Coming to Tokyo
Igirisujin
Im looking to move to Japan around August time this year to be with my
Japanese girlfriend.
Im an IT professional 32 years old here in the UK and would welcome any
information/advice that is essential when moving to Japan.
i.e all the important things one must do to : Look for a place to live,
banking, contact utility companies once a place to live is found etc etc
My language is very basic and definitely not native speaking but I feel as
my girlfriend is Japanese I may have some advantage here.
I also need to find some contacts in Tokyo who could point me in the right
direction as to where to start looking for IT work preferably.
I have heard it would be nigh on impossible for me to get a job with a
Japanese firm but know of people already who work for US and British firms.
Any help be it simple or complicated would be very gratefully received and
many thanks in advance to you all.
Brett Robson
>
>Hello NG and Happy New year to you all
>
>Im looking to move to Japan around August time this year to be with my
>Japanese girlfriend.
Learn to read hiragana and katakana. 12 kanji a week for 8 months is around 400
which is a useful amount. It is hard though to study kanji outside of Japan
because of the lack of reinforcement but 400 is a reasonable target.
>Any help be it simple or complicated would be very gratefully received and
>many thanks in advance to you all.
>
Firstly don't even bother looking before you get here unless you decide to take
a job with a language chain
compare the serious english page with
http://www.teachinjapan.com/
the silly pink rabbit japanese version
http://www.nova-group.com/
Perhaps try but I guarrantee you will get sick of "great we look forward to
meeting you when you get here".
12 months ago I would have said don't bother there are no jobs. However I have
heard the market has picked up noticably recently, but I am neither on the job
market nor have I spoken to any agents recently so that might be total crap.
There are a lot of bilingual IT around who live here permanently so the
competition is still high. You might have to teach English.
The other point is there is practically no such thing as a foreign company in
Japan now. The expat is nearly extinct. Foreign company are actually Japanese
companies with funny names. They have Japanese management, employment practices
and Japanese conditions.
What area are you in? Anything to do with Microscoft probably requires near
native level Japanese.
Brett
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Igirisujin
Many thanks indeed for your feedback here. Looks like I have my work cut
out.
As for the language I already know 100 Kanji and the Kana as I have been
having lessons for 15 months now so I suppose it helps.
Im in an IT supporting role here near London in which I use IBM Iseries,
Windows 2K server Xp and 2k clients and Lotus Notes.
Im also doing my MCSE exams too.
I have told my girlfriend that I assumed things would be difficult in Japan
and I would do an EFL course before coming so I could teach English too if
needed. She wasnt too happy about that mainly due to her perception of young
English teachers in Tokyo of which Im ignorant about.
In the meantime thanks again and I will just keep researching ways to work
there.
Nick
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Ryan Ginstrom
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> Hello NG and Happy New year to you all
>
> Im looking to move to Japan around August time this year to be with my
> Japanese girlfriend.
> Im an IT professional 32 years old here in the UK and would welcome any
> information/advice that is essential when moving to Japan.
Do you have a 4-year university degree or equivalent? The lack of this will
severely hurt your chances of getting a visa.
> i.e all the important things one must do to : Look for a place to live,
> banking, contact utility companies once a place to live is found etc etc
Not to get too personal, but will you be living with your girlfriend? If so,
my advice would be to leave it up to her.
But take a good sockfull of cash with you, especially if you don't arrive
with job in hand.
> I also need to find some contacts in Tokyo who could point me in the right
> direction as to where to start looking for IT work preferably.
What is your field? If you are in e.g. finance your prospects are probably a
lot better than say, a Web developer.
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Habar
girlfriend to an unknown land, no matter how exciting, where your status
will be lower, where you will be the outsider. In short, you will
be playing on her territory. You're going to loose status. You'll loose
face. And nothing counts more than face and status in the world. A devoted
man? Forget about it. If you were intent on building a family with her,
you'd be looking out for yourself first, and taking her along for long
haul, wherever it is most advantageous for you.
In Japan, you'll have no specific advantage of having a Japanese
girlfriend, everyone has one. Read over the English teaching stories and
see if it fits your plan for the next five or ten years.
Then do a search on Google for the Japanese Wife 101 posting. Read that.
Michael Cash
the Mount tablets inscribed:
>As a 32 year old man, you should not be so pussy-whipped as to follow your
>girlfriend to an unknown land, no matter how exciting, where your status
>will be lower, where you will be the outsider. In short, you will
>be playing on her territory. You're going to loose status. You'll loose
>face.
When I was in the 5th grade, I lost the county spelling bee. I was
devastated.
--
Michael Cash
"While we thank you for considering our firm, regretfully we have no openings
for a person of your educational background and are returning your resume.
Despite what your academic advisor may have told you, there are, to the best
of our knowledge, no openings in our industry for a person with a degree in
farm ecology."
Dr. Seymore Butts
Human Resources
Acme Pharmeceuticals, Inc.
Drew Hamilton
>Do you have a 4-year university degree or equivalent? The lack of this will
>severely hurt your chances of getting a visa.
Am I correct in my understanding that they're still granting visas
under the "10 years combined experience and schooling" rule? A
bit under a year ago I spoke to an immigration attorney who
suggested that I should be fine with my 9 years' experience,
2-year college diploma and 1.5 years of university (I understand
that getting a job is a different matter entirely...)
--
- awh
http://www.awh.org/
Drew Hamilton
>On 6 Jan 2004 12:39:50 -0700, Habar <ha...@mail.cmm> brought down from
>the Mount tablets inscribed:
>>face.
>
>When I was in the 5th grade, I lost the county spelling bee. I was
>devastated.
Don't you mean that you loost it?
The 2-Belo
>The expat is nearly extinct.
HUZZAH!!!!!!!!1
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The 2-Belo
Maybe he actually meant that the moment he gets to Tokyo she'll be so happy to
see him that she fucks his face off.*
* That would make her the one who'll go to "loose status", if you know what I
mean and I think you do.
Gerry
wrote:
> As a 32 year old man, you should not be so pussy-whipped as to follow
> your girlfriend to an unknown land, no matter how exciting, where
> your status will be lower, where you will be the outsider.
Hmm. Even if your girlfriend goes some place cool that you'd like togo
and where you have a girlfriend already (her), you can't go. Some
nameless "status" (Japan's, the UK's, yours?) will be bent. Fascinating
logic.
> In short, you will be playing on her territory. You're going to loose
> status. You'll loose face. And nothing counts more than face and
> status in the world. A devoted man? Forget about it. If you were
> intent on building a family with her, you'd be looking out for
> yourself first, and taking her along for long haul, wherever it is
> most advantageous for you.
You know less than nothing about this person, this woman, their life,
their desires. Just abstract concepts of "face" and "status" and
"position", all of which are vague and irrelevant. Can comprehend a
relationship that's not a competetive psychological war-game?
> In Japan, you'll have no specific advantage of having a Japanese
> girlfriend, everyone has one. Read over the English teaching stories
> and see if it fits your plan for the next five or ten years.
Jesus. So far one of the best views I've seen tendered is to listen to
you and do exactly the opposite.
> Then do a search on Google for the Japanese Wife 101 posting. Read
> that.
I'm guessing, but I'll suppose it's less than useful, and specifically
counter-product.
--
First they gerrymander us into one-party fiefs. Then they tell us they only
care about the swing districts. Then they complain about voter apathy.
-- Gail Collins
Haluk Skywalker
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I don't know about IT, but in hotel business my 12 years experience and
collage diploma didn't work for obtaining work permit there.
I believe one (or his/her future employer) must establish the special need
for him/her in Japanese company he/she is to work. Also there are
limitations to the nature of the work to be done by the person applying for
work permit. For a native english speaker, teaching english always qualifies
but in other fields it must be explained to houmushou why that individual is
preferred over a Japanese person.
Hokousha
> Japanese girlfriend.
> Im an IT professional 32 years old here in the UK and would welcome any
> information/advice that is essential when moving to Japan.
> i.e all the important things one must do to : Look for a place to live,
> banking, contact utility companies once a place to live is found etc etc
Well, if you're learning Japanese then about the only significant
thing is to bring your university diploma with you. You'll need that
in order to get an engineer visa. Unless you have tons of cash and
know exactly where you want to be, it's best to wait until you get
here to find a place to live. There are magazines, like Apaman, that
list current offerings by location. It may be best to let your
girlfriend handle a lot of that. There are lots of details and it will
be hard to find someplace before you have a job and proper visa.
Banking. on the other hand, is easy. Many of the banks are technically
insolvent, so they're desperate for your cash (but don't expect to get
any interest on deposits). Citibank is generally OK. Get in touch with
with Welcome Furoshiki when you arrive (03-5472-7074). They'll bring
you all kinds of helpful information. The ward office where you end up
living may have information available, too. Utilities are trivial
except for the large number of options and payment plans for phone
service. Have fun unravelling those.
> My language is very basic and definitely not native speaking but I feel as
> my girlfriend is Japanese I may have some advantage here.
> I also need to find some contacts in Tokyo who could point me in the right
> direction as to where to start looking for IT work preferably.
> I have heard it would be nigh on impossible for me to get a job with a
> Japanese firm but know of people already who work for US and British firms.
You can take a peek at some listings at www.daijob.com. Your first
mission should be to network. Go to places where business and IT
people gather. Check with the UK embassy for meetings of commerce
groups, maybe a pub or two. When I lived in Tokyo, Propaganda, in
Roppongi, was a good place to meet people in IT, though promises made
in a bar are... well... promises made in a bar. At more formal
meetings, headhunters will magically appear with namecards. It's good
if you have some of your own. You can try to contact some of them
yourself, but somehow they're a bit like cats... they're more
interested if you don't appear to be interested in them.
Good luck!
Tim
PS An intermediate option if you have the cash is to sign up as a
full-time Japanese language student. Then you could start you life in
Japan on a student visa, though you won't be able to work during the
first six months (unless the rules have changed... it's been a while).
Also, I'm not sure what the top age is for a working holiday visa. If
you qualify, that's an excellent way to come to Japan. Check with the
nearest Japanese embassy or consulate.
The 2-Belo
>I don't know about IT, but in hotel business my 12 years experience and
>collage diploma didn't work for obtaining work permit there.
Hmm. After reading some of this and other threads about getting one's first
visa, I'm sort of glad I got here when I did, when it was much easier. I
wouldn't want to ever do it again. Yipe. University diploma *required*? Yipe!
Igirisujin
I was a little concerned with Habar's comments but in a way there was a lot
of truth in it. It will be difficult for me initially and I know that
already. I will be leaving a job here and straight into the unknown. Im not
following her to Japan we have decided together that it will be a nice
change from here near London.
I do have a degree from an English University and I have nearly 9 years work
experience in the IT field and a few years in banking.
The main reason for wanting to move was the change. I have always loved the
culture of japan and wanted to experience it first hand and not just for
holidays like I am doing at present when gf and me come back to stay with
her family etc.
I am very grateful for your feedback on this though and it does appear
difficult but on the other hand a challenge for me. If things don't work
out then I will rent my property here so I can always come back to Old
Blighty!!
In the meantime happy new year to you all and any info or feedback I come
across I will post here to help others who may ask similar things in the
future.
Nick
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Michael Cash
<the2...@msd.biPOKPOKglobe.ne.jp> brought down from the Mount tablets
inscribed:
>Haluk Skywalker and fj.life.in-japan is a baaaaaaaaaaad combination:
>
>>I don't know about IT, but in hotel business my 12 years experience and
>>collage diploma didn't work for obtaining work permit there.
>
>Hmm. After reading some of this and other threads about getting one's first
>visa, I'm sort of glad I got here when I did, when it was much easier. I
>wouldn't want to ever do it again. Yipe. University diploma *required*? Yipe!
When was it not required?
Michael Cash
down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
>Michael Cash <bugg...@fake.com> wrote:
>>On 6 Jan 2004 12:39:50 -0700, Habar <ha...@mail.cmm> brought down from
>>the Mount tablets inscribed:
>>>be playing on her territory. You're going to loose status. You'll loose
>>>face.
>>
>>When I was in the 5th grade, I lost the county spelling bee. I was
>>devastated.
>
>Don't you mean that you loost it?
Don't be crass.
Michael Cash
<Ni...@rees101.freeserve.co.uk> brought down from the Mount tablets
inscribed:
>Thanks to all for all your help
>
>I was a little concerned with Habar's comments but in a way there was a lot
>of truth in it.
There was truth in it something on the proportions of a single kernel
of corn in the most monstrous shit you've ever taken in your life. Do
what you like, but personally I'd focus more on the volume of shit in
his post than on the volume of corn.
And I hope you will take the following in the friendly spirit in which
it is offered: It would be appreciated if you wouldn't top post.
Igirisujin
Apologies for top posting Im new to using these groups so where am I going
wrong here then??
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Michael Cash
>Yes its well appreciated and I love the analogy.
Every now and then I give a grunt and deliver myself of a good one.
>Apologies for top posting Im new to using these groups so where am I going
>wrong here then??
Well, there seem to be different preferences on different groups. Some
prefer to have added comments top posted, some don't. Although there
is no absolute consensus on this particular group, several people find
top posting to be irritating.
What we normally do is to insert our comments immediately below the
point to which we are replying. Sometimes done at the end of the
paragraph, sometimes done by splitting a paragraph and inserting the
comment more closely to it's target. In that case, the remainder of
the paragraph can be left as-is, or may be selected and deleted from
the reply.
We used to bitch about people not trimming posts to keep them short,
semi-relevant, and easy to read with a minimum of scrolling. A member
currently on hiatus was such a flagrant violator that we eventually
just sort of gave up bitching about it. In fact, we now sometimes seem
to take some sort of devilish delight in appending a one-line comment
to a post which has snowballed to several hundred lines in length.
Brett Robson
>
> When I lived in Tokyo, Propaganda, in
>Roppongi, was a good place to meet people in IT,
Still is I have heard but I have never been there.
>PS An intermediate option if you have the cash is to sign up as a
>full-time Japanese language student. Then you could start you life in
>Japan on a student visa, though you won't be able to work during the
>first six months (unless the rules have changed... it's been a while).
I was going to suggest the same thing. If girlfriend is working and you are
living together get her to pay rent while you study. 6 months fulltime is a big
advantage.
Rules have changed, you can work from day one but you have to get a permission
rubber stamp.
Louise Bremner
> >PS An intermediate option if you have the cash is to sign up as a
> >full-time Japanese language student. Then you could start you life in
> >Japan on a student visa, though you won't be able to work during the
> >first six months (unless the rules have changed... it's been a while).
>
> I was going to suggest the same thing. If girlfriend is working and you
> are living together get her to pay rent while you study. 6 months fulltime
> is a big advantage.
If the bloke is a UK citizen, he might need to check with Immigration
about that. Used to be that UK citizens were not permitted to work on
student visas (a reciprocal arrangement), but I don't know if that has
changed since then, nor whether or not Immigration applies that rule
strictly or at all....
________________________________________________________________________
Louise Bremner (log at gol dot com)
If you want a reply by e-mail, don't write to my Yahoo address!
Declan Murphy
> PS An intermediate option if you have the cash is to sign up as a
> full-time Japanese language student. Then you could start you life in
> Japan on a student visa, though you won't be able to work during the
> first six months (unless the rules have changed... it's been a while).
It has changed. If you are at a school where the initial period of stay
for a shugakusei visa is 12 months (ie the top tier schools) then you
are eligible to work up to 28 hours per week from as soon as you obtain the
"permission-to-engage-in-activities-other-than-those-designated-by-your-current-visa-status"
thingee. In other words if he was at Yamasa.org for instance he could
start work about 10-14 days after arrival.
> Also, I'm not sure what the top age is for a working holiday visa. If
> you qualify, that's an excellent way to come to Japan. Check with the
> nearest Japanese embassy or consulate.
Differs from nationality to nationality. For most countries it is
apparently 25. The age limit is strictly enforced in the case of
Koreans, almost entirely unenforced in the case of Australians - up to
30 years old is OK in the case of the latter, married couples are OK,
and the period of stay (max. 18 months) longer than for the other
countries.
--
I am not who I think I am
I am not who you think I am
I am who I think you think I am
...or some such shite.
Declan Murphy
> Brett Robson <jet...@deja.com> wrote:
>
>>>PS An intermediate option if you have the cash is to sign up as a
>>>full-time Japanese language student. Then you could start you life in
>>>Japan on a student visa, though you won't be able to work during the
>>>first six months (unless the rules have changed... it's been a while).
>>
>>I was going to suggest the same thing. If girlfriend is working and you
>>are living together get her to pay rent while you study. 6 months fulltime
>>is a big advantage.
>
> If the bloke is a UK citizen, he might need to check with Immigration
> about that. Used to be that UK citizens were not permitted to work on
> student visas (a reciprocal arrangement), but I don't know if that has
> changed since then, nor whether or not Immigration applies that rule
> strictly or at all....
I've had 74 poms go through here with student visas in the last 6 years,
and so far all of them have had no trouble at all obtaining the work
permit when they requested it.
Habar
>the culture of japan and wanted to experience it first hand and not just
>for holidays like I am doing at present when gf and me come back to stay
>with her family etc.
OK. Fair enough. If you do cut it to a move on to a higher paying job, a
cute japanese girl, and that inner peace Tom Cruise on the set of The Last
Samurai, then please let us know.
The pages of the gaijin press seem to be full of success in Japan stories,
while this ng is full of Anglosaxon men complaining about their
Japanese wives, about Japan, about each other.
Than inner peace. Debito.org seems to have found it. He's in Japan to
stay. A tough one some say, a nut others murmururururu. A fun read.
Who knows. Maybe when you get back from Japan, you'll ride the next IT
wave.
Drew Hamilton
[re.. Working Holiday age limit]
>Differs from nationality to nationality. For most countries it is
>apparently 25. The age limit is strictly enforced in the case of
>Koreans, almost entirely unenforced in the case of Australians - up to
>30 years old is OK in the case of the latter, married couples are OK,
>and the period of stay (max. 18 months) longer than for the other
>countries.
For Canada it's 30 years old but the max. stay is 12 months.
Declan Murphy
Yes it varies from country to country. Partly due to the way the
bilateral agreements were signed, partly to reflect the actual flow of
working holiday makers. For example with the Australian whm, the stay is
3 x 6 months, but Japanese whm in Australia get 2 x 6 months. Why?
Because for every Australian whm in Japan, there are 6 or 7 bright young
things heading in the other direction. For Koreans it a bit of a
problem, because while large numbers of young Koreans would like to do a
wh in Japan, the number of Japanese wanting to go the other way is
relatively minute by comparison.
Igirisujin
post which is what Ive been doing since I started using NG's recently.
Anyway looking back, Habar is pretty negative here and appreciate the
sensible help obtained by those after those comments.
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Igirisujin
posting . I couldnt locate the intended one.Unless that is you meant the
porn ones. I dont think you did!! Ha ha
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Ken Yasumoto-Nicolson
>Thanks to all for all your help
>
>I was a little concerned with Habar's comments but in a way there was a lot
>of truth in it. It will be difficult for me initially and I know that
>already. I will be leaving a job here and straight into the unknown. Im not
>following her to Japan we have decided together that it will be a nice
>change from here near London.
>I do have a degree from an English University and I have nearly 9 years work
>experience in the IT field and a few years in banking.
>The main reason for wanting to move was the change. I have always loved the
>culture of japan and wanted to experience it first hand
Ha! Prepare for a shock...
>and not just for
>holidays like I am doing at present when gf and me come back to stay with
>her family etc.
>
>I am very grateful for your feedback on this though and it does appear
>difficult but on the other hand a challenge for me.
One thing I don't think has been made clear is that you cannot get an
engineer visa if you don't have a job to go to (well, without some
very fancy connections), and similarly a student visa needs a proper
school enrollment, which they're cracking down on these days,
especially for dodgy Chinese applicants. The only real way is to come
in on a 90-day visa then look for work -- or just marry your BYJG.
>Nick
Ken
Habar
Dan Rempel
> On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 12:49:27 -0000, "Igirisujin"
> <Ni...@rees101.freeserve.co.uk> brought down from the Mount tablets
> inscribed:
>
>
>>Yes its well appreciated and I love the analogy.
>
>
> Every now and then I give a grunt and deliver myself of a good one.
>
>
>>Apologies for top posting Im new to using these groups so where am I going
>>wrong here then??
>
>
> Well, there seem to be different preferences on different groups. Some
> prefer to have added comments top posted, some don't. Although there
> is no absolute consensus on this particular group, several people find
> top posting to be irritating.
>
> What we normally do is to insert our comments immediately below the
> point to which we are replying. Sometimes done at the end of the
> paragraph, sometimes done by splitting a paragraph and inserting the
> comment more closely to it's target. In that case, the remainder of
> the paragraph can be left as-is, or may be selected and deleted from
> the reply.
>
> We used to bitch about people not trimming posts to keep them short,
> semi-relevant, and easy to read with a minimum of scrolling. A member
> currently on hiatus was such a flagrant violator that we eventually
> just sort of gave up bitching about it. In fact, we now sometimes seem
> to take some sort of devilish delight in appending a one-line comment
> to a post which has snowballed to several hundred lines in length.
As a side-benefit we get to enjoy the pleasant pattern of quoted
material as we scroll down to the one-liner at the end.
Dan
Michael Cash
the Mount tablets inscribed:
>>The main reason for wanting to move was the change. I have always loved
You do realize, of course, that Debito is an Anglo-Saxon man who has
made a name for himself by constantly bitching and whining about
Japan, and that some of the Anglo-Saxon men on this group, apparently
not "in Japan to stay" according to your reckoning, have actually been
in Japan LONGER than that fuckwit.....don't you?
No....I suppose you don't.
Habar
Wasted. Just to blast through where no man has gone since Koizumi Yakumo?
And his wife was younger than him too. Hath ye no pride?
Prophet of the Way
Igirisujin wrote:
>
> Hello NG and Happy New year to you all
>
> Im looking to move to Japan around August time this year to be with my
> Japanese girlfriend.
> Im an IT professional 32 years old here in the UK and would welcome any
> information/advice that is essential when moving to Japan.
> i.e all the important things one must do to : Look for a place to live,
> banking, contact utility companies once a place to live is found etc etc
Japan A Country on Planet Earth (3rd edition)
By Paul Abramson
Louise Bremner
> > If the bloke is a UK citizen, he might need to check with Immigration
> > about that. Used to be that UK citizens were not permitted to work on
> > student visas (a reciprocal arrangement), but I don't know if that has
> > changed since then, nor whether or not Immigration applies that rule
> > strictly or at all....
>
> I've had 74 poms go through here with student visas in the last 6 years,
> and so far all of them have had no trouble at all obtaining the work
> permit when they requested it.
Glad to hear it. Must've been a temporary thing.
Louise Bremner
> Well hope this isnt a Top Post! Im just using the reply gropu on the last
> post which is what Ive been doing since I started using NG's recently.
> Anyway looking back, Habar is pretty negative here and appreciate the
> sensible help obtained by those after those comments.
>
> "Igirisujin" <Ni...@rees101.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > Yes its well appreciated and I love the analogy.
> > Apologies for top posting Im new to using these groups so where am I going
> > wrong here then??
> > "Michael Cash" <bugg...@fake.com> wrote in message
...
That was a top-post. Can't you see your post at the top?
The 2-Belo
>On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 18:08:41 +0900, The 2-Belo
><the2...@msd.biPOKPOKglobe.ne.jp> brought down from the Mount tablets
>inscribed:
>
>>Haluk Skywalker and fj.life.in-japan is a baaaaaaaaaaad combination:
>>
>>>I don't know about IT, but in hotel business my 12 years experience and
>>>collage diploma didn't work for obtaining work permit there.
>>
>>Hmm. After reading some of this and other threads about getting one's first
>>visa, I'm sort of glad I got here when I did, when it was much easier. I
>>wouldn't want to ever do it again. Yipe. University diploma *required*? Yipe!
>
>When was it not required?
Apparently during the time I applied, since I only have a two-year degree at a
two-bit backwater Alabama community college and snack bar.
The 2-Belo
>His antics are curious enough, but one wonders why?
Because he's the apotheosis of the attention whore who still clings, leechlike,
to the belief that his physical makeup and his status as a university professor
(Now! With More Tenure!) make him into the Third (or was it the fourth?) Coming
of Christ, and that the ability to take a public bath wherever he pleases is the
hot molten core of human rights issues.
That's why.
another fool
> Habar and fj.life.in-japan is a baaaaaaaaaaad combination:
>
> >His antics are curious enough, but one wonders why?
>
> Because he's the apotheosis of the attention whore who still clings, leechlike,
> to the belief that his physical makeup and his status as a university professor
> (Now! With More Tenure!) make him into the Third (or was it the fourth?) Coming
> of Christ, and that the ability to take a public bath wherever he pleases is the
> hot molten core of human rights issues.
>
> That's why.
Hehe - finally checked this Debito person out. I have to wonder
though - is the Japanese University System so bad that they will give
a tenured professorship to a person simply based on thier being a
native speaker?
Sorry but for someone with a Government Bachelors and International
Relations and Pacific Studies Masters Degree it hardely seems he is
qualified to be an English Professor - much less a tenured one (of
course what else could you do with a Government Undergrad and IRPS
Masters?). I mean his total college English education would be the 2
undergrad courses anyone with a degree from a US school had to take.
Declan Murphy
> The 2-Belo <the2...@msd.biPOKPOKglobe.ne.jp> wrote in message news:<3ffca476$0$3176$df06...@news.sexzilla.net>...
>>That's why.
>
> Hehe - finally checked this Debito person out. I have to wonder
> though - is the Japanese University System so bad that they will give
> a tenured professorship to a person simply based on thier being a
> native speaker?
Not quite. Apparently in various places there is to some extent other
issues such as err, skin pigment.
Michael Cash
>Michael Cash and fj.life.in-japan is a baaaaaaaaaaad combination:
>
>>On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 18:08:41 +0900, The 2-Belo
>><the2...@msd.biPOKPOKglobe.ne.jp> brought down from the Mount tablets
>>inscribed:
>>
>>>Haluk Skywalker and fj.life.in-japan is a baaaaaaaaaaad combination:
>>>
>>>>I don't know about IT, but in hotel business my 12 years experience and
>>>>collage diploma didn't work for obtaining work permit there.
>>>
>>>Hmm. After reading some of this and other threads about getting one's first
>>>visa, I'm sort of glad I got here when I did, when it was much easier. I
>>>wouldn't want to ever do it again. Yipe. University diploma *required*? Yipe!
>>
>>When was it not required?
>
>Apparently during the time I applied, since I only have a two-year degree at a
>two-bit backwater Alabama community college and snack bar.
Was there a Mrs. 2-Belo at the time?
another fool
> another fool wrote:
> > Hehe - finally checked this Debito person out. I have to wonder
> > though - is the Japanese University System so bad that they will give
> > a tenured professorship to a person simply based on thier being a
> > native speaker?
>
> Not quite. Apparently in various places there is to some extent other
> issues such as err, skin pigment.
Ahh - good thing he has the right... err... skin pigment.
Nice to know if my kids are here long enough to go to college they'll
get a good quality english education.
Igirisujin
to me like if I have the right attitude and can adapt to vast life changes
then maybe I stand at least half a chance of doing something successful in
Japan. Im sure one day marriage may be an option to my gf but doing that to
stay in a country isn't my favourite of options especially reading some of
the articles some of the NG put on here. Very interesting to say the least.
But as I have said before thanks very much to everyone who has given me
assistance. Believe me I will be going there with my eyes wide open and
intend to move there maybe August September time. Hopefully by then I could
have lined myself up with a job.
"Ken Yasumoto-Nicolson" <ken_ni...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:fn7ovv8vgipc8s638...@4ax.com...
Ken Yasumoto-Nicolson
wrote:
>Sorry but for someone with a Government Bachelors and International
>Relations and Pacific Studies Masters Degree it hardely seems he is
>qualified to be an English Professor - much less a tenured one (of
>course what else could you do with a Government Undergrad and IRPS
>Masters?). I mean his total college English education would be the 2
>undergrad courses anyone with a degree from a US school had to take.
Check some of his published writings out - his English is pretty
bloody dreadful; grammar, vocabulary and overall forming an argument
are about the level of an average high schooler.
But, I suppose it just reinforces the stereotype that all Japanese
can't write proper English what like us does.
Ken
Ken Yasumoto-Nicolson
<Ni...@rees101.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>Thanks Ken. I must say the vibes I am getting aren't all negative
Bugger, we'll have to try harder!
>but sound
>to me like if I have the right attitude and can adapt to vast life changes
>then maybe I stand at least half a chance of doing something successful in
>Japan.
Yes, that is very true. You need a long temper and a laid-back
attitude otherwise you'll be a screwed-up wreck in a few months or
year.
Ken
MJN
most shit I have heard for along time....
Hey Uk guy come on over and u will find work, problem with these guys is
hardly any of them work in a professional field so they don't know shit.
Most are English teachers and translaters and so forth.
Your main problem u say u r in IT but from ur exp u r only desktop support
so therefore it is not a high demand for OS workers with those skills. the
other prob is the visa, it isn't hard to get but companies souldn't be
bothered to sponsor u with ur skillset, u need more for them to make the
effort....
But anyway the easiest thing is to come over and try and get a job with a
recruitment coy or a place like Linc media or even an investment coy as they
are always looking for desktop support but be warned it is a shitty job.
IMHO worst IT job around.
If that doesn't work out just get ur visa by teaching some Eng and then dump
it and cahnces are higher to get that support job. But in all reality u need
proper skills to work anywhere OS these days.
mail me offlist and I can provide a list of IT recruitment coys in Tokyo.
cya
Matt
Ryan Ginstrom
"MJN" <chuc...@mbi.nifty.com> wrote in message
news:btjti2$ei2$1...@nsvn01.zaq.ne.jp...
> hardly any of them work in a professional field so they don't know shit.
> Most are English teachers and translaters and so forth.
That was nice for a chuckle, thanks.
Out of curiosity, please tell me the definition of "professional field"
whereby "desktop support" people are in one, and (techical) translators not.
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Michael Cash
<gins...@hotmail.com> brought down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
>
>"MJN" <chuc...@mbi.nifty.com> wrote in message
>news:btjti2$ei2$1...@nsvn01.zaq.ne.jp...
>> hardly any of them work in a professional field so they don't know shit.
>> Most are English teachers and translaters and so forth.
>
>That was nice for a chuckle, thanks.
I was amused by how his post went on to engage in and consist of
precisely the same sort of thing he took all the rest of us to task
for.
>
>Out of curiosity, please tell me the definition of "professional field"
>whereby "desktop support" people are in one, and (techical) translators not.
You're semi-skilled labor, just like me, get over it already.
Ryan Ginstrom
> I was amused by how his post went on to engage in and consist of
> precisely the same sort of thing he took all the rest of us to task
> for.
You mean talking out of his nether regions?
> >Out of curiosity, please tell me the definition of "professional field"
> >whereby "desktop support" people are in one, and (techical) translators
not.
>
> You're semi-skilled labor, just like me, get over it already.
Oh I know about that. I want to hear about the "professional field" part.
Perhaps it has something to do with the inability to write coherently? After
all, have you ever tried to read a doctor's handwriting?
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Prophet of the Way
Habar wrote:
>
> As a 32 year old man, you should not be so pussy-whipped as to follow your
> girlfriend to an unknown land, no matter how exciting, where your status
> will be lower, where you will be the outsider. In short, you will
> be playing on her territory. You're going to loose status. You'll loose
> face. And nothing counts more than face and status in the world. A devoted
> man? Forget about it. If you were intent on building a family with her,
> you'd be looking out for yourself first, and taking her along for long
> haul, wherever it is most advantageous for you.
>
> In Japan, you'll have no specific advantage of having a Japanese
> girlfriend, everyone has one. Read over the English teaching stories and
> see if it fits your plan for the next five or ten years.
>
> Then do a search on Google for the Japanese Wife 101 posting. Read that.
How to deal with a Japanese wife 101
http://groups.google.co.jp/groups?selm=asi44o%24prd%241%40cobalt01.janis.or.jp&output=gplain
The 2-Belo
>On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 09:14:00 +0900, The 2-Belo
><the2...@msd.biPOKPOKglobe.ne.jp> brought down from the Mount tablets
>inscribed:
>
>>Michael Cash and fj.life.in-japan is a baaaaaaaaaaad combination:
>>
>>>On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 18:08:41 +0900, The 2-Belo
>>><the2...@msd.biPOKPOKglobe.ne.jp> brought down from the Mount tablets
>>>inscribed:
>>>
>>>>Haluk Skywalker and fj.life.in-japan is a baaaaaaaaaaad combination:
>>>>
>>>>>I don't know about IT, but in hotel business my 12 years experience and
>>>>>collage diploma didn't work for obtaining work permit there.
>>>>
>>>>Hmm. After reading some of this and other threads about getting one's first
>>>>visa, I'm sort of glad I got here when I did, when it was much easier. I
>>>>wouldn't want to ever do it again. Yipe. University diploma *required*? Yipe!
>>>
>>>When was it not required?
>>
>>Apparently during the time I applied, since I only have a two-year degree at a
>>two-bit backwater Alabama community college and snack bar.
>
>Was there a Mrs. 2-Belo at the time?
Nope, there wasn't even a Mrs. 2-Belo candidate at the time; I didn't get
married until 1999.
I suspect that the company I worked for was able to convince the immigration
overlords that I was needed enough for my educational achievements to not be a
factor. Or maybe it was just my boundless charm. I don't know.
The 2-Belo
>Hey Uk guy come on over and u will find work, problem with these guys is
>hardly any of them work in a professional field so they don't know shit.
>Most are English teachers and translaters and so forth.
Well, crap, I guess you've caught us. Was it the fact that we could actually
write sentences with correctly-spelled words that gave it away?
Brett Robson
>
>Not directly replying to anyone in particular but this has got to be the
>most shit I have heard for along time....
>Hey Uk guy come on over and u will find work, problem with these guys is
>hardly any of them work in a professional field so they don't know shit.
>Most are English teachers and translaters and so forth.
Regular posters
English teachers: 0 (are there any?)
Translators: 3
who is talking shit?
>
>Your main problem u say u r in IT but from ur exp u r only desktop support
>so therefore it is not a high demand for OS workers with those skills. the
>other prob is the visa, it isn't hard to get but companies souldn't be
>bothered to sponsor u with ur skillset, u need more for them to make the
>effort....
been said, thanks for the encouragement.
>
>But anyway the easiest thing is to come over
cf "the smartest thing"
>and try and get a job with a
>recruitment coy or a place like Linc media or even an investment coy as they
>are always looking for desktop support but be warned it is a shitty job.
>IMHO worst IT job around.
>
now look who is talking crap.
>If that doesn't work out just get ur visa by teaching some Eng and then dump
>it and cahnces are higher to get that support job. But in all reality u need
>proper skills to work anywhere OS these days.
been said several times.
>
>mail me offlist and I can provide a list of IT recruitment coys in Tokyo.
>
won't do him any good until August.
If you are going to start off by saying how much shit has been said so far, it
might be an idea to lift your own game.
.
----
someone who wants junk mail
in...@jpat.jp
Brett Robson
>
>MJN and fj.life.in-japan is a baaaaaaaaaaad combination:
>
>>Hey Uk guy come on over and u will find work, problem with these guys is
>>hardly any of them work in a professional field so they don't know shit.
>>Most are English teachers and translaters and so forth.
>
>Well, crap, I guess you've caught us. Was it the fact that we could actually
>write sentences with correctly-spelled words that gave it away?
>
He can't even spell train-slater correctly. What a wanker.
Igirisujin
Thanks for that Matt. You are right about the support stuff although Im
fortunate enough to be taking my MCSE exams now and been doing customer
consultancy and IT training too which thinking about it wont be much help
in Japan due to language barriers etc but my skillset is quite vast so it
may not help. Yes you are right support is a thankless task!!!
Igirisujin
professional position. I suppose it depends on the personality and the way
users are handled!! (Sometimes a bunch of fives is a good means!!)
Out of interest, what professions are the majority in this news group
involved in?
"Igirisujin" <Ni...@rees101.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:btlrbt$epb$2...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...
Fabian
> I do however feel my position providing desktop support is rewarding
> and a professional position. I suppose it depends on the personality
> and the way users are handled!! (Sometimes a bunch of fives is a
> good means!!)
> Out of interest, what professions are the majority in this news group
> involved in?
Mostly we are truck drivers or air stewards, but there is the odd
English teacher thrown in the mix.
--
--
Fabian
Visit my website often and for long periods!
http://www.lajzar.co.uk
Michael Cash
brought down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
>Igirisujin hu kiteb:
>
>> I do however feel my position providing desktop support is rewarding
>> and a professional position. I suppose it depends on the personality
>> and the way users are handled!! (Sometimes a bunch of fives is a
>> good means!!)
>> Out of interest, what professions are the majority in this news group
>> involved in?
>
>Mostly we are truck drivers
Shhhhh! My mother might read this and figure out that I was lying when
I told her I gave that up and got a respectable job as an organ
grinder (with my own monkey and everything!).
>or air stewards, but there is the
> <oxymoron>odd English teacher</oxymoron> thrown in the mix.
I fixed your XML tags for you. No charge.
another fool
I refuse to pick on others spelling and grammer because before I
couldn't spell injuneer, now I are one.
As for his writings - I couldn't stand that unorganized runnon mess he
calls a website. I did see them, but I have never met a reputable
person who considered letters to the editor as "publications".
And I will agree - his arguements are depressingly weak. And oh look
- in addition to teaching english he also teaches debate. God that
school must be hard up.
Rafael Caetano
> On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 19:04:36 +0900, "Fabian" <laj...@hotmail.com>
> > <oxymoron>odd English teacher</oxymoron> thrown in the mix.
>
> I fixed your XML tags for you. No charge.
Oxymoron? I thought it was a pleonasm.
Rafael Caetano
Michael Cash
brought down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
>Michael Cash <bugg...@fake.com> wrote:
What's a neoplasma?
Rafael Caetano
> >> On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 19:04:36 +0900, "Fabian" <laj...@hotmail.com>
> >> >or air stewards, but there is the
> >> > <oxymoron>odd English teacher</oxymoron> thrown in the mix.
> >>
> >> I fixed your XML tags for you. No charge.
> >
> >Oxymoron? I thought it was a pleonasm.
>
> What's a neoplasma?
Oxymoron is a contradiction in terms. Pleonasm is a redundant,
repetitive expression with unnecessary, superfluous words some of
which could be eliminated because they aren't really essential. Like
"dishonest politician".
Rafael Caetano
Michael Cash
brought down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
>Michael Cash <bugg...@fake.com> wrote in message:
>> On 9 Jan 2004 09:18:50 -0800, rcae...@yahoo.com (Rafael Caetano)
>> >Michael Cash <bugg...@fake.com> wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 19:04:36 +0900, "Fabian" <laj...@hotmail.com>
>> >> >or air stewards, but there is the
>> >> > <pleonasm>odd English teacher</pleonasm> thrown in the mix.
>> >>
>> >> I fixed your XML tags for you. No charge.
>Oxymoron is a contradiction in terms. Pleonasm is a redundant,
>repetitive expression with unnecessary, superfluous words some of
>which could be eliminated because they aren't really essential. Like
>"dishonest politician".
Isn't that what I said?
GHill18299
housing?
As for an IT job, you'd better be fluent in Japanese if you expect to work for
a Japanese outfit. Look at www.jobseekjapan.com if you don't believe me.
Otherwise, get moving to contact those UK offices with branches in Japan now.