ann
I understand that someone lives in Nara.
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Kevin Gowen
"His final words to me were: 'This time I think the Americans are
serious. Bush is not like Clinton. I think this is the end.' "
- Ala'a Makki, the former director of Uday Hussein's television
station, on the Ace of Hearts
Sadly, I've not gone far in my life since then, and I don't ride my
bike much anymore.
John W.
No doubt that is the fault of the minimum wage but I'm sure Gowan could give you
some good advice.
"Wherever you go, you carry a message of hope - a message that is ancient and
ever new. In the words of the prophet Isaiah, 'To the captives, come out, and to
those in darkness, be free."' President Bush II exhorting his soldiers on their
Crusades.
"light the darkness of the entire world" Kita Ikki
So I take it you think freeing the Iraqi people from the Hussein
regime was a bad thing? Or are you just anti-Bush no matter what?
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Michael Cash
"There was a time, Mr. Cash, when I believed you must be the most useless
thing in the world. But that was before I read a Microsoft help file."
Prof. Ernest T. Bass
Mount Pilot College
>>"Wherever you go, you carry a message of hope - a message that is ancient and
>>ever new. In the words of the prophet Isaiah, 'To the captives, come out, and to
>>those in darkness, be free."' President Bush II exhorting his soldiers on their
>>Crusades.
>
> So I take it you think freeing the Iraqi people from the Hussein
> regime was a bad thing? Or are you just anti-Bush no matter what?
I think Brett's sig is from http://www.monbiot.com/ - see "America Is a
Religion"
Sepponia made Hussein who he was, supported him despite everything he
did, and despite media reports to the contrary, nobody in Iraq is free
yet. I can't speak for Brett re Sepponia's dear leader, but I have
relatives and friends serving in harms way in Iraq (both in the US
military and in others), and not only do I think they should have gone
there under the circumstances in which they did, I want them home ASAP.
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"Actually, the US accounts for over 1/3 of the global GDP"
"I have to go against straight monetary comparisons in favor of PPP"
kevinomics 101
>Michael Cash wrote:
>> On 30 Jul 2003 22:44:14 -0700, Brett Robson <jet...@deja.com> belched
>> the alphabet and kept on going with:
>
>>>"Wherever you go, you carry a message of hope - a message that is ancient and
>>>ever new. In the words of the prophet Isaiah, 'To the captives, come out, and to
>>>those in darkness, be free."' President Bush II exhorting his soldiers on their
>>>Crusades.
>>
>> So I take it you think freeing the Iraqi people from the Hussein
>> regime was a bad thing? Or are you just anti-Bush no matter what?
>
>I think Brett's sig is from http://www.monbiot.com/ - see "America Is a
>Religion"
>
>Sepponia made Hussein who he was, supported him despite everything he
>did, and despite media reports to the contrary, nobody in Iraq is free
>yet. I can't speak for Brett re Sepponia's dear leader, but I have
>relatives and friends serving in harms way in Iraq (both in the US
>military and in others), and not only do I think they should have gone
>there under the circumstances in which they did, I want them home ASAP.
And Britain appeased Hitler, making one less impediment in his path.
Sepponia very likely bears some similar guilt. Does that make coming
along afterwards and getting the living skeletons out of the camps any
less a good deed?
If you forgot a "not" in the next to last line, though, my opinion on
the matter largely resembles yours. Anybody who thinks those people
will either create or maintain anything resembling a democracy
probably forgot to exhale.
Aye. Amongst many others too. People like Lindbergh were more common on
both sides of the Atlantic than post war "we were all anti-fascist"
accounts tend to suggest. Without Pearl Harbor, I've often wondered
whether the third reich might not still exist in one form or other. For
all his efforts, its hard to see how FDR could have declared war on
Germany before 1943 or so.
> Sepponia very likely bears some similar guilt. Does that make coming
> along afterwards and getting the living skeletons out of the camps any
> less a good deed?
Of course. If our troops could manage to remove torture, assassination,
human rights abuses and the gun from politics then its never to late to
undo past mistakes. I simply doubt that they can. That is one serious
screwed up country.
> If you forgot a "not" in the next to last line, though, my opinion on
I did indeed forget a "not". That post was unfortunately sent
pre-dinner. Starving Iraqi children notwithstanding, a man has to
remember his priorities. It was a nice lasagna with a drop of chianti in
case you're wondering.
> the matter largely resembles yours. Anybody who thinks those people
> will either create or maintain anything resembling a democracy
> probably forgot to exhale.
I think the most likely scenario is that ordinary Iraqis will find when
the dust settles that one CIA backed, totalitarian government of thugs
dishing out contracts to Halliburton etc will have been replaced by a
CIA backed, totalitarian government of thugs dishing out contracts to
Halliburton etc.
Kevin, why bother replying?
Reading books, watching latest movies, & riding my bike are things I do everyday.
Just need something else-communication
ann
Time will tell. But I'm not confident.
Once the 3rd Infantry manages to extradite itself from Iraq is it going to free
the other oppressed people of the world? Or is the budget $US 100 Billion and
one country a year? Syria has a nasty regime and borders Iraq and the Med. The
transports could sit off the coast and wait for the 3rd to drive through. It's
close to the air bases in old Europe and there would be a lot of incentive for
the soldiers, there's nice beaches and, personally I like the food from that
area.
> Or are you just anti-Bush no matter what?
No. I was very impressed with Bush post WTC attack when he went out of his way
to make concillatory gestures to the Islamic community, purely symbolic but
highly appropriate. Of course our Prime Minister was unable to bring himself to
do the same thing, in fact dismissing the idea as ridiculous.
On the other hand I have no respect for someone who hid in the National Guard
during a war. I have far more respect for a conscentious objector who refused
the draft and was willing to suffer the consequences of the action. (Imagine
living in Canadia for the rest of your life)
A civilian Commander in Chief who quotes "the prophet Isaiah" to his troops and
says "God Bless you all" is no different to a Mullah who seeks religious war.
"Wherever you go, you carry a message of hope - a message that is ancient and
ever new. In the words of the prophet Isaiah, 'To the captives, come out, and to
those in darkness, be free."' President Bush II exhorting his soldiers on their
Crusades.
I could still have friends in the SASR. A paradox which Mike would probably
understand, I would have been happy to go myself but quite angry that my country
is once again fighting in the middle east. We seem to make a habit of "dying on
middle eastern beaches" (lyrics from TISM).
This sums up my thoughts well.
http://www.smh.com.au/photography/regular/cartoon/2003/08/01/1016611753327.html?picindex=3
We are not one of the big boys, our army is smaller than the Texas or Utah
National Guards.
"Wherever you go, you carry a message of hope - a message that is ancient and
ever new. In the words of the prophet Isaiah, 'To the captives, come out, and to
those in darkness, be free."' President Bush II exhorting his soldiers on their
Crusades.
Alan Moir is a cartooning god. Usually the first thing I at in the paper.
> (Imagine living in Canadia for the rest of your life)
Only watching Hockey Night in Canada and guzzling cheap maple syrup keep me
sane.
Jason, how exactly does someone guzzle maple syrup? Isn't that gooey
shit something that is normally spread on something else? Do you suck it
through a straw? Inject it? IV?
> "Actually, the US accounts for over 1/3 of the global GDP"
>
> "I have to go against straight monetary comparisons in favor of PPP"
>
>
> kevinomics 101
I respectfully request the use of the term "Gowenomics."
KWW
一億 apologies duly and deservedly extended. sig amended. lower case.
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"Actually, the US accounts for over 1/3 of the global GDP"
"I have to go against straight monetary comparisons in favor of PPP"
gowenomics 101
Energy is the key; it sthe bodies money
Japan? I love all of them except those under age 25. I also hate
their excessive idolization of americans and west europeans. and
kinpatsu. and concrete buildings. It seems like japanese spend all
this effort building virtue, than shamelessly ignore or trash it. I
dunno I guess this was my impression of japan.
I hate when I write I change the subject and go on ranting. I thikn
this is the root of trolling. I dunno. I know im ranting shut up
>>> (Imagine living in Canadia for the rest of your life)
>>
>> Only watching Hockey Night in Canada and guzzling cheap maple syrup keep me
>> sane.
>
> Jason, how exactly does someone guzzle maple syrup? Isn't that gooey
> shit something that is normally spread on something else? Do you suck it
> through a straw? Inject it? IV?
Nope, you just tip your head back and pour it in, much like one would do
with a pint of beer. Luckily, Canadians are born with a breathing hole on
the back of their heads so lack of oxygen doesn't become an issue.
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Just to show I am fair minded, check this "corker" from our illustrious PM.
PM won't rule out US military bases
The United States could approach Australia about providing a base for its
troops, Prime Minister John Howard said.
"We haven't been approached yet," Mr Howard said.
"I say yet because I suspect that what is happening at the moment in the wake of
the American military victory in Iraq ... the Americans are undertaking a review
of their basing requirements around the world.
"Out of that they may possibly approach Australia, they may not.
"We haven't said anything in advance and I don't give blank cheques.
"If they have a proposal to put to us, we'll have to consider it.
"And there shouldn't be any assumptions made that we would automatically agree
or disagree, we will have a look at it.
"It's possible."
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and that is an edited version, imagine how inspid that would have been live.
The article goes on
"In May the government denied a report that the US planned a greater military
presence in Australia including US F-16 fighters for extended periods at the
RAAF Tindal base in the Northern Territory and a bigade of up to 5,000 US
Marines at an Australian army base."
Which is pretty funny. Our biggest base is a brigade. The Seppos might get a
shock how small our bases are. (I'd prefer soliers to marines)
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"Wherever you go, you carry a message of hope - a message that is ancient and
ever new. In the words of the prophet Isaiah, 'To the captives, come out, and to
those in darkness, be free."' Bush II exhorting his soldiers on their Crusades.