There is no way that podunksville can compete with a big city in terms of
shopping, dining, work etc. That's not where the attractions of small cities
or the country lies.
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Eric Takabayashi
> "Eric Takabayashi" <eta...@yahoo.co.jp> wrote in message
>
> > Untrue. Or there would not be the commute. What is the massive public
> > transportation in Osaka for, gaijin tourists?
>
> For people commuting to work and, yeah, for tourism.
So I guess, not just "anyone" in Osaka lives within 1.5 km of work, school,
shopping, or hospitals like I do, eh?
> > > There are shops and services everywhere.
> >
> > Not the ones the people want, obviously, otherwise they would not need
> such as
> > Kansai Walker to tell them where to go and how to get there.
>
> Kansai Walker is a magazine of tourism (you can even get the Chinese
> edition).
> That doesn't mean people want to live next to tourist attractions and fancy
> shopping areas. And even when they do, they go somewhere else on week-ends.
So I guess they don't live within walking distance like I do, eh?
> > > Commuting for work can be longer or shorter, that depends of the job and
> the
> > > personal situation,
> >
> > I bet most Osaka people live more than 1.5 km from school
>
> Unless they attend private schools, all kids go to kindergarten in
> mamachari, then walk to school until the age of 18.
Within 1.5 km? But recall my children's nursery school (not the nearest) is
within 300 m, and there is an elementary school within 200 m, and also a junior
high school about that distance in the other direction. There are also other
public elementary and junior high schools (plural) not as near, still within
1.5 km.
> >or work,
>
> Already said that. I don't believe nobody works further than 1.5 km in
> Fukuyama.
They do. There are people who work in Hiroshima, and people who drive two hours
or more from the mountains. We are talking about my convenience, not theirs.
You, for some reason, are claiming that "anyone" in Osaka has a life as
convenient as mine, or even more so, and pay or can pay comparable amounts in
rent for the same convenience.
> Here too, the bachans do baitos in their areas, the shop-owners and little
> family business live where they work.
We are not talking about them. You claim that "anyone" in Osaka lives as
conveniently as I do, which is patently untrue.
> Certain persons have the luck to find
> a steady job in their field at walking distance.
And I am one.
> The 30% left take public transportation.
Are you claiming 70% of people in Osaka live within walking distance of work?
Please define walking distance. For me, 1.5 km, or less than one mile, about 20
minutes; or about 10 minutes by bicycle, is walking distance.
> 1 million of persons live 1 km around here, that makes 300
> 000 commuters at least everyday.
Yes, there are over 5 million people living in Osaka. That does not mean 70%
work within walking distance.
> During the last 3 years, my work place was maybe 4 km away from my living
> place (5 minutes of train).
So not even your life is/was convenient as mine. I guess you are not included
in "anyone" in Osaka.
> In fact, I don't want to meet my students when I
> go to the combini in sport clothes.
I go to work in long sleeved shirts, a necktie, pressed slacks, and leather
shoes.
> > and do not
> > understand why you are in such denial about Osaka
>
> I live here.
Then why don't you understand that people there have to commute to work longer
than I do, or that big cities are spread out, instead of claiming that "anyone"
in Osaka, or at least 70% of them, can do as I do?
> > That is correct, though there is a public bus now.
>
> I know, we'd wait for the bus, and there were always cars that stopped to
> give us a lift.
Not recommended, even if people look friendly.
> > And if you consider where I live to be a "muddy island"
> > and are too cheap to
> > rent a car or do other than walk or hitchhike, and think that
> "restaurants" are
> > so rare and far apart, you don't need to stay there a week, or go at all.
>
> I don't drive. In fact, neighbours lent us a car on a day that was too rainy
> to do something else, that was enough. And I don't complain about my stay.
> I found that more interesting to walk in the mud. I have no problem to adapt
> myself to a simpler life when I'm in a rural place. I didn't go there to see
> shops, restaurants or modern transportation.
Then don't claim or point out how rural Hawaii is, when we are talking about
convenience of cities. I said inconvenience is one reason I do not live in the
area where I grew up, a 30 minute drive from work, shopping and school.
> That was just to say you should be the one used to do tens of minutes to go
> to a
> restaurant or supermarket !
I don't need to go tens of minutes to go to a restaurant or supermarket in
Fukuyama. I don't even need five, because even 200 m, or less than 300 m, will
take me to numerous places.
> > Let
> > them make their billions of travel dollars off people who are willing to
> try to
> > understand or appreciate it.
>
> Tourists that don't spend the day overpaying tons of gadgets and staying in
> deluxe hotels are not welcome ?
People that bitch about it, don't need to go. I don't come from a "muddy
island" without a restaurant other than McDonald's within 15 km. This is merely
your ignorance showing, as when you deny what is plain to see about the medical
system, or how spread out large Japanese cities are. Please note that Osaka
extends beyond 1 km of what you call "here", there are millions of other Osaka
people who need to travel to the place you call "here", and it takes longer for
them, than it takes me to do what I want.
> That's exactly the attitude in Waikiki and
> the reason why I didn't stay there more than 30 minutes.
Waikiki doesn't need people who bitch about it either. I explicitly tell
Japanese NOT to go to Waikiki, but to get out of the city and areas popular
with other Japanese. I also ask them if they have considered other than Hawaii.
Because I don't like Hawaii, or Hawaii doesn't need the money? No, because I
want people to appreciate other things that matter about Hawaii, or to realize
that a vacation is more than shopping or going to Hawaii. If all Japanese
suddenly decide to go hitchhiking around southeast Asia, that's too bad for
Hawaii, but very good for Japanese.
> > The car is only used perhaps once a month.
> > You do not know what to do with a car, despite not needing one for daily
> life?
>
> I can take a taxi once a month.
I don't take taxis to Hyogo, islands off Hiroshima city, or Tokyo.
> If I liked driving, I could rent a sport car
> for a week-end every month. That would still be cheaper than buying one and
> paying the insurances, shaken, parking, etc.
That's not what my bank account tells me for the past six years. Perhaps
parking, for example, is a little more expensive than my 4,000 yen per month in
Osaka.
> > Perhaps you do not understand the Japanese craving for premium brands,
>
> Oh, I do. But you are the one that said he doesn't care for that sort of
> things.
I don't. The most exclusive brands I own are two old pairs of Nikes, and two
pairs of Levi's.
But I know that Japanese do care about brands and trends, which is why people
in large cities need to travel longer to their popular shopping areas in their
big cities, than I do to get to Fukuyama's most popular shopping districts,
which you for some inexplicable reason, deny.
> > We are not talking about you. I am talking about the crowds of city people
> or
> > young people in general as I have actually seen, who feel the need to be
> in
> > such places,
>
> You've seen crowds of people that feel the need to live less than 1.5 km
> from Dotombori ?
No, I see crowds of people who travel longer than 1.5 km to be in such places,
which you for some reason, deny.
> In fact, I have taught there for a while, maybe 5 years ago. Many people
> that work there are glad to live elsewhere.
EXACTLY. AND GUESS WHAT? IT TAKES LONGER IN BIG CITIES, THAN MY 10 OR 20
MINUTES IN FUKUYAMA, TO GET TO WORK, SCHOOL OR SHOPPING. WHY DON'T YOU GET IT?
> In season, 50% of the people in
> the street are not from Osaka (tourists like you, or from other places in
> Kansai). Only a bunch of teenagers and attarded teenagers are standing
> there all the time, and they do it during a few months before getting tired
> of it. Of course, the yakuza are residents.
> The other persons are people that go there once in while to meet friends, do
> leisure shopping or attend events. That used to be more trendy. The same
> persons also go to Umeda, to Kyobashi, to Sannomiya, etc for their
> entertaiment. What makes you think they all dream of living next to
> Dotombori ? TV shows ?
I never claimed they dreamed of living there. I KNOW they live much farther
away, unlike you claiming ANYONE lives within 1.5 km. I said they needed
considerable time to TRAVEL there, which you repeatedly deny.
Would you care to re read what I and you have written?
I merely said large cities are too spread out.
I merely pointed out that I live much nearer to all I need, downtown, the
shinkansen station, City Hall, the city's main shopping districts, than big
city people, and it takes me much less time to get there, just over 20 minutes'
walk at most, or ten minutes by bicycle. I don't need a train or bus, unlike
big city people. For my health, I could even do without the bicycle for a mere
one mile walk.
For some reason, you get defensive about Osaka, and denied it all, claiming
"anyone" in Osaka lived as conveniently and near all they need, as I, and could
even do so as cheaply.
> >which, incidentally, is not 1.5 km from where you claim all Osaka
> > people live.
>
> I claimed what ?
Eric: "Right now, I can walk 1.5 km to work, the city's largest shopping areas
in various directions, the bus terminal, and the shinkansen station. Within
maybe 300 meters, there are seven hospitals including one of 600 beds, and high
school hidden somewhere, a nursing college, my children's nursery school, two
supermarkets, the main police station, and restaurants. City Hall and the
employment office are two blocks from the train station. The City and National
hospitals, as well as many others offering emergency service, are about
three kilometers away. The highway IC and the Immigration Bureau are three or
four kilometers away."
You: "Same for me. Same for anyone in Osaka."
This cannot possibly be true. For example, please see where Osaka's Shinkansen
stations are on a map, and tell me "anyone" in Osaka can walk it within 1.5 km
from their homes. Also note where Osaka's various main shopping districts are,
such as Dotonbori or America Mura, and note the large population not living
within 1.5 km, as I do in Fukuyama.
> > > >If you don't live in that part of
> > > > Osaka, you're out of luck. 30 minutes by train or bus.
> > >
> > > You talk like my students
> >
> > I do not care about trends and fashion like your students do,
>
> You confuse touristic/entertainment places with places where people actually
> want to live and work.
Not "want" to work. Where people actually do work in large cities, which is not
a 20 minute walk from their homes.
I did not claim that people wanted to LIVE near America Mura or Dotonbori. I
claimed that my life was more convenient than if living in a large city,
because large cities are too spread out, but I can live nearby cheaply. And
where I live is not crowded, busy or trendy, either. It is a residential area.
> Like the Japanese tourists in Paris do !
Yes, I know the attitude many Japanese have, which is precisely why I am
telling you despite all your denial, that I am able to live much more
conveniently because everything is so near by in Fukuyama, and likely cheaper.
> > I have been to large urban areas in Japan where people actually live and
> work,
> > since 1989. And by the look at the pedestrian and street traffic, they do
> not
> > live 1.5 km from everything they need, contrary to your claims, nor do
> they pay
> > 67,000 a month for the privilege.
>
> Very strange they don't all want to move to Fukuyama.
Japanese do not want to move to Fukuyama, they want to live, work, shop and/or
go to school, in large urban areas, and must spend more time than I do to
commute, and more money than I do, to live.
But you are unable to understand this, when all it should take is a simple look
at a map or real estate magazine.
> Oh, maybe they want, but don't tell me !
I am not telling anyone to come to Fukuyama. I don't want many people to come
to Fukuyama, lest it become like one of the large spread out cities. The
neighboring city of Kurashiki has already suffered this fate, because people
would like, perhaps, to work at one of the automobile plants on the coast.
Despite having a mere 150,000 people, it is approximately 16 kilometers between
train stations inside Kurashiki, with almost exclusively low rise buildings
even in the center of town, meaning people have no choice but to rely on public
transportation, or drive to get around.
I am merely saying my life is more convenient (and cheaper) than in a large,
spread out city, which for some reason, you are unable to understand or
believe, despite, as you say, living and working in Osaka for years yourself
and having the truth in front of your face.
Eric Takabayashi
> "Eric Takabayashi" <eta...@yahoo.co.jp> wrote in message
> news:3F8FF9E0...@yahoo.co.jp...
> > cc wrote:
> >
> > > "Eric Takabayashi" <eta...@yahoo.co.jp> wrote in message
> > >
> > > > Yes. Right now, I can walk 1.5 km to work, the city's largest shopping
> > > areas
> > > > in various directions, the bus terminal, and the shinkansen station.
> > > Within
> > > > maybe 300 meters, there are seven hospitals including one of 600 beds,
> and>
>
> I have to respectifully disagree with most of these opinions. Sorry.
I am not going to point out precisely where I live, but this is it. Please
consult this map, and ask me to point out or identify anything you cannot find,
other than where my children go to school.
Eric Takabayashi
My mistake. The nursing college is, according to the map, just under 1.5 km from
where I live, across the street from one of Fukuyama's main shopping areas, which
I also walk to, which on the opposite corner from Fukuyama's main police station.
It does not matter to me, because I do not go there, but perhaps my children would
like to study nursing in a convenient place. The nursing college is adjacent to
the local medical association building, and the night children's hospital, btw,
and is next door to yet another public junior high school.
Eric Takabayashi
> "Eric Takabayashi" <eta...@yahoo.co.jp> wrote in message
> news:3F8FF9E0...@yahoo.co.jp...
> > cc wrote:
> > > Same for me. Same for anyone in Osaka.
> >
> > Untrue. Or there would not be the commute. What is the massive public
> > transportation in Osaka for, gaijin tourists?
>
> No, everyone in Osaka has what you have in Fukuyama (and probably better)
> within 300 m.
The Shinkansen, main police station, main hospitals, bus terminal, a variety of
schools, nursery schools, a highway on ramp, Immigration and other city offices
including City Hall, and shopping centers?
Everyone? Osaka must be a pretty small and crowded place to have it all within
a 300 m radius.
> It's when they want even better stuff than that that they hop
> on the old subway.
Precisely.
> Same with jobs. If an Osakan wanted to have some crappy job like you can get
> in the sticks, they could probably stay within a 300 m radius.
There are so many factories within 300 m in Osaka?
> But most are
> in the big city for nicer jobs, with more money or in their field, and so
> they commute.
Precisely.
> There is no way that podunksville can compete with a big city in terms of
> shopping, dining, work etc.
For people who demand such things in the mistaken belief that they need it.
Tokyo people lived just fine before Roppongi Hills, Odaiba, Shibuya, Harajuku,
Akihabara or Ginza ever appeared. Actually, Japanese continue to live just fine
completely outside of such urban centers.
> That's not where the attractions of small cities
> or the country lies.
And most Japanese seem to have forgotten that too, in the belief (as you seem
to hold, despite where you live) that what big cities have to offer is
"better".
Eric Takabayashi
Before you respond to any more posts, Ryan, allow me to clear up an apparent
misunderstanding.
I am NOT claiming that what Fukuyama has to offer is BETTER than that in large
cities, or that my life is BETTER than that of people in large cities in terms
of salary or achievement.
I am pointing out that I need much less time and pay less rent in Fukuyama, to
get what I need and want, even if I were to go downtown to the main shopping
and business district, as almost all of it is conveniently located from where
*I* live. The vast majority of Fukuyama people are not as fortunate as I in
those regards, either.
Eric Takabayashi
> Eric Takabayashi wrote:
>
> > Bryce wrote:
> >
> > > "Eric Takabayashi" <eta...@yahoo.co.jp> wrote in message
> > > news:3F8FF9E0...@yahoo.co.jp...
> > > > cc wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "Eric Takabayashi" <eta...@yahoo.co.jp> wrote in message
> > > > >
> > > > > > Yes. Right now, I can walk 1.5 km to work, the city's largest shopping
> > > > > areas
> > > > > > in various directions, the bus terminal, and the shinkansen station.
> > > > > Within
> > > > > > maybe 300 meters, there are seven hospitals including one of 600 beds,
> > > and>
> > >
> > > I have to respectifully disagree with most of these opinions. Sorry.
> >
> > I am not going to point out precisely where I live, but this is it. Please
> > consult this map, and ask me to point out or identify anything you cannot find,
> > other than where my children go to school.
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/rd2r
>
> My mistake. The nursing college is, according to the map, just under 1.5 km from
> where I live, across the street from one of Fukuyama's main shopping areas, which
> I also walk to, which on the opposite corner from Fukuyama's main police station.
My mistake again. These are under 1 km away.
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"Eric Takabayashi" <eta...@yahoo.co.jp> wrote in message
> Everyone? Osaka must be a pretty small and crowded place to have it all
within
> a 300 m radius.
Ah, you start realizing that !
> There are so many factories within 300 m in Osaka?
And that too, that's new for you ?
I would never consider moving out of Osaka for the lack of conveniency (it
is one of the most convenient place on earth), but I don't appreciate so
much living 100 m away from Nippon Ham and Duskin factories and the
Shinkansen line, or having 1 million neighbours on a surface my grand-mother
considered enough for 12 cows.
For that I hope, that's better in your little place where you need Amazone
to buy English books I read for free during my lunch break. You can't have
your cake and eat it. People make a choice.
Well I know Japanese small towns that cumulate pollution, over-crowding,
traffic jam, and little-townish mentality, that's sad.
I don't defend everything in Osaka, but you didn't target the real problems.
So, now, I'm going to take the train at least 5 minutes to go to eat in a
French restaurant with people that have mistaken values. Really, they do,
I'd prefer a pique-nique on the Pompom mountain. The weather is so nice !
But that's not convenient to walk 1 hour in the woods, so...
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Eric Takabayashi
> "Eric Takabayashi" <eta...@yahoo.co.jp> wrote in message
>
> > Everyone? Osaka must be a pretty small and crowded place to have it all
> within
> > a 300 m radius.
>
> Ah, you start realizing that !
Osaka is only 600 m in diameter, with all the people in it, or has Shinkansen
stations, the main shopping and business districts, and highway on ramps every
300 meters?
Damn. That is not what Mapion.co.jp tells me. Osaka looks over 50 kilometers
across, which is why even just Osaka people living in the urban area, or even
downtown, commute to get where they want to be, probably outside walking
distance, unlike myself.
> > There are so many factories within 300 m in Osaka?
>
> And that too, that's new for you ?
You have the largest NKK foundry in the country (a city in itself with even
individual buildings visible on printed maps) in downtown Osaka, as well as
some of Japan's major clothing manufacturers with headquarters in Fukuyama,
within 300 m of everywhere in 50 km wide Osaka?
> I would never consider moving out of Osaka for the lack of conveniency (it
> is one of the most convenient place on earth),
I'm sure it is. I need to go to Osaka for the Consulate.
But if it were all within walking distance, as opposed to being about 50 km
wide, with hundreds of thousands more people pouring in each day for work,
school, and shopping, you wouldn't need the trains.
> but I don't appreciate so
> much living 100 m away from Nippon Ham and Duskin factories and the
> Shinkansen line, or having 1 million neighbours on a surface my grand-mother
> considered enough for 12 cows.
>
> For that I hope, that's better in your little place where you need Amazone
> to buy English books I read for free during my lunch break.
I can read English books, when I feel like reading English, in the bookstores
for free during my lunch break and nearly any other time. I want to BUY my own
books cheaper than the two or three times the cover price of Japanese
distributors.
> You can't have your cake and eat it.
With the exception of buying an actual house with grass downtown (though I
could afford a new condo near the castle behind the station), I can. And as I
pointed out, Fukuyama does not have a national university, which is why I would
move consider going to Okayama in the next prefecture.
> People make a choice.
Yes, they do. For example, they do not need to work at some place within
walking distance of where they live, as you claim "anyone" in Osaka does, or
when you point out there are numerous red light districts other than near
Dotonbori if people want to work in that field.
And guess what? Millions of people choose to live farther, take more time, and
probably pay more than I do, to get what they want.
> Well I know Japanese small towns that cumulate pollution, over-crowding,
> traffic jam, and little-townish mentality, that's sad.
>
> I don't defend everything in Osaka, but you didn't target the real problems.
We are NOT talking about the "real problems" of Japanese cities or Japanese
people.
It is me simply saying I do not like large cities because they are too spread
out, such as Osaka's being over 50 km wide, and my ability to get what I want
and need mostly within walking distance, 20 minutes; and you for some reason,
blindly springing to Osaka's defense, claiming all was well for anyone and
everyone; as blindly as when you defended Japanese medical professionals who
kill people; and you also insulting my hometown, and where I currently live.
> So, now, I'm going to take the train at least 5 minutes to go to eat in a
> French restaurant with people that have mistaken values.
Guess what? It takes other customers considerably longer than that to get
there, or other places they would like to go. We are not talking about you, we
are talking about the millions of other people in Osaka and other large cities,
not as fortunate as you or I.
I can ride my bicycle under five minutes to go to popular restaurants I like,
such as Chinese or Indian, which are not fast food or chain restaurants. There
is also French and Italian along that way, but I do not go there.
> Really, they do,
> I'd prefer a pique-nique on the Pompom mountain. The weather is so nice !
> But that's not convenient to walk 1 hour in the woods, so...
I can walk to the nearest "mountain" from which I can see the entire urban area
of the city, in about 30 minutes, or to a hillside lined in cherry blossom
trees when in season, in about ten.
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"Eric Takabayashi" <eta...@yahoo.co.jp> wrote in message
> Damn. That is not what Mapion.co.jp tells me. Osaka looks over 50
kilometers
> across,
Certainly not. You are confusing the prefecture and the city, and you know
it. And you are going to the mountains are an "urban area", etc
> I can ride my bicycle under five minutes to go to popular restaurants I
like,
That's great that you don't want to have friends or relatives living further
than 1.5 km,
that you don't want to go out see other places and meet anybody else than
neighbours, so you have no reason to go to a restaurant or anywhere that is
not at a walking distance.
So yeah, you get what you want where you are. There is no way you wouldn't
in fact. Good for you.
BTW, I don't see in what I insulted your island. I have nothing against
people that live in places where facilities and shops are spread out, and
where the nature has not been completely covered by concrete.
And you're the one talking about Fukuyama as if that was a 7-11.
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Eric Takabayashi
> "Eric Takabayashi" <eta...@yahoo.co.jp> wrote in message
>
> > Damn. That is not what Mapion.co.jp tells me. Osaka looks over 50
> kilometers
> > across,
>
> Certainly not. You are confusing the prefecture and the city, and you know
> it.
Really? So urban Osaka is, in fact, 600 m wide, or walking distance for
"anyone" as you are repeatedly claiming?
> And you are going to the mountains are an "urban area", etc
So how wide is urban Osaka, really? And why don't you admit that most Osaka
people, even those downtown, are NOT walking distance from where they want to
be for work, school, shopping?
> > I can ride my bicycle under five minutes to go to popular restaurants I
> like,
>
> That's great that you don't want to have friends or relatives living further
> than 1.5 km,
They do. It's what the car and local international airport are for.
> that you don't want to go out see other places and meet anybody else than
> neighbours,
I do. And I also go to work.
> so you have no reason to go to a restaurant or anywhere that is
> not at a walking distance.
We do.
> So yeah, you get what you want where you are. There is no way you wouldn't
> in fact. Good for you.
>
> BTW, I don't see in what I insulted your island.
What if I called your country a "muddy country" with one McDonald's the closest
thing to a restaurant within a 15 km hike of anywhere, or a tourist ghetto?
> I have nothing against people that live in places where facilities and shops
> are spread out,
And that is not I in Fukuyama. But it is so for millions of Osaka people, and
other people in big cities, though you simply refuse to accept it.
By the way, the people in that restaurant you had lunch in. All staff and
customers from within walking distance, or 300 m? Aren't they "anyone"? Were
even 70% from that neighborhood?
Or *gasp* did they take more than five minutes, or even more than 20 on foot,
to get there?
> and where the nature has not been completely covered by concrete.
> And you're the one talking about Fukuyama as if that was a 7-11.
It is not. Why haven't you paid attention to all my other posts criticizing
Fukuyama over the years which you've responded to?
From the very beginning of this thread, I am saying that it is so conveniently
located for ME.
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"Eric Takabayashi" <eta...@yahoo.co.jp> wrote in message
> What if I called your country a "muddy country" with one McDonald's the
closest
> thing to a restaurant within a 15 km hike of anywhere, or a tourist
ghetto?
Exageration. That'd take you in average 40 km to walk to find a place that
sells something (no warranty that's edible). On Sundays or National
Holidays, you need a car as only the highway service shops (one every 100
km) are open. There are no tourists, guidebooks and tour-operators are
honest, they forget us. And be careful, when the rain stops that means it's
freezing, don't stand too long at the same place or the mud will harden
around your boots.
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