JAP government to ask 3 ex-hostages to cover costs.
min10012
http://news.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=1&id=295508
JAP government will ask 3 Jap hostages freed in Iraq to pay some for
the costs it took to rescue them.
For plane costs, medical checkups costs etc.
Amor...@aol.com
Why is everyone in Japan so pissed at those hostages? Is it because
they felt they were stupid to go to a warzone? I read some Japanese
think the whole kidnapping was a hoax, because they were left wing
activists. What does everyone here think?
Declan Murphy
Shirley you aren't suggesting that posters here think?
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them.
TOKYO — Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi criticized two of the three
freed Japanese hostages Friday for remarking shortly after their
release on Thursday that they want to continue working in Iraq, urging
them to "have some sense."
Other lawmakers and senior government officials also reacted angrily
to their remarks, given the government's repeated advice to stay out
of the county, with some lawmakers even starting to consider creating
a new law to ban travel to designated countries.
Sryn
news:9218a0e.04042...@posting.google.com...
This is an interesting article on this issue.
http://www.japaninc.net/newsletters/index.html?list=jin
Sryn
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Murgi
> they felt they were stupid to go to a warzone? I read some Japanese
> think the whole kidnapping was a hoax, because they were left wing
> activists. What does everyone here think?
Because MY tax money was being used to get them out. They were all pretty
much one-man(woman) "NGOs" who were not sent by anybody. The photographer
was on a freelance mission and not employee of Asahi. He wanted to get the
picture of the year to gain fame and recognition...
The young guy wanted to "study" about depleted uranium since he studied
rocket science at his high school. At least 2 of the 3 were no "aid
workers"!
I would have asked them to pay 1.9 million each...
John W.
The way I heard the story, there were a couple of Web sites associated
with these individuals that proudly announced that they were kidnapped,
and evidently some sites alluded to this being part of a larger plan by
some groups in Japan and Iraq. Personally I'm skeptical that it would be
that easy to plan such a hoax, particularly with no real objective. But
the link another person posted to the interpretation of the unseen video
footage certainly feeds into the conspiracy theory.
As to why Japanese are mad beyond the conspiracy (which I'm not too sure
is widely known/understood), I'd probably better keep my mouth shut on that.
John W.
FreddieM
There was always some suspicion that it was a staged "hoax" kidnapping
because of the activities these hostages were involved in earlier.
But from I could tell, what really got the Japanese public pissed was the
behavior and attutude of some of the relatives, mostly the younger brother
and sister
of the 34 year old woman. There were all over the TV blaming the govt,
foreign policy,
the USA, the prime minister, the SDF...basically everyone except the
kindnappers.
Then they demanded that the JP govt abide by the kidnappers demands and pull
what
few troops they have in Iraq out. Alot of viwers thought they were being
pretty self centered
expecting the country to do absolutely everything for these hostages,
particularly when
the JP govt had issed warnings 13 times in 2004 for JP nationalsa not to go
into Iraq.
The behavior of the relatives was so bad that the mother of the 34 year
hostage apologized
for her son and daughters behavior on TV. Looks like public sentiment has
not been
with the released hostages ever since, paricularly as there have been some
"indicators"
that maybe the 3 hostages were in fact in on some plot with the kidnappers.
Darwin
> I just read this. Now I understand why the Japanese are so angry at
> them.
It's old news.
They said they would stay in Iraq the very day they were released.
And they are not alone on this - The Chinese, the Russians and the
Palestinan, among others, also choosed to remain in Iraq - I'm begining to
think thet the rebel hospitality may not be that bad, after all. :)
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[..]
> I would have asked them to pay 1.9 million each...
Why?
They were in Iraq at their own risk, the Japanese government also acted on
their own making all that fuss about the hostage, and after all it seems
they (the Government)had nothing to do with their release, apart from
offering large sums of money to the kidnapers, who allegedly refused them.
I would not pay a penny to the Japanese Government, if I were the hostages.
Darwin
> <Amor...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:9218a0e.04042...@posting.google.com...
>> min1...@yahoo.com (min10012) wrote in message
> news:<4b73f353.04041...@posting.google.com>..
>> > Gov't to ask 3 ex-hostages to cover some costs
>> > http://news.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=1&id=295508
>> >
>> > JAP government will ask 3 Jap hostages freed in Iraq to pay some for
>> > the costs it took to rescue them.
>> >
>> > For plane costs, medical checkups costs etc.
>>
>> Why is everyone in Japan so pissed at those hostages? Is it because
>> they felt they were stupid to go to a warzone? I read some Japanese
>> think the whole kidnapping was a hoax, because they were left wing
>> activists. What does everyone here think?
>
> This is an interesting article on this issue.
>
> http://www.japaninc.net/newsletters/index.html?list=jin
The filmed sequence seems to have been staged, however, I doubt the
kidnapping was an hoax.
Other peace activists coming from Falujah were kidnapped too by teh
insurgents (Jo Wilding & Co) and they were well treated and released the
next day without being harmed, and that kidnapping certainly wasn't an
hoax.
I suppose the 3 Japanese really were kidnapped against their will, but
then mantained cordial relations with the insurgents and agreed with
staging the scene.
MAC USN Retired
wrote:
The Japanese government should kill the 3 bastards and be done with
them.
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our fighting forces in harms way.
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<retiredno...@alltel.net> brought down from the Mount tablets
inscribed:
>The Japanese government should kill the 3 bastards and be done with
>them.
Yes, arbitrary and capricious lawless behavior on the part of
governments is a good idea. Nice thinking.
--
Michael Cash
"I am sorry, Mr. Cash, but we are unable to accept your rap sheet in lieu of
a high school transcript."
Dr. Howard Sprague
Dean of Admissions
Mount Pilot College
Gerry
Retired <retiredno...@alltel.net> wrote:
> The Japanese government should kill the 3 bastards and be done with
> them.
So you would have been in accord with the terrorists, had the hostages
been killed. Any other civilians you think should be kidnapped and/or
murdered?
--
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care about the swing districts. Then they complain about voter apathy.
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MAC USN Retired
wrote:
>On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:45:56 -0500, MAC USN Retired
><retiredno...@alltel.net> brought down from the Mount tablets
>inscribed:
>
>
>>The Japanese government should kill the 3 bastards and be done with
>>them.
>
>
>Yes, arbitrary and capricious lawless behavior on the part of
>governments is a good idea. Nice thinking.
When they do stupid shit, sure why not.
MAC USN Retired
wrote:
>In article <gfls80dffo663gkfd...@4ax.com>, MAC USN
>Retired <retiredno...@alltel.net> wrote:
>
>> The Japanese government should kill the 3 bastards and be done with
>> them.
>
>So you would have been in accord with the terrorists, had the hostages
>been killed. Any other civilians you think should be kidnapped and/or
>murdered?
Word out is they weren't really hostages. Stupid peaceniks trying to
cause trouble. Small wonder almost all of Japan hates their ass.
Joseph Irwin
"MAC USN Retired" <retiredno...@alltel.net> wrote in message
news:kcvs809nhfs85qpm1...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:12:04 -0700, Gerry <222...@spam.really.sucks>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <gfls80dffo663gkfd...@4ax.com>, MAC USN
> >Retired <retiredno...@alltel.net> wrote:
> >
> >> The Japanese government should kill the 3 bastards and be done with
> >> them.
> >
> >So you would have been in accord with the terrorists, had the hostages
> >been killed. Any other civilians you think should be kidnapped and/or
> >murdered?
>
> Word out is they weren't really hostages. Stupid peaceniks trying to
> cause trouble. Small wonder almost all of Japan hates their ass.
Yeah, 'cuz everyone knows peace is bad. Go War! Fight! Kill!
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> God bless our country, our President and especially
> our fighting forces in harms way.
>
Joseph
Gerry
Retired <retiredno...@alltel.net> wrote:
> >> The Japanese government should kill the 3 bastards and be done with
> >> them.
> >
> >So you would have been in accord with the terrorists, had the hostages
> >been killed. Any other civilians you think should be kidnapped and/or
> >murdered?
>
> Word out is they weren't really hostages. Stupid peaceniks trying to
> cause trouble. Small wonder almost all of Japan hates their ass.
Which authoritative right-wing think tank or fascist talk show gave us
the "truth" about this....?
mtfe...@netmapsonscape.net
> On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 22:39:50 +0900, Michael Cash <bugg...@fake.com>
> wrote:
>>>The Japanese government should kill the 3 bastards and be done with
>>>them.
>>Yes, arbitrary and capricious lawless behavior on the part of
>>governments is a good idea. Nice thinking.
> When they do stupid shit, sure why not.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Like advocating killing for arbitrary reasons?
Mike
Murgi
"Darwin" <darwin...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 08:58:41 GMT, Murgi <srin...@da2.so-net.ne.jp> wrote:
>
> [..]
> > I would have asked them to pay 1.9 million each...
>
> Why?
> They were in Iraq at their own risk, the Japanese government also acted on
> their own making all that fuss about the hostage, and after all it seems
> they (the Government)had nothing to do with their release, apart from
> offering large sums of money to the kidnapers, who allegedly refused them.
Well, nobody outside the inner circle of the government knows about the real
facts...
The cost is for airfare from Dubai to Tokyo and a chartered airplane from
Iraq to Dubai. These flights are charged according to the high IATA set
prices.
> I would not pay a penny to the Japanese Government, if I were the
hostages.
Of course, you may refuse, get a lawyer, and end up paying more than the
goverment asks for. After all the government's lawyers are "free", and they
have the stamina to outlast your financial resources.
The entire "rescue operation" - even without paying anything to the hostage
takers - has cost the taxpayer much more than the 1.9 million. The vice
foreign minister went there ina chartered plane or a commercial airliner
with First Class treat. He and some of his top brass don't stay in 5th class
hotels, etc.
The government should have asked the relatives of the three whether they
were ready to sholder the costs for bringing them back right away. I'd bet
that they would have agreed. Why should "I" pay for it... even if it is just
one single yen from my tac money?
Sigi
Darwin
[..]
> The government should have asked the relatives of the three whether they
> were ready to sholder the costs for bringing them back right away. I'd
> bet
> that they would have agreed. Why should "I" pay for it... even if it is
> just
> one single yen from my tac money?
Since the government didn't asked anybody and did it all on their own, I
mantain that nobody should pay them a penny.
You can't attempt to save me and later make me pay for that, it just does
not work that way.
Darwin
<retiredno...@alltel.net> wrote:
[..]
> Word out is they weren't really hostages. Stupid peaceniks trying to
> cause trouble. Small wonder almost all of Japan hates their ass.
And since when "word out" is a reliable source of anything?
Murgi
> mantain that nobody should pay them a penny.
Who should the government ask when such a thing happens? The opposition?
The hostages were not accessible...
Assume that you are in a traffic accident and unconscious. The hospital
can't wait to ask you whether it is OK to amputate your leg if it is
urgently requires, and whether you are willing to pay for their services.
You may argue later on and fight for your right.
I remember a case in Europe where cave explorers were trapped by high
waters. They had to pay a hefty bill for governmental rescue efforts since
they had ignored bad weather conditions. After they were asked to shoulder
the costs, they said that they hadn't been asked whether they wanted to be
resucued...
In the end the had to pay!
> You can't attempt to save me and later make me pay for that, it just does
> not work that way.
No, no... there is a duty to save people, but it depends on the situation on
how they get into trouble. Some things aren't covered by unsurance
companies, and if the are, you may still end up with souldering some of the
costs.
Sigi
Murgi
> > cause trouble. Small wonder almost all of Japan hates their ass.
>
> And since when "word out" is a reliable source of anything?
>
Here I fully agree with you. On the other hand I don't believe anything the
government says either.
Sigi
Darwin
There's nothing like hearing both sides and making our own judgement of
what the "truth" may be.
Darwin
[..]
> In the end the had to pay!
Yes, that happened recently here in this island, when 2 men went out to
make some canyoning in the mountains without advising their family, who
called the emergency services.
They were fined on 5000 Euros for that adventure, but it was a blatant
irresponsibility to go canyoning without telling anyone about it,
specially when we have had some deaths on that recently, including, sadly,
a cousin of mine.
However I consider this very different from being kidnapped in a dangerous
country where you are with the full knowledge of your family. Both three
are adult men and women, and they don't own anything to the Japanese
Government on respect of their security. When my country - Portugal -
asked their citizens (the great sum of 10) to leave Iraq early this month,
they said that who chooses to stay is there on their own.
I suppose this means that Portugal ceased to have any obligation
whatsoever with them, in case they stay.
In both cases, with or without any obligation, I doubt anyone has to pay
anything for any rescue efforts.
We actually had a case of kidnapping in Iraq last year when a journalist
was captured and another was wounded on their way from Kuwait to Nasyria.
The Portuguese Government provided a jet to get the 3 journalists back to
Portugal, and I never heard they were fined with anything.
I didn't liked the waste on money on those 3 who went in Iraq in such a
plainly irresponsible way, in lavish Mercedes jeeps and without knowing a
word of Arabic or what was going on in the Iraqis highways. Tey just
arrived to Kuwait the day before and decided to go straight ahead with
they irresponsible plans, despite many advices they received from the
British in Basra. Thus they were perfect prey to the Ali Baba.
Despite that I don't blame they from my government waste of money, I blame
my government, and I thing teh Japanese people should do the same.
>> You can't attempt to save me and later make me pay for that, it just
>> does
>> not work that way.
>
>
> No, no... there is a duty to save people, but it depends on the
> situation on
> how they get into trouble. Some things aren't covered by unsurance
> companies, and if the are, you may still end up with souldering some of
> the
> costs.
Yes, it depends on the situation.
On the case of the 2 that went canyoning it was irresponsibility, on my
cousin case it was irresponsibility (she went to the mountains despite the
bad weather advices), on the 3 Portuguese journalists it was
irresponsibility, but I don't find much evidence of such irresponsibility
on the case of the 3 Japanese hostages.
Brett Robson
>
>The Japanese government should kill the 3 bastards and be done with
>them.
>
Anyone who signs themselves 'USN Retired' is a tosser.
>God bless our country, our President and especially
> our fighting forces in harms way.
President should have a lower case p, and harms should have an apostrophe.
.
----
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They have a fight,
Triangle wins.
mtfe...@netmapsonscape.net
> On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:45:56 -0500, MAC USN Retired ...
>>
>>The Japanese government should kill the 3 bastards and be done with
>>them.
> Anyone who signs themselves 'USN Retired' is a tosser.
What's wrong with Union Sanctioned Nurses?
Mike
Murgi
> > our fighting forces in harms way.
>
>
> President should have a lower case p, and harms should have an apostrophe.
>
>
I wonder where this hillbilly comes from...:-)
Brett Robson
Don't know. But I know two ex-sailors and they are quit literate so that's no
excuse.
Eric Takabayashi
> Why should "I" pay for it...
Because we are in Japan, and the Japanese government decided to do it.
> even if it is just one single yen from my tac money?
Because the government spends over 82 trillion yen per year, it is highly
unlikely that a single yen has been spent "from" anyone on this group during
this operation.
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<gtg...@mail.gatech.edu> wrote:
>
>"MAC USN Retired" <retiredno...@alltel.net> wrote in message
>news:kcvs809nhfs85qpm1...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:12:04 -0700, Gerry <222...@spam.really.sucks>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <gfls80dffo663gkfd...@4ax.com>, MAC USN
>> >Retired <retiredno...@alltel.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> The Japanese government should kill the 3 bastards and be done with
>> >> them.
>> >
>> >So you would have been in accord with the terrorists, had the hostages
>> >been killed. Any other civilians you think should be kidnapped and/or
>> >murdered?
>>
>> Word out is they weren't really hostages. Stupid peaceniks trying to
>> cause trouble. Small wonder almost all of Japan hates their ass.
>
>Yeah, 'cuz everyone knows peace is bad. Go War! Fight! Kill!
And without killing and war you'd be living either under Stalin or
Hitler or Tojo. Enjoy.
MAC USN Retired
wrote:
>> > Word out is they weren't really hostages. Stupid peaceniks trying to
Always take anything a government says with a grain of salt.
MAC USN Retired
>On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:45:56 -0500, MAC USN Retired ...
>>
>>The Japanese government should kill the 3 bastards and be done with
>>them.
>>
>
>Anyone who signs themselves 'USN Retired' is a tosser.
Whats wrong, you fail the ASVAB and couldn't get in. Losser.
>
>
>>God bless our country, our President and especially
>> our fighting forces in harms way.
>
>
>President should have a lower case p, and harms should have an apostrophe.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>.
>
>----
>Triangle Man hates Person Man
>They have a fight,
>Triangle wins.
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MAC USN Retired
>On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 04:48:49 GMT, Murgi ...
>>
>>> >God bless our country, our President and especially
>>> > our fighting forces in harms way.
>>>
>>>
>>> President should have a lower case p, and harms should have an apostrophe.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I wonder where this hillbilly comes from...:-)
>>
>>
>
>
>Don't know. But I know two ex-sailors and they are quit literate so that's no
>excuse.
Spelling and grammar flames on use net, last gasp of the losing side
of an argument.
Admit defeat and move on.
--
Joseph Irwin
> <snipped>
>
> And without killing and war you'd be living either under Stalin or
> Hitler or Tojo. Enjoy.
A distinct possibility. That still doesn't alter the fact that you were
attempting
to cast aspersions on someone's character by calling them a peace-lover. It
just baffles me that some people can take a word like peace, to which I can
think
of no negative connotation, and turn it into a bad word. The question of the
necessity of war in order to defend against an agressor doesn't even enter
into it.
When you call someone a "peacenik," you make it sound as if you think war
should be glorified, when it is actually something that should be avoided
whenever
possible.
> <snipped>
Joseph
Michael Cash
>On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 16:20:04 -0400, "Joseph Irwin"
><gtg...@mail.gatech.edu> wrote:
>
>>
>>"MAC USN Retired" <retiredno...@alltel.net> wrote in message
>>news:kcvs809nhfs85qpm1...@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:12:04 -0700, Gerry <222...@spam.really.sucks>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >In article <gfls80dffo663gkfd...@4ax.com>, MAC USN
>>> >Retired <retiredno...@alltel.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> The Japanese government should kill the 3 bastards and be done with
>>> >> them.
>>> >
>>> >So you would have been in accord with the terrorists, had the hostages
>>> >been killed. Any other civilians you think should be kidnapped and/or
>>> >murdered?
>>>
>>> Word out is they weren't really hostages. Stupid peaceniks trying to
>>> cause trouble. Small wonder almost all of Japan hates their ass.
>>
>>Yeah, 'cuz everyone knows peace is bad. Go War! Fight! Kill!
>
>And without killing and war you'd be living either under Stalin or
>Hitler or Tojo. Enjoy.
You mean that Stalin, Hitler, or Tojo would have invaded America
without killing and war? Interesting. Maybe we could learn something
from those guys after all. We sure as hell ain't learning nothing from
you.
Michael Cash
>On 27 Apr 2004 19:55:34 -0700, Brett Robson <jet...@deja.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:45:56 -0500, MAC USN Retired ...
>>>
>>>The Japanese government should kill the 3 bastards and be done with
>>>them.
>>>
>>
>>Anyone who signs themselves 'USN Retired' is a tosser.
>
>Whats wrong, you fail the ASVAB and couldn't get in. Losser.
Hey, Chief Dumbass.....Brett's Austrian. They don't take the ASVAB.
And the military has a reputation for taking anybody with a pulse, by
the way.
Declan Murphy
> On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 07:56:48 -0500, MAC USN Retired
> <retiredno...@alltel.net> brought down from the Mount tablets
> inscribed:
>
>>On 27 Apr 2004 19:55:34 -0700, Brett Robson <jet...@deja.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:45:56 -0500, MAC USN Retired ...
>>>
>>>>The Japanese government should kill the 3 bastards and be done with
>>>>them.
>>>>
>>>Anyone who signs themselves 'USN Retired' is a tosser.
>>
>>Whats wrong, you fail the ASVAB and couldn't get in. Losser.
>
> Hey, Chief Dumbass.....Brett's Austrian. They don't take the ASVAB.
I had to google "ASVAB". What I don't "get" is why anyone would take it
(or any equivalent for defence forces elsewhere) until after they
decided whether they want a career in the military. First psych testing
I ever did was after signing up, didn't even know I was color blind
until further testing a few weeks later.
> And the military has a reputation for taking anybody with a pulse, by
> the way.
And what is a losser?
--
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me none more of that Old Janx Spirit/ For my head will fly, my tongue
will lie, my eyes will fry and I may die/ Won't you pour me one more of
that sinful Old Janx Spirit"
Michael Cash
brought down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
>On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 00:16:45 GMT, Murgi <srin...@da2.so-net.ne.jp> wrote:
>
>[..]
>> The government should have asked the relatives of the three whether they
>> were ready to sholder the costs for bringing them back right away. I'd
>> bet
>> that they would have agreed. Why should "I" pay for it... even if it is
>> just
>> one single yen from my tac money?
>
>Since the government didn't asked anybody and did it all on their own, I
>mantain that nobody should pay them a penny.
>You can't attempt to save me and later make me pay for that, it just does
>not work that way.
Try going hiking in the mountains in Japan and finding yourself in
need of rescue. They send you a bill. I think it's a damned fine idea.
Michael Cash
<declan...@hotmail.com> brought down from the Mount tablets
inscribed:
>Michael Cash wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 07:56:48 -0500, MAC USN Retired
>> <retiredno...@alltel.net> brought down from the Mount tablets
>> inscribed:
>>
>>>On 27 Apr 2004 19:55:34 -0700, Brett Robson <jet...@deja.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:45:56 -0500, MAC USN Retired ...
>>>>
>>>>>The Japanese government should kill the 3 bastards and be done with
>>>>>them.
>>>>>
>>>>Anyone who signs themselves 'USN Retired' is a tosser.
>>>
>>>Whats wrong, you fail the ASVAB and couldn't get in. Losser.
>>
>> Hey, Chief Dumbass.....Brett's Austrian. They don't take the ASVAB.
>
>I had to google "ASVAB". What I don't "get" is why anyone would take it
>(or any equivalent for defence forces elsewhere) until after they
>decided whether they want a career in the military. First psych testing
>I ever did was after signing up, didn't even know I was color blind
>until further testing a few weeks later.
The best I can figure is that Chief Dumbass, like me, attended a high
school where *everybody* takes the ASVAB. Whether this is the practice
at all high schools in Sepponia, I have no idea. I rather doubt it,
though.
>
>> And the military has a reputation for taking anybody with a pulse, by
>> the way.
>
>And what is a losser?
Typo. He means "looser", of course.
Declan Murphy
> On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 01:18:59 +0100, Darwin <darwin...@spamcop.net>
> brought down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
>
>
>>On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 00:16:45 GMT, Murgi <srin...@da2.so-net.ne.jp> wrote:
>>
>>[..]
>>
>>>The government should have asked the relatives of the three whether they
>>>were ready to sholder the costs for bringing them back right away. I'd
>>>bet
>>>that they would have agreed. Why should "I" pay for it... even if it is
>>>just
>>>one single yen from my tac money?
>>
>>Since the government didn't asked anybody and did it all on their own, I
>>mantain that nobody should pay them a penny.
>>You can't attempt to save me and later make me pay for that, it just does
>>not work that way.
>
> Try going hiking in the mountains in Japan and finding yourself in
> need of rescue. They send you a bill. I think it's a damned fine idea.
The problem being that it is (or as of last summer at least was) a
prefecture by prefecture policy. In more than a few cases in the
northern alps (where the watershed is also the boundary between Gifu and
Nagano prefectures) there have been hikers with injuries/illnesses etc,
who have been picked up and carried by their friends into (or back into)
the cheaper jurisdiction.
But yes its a damn fine idea, and it should be the same with solo yachtsmen.
necoandjeff
news:b9e190l7gg0mmlj76...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 01:18:59 +0100, Darwin <darwin...@spamcop.net>
> brought down from the Mount tablets inscribed:
>
> >On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 00:16:45 GMT, Murgi <srin...@da2.so-net.ne.jp>
wrote:
> >
> >[..]
> >> The government should have asked the relatives of the three whether
they
> >> were ready to sholder the costs for bringing them back right away. I'd
> >> bet
> >> that they would have agreed. Why should "I" pay for it... even if it is
> >> just
> >> one single yen from my tac money?
> >
> >Since the government didn't asked anybody and did it all on their own, I
> >mantain that nobody should pay them a penny.
> >You can't attempt to save me and later make me pay for that, it just does
> >not work that way.
>
> Try going hiking in the mountains in Japan and finding yourself in
> need of rescue. They send you a bill. I think it's a damned fine idea.
Hurl yourself in front of a train and your family gets the bill too. Also a
damn fine idea.
Murgi
a
> damn fine idea.
>
Yes, but have your heard that anybody has ever been sentenced to actually
pay for it. I heard about sums of 5 to 7 million yen...
Brett Robson
>
>On 27 Apr 2004 22:41:19 -0700, Brett Robson <jet...@deja.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 04:48:49 GMT, Murgi ...
>>>
>>>> >God bless our country, our President and especially
>>>> > our fighting forces in harms way.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> President should have a lower case p, and harms should have an apostrophe.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>I wonder where this hillbilly comes from...:-)
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>Don't know. But I know two ex-sailors and they are quit literate so that's no
>>excuse.
>Spelling and grammar flames on use net, last gasp of the losing side
>of an argument.
>
>Admit defeat and move on.
>
It wasn't a flame, you should really get your sig file correct so people don't
know you are a "losser". A friend here corrected mine as I could groak Sepponian
properly.
Brett Robson
>
>On 27 Apr 2004 19:55:34 -0700, Brett Robson <jet...@deja.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:45:56 -0500, MAC USN Retired ...
>>>
>>>The Japanese government should kill the 3 bastards and be done with
>>>them.
>>>
>>
>>Anyone who signs themselves 'USN Retired' is a tosser.
>
>Whats wrong, you fail the ASVAB and couldn't get in. Losser.
>
I think you'll find "sir" is the correct way to address me.