Japan eyes yen loan to China for shinkansen system
Japan News Update
http://news.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=1&id=268450
Sunday, August 3, 2003 at 15:30 JST
TOKYO — Japan is considering providing a low-cost yen loan to China to
promote the Shinkansen bullet train system for a planned high-speed
rail link between Shanghai and Beijing, Japanese government sources
said Saturday.
China is expected to decide around this fall whether to use the
Japanese, French or German high-speed railway system, and Tokyo is
hoping the provision of the concessionary loan will be favorable to
Japan, the sources said. (Kyodo News)
ircirc
Update) wrote:
Please click on the following link to protest given Beijing-Shanghai
Railroad link to Japan
http://www.1931-9-18.org/bbs/guest_sign.asp
Reasons:
1) It is not cost beneficial, the money used to be used to build
hundreds of schools or hospitals desperatedly need by inland destitute
population
2) Japan has for the past 50 years refused to apologize for its
horrendous war crimes against Chinese and other Asian victims
3) Use China Star railroad system, which cost 10% of the value of the
project to Japan. Even though its slower, the investment of money can
bring about technology upgrades and jobs for Chinese workers.
4) Japan still illegally occupies China's Diaoyu Tai island.
5) Japanese politicians up to just a few days ago uses racial
epithets to attack Chinese.
There are more than 44,000 people already signed on. It's your duty
as Chinese oversea or otherwise to vote against this stupid project.
Raymond Luxury-Yacht II
loan to give them the bullet train construction contract. Thats not
fair to French and German competitors.
japan_ne...@yahoo.com (Japan News Update) wrote in message news:<31c0c08f.03080...@posting.google.com>...
> Japan eyes yen loan to China for shinkansen system
> http://news.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=1&id=268450
>
> Sunday, August 3, 2003 at 15:30 JST
>
> TOKYO ? Japan is considering providing a low-cost yen loan to China to
Xiao Li
Why not the French or German train instead? Why support the economy
of a people who only view us with contempt? Chinese politicians need
to grow some spines and think about national dignity instead of profit
and value.
Chinese Nationalist Revolution. The Only Solution.
www.ChineseNationalistAlliance.org
japan_ne...@yahoo.com (Japan News Update) wrote in message news:<31c0c08f.03080...@posting.google.com>...
> Japan eyes yen loan to China for shinkansen system
> http://news.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=1&id=268450
>
> Sunday, August 3, 2003 at 15:30 JST
>
> TOKYO ? Japan is considering providing a low-cost yen loan to China to
Kaz
> Japanese business people are so corrupted. They bribe China with a
> loan to give them the bullet train construction contract. Thats not
> fair to French and German competitors.
Liar, Actually Japan doesn't want to build the train system there
because China is asking to do it for compensation for war atrocies or
something and there is no advantage for Japan. And also because
possibly it would cause a lot of loss for the Japanese train company.
Japan had avoided to build it in Korea by same reason.
Japan will try to avoid to take the job and try to make either French
or German to get the job as long as it's possible. It's just too much
trouble to build it in China for Japan because there are always a
bunch of faultfinding assholes like Raymond in China.
Kaz
> http://news.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=1&id=268450
>
> Sunday, August 3, 2003 at 15:30 JST
>
> promote the Shinkansen bullet train system for a planned high-speed
> rail link between Shanghai and Beijing, Japanese government sources
> said Saturday.
>
> China is expected to decide around this fall whether to use the
> Japanese, French or German high-speed railway system, and Tokyo is
> hoping the provision of the concessionary loan will be favorable to
> Japan, the sources said. (Kyodo News)
Those politicians who had decided such ridiculous unprofitable loan to
China are all apologists of the war atrocities trying to flatter
China. Japan doesn't want to build it in China because it's so
unprofitable, but those fucking apologists of war criminals of Tokyo
are trying to DEDICATE it to imperial China by our tax money. Such a
ridiculous loan to China will bring Japan no benefit but will bring a
lot of losses. It's really a damn thing for ordinary Japanese
citizens.
Kaz
> On 3 Aug 2003 06:26:42 -0700, japan_ne...@yahoo.com (Japan News
> Update) wrote:
>
> >Japan eyes yen loan to China for shinkansen system
> >http://news.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=1&id=268450
> >
> >Sunday, August 3, 2003 at 15:30 JST
> >
> >promote the Shinkansen bullet train system for a planned high-speed
> >rail link between Shanghai and Beijing, Japanese government sources
> >said Saturday.
> >
> >China is expected to decide around this fall whether to use the
> >Japanese, French or German high-speed railway system, and Tokyo is
> >hoping the provision of the concessionary loan will be favorable to
> >Japan, the sources said. (Kyodo News)
>
> Please click on the following link to protest given Beijing-Shanghai
> Railroad link to Japan
Hey, Mr. sick Jap.-hating Chinaman. It's only you Chinese who keep
claiming such thing to Japan one-sided. We don't care about such
Beijing-Shanghai railroad thing. We have nothing to do with it. So
will you shut up such a nonsense please?
> http://www.1931-9-18.org/bbs/guest_sign.asp
>
> Reasons:
>
> 1) It is not cost beneficial, the money used to be used to build
> hundreds of schools or hospitals desperatedly need by inland destitute
> population
It's completely not beneficial to Japan. It's even hazardous to Japan.
No Japanese ever wants to build such railroad in China. Your country
China is exactly the one that has been insistently claiming Japan to
build it by Japan so egoistically. You are protesting wrong country
and people. Shame on you.
> 2) Japan has for the past 50 years refused to apologize for its
> horrendous war crimes against Chinese and other Asian victims
Why do we have to apologize more? You poor pathetic Chinamen always
claiming us to apologize for such war things just want to get money
from Japan, and want to rip us off, don't you? It's just a
blackmailing to us.
Chinamen always adopt such war atrocities things for their reason for
blackmail against Japan, but don't you think it's a little too old
trick these days?
I think you already used the old trick for blackmailing us too many
times, therefore there is no more persuasiveness anymore.
Actually many Japanese politicians had apologized to China many times
in the past 50 years, but it seems that Chinamen don't want to admit
it then they deny it because they want to keep the cause to blackmail
us. Shame on you. You are just like robbers.
> 3) Use China Star railroad system, which cost 10% of the value of the
> project to Japan. Even though its slower, the investment of money can
> bring about technology upgrades and jobs for Chinese workers.
>
> 4) Japan still illegally occupies China's Diaoyu Tai island.
Mr. Chinaman liar, Senkaku islands are Japan. not China.
> 5) Japanese politicians up to just a few days ago uses racial
> epithets to attack Chinese.
Ahahahaha! laughing! You are paranoia.
You should see a psychiatrist immediately.
You should know that Japanese politicians are not Chinamen's dogs.
They have their rights to criticize China. Do you understand such a
basic logic? I wonder why you Chinamen always force us to not
criticize China. Is that a communist's way? Don't you know that Japan
is a liberated country that admit people the freedom of speech? In
Japan, you can't force anyone not to speak about a certain thing. Do
you understand this simple logic? Please don't misunderstand Japan as
if it's like your country that regulate people's speech.
>
> There are more than 44,000 people already signed on. It's your duty
> as Chinese oversea or otherwise to vote against this stupid project.
Ummmm. So there are already such 44,000 blackmailers.........so scary.
klmok
Japanese system and Germany already has the MagLev train in service.
Its the support facilities that count as much as the frontline
equipment. An all German system - Maglev + bullet Train - could save
quite a lot in parts and personnel training. I would also prefer the
German system, their industries are hungrier and therefore give a
better deal. Then the French and Japanese suppliers will most likely
have too much political baggage with their equipment.
On 3 Aug 2003 06:26:42 -0700, japan_ne...@yahoo.com (Japan News
Update) wrote:
Kaz
news:3f2e04da....@shawnews.ed.shawcable.net...
> The German system looks like a front runner since it is newer than the
> Japanese system and Germany already has the MagLev train in service.
> Its the support facilities that count as much as the frontline
> equipment. An all German system - Maglev + bullet Train - could save
> quite a lot in parts and personnel training. I would also prefer the
> German system, their industries are hungrier and therefore give a
> better deal. Then the French and Japanese suppliers will most likely
> have too much political baggage with their equipment.
Yes, Japan has too much unwilling troublesome political baggages with it due
to its responsibility of the war. It seems that China is trying to get it
almost for free from Japan as the compensation for the war things. We really
don't want to build it, so we hope Germans take it.
However, unfortunately, It seems China is more interested in a
mass-transportable bullet train system than MagLev trains. MagLev trains
system is very efficient on a short route, however, as for a long distance
route, people tend to prefer to take an airplane instead of it. China is
expecting its people would take airplanes for the whole route of
Beijing-Shanghai(approx.1200km). Unlike in Germany, most major cities in the
Pacific side and the inland sea side of Japan are standing in a line, and
although the bullet trains service from Tokyo to Fukuoka, which is approx.
1100km away of Tokyo, most people take airplanes for the whole route of
Tokyo-Fukuoka instead of riding on a bullet train for nearly five hours. I
think the average riding hours of most people taking the bullet train in
Japan is about 1-2 hours. China is expecting this phenomenon then
approaching Japanese system which is more mass-transportable that would fit
the 1.3 billion population of China. This would be unhappy thing to us since
Chinese always complain us about something too much and we all know that
they will complain a lot things about the bullet train system if we ever
built it in spite of the fact that it's completely fruitless for us.
Honestly we don't want give Chinese another cause to claim us. So we wish
Germans to take the job there. I think Germans should promote to sell it
keenly. Good luck.
But you are not German, aren't you?
> On 3 Aug 2003 06:26:42 -0700, japan_ne...@yahoo.com (Japan News
> Update) wrote:
>
> >Japan eyes yen loan to China for shinkansen system
> >http://news.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=1&id=268450
> >
> >Sunday, August 3, 2003 at 15:30 JST
> >
> >TOKYO ・Japan is considering providing a low-cost yen loan to China to
Xiao Li
Anyways, I can guarentee you the Japanese are doing this ONLY because
it is profitable. Besides, a LOAN isn't a gift. It's agreement
whereby the borrower has to repay the principle plus accumulated
interests.
Simply put, if the Japanese are losing profit by building this train.
Then it also means their competitors the French and the Germans are
also losing profit. So what's their motivation?
k...@ivebeenframed.com (Kaz) wrote in message
Kaz
> *Barf*
>
> Why not the French or German train instead? Why support the economy
> of a people who only view us with contempt? Chinese politicians need
> to grow some spines and think about national dignity instead of profit
> and value.
I'll tell you what. Japanese would be so glad if China rejects our
system. It doen't support anything about Japanese economy. It actually
sucks our economy.
Kaz
> Japanese apologists? Isn't that an oxy-moron?
You always sound like you despise and hate the Japanese so much.
What's your problem? Aren't you the one that views us with contempt?
> Anyways, I can guarentee you the Japanese are doing this ONLY because
> it is profitable.
We are not imperial communists like you. You may not understand our
logic of free economy but whether it's profitable or not is very
important in our capitalism world.
> Besides, a LOAN isn't a gift. It's agreement
> whereby the borrower has to repay the principle plus accumulated
> interests.
Such ridiculously low interest loan is nothing besides a piece of
tribute by a blackmail. And it's not even guaranteed whether China
will really pay it back or not. We still worry if China might welsh on
it by pointing your nuke to us.
> Simply put, if the Japanese are losing profit by building this train.
> Then it also means their competitors the French and the Germans are
> also losing profit. So what's their motivation?
Ask them. I have no idea what they think about it.
Raymond Luxury-Yacht II
> raym...@yahoo.com.au (Raymond Luxury-Yacht II) wrote in message news:<848f8aa3.03080...@posting.google.com>...
> > Japanese business people are so corrupted. They bribe China with a
> > loan to give them the bullet train construction contract. Thats not
> > fair to French and German competitors.
>
> Liar, Actually Japan doesn't want to build the train system there
> because China is asking to do it for compensation for war atrocies or
> something and there is no advantage for Japan. And also because
> possibly it would cause a lot of loss for the Japanese train company.
> Japan had avoided to build it in Korea by same reason.
> Japan will try to avoid to take the job and try to make either French
> or German to get the job as long as it's possible. It's just too much
> trouble to build it in China for Japan because there are always a
> bunch of faultfinding assholes like Raymond in China.
Ha ha ha ha.....you are such a FUNNY man.
No wonder Japan has nominated you as "The Comical Ali" of Japan.
Raymond Luxury-Yacht II
>
> Why not the French or German train instead? Why support the economy
> of a people who only view us with contempt? Chinese politicians need
> to grow some spines and think about national dignity instead of profit
> and value.
>
>
> Chinese Nationalist Revolution. The Only Solution.
> www.ChineseNationalistAlliance.org
Yes China should go for the German Bullet Train.
Raymond Luxury-Yacht II
Of course he is German. You mean you have never heard of him ? His
real name is Wolfgang Burkhardt.
Kaz
> Simply put, if the Japanese are losing profit by building this train.
> Then it also means their competitors the French and the Germans are
> also losing profit. So what's their motivation?
In addition to my another comment, another issue that the Japanese are
worrying about is that China is the country that never respect
intellectual property right. We are expecting that Chinese soon
imitate its whole system, then they will produce by their own, but we
don't think you can imitate them perfectly. It's very dangerous if you
don't follow a certain Japanese technology, and we can't guarantee its
safety. Chinese have been producing a lot kinds of pseudo-Japanese
products such as "YAMAHO" motorcycle or something by imitating, and
the Chinese government doesn't care about it much. That is ridiculous
for us and we expect you will imitate its whole system, produce a
pseudo bullet train then crash and kill many people, and you will pass
the buck to us, then blame us.
klmok
>
>However, unfortunately, It seems China is more interested in a
>mass-transportable bullet train system than MagLev trains. MagLev trains
>system is very efficient on a short route,
Exactly. They are complementary transportation solutions and neither
one by itself is meant as a universal transportation solution as you
have noted.
The Meglev is ideal for short haul high density traffic such as the
(name?) Airport-Downtown Shanghai link. I didn't think the Meglev was
a suitable solution until it ran its first tests. When you think of
it the Meglev moves a lot of people quickly (25 minutes) without
taking up road space. New top class roads would have meant
appropriating a lot of valuable farmland and built up property to
build that road. Plus when you mix people traffic with goods traffic
on the same roads the people traffic gets delayed, a two hour commute
if I recall.
The Meglev has an elevated right of way track system. This removes
the necessity of an equivalent large fleet of motorized road vehicles,
their associated pollution and the road expansion needed. My initial
concern was that the Maglev cost more than a billion dollars to build.
Would passenger fares ever be enough to pay back its investment? It
looks like it can. Then everything else falls into place as a great
idea, a great investment and everyone involved came off smelling of
roses.
To have the Meglev and the Bullet Train from the same country does
have its advantages. Most maintenance is simply nuts and bolts and
the tools needed to use them. By this I mean the millions of small
motors, the electrical systems, the pneumatics, the hydraulics, the
fittings, etc. Then there is the instrumentation. Again although
they all meet ISO specs there are still subtle differences as each
manufacturer has its own solutions and these solutions work with the
solutions of other manufacturers in their country's industrial
environment. If they are all German for example, one can bet that
parts from different manufacturers will work with each other and if
not a substitute can be quickly found.
>however, as for a long distance
>route, people tend to prefer to take an airplane instead of it. China is
>expecting its people would take airplanes for the whole route of
>Beijing-Shanghai(approx.1200km).
I still prefer the Bullet Train solution to airports We should
realise that the Shanghai Beijing corridor is one of the most densely
populated areas on this planet. This population density can only grow
worse with time.
There is little open land around Beijing and Shanghai to build large
airports that will be able to handle the projected air traffic for the
next 40 years for example. Air travel is just becoming affordable in
China. The growth will be expotential as China becomes more affluent.
When you build large airports you must also have the transportation
and ancillary services for that airport. Its a gigantic
infrastructure project. I prefer the Bullet Train solution as
capacity can be increased without too much trouble or costs.
A Bullet Train can transport masses of people and goods efficiently
and right to the downtown between the two cities. It may have a
slightly longer travel time than flying. But if you have done any
flying, the cost of taxifares or long term parking, and the fact that
its no easy commute to and from the airport will make one realise that
air communte time is only part of the equation. You are looking at 1
to 1.5 hours in ground transportation at any airport destination,
often more. Thus if I were to travel between Shanghai and Beijing I
will cvertainly prefer a Bullet Train. Its as fast overall, a lot
more comfortable, a better view of the country and certainly a lot
more safe.
>Unlike in Germany, most major cities in the
>Pacific side and the inland sea side of Japan are standing in a line, and
>although the bullet trains service from Tokyo to Fukuoka, which is approx.
>1100km away of Tokyo, most people take airplanes for the whole route of
>Tokyo-Fukuoka instead of riding on a bullet train for nearly five hours. I
>think the average riding hours of most people taking the bullet train in
>Japan is about 1-2 hours.
You are probably right on this, the 1.2 hour travel time norm. But to
me this makes the Bullet Train as China's transportation solution even
more attractive. There is no mass car ownership in China. The roads
outside the big cities are still "primitive" by world standards. That
leaves ordinary rail traffic and buses as the intercity
transportation. These are slow and uncomfortable, uneconomical, lost
time means lost profits. The alternative will be a fleet of small
commuter planes, an even less efficient means of moving goods and
people. I strongly believe China should never emulate the wasteful
practices of the industrialized countries - the two car in every
garage type lifestyle. Its not sustainable and the environmental and
economic stress that will be imposed on China will cause her downfall.
The Bullet Train with its high density ridership should be able to
keep the cost of fares down. This will make the train far more
attractive than private vehicle ownership and therefore keep down the
need for more highway infrastructure. For China this makes far more
sense than any other transportation infrastructure solution.
>China is expecting this phenomenon then
>approaching Japanese system which is more mass-transportable that would fit
>the 1.3 billion population of China. This would be unhappy thing to us since
>Chinese always complain us about something too much and we all know that
>they will complain a lot things about the bullet train system if we ever
>built it in spite of the fact that it's completely fruitless for us.
>Honestly we don't want give Chinese another cause to claim us. So we wish
>Germans to take the job there. I think Germans should promote to sell it
>keenly. Good luck.
>
>
I shall keep out of the political arguments as those should be
irrelevant to the economics of infrastructure development. I included
the Japan political baggage because this is one issue that will cloud
the issues at this stage.
>But you are not German, aren't you?
>
I wouldn't be able to pass myself off as one if my life depended on
it.
Xiao Li
Chinese public official assail racist remarks against the Japanese?
Unlike the Chinese, Japanese politicians frequently assail Chinese
with racist rhetoric.
Imperial Communist? Are you an idiot? One of the core doctrines of
Communism is to condemn imperialism. Geez, you are really dumb.
Look at yourself, Kaz. Everyone can see you are the only one here
writhing with anti-Chinese hatred. I'm just telling the facts like
they are. You're the one making ridiculous accusations such as "the
Chinese not paying back the loan and nuking Japan." What Bullshit.
Kaz
Aha, you are paranoia. I don't think the Japanese hate the Chinese.
It' just your silly masochistic delusion.
> When was the last time you heard a
> Chinese public official assail racist remarks against the Japanese?
Chinese communists have been accusing a lot of Japanese people as
"Brutal-Devil-Japanese" and then they executed many Japanese blooded
Chinese such as the Japanese left over in Manchuria or their
descendants. I just watched a movie that the Chinese cooking up a
Chinese person having a part of Japanese blood as
"Brutal-Devil-Japanese spy" then executed him.
The movie was supposed to be situated at the time around the Great
Proletarian Cultural Revolution in the 60's or something, but I
definitely think people in China still believe that every Japanese are
such "Brutal-Devil-Japanese" just like you do. And that's so scary and
ridiculous for us.
> Unlike the Chinese, Japanese politicians frequently assail Chinese
> with racist rhetoric.
What racist huh? They are blaming such offensive Chinese attitudes
against us, and they have nothing to do with such racist rhetoric. And
don't forget that the Chinese had nuked Nagasaki and Hiroshima then
massacred millions of children, women and elder citizens. Just don't
try to cheat the fact as if only the US did. A-bomb was dropped by
CHINA, Russia, GB, and the US. Sho Kai Seki(I don't know how to
pronounce it in Chinese)surely agreed and then signed his name on the
agreement that Truman had offered.
> Imperial Communist? Are you an idiot? One of the core doctrines of
> Communism is to condemn imperialism. Geez, you are really dumb.
You don't have any sense of humor or irony, don't you? The Chinese
always blame and execute "Brutal-Devil-Japanese imperialists" but the
Chinese communists are nothing different from imperialists. The
Chinese are awful imperial racists for us. You guys are awfully
ethnocentric self-centered xenophobic people, then you are only
blaming Japanese by your subjective point of view, but at objective
point of view, you guys are merely imperialists for us.
> Look at yourself, Kaz. Everyone can see you are the only one here
> writhing with anti-Chinese hatred.
I like traditional Chinese, but I don't like those White-worshipping
communists who hate us, who treat us as brutal devil animals. And
don't forget that your buddy country of North Korea has been
threatening us by Tepodong missiles. And your buddy Kim Jong Ill had
abducted a bunch of innocent Japanese civilians, then abused them in
his imperial kingdom. How could someone like such people who are
abusing us, threatening us? And don't forget that China is cooperating
to North Korea.
> I'm just telling the facts like
> they are. You're the one making ridiculous accusations such as "the
> Chinese not paying back the loan and nuking Japan." What Bullshit.
Huh? How could we trust such a country that believes the Japanese are
devil?
How could we trust such a country that constantly threatens us?
Kaz
> Chinese public official assail racist remarks against the Japanese?
> Unlike the Chinese, Japanese politicians frequently assail Chinese
> with racist rhetoric.
>
> Imperial Communist? Are you an idiot? One of the core doctrines of
> Communism is to condemn imperialism. Geez, you are really dumb.
In addition to another comment, also don't forget your imperial
communist's buddy Russia(USSR) had abused Japanese POWs in Siberia
then killed several hundred thousand of them. More than a half of the
whole POW. And you should realize that, to us, all you Chinese are
ofetn merely brutal animals who abused and slaughterd millions of
Japanese people. The Chinese deserved to be criticized. It's so
selfish that you Chinese constantly blame the Japanese with racist's
attitude but you never allow us to criticize the Chinese. It looks so
self-esteemed ethnocentric behavior as usual Chinese dumb silly
behavior. You Chinese even ran over and killed your own youths by
tanks. Shame on you.
You Chinese are exactly "Brutal Devils" themselves. And if you don't
realize it, you are an idiot.
klmok
>
>In addition to another comment, also don't forget your imperial
>communist's buddy Russia(USSR) had abused Japanese POWs in Siberia
>then killed several hundred thousand of them.
Kaz (is it Kazumi eg.?) Your English is too good for you to be
Japanese. Your history is atrocious. I think you are a white guy
baiting Chinese guys in this newsgroup. And you are succeeding.
And to the Chinese guys who took kaz's bait.
Anyone with the minimal reading of history books on the subject will
immediately see that kaz is wide off the mark on any historical event
and its interpretation. Its the classic Holocaust Denial tactic. Say
something outrageous and and racist and get all the attention real
life has denied the writer. You'd be better off ignoring kaz. No
sensible reader believes anything he says. Kaz's miniscule legion of
supporters won't believe your rebuttals either. So why bother.
Raymond Luxury-Yacht II
>On 5 Aug 2003 00:42:47 -0700, k...@ivebeenframed.com (Kaz) wrote:
>
>>
>>In addition to another comment, also don't forget your imperial
>>communist's buddy Russia(USSR) had abused Japanese POWs in Siberia
>>then killed several hundred thousand of them.
>
>
>Kaz (is it Kazumi eg.?) Your English is too good for you to be
>Japanese. Your history is atrocious. I think you are a white guy
>baiting Chinese guys in this newsgroup. And you are succeeding.
Kaz is a Japanese-Canadian. He mentioned that he was sexually abused
as a kid in Canada by a white woman :
"Kaz" <k...@ivebeenframed.com> wrote:
> You even reminded me the worst White-Canadian pervert woman
> from Vancouver abused me when I was young.
Raymond Luxury-Yacht II
>raym...@yahoo.com.au (Raymond Luxury-Yacht II) wrote in message news:<848f8aa3.03080...@posting.google.com>...
>> Japanese business people are so corrupted. They bribe China with a
>> loan to give them the bullet train construction contract. Thats not
>> fair to French and German competitors.
>
>Liar, Actually Japan doesn't want to build the train system there
>because China is asking to do it for compensation for war atrocies or
>something and there is no advantage for Japan. And also because
>possibly it would cause a lot of loss for the Japanese train company.
>Japan had avoided to build it in Korea by same reason.
>Japan will try to avoid to take the job and try to make either French
>or German to get the job as long as it's possible. It's just too much
>trouble to build it in China for Japan because there are always a
>bunch of faultfinding assholes like Raymond in China.
You got that right, Punk !!!
If Japan does build the Bullet Train for China, I will fly to China
with a bunch of News Reporter to bad-mouth the Train.
Xiao Li
> communist's buddy Russia(USSR) had abused Japanese POWs in Siberia
> then killed several hundred thousand of them. More than a half of the
> whole POW. And you should realize that, to us, all you Chinese are
> ofetn merely brutal animals who abused and slaughterd millions of
> Japanese people. The Chinese deserved to be criticized. It's so
> selfish that you Chinese constantly blame the Japanese with racist's
> attitude but you never allow us to criticize the Chinese. It looks so
> self-esteemed ethnocentric behavior as usual Chinese dumb silly
> behavior. You Chinese even ran over and killed your own youths by
> tanks. Shame on you.
>
> You Chinese are exactly "Brutal Devils" themselves. And if you don't
> realize it, you are an idiot.
LOL. Thanks for the laugh.
Please Enlightened-one, tell me when did the Chinese kill "millions"
of Japanese people? Perhaps you're confusing the 20 million Chinese
that the Japanese killed during WW2. China NEVER invaded Japan. I
know it. You know it. Everybody knows it.
I'm glad top hear the Russians abused the Japanese POWs. What the
hell did you expect them to do? Serve the Japs some sushi? The
Japanese were the aggressors during the War, they murdered and raped
everything in sight. They deserved to be treated like animals. Like
Truman said, "when you're dealing with a beast, you gotta treat it
like a beast."
I'm also glad to hear Chiang Kai Shek signed the agreement with Truman
on dropping the A-bomb on Japan. My respect for Chiang has increased
tremendously upon learning this fact. The only regret I had with the
Atomic bombings was there only had 2.
Sure everybody is racist, including the Chinese. But I'm talking
about a matter of degree. In the US, when Trent Lott congradulated
Strom Thurmond, he was forced to step down for the racist implication
involved. In Japan, Tokyo Governor calls Chinese people "animals" and
gets re-elected. So please, Kaz. Tell me who's racist now?
Nomen Nescio
>Why not the French or German train instead? Why support the economy
>of a people who only view us with contempt? Chinese politicians need
>to grow some spines and think about national dignity instead of profit
>and value.
>
at the cost of Chinese population has been a die-hard China tradition.
Even Microsoft software, known for its collaboration with NSA/CIA, has
been recently admitted into China official system via some local make-
over smoke and mirrors, let alone bribes over big ticket procurements.
Did you know most of the mansions and luxury cars in North America were
purchased by mainlanders in the past 3 years?
Umm. Loan to China denominated in Yen? That's very smart and cute.
Japan is bankrupt in US$ terms and Japan is not allowed to redeem/cash
its massive loans to US in the forms of treasuries or loans to US
government. Loaning around in Yen keeps Yen currency popular, thus
forcing China to pay back in Yen, and Japan can never run out of Yen -
just keep the press rolling like what Uncle Sam has been doing.
Unfortunately Shinkansen is terribly backward technology and it shakes
and spills out tea so much only military like Japanese can stand it.
French TGV so far keeps the best record in terms of safety and comfort.
Unfortunately France had terrible record in bribing both mainland
CCPers and Taiwan TIers to sell both its military and commercial
products. France also had American like record of litigation. German
ACE had accidents before and its testing in Shanghai just failed. But
if using foreign high-speed train technology is a must, then Germany is
the safest choice because Germany doesn't pose hefty national security
threats as do US, UK, Japan, or France. China can also lift German
economy significantly when US/UK have been blockading Germany for its
refusal to participate in invasion of Iraq. Besides, Germany has been
the most reliable mechanical technology leader.
Transportation is heavily related to national security. It's time China
beefs up its own high speed train technology to lift its military
technology in great leaps. Relying on foreign ideology or technology
imports has always brought horrible tragedies to the Chinese
eventually. Heavy reliance on Russia for military imports is another
major threat to China national security. While US has been rounding up
Chinese Ph.Ds working sweat for their arms industries, China should
take the opportunity and attract those top Chinese talents back. CCPers
should know why those Chinese talents unwilling to contribute to China
despite the risk of being crucified as Chinese spies by Americans.
Kaz
> > In addition to another comment, also don't forget your imperial
> > communist's buddy Russia(USSR) had abused Japanese POWs in Siberia
> > then killed several hundred thousand of them. More than a half of the
> > whole POW. And you should realize that, to us, all you Chinese are
> > ofetn merely brutal animals who abused and slaughterd millions of
> > Japanese people. The Chinese deserved to be criticized. It's so
> > selfish that you Chinese constantly blame the Japanese with racist's
> > attitude but you never allow us to criticize the Chinese. It looks so
> > self-esteemed ethnocentric behavior as usual Chinese dumb silly
> > behavior. You Chinese even ran over and killed your own youths by
> > tanks. Shame on you.
> >
> > You Chinese are exactly "Brutal Devils" themselves. And if you don't
> > realize it, you are an idiot.
>
>
> LOL. Thanks for the laugh.
Cruel animal laughs at atrocities they had acted.
> Please Enlightened-one, tell me when did the Chinese kill "millions"
> of Japanese people? Perhaps you're confusing the 20 million Chinese
> that the Japanese killed during WW2. China NEVER invaded Japan. I
20 million? Liar!
> know it. You know it. Everybody knows it.
No, the Chinese had massacred approximately 2 million Japanese
civilians by two nukes and carpet bombings on major cities. Don't
cheat it as if China wasn't the member of the Allies.
> I'm glad top hear the Russians abused the Japanese POWs. What the
> hell did you expect them to do? Serve the Japs some sushi? The
> Japanese were the aggressors during the War, they murdered and raped
> everything in sight. They deserved to be treated like animals. Like
> Truman said, "when you're dealing with a beast, you gotta treat it
> like a beast."
Russians abused the Japanese POWs AFTER the surrender, not during the
war. They are the dumb worst dirty cowards in the whole world, just
like the Chinese.
So you admitted the fact that you cousider the Japanese as
Devil-Animals then you had abused, massacred millions of the Japanese
because you think we desreved to be abused and slaughtered.
So you are the Devil-Animals for us. Do you understand this simple
logic?
YOU ARE THE BRUTAL ANIMALS who had abused and massacred us. And how
could we trust such brutal animals?
> I'm also glad to hear Chiang Kai Shek signed the agreement with Truman
> on dropping the A-bomb on Japan. My respect for Chiang has increased
> tremendously upon learning this fact. The only regret I had with the
> Atomic bombings was there only had 2.
So the Chinese are the ones that nuked us then massacred so many
children and women, Brutal Animal! Why is the Nanking rape thing so
big deal to you while you had massacred more Japanese?
> Sure everybody is racist, including the Chinese. But I'm talking
> about a matter of degree. In the US, when Trent Lott congradulated
> Strom Thurmond, he was forced to step down for the racist implication
> involved. In Japan, Tokyo Governor calls Chinese people "animals" and
> gets re-elected. So please, Kaz. Tell me who's racist now?
Ishihara is an exception. He is a dumb stupid racist who is possibly a
Korean descendant or a Burakumin. Our Tokyojaps are so stupid
countrymen so they don't know what the hell they are doing. But the
rest of the Japanese, especially Kansaijin are not like Ishihara. We
don't like him.
But anyway, the Chinese are the brutal animals who had massacred
millions of us, and who had run over and killed your own youths.
Xiao Li
> 20 million? Liar!
I have a 1996 Edition of World Book Encyclopedia. In the volume W,
under WW2, they list the respective casualties in each country and
China's casualties were 20 million.
> No, the Chinese had massacred approximately 2 million Japanese
> civilians by two nukes and carpet bombings on major cities. Don't
> cheat it as if China wasn't the member of the Allies.
You're confusing the Chinese with the Americans. Just because the
Chinese were on the same team as the Americans doesn't mean they all
share responsibility for each other's actions. But then again, I'm
really in favor of the two atomic bombs dropping. I am very glad to
learn that over 2 million Japanese died. Trust me, you just made my
day.
> Russians abused the Japanese POWs AFTER the surrender, not during the
> war. They are the dumb worst dirty cowards in the whole world, just
> like the Chinese.
> So you admitted the fact that you cousider the Japanese as
> Devil-Animals then you had abused, massacred millions of the Japanese
> because you think we desreved to be abused and slaughtered.
The Japanese continued to murder the Chinese civilians and American
POWs even after the surrender. And yes, I do believe you people
deserved to be abused and slaughtered.
> So you are the Devil-Animals for us. Do you understand this simple
> logic?
> YOU ARE THE BRUTAL ANIMALS who had abused and massacred us. And how
> could we trust such brutal animals?
Ummm... No. We were simply trying to defend our country from being
invaded. We were trying to prevent our women from being raped. We
were simply trying to protect our children from being bayonetted. We
were the defenders. You were the brutal aggressors.
> So the Chinese are the ones that nuked us then massacred so many
> children and women, Brutal Animal! Why is the Nanking rape thing so
> big deal to you while you had massacred more Japanese?
Again, it was the Americans nuked you. Not the Chinese. And as I've
said before, I support the bombings 100%. I even named my Dog "Enola
Gay" after the airplane that nuked Japan.
> Ishihara is an exception. He is a dumb stupid racist who is possibly a
> Korean descendant or a Burakumin. Our Tokyojaps are so stupid
> countrymen so they don't know what the hell they are doing. But the
> rest of the Japanese, especially Kansaijin are not like Ishihara. We
> don't like him.
Wow. I'm surprised a racist like yourself doesn't support Ishihara.
My question is why? You and Ishihara are twins separated at birth:
You both are anti-Chinese. You both deny the atroctities Japan
committed. You both try to justify Japan's aggression. You both are
racists.
> But anyway, the Chinese are the brutal animals who had massacred
> millions of us, and who had run over and killed your own youths.
Correction: The Chinese were defenders of their country. The Japaense
were invaders and brutal invaders for that matter. The Tiananmen
Incident was a tragic incident but that is none of your concern. What
do you care about Chinese students?
ircirc
undeservedly have human skins. Just look at how they have lived
throughout history, excessive inbreeding, incessant harassment of
mainland and absolutely not a single technological or cultural
contribution to the world. Did the little island rock populated by so
called wae people ever had an ally throughout history? Obviously not.
The so called US-Jap alliance is nothing but US dick deeply lodged in
little japs' ass. They are the epitime of what people say "so poor,
that all they have is some money", oops, now they are even having
difficult in that area. Is the little wae people making any noise in
the world stage these days, anyone, anyone??
Kaz
>
>
> > 20 million? Liar!
>
> I have a 1996 Edition of World Book Encyclopedia. In the volume W,
> under WW2, they list the respective casualties in each country and
> China's casualties were 20 million.
It's hard to believe because the Chinese often distort it for their
advantages.
> > No, the Chinese had massacred approximately 2 million Japanese
> > civilians by two nukes and carpet bombings on major cities. Don't
> > cheat it as if China wasn't the member of the Allies.
>
> You're confusing the Chinese with the Americans. Just because the
> Chinese were on the same team as the Americans doesn't mean they all
> share responsibility for each other's actions.
Sho Kai Seki was certainly agreeing the Truman's idea of nuking those
cities. He surely signed on the written agreement of nuking them. If
Sho Kai Seki didn't sign it, Truman did not nuke them. So don't try to
flee from the responsibility. Don't pass the buck to Americans only.
You Chinese are exactly ones who should be blamed.
> But then again, I'm
> really in favor of the two atomic bombs dropping. I am very glad to
> learn that over 2 million Japanese died. Trust me, you just made my
> day.
Of course you are glad to slaughter the Japanese because you are such
bloody Brutal-Devil animal called Chinese.
> > Russians abused the Japanese POWs AFTER the surrender, not during the
> > war. They are the dumb worst dirty cowards in the whole world, just
> > like the Chinese.
> > So you admitted the fact that you cousider the Japanese as
> > Devil-Animals then you had abused, massacred millions of the Japanese
> > because you think we desreved to be abused and slaughtered.
>
> The Japanese continued to murder the Chinese civilians and American
> POWs even after the surrender.
Again, Liar! All those Japanese in the continent rushed to get back to
Japan from Manchuria and China immediately after the surrender. Many
of them even had to leave their children in Manchuria because dirty
Russians were coming to hunt the Japanese so close, and they didn't
have enough time to escape with their children. So how could they ever
abuse those POWs huh?
Please stop telling a lie in public.
> And yes, I do believe you people
> deserved to be abused and slaughtered.
Yes, because you Chinese are brutal animals.
> > So you are the Devil-Animals for us. Do you understand this simple
> > logic?
> > YOU ARE THE BRUTAL ANIMALS who had abused and massacred us. And how
> > could we trust such brutal animals?
>
> Ummm... No. We were simply trying to defend our country from being
> invaded. We were trying to prevent our women from being raped. We
Manchuria is not China. Manchurians are not the Chinese. Manchurians
have a different culture, language and character, They are much close
to Koreans or Mongolians. They are far from the Han-Chinese. It's not
any northeastern part of China, it's Manchuria. So Chinese invaded
Manchuria and you are squatting in Manchuria now.
> were simply trying to protect our children from being bayonetted. We
I don't think the Japanese were molesting any Chinese child like you
nuked and killed so many of Japanese innocent children and women.
> were the defenders. You were the brutal aggressors.
Nope, the Chinese are the brutal devils.
> > So the Chinese are the ones that nuked us then massacred so many
> > children and women, Brutal Animal! Why is the Nanking rape thing so
> > big deal to you while you had massacred more Japanese?
>
> Again, it was the Americans nuked you. Not the Chinese. And as I've
> said before, I support the bombings 100%. I even named my Dog "Enola
> Gay" after the airplane that nuked Japan.
Mr. Brutal Devil, the Chinese are the cruel animals that nuked us. And
that's why you support it. Of course, your former great leader Sho Kai
Seki positively encouraged Truman to do it because he is a brutal
Chinese.
> > Ishihara is an exception. He is a dumb stupid racist who is possibly a
> > Korean descendant or a Burakumin. Our Tokyojaps are so stupid
> > countrymen so they don't know what the hell they are doing. But the
> > rest of the Japanese, especially Kansaijin are not like Ishihara. We
> > don't like him.
>
>
> Wow. I'm surprised a racist like yourself doesn't support Ishihara.
The Chinese always blame someone telling the truth as a racist. Is
that a communist's way of hiding and distorting the truth?
> My question is why? You and Ishihara are twins separated at birth:
Nope, Ishihara is a Tokyojap. And he is a completely different type of
person.
> You both are anti-Chinese. You both deny the atroctities Japan
> committed. You both try to justify Japan's aggression. You both are
> racists.
I don't deny the atrocities that our Tokyo bastards did, but the
Chinese had acted the atrocities to the Japanese civilians MORE. You
communists have been executing so many Japanese blooded people in
China even decades after the WW2.
> > But anyway, the Chinese are the brutal animals who had massacred
> > millions of us, and who had run over and killed your own youths.
>
> Correction: The Chinese were defenders of their country. The Japaense
> were invaders and brutal invaders for that matter.
The Chinese have been still invading and occupying Manchuria as their
Northeastern part of China.
Kaz
Chinese are Brutal-Devils.
ircirc <ircirc> wrote in message news:<f6k3jv8qf4528q5c9...@4ax.com>...
Xiao Li
> Sho Kai Seki was certainly agreeing the Truman's idea of nuking those
> cities. He surely signed on the written agreement of nuking them. If
> Sho Kai Seki didn't sign it, Truman did not nuke them. So don't try to
> flee from the responsibility. Don't pass the buck to Americans only.
> You Chinese are exactly ones who should be blamed.
Just because CHIANG Kai Shek agreed with Truman doesn't mean he is
solely responsible. It's still the Americans who built the bomb and
actually dropped it.
> Of course you are glad to slaughter the Japanese because you are such
> bloody Brutal-Devil animal called Chinese.
No, I am glad not because I am a cold-blooded animal, but because the
Japanese deserved to be punished for the crimes against my people.
And I am glad that they were punished.
> Again, Liar! All those Japanese in the continent rushed to get back to
> Japan from Manchuria and China immediately after the surrender. Many
> of them even had to leave their children in Manchuria because dirty
> Russians were coming to hunt the Japanese so close, and they didn't
> have enough time to escape with their children. So how could they ever
> abuse those POWs huh?
> Please stop telling a lie in public.
Yes, but before they rushed back, they were so upset and disillusioned
at their loss, they took out their aggression on the Chinese and POWs
by blindly slaughtering them. Truly sick animals, I know.
> Manchuria is not China. Manchurians are not the Chinese. Manchurians
> have a different culture, language and character, They are much close
> to Koreans or Mongolians. They are far from the Han-Chinese. It's not
> any northeastern part of China, it's Manchuria. So Chinese invaded
> Manchuria and you are squatting in Manchuria now.
There is partial truth to that. Manchurians are originally not
Chinese. The only reason Manchuria is part of China is because THE
MANCHURIANS INVADED CHINA IN THE 16TH CENTURY. After the Manchurians
invaded, they became "Chinese" in the process of ruling China. There
are hardly any pure-blooded Manchurians today, most are mixed with
Han. And I have met Manchurians before and they are all proud to be
Chinese.
> I don't think the Japanese were molesting any Chinese child like you
> nuked and killed so many of Japanese innocent children and women.
The Japanese did not molest children but they did rape a lot of women.
And they did kill a lot of children. Again, the US nuked Japan, we
Chinese only "agreed" with the US.
> The Chinese always blame someone telling the truth as a racist. Is
> that a communist's way of hiding and distorting the truth?
I accuse you of being a racist because you claim that all Chinese are
brutal animals.
> I don't deny the atrocities that our Tokyo bastards did, but the
> Chinese had acted the atrocities to the Japanese civilians MORE. You
> communists have been executing so many Japanese blooded people in
> China even decades after the WW2.
Umm... Didn't you just say that all the Japanese fled China after WW2?
If so, then how could the Communist Chinese kill the Japanese?
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Kaz
> k...@ivebeenframed.com (Kaz) wrote in message
>
> > Sho Kai Seki was certainly agreeing the Truman's idea of nuking those
> > cities. He surely signed on the written agreement of nuking them. If
> > Sho Kai Seki didn't sign it, Truman did not nuke them. So don't try to
> > flee from the responsibility. Don't pass the buck to Americans only.
> > You Chinese are exactly ones who should be blamed.
>
> Just because CHIANG Kai Shek agreed with Truman doesn't mean he is
> solely responsible. It's still the Americans who built the bomb and
> actually dropped it.
Truman was waiting for Sho Kai Seki's agreement. Because Sha Kai Seki
agreed it, Truman nuked innocent people for their bloody desire. So he
is responsible.
> > Of course you are glad to slaughter the Japanese because you are such
> > bloody Brutal-Devil animal called Chinese.
>
> No, I am glad not because I am a cold-blooded animal, but because the
> Japanese deserved to be punished for the crimes against my people.
> And I am glad that they were punished.
All those things were acted by imperial Tokyo bastards. Ordinary
Japanese have nothing to do with such Nanking things. Well, the
Chinese deserve to be treated so because they had been invading
Manchuria then abusing Manchurians as second class people of their
dependency as well as Korea. Bloody ethnocentric Chinese imperialists
got upset about the Japanese because the Japanese tried to free
Manchuria from dumb egoistic and ethnocentric Han-Chinese Empire, then
built the independent nation of Manchuria.
> > Again, Liar! All those Japanese in the continent rushed to get back to
> > Japan from Manchuria and China immediately after the surrender. Many
> > of them even had to leave their children in Manchuria because dirty
> > Russians were coming to hunt the Japanese so close, and they didn't
> > have enough time to escape with their children. So how could they ever
> > abuse those POWs huh?
> > Please stop telling a lie in public.
>
> Yes, but before they rushed back, they were so upset and disillusioned
> at their loss, they took out their aggression on the Chinese and POWs
> by blindly slaughtering them. Truly sick animals, I know.
This is a communist's fabrication. Again, they had no time to
slaughter them. It's true that the Japanese forced Manchurians to
speak Japanese, but they never abused them like Chinese communists
fabricate for their propaganda.
Japanese had built all those railroads in Manchuria for the
development of it, and it would have helped Manchuria a lot. To make
those works of development done by the Japanese smooth, Manchuria's
language needed to be Japanese.
> > Manchuria is not China. Manchurians are not the Chinese. Manchurians
> > have a different culture, language and character, They are much close
> > to Koreans or Mongolians. They are far from the Han-Chinese. It's not
> > any northeastern part of China, it's Manchuria. So Chinese invaded
> > Manchuria and you are squatting in Manchuria now.
>
> There is partial truth to that. Manchurians are originally not
> Chinese.
Then, why do you force Manchurians to speak Chinese? Why are the
Chinese occupying there?
> The only reason Manchuria is part of China is because THE
> MANCHURIANS INVADED CHINA IN THE 16TH CENTURY. After the Manchurians
> invaded, they became "Chinese" in the process of ruling China. There
> are hardly any pure-blooded Manchurians today, most are mixed with
> Han.
Because bloody Han-Chinese-supremacists had raped many Manchurians?
Anyway, why would such an incident in the 16th century matter to the
Chinese? Most Europe used to be the Roman Empire, but today, most
ethnics have their own countries. Why do Chinese imperialists still
want to combine every surrounding nation that used to be Chinese
Empire's dependencies? Is that communist's principle of superiority?
Like the Soviet Union used to be forcibly combining all those nations
surrounding Russia? Also I think the China Communist Empire must
release western regions of China which belong to Islamic world. God!
communists are so ugly. They had tied up with White supremacists, and
then nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki then massacred a lot of innocent
children and women for their communist's egoism!!
> And I have met Manchurians before and they are all proud to be
> Chinese.
>
>
> > I don't think the Japanese were molesting any Chinese child like you
> > nuked and killed so many of Japanese innocent children and women.
>
> The Japanese did not molest children but they did rape a lot of women.
> And they did kill a lot of children. Again, the US nuked Japan, we
Nope, I don't believe such a Chinese propaganda.
> Chinese only "agreed" with the US.
"agreed" means "agreed to massacre innocent children and women"
> > The Chinese always blame someone telling the truth as a racist. Is
> > that a communist's way of hiding and distorting the truth?
>
> I accuse you of being a racist because you claim that all Chinese are
> brutal animals.
Because you are the Chinese who had massacred millions of our people
with White supremacists. And also you Chinese are racists calling all
of us as "brutal devilish Japanese". Why do we have to one-sidedly
obey the Chinese and their subjective point of view? Surely the
Chinese are supremacists who insist the Chinese to rule all the east
Asia. So the Chinese deserved to be called as so.
The Chinese always claim we are "racist" but the DNA of Yayoi Japanese
is almost the same as Han-Chinese's. So how could we be "racists"
against the Chinese? I can tell Koreans from the most of Japanese but
it's hard to tell a Chinese from most of the Japanese because we are
so similar.
> > I don't deny the atrocities that our Tokyo bastards did, but the
> > Chinese had acted the atrocities to the Japanese civilians MORE. You
> > communists have been executing so many Japanese blooded people in
> > China even decades after the WW2.
>
> Umm... Didn't you just say that all the Japanese fled China after WW2?
> If so, then how could the Communist Chinese kill the Japanese?
Not all of them. Children were exceptions. They had to leave their
children when they escape from Manchuria.
Actually, the WW2 had started in 1920 when the Japanese were excluded
and abused by White supremacists in North America, and it's a racial
war for the White supremacists and the Chinese supremacists to
massacre the Japanese who have been labelled as "inferior yellow
monkeies" like the dumb sick White supremacist anthropoid boy is
claiming in here all the time. The Chinese supremacists who have been
extremely despising the Japanese as their practice ever since the
ancient times, and the Chinese who have sick sense of superiority
against the Japanese cooperated to the White supremacists then,
invaded Manchuria and massacred the "yellow monkies".
Jürgen Hubert
Raymond Luxury-Yacht II wrote:
> Japanese business people are so corrupted. They bribe China with a
> loan to give them the bullet train construction contract. Thats not
> fair to French and German competitors.
Eh. It's not as if French and German businessmen were incapable of offering bribes.
In fact, until just a few years ago, bribes paid in foreign countries
were tax-deductable under German law. And the law might have changed,
but I doubt many German businessmen became honest overnight...
--
- Jürgen Hubert
Doing Time in Munich
http://juergen.the-huberts.net/
Military Diaries Part III, or: Bavarian Barkeeper
vernon...@oyama.ca
k...@ivebeenframed.com says...
> Brutal Devil Stedd...@yahoo.com (Xiao Li) wrote in message news:<85ab2228.03080...@posting.google.com>...
> > k...@ivebeenframed.com (Kaz) wrote in message
> >
> > > Sho Kai Seki was certainly agreeing the Truman's idea of nuking those
> > > cities. He surely signed on the written agreement of nuking them. If
> > > Sho Kai Seki didn't sign it, Truman did not nuke them. So don't try to
> > > flee from the responsibility. Don't pass the buck to Americans only.
> > > You Chinese are exactly ones who should be blamed.
> >
> > Just because CHIANG Kai Shek agreed with Truman doesn't mean he is
> > solely responsible. It's still the Americans who built the bomb and
> > actually dropped it.
>
> Truman was waiting for Sho Kai Seki's agreement. Because Sha Kai Seki
> agreed it, Truman nuked innocent people for their bloody desire. So he
> is responsible.
>
> > > Of course you are glad to slaughter the Japanese because you are such
> > > bloody Brutal-Devil animal called Chinese.
> >
> > No, I am glad not because I am a cold-blooded animal, but because the
> > Japanese deserved to be punished for the crimes against my people.
> > And I am glad that they were punished.
>
> All those things were acted by imperial Tokyo bastards. Ordinary
> Japanese have nothing to do with such Nanking things.
Hmm. Does the same principal hold for people of other nations? For
example, were ordinary Germans responsible for concentration camps?
Were ordinary Americans responsible for Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Were
ordinary Canadians responsible for the abuse you suffered?
The answer is the same for all of them: NO, they were not responsible.
It's time you started applying the same kind of logic to others as you
do to yourself.
snipped
> >
> > I accuse you of being a racist because you claim that all Chinese are
> > brutal animals.
>
> Because you are the Chinese who had massacred millions of our people
> with White supremacists. And also you Chinese are racists calling all
> of us as "brutal devilish Japanese". Why do we have to one-sidedly
> obey the Chinese and their subjective point of view? Surely the
> Chinese are supremacists who insist the Chinese to rule all the east
> Asia. So the Chinese deserved to be called as so.
What a lapse of logic! Above, you agree that ordinary Japanese were not
responsible for Nanking. Now, just a few paragraphs below, all Chinese
are brutal animals who massacred millions with white supremacists.
So which is it, Kaz? Are ordinary people who had nothing to do with a
particular decision responsible for it, or not? You're taking both
sides of the argument! When it suits your purposes, ordinary Japanese
aren't responsible. But when it suits your racist purposes, ordinary
Chinese ARE responsible.
Which is it, Kaz???
>
> The Chinese always claim we are "racist" but the DNA of Yayoi Japanese
> is almost the same as Han-Chinese's. So how could we be "racists"
> against the Chinese? I can tell Koreans from the most of Japanese but
> it's hard to tell a Chinese from most of the Japanese because we are
> so similar.
You should know! You are racist against some Japanese--those who are
able to get along in the world, and who have adopted some western ways.
I hate your racism. I will continue to call attention to your illogical
and racist stereotyping and your intellectual dishonesty.
Verno
shuji matsuda
Stedd...@yahoo.com (Xiao Li) wrote:
:Besides, a LOAN isn't a gift. It's agreement
:whereby the borrower has to repay the principle plus accumulated
:interests.
It is high time for Japan to stop giving "loans" to PRC, and just
start receiving the money they owe us, IMO.
shuji matsuda
:It is the Japanese who hate us.
Probably, the nationalist alliance of Chinese, or whatever group
with your sinocentrism agenda will be hated by everybody, not only
by the Japanese. Most Japanese do not hate the Chinese in general.
They are indifferent to them. If one is not living in big cities,
how many Chinese one sees every day after all? None.
:When was the last time you heard a
:Chinese public official assail racist remarks against the Japanese?
Every Chinese official has claimed that they have the right to tell
the Japanese who they remember.
:Imperial Communist? Are you an idiot? One of the core doctrines of
:Communism is to condemn imperialism. Geez, you are really dumb.
Chinese communism is different from communism written in Marx-Lenin
textbooks in that it really is not a political party, but a syndicate of
power. When PRC is diving into capitalist economy, why is there the need of
"communism" any way? They do not have the reason d'etre other than provoking
the nationalist agenda. Chinese as ethnic entity, China as a Chinese
nation. The best tool for the propaganda is Nanjing Massacre and all
the heinous IJA deeds along the line. This can be validated by the fact
that PRC communist party did not complain anything during cultural
revolution: they were more concerned about supporting underground JCP
military activity (for example, Peking Organization), and overthrowing
the Japanese government. Now that the situations have changed, and
CCP needs some new target. That is why all these propaganda serve the
purpose of Chinese communist party: holding the power.
Xiao Li
> Probably, the nationalist alliance of Chinese, or whatever group
> with your sinocentrism agenda will be hated by everybody, not only
> by the Japanese.
www.ChineseNationalistAlliance.org is aimed at promoting pride and
unity amongst Chinese. Unlike Rightwing Japanese, we try to harness
pride without trambling on others. No one has any reason to hate us.
> Every Chinese official has claimed that they have the right to tell
> the Japanese who they remember.
What? Feel free to start making sense anytime.
> Chinese communism is different from communism written in Marx-Lenin
> textbooks in that it really is not a political party, but a syndicate of
> power. When PRC is diving into capitalist economy, why is there the need of
> "communism" any way?
The PRC is diving into Capitalism because a market economy is more
efficient. Anyways, you're barking up the wrong tree since I'm not a
Communist, but a Nationalist.
>They do not have the reason d'etre other than provoking
> the nationalist agenda. Chinese as ethnic entity, China as a Chinese
> nation. The best tool for the propaganda is Nanjing Massacre and all
> the heinous IJA deeds along the line. This can be validated by the fact
> that PRC communist party did not complain anything during cultural
> revolution: they were more concerned about supporting underground JCP
> military activity (for example, Peking Organization), and overthrowing
> the Japanese government. Now that the situations have changed, and
> CCP needs some new target. That is why all these propaganda serve the
> purpose of Chinese communist party: holding the power.
Former Chinese President Jiang Zemin and Premier Zhu Rong Ji were both
victims of the Cultural Revolution. Practically every Chinese
(including high ranking officials) knows the Cultura Revolution was
wrong. There is nothing to discuss any further. However, the
Japanese atrocities needs discussion because many Japanese are
ignorant or in denial of them. It's as simple as that.
I've never heard of the CCP trying to overthrow the Japanese
government. I think you're just being delusional or silly.
Sure the CCP wants to hold onto power. I mean, doesn't EVERY
government in the world want to hold onto its power?
klmok
Update) wrote:
>
>China is expected to decide around this fall whether to use the
>Japanese, French or German high-speed railway system, and Tokyo is
>hoping the provision of the concessionary loan will be favorable to
>Japan, the sources said. (Kyodo News)
The current issue of IEEE Spectrum has an article on Meglev trains and
high speed trains. This is a professional journal for electrical
engineers and therefore contains an authorative report of the
engineering and economics of each transportation system. I was
surprised that the Meglev is actually cheaper to operate over medium
distances than any other mass transit system. There are other factors
of course. I'll have to make a copy of this article.