What are the laws regarding wage slips in japan. My boss doesnt want to do it.
Elbow
Its been a while since I posted here, hope you are all doing fine.
I have a quick question that is bugging me.
My employer doesnt give us wage slips because they say they want to
cut down on costs.
Is this legal?
I wanted to ask anyone here first before I request he send me a wage
slip every month, just in case he is legally allowed to do this.
I hope you can help.
Many thanks
Elbow
Michael Cash
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I've just spent a little while googling about searching for something
about this, with no luck. I e-mailed a friend whose husband runs a
small company. She does all the office work, including payroll.
Her opinion coincides with mine: This stinks to high heaven.
How much money could they possibly be saving on office supplies by not
giving employees a wage slip? Hardly any.
How much money could they be saving on contributions to your health
insurance and pension by paying you one amount and reporting a lower
amount to the authorities? Plenty. It's possible they don't give you a
pay slip in order to avoid passing out evidence of wrongdoing.
Did you work there last year? If so, did the year-end statement of
what you earned match what you calculate you earned? Should be easy to
figure out if you get a set salary each month. If the numbers don't
match, then you are a pawn in the company's tax evasion.
As to whether not giving a pay slip is legal or not, I can't find
anything definitive (yet). But I have never heard of a place which
doesn't give them out.
--
Michael Cash
"There was a time, Mr. Cash, when I believed you must be the most useless
thing in the world. But that was before I read a Microsoft help file."
Prof. Ernest T. Bass
Mount Pilot College
Jon up in Tohoku
>
> As to whether not giving a pay slip is legal or not, I can't find
> anything definitive (yet). But I have never heard of a place which
> doesn't give them out.
I can concur with that. Even the poor low budget outfit I work for now can
afford to give me a pay stub printed on B5 paper from Word. Must cost all of
a half a yen.
If you haven't found out by Wednesday as to the legality of this matter, I
will ask my schools accountant when he is in, and let you know. Can you wait
that long?
Jon
John W.
reaction.
When I was in Korea (1993) this sort of thing was a big problem. My
employer paid us in cash every month and 'deducted' all the
taxes/insurance. Turns out she was pocketing that money. She was also
the owner of our apartment, and the last straw for my roommate and me
was when she said there was an overdue gas bill; seems the guy had
misread the meter or some such, and if we'd just give her (the owner)
the money she'd overlook the problem (she blamed us for some reason).
John W.
Jon up in Tohoku
OK I have an answer for you. there is no provision in the Japanese Labour
Standards Law, However there is in the Income Tax Law. Your employer must be
giving you your "kyuryo meisai" every month. So if you couldn't find an
answer in the Labour law that is why.
Declan Murphy
> Hello,
> Its been a while since I posted here, hope you are all doing fine.
> I have a quick question that is bugging me.
> My employer doesnt give us wage slips because they say they want to
> cut down on costs.
> Is this legal?
In a word, no.
--
"All FDR undid was the value of the dollar"
Kevin Gowen (really)
Elbow
office with my pitbull and saw-off table leg.
Actually the company is an agent for teachers , maybe you have heard
of these guys?
Sagan Speak.
I worked for them last year and didnt get a wage slip. I never thought
to ask for one as my salary was fixed. But a fellow teacher who had
just arrived from UK phoned me up after pay day and was asking why
they didnt give him a wage slip and this got me to wondering why they
didnt give wage slips.
Sorry I couldnt get back to answer sooner.
Cheers
TokyoElbow
Michael Cash
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>Many thanks to all who answered, Im just on my way round to their
Did you get a statement from them at the end of the year. The 源泉徴収
(gensenchoushuu)? Not sure where you're from, but if you're Sepponian
you'll understand when I tell you it is the equivalent of a W-4 form.
Or a W-2. Hell, I forget. Whichever it is the employer gives you at
the end of the year so you can do your tax return.
John W.
> On 24 Jun 2003 22:49:28 -0700, tokyo...@totalise.co.uk (Elbow)
> belched the alphabet and kept on going with:
>
> >Many thanks to all who answered, Im just on my way round to their
> >office with my pitbull and saw-off table leg.
> >
> >Actually the company is an agent for teachers , maybe you have heard
> >of these guys?
> >Sagan Speak.
> >I worked for them last year and didnt get a wage slip. I never thought
> >to ask for one as my salary was fixed. But a fellow teacher who had
> >just arrived from UK phoned me up after pay day and was asking why
> >they didnt give him a wage slip and this got me to wondering why they
> >didnt give wage slips.
> >
> >Sorry I couldnt get back to answer sooner.
>
> Did you get a statement from them at the end of the year. The 源泉徴収
> (gensenchoushuu)? Not sure where you're from, but if you're Sepponian
> you'll understand when I tell you it is the equivalent of a W-4 form.
> Or a W-2. Hell, I forget. Whichever it is the employer gives you at
> the end of the year so you can do your tax return.
>
John W.
Michael Cash
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>Hello,
Are we ever going to get an update on what became of this?
Ken Yasumoto-Nicolson
<mike...@sunfield.ne.jp> wrote:
>On 22 Jun 2003 19:27:49 -0700, tokyo...@totalise.co.uk (Elbow)
>belched the alphabet and kept on going with:
>
>>Hello,
>>Its been a while since I posted here, hope you are all doing fine.
>>I have a quick question that is bugging me.
>>My employer doesnt give us wage slips because they say they want to
>>cut down on costs.
>>Is this legal?
>>I wanted to ask anyone here first before I request he send me a wage
>>slip every month, just in case he is legally allowed to do this.
>>I hope you can help.
>>Many thanks
>>Elbow
>
>Are we ever going to get an update on what became of this?
I missed the post the first time round, but I thought I'd add that
Matsushita stopped wage slips about a year ago for a good proportion
of the staff, but we instead get electronic forms with all the same
details listed out.
We still get paper bonus and end-of-year summary sheets, however.
Ken
Jon up in Tohoku
> >>Its been a while since I posted here, hope you are all doing fine.
> >>I have a quick question that is bugging me.
> >>My employer doesnt give us wage slips because they say they want to
> >>cut down on costs.
> >>Is this legal?
> >>I wanted to ask anyone here first before I request he send me a wage
> >>slip every month, just in case he is legally allowed to do this.
> >>I hope you can help.
> >>Many thanks
> >>Elbow
> >
> >Are we ever going to get an update on what became of this?
>
> I missed the post the first time round, but I thought I'd add that
> Matsushita stopped wage slips about a year ago for a good proportion
> of the staff, but we instead get electronic forms with all the same
> details listed out.
>
> We still get paper bonus and end-of-year summary sheets, however.
>
> Ken
Yeah, paperless systems are not uncommon, for large companies it can be a
half decent cost cutting initiative, not to mention save a lot of work for
accountants. However, the savings are negligible for a small school. And
this dude was talking about getting nothing at all from his employer.
And I concur with Mr. Cash, what is up here? I would also like to know if
anything came of all this.
Elbow
Update,
Im now recieving wage slips. They just started sending me them no questions asked.
Paranoid me was. Me ok now.
Thanks to all who contributed.
John W.
Either that or someone there reads this group.
John W.