Why Koreans hate Japanese
Piccolo
japanese, I(an american) am a neutral source free of bias.
Japan denies, Korea accuses. Korea, however, is correct in being angry
at japan in my opinion. Let me list simple facts to support my thesis
that japan should apologize for agression towards korea.
Did you know that:
In the last THOUSAND years, japan has invaded korea TWICE! That's a
lot, even more than most koreans can count.
Japan had no wars with korea in the preceding four centuries, because
the EVIL AGGRESSIVE JAPANESE were plotting how they would invade korea
centuries ahead of time.
That NO MAJOR atrocities were committed in korea in world war two, but
a few thousand comfort women were recruited. Those koreans sure had it
tough!
And worst
That japanese did the worst to korea by ESTABLISHING TRADE with them
for *gasp* SEVERAL CENTURIES.
Clearly the japanese should be punished.
Enoch in You
> I think that in order to properly demonstrate korea's enmity to the
> japanese, I(an american) am a neutral source free of bias.
It seems you are not neutral.
> Japan denies, Korea accuses.
No, they just have two different perspectives on history.
It is Korean history that is totally distorted.
>Korea, however, is correct in being angry
> at japan in my opinion.
No. Korea has absolutely no right to get angry at Japan.
Koreans should get angry at themselves.
>Let me list simple facts to support my thesis
> that japan should apologize for agression towards korea.
Korea should apologize to Japan for unreasonable hatred
toward Japan for thousands of years first.
> Did you know that:
>
> In the last THOUSAND years, japan has invaded korea TWICE! That's a
> lot, even more than most koreans can count.
Just one time. The second time was not invasion. It was annexation.
Incidentally, China invaded Korea numerous times, but Koreans do not
complain about this. It tells me that those Koreans who wrote Korean
history are extremely biased toward China.
> Japan had no wars with korea in the preceding four centuries, because
> the EVIL AGGRESSIVE JAPANESE were plotting how they would invade korea
> centuries ahead of time.
It was always the Koreans who were biased. Stop perverting the truth.
> That NO MAJOR atrocities were committed in korea in world war two, but
> a few thousand comfort women were recruited. Those koreans sure had it
> tough!
> And worst
>
> That japanese did the worst to korea by ESTABLISHING TRADE with them
> for *gasp* SEVERAL CENTURIES.
Stupid one. The reason Japan invaded Korea during 16th century is because
Korea stopped all the trade with Japan with absolutely no reason whatsoever,
and out of selfish reason to look good on China.
> Clearly the japanese should be punished.
You will soon realize that it will be the pro-China Koreans like you who
will get punished.
Enoch in You
Supertech
"Enoch in You" <enoch...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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> Korea stopped all the trade with Japan with absolutely no reason
whatsoever,
> and out of selfish reason to look good on China.
>
Who would like to trade with Midgets plundering the southern shore of Korean
peninsula for centuries? Have you ever read the story how general Yi Sung
Gael eliminated those "Awe" pests at the southern shore?
What would you gain from those barbarians?
Didn't your parent ever tell you not to play with those "Sang Nom's kid"
Koreans could have learned having sex in front of public from Japanese. But
this didn't happen.
Do you know why Korean government still prohibit certain Japanese movies and
Cartoons from import?
Because "Wae"s explicit and dirty sexual content and violence deeply
disgusts and undermines Korean's superb morality and dignity.
In ancient times, it would have been much more severe.
They have concluded long time ago, its useless to deal with those filthy
barbarians.
Supertech
They just feel sorry for them.
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Enoch in You
I don't see any difference between you and the chinamen.
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Enoch in You
> news:3yeya.5453$95....@www.newsranger.com...
> > "Piccolo" <piccolog...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:...
> > Stupid one. The reason Japan invaded Korea during 16th century is
because
> > Korea stopped all the trade with Japan with absolutely no reason
> whatsoever,
> > and out of selfish reason to look good on China.
>
> Who would like to trade with Midgets plundering the southern shore of
Korean
> peninsula for centuries? Have you ever read the story how general Yi Sung
> Gael eliminated those "Awe" pests at the southern shore?
No, I've never heard of it, and Korean people like you are really a deep
shit.
> What would you gain from those barbarians?
> Didn't your parent ever tell you not to play with those "Sang Nom's kid"
Superkech, Ssang-nom, came from "Xiang-Nu" which chinese called Huns.
> Koreans could have learned having sex in front of public from Japanese.
But
> this didn't happen.
> Do you know why Korean government still prohibit certain Japanese movies
and
> Cartoons from import?
That's because idiots like you cannot handle it. They are really doing it
for
people like you.
> Because "Wae"s explicit and dirty sexual content and violence deeply
> disgusts and undermines Korean's superb morality and dignity.
Stupid supterkech, it is precisely because of this kind of utterance and
pretentiousness, that the real Koreans came down to Korean penninsula.
To avoid insolent people like you. But obviously such things were not
broadcasted to likes of you.
> In ancient times, it would have been much more severe.
> They have concluded long time ago, its useless to deal with those filthy
> barbarians.
It is usually barbarians who boast their newly civlized custom.
This is why I can clearly tell that your ancestors were probably a new-comer
from barbaric world to the civlized world.
Those people who has long history of civilization do not boast like this.
This is also how I know Chinese are also relatively new-converts to
civilization that Korean ancestors had brought to them.
But not only to the chinese people, they tried to bring people like you
to civilization as well. They just didn't know how you would so much
brag about it, after you taste the civilization.
Kaz
> Clearly the japanese should be punished.
Clearly terrorist who trys to punish the innocent post-war born
Japanese on war charges that are not convinced and proved well should
be punished. The only person who could punish people by that kind of
uncertain charge emerged by ugly Korean's hatred, and maybe by their
plots would have been the dictator Saddam or Kim.
Kyoskyu
> I think that in order to properly demonstrate korea's enmity to the
> japanese, I(an american) am a neutral source free of bias.
>
>
I hope you're saying this with tongue in cheek. If you try applying any
of the Japanese actions to the United States, there would be rataliation.
> In the last THOUSAND years, japan has invaded korea TWICE! That's a lot,
> even more than most koreans can count.
And what do you think would happen if a nation violated the United State's
borders? <sarcasm> I'm sure the United States would realize that once is
an oversight and twice is forgivable. </sarcasm>
> Japan had no wars with korea in the preceding four centuries, because
> the EVIL AGGRESSIVE JAPANESE were plotting how they would invade korea
> centuries ahead of time.
I think you could apply this to the US and Pearl Harbor. Japan did not
have any major aggressions against the USA until Pearl Harbor but one
measly surpise attack caused the US to attack the Japanese, which finally
concluded by the United States dropping two nuclear weapons on Japan.
<sarcasm> How unreasonable. </sarcasm>
> That NO MAJOR atrocities were committed in korea in world war two, but a
> few thousand comfort women were recruited. Those koreans sure had it
> tough!
Once again, let's forcibly "recruit" a few thousand American comfort women
and see how well the United States would react/respond. Let's not also
forget the fact that each of these comfort women were someone's mothers,
sisters, aunts, and nieces.
Rosh
> japanese, I(an american) am a neutral source free of bias.
Ah... Hum. Ok, lets take your word as it is. ;)
>
>
> In the last THOUSAND years, japan has invaded korea TWICE! That's a
> lot, even more than most koreans can count.
If you go over one thousand years, I would not suprise if Japanese or
what it would be
called as Japanese invaded the land what it is called as Korea now
more than twice.
The land of Korea is just a little bit too far away to swim from the
islands of Japan but
its not that awfully far away. Same thing can be said to Korean,
too. There were
quite a lot of Koreans came to Japan and settled down here. At lease,
it is wanrmer
here in winter.
> And worst
>
> That japanese did the worst to korea by ESTABLISHING TRADE with them
> for *gasp* SEVERAL CENTURIES.
>
Hum? Whats wrong with it?
grun...@msn.com
> > I think that in order to properly demonstrate korea's enmity to the
> > japanese, I(an american) am a neutral source free of bias.
>
> It seems you are not neutral.
>
> > Japan denies, Korea accuses.
Show evidence of "why Koreans hate Japanese." That is, why do you
write Koreans hate Japanese? Where is the hatred?
"Enoch in You" <enoch...@somewhere.com> wrote in message news:<3yeya.5453$95....@www.newsranger.com>...
> No, they just have two different perspectives on history.
> It is Korean history that is totally distorted.
Like what, what part of Korean history is distorted?
USA
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To even attempt to make a comparison between a world power like the United
States and
a small colony like Korea is totally idiotic.
Only a moron would even suggest it.
Austin P. So (Hae Jin)
Maybe it would help someone as challenged as you if they were to state
outright that their post is meant to be sarcastic...
Then again...maybe not...
Austin
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Supertech
> "Supertech" <ejo...@austin.rr.com> wrote in message news:
> > "Enoch in You" <enoch...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
> > news:3yeya.5453$95....@www.newsranger.com...
> > > "Piccolo" <piccolog...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:...
> > > Stupid one. The reason Japan invaded Korea during 16th century is
> because
> > > Korea stopped all the trade with Japan with absolutely no reason
> > whatsoever,
> > > and out of selfish reason to look good on China.
> >
> > Who would like to trade with Midgets plundering the southern shore of
> Korean
> > peninsula for centuries? Have you ever read the story how general Yi
Sung
>
> No, I've never heard of it, and Korean people like you are really a deep
> shit.
You don't know a thing about Korean history. Ignorant sslgae ppazin nom.
How can I talk about Korean history like a stupid idiot like you.
Just take any one of the Korean history book that is mentioning about Wae's
plundering records. It happened pretty serious at the end of Koryo dynasty
and also in the middle (1592) and at the end of Chosun dynasty but it
precedes far more frequent at the time of even Shilla.
You don't know a shit about Korean history, ignorant Ssangnom, Eunuch.
Ssangnoms do not read any history books and boast as if he knows a lot. Not
only that, brag about being filthy fucking animals fucking in the middle of
the street. You are one ignorant low life shit.
Humans have dignity and decency that far ahead of any animals and that's
what makes a human being different from animals.
There are enough reasons for Koreans to think Wae's are animals and despise
them.
Who cares if you fuck your wife in your bedroom, but don't do it in the
middle of the street. Ok Idiot Doo Whan?
Why the hell would the police arrest you if you do that in America or in any
of the civilized countries?
But then, who would care if you do that in the middle of Gorillas in a
Safari zoo?
Tze Tze.. Pathetic Idiot..
John Yamamoto-Wilson
> In the last THOUSAND years, japan has invaded korea TWICE! That's a
> lot, even more than most koreans can count...
> Stupid one. The reason Japan invaded Korea during 16th century is because
> Korea stopped all the trade with Japan with absolutely no reason
whatsoever,
> and out of selfish reason to look good on China.
> Who would like to trade with Midgets...
> > Have you ever read the story how general Yi Sung
> > Gael eliminated those "Awe" pests at the southern shore?
>
> No, I've never heard of it, and Korean people like you are really a deep
> shit.
> You are very stupid Doohwan...
> Koreans do not hate Midgets.
>
> They just feel sorry for them...
> Superkech [sic], you are on [sic] incredibly stupid person...
> Clearly terrorist who trys to punish the innocent post-war born
> Japanese on war charges that are not convinced and proved well should
> be punished. The only person who could punish people by that kind of
> uncertain charge emerged by ugly Korean's hatred, and maybe by their
> plots would have been the dictator Saddam or Kim...
> To even attempt to make a comparison between a world power like the United
> States and
> a small colony like Korea is totally idiotic.
> Only a moron would even suggest it...
> The land of Korea is just a little bit too far away to swim from the
> islands of Japan but
> its not that awfully far away.
Ah, at last! The kind of thoughtful, informed analysis of sociopolitical
relations in eastern Asia that I've been looking for for years, with just
that touch of pithy realism that brings it all to life and makes it all so
meaningful.
Sock culture, sock history, get a life in Japan - more strength to your
elbow! (Speaking of which, time to crack out another beer, I think...)
John Yamamoto-Wilson
[rant snipped]
> You are one ignorant low life shit.
[more rant snipped]
> Humans have dignity and decency that far ahead of any animals and that's
> what makes a human being different from animals.
Apparently, no irony was intended.
--
John
http://rarebooksinjapan.com
Kaz
> Koreans do not hate Midgets.
>
> They just feel sorry for them.
This is the proof that the kimchee gooks hate the Japanese.
Enoch in You
When people listen to a stupid statement, they automatically
think, "oh... he/she must be sarcastic."
But These Koreans are not being sarcastic at all,
they are being serious.
And they still don't know how stupid they sound.
"Austin P. So (Hae Jin)" <hae...@netinfo.ubc.ca> wrote in message news:...
Enoch in You
> "Enoch in You" <enoch...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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> > No, they just have two different perspectives on history.
> > It is Korean history that is totally distorted.
>
> Like what, what part of Korean history is distorted?
Japanese Invasion, for one.
Korea, China, and Japan was peacefully doing trade via land
and sea. And ever since Chosun Dynasty, because of Ming Dynasty's
China-centralism policy, the Koreans started treating Japan harsely
to advocate that evil China empire.
If you look at the map, you could easily find that Korea blocking
Japan's trade route, was a suicide and political isolation for Japan.
Korean history, OTOH, records it like Koreans were innocent
angelic figures, who just happened to be attacked by "evil Japanese."
Enoch in You
John Yamamoto-Wilson
> This is the proof that the kimchee gooks hate the Japanese.
No, it just proves how *one person* feels. And what does your reply prove,
except that you feel the same way? Or is "kimchee gook" a term of respect in
your vocabulary?
Haven't you got anything better to do than exchange insults at 4.00 in the
morning (Japan time)? And haven't I got anything better to do than listen to
you? (God, I wish I could get to sleep!)
Kaz
> "Enoch in You" <enoch...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
> news:3yeya.5453$95....@www.newsranger.com...
> > "Piccolo" <piccolog...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:...
> > Stupid one. The reason Japan invaded Korea during 16th century is because
> > Korea stopped all the trade with Japan with absolutely no reason
> whatsoever,
> > and out of selfish reason to look good on China.
> >
>
>
> Who would like to trade with Midgets plundering the southern shore of Korean
> peninsula for centuries? Have you ever read the story how general Yi Sung
> Gael eliminated those "Awe" pests at the southern shore?
They are much better than Huns spreading all kinds of diseases all
over the world.
> What would you gain from those barbarians?
What would you gain from those squint-eyed Huns like you?
> Didn't your parent ever tell you not to play with those "Sang Nom's kid"
>
> Koreans could have learned having sex in front of public from Japanese. But
> this didn't happen.
>
> Do you know why Korean government still prohibit certain Japanese movies and
> Cartoons from import?
>
> Because "Wae"s explicit and dirty sexual content and violence deeply
> disgusts and undermines Korean's superb morality and dignity.
>
> In ancient times, it would have been much more severe.
>
> They have concluded long time ago, its useless to deal with those filthy
> barbarians.
Another proof that dog-eating barbarians hate the Japanese. You don't
have to worry about the Japanese anymore. Soon, the Japanese and the
US will launch troops to your disgusting Kim's land.
John Yamamoto-Wilson
> > They have concluded long time ago, its useless to deal with those filthy
> > barbarians.
Kaz responded:
> Another proof that dog-eating barbarians hate the Japanese.
No, what Supertech says only proves what kind of person *he* is. It doesn't
prove anything at all about what Koreans are like as a whole. And what Kaz
says only proves what kind of person *he* is. It doesn't prove anything at
all about what the Japanese are like as a whole - thank God (in both cases)!
Kaz
> Kaz wrote:
>
> > This is the proof that the kimchee gooks hate the Japanese.
>
> No, it just proves how *one person* feels. And what does your reply prove,
> except that you feel the same way? Or is "kimchee gook" a term of respect in
> your vocabulary?
Just an eye for an eye, a teeth for a teeth. Never mind it. I'm saying
kimchee gooks like him hate the Japanese, not saying that it's the
proof that Koreans hate the Japanese. The term "kimchee gook" refers
to a kind of creature like Supertech, and it doesn't refer to ordinary
Koreans.
> Haven't you got anything better to do than exchange insults at 4.00 in the
> morning (Japan time)? And haven't I got anything better to do than listen to
> you? (God, I wish I could get to sleep!)
Relax and get some sleep.
Coming across Supertech's post and reading it also awoke me.
Superlifer
> These people are being sarcastic.
>
> When people listen to a stupid statement, they automatically
> think, "oh... he/she must be sarcastic."
>
> But These Koreans are not being sarcastic at all,
> they are being serious.
>
> And they still don't know how stupid they sound.
doohwan... if you have any grasp of the real world, and have any kind of
person to person contact, you would know the original post was a sarcastic
post about koreans, but since you're a hermit who lives in a world of his
own, you obviously don't understand it. seriously. are you seeking any kind
of help?
Miap37
facts before pointing self-righteous fingers on others...
Did you know that America (US) has invaded 73 TIMES Latin America
between 1824 and 1994? Do you want to know the death toll of those
invasions? Do you want to know how many civilians have been MURDERED
by American troops in, let's say, Nicaragua, durin Bush Sr mad
administration?
If we were bound to follow your logic, then we Latin Americans should
shot any American only on sight...
And let's better not go in more recent war crimes commited by USA
(like Afghanistan and Iraq Invasions, violating in BOTH cases the
corpus of International law)
I mean, it's true that Japan commited war crimes, but, boy, some
people tend to forget that also Westerners (specially Americans, but
also French in Algeria and their old Asian colonies, or Belgians in
Africa) also did it, and these things are kept in the dark. If we have
to talk about Japanese crimes, we should also talk about the other
criminals and their bloody actions...
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Enoch in You
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I simply got carried away.
But one thing did not change. You are still a moron.
Austin P. So (Hae Jin)
> <grun...@msn.com> wrote in message news:...
> > "Enoch in You" <enoch...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
> news:<3yeya.5453$95....@www.newsranger.com>...
> > > No, they just have two different perspectives on history.
> > > It is Korean history that is totally distorted.
> >
> > Like what, what part of Korean history is distorted?
>
> Japanese Invasion, for one.
Yeah...right Doowhan.
Name me one book you read about the Hideyoshi invasions...
> Korea, China, and Japan was peacefully doing trade via land
> and sea.
Yes they were.
But there were these organized groups that were called "pirates" which
tended to be from coastal prefectures along Japan that the Japanese had a
problem dealing with and did not deal with which had been raiding coastal
areas of Korea and China since the Unified Shilla period.
At first they were pretty benign, but they grew to be a real problem into
the early Chosun period. That is why King Sejong led an expedition to
Tsushima which was the homebase for this pirating activity. Japan had no
central authority to deal with this problem and was probably a lot more
concerned about their "civil" wars.
Eventually trade was restricted not closed. The trading ports of Pusan,
Ginhae and .. the other one ... were closed to all Japanese and now all
trade and diplomacy was allowed through Tsushima.
> And ever since Chosun Dynasty, because of Ming Dynasty's
> China-centralism policy, the Koreans started treating Japan harsely
> to advocate that evil China empire.
> If you look at the map, you could easily find that Korea blocking
> Japan's trade route, was a suicide and political isolation for Japan.
Look Doohwan, at that point Japanese didn't care about trade. They were busy
centralizing power through interclan conflicts. Hideoyoshi, a peasant,
managed to unify the islands where everyone had failed for ~1000 years.
And because of this success, he believed he was destined to conquer China.
He believed it was his birthright. to do this. He sent a letter to the
Korean court and stated that he was on this mission, and if Korea acquiesed,
he would treat them nicely as befits a loyal prefecture.
Chosun refused and he invaded.
And after this was all said and done, Ieyasu (who took over from Hideoyoshi)
apologized to Korea, sent back those people that were kidnapped, except for
those who wanted to stay because life was more bearable there (artisans were
taken care of very well in Japan, even if they were equivalent in ability to
the lowest rung of artisans in Korea at the time), and promised never to
invade again. And Korea reopened Pusan as a trading port and it stayed that
way until Taewongun closed it down in the early mid 1800's.
So all of your arguments are false Doohwan. Sure you can say that Koreans
regarded Japanese as "barbarians", and treated them diplomatically as such.
But Korea never did anything untoward to the Japanese people or chinese
peoples for that matter in its entire history.
Of course, you can try to come up with an example for me...
> Korean history, OTOH, records it like Koreans were innocent
> angelic figures, who just happened to be attacked by "evil Japanese."
Sure Doohwan...taking a balanced viewpoint is not something you are familiar
with, whether it is a discussion of Japanese=Korean historical relations, or
supporting your new messiah dubya.
Austin
Supertech
> <grun...@msn.com> wrote in message news:...
> >
> > Like what, what part of Korean history is distorted?
>
> Japanese Invasion, for one.
> If you look at the map, you could easily find that Korea blocking
> Japan's trade route, was a suicide and political isolation for Japan.
>
> Korean history, OTOH, records it like Koreans were innocent
> angelic figures, who just happened to be attacked by "evil Japanese."
If you wanted a trade route, you should have behaved humbly and properly.
Plundering southern shores of Korean peninsula frequently would not have
improved the situation in favor of your wishes.
Wae was treated properly according to their behavior by Koreans.
Kevin Gowen
Do the gooks hate the TOKYO JAPS or just the true Japanese of the Kinai
civilization?
--
Kevin Gowen
John R. Yamamoto- Wilson
> Do the gooks hate the TOKYO JAPS or just the true Japanese of the Kinai
> civilization?
Nice one, Kevin! Keep that up and I could almost grow to appreciate you!
--
John
http://rarebooksinjapan.com
grun...@msn.com
On a similar note, would you say Poland was on the way of Nazi German
troops march toward USSR? Damn Polish? Maybe, those damned East
Timorese blocking Indonesian troops marching toward ocean? Or is it
damned Tibetans blocking Chinese march toward India Ocean?
Kaz
>
> > This is the proof that the kimchee gooks hate the Japanese.
>
> No, it just proves how *one person* feels. And what does your reply prove,
> except that you feel the same way? Or is "kimchee gook" a term of respect in
> your vocabulary?
Just an eye for an eye, a teeth for a teeth. Never mind it. I'm saying
kimchee gooks like him hate the Japanese, not saying that it's the
proof that Koreans hate the Japanese. The term "kimchee gook" refers
to a kind of creature like Supertech, and it doesn't refer to ordinary
Koreans.
> Haven't you got anything better to do than exchange insults at 4.00 in the
> morning (Japan time)? And haven't I got anything better to do than listen to
> you? (God, I wish I could get to sleep!)
Relax and get some sleep.
Kaz
The gooks are extremely ignorant and their government hides and
distorts every fact about Japan so almost all gooks are not aware of
the difference between Tokyo and Kinai. They, the Hun-Koreans even
hate the Koreans inhabiting in Japan just because they are from the
region Juranamdo, the southern shore area of Korea that was the nation
of Shiragi新羅 in the medieval ages. The Kinai
civilization is the more related to the nation of Shiragi so
Hun-Koreans extremely hate us too.
Supertech
"Kaz" <k...@ivebeenframed.com> wrote in message
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>>
> The gooks are extremely ignorant and their government hides and
> distorts every fact about Japan so almost all gooks are not aware of
> the difference between Tokyo and Kinai. They, the Hun-Koreans even
> hate the Koreans inhabiting in Japan just because they are from the
> region Juranamdo, the southern shore area of Korea that was the nation
> of Shiragi新羅 in the medieval ages. The Kinai
> civilization is the more related to the nation of Shiragi so
> Hun-Koreans extremely hate us too.
Hey Kaz, if you feel close to Koreans more than toward the Tokyo japs, why
not request for the official annexation of your islands to Korea, Koreans
will welcome such a move, if the Tokyo japs do not intervene.
For Koreans, all you japs are the same target since it has been pretty
gruesome in ancient times dealing with those pirate Midgets. They don't care
about any distinctions among japs, if they hear about anything Wae, they
just feel nausia with disgusts.
I'm sure that those JunraDo people could go to Ztusima island just by
following the sea current easily in ancient times.
If you have those myth story about Dangun which is the same as in Korea, as
Eunuch said, you are not a Japanese in any historical sense. You are a
Korean. So you don't have to act like a Jap.
You are not the target of mine or any other Koreans despising Japanese.
By the way, I don't know what this gook business is about, I have nothing to
do with it whatever it is. And I never heard of it.
Talking about Kimchi, what about it? I have seen Kimchi served in many
restaurants in Tokyo at a price like a gold. Have you ever tasted the real
Kimchi that makes your suliva drippling just by looking at it? Once you
taste it, you will not want to miss it whenever you have meals. So what's
the deal of this Kimchi gook thing.
I don't think Hun Koreans hate Junrado people. Junrado people was also a
part of ancient Hun by the way. Their name was Byun Hun. The last president
was from Junrado. You are paranoid about Koreans hating you Kinai people.
But that is far from the truth.
Kaz
Logically you are right, but are you a sympathizer of Kim Jong Il or
something? Or you have been brainwashed by those Hun-Korean
descendants in the commie city Takarazuka? Things you are stating are
somewhat irrelevant. Definitely those Hun-Korenas like Supertech hate
us and are trying to attack us, and definitely most Japanese don't
like those offensive Hun-Koreans like Kim Jong Il or Supertech who
extremely abuse the Japanese and the people in Juranamdo(Shiragi)
Kaz
It's really surprising how could Koreans deny and erase the historical
fact of the invasion against Japan in the medieval era by Hun-Koreans,
while the invasion is well-known as Kamikaze story in Japan.
Hun-Koreans invaded first but they failed to conquer Japan. Since
then, Hun-Koreans had been enemy to the Japanese and Hideyoshi
revenged it.
The only difference is that Hun-Koreans failed to invade and enslave
the Japanese while Hideyoshi succeeded to hit back Korea. Morally
Koreans have no right to blame Hideyoshi's invasion because Koreans
started first.
Kaz
> Kevin Gowen wrote:
>
> > Do the gooks hate the TOKYO JAPS or just the true Japanese of the Kinai
> > civilization?
>
> Nice one, Kevin! Keep that up and I could almost grow to appreciate you!
It's only nice one for you, I think.
Kaz
>
> "Kaz" <k...@ivebeenframed.com> wrote in message
> news:365fcc52.03052...@posting.google.com...
> >>
> > distorts every fact about Japan so almost all gooks are not aware of
> > the difference between Tokyo and Kinai. They, the Hun-Koreans even
> > hate the Koreans inhabiting in Japan just because they are from the
> > region Juranamdo, the southern shore area of Korea that was the nation
> > of Shiragi新羅 in the medieval ages. The Kinai
> > civilization is the more related to the nation of Shiragi so
> > Hun-Koreans extremely hate us too.
>
No way, I never feel those gook barbarians close to me anymore.
Tokyojaps are much more similar to you offensive dirty stinky Hun-gook
barbarians .
> not request for the official annexation of your islands to Korea, Koreans
> will welcome such a move, if the Tokyo japs do not intervene.
Now I found out how you Hun-gooks are ugly retarded barbarians. You
Hun-gooks are merely our former slaves who have a lot of ugly hatred
and inferiority complex against us. I figure out that we should not
treat you deformed Hun-gooks right since you never treat us right.
> For Koreans, all you japs are the same target since it has been pretty
> gruesome in ancient times dealing with those pirate Midgets. They don't care
> about any distinctions among japs, if they hear about anything Wae, they
> just feel nausia with disgusts.
That's fine, Next to Iraq, now we got an official righteousness to
attack your disgusting Hun-gook's land with Mr. Bush.
> I'm sure that those JunraDo people could go to Ztusima island just by
> following the sea current easily in ancient times.
>
> If you have those myth story about Dangun which is the same as in Korea, as
> Eunuch said, you are not a Japanese in any historical sense. You are a
> Korean. So you don't have to act like a Jap.
Fuck off, you less evolved stinking Hun-gook. I don't have any part
of such gook barbarians like you. You should be aware that analyzing
someone as a Hun is a huge slur because that means "you are a
primitive beast with a full of hatred and inferiority complex against
the Japanese like Supertech has".
> You are not the target of mine or any other Koreans despising Japanese.
No matter how you try to attack us, you can't beat the US and Japanese
hi-tech armed forces.
> By the way, I don't know what this gook business is about, I have nothing to
> do with it whatever it is. And I never heard of it.
>
> Talking about Kimchi, what about it? I have seen Kimchi served in many
> restaurants in Tokyo at a price like a gold. Have you ever tasted the real
> Kimchi that makes your suliva drippling just by looking at it? Once you
> taste it, you will not want to miss it whenever you have meals. So what's
> the deal of this Kimchi gook thing.
>
> I don't think Hun Koreans hate Junrado people. Junrado people was also a
> part of ancient Hun by the way. Their name was Byun Hun. The last president
> was from Junrado. You are paranoid about Koreans hating you Kinai people.
> But that is far from the truth.
No, definitely you Hun-Koreans hate and despise your own people in
Juranamdo just like Sadam Hussein abused Kurds. So you Hun-gook land
should be punished.
Enoch in You
> news:Ravya.5579$95....@www.newsranger.com...
> > <grun...@msn.com> wrote in message news:...
> > > "Enoch in You" <enoch...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
> > news:<3yeya.5453$95....@www.newsranger.com>...
> > > > No, they just have two different perspectives on history.
> > > > It is Korean history that is totally distorted.
> > >
> > > Like what, what part of Korean history is distorted?
> >
> > Japanese Invasion, for one.
>
> Yeah...right Doowhan.
>
> Name me one book you read about the Hideyoshi invasions...
>
> > Korea, China, and Japan was peacefully doing trade via land
> > and sea.
>
> Yes they were.
>
> But there were these organized groups that were called "pirates" which
> tended to be from coastal prefectures along Japan that the Japanese had a
> problem dealing with and did not deal with which had been raiding coastal
> areas of Korea and China since the Unified Shilla period.
This has nothing to do with Injin Invasion.
> At first they were pretty benign, but they grew to be a real problem into
> the early Chosun period. That is why King Sejong led an expedition to
> Tsushima which was the homebase for this pirating activity.
I don't remember reading about King Sejong doing this.
I thought it was a Koryo king.
> Japan had no
> central authority to deal with this problem and was probably a lot more
> concerned about their "civil" wars.
> Eventually trade was restricted not closed. The trading ports of Pusan,
> Ginhae and .. the other one ... were closed to all Japanese and now all
> trade and diplomacy was allowed through Tsushima.
I don't think those ports were closed just because of such pirates
activities. It has a lot~ more to do with Chosun's pro-Ming-Dynasty
policy.
> > And ever since Chosun Dynasty, because of Ming Dynasty's
> > China-centralism policy, the Koreans started treating Japan harsely
> > to advocate that evil China empire.
>
> > If you look at the map, you could easily find that Korea blocking
> > Japan's trade route, was a suicide and political isolation for Japan.
>
> Look Doohwan, at that point Japanese didn't care about trade. They were
busy
> centralizing power through interclan conflicts. Hideoyoshi, a peasant,
> managed to unify the islands where everyone had failed for ~1000 years.
Again this is cause and effect problem. What prompted the Japanese to
unite after all? I think it has to do with the fact that Chosun became
a big advocate of Ming's sino-centralism. To the remnant of Kochosun
in Japan, this was probably very unbearable.
> And because of this success, he believed he was destined to conquer China.
> He believed it was his birthright. to do this. He sent a letter to the
> Korean court and stated that he was on this mission, and if Korea
acquiesed,
> he would treat them nicely as befits a loyal prefecture.
Yes, this is because Hideyoshi thought of Chosun as a brotherly nation,
whom they thought would stand up together against Ming-China.
> Chosun refused and he invaded.
A very similar thing happened about 70 years afterwards.
It is Byung-Ja-Ho-Ran, by then the new chinese dynasty by Ching, by
Manchus.
These Manchus wanted to have friendly status with Chosun, because
Manchus knew that Koreans were their brothers, but Chosun's
unrequated love toward Ming did not stop even after its collapse.
This is why the Ching felt very betrayed and invaded Chosun.
As you can see the two wars, Im-jin-wae-ran and Byung-Ja-Ho-ran
are same kinds of war. Chosun's betrayal to its brothers, Manchus and
Japanese have brought them these ordeals.
> And after this was all said and done, Ieyasu (who took over from
Hideoyoshi)
> apologized to Korea, sent back those people that were kidnapped, except
for
> those who wanted to stay because life was more bearable there (artisans
were
> taken care of very well in Japan, even if they were equivalent in ability
to
> the lowest rung of artisans in Korea at the time), and promised never to
> invade again. And Korea reopened Pusan as a trading port and it stayed
that
> way until Taewongun closed it down in the early mid 1800's.
>
> So all of your arguments are false Doohwan. Sure you can say that Koreans
> regarded Japanese as "barbarians", and treated them diplomatically as
such.
> But Korea never did anything untoward to the Japanese people or chinese
> peoples for that matter in its entire history.
This is a distorting of the purpose. Korea never did anything does not
convince anything.
> Of course, you can try to come up with an example for me...
>
> > Korean history, OTOH, records it like Koreans were innocent
> > angelic figures, who just happened to be attacked by "evil Japanese."
>
> Sure Doohwan...taking a balanced viewpoint is not something you are
familiar
> with, whether it is a discussion of Japanese=Korean historical relations,
or
> supporting your new messiah dubya.
It was always like this. I am sure in Japan it is the same way. Koreans
were
taught with very negative nuances. But so much more in Korea, just because
Koreans always thought they had China behind them.
But no longer they could resort to this kind of logic.
Enoch in You
> Austin
John Yamamoto-Wilson
> > > Do the gooks hate the TOKYO JAPS or just the true Japanese of the
Kinai
> > > civilization?
I commented:
> > Nice one, Kevin! Keep that up and I could almost grow to appreciate you!
And Kaz said:
> It's only nice one for you, I think.
I think it's nice for everyone who gets tired of e-mails that just rant on
endlessly about
> ugly retarded barbarians
> former slaves who have a lot of ugly hatred
> deformed Hun-gooks
> stinking Hun-gook
> gook barbarians
> primitive beast with a full of hatred and inferiority complex
> you Hun-gook land should be punished.
That's all just from *one* of your postings! And this is all from just one
of Supertech's:
> Ignorant sslgae ppazin nom.
> stupid idiot
> You don't know a shit
> ignorant Ssangnom, Eunuch.
> filthy fucking animals fucking in the middle of the street.
> You are one ignorant low life shit.
> Wae's are animals
> Ok Idiot Doo Whan
After that kind of subhuman drivel *anything* looks nice - even a Kevin
Gowen posting.
But perhaps you boys really ought to stop now, before you start giving too
many people the idea that the best thing for the rest of humanity would be
to let you get together and wipe each other out. ;-)
Supertech
good picture to look at.
If you hate Tokyo japs, fine, but I don't think you should hate Koreans.
Baikje people are kind of different in characters. At least that's how
average Koreans feel. They have been mistreated when Shilla unified the
peninsula. But Shilla should not have unified Korea. Kokuryo should have.
I'm not a huge advocate of Shilla having become the final winner in the
unification of Korean peninsula which is not the unification at all.
Being a native member of a northern province, I tend to think Shilla did
many disservice to Korean people in general. They lost Kokuryo and
introduced China to kill their own people.
Do not assume that every Koreans think the same way.
But that still doesn't give any excuse to many plundering that Wae did on
the southern shores of Korean peninsula.
Kaz
For a sick self-esteemed offensive racist like you, every coloreds is
"subhuman", isn't it? And everything the subhuman says would be drivel
for you isn't it? Kevin Gowen's post is much better than your sick
self-esteemed offensive racist's post though.
> But perhaps you boys really ought to stop now, before you start giving too
Racists always call coloreds "boys". It's quite offensive don't you
know that?
Stop making people sick, you real boy. If you don't like, you don't
have to read it. No one is slandering you, or slandering your ethnic
so you can just pass them.
> many people the idea that the best thing for the rest of humanity would be
> to let you get together and wipe each other out. ;-)
Your humanity is the worst. Glimpsing the ugly attitudes of a sick
self-esteemed racist even make me sick more than Supertech's stupid
posts do.
Kaz
> Kaz, come down man. You are making a huge bubble in your mouth. Not a very
> good picture to look at.
>
> If you hate Tokyo japs, fine, but I don't think you should hate Koreans.
> Baikje people are kind of different in characters. At least that's how
> average Koreans feel. They have been mistreated when Shilla unified the
> peninsula. But Shilla should not have unified Korea. Kokuryo should have.
>
> I'm not a huge advocate of Shilla having become the final winner in the
> unification of Korean peninsula which is not the unification at all.
>
> Being a native member of a northern province, I tend to think Shilla did
> many disservice to Korean people in general. They lost Kokuryo and
> introduced China to kill their own people.
>
> Do not assume that every Koreans think the same way.
>
> But that still doesn't give any excuse to many plundering that Wae did on
> the southern shores of Korean peninsula.
I don't like tokyojaps because they are quite ugly and cruel
ethnocentric racists.
So if Koreans discriminate people in Juranamdo and Cheju island so
badly, they just look the same as those ugly tokyojap racists who have
silly self-conscious over-confidence.
Nevertheless, I think many northern Koreans, which I state as
Hun-Koreans hate those Shilla folks in Juranamdo.
You should be aware that many people from Cheju island and Juranamdo
had immigrated to Kansai to flee from the abuse and discrimination by
northern Koreans.
Many of them even immigrated to the US to flee from your northern
Korean severe discrimination against them, such as treating them as
"pekchon" class, the slave class people.
You had stated that all japs are the same. So you will treat us badly
as worse as you treat those ugly cruel tokyojaps
John R. Yamamoto- Wilson
> "subhuman", isn't it?
Not at all. For a start, my wife is Japanese and my child is as much
Japanese as British, and anyone who calls either of them subhuman had better
prepare for the consequences. Anyway, what do you know of my racial and
cultural background?
There is subhuman behaviour among whites, too, Kaz (try the Ku Klux Klan,
for example), just as there is highly evolved and admirable behaviour among
Koreans and Japanese and all other people. It's just that you and Supertech
are not exhibiting such behaviour (though Supertech, I've noticed, has tried
to make some conciliatory gestures towards you and get a proper dialogue
going, which you have refused to respond to).
> And everything the subhuman says would be drivel
> for you isn't it?
Not at all. We are not talking about the words of such sages as Lao Tse,
Shinran Shonin, Fu-Kian and Hakushu, people who raised and ennobled the very
meaning of what it is to be human. We are talking about *this* (mixed
together this time, so you can see how it's all exactly the same drivel):
> > Ignorant sslgae ppazin nom.
> > ugly retarded barbarians
> > You are one ignorant low life shit.
> > former slaves who have a lot of ugly hatred
> > stupid idiot
> > deformed Hun-gooks
> > You don't know a shit
> > stinking Hun-gook
> > Wae's are animals
> > gook barbarians
> > ignorant Ssangnom, Eunuch.
> > primitive beast with a full of hatred and inferiority complex
> > filthy fucking animals fucking in the middle of the street.
> > you Hun-gook land should be punished
> > Ok Idiot Doo Whan
Do you really think that anyone who *respects* Asian culture could respect
*that*? Do you really think that anyone who refuses to accept that kind of
language is a racist? Do you really think these words stand alongside those
of the great sages, or that if they were alive today they would praise your
words?
And, just for the record, I never called you subhuman and do not consider
you to be subhuman. It is your *behaviour right now* that I consider
subhuman. You have the *power* to act like decent human beings any time you
choose, but instead the two of you are like dogs going for each other's
throats. The colour of your skin has nothing to do with it.
> Kevin Gowen's post is much better than your sick
> self-esteemed offensive racist's post though.
Well, I said it was a "Nice one!" and you disagreed. Have you changed your
mind?
.
But why waste words on you? Only someone truly blind would fail to see the
irony of ranting on about "stinking Hun-gooks" and "retarded barbarians" and
then calling someone *else* a racist!
No, Kaz. Try again. Everything you've said so far would be drivel whether
the people saying it were white or yellow or sky-blue pink. That has nothing
to do with where you were born, what culture you come from, or what language
you speak. That is just where you have sunk to. Just as there is nothing
more similar to a Serb than a Croat, nothing more similar to an Ulster
Protestant than an Ulster Catholic, nothing more similar to a Futu than a
Tutsi, so there is nothing more similar to you than Supertech. To anyone but
yourselves, you are the perfect mirror image of each other.
Jürgen Hubert
Enoch in You wrote:
> Superkech, you are on incredibly stupid person.
>
> I don't see any difference between you and the chinamen.
>
> "Supertech" <ejo...@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:PUfya.30269$ql5.1...@twister.austin.rr.com...
>
>>Koreans do not hate Midgets.
Oh, get a life, all of you.
Preferably, get it somewhere other than soc.culture.german.
--
- Jürgen Hubert
Scientist. Soldier. Barkeeper.
http://juergen.the-huberts.net/
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John Yamamoto-Wilson
> Supertech, I've noticed, has tried
> to make some conciliatory gestures towards you and get a proper dialogue
> going, which you have refused to respond to.
At that time my server had not picked up your latest posting in reply to
Supertech, which is much more like what I would consider a "proper dialogue"
than all the insults which came before.
John Yamamoto-Wilson
> know that?
No, Kaz. Some white colonialist saying "Hey, you, boy!" to a "colored" adult
is quite different from someone calling an adult "boy" because he is
behaving childishly. I would say the same to any adult, white, yellow, black
or sky-blue pink.
> Stop making people sick, you real boy. If you don't like, you don't
> have to read it. No one is slandering you, or slandering your ethnic
> so you can just pass them.
But you are broadcasting your remarks in a public forum. If you don't want
others to read what you have written, don't post it here. But if you do post
it here just accept that others have every right to comment.
> Your humanity is the worst. Glimpsing the ugly attitudes of a sick
> self-esteemed racist even make me sick more than Supertech's stupid
> posts do.
All right then, Kaz. Let us suppose you are right. Let us suppose I am
racist.
But I do not *want* to be racist. I want to learn. Will you allow me to try
to learn from you?
According to you I am racist if I say the following is subhuman drivel:
> > ugly retarded barbarians
> > former slaves who have a lot of ugly hatred
> > deformed Hun-gooks
> > stinking Hun-gook
> > gook barbarians
> > primitive beast with a full of hatred and inferiority complex
> > you Hun-gook land should be punished.
>
> > Ignorant sslgae ppazin nom.
> > stupid idiot
> > You don't know a shit
> > ignorant Ssangnom, Eunuch.
> > filthy fucking animals fucking in the middle of the street.
> > You are one ignorant low life shit.
> > Wae's are animals
> > Ok Idiot Doo Whan
Therefore, in order not to be racist, I will not say it is subhuman drivel.
I will say instead that it is all perfectly true. Furthermore, I will say
that anyone who denies that the Koreans are ugly barbarians, etc., or that
Waes are animals, etc., is a racist.
Is that better, Kaz? Are you happy now?
Supertech
be from Junrado. But he did not like the people from his own province. But I
think the whole thing started from Shilla being the winner in the struggle
at the time of three Kingdoms. And this trend may have been transferred to
Koryo dynasty.
And the high level scholars who lost the power struggle from inside the
government were sent to Jechudo as a *reward* as a price of saving their
lives, so Jechudo has become a kind of prison camp at the time of Chosun
dynasty.
Those people sent there were brightest intellectuals and visionaries at the
time. The conservative party could not stand those people with new and
better ideas. They sent them to Junranamdo or Jechudo and that's how Chosun
got behind Japan.
It's nice to hear the voice of the people who left Korea and decided to live
in Kansai. I can see the spirit of Koreans there actually. The hardship must
have been unbearable when they were sent to Jechudo. But who would have
known the background story behind it until you speak up.
Because they tried to forget about those people they sent to Jechudo or the
people living in those areas in general from the whole history.
If Enoch has come up with such a story from the beginning, I would have
understood his position better.
Yes, Chosun dynasty had a lot of hypocrisies within, that normally follows
such kind of high morality. Pretty much like that of Jews. I never said the
application of Confucian philosophy by Chosun dynasty was a perfect one.
Their system discriminated a lot of lower class people.
Your ancestors have nothing to do with Wae pirates that frequently plundered
southern shores of Korean peninsula.
So, you ARE a Korean just happened to live in Kansai.
I'm wondering if they speak Korean in those area of Kansai? Seems a little
bit different in pronunciation though.
"Kaz" <k...@ivebeenframed.com> wrote in message
news:365fcc52.0305...@posting.google.com...
Kaz
Why do you so care about such things happened in the medieval era?
Have your humanity been stopped evolving ever since the medieval era?
Instead of those pirates in the medieval, why don't you just care
about nice girls?
> So, you ARE a Korean just happened to live in Kansai.
No, I'm 100% Japanese. I'm just trying to get along well with those
Korean residents in my hometown and that's all. There are the more
friendly Koreans from Juranamdo and Cheju island than those North
Koreans so I automatically speak for them.
> I'm wondering if they speak Korean in those area of Kansai? Seems a little
> bit different in pronunciation though.
Only the first generation speak Korean. And most of 2nds and 3rds
don't.
Supertech
Yes it concerns me somehow.
There is a lot of people who don't know what happened exactly.
It means there was pretty close relations between Japan and Korea than
people normally think.
My guess was right, people went there because there was political and class
conflicts.
Otherwise risking life to go there does not make sense.
Nice girls? Girls are not everything in man's life.
> > So, you ARE a Korean just happened to live in Kansai.
>
> No, I'm 100% Japanese. I'm just trying to get along well with those
> Korean residents in my hometown and that's all. There are the more
> friendly Koreans from Juranamdo and Cheju island than those North
> Koreans so I automatically speak for them.
Do you and your friends talk about those things all the time?
I mean you guys have been bad mouthing Koreans behind their back all those
years?
> > I'm wondering if they speak Korean in those area of Kansai? Seems a
little
> > bit different in pronunciation though.
>
> Only the first generation speak Korean. And most of 2nds and 3rds
> don't.
I guess some of the vocabularies may be mixed and those words like
Junranamdo is not usually easy to pronounce by native Japanese tongue.
Kyoskyu
> To even attempt to make a comparison between a world power like the United
> States and
> a small colony like Korea is totally idiotic.
> Only a moron would even suggest it.
Does it matter that one is a "world power" and the other is not? It's
about the justice of such actions.
The only reason I apply the Japanese actions against Korea to the United
States is to illustrate that if it's not acceptable to one nation, it
shouldn't be acceptable to another . . . especially since this person
portrays themselves as a neutral American.
And come to think of it, one sign of idiocy is to make statements that are
totally irrelevant to the conversation (or the direction of the
conversation) at hand.
USA
"Kyoskyu" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.05.23....@privacy.net...
Nothing wrong in using an analogy, but if you think for a moment that "all
countries are equal"
in the real world and therefore totally interchangable for the sake of
argument, you are
completely wrong. Your analogy was absurd because you don't realize this.
The avatar embodying the morbidity within Follyfoot Farm
>I think that in order to properly demonstrate korea's enmity to the
>japanese, I(an american) am a neutral source free of bias.
Curiously, I too am a neutral source free of bias and I disagree with
you whether or not your statements were sarcastic. I, of course, am
being sarcastic especially in this sentence.
John Yamamoto-Wilson
> Curiously, I too am a neutral source free of bias and I disagree with
> you whether or not your statements were sarcastic.
This is perhaps because, your curious embodiment of agropedimanic (?)
morbidity notwithstanding, you are not a puerile and mischievous wind-up
merchant trying to stir up bad feeling at every turn.
It does make a difference to one's perceptions. ;-)
The avatar embodying the morbidity within Follyfoot Farm
Agripodipaths (well, that's how it's spelled in my dictionary) tend to
respond to posts in the same vein as the original poster.
Like I did and am.
Nevertheless, I agree with you further than I understand you.
In that our perceptions are one. ;-)
John Yamamoto-Wilson
> Agripodipaths (well, that's how it's spelled in my dictionary) tend to
> respond to posts in the same vein as the original poster.
>
> Like I did and am.
Yes, you hit the right vein, I think (unlike a lot of other posters).
> Nevertheless, I agree with you further than I understand you.
> In that our perceptions are one. ;-)
Agripodipathic atavars appear to be pretty cool. Is there a long
apprenticeship, or can anyone join?
Kaz
> > > So, you ARE a Korean just happened to live in Kansai.
> >
> > No, I'm 100% Japanese. I'm just trying to get along well with those
> > Korean residents in my hometown and that's all. There are the more
> > friendly Koreans from Juranamdo and Cheju island than those North
> > Koreans so I automatically speak for them.
>
> Do you and your friends talk about those things all the time?
No, but you should be aware that due to the north Korean affairs, more
people became interested in the things of peninsula. And the press
reports about the ugly discrimination against people of Shilla more
than before because your and Kim Jong Il's strong hatred and racial
contempt against the innocent Japanese is also strongly related to the
issue.
> I mean you guys have been bad mouthing Koreans behind their back all those
> years?
You are a persecution mania. No Japanese is paying attention to the
Koreans as much as the Koreans paying attention to the Japanese. Most
of Korean residents live as ordinary Japanese citizens. Only some ugly
Korean like Chulsoo Kim and North Koreans threaten with violence.
Pulling the Japanese to a back alley.......and they are Yakuza.
> > > I'm wondering if they speak Korean in those area of Kansai? Seems a
> little
> > > bit different in pronunciation though.
> >
> > Only the first generation speak Korean. And most of 2nds and 3rds
> > don't.
>
> I guess some of the vocabularies may be mixed and those words like
> Junranamdo is not usually easy to pronounce by native Japanese tongue.
Juranamdo = Zenranando in Japanese.
Kaz
> > For a sick self-esteemed offensive racist like you, every coloreds is
> > "subhuman", isn't it?
>
> Not at all. For a start, my wife is Japanese and my child is as much
> Japanese as British, and anyone who calls either of them subhuman had better
Why does having Japanese wife explain that you are not a racist? Isn't
it a strange logic? As far as I know, a lot of racists have Japanese
wife though.
> prepare for the consequences. Anyway, what do you know of my racial and
> cultural background?
Your cultural back ground....primitive ethnocentric racists in the
18th century who treat anyone inhabiting outside of your little island
as subhuman. Maybe the last land in the globe that treat coloreds as
animals or subhumans.
> There is subhuman behaviour among whites, too, Kaz (try the Ku Klux Klan,
> for example),
According to your logic defining that racists are subhuman, I think
whites are generally more subhuman than any other race, and the most
race that keeps the subhuman behavior stubbornly. So what is so
awesome about the fact that whites having subhuman behavior? Did it
come from the racist's self-conscious superiority complex existing in
the deep realm of your subconscious?
> just as there is highly evolved and admirable behaviour among
> Koreans and Japanese and all other people. It's just that you and Supertech
> are not exhibiting such behaviour (though Supertech, I've noticed, has tried
> to make some conciliatory gestures towards you and get a proper dialogue
> going, which you have refused to respond to).
Once Supertech showed his extreme racial contempt against us, it takes
a while to comeback to normal mode. Supertech is not the only one who
has such a strong hatred against us. Most Koreans are having such
extreme, aggressive contempt and hostile feelings against us more than
those anti-jap kinda people like Dutch, New Zealanders or Chinese. And
then Koreans point nuclear missile to us and threaten us. (Except
those Silla Koreans, basically and racially N.Koreans and S.Koreans
are the same.)
<snipped>
> > Kevin Gowen's post is much better than your sick
> > self-esteemed offensive racist's post though.
>
> Well, I said it was a "Nice one!" and you disagreed. Have you changed your
> mind?
> .
> But why waste words on you? Only someone truly blind would fail to see the
> irony of ranting on about "stinking Hun-gooks" and "retarded barbarians" and
> then calling someone *else* a racist!
Those extreme words are just very good to express one's emotional
attitudes. I believe that humans need to be more honest and natural.
<the rest snipped>
Kaz
> But why waste words on you? Only someone truly blind would fail to see the
> irony of ranting on about "stinking Hun-gooks" and "retarded barbarians" and
> then calling someone *else* a racist!
Is the term "Hun" offensive to you? I suppose you are more likely
reacting to the term "Hun". Huns are disliked in almost everywhere in
the whole world because they messed up almost all part of Asia and
many parts of Europe in the medieval era.
However, some Hun-influenced, maybe Hun-blooded cattle-grazing type
people like N.Koreans respect them. Is English the ones that still
respect and sympathize those wandering, extremely sick self-esteemed
beef-eating super good horse riders? I'm just curious about that.
Britain recently established the diplomatic relations with N.Korea and
it seems they are friendly to those Hun-Koreans in North. As far as I
know, there is even a Jechu Idea association in Britain.
http://www.korea-dpr.com/jisge/
Kaz
> Yes it concerns me somehow.
> There is a lot of people who don't know what happened exactly.
BTW, also, I wonder why the Koreans don't blame the Hun's invasion
against Korea, although they blame those Hideyoshi invasion things in
the medieval era severely. Do the Koreans excuse Huns because today's
Koreans are mixed blood race with Huns? It's a huge contradiction that
the Koreans never blame Huns that invaded Korea while they extremely
criticise the Hideyoshi things even though the Huns acted the more
ugly atrocities. And it's also a huge contradiction that the Koreans
never try to apologize about the fact that they tried to invade Japan
with Huns while they severely demand apologies about all those
invasion things to Japan.
Kaz
> But you are broadcasting your remarks in a public forum. If you don't want
> others to read what you have written, don't post it here. But if you do post
> it here just accept that others have every right to comment.
But you are only commenting about my use of language, not its content.
John Yamamoto-Wilson
> Why does having Japanese wife explain that you are not a racist? Isn't
> it a strange logic? As far as I know, a lot of racists have Japanese
> wife though.
Sad to say, I suppose you are right. But they can't love their wives, can
they (except
perhaps in the same way some people love their pets)? I am not married to an
acronym ( a "BYJW"), but to a fully-fledged human being and (jeez, this is
embarassing - if I'd known what I was letting myself in for getting into
this thread maybe I wouldn't have started!) yes, I do love her.
> Your cultural back ground....primitive ethnocentric racists in the
> 18th century who treat anyone inhabiting outside of your little island
> as subhuman.
Permit me to know a little more about my cultural background than you do. My
great great great grandfather was a coal miner (back in the late 18th or
early 19th century). At six o'clock in the morning he had to go under the
ground and enter narrow passages to chip out coal in choking, inhuman
conditions. He would make lunch of a bit of bread and cheese and an apple.
At six in the evening he would be free to go home, have a bath and some
supper and go to bed. He did this six days a week except at Christmas,
Easter and one or two other special occasions. Oh, I forgot to mention, he
was nine years old when he started.
That was on my father's side. His family was forced out of Scotland during
the enclosures of the 18th century and found work in the Newcastle area. I
owe my great great great grandfather a special debt of gratitude because if
I had had to do what he did I would surely have died long before reaching
childbeaqring age, and then I wouldn't be here now (if you see what I mean).
My mother's family was Irish. Catholic Irish. If you know your history you
will know that during the 18th century the Catholic Irish were denied the
right to an education, to own property, even to eat properly.
And that, too, is a lot more than I planned on divulging about myself when I
let myself get drawn into this thread!
As Bob Marley (one of those "colored" whom, according to you, I regard as
subhuman) said, "If you know your history, you will know where you're coming
from" (I will never forget going to Hammersmith Odeon to see him and the
Wailers perform), and if you can explain why I would feel congenitally
superior because of my ancestry, you explain it to me.
> Maybe the last land in the globe that treat coloreds as
> animals or subhumans.
I only wish you were right. However, if you care to check the records for
casualties among the prisoners of war treated as slaves by the Japanese
during World War II you will find a disproportionate number of what you call
"coloreds". Try here for starters:
http://www.gunplot.net/kwairailway/siamburmarailway.html. Even sadder is the
fact that the entire population of present-day Burma (a land that Japan, in
collusion with the criminals who run that country, calls "Myanmar") is *even
now* being treated as "animals or subhumans" by the military government
which controls the country.
> According to your logic defining that racists are subhuman, I think
> whites are generally more subhuman than any other race, and the most
> race that keeps the subhuman behavior stubbornly. So what is so
> awesome about the fact that whites having subhuman behavior? Did it
> come from the racist's self-conscious superiority complex existing in
> the deep realm of your subconscious?
Yawn. Try again, Kaz. Psychoanalysis doesn't appear to be your strong point.
You accuse me of taking a white supremacist viewpoint, then when I point out
that such a viewpoint is equally subhuman you attack me. My own racial group
has nothing to do with this. Whether it's you and Supertech, an Ulster
loyalist and a Catholic, a Futu and a Tutsi or a Serb and a Croat it's all
the same to me; or didn't you understand me the first time around?
> Once Supertech showed his extreme racial contempt against us, it takes
> a while to comeback to normal mode.
I suppose that's the closest we'll come to agreement. You accept that your
language wasn't "normal mode" (though from what I've seen of your posts it's
not all that aatypical). To me your language was identical to his - the
subhuman barking of a man turned feral.
> Supertech is not the only one who
> has such a strong hatred against us. Most Koreans are having such
> extreme, aggressive contempt and hostile feelings against us more than
> those anti-jap kinda people like Dutch, New Zealanders or Chinese. And
> then Koreans point nuclear missile to us and threaten us. (Except
> those Silla Koreans, basically and racially N.Koreans and S.Koreans
OK, so you feel threatened and angry at being the object of such hatred. But
when you return the same kind of hatred the other party also feels
threatened and angry, and so it goes on until it comes to blows. Insults are
a bad form of communication. Returning the insults is equally bad
communication.
> Those extreme words are just very good to express one's emotional
> attitudes. I believe that humans need to be more honest and natural.
Oh, OK. I agree that humans should be honest and natural.
It seems we don't really have a problem here. You have a right, if you
choose, to use the nastiest insults you can think of, and I have the right,
if I choose, to comment that such insults are subhuman drivel. If it's any
comfort, I have on occasion stooped to insult, and I have, on reflection,
realised - a\nd admitted - that my words were unworthy.
> <the rest snipped>
Thank goodness! I have a life to live, a job to do and a family to love; I
don't have time to continue this conversation indefinitely!
John Yamamoto-Wilson
> But you are only commenting about my use of language, not its content.
The medium *is* the message, Kaz. How can I separate the use of words such
as:
> ugly retarded barbarians
> former slaves who have a lot of ugly hatred
> deformed Hun-gooks
> stinking Hun-gook
> gook barbarians
> primitive beast with a full of hatred and inferiority complex
> you Hun-gook land should be punished.
from their content? What they contain is a message of intolerance and
hatred. I understand your frustration, but you will not convince anyone with
this kind of language, and language which does not attempt to *persuade*
when there is a difference of viewpoint is...well, I've already said it;
let's not start all *that* again!
"Thanks to words, we have been able to rise above the brutes; and thanks
to words, we have often sunk to the level of demons." --Aldous Huxley
John Yamamoto-Wilson
> Is the term "Hun" offensive to you? I suppose you are more likely
> reacting to the term "Hun". Huns are disliked in almost everywhere in
> the whole world because they messed up almost all part of Asia and
> many parts of Europe in the medieval era.
No. To me the Huns are just one more tribl group that roamed Europe during
the early Christian era. Your use of the term was no more upsetting - and no
less upsetting - than the rest of the language you used.
> However, some Hun-influenced, maybe Hun-blooded cattle-grazing type
> people like N.Koreans respect them. Is English the ones that still
> respect and sympathize those wandering, extremely sick self-esteemed
> beef-eating super good horse riders? I'm just curious about that.
>
> Britain recently established the diplomatic relations with N.Korea and
> it seems they are friendly to those Hun-Koreans in North. As far as I
> know, there is even a Jechu Idea association in Britain.
> http://www.korea-dpr.com/jisge/
I'll think about that and maybe give you an answer some other time. Right
now, I've got other things to do!
--
John
http://rarebooksinjapan.com
Pantheras
Please trim your headers. This threat is certainly of little interest
to alt.history.
--
nospam ---> bill
Pantheras
Please trim your headers. This thread is of little interest to alt.history.
--
nospam ---> bill
Kevin Gowen
Don't top-post, monkey.
--
Kevin Gowen
Bryan Parker
>
>Please trim your headers. This thread is of little interest to alt.history.
Please trim *your* headers. Your disinterest in
this thread is of little interest to fjlij.
--
Bryan
-------Please no e-mail with big words--------
----http://www.trainerbryan.com/FJLIJ.html----
John Yamamoto-Wilson
> Please trim your headers. This threat is certainly of little interest
> to alt.history.
I did think of that, but decided against it. If I allow Kaz's comments to
stand in alt.history or elsewhere, and trim the headers so that my reply
does not get posted on alt.history (or wherever) then that will create the
perception among readers of that newsgroup that I had no effective response
to Kaz. That might please purists who don't want off-topic discussions in
their newsgroup, but I would be doing myself a disservice on the one hand,
and distorting others' perceptions of how the debate has developed on the
other. For every purist like you there may be someone else who would at
least like to see where the thread leads.
The fault lies with the original poster/troll. I think we just have to live
with it. And it is not, after all, difficult simply to ignore threads we are
not interested in.
Actually, though, I would have thought that the particular posting you
object to *was* of interest to alt.history, since in it I am making in it
the point that that Britain made itself "great", not just on the backs of
the inhabitants of its colonies, but on the backs of its indigenous poor,
and that those who stress the racial aspect of Britain's imperial era are
failing to take into account the extent to which cruelty and mistreatment
were applied indifferently to all, not just to people whom Kaz calls
"coloreds". I am also making the historical point that so-called "coloreds"
suffered disproportionately in such infamous episodes as the building of the
Burma railway (not something that, as I remember it, came across terribly
clearly in Bridge over the River Kwai!).
In general, though, in-between the crossfire of insults, there has actually
been a fair amount of exchange of views about the interplay of relations
between Japan, Korea and China, dating back to the 12th century or even
earlier. That may not be your particular field of interest, but it is
certainly history.
Pantheras
> Pantheras wrote:
>
>
>>Please trim your headers. This threat is certainly of little interest
>>to alt.history.
>
>
> I did think of that, but decided against it. If I allow Kaz's comments to
> stand in alt.history or elsewhere, and trim the headers so that my reply
> does not get posted on alt.history (or wherever) then that will create the
> perception among readers of that newsgroup that I had no effective response
> to Kaz. That might please purists who don't want off-topic discussions in
> their newsgroup, but I would be doing myself a disservice on the one hand,
> and distorting others' perceptions of how the debate has developed on the
> other. For every purist like you there may be someone else who would at
> least like to see where the thread leads.
The problem is that some one from one of the groups that are not
interested in is eventually going to respond directly to your post in
such a way that is does not fit in the group that you normally post to
and then everyone is going to be unhappy. Then there is the other side
that a flame war between two people really should be off line anyway.
nospam ---> bill
John Yamamoto-Wilson
> The problem is that some one from one of the groups that are not
> interested in is eventually going to respond directly to your post in
> such a way that is does not fit in the group that you normally post to
> and then everyone is going to be unhappy. Then there is the other side
> that a flame war between two people really should be off line anyway.
I think there are a whole lot of problems here - the main ones being that
the thread was started by a crossposting troll and that, instead of ignoring
the troll, people took him seriously, and then, finally, started flaming
each other (while the original troll has either moved on or is sitting back
laughing like the retard he is).
In my experience, flame wars very rarely go offline; it seems people seek to
be vindicated in the forum the dispute began, a feeling I can understand.
It's bad enough when that forum is one newsgroup, and much worse when it's
spread across several.
I think, on reflection, it would have made sense if I and other people
posting to the thread had trimmed their headers when they *first* joined the
thread. Once one has posted and been flamed in return it's very difficult to
trim for the reasons I've given.
Still, as the sages said when asked for a phrase that would cover every
situation, "Even this will pass". ;-)
The avatar embodying the morbidity within Follyfoot Farm
Well I don't know about cool but anyone is free to apply. I'll send
you a form.
You should start preparing a few things in advance. You'll need a
photograph of six dead relatives arranged in a cube, a wooden pole
between 1m and 1.2m and a book on hamsters.
When filling in the form you don't need to answer the questions about
cardboard. We don't worry about that any more.
Keep the pink copy for yourself. Give the yellow copy to a friend in a
sealed envelope - you do NOT want anyone that close to know that kind
of information. Burn the green copy and keep it an glass jar (all will
become clear when you get the handbook.) Send the rest of the copies
to the address on page 208.
You won't have long between receiving the interview date and the
interview itself. So once you have sent off the form start looking for
stockists of silver and red clothing, national costumes and 19th
century fur so you will be prepared when you receive the instructions
and map. I ended up going to Krakow for a couple of days in the end.
It was a real rush I can tell you.
At the interview you will need to bring the fee, the book, your
prepared pole, Death die, a packed lunch and a couple of bottles of
spirit (though port or sherry will do if funds are an issue.) It
starts about 8am and they don't have any changing facilities so go
wearing the costume. Following the informal interview the ceremonial
examination begins.
Some of the questions will be on the answers you gave on the form but
others fall into the categories:
Capital Cities.
The Hamsters home in Deserts and Grasslands
What Hamsters are Like
Hamsters Senses at Work
Hamster Breeding
Hamsters Typical Behavior
Understanding Hamsters Body Language
Understanding Hamster Sounds
Building trust in your Hamster.
Understanding a Hamster’s Feelings
Children and Hamsters
Your Hamsters’ Wish List
Roaming Free with your Hamster
Build an Adventure Playground for you Hamster
Judging a Hamster’s Personality Type.
The best ways to use a Pet Stores
How Long Do Hamsters Live?
The Autumn of Life for Hamsters
How to Recognize an Older Hamster
How Hamsters Die
Music of Memphis in the 1960s
(You are allowed to use your book on most of the questions.)
Then in the evening there will be a short film on the life of our
leader and Eileen will have prepared a few snacks.
Next you will be given a number based on an appraisal on your pole
(mine is 2 which is quite poor.) It's weight, girth, tonality and
whether the carvings will have affected its durability. You will leave
the pole in this room with the fee, die and alcohol. Following a quick
but quite traumatic ceremony you will be given the hat, badge, pen and
hamster and we'll get you a cab back to the station or, on rare
occasions, an ambulance. If its not Monday the train should arrive
before the morning. It should be second nature by this point but to
avoid a tragedy please remember to keep the hamster warm on the way
home.
--
Tenko Bill McFishdentist
Down in the meadow where the wind blows free, In the middle of a field stands the lightning tree.
It's limbs all torn from the day it was born, For the tree was born in a thunderstorm.
Grow, grow, the lightning tree, It's never too late for you and me;
Grow, grow, the lightning tree, Never give in too easily.
onegod
Moral of story is.... We are all humans. And there's truth to adam and
eve/noah type stories....
Chances are around 110,000 years ago, something (like comet) caused
"nuclear" winter type of ice age and as a result majority of humanoid died.
This allowed survivor mitocondrian eve's decendent to spread. And around
50,000 years ago, similar thing happen again... This allow Y-chromosome
adam's decendend to spread again....
Less major version probably happened like 1686 bc, creating
Atlantis/Noah/Joseph stories.
And another famine around time of moses.
As for japan. It seems that there was short hairly people of pacific....
ainu, filipino, okinawan, aboriginy taiwanese, aboriginy australians etc.
And around 500bc first around of chinese/korean/mongol came to japan.... And
second wave came around 300ad- 500ad. majorly paekche.
paeche was from koguryeo was from mongol origin koreans.
Of course around 500ad, there were major burning of all documents in japan
and emperor system was set up. Chances are though Heavenly deity clans are
those from korea/china mostly and those Earth deity clans are those got here
before 300ad or original inhabitants.
So anyway, chances are great that lots koreans and japanese have SAME
ancestory if you let it go back around 1500-2500 years.
Similarly jews/arabs are similar origin if you go back around 3-4000years.
So irony is that original Emperors were probably more what can be considered
korean than from prehistoric decendant of japan...
Of more recent history... Khan try to invade japan with aid of korea twice
and failed. Hideyoshi was very smart man so he knew that in order to keep
power, he had to keep on invading to kill off solders and give reward to
survivors.
Of course ieyasu was blessed with kids plus were probably expert in using
poison/herbs.
Then europeans colonized china/korea and siphoned money from japan. And
japanese were clever
enough to learn and copy how international law/colonialization worked.
"Kaz" <k...@ivebeenframed.com> wrote in message
news:365fcc52.03052...@posting.google.com...
> "Enoch in You" <enoch...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:<Ravya.5579$95....@www.newsranger.com>...
> > <grun...@msn.com> wrote in message news:...
> > > "Enoch in You" <enoch...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
> > news:<3yeya.5453$95....@www.newsranger.com>...
> > > > No, they just have two different perspectives on history.
> > > > It is Korean history that is totally distorted.
> > >
> > > Like what, what part of Korean history is distorted?
> >
> > Japanese Invasion, for one.
> >
> > Korea, China, and Japan was peacefully doing trade via land
> > and sea. And ever since Chosun Dynasty, because of Ming Dynasty's
> > China-centralism policy, the Koreans started treating Japan harsely
> > to advocate that evil China empire.
> >
> > If you look at the map, you could easily find that Korea blocking
> > Japan's trade route, was a suicide and political isolation for Japan.
> >
> > Korean history, OTOH, records it like Koreans were innocent
> > angelic figures, who just happened to be attacked by "evil Japanese."
> >
> > Enoch in You
>
> It's really surprising how could Koreans deny and erase the historical
> fact of the invasion against Japan in the medieval era by Hun-Koreans,
> while the invasion is well-known as Kamikaze story in Japan.
> Hun-Koreans invaded first but they failed to conquer Japan. Since
> then, Hun-Koreans had been enemy to the Japanese and Hideyoshi
> revenged it.
>
> The only difference is that Hun-Koreans failed to invade and enslave
> the Japanese while Hideyoshi succeeded to hit back Korea. Morally
> Koreans have no right to blame Hideyoshi's invasion because Koreans
> started first.
Lin Chi
> piccolog...@yahoo.com (Piccolo) wrote in message news:<384b9be.03051...@posting.google.com>...
> > I think that in order to properly demonstrate korea's enmity to the
>
> Ah... Hum. Ok, lets take your word as it is. ;)
>
> >
> >
> > In the last THOUSAND years, japan has invaded korea TWICE! That's a
> > lot, even more than most koreans can count.
>
> If you go over one thousand years, I would not suprise if Japanese or
> what it would be
> called as Japanese invaded the land what it is called as Korea now
> more than twice.
>
> The land of Korea is just a little bit too far away to swim from the
> islands of Japan but
> its not that awfully far away. Same thing can be said to Korean,
> too. There were
> quite a lot of Koreans came to Japan and settled down here. At lease,
> it is wanrmer
> here in winter.
In fact, the Japanese and the Koreans have been fighting over
the issue who the hell fathered the other side for decades.
I think it's very easy to decide who the father side is: who
is better in swimming and ship making? Hahahahah.
>
> > And worst
> >
> > That japanese did the worst to korea by ESTABLISHING TRADE with them
> > for *gasp* SEVERAL CENTURIES.
> >
>
> Hum? Whats wrong with it?
Kaz
> Oh, no; there's more!
>
> > Is the term "Hun" offensive to you? I suppose you are more likely
> > reacting to the term "Hun". Huns are disliked in almost everywhere in
> > the whole world because they messed up almost all part of Asia and
> > many parts of Europe in the medieval era.
>
> No. To me the Huns are just one more tribl group that roamed Europe during
> the early Christian era. Your use of the term was no more upsetting - and no
> less upsetting - than the rest of the language you used.
That's fine. Love kippers more than beef. I suppose eating too much
cattles makes people more like Huns, the more aggressive. At least,
eating fish is more healthful than eating beef.
Kaz
> Kaz:
>
> > Why does having Japanese wife explain that you are not a racist? Isn't
> > it a strange logic? As far as I know, a lot of racists have Japanese
> > wife though.
>
> Sad to say, I suppose you are right. But they can't love their wives, can
> they (except
> perhaps in the same way some people love their pets)? I am not married to
an
> acronym ( a "BYJW"), but to a fully-fledged human being and (jeez, this is
> embarassing - if I'd known what I was letting myself in for getting into
> this thread maybe I wouldn't have started!) yes, I do love her.
It wouldn't be sad. As I told before, Kinai is traditionally
female-dominated society ever since the ancient times. Although Japan
is rebuilt by the westernization of Maiji era, the custom of
male-dominated society to be strong as those European powers, such
un-westernized regions like Osaka, Nara or Amagasaki in Kinai still
have that custom. Women are always treated better than men since they
are the family successors. If your wife were Osakan, I guess she is
probably thinking you as a sort of her pet, a sort of servant, or
money making machine...... some like that.
But sorry, Takarazuka you're living is kinda Kobe type city that has
silly women-despising operetta things which mimic the Western things
as well as Kobe. It's an unusual Kinai custom but the operetta was
originally created by the founder Kobayashi who is from Yamanashi
pref. of Kanto in the late Meiji era.
Nevertheless, Nakayama Dera is a fine "Ama" temple that has been
standing and spreading Buddhism from Idia over 1400 years, though.
> > Your cultural back ground....primitive ethnocentric racists in the
> > 18th century who treat anyone inhabiting outside of your little island
> > as subhuman.
>
> Permit me to know a little more about my cultural background than you do.
My
> great great great grandfather was a coal miner (back in the late 18th or
> early 19th century). At six o'clock in the morning he had to go under the
> ground and enter narrow passages to chip out coal in choking, inhuman
> conditions. He would make lunch of a bit of bread and cheese and an apple.
> At six in the evening he would be free to go home, have a bath and some
> supper and go to bed. He did this six days a week except at Christmas,
> Easter and one or two other special occasions. Oh, I forgot to mention, he
> was nine years old when he started.
>
> That was on my father's side. His family was forced out of Scotland during
> the enclosures of the 18th century and found work in the Newcastle area. I
> owe my great great great grandfather a special debt of gratitude because
if
> I had had to do what he did I would surely have died long before reaching
> childbeaqring age, and then I wouldn't be here now (if you see what I
mean).
> My mother's family was Irish. Catholic Irish. If you know your history you
> will know that during the 18th century the Catholic Irish were denied the
> right to an education, to own property, even to eat properly.
What do you mean "your history"? Am I Celt? Although I am "Ama" that
means "sea people" inhabiting in Amagasaki, I don't think I am such
Murphy people though. But maybe it's close since the origin of Ama
folks is supposed to be southern ocean including India which is
somewhat related to Celt. Irish have myths that are similar to
Japanese ones, and they also worships such primitive indigenous
religion and each village or community has its own shrine like we do
> And that, too, is a lot more than I planned on divulging about myself when
I
> let myself get drawn into this thread!
>
> As Bob Marley (one of those "colored" whom, according to you, I regard as
> subhuman) said, "If you know your history, you will know where you're
coming
> from" (I will never forget going to Hammersmith Odeon to see him and the
> Wailers perform), and if you can explain why I would feel congenitally
> superior because of my ancestry, you explain it to me.
>
> > Maybe the last land in the globe that treat coloreds as
> > animals or subhumans.
>
> I only wish you were right. However, if you care to check the records for
> casualties among the prisoners of war treated as slaves by the Japanese
> during World War II you will find a disproportionate number of what you
call
> "coloreds". Try here for starters:
> http://www.gunplot.net/kwairailway/siamburmarailway.html. Even sadder is
the
> fact that the entire population of present-day Burma (a land that Japan,
in
> collusion with the criminals who run that country, calls "Myanmar") is
*even
> now* being treated as "animals or subhumans" by the military government
> which controls the country.
Kinai is more like the Ama folk's society except those
western-imitating silly kobejaps and despotic kyotojaps. I really
don't understand why you accuse me of such imperial tokyojap's war
charges while you claim that you are not racist because of your family
line....
Accusing the Kinai folks of the imperial tokyojap's war charges is as
silly and meaningless as accusing you who has a coal-mining
grandfather and Irish family line of colonizing Buruma or Myanmar or
whatever...
Anyway, It's nice to be aware that you are not one of those
colonialist racists by glimpsing your cultural background. I peel off
what I labelled you as a racist. Sorry for giving you such emotional
upset of being labelled as a racist.
Kaz
> perhaps in the same way some people love their pets)? I am not married to an
> acronym ( a "BYJW"), but to a fully-fledged human being and (jeez, this is
> embarassing -
BTW, what does the ellipsis "BYJW" mean? I have no idea what that
means.
To those readers in alt.history, sorry I forgot to trim it. From next
time, I will do so.
Dave Fossett
> If your wife were Osakan, I guess she is
> probably thinking you as a sort of her pet, a sort of servant, or
> money making machine...... some like that.
You know, that sounds awfully familiar... and my wife isn't from Kansai. :-)
--
Dave Fossett
Saitama, JAPAN
John R. Yamamoto- Wilson
> what does the ellipsis "BYJW" mean?
Beautiful young Japanese wife. I'd never heard it either until I started
following postings to the fj.life.in-japan newsgroup.
> To those readers in alt.history, sorry I forgot to trim it. From next
> time, I will do so.
I'll bet they were just dying to know, but didn't like to ask!
From your other posting:
> If your wife were Osakan, I guess she is
> probably thinking you as a sort of her pet, a sort of servant, or
> money making machine...... some like that.
Nothing like that, I'm glad to say! I've noticed she treats me quite
differently from the way she treats our daughter's rabbits, she looks after
me wonderfully, and she prefers to have me at home than pack me off to work!
This is all quite natural, because I am so nice and pleasant to be with. ;-)
My daughter, at age five, still sometimes seems to think that both I and her
mother are her servants, though. Perhaps my wife has inherited some kind of
recessive Osakan gene from one of her ancestors that's suddenly sprung to
life in our child?
> But sorry, Takarazuka you're living is kinda Kobe type city that has
> silly women-despising operetta things which mimic the Western things
> as well as Kobe.
You are confused. I live in Saitama.
> > If you know your history you
> > will know that during the 18th century the Catholic Irish were denied
the
> > right to an education, to own property, even to eat properly.
>
> What do you mean "your history"? Am I Celt?
Kaz, it's an aspect (admittedly a rather irritating aspect) of the English
language that the word "your" doesn't always *mean* "your". My meaning here
was something like, "If you are good at history", or "If you are
well-informed about matters of history". I can see that could cause
confusion!
> I really
> don't understand why you accuse me of such imperial tokyojap's war
> charges while you claim that you are not racist because of your family
> line....
Oh, I'm not accusing you of anything, merely pointing out that Britain was
not the last country to perpetrate atrocities of that kind, as you claimed.
Nor am I saying that my family line makes me not racist, simply that I am
not of the white supremacist stock that you imagined.
> Anyway, It's nice to be aware that you are not one of those
> colonialist racists by glimpsing your cultural background. I peel off
> what I labelled you as a racist. Sorry for giving you such emotional
> upset of being labelled as a racist.
Thanks, Kaz. I don't know that I can apologise in quite the same way - that
was pretty objectionable language that you and Supertech got into there, and
I can't pretend otherwise - but I hope you understand now that my comments
really were about that use of language, not about you or Supertech as
people. You are pretty wild with your words, and there was a time back there
when I figured if I ever heard you were within five hundred yards of me I'd
feel that was too close, but now I feel if you dropped in at my local
izakaya I'd cheerfully down a beer with you.
Now, the *real* success would be if Supertech could join us!
Kaz
> Kaz wrote:
>
> > what does the ellipsis "BYJW" mean?
>
> following postings to the fj.life.in-japan newsgroup.
So, ugly old Japanese wife would be UOJW? Big fat Sepponian wife
would be BFSW?
> > To those readers in alt.history, sorry I forgot to trim it. From next
> > time, I will do so.
>
> I'll bet they were just dying to know, but didn't like to ask!
No, I wrote so because you passed the buck to me in your other
posting.
> From your other posting:
>
> > If your wife were Osakan, I guess she is
> > probably thinking you as a sort of her pet, a sort of servant, or
> > money making machine...... some like that.
>
> Nothing like that, I'm glad to say! I've noticed she treats me quite
> differently from the way she treats our daughter's rabbits, she looks after
> me wonderfully, and she prefers to have me at home than pack me off to work!
> This is all quite natural, because I am so nice and pleasant to be with. ;-)
> My daughter, at age five, still sometimes seems to think that both I and her
> mother are her servants, though. Perhaps my wife has inherited some kind of
> recessive Osakan gene from one of her ancestors that's suddenly sprung to
> life in our child?
It's not a recessive, it's a dominant gene. I may take back what I
said in my last posting like "you are not racist" if you define the
Kinai gene as recessive. You are showing some sort of contempt against
Osakans like the one that wanking tokyojaps have. If you analyze the
gene having the inheritance of female-dominance as recessive, all you
British would be the ones having the recessive genes because you adore
the Queen. And now, I guess your daughter has inherited your British
gene.
> > But sorry, Takarazuka you're living is kinda Kobe type city that has
> > silly women-despising operetta things which mimic the Western things
> > as well as Kobe.
>
> You are confused. I live in Saitama.
I was misthinking you as other guy.
> > > If you know your history you
> > > will know that during the 18th century the Catholic Irish were denied
> the
> > > right to an education, to own property, even to eat properly.
> >
> > What do you mean "your history"? Am I Celt?
>
> Kaz, it's an aspect (admittedly a rather irritating aspect) of the English
> language that the word "your" doesn't always *mean* "your". My meaning here
> was something like, "If you are good at history", or "If you are
> well-informed about matters of history". I can see that could cause
> confusion!
>
> > I really
> > don't understand why you accuse me of such imperial tokyojap's war
> > charges while you claim that you are not racist because of your family
> > line....
>
> Oh, I'm not accusing you of anything, merely pointing out that Britain was
> not the last country to perpetrate atrocities of that kind, as you claimed.
> Nor am I saying that my family line makes me not racist, simply that I am
> not of the white supremacist stock that you imagined.
But your slip of the tongue often makes me nervous, though.
> > Anyway, It's nice to be aware that you are not one of those
> > colonialist racists by glimpsing your cultural background. I peel off
> > what I labelled you as a racist. Sorry for giving you such emotional
> > upset of being labelled as a racist.
>
> Thanks, Kaz. I don't know that I can apologise in quite the same way - that
> was pretty objectionable language that you and Supertech got into there, and
> I can't pretend otherwise - but I hope you understand now that my comments
> really were about that use of language, not about you or Supertech as
> people. You are pretty wild with your words, and there was a time back there
But you are also sarcastically wild with your words.
John R. Yamamoto- Wilson
> would be BFSW?
I guess!
> > > To those readers in alt.history, sorry I forgot to trim it. From next
> > > time, I will do so.
> >
> > I'll bet they were just dying to know, but didn't like to ask!
>
> No, I wrote so because you passed the buck to me in your other
> posting.
Didn't mean to. In my other posting I blamed Piccolo for starting the thread
in a whole load of newsgroups and myself for not trimming the headers when I
first replied. Sorry if you thought I was blaming you (you have many sins,
but that is not one of them!).
> It's not a recessive, it's a dominant gene. I may take back what I
> said in my last posting like "you are not racist" if you define the
> Kinai gene as recessive. You are showing some sort of contempt against
> Osakans like the one that wanking tokyojaps have. If you analyze the
> gene having the inheritance of female-dominance as recessive, all you
> British would be the ones having the recessive genes because you adore
> the Queen.
You just don't know when to take things with a pinch of salt, do you, Kaz?
If you weren't so deadly serious about your own sense of racial superiority
and your own vendetta against "tokyojaps" perhaps you wouldn't go around
imagining everyone else was full of a sense of racial superiority and you
wouldn't be taking mortal offence at every lighthearted comment people make
about the Kinai.
It really spoils jokes when you have to spell them out to someone who is
lacking in a sense of humour but, just to get it clear about what recessive
genes are, my blue eyes are recessive. They may resurface in a grandchild or
a great-grandchild, but not in my child. Some genes are passed through the
mother only, but sex has nothing intrinsically to do with recessiveness, and
race certainly doesn't either. So-called "racial" genes (so-called because I
accept the modern anthropological viewpoint that there are no "races" among
human beings) are not (as far as I know) necessarily recessive, nor are
genes which do turn out to be recessive in any way inferior to other genes.
A recessive gene is simply a gene that rests dormant for one or two or
sometimes several generations, before resurfacing. Like my blue eyes. And
your father's sense of humour.
> And now, I guess your daughter has inherited your British gene.
How could she? According to you, that is an utterly "racist" suggestion,
since if she carries any Kinai genes those must be dominant. (And, before
you get too carried away, please add a pinch of salt to that!)
> > I'm not accusing you of anything, merely pointing out that Britain was
> > not the last country to perpetrate atrocities of that kind, as you
claimed.
> > Nor am I saying that my family line makes me not racist, simply that I
am
> > not of the white supremacist stock that you imagined.
>
> But your slip of the tongue often makes me nervous, though.
Well, yes, I had noticed you can be...uh...a tad *touchy* at times. ;-)
But these were not slips of the tongue; I've simply said what I meant all
along and you've chosen to interpret things in a certain way.
> you are also sarcastically wild with your words.
Sarcasm is purely negative, the way Japanese people think of "hiniku". In my
culture we use irony in positive ways too, to laugh at ourselves, get other
people to laugh at themselves, to take the heat out of a situation, etc.
There's also a type of irony called satire, which carries the implication
that, however ridiculous people are being, they don't *have* to be like
that, they could act in another, more admirable way.
I am sure I have been ironic, and I may have been satirical, but I don't
think I have been sarcastic. And I haven't been wild about it. I've chosen
my words with care.
I told you what I thought of your exchange of insults with Supertech, and
you responded by trying to put me on the defensive, calling me a racist. I
showed that the grounds for assuming I was racist were false, and you seemed
to accept that. But to me the big deal is not whether *I* am racist, but
whether *you* were crude and offensive.
Conclusion: you *were* and *are* crude and offensive ("wanking tokyojaps",
et cetera, et cetera, et boring bloody cetera).
Now, if you want to call a truce at this stage, that's fine, I have no
further quarrel with you. Call people all the rude names you want, just so
long as you know that, from where I'm sitting, all that kind of name-calling
is subhuman drivel.
But if you want to keep on fighting with a feather, that's fine, too, you go
ahead. I'm afraid you'll find yourself shadow-boxing, though; I've had my
say.
Sheesh. Guess we'd better call off that beer!
Kaz
<snipped>
> I am sure I have been ironic, and I may have been satirical, but I don't
> think I have been sarcastic. And I haven't been wild about it. I've chosen
> my words with care.
But surely you hurted me, so it's sarcasm. I'm very nervous about
people ethnically insult me because of being Kansai-jin.
> I told you what I thought of your exchange of insults with Supertech, and
> you responded by trying to put me on the defensive, calling me a racist. I
> showed that the grounds for assuming I was racist were false, and you seemed
> to accept that. But to me the big deal is not whether *I* am racist, but
> whether *you* were crude and offensive.
>
> Conclusion: you *were* and *are* crude and offensive ("wanking tokyojaps",
> et cetera, et cetera, et boring bloody cetera).
Accorfing to your theory, calling someone as "crude" is an offensive
drivel isn't it?
Tokyojaps, the honorary whites are really offensive and aggressive to
us. I can't do nothing about that. It's not our fault but their own.
They are scornfully calling me and Kansai-jin as Chon(Koreans), and
severely despising us, so I have morally right to despise them. If
they ever stop insulting us, I will stop calling them so.
> Now, if you want to call a truce at this stage, that's fine, I have no
> further quarrel with you. Call people all the rude names you want, just so
> long as you know that, from where I'm sitting, all that kind of name-calling
> is subhuman drivel.
You would have treated us as "subhuman drivel" anyway no matter what I
say.
John Yamamoto-Wilson
> Accorfing to your theory, calling someone as "crude" is an offensive
> drivel isn't it?
No. *This* is subhuman drivel:
> > ugly retarded barbarians
> > former slaves who have a lot of ugly hatred
> > deformed Hun-gooks
> > stinking Hun-gook
> > gook barbarians
> > primitive beast with a full of hatred and inferiority complex
> > you Hun-gook land should be punished.
Calling it crude is fair comment (not to mention bleeding obvious). If you
don't believe me, show it to your mother and see what she calls it.
> Tokyojaps, the honorary whites are really offensive and aggressive to
> us. I can't do nothing about that. It's not our fault but their own.
> They are scornfully calling me and Kansai-jin as Chon(Koreans), and
> severely despising us, so I have morally right to despise them. If
> they ever stop insulting us, I will stop calling them so.
Get real, Kaz. I've lived in and around Tokyo for years, with friends from
all different parts of Japan. The only time I ever heard the word Chon was
you using it in this newsgroup (fjlij).
> But surely you hurted me, so it's sarcasm.
Oh, did I hurt you? And you were being so kind and thoughtful and
considerate to everyone, weren't you? You didn't want to hurt anyone when
you said all that about stinking Hun-gooks and sick self-esteemed offensive
racists, did you? How unfair that *you* should get hurt!
> You would have treated us as "subhuman drivel" anyway no matter what I
> say.
Oh, stop your pathetic whining! For the last time, you are *not* subhuman
drivel, and I have not *treated* you as subhuman drivel. It is your *use of
language* that is subhuman drivel. You are perfectly capable of acting like
a decent human being whenever you choose.
Now dry up. You're giving Kinai a bad name.
Kevin Gowen
> my wife isn't from Kansai. :-)
You have my condolences.
--
Kevin Gowen
Chulsoo Kim
> "Supertech" <ejo...@austin.rr.com> wrote in message news:<GYkza.5779$%e.80...@twister.austin.rr.com>...
>
> > >
> > > No, I'm 100% Japanese. I'm just trying to get along well with those
> > > Korean residents in my hometown and that's all. There are the more
> > > friendly Koreans from Juranamdo and Cheju island than those North
> > > Koreans so I automatically speak for them.
> >
> > Do you and your friends talk about those things all the time?
>
> No, but you should be aware that due to the north Korean affairs, more
> people became interested in the things of peninsula. And the press
> reports about the ugly discrimination against people of Shilla more
> than before because your and Kim Jong Il's strong hatred and racial
> contempt against the innocent Japanese is also strongly related to the
> issue.
>
> > I mean you guys have been bad mouthing Koreans behind their back all those
> > years?
>
> You are a persecution mania. No Japanese is paying attention to the
> Koreans as much as the Koreans paying attention to the Japanese. Most
> of Korean residents live as ordinary Japanese citizens. Only some ugly
> Korean like Chulsoo Kim and North Koreans threaten with violence.
> Pulling the Japanese to a back alley.......and they are Yakuza.
Your constant invoking of my name is nothing more than a TOKYO JAPPIE
plot!
I hereby sentence you to be mercilessly pelted by pachinko balls until
you regain your senses, you webfooted kinai heathen!
Kaz
You are invoking my name with all those offensive people more than I
do. So what's the matter with it?
Are you trying to threaten me again?
> I hereby sentence you to be mercilessly pelted by pachinko balls until
> you regain your senses, you webfooted kinai heathen!
Chulsoo Kim is a North Korean spy smuggling into our land by a small
boat camouflaged as a fishing boat to maneuver his boss Kim Jong Il's
plot.
Probably he is smuggling drugs to gain our currency.
Hey Kim, release all those our people you had abducted so far
immediately. And never smuggle into our land!
Kaz
> OK, my *final* word (promise ya, soc.hist!).
>
> > Accorfing to your theory, calling someone as "crude" is an offensive
> > drivel isn't it?
>
> No. *This* is subhuman drivel:
So, according to your theory defining that a racist who call someone
subhuman is subhuman, your comment is subhuman drivel.
> > > ugly retarded barbarians
> > > former slaves who have a lot of ugly hatred
> > > deformed Hun-gooks
> > > stinking Hun-gook
> > > gook barbarians
> > > primitive beast with a full of hatred and inferiority complex
> > > you Hun-gook land should be punished.
>
> Calling it crude is fair comment (not to mention bleeding obvious). If you
> don't believe me, show it to your mother and see what she calls it.
No, it's a negative word and aggressive. It's only fair to subhuman
like you.
> > Tokyojaps, the honorary whites are really offensive and aggressive to
> > us. I can't do nothing about that. It's not our fault but their own.
> > They are scornfully calling me and Kansai-jin as Chon(Koreans), and
> > severely despising us, so I have morally right to despise them. If
> > they ever stop insulting us, I will stop calling them so.
>
> Get real, Kaz. I've lived in and around Tokyo for years, with friends from
> all different parts of Japan. The only time I ever heard the word Chon was
> you using it in this newsgroup (fjlij).
All those tokyojaps in fj.soc.politics have been calling me as "chon"
for years though.
> > But surely you hurted me, so it's sarcasm.
>
> Oh, did I hurt you? And you were being so kind and thoughtful and
> considerate to everyone, weren't you? You didn't want to hurt anyone when
> you said all that about stinking Hun-gooks and sick self-esteemed offensive
> racists, did you? How unfair that *you* should get hurt!
Admitting the phenomenon of your being nervous about the term
"Hun-gooks" and "sick self-esteemed offensive racists" would prove
that you are either a "Hun" or a "sick self-esteemed offensive
racist".
> > You would have treated us as "subhuman drivel" anyway no matter what I
> > say.
>
> Oh, stop your pathetic whining! For the last time, you are *not* subhuman
> drivel, and I have not *treated* you as subhuman drivel. It is your *use of
> language* that is subhuman drivel. You are perfectly capable of acting like
> a decent human being whenever you choose.
>
> Now dry up. You're giving Kinai a bad name.
Thanks a lot for commenting about my partially being *not* subhuman.
John Yamamoto-Wilson
> > OK, my *final* word (promise ya, soc.hist!).
Hadn't noticed soc.history had already been trimmed from the header. Well,
I'll trim soc.culture.german, since it's got little enough to do with them.
The rest of you'll just have to put up with me. Sorry, but this guy just
keeps coming back, and since I believe that where there's life there's hope
I've just got to keep talking to him!
Kaz wrote:
> So, according to your theory defining that a racist who call someone
> subhuman is subhuman, your comment is subhuman drivel.
What?! Don't you *ever* listen?! The main point of my last half dozen
postings is the exact opposite!! A racist who calls someone subhuman is
*not* subhuman. The comment "subhuman drivel" is directed at the *use of
language*, not at the person.
Racial insult = subhuman drivel because it is directed against *people*
*Calling* racial insults subhuman drivel does *not* = subhuman drivel
because it is *not* directed against people.
Got it?
> > Calling it crude is fair comment
>
> No, it's a negative word and aggressive.
Really? Well, you would know all about "negative" and "aggressive" words,
wouldn't you, since your postings are full of them.
> It's only fair to subhuman like you.
Now, *that's* subhuman drivel, because it's directed at a person (me, in
this case). It's the language of insult, not the language of reason. If it
makes you feel better to use it, go ahead. But it's still subhuman drivel.
> All those tokyojaps in fj.soc.politics have been calling me as "chon"
> for years though.
Probably because they know it winds you up. If they were like most of the
Japanese I know, though, they would take the view that it is the person who
*uses* the insults who looks bad, not the person being insulted.
> > You didn't want to hurt anyone when
> > you said all that about stinking Hun-gooks and sick self-esteemed
offensive
> > racists, did you? How unfair that *you* should get hurt!
>
> Admitting the phenomenon of your being nervous about the term
> "Hun-gooks" and "sick self-esteemed offensive racists" would prove
> that you are either a "Hun" or a "sick self-esteemed offensive
> racist".
But I'm not nervous about it, Kaz. I know you *intended* it to be hurtful,
but to me it's just sick.
And one point from an earlier posting:
> But surely you hurted me, so it's sarcasm. I'm very nervous about
> people ethnically insult me because of being Kansai-jin.
If I have hurt you it's not because you are Kansai-jin. It's because you
insult everyone else's ethnicity, but are so nervous about being "ethnically
insulted" yourself that you imagine insults where there are none (just how
have I insulted you ethnically, Kaz?). It's because you can't see the
difference between insults (directed at people) and criticism (directed at
people's arguments and use of language). It's because you want to scream
hatred at the world, and can't face being told that the problem is not the
world but your hatred.
Kaz
> I wrote:
>
> > > OK, my *final* word (promise ya, soc.hist!).
>
> Hadn't noticed soc.history had already been trimmed from the header. Well,
> I'll trim soc.culture.german, since it's got little enough to do with them.
> The rest of you'll just have to put up with me. Sorry, but this guy just
> keeps coming back, and since I believe that where there's life there's hope
> I've just got to keep talking to him!
What a self-centered person you are! Don't you see that you are ALSO
the one that keeps coming back from an objective view point? Please
don't be serious against this comment because I'm just laughing.
> Kaz wrote:
>
> > So, according to your theory defining that a racist who call someone
> > subhuman is subhuman, your comment is subhuman drivel.
>
> What?! Don't you *ever* listen?! The main point of my last half dozen
> postings is the exact opposite!! A racist who calls someone subhuman is
> *not* subhuman. The comment "subhuman drivel" is directed at the *use of
> language*, not at the person.
Ok, since you are the one who establishs that theory. I don't care
about being a subhuman anymore. Whatever you call me, it would be fine
for me.
> Racial insult = subhuman drivel because it is directed against *people*
> *Calling* racial insults subhuman drivel does *not* = subhuman drivel
> because it is *not* directed against people.
>
> Got it?
Ok, because you are the king of this castle.
> > > Calling it crude is fair comment
> >
> > No, it's a negative word and aggressive.
>
> Really? Well, you would know all about "negative" and "aggressive" words,
> wouldn't you, since your postings are full of them.
Because I was upset about Supertech's postings.
> > It's only fair to subhuman like you.
>
> Now, *that's* subhuman drivel, because it's directed at a person (me, in
> this case). It's the language of insult, not the language of reason. If it
> makes you feel better to use it, go ahead. But it's still subhuman drivel.
Yes, you are the king of this castle.
> > All those tokyojaps in fj.soc.politics have been calling me as "chon"
> > for years though.
>
> Probably because they know it winds you up. If they were like most of the
> Japanese I know, though, they would take the view that it is the person who
> *uses* the insults who looks bad, not the person being insulted.
People tend to have different humanity from what they are in the real
society when they are on internet. But many tokyojaps show their
aggressive attitudes against kansai-jin even in right front of me in
the real society.
> > > You didn't want to hurt anyone when
> > > you said all that about stinking Hun-gooks and sick self-esteemed
> offensive
> > > racists, did you? How unfair that *you* should get hurt!
Those Koreans racists are having sick superiority complex against us,
such as calling us like Midgets. They are extremely despising us and
looking down on us so it will not hurt any of them, I think. You
should be aware that traditionally the Koreans look down on us
severely like calling us with a quite derogatory term such as
"Joppari". And that's why I'm ironically using the term "Huns" because
Huns are the well-known tribe that has an extreme sick superiority
complex. It's true that the Koreans are well-influenced people by
Huns. Maybe they really have Hun's blood.
> > Admitting the phenomenon of your being nervous about the term
> > "Hun-gooks" and "sick self-esteemed offensive racists" would prove
> > that you are either a "Hun" or a "sick self-esteemed offensive
> > racist".
>
> But I'm not nervous about it, Kaz. I know you *intended* it to be hurtful,
> but to me it's just sick.
But complaining too much about it makes you seem like you are nervous.
> And one point from an earlier posting:
>
> > But surely you hurted me, so it's sarcasm. I'm very nervous about
> > people ethnically insult me because of being Kansai-jin.
>
> If I have hurt you it's not because you are Kansai-jin. It's because you
> insult everyone else's ethnicity,
I don't think I insulted anyone besides the ethnocentric racist
Koreans.
> but are so nervous about being "ethnically
> insulted" yourself that you imagine insults where there are none (just how
> have I insulted you ethnically, Kaz?).
You have insulted with stating as "Osakan's genes are recessive".
> It's because you can't see the
> difference between insults (directed at people) and criticism (directed at
> people's arguments and use of language). It's because you want to scream
> hatred at the world, and can't face being told that the problem is not the
> world but your hatred.
No matter how you claim it's criticism, it's just insults if you ever
hurt an individual.
I don't have any hatred at the world and I don't want to scream
either. Don't speculate about me.
Some people in the world are having hatred against the Japanese or
Kansai-jin. And that's the issue. I see many biased point of view in
your comments.
And..... Would you be not so serious about it? I feel like you are
ranting and am getting tired about arguing. Just take a deep breath
and relax....
Kaz
> If I have hurt you it's not because you are Kansai-jin. It's because you
> insult everyone else's ethnicity, but are so nervous about being "ethnically
> insulted" yourself that you imagine insults where there are none (just how
> have I insulted you ethnically, Kaz?). It's because you can't see the
> difference between insults (directed at people) and criticism (directed at
> people's arguments and use of language). It's because you want to scream
> hatred at the world, and can't face being told that the problem is not the
> world but your hatred.
I forgot to mention that you should see a psychiatrist if you really
daydream like I'm wishing to scream hatred at the world.
Kaz
> "Dave Fossett" wrote...
> > "Kaz" <k...@ivebeenframed.com> wrote:
> >
> > > http://travel.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/chiri/1041501233/372
> > >
> > > I can't find where this report originally came from, but I don't think
> > > this is a fabrication.
> >
> > "I read it on 2-Channel so it must be true."
>
> Yup. And Kasu-kun doesn't even know what "kangen litsu" means in
> Japanese anyway, or what portion of public expenditure is devoted
> to social security, public works or debt refinancing in various
> regions...
>
Hey John, do you see this? "Kasu-kun". This is how wanking tokyojap
Ken abuses me. I'm not bullshitting. Tookyojaps are really ugly. Also
I remember that another tokyojap woman called Cindy has been calling
me like that. That's what they do. They deserve to being called as
tokyojaps to me.
From subhuman Kaz
Kevin Gowen
>
> my child is as much Japanese as British
Somewhere, a dentist is dreaming of a vacation home and a new boat.
--
Kevin Gowen
John Yamamoto-Wilson
> > my child is as much Japanese as British
Kevin Gowen commented:
> Somewhere, a dentist is dreaming of a vacation home and a new boat.
I must be getting dense in my old age, but I cannot make head nor tail of
Kevin's reply.
John Yamamoto-Wilson
> I forgot to mention that you should see a psychiatrist if you really
> daydream like I'm wishing to scream hatred at the world.
And what would the psychiatrist tell me? That "wanking tokyojaps", "gook
barbarians" and all the other insults you fill your postings with are really
messages of love and compassion?
John Yamamoto-Wilson
> Hey John, do you see this? "Kasu-kun". This is how wanking tokyojap
> Ken abuses me. I'm not bullshitting. Tookyojaps are really ugly. Also
> I remember that another tokyojap woman called Cindy has been calling
> me like that. That's what they do. They deserve to being called as
> tokyojaps to me.
>
> From subhuman Kaz
Kaz, if he insults you he is acting in a low-grade way. Then, if you insult
him back, you are *both* acting in a low-grade way. This is not a comment on
your ethnicity, or his. It's just a comment about human behaviour.
John Yamamoto-Wilson
> What a self-centered person you are! Don't you see that you are ALSO
> the one that keeps coming back from an objective view point? Please
> don't be serious against this comment because I'm just laughing.
Of course you are right about this. I just don't like giving up hope that we
can get to some kind of agreement here. I don't want to be the king of the
castle! (But it's nice to know you *do* sometimes laugh!)
> You have insulted with stating as "Osakan's genes are recessive".
Kaz, if that is really the reason why this thread is dragging on and on,
then I apologise. That comment was intended purely in a light-hearted way,
and the word recessive in biology has nothing to do with being inferior or
anything like that.
I'm sorry you took it that way, and since you *did* take it that way I'm
sorry I said it. I know now I can't joke with you, which is sad. Or perhaps,
once you know me better, you'll come to understand my humour better.
> I don't think I insulted anyone besides the ethnocentric racist
> Koreans.
Well, that's where you *started*. Once you got going you broadened things
out a little. But what you say here reminds me of a child I once knew who,
at the age of three, used to boast proudly, "I don't bite. I only bite
Jessica [the little girl next door]!" She's grown up now, and doesn't bite
Derek Smallsbury
>I wrote:
>
>> > my child is as much Japanese as British
>
>Kevin Gowen commented:
>
>> Somewhere, a dentist is dreaming of a vacation home and a new boat.
>
>I must be getting dense in my old age, but I cannot make head nor tail of
>Kevin's reply.
The British and Japanese are well known for their conceitedness.
Unlike their American counterparts they spend vast sums of money
investing in dental engineering to shuffle their teeth around so as to
correct natures imperfections.
Given this premise a person of mixed culture (UK/JP) would consider
tooth rearrangement as prime importance involving huge expenditure in
tooth haulage. Hence, the reference to the acquisitive dentist!
Alternatively, it could be that Kevin is confused. In attempting to
exploit racial stereotypes (how noble) in American eyes - that British
and Japanese have bad teeth. But instead is inadvertantly (and
unfortunately) reinforcing another stereotype - that Americans are
vain, stupid and don't understand irony.
Dave Fossett
> The British and Japanese are well known for their conceitedness.
> Unlike their American counterparts they spend vast sums of money
> investing in dental engineering to shuffle their teeth around so as to
> correct natures imperfections.
Really? I thought both the Japanese and British were more reluctant than
their American counterparts to spend money on correcting their teeth, which
is why they have picked up the reputation for "bad teeth".
Derek Smallsbury
Hmm. When you put it like that it seems I might have gotten things a
might confuzed. It's that durned iruny twistin and turnin thangs in
ma noggin. Shee-it a wish a wuz an amercun so it wud go rite ova ma
heed.
Ryan Ginstrom
"Derek Smallsbury" <derek.sm...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:oum7dvorgm5b40vdh...@4ax.com...
> unfortunately) reinforcing another stereotype - that Americans are
> vain, stupid and don't understand irony.
Well, the irony bit is certainly true. As to stupid, I was always told it
was a personal deficiency, but if it were a national trait it would explain
a lot. But who needs irony, anyway? Have you ever noticed that only commies
and socialists (that's what they call commies in Europe) use irony?
One thing I like so much about Japan is that they understand irony even less
than Americans, if that is possible.
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Kevin Gowen
> Alternatively, it could be that Kevin is confused. In attempting to
> exploit racial stereotypes (how noble) in American eyes - that British
> and Japanese have bad teeth.
"British" and "Japanese" are races?
--
Kevin Gowen