Bitch clothing in Tokyo?
Aaron Antonowich
showed some line of clothing named "bitch", just like Polo or Gap. Now, I've
only been in Japan about 2 months, so I didn't understand very much (but I'm
learning!) of what they were saying. (Although they seemed to be saying it
rather loudly) Anyway, I was wondering if anyone could give me some clues
as to where I could buy some of these clothes. Pretty much anywhere around
Tokyo would be okay, I think I've finally gotten the hang of the trains and
subways...
Keith Finch
It was a line of ski/sport wear, so you could conceivably check stores
that sell that sort of thing. However, a friend told me that it is no
longer manufactured, because of its offensive (and/or ridiculous)
nature.
Tony Padgett
If I remember correctly, the clothing also had a stick person holding a
guns to his/her head. I thought it was totally stupid.
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> > > I was watching the gaijin program on TBS (channel 6) last night, and they
> > > showed some line of clothing named "bitch", just like Polo or Gap.
> >
> > It was a line of ski/sport wear, so you could conceivably check stores
> > that sell that sort of thing. However, a friend told me that it is no
> > longer manufactured, because of its offensive (and/or ridiculous)
> > nature.
>
> If I remember correctly, the clothing also had a stick person holding a
> guns to his/her head. I thought it was totally stupid.
The 'bitch' logo was a stick man holding a
gun to the head of a stick woman. Do you
really want to wear that?
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gary
Aaron Antonowich wrote:
>
> I was watching the gaijin program on TBS (channel 6) last night, and they
> showed some line of clothing named "bitch", just like Polo or Gap. Now, I've
> only been in Japan about 2 months, so I didn't understand very much (but I'm
> learning!) of what they were saying. (Although they seemed to be saying it
> rather loudly) Anyway, I was wondering if anyone could give me some clues
> as to where I could buy some of these clothes. Pretty much anywhere around
> Tokyo would be okay, I think I've finally gotten the hang of the trains and
> subways...
Keith:
> It was a line of ski/sport wear, so you could conceivably check stores
> that sell that sort of thing. However, a friend told me that it is no
> longer manufactured, because of its offensive (and/or ridiculous)
> nature.
Tony:
> If I remember correctly, the clothing also had a stick person holding a
> guns to his/her head. I thought it was totally stupid.
>
skeptikus:
> The 'bitch' logo was a stick man holding a
> gun to the head of a stick woman. Do you
> really want to wear that?
>
gary:
One of our employees has a jacket by that maker; it says "Skateboards"
under the "Bitch" label on the back. She is a very sweet, very demure,
25 year old mother of two. I talked to her about the logo when I first
saw her wearing it, explaining the meaning of the word "bitch", and she
just giggled and said "omoshiroi ne" ("that's funny"). Doesn't seem to
bother her. Since then I have seen students, boys and girls both,
wearing clothes and carrying bags by that brand. And again, they are
just normal, small town teenagers -- not juvenile delinquents by any
means. Personally, I like the stuff -- I refer back to my post in a
recent thread about Surrealism and shooting a gun into a crowd. "New for
Andre' Breton's Spring Collection."
SM pornography at the corner bookstore, R-rated violence in children's
animations and manga, caricatures of racial and national stereotypes in
TV ad campaigns -- evil is there if you look hard enough. But where is
its source: the thing in itself, or the mind of the viewer? The
Japanese don't even bother looking. Could this be their secret?
--gary
--gary
mfd...@my-dejanews.com
> Aaron Antonowich wrote:
> >
> > I was watching the gaijin program on TBS (channel 6) last night, and they
> > showed some line of clothing named "bitch", just like Polo or Gap. Now,
I've
> > only been in Japan about 2 months, so I didn't understand very much (but I'm
> > learning!) of what they were saying. (Although they seemed to be saying it
> > rather loudly)
<snip> One of the African guys was saying that Japanese will buy anything as
long as it's written in Romaji or looks American. He then attacked Japanese
in general for being slaves to the fashion flavor of the month. Gary's
coworker kindof proves this point. I thought it was amusing and ironic that
the show's host (I forget his name, but he's on about 12 other shows) chose
that day to wear a traditional African costume instead of one of his usually
more rediculous ones. If a Japanese company put a label on it, like "Real
Happy Africa", I'm sure you'd soon enough see 16-year-old girls wearing it
around Shibuya with animal-print boots!
I don't disapprove of the Japanese for doing this, but I agree with the
African guy in that it's highly superficial. As far as I can tell with my
limited experience, the old zen-based culture of Japan is totally gone and
has been replaced with American-esqe pop culture.
> gary:
> One of our employees has a jacket by that maker; it says "Skateboards"
> under the "Bitch" label on the back. She is a very sweet, very demure,
> 25 year old mother of two. I talked to her about the logo when I first
> saw her wearing it, explaining the meaning of the word "bitch", and she
> just giggled and said "omoshiroi ne" ("that's funny"). Doesn't seem to
> bother her. Since then I have seen students, boys and girls both,
> wearing clothes and carrying bags by that brand. And again, they are
> just normal, small town teenagers -- not juvenile delinquents by any
> means.
Mike Daniel
Ebisu, Tokyo
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gary
mfd...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > Aaron Antonowich wrote:
> > >
> > > I was watching the gaijin program on TBS (channel 6) last night, and they
> > > showed some line of clothing named "bitch", just like Polo or Gap. Now,
> I've
> > > only been in Japan about 2 months, so I didn't understand very much (but I'm
> > > learning!) of what they were saying. (Although they seemed to be saying it
> > > rather loudly)
>
> <snip> One of the African guys was saying that Japanese will buy anything as
> long as it's written in Romaji or looks American. He then attacked Japanese
> in general for being slaves to the fashion flavor of the month. Gary's
> coworker kindof proves this point.
I'm not so sure about your slaves to fashion statement. The woman I
mentioned
in my example didn't even seem to know about the brand, she just saw it,
liked it, and bought it. Most all clothing brands, Japan and foreign,
are labeled in English, so I don't think that is much of a selling
point. She's not going against her own sense of respectability by
wearing "Bitch" clothing just to stay in fashion. She didn't think it
offensive, even after I explained the logo to her. And she didn't even
know the brand was enjoying popularity now.
>
> I don't disapprove of the Japanese for doing this, but I agree with the
> African guy in that it's highly superficial. As far as I can tell with my
> limited experience, the old zen-based culture of Japan is totally gone and
> has been replaced with American-esqe pop culture.
If you want to get philosophical about it, I think it takes quite an
enlightened mind to wear (and see someone wear) something with a picture
of a guy aiming a gun at a woman's head with the word "bitch" underneath
and not care. Or rather, "and not thinking about caring or not caring".
Try that in America and see how far down the sidewalk you get without
being accosted by someone else's misguided judgment.
Marc Lamphier
> If you want to get philosophical about it, I think it takes quite an
> enlightened mind to wear (and see someone wear) something with a picture
> of a guy aiming a gun at a woman's head with the word "bitch" underneath
> and not care. Or rather, "and not thinking about caring or not caring".
> Try that in America and see how far down the sidewalk you get without
> being accosted by someone else's misguided judgment.
Yeah right.... Well we have our own form of enlightenment here in the
U.S., which is taking a real gun, aiming it at someone's head and not
caring. Maybe this is a form of conceptual art?
This moral relativism line you keep coming up with which essentially
says that no one should be bound by anyone else's judgement is just
irresponsible. Of course we should care if "shooting bitches" becomes a
pop fashion statement. What kind of society do you want to live in?
Is your friend really "enlightened" or just a little out of touch?
I remain,
Question-and-Answerman
gary
I've been waiting for someone to call me on it. Why'd it have to be
you, Answerman? This is no fun. Like kissing your brother.
Of course I wouldn't want to live in a society that actually shoots
bitches. But I do want to live in a society that talks about it and
toys with it. I don't call that irresponsible -- I call that noble.
Ideas don't kill people, people kill people. Wear your ideas on your
sleeve, I say.
That young Japanese mother with the "Bitch" jacket sure is enlightened,
probably more than I'll ever be. She bought it without even considering
these weighty issues: "omoshiroi ne". She is in the non-mentating
state. She is the Buddha.
--gary
Aamer Aziz
clothing are popular all over the world, but there are local touches to
that. Every place on earth has its own flavor to the pop culture .. but not
in Japan. This is the only place on earth where the fashions do not indicate
a local flavour.
Prince Richard Kaminski
Oh but ideas *do* kill people. How many have been slaughtered in the
name of Communism, anti-Communism, Nazism, nationalism, and organised
religion in this century alone? The little idea that spurts forth from
an immature brain can indeed lead to the pile of corpses.
gary
Do you know the young girl's street fashion magazine "Fruits"? Look at
it the next time you are in a bookstore. It's been about four years
since I was last in the US, but I don't recall seeing much of that sort
of bizarre babydoll fashion there. How about in other countries?
--gary
gary
Prince Richard Kaminski wrote:
>
> gary wrote:
> >
> >
> > Of course I wouldn't want to live in a society that actually shoots
> > bitches. But I do want to live in a society that talks about it and
> > toys with it. I don't call that irresponsible -- I call that noble.
> > Ideas don't kill people, people kill people. Wear your ideas on your
> > sleeve, I say.
>
> Oh but ideas *do* kill people. How many have been slaughtered in the
> name of Communism, anti-Communism, Nazism, nationalism, and organised
> religion in this century alone? The little idea that spurts forth from
> an immature brain can indeed lead to the pile of corpses.
Let's lock them ideas up and throw away the key. "Mein Kampf" resting on
a cell bunk...how appropriate, how poetic.
--gary
...there is only one that they will not admit, namely, that they
themselves are the main cause of all evil.
--A.Hilter
stranger in a strange land
On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, gary wrote:
>
>
> Marc Lamphier wrote:
> > This moral relativism line you keep coming up with which essentially
> > says that no one should be bound by anyone else's judgement is just
> > irresponsible. Of course we should care if "shooting bitches" becomes a
> > pop fashion statement. What kind of society do you want to live in?
> >
> > Is your friend really "enlightened" or just a little out of touch?
> >
> > I remain,
> > Question-and-Answerman
>
> I've been waiting for someone to call me on it. Why'd it have to be
> you, Answerman? This is no fun. Like kissing your brother.
>
> Of course I wouldn't want to live in a society that actually shoots
> bitches. But I do want to live in a society that talks about it and
> toys with it. I don't call that irresponsible -- I call that noble.
> Ideas don't kill people, people kill people. Wear your ideas on your
> sleeve, I say.
Do ideas exist without people. Where is the line of demarcation between
an idea and the people who hold it. And responsibility for ideas by
nations, individuals, and whatever other groups.
"The devil made me do it."
"Oh, I never realized what was happening."
"Omoishiroi ne."
"All my friends do it, ma and pa why can't I?" Note: I have found that
this one is often being said by all the friends to their respective mas
and pas at the same time.
In the case where someone is wearing clothing without any idea of the
meaning of the writing on it, that happens in the US. People with
clothing with chinese characters that are not quite written right happens
more often than the character saying something unexpected to the wearer.
But as I implied above, none of this exists out of context. Bitch
clothes, etc. have their root in some pivot points in the societies
involved. It is not just random occurance that developed the design.
There is a urban rap style in the US that on one level or another
generated it. And is the Japanese okusan in a society so free of
spouse/mate abuse that the whole meaning is inconceivable.
And what about people who wear symbols they don't know or understand. Are
they really just wearing it cause they like the way the red and the green
go with the black. Consider that they find their own meaning there.
>
> That young Japanese mother with the "Bitch" jacket sure is enlightened,
> probably more than I'll ever be. She bought it without even considering
> these weighty issues: "omoshiroi ne". She is in the non-mentating
> state. She is the Buddha.
You say that a picture of a gun pointing at someone's head can be worn
without consideration. Like it is some obscure image.
I once met a young black woman, 16 years old or so. She was tall and
voluptuous. Most males spent at least sometime staring at her large but
very firm breasts. She had a t-shirt I saw her wear a couple of times, a
big illustration on the front of the t-shirt of the naked chest of a woman
endowed much like she was. When she was asked by her work supervisor what
was the shirt supposed to mean, she just shrugged and said, "nothing,
why?" Do you really think that girl had no idea how that shirt
intersected with her life. Do you really think that okusan tells you what
she is thinking?
Prince Richard Kaminski
>
> Prince Richard Kaminski wrote:
> >
> > gary wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > bitches. But I do want to live in a society that talks about it and
> > > toys with it. I don't call that irresponsible -- I call that noble.
> > > Ideas don't kill people, people kill people. Wear your ideas on your
> > > sleeve, I say.
> >
> > name of Communism, anti-Communism, Nazism, nationalism, and organised
> > religion in this century alone? The little idea that spurts forth from
> > an immature brain can indeed lead to the pile of corpses.
>
> Let's lock them ideas up and throw away the key. "Mein Kampf" resting on
> a cell bunk...how appropriate, how poetic.
Nevertheless, if the ideas had not "inspired" the perpetrators of these
atrocities, the atrocities wouldn't have occurred.
Aaron Antonowich
actually spotted this particular brand of clothing in the Tokyo area
recently? I was thinking deep thoughts when I first noticed it, just
thought it would make a good gag gift for some of my friends back home.
I suppose I should be happy with starting my first thread in fj.l.i-j; I
though Japanese fashion trends might come up, but never guessed Nazis and
Surrealism would enter into the discussion. I'm dissappointed mysogeny
hasn't been mentioned. I even got PRK to post! Multiple times! If I can
get myaw to post, I'll be a certified member of this ng. (or is that
certifiable?)
gary
Germans didn't kill the Jews, words killed the Jews. Makes this whole
issue of punishments for war crimes very simple: burn the libraries.
Oops, but the text of "Mein Kampf" is now on the net. Fire up them gas
chambers, here we go again.
--gary
Prince Richard Kaminski
>
> Prince Richard Kaminski wrote:
> >
> > gary wrote:
> > >
> > > Prince Richard Kaminski wrote:
> > > >
> > > > gary wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course I wouldn't want to live in a society that actually shoots
> > > > > bitches. But I do want to live in a society that talks about it and
> > > > > toys with it. I don't call that irresponsible -- I call that noble.
> > > > > Ideas don't kill people, people kill people. Wear your ideas on your
> > > > > sleeve, I say.
> > > >
> > > > Oh but ideas *do* kill people. How many have been slaughtered in the
> > > > name of Communism, anti-Communism, Nazism, nationalism, and organised
> > > > religion in this century alone? The little idea that spurts forth from
> > > > an immature brain can indeed lead to the pile of corpses.
> > >
> > > Let's lock them ideas up and throw away the key. "Mein Kampf" resting on
> > > a cell bunk...how appropriate, how poetic.
> >
> > Nevertheless, if the ideas had not "inspired" the perpetrators of these
> > atrocities, the atrocities wouldn't have occurred.
>
> Germans didn't kill the Jews, words killed the Jews.
If I come round to Gary's house with an armed gang, and urge my
followers to "Kill the Asiaphile!, Kill, Kill, Kill!!!", I will be in no
way responsible for his subsequent slaughter, because words do not kill,
people do.
gary
If they carry out their orders correctly, it'll be you and me both
swinging from the trees. Strange fruit indeed.
But my goodness, Richard, all this talk from you about censoring ideas
in the name of protecting society...why, you're starting to sound like
you want a place under the covers with those capricious moderators at
SCJM. Strange fruit indeed.
--gary
mlam...@yahoo.com
36A2E4D2...@pop21.odn.ne.jp>,
> > This moral relativism line you keep coming up with which essentially
> > says that no one should be bound by anyone else's judgement is just
> > irresponsible. Of course we should care if "shooting bitches" becomes a
> > pop fashion statement. What kind of society do you want to live in?
> >
> > Is your friend really "enlightened" or just a little out of touch?
> >
> > I remain,
> > Question-and-Answerman
>
> I've been waiting for someone to call me on it. Why'd it have to be
> you, Answerman? This is no fun. Like kissing your brother.
I realize that many people around the world
have become psychologically dependent on
my guidance. It is my duty to prevent
synchophancy and the evolution of any kind
of "Anwerman" cult by questioning most
severely those who believe. It's my attempt
to get you to find the Answerman that lies
within.
> Of course I wouldn't want to live in a society that actually shoots
> bitches. But I do want to live in a society that talks about it and
> toys with it. I don't call that irresponsible -- I call that noble.
> Ideas don't kill people, people kill people. Wear your ideas on your
> sleeve, I say.
I agree it is good to live in a society that
talks about any idea. I disagree that it is
good to live in a society that tolerates
abuse - even the idea of abuse. You want to
suggest that aesthetics is the ultimate
standard by which to judge something.
Anything is OK as long as you call it Art (or
somebody-- somewhere --calls it Art). So
are you in favor of child pornography? How
about snuff videos? Maybe a manual
complete with drawings that explain how to
torture animals? Aren't these examples of
wearing your ideas on your sleeve?
And what about other people's sensibilities?
Are they unimportant because individual
expression takes precendence? If I want to
take a dump out on my lawn in front of the
neighbors because I consider it creative and
"omoshiroi", should I? And can I get
Southby's to auction it off?
> That young Japanese mother with the "Bitch" jacket sure is enlightened,
> probably more than I'll ever be. She bought it without even considering
> these weighty issues: "omoshiroi ne". She is in the non-mentating
> state. She is the Buddha.
Yeah... I know. Enlightenment in Zen Buddhism
is supposed to mean freeing yourself from
critical thought. There's the classic parable
of the five monks drowning in a well, and
they manage to rescue themselves, but then
one of the monks starts wailing in despair
because he only counts four monks standing.
The other monks realize he is truly
enlightened -- he forgot to count himself!
That's why these guys stay in a monastery.
Let them out into society and you'll find
yourself driving down the highway one day
and the monk at the wheel will turn around
and say "hey....who's driving?"
Your non-mentating friend may be
enlightened as you say, on the other hand
maybe she's just clueless. Having spent 10
years in Japan and gotten to know a few
demure feamles I'd say the odds-on favorite
is the latter. All along I thought
the typical Hanako-san buying Gucci bags
and doing the big hair thing were all
airheads - now I realize they are actually
non-mentating. I guess that also explains
JPOP, manga, "tarento" and wide shows.
I realize now I've misunderstood Japanese
culture all these years.
-Marc
mlam...@yahoo.com
demure females I'd say the odds-on favorite
Mike Fester
: gary wrote:
: >
: > Prince Richard Kaminski wrote:
: > > gary wrote:
: > > >
: > > > Prince Richard Kaminski wrote:
: If I come round to Gary's house with an armed gang, and urge my
: followers
They'd bleat in bewilderment.
Mike
Mike Fester
: > Of course I wouldn't want to live in a society that actually shoots
: > bitches. But I do want to live in a society that talks about it and
: > toys with it. I don't call that irresponsible -- I call that noble.
: > Ideas don't kill people, people kill people. Wear your ideas on your
: > sleeve, I say.
:
: Oh but ideas *do* kill people.
Hmm, Poor Dick is now anti-idea... no surprise.
: The little idea that spurts forth from
: an immature brain
has lead many a poor sheep to Poor Dick's boudoir
Mike
Prince Richard Kaminski
> If they carry out their orders correctly, it'll be you and me both
> swinging from the trees.
Sorry, Gary, but don't count me in your members club of Asiaphile
perverts.
> But my goodness, Richard, all this talk from you about censoring ideas
> in the name of protecting society
Never said anything of the sort. Strange fruit indeed ....
Prince Richard Kaminski
> Your non-mentating friend may be
> enlightened as you say, on the other hand
> maybe she's just clueless. Having spent 10
> years in Japan and gotten to know a few
> demure feamles I'd say the odds-on favorite
> is the latter.
You are suggesting that many (if not the vast majority of) Japanese
females are "clueless".
Why?
Mike Fester
:
: > If they carry out their orders correctly, it'll be you and me both
: > swinging from the trees.
:
: Sorry, Gary, but don't count me in your members club of Asiaphile
: perverts.
Mike
Marc Lamphier
No, I said the particular female Gary was describing was clueless. I
could be wrong, but you may judge for yourself:
Francois JACQUES
Apparently, most of the people answering are americajin. I can't imagine
anybody wearing this kind of stuff in US, sure, but this is not US, this is
Japan !!! They don't care about what american pple will react ! They think
the cloth is fun and affordable for them, so they buy it. It reminds me of a
funny story that happened some years ago in Tokyo. A japanses girl wanted to
have something written in French on her T-Shirt. She asked a french guy for
something. He wrote : "Je suis une merde" (I am a shit !). And the girl put
it on her T-Shirt. So, we were laughing at her in Harajuku when we saw her
!!
Adrian HAVILL
>
> >Sorry to interrupt this marvelously degenerating thread, but has anyone
> >actually spotted this particular brand of clothing in the Tokyo area
> >recently? I was thinking deep thoughts when I first noticed it, just
> >thought it would make a good gag gift for some of my friends back home.
> >I suppose I should be happy with starting my first thread in fj.l.i-j; I
> >though Japanese fashion trends might come up, but never guessed Nazis and
> >Surrealism would enter into the discussion. I'm dissappointed mysogeny
> >hasn't been mentioned. I even got PRK to post! Multiple times! If I can
> >get myaw to post, I'll be a certified member of this ng. (or is that
> >certifiable?)
>
> Apparently, most of the people answering are americajin. I can't imagine
> anybody wearing this kind of stuff in US, sure, but this is not US, this is
> Japan !!!
See
<URL:http://www.bayinsider.com/partners/heckler/old_heckler/3.2/Svalue2.html>.
Americans invented it. They wear it (although not anyone I know).
Some stores now sell smaller "bitch" items with just the word "bitch",
or, if the logo is small and printed on paper, they cover the gun with a
sticker of a flower, to make it look like the guy's holding a flower to
her head.
--
Adrian D. Havill
gary
Mike Fester wrote:
>
> Prince Richard Kaminski (dobun...@NOSPAMhotmail.com) wrote:
> : If I come round to Gary's house with an armed gang, and urge my
> : followers
>
> They'd bleat in bewilderment.
>
Yep, so far the only command they understand is "spread 'em".
--gary
Lei Tanabe
Prince Richard Kaminski wrote in message
<36A383F3...@NOSPAMhotmail.com>...
>gary wrote:
>>
>> Prince Richard Kaminski wrote:
>> > Oh but ideas *do* kill people. How many have been slaughtered in the
>> > name of Communism, anti-Communism, Nazism, nationalism, and organised
>> > religion in this century alone? The little idea that spurts forth from
>> > an immature brain can indeed lead to the pile of corpses.
>>
>> Let's lock them ideas up and throw away the key. "Mein Kampf" resting on
>> a cell bunk...how appropriate, how poetic.
>
>Nevertheless, if the ideas had not "inspired" the perpetrators of these
>atrocities, the atrocities wouldn't have occurred.
I agree.
They get it into their head that their atrocities are righteous and indeed
necessary for the common good.
And leaders use slogans to convince their people.
Some might go on in that inspired way merely feeling it's "omoshiroi ne" or
"ii ja nai?"
Lei
gary
mlam...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I realize that many people around the world
> have become psychologically dependent on
> my guidance. It is my duty to prevent
> synchophancy and the evolution of any kind
> of "Anwerman" cult by questioning most
> severely those who believe. It's my attempt
> to get you to find the Answerman that lies
> within.
The search for answers fails the moment you start looking. The line for
applications for those wishing to become one of my disciples forms on
the left.
> I agree it is good to live in a society that
> talks about any idea. I disagree that it is
> good to live in a society that tolerates
> abuse - even the idea of abuse. You want to
> suggest that aesthetics is the ultimate
> standard by which to judge something.
> Anything is OK as long as you call it Art (or
> somebody-- somewhere --calls it Art).
The art thing was just a lure to get the boys and girls into the
temple. After that's accomplished I dope them up with situational
ethics and then brainwash them with nihilism. It's a set program that
comes with the franchise. Keeps training costs down.
> So are you in favor of child pornography?
Yes. As long as there is no intercourse. Depictions of depravities with
children through drawings or manga however, like the kind often seen in
Japanese pornography, are permissible. Let me repeat: gary is in favor
of Japanese kiddie porn. This message will be archived at Dejanews for
those keeping records.
> How about snuff videos?
Yes. As long as it's faked. Or the consequence of fair and honest
justice: I endorse public, televised executions of convicted criminals.
> Maybe a manual
> complete with drawings that explain how to torture animals?
Yes. An unqualified yes. With accompanying recipes.
> Aren't these examples of
> wearing your ideas on your sleeve?
For those who walk above the surface of ideas and particulars, such
examples are not obstacles. Hurry up, those applications are running
out.
>
> And what about other people's sensibilities? Are they unimportant
> because individual expression takes precendence?
Again, it's not about art and expression. It's about [ ]. That
blank cannot be filled. You'll have to use your intuition.
> If I want to
> take a dump out on my lawn in front of the
> neighbors because I consider it creative and
> "omoshiroi", should I? And can I get
> Southby's to auction it off?
Only if you can it. See Piero Manzoni. But good art is not necessarily
right action: we should always clean up after ourselves.
>
> Yeah... I know. Enlightenment in Zen Buddhism
> is supposed to mean freeing yourself from
> critical thought. There's the classic parable
> of the five monks drowning in a well, and
> they manage to rescue themselves, but then
> one of the monks starts wailing in despair
> because he only counts four monks standing.
> The other monks realize he is truly
> enlightened -- he forgot to count himself!
Yesterday my wife cut my hair. She's done it since college, and is
quite good now. Afterwards I took a shower and went back to work.
About five hours later I realized I had yet to look at myself in a
mirror. For five hours I was enlightened. And I didn't even know it.
> Your non-mentating friend may be
> enlightened as you say, on the other hand
> maybe she's just clueless. Having spent 10
> years in Japan and gotten to know a few
> demure females I'd say the odds-on favorite
> is the latter.
I wish there were some way to upload her onto the net so you all can
judge for yourselves. You'll just have to trust me: she's no
coquettish little nit. Not that there's anything wrong with that. See
below.
All along I thought
> the typical Hanako-san buying Gucci bags
> and doing the big hair thing were all
> airheads - now I realize they are actually
> non-mentating. I guess that also explains
> JPOP, manga, "tarento" and wide shows.
I intimated in a previous post that I consider JPOP punk. And I mean
it. It is devoid of worth; therein lies its greatness. Same goes for
manga and tarento and daytime wide shows. I'm surprised you don't
understand this aesthetic, Marc. Like the zen masters say,
enlightenment is a special kind of stupidity.
>
> I realize now I've misunderstood Japanese
> culture all these years.
How you ever managed to bag a lovely Japanese wife with that dualistic,
conceptual Western thinking is a paradox beyond the insight of even a
wise man like me.
--gary
haon...@my-dejanews.com
gary <gar...@pop21.odn.ne.jp> wrote:
>
>
> mlam...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Yeah... I know. Enlightenment in Zen Buddhism
> > is supposed to mean freeing yourself from
> > critical thought. There's the classic parable
> > of the five monks drowning in a well, and
> > they manage to rescue themselves, but then
> > one of the monks starts wailing in despair
> > because he only counts four monks standing.
> > The other monks realize he is truly
> > enlightened -- he forgot to count himself!
>
> Yesterday my wife cut my hair. She's done it since college, and is
> quite good now. Afterwards I took a shower and went back to work.
> About five hours later I realized I had yet to look at myself in a
> mirror. For five hours I was enlightened. And I didn't even know it.
> > Your non-mentating friend may be
> > enlightened as you say, on the other hand
> > maybe she's just clueless. Having spent 10
> > years in Japan and gotten to know a few
> > demure females I'd say the odds-on favorite
> > is the latter.
>
> I wish there were some way to upload her onto the net so you all can
> judge for yourselves. You'll just have to trust me: she's no
> coquettish little nit. Not that there's anything wrong with that. See
> below.
Theres a coquettish little nit in everyone.
You just have to learn how to drag it out properly.
> All along I thought
> > the typical Hanako-san buying Gucci bags
> > and doing the big hair thing were all
> > airheads - now I realize they are actually
> > non-mentating. I guess that also explains
> > JPOP, manga, "tarento" and wide shows.
>
> I intimated in a previous post that I consider JPOP punk. And I mean
> it. It is devoid of worth; therein lies its greatness. Same goes for
> manga and tarento and daytime wide shows. I'm surprised you don't
> understand this aesthetic, Marc. Like the zen masters say,
> enlightenment is a special kind of stupidity.
I would like to take a moment to say SMAP is just plain bad.
Also, they hurt my ears.
Thank you for your time and cooperation.
> > I realize now I've misunderstood Japanese
> > culture all these years.
>
> How you ever managed to bag a lovely Japanese wife with that dualistic,
> conceptual Western thinking is a paradox beyond the insight of even a
> wise man like me.
>
> --gary
Dear Gary,
Women are weird.
yours in science,
Noah A Christis
Haon Interactive
Executive Producer
---
"I bring them one of those magical radiating smiles with the dimples and
the straight white teeth that just puts those metal paddles on their
hearts and BANGS THEM RIGHT UP." -- Lisa P
Prince Richard Kaminski
Until they themselves become victims ....
Prince Richard Kaminski
>
> Prince Richard Kaminski wrote:
> >
> > mlam...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > > Your non-mentating friend may be
> > > enlightened as you say, on the other hand
> > > maybe she's just clueless. Having spent 10
> > > years in Japan and gotten to know a few
> > > is the latter.
> >
> > You are suggesting that many (if not the vast majority of) Japanese
> > females are "clueless".
> >
> > Why?
>
> No, I said the particular female Gary was describing was clueless. I
> could be wrong, but you may judge for yourself:
But you made that assumption on the basis of the "demure females" you
met during your decade-long stay in Japan, who, you imply, were
"clueless".
In my experience, Asiaphiles, despite, or perhaps because of their
obsession, invariably treat the objects of their fetish with contempt
when it comes to dealing with them as human beings.
Mike Fester
: >
: > Prince Richard Kaminski wrote:
: > >
: > > mlam...@yahoo.com wrote:
: > >
: > > > Your non-mentating friend may be
: > > > enlightened as you say, on the other hand
: > > > maybe she's just clueless. Having spent 10
: > > > years in Japan and gotten to know a few
: > > > demure feamles I'd say the odds-on favorite
: > > > is the latter.
: > >
: > > You are suggesting that many (if not the vast majority of) Japanese
: > > females are "clueless".
: > >
: > > Why?
: >
: > No, I said the particular female Gary was describing was clueless. I
: > could be wrong, but you may judge for yourself:
: obsession, invariably treat the objects of their fetish with contempt
: when it comes to dealing with them as human beings.
Whereas treating the objects of your obsession as mere sheep is a close
natural as you'll ever get.
Mike
Prince Richard Kaminski
Shouldn't you be tending to your flock, Mike? There's a lot of big bad
wolves and coyotes out there you know.
Mike Fester
:There's a lot of big bad wolves and coyotes out there you know.
Can't say they concern me; they would interfere with your "party animals",
though.
Mike
Marc Lamphier
> > No, I said the particular female Gary was describing was clueless. I
> > could be wrong, but you may judge for yourself:
>
> But you made that assumption on the basis of the "demure females" you
> met during your decade-long stay in Japan, who, you imply, were
> "clueless".
No, you missed the point dear. Maybe I didn't explain it well, in which
case I apologize.
> In my experience, Asiaphiles, despite, or perhaps because of their
> obsession, invariably treat the objects of their fetish with contempt
> when it comes to dealing with them as human beings.
You haven't told us much about your "experience" Richard. How would we
know what this means?
I always get a kick out of folks who start explaining to you what your
own words "really" mean.
regards,
Marc
pk...@my-dejanews.com
al...@ucsee.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (Aaron Antonowich) wrote:
> Sorry to interrupt this marvelously degenerating thread, but has anyone
> actually spotted this particular brand of clothing in the Tokyo area
> recently? I was thinking deep thoughts when I first noticed it, just
> thought it would make a good gag gift for some of my friends back home.
if your friends are in america they can get BITCH clothing themselves.
the BITCH brand is, i beleive, from Calif. BITCH sells skateboards.
the logo was on the deck of their boards. they sold stickers and t-shirts.
then the BITCH brand became popular outside of the skate scene and now
they'll slap a BITCH logo on aything. i've seen BITCH jackets, BITCH hats,
BITCH shorts, BITCH bodyboard bags, BITCH snowboards...etc, etc, etc.
i've also seen BITCH knock-off and parody items.
you can buy your BITCH goods in TYO where ever skateboards, snowboards,
surfboards, etc are sold. check murasaki sports (shinjuku, shibuya)
they use to sell misc. BITCH clothing items.
kp
pk...@my-dejanews.com
"Francois JACQUES" <jac...@pop13.odn.ne.jp> wrote:
nny story that happened some years ago in Tokyo. A japanses girl wanted to
> have something written in French on her T-Shirt. She asked a french guy for
> something. He wrote : "Je suis une merde" (I am a shit !). And the girl put
> it on her T-Shirt. So, we were laughing at her in Harajuku when we saw her
> !!
>
HYSTERIC GLAMOUR, a TYO based clothing compamy who's target market is
young females sells misc clothing items with the word FUCK boldly printed
on them. Another series has FUCK HOUSE WORK printed on the clothing.
Falco-Ramin Javazi
news:7838j1$e9i$1...@newsgw7.odn.ne.jp...
>
>Apparently, most of the people answering are americajin. I can't imagine
>anybody wearing this kind of stuff in US, sure, but this is not US, this is
>the cloth is fun and affordable for them, so they buy it. It reminds me of
a
to
>have something written in French on her T-Shirt. She asked a french guy for
>something. He wrote : "Je suis une merde" (I am a shit !). And the girl put
>it on her T-Shirt. So, we were laughing at her in Harajuku when we saw
her!!
<hehe> Thanks for sharing that nice story with us. :-)
Alert! OT-question: Do you, by any chance, know another Frenchman who goes
by the name of Mansour Mohammad and teaches or tought as an French-ALT at
Hamamatsu-Kitakou?
--
Regards, Falco-Ramin Javazi
Francois JACQUES
>Alert! OT-question: Do you, by any chance, know another Frenchman who goes
>by the name of Mansour Mohammad and teaches or tought as an French-ALT at
>Hamamatsu-Kitakou?
No, sorry !
wendyre...@gmail.com
> I was watching the gaijin program on TBS (channel 6) last night, and they
> showed some line of clothing named "bitch", just like Polo or Gap. Now, I've
> only been in Japan about 2 months, so I didn't understand very much (but I'm
> learning!) of what they were saying. (Although they seemed to be saying it
> rather loudly) Anyway, I was wondering if anyone could give me some clues
> as to where I could buy some of these clothes. Pretty much anywhere around
> Tokyo would be okay, I think I've finally gotten the hang of the trains and
> subways...
Is this Aaron from Durham, CA 1992?