Gay stereotypes in Evangelion.
goat
look and portrayed in a stereotypical way??
Maya is butch and boyish looking (short hair, flat chest, she dresses like a
guy too). She knows a lot about how to fix things and her voice is almost
gruff for a woman. I wasnt surprised to read that we later find out that she
is a lesbian - she looks like a dyke.
Kaoru is drawn to look effeminate, he acts camp, likes 'arty' things (eg
classical music), makes blatant come-ons to Shinji, minces around and has
what I can only call a "faggy" voice.
Do the writers and character disigners have no better way to show that these
people are gay without resorting to all these crappy cliches??
Farix
news:104568856...@iris.uk.clara.net...
> Has anyone else noticed that the homosexual characters (Maya and Kaoru)
are
> look and portrayed in a stereotypical way??
>
> Maya is butch and boyish looking (short hair, flat chest, she dresses like
a
> guy too). She knows a lot about how to fix things and her voice is almost
> gruff for a woman. I wasnt surprised to read that we later find out that
she
> is a lesbian - she looks like a dyke.
Maya is a lesbian? When did this come out? *sniffs*
> Kaoru is drawn to look effeminate, he acts camp, likes 'arty' things (eg
> classical music), makes blatant come-ons to Shinji, minces around and has
> what I can only call a "faggy" voice.
But then Kaoru is strange to begin with. PERIOD <rot13>Ur vf na natry nsgre
nyy.</rot13>
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Ethan Hammond
>
> Has anyone else noticed that the homosexual characters (Maya and Kaoru) are
> look and portrayed in a stereotypical way??
>
> Maya is butch and boyish looking (short hair, flat chest, she dresses like a
> guy too). She knows a lot about how to fix things and her voice is almost
> gruff for a woman. I wasnt surprised to read that we later find out that she
> is a lesbian - she looks like a dyke.
I don't even remember who this character was.
> Kaoru is drawn to look effeminate, he acts camp, likes 'arty' things (eg
> classical music), makes blatant come-ons to Shinji, minces around and has
> what I can only call a "faggy" voice.
I don't think he is supposed to be gay.
> Do the writers and character disigners have no better way to show that these
> people are gay without resorting to all these crappy cliches??
Stereotypes in anime? I won't stand for this.
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Chika
Here's a chair...
Better? :)
As for goat's observations, is he talking about the sub or the dub? The
makers have little control over the dubbing, so if it sounds "faggy",
tough! The rest can all be attributed to the cultural differences, as
being (rather forcefully) argued in the Pretty Sammy/Mihoshi Special
thread on raam, at least that is how I see it.
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Arnold Kim
"Ethan Hammond" <esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> > Do the writers and character disigners have no better way to show that
these
> > people are gay without resorting to all these crappy cliches??
>
> Stereotypes in anime? I won't stand for this.
What about the "all catgirls are cute" stereotype?:)
Arnold Kim
Matt Durrant
"goat" <go...@goat.goat> wrote in message
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are
> look and portrayed in a stereotypical way??
>
> Maya is butch and boyish looking (short hair, flat chest, she dresses like
a
> guy too). She knows a lot about how to fix things and her voice is almost
> gruff for a woman. I wasnt surprised to read that we later find out that
she
> is a lesbian - she looks like a dyke.
like she was homosexual (IMHO), unlike stereotypes. She was just a
character, and her sexuality didn't really make that much difference to
the plot, and they just didn't bother making her a token lesbian.
> Kaoru is drawn to look effeminate, he acts camp, likes 'arty' things (eg
> classical music), makes blatant come-ons to Shinji, minces around and has
> what I can only call a "faggy" voice.
Weell... Kaoru is an Angel, so I'm not really sure that he could be gay.
I have two theories - 1) growing up in SEELE HQ (probably shaped like a
decahedron
or something), he didn't really get that much contact with the rest of the
world,
and so doesn't conform to our "standards" of how heterosexual people should
act.
2) he was written specfically to be at the opposite end of the character
spectrum
from Rei - instead of cold, shy, and quiet, brash, outgoing, and load.
I could go onto talking about hidden themes of male supremecy or something,
but that'd just be silly.
Blade
> In article <3E53FA...@worldnet.att.net>,
> Ethan Hammond <esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> Stereotypes in anime? I won't stand for this.
>
> Here's a chair...
>
> Better? :)
>
> As for goat's observations, is he talking about the sub or the dub? The
> makers have little control over the dubbing, so if it sounds "faggy",
> tough! The rest can all be attributed to the cultural differences, as
> being (rather forcefully) argued in the Pretty Sammy/Mihoshi Special
> thread on raam, at least that is how I see it.
Uh...whether you believe Kaoru is gay or not, it's still pretty obvious
he's being portrayed in such a way to make you think he is.
(As for Maya, as I understand it, that's in the movie. In the series she
hardly does anything.)
Blade
Nargun
> "goat" <go...@goat.goat> wrote in message
> news:104568856...@iris.uk.clara.net...
> > Has anyone else noticed that the homosexual characters (Maya and Kaoru)
> are
> > look and portrayed in a stereotypical way??
> >
> > Maya is butch and boyish looking (short hair, flat chest, she dresses like
> a
> > guy too). She knows a lot about how to fix things and her voice is almost
> > gruff for a woman. I wasnt surprised to read that we later find out that
> she
> > is a lesbian - she looks like a dyke.
>
> Maya is a lesbian? When did this come out? *sniffs*
EoE, about five seconds before she goes orange. But all three of the
bridge bunnies [maya, shigeru, and that other dude] are complete cyphers
anyway.
Louis
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Psaiyan Prince Vegeta
<esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>goat wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone else noticed that the homosexual characters (Maya and Kaoru) are
>> look and portrayed in a stereotypical way??
>>
>> Maya is butch and boyish looking (short hair, flat chest, she dresses like a
>> guy too). She knows a lot about how to fix things and her voice is almost
>> gruff for a woman. I wasnt surprised to read that we later find out that she
>> is a lesbian - she looks like a dyke.
>
>I don't even remember who this character was.
Ritsuko's Videl-esque assistant who seemed to enjoy working for her a
little too much.
>> Kaoru is drawn to look effeminate, he acts camp, likes 'arty' things (eg
>> classical music), makes blatant come-ons to Shinji, minces around and has
>> what I can only call a "faggy" voice.
>
>I don't think he is supposed to be gay.
The line in which he claims to love Shinji is apparently a lot more
ambigious in the Japanese version.
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<lou...@student.unimelb.edu.au> wrote:
>EoE, about five seconds before she goes orange. But all three of the
>bridge bunnies [maya, shigeru, and that other dude] are complete cyphers
>anyway.
Which one was Shigeru anyway, the nerdy looking one with glasses or
the guy with long hair? I can't say that I actually cared about either
of them.
Nargun
> On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:55:12 +1100, Nargun
> <lou...@student.unimelb.edu.au> wrote:
>
>
> >EoE, about five seconds before she goes orange. But all three of the
> >bridge bunnies [maya, shigeru, and that other dude] are complete cyphers
> >anyway.
>
> Which one was Shigeru anyway, the nerdy looking one with glasses or
> the guy with long hair? I can't say that I actually cared about either
> of them.
The long-haired one. I think. The name "aoba" is also floating around in
my head; it could be the other guy's given name, it could be shigeru's
surname. not sure.
Psaiyan Prince Vegeta
<lou...@student.unimelb.edu.au> wrote:
>The long-haired one. I think. The name "aoba" is also floating around in
>my head; it could be the other guy's given name, it could be shigeru's
>surname. not sure.
Well, let's review what we know about these two guys:
Nerd with glasses: Works at NERV, reads hentai manga, fancies Misato.
Long-haired guy: Works at NERV, plays the guitar, <ROT13> cbffvoyl
snapvrf Erv (whqtvat ol gur fprar va RbR jurer rirelbar vf
pbzcyvzragrq ol gur bowrpg bs gurve nssrpgvba) </ROT13>
Frank White
says...
Throws up from the horror of what's going on, occasionally.
And seems to actually have sympathy for the Children.
FW
Frank White
>
>Has anyone else noticed that the homosexual characters (Maya and Kaoru) are
>look and portrayed in a stereotypical way??
>
>Maya is butch and boyish looking (short hair, flat chest, she dresses like
a
>guy too). She knows a lot about how to fix things and her voice is almost
>gruff for a woman. I wasnt surprised to read that we later find out that
she
>is a lesbian - she looks like a dyke.
ACK!!
(begins clubbing Goat with the Lance of Longinus for being hostile
towards sweet, gentle Maya)
>Kaoru is drawn to look effeminate, he acts camp, likes 'arty' things (eg
>classical music), makes blatant come-ons to Shinji, minces around and has
>what I can only call a "faggy" voice.
And this is bad because...?
>Do the writers
Writer
>and character disigners have no better way to show that these
>people are gay without resorting to all these crappy cliches??
First, Kaworu's sexual orientation is uncertain, and he may
not even have one. When he says he loves Shinji, it's not a
sexual come-on; he really DOES love Shinji, as he loves all
mankind.
Second, how would you want Anno to clue us in to his characters'
sexual preferences? Sadwich boards? Pink triangles?
Third... Who cares?
FW
Ethan Hammond
>
> "Ethan Hammond" <esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:3E53FA...@worldnet.att.net..
>
> these
> > > people are gay without resorting to all these crappy cliches??
> >
> > Stereotypes in anime? I won't stand for this.
>
> What about the "all catgirls are cute" stereotype?:)
Its not a stereotype if thats the way it is IRL sir!!!!
*SHAKES FIST*
Ethan Hammond
> >I don't think he is supposed to be gay.
>
> The line in which he claims to love Shinji is apparently a lot more
> ambigious in the Japanese version.
I've only seen the Japanese version. Can't guys shower together
and sleep in the same room and bond without sexuality being
brought into it!!!! *SHAKES FIST*
Zlmndra
are
> > look and portrayed in a stereotypical way??
> > Maya is butch and boyish looking (short hair, flat chest, she dresses
like a
> > guy too). She knows a lot about how to fix things and her voice is
almost
> > gruff for a woman. I wasnt surprised to read that we later find out that
she
> > is a lesbian - she looks like a dyke.
I think I'd disagree here... at least in the dub, she wasn't gruff at all.
And to me at least she seems feminine... not the over-the-top, huge breasted
women that sometimes are portrayed in anime (note: compare Naru from Love
Hina in the manga, then the anime). The kind of sweet girl I'd like. Just
because her hair is short, and she hasn't got a massively developed bosom
doesn't make her any less feminine than Misato or Ritsuko.
Re: her fixing things: well, she does kind of work in the tech department...
is it so strange she is qualified to do her job? :)
> I don't even remember who this character was.
>
> > Kaoru is drawn to look effeminate, he acts camp, likes 'arty' things (eg
> > classical music), makes blatant come-ons to Shinji, minces around and
has
> > what I can only call a "faggy" voice.
>
> I don't think he is supposed to be gay.
Er.. well, he does sound kinda gayish, especially when he asks Shinji if he
has to go to bed with him. ;^_^ But then again, he *is* an angel, so gender
may not really apply to him as much.
Regards,
Z
5parrowhawk
> I think I'd disagree here... at least in the dub, [Maya] wasn't gruff at all.
> And to me at least she seems feminine... not the over-the-top, huge breasted
> women that sometimes are portrayed in anime (note: compare Naru from Love
> Hina in the manga, then the anime). The kind of sweet girl I'd like. Just
> because her hair is short, and she hasn't got a massively developed bosom
> doesn't make her any less feminine than Misato or Ritsuko.
Actually Maya happens to be a very, very appealing character, kind of
sweet, and her voice is anything but gruff in the original version. IMO
she's actually more feminine in some ways than either of the above.
- 5parrow
Psaiyan Prince Vegeta
Except when she is drawn really badly in some of the later episodes
and ends up looking like Shinji with breasts...
Rudolf Polzer
> Arnold Kim wrote:
> > "Ethan Hammond" <esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:3E53FA...@worldnet.att.net..
> >
> > > > Do the writers and character disigners have no better way to show that these
> > > > people are gay without resorting to all these crappy cliches??
> > >
> > > Stereotypes in anime? I won't stand for this.
> >
> > What about the "all catgirls are cute" stereotype?:)
>
> Its not a stereotype if thats the way it is IRL sir!!!!
> *SHAKES FIST*
So you have seen one IRL?
SCNR
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"Psaiyan Prince Vegeta" <ppve...@hotmail.communism> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 23:05:55 +0800, 5parrowhawk
> <remove...@nathuangatsingnet.com.sg> wrote:
>
> >Zlmndra wrote:
> >> I think I'd disagree here... at least in the dub, [Maya] wasn't gruff
at all.
> >> And to me at least she seems feminine... not the over-the-top, huge
breasted
> >> women that sometimes are portrayed in anime (note: compare Naru from
Love
> >> Hina in the manga, then the anime). The kind of sweet girl I'd like.
Just
> >> because her hair is short, and she hasn't got a massively developed
bosom
> >> doesn't make her any less feminine than Misato or Ritsuko.
> >
> >Actually Maya happens to be a very, very appealing character, kind of
> >sweet, and her voice is anything but gruff in the original version. IMO
> >she's actually more feminine in some ways than either of the above.
>
> Except when she is drawn really badly in some of the later episodes
> and ends up looking like Shinji with breasts...
My friend saw some Maya hentai and thought it _was_ Shinji with breasts.
Psaiyan Prince Vegeta
<esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Psaiyan Prince Vegeta wrote:
>
>> >I don't think he is supposed to be gay.
>>
>> The line in which he claims to love Shinji is apparently a lot more
>> ambigious in the Japanese version.
>
>I've only seen the Japanese version. Can't guys shower together
>and sleep in the same room and bond without sexuality being
>brought into it!!!! *SHAKES FIST*
Heh. For all we know they could have been drinking beer, shooting pool
and chasing skirt too, just that we never saw it...
Amani
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are
> look and portrayed in a stereotypical way??
*...sighs*
> Maya is butch and boyish looking (short hair, flat chest, she dresses like
a
> guy too). She knows a lot about how to fix things and her voice is almost
> gruff for a woman. I wasnt surprised to read that we later find out that
she
> is a lesbian - she looks like a dyke.
OHMYGODSHORTHAIR! ...do you realize that it's far more rare for a woman to
have /long/ hair nowadays? And when does Maya ever dress like a guy? She's
usually dressed in her Nerv uniform, which she doesn't have much of a choice
about, and (although I'll admit that it's high time for me to rewatch the
series), I don't recall her ever dressing in overtly masculine clothing. And
her voice? Her ORIGINAL VOICE is an extremely sweet, feminine voice that
could NEVER be called gruff.
> Kaoru is drawn to look effeminate, he acts camp, likes 'arty' things (eg
> classical music), makes blatant come-ons to Shinji, minces around and has
> what I can only call a "faggy" voice.
Kaworu's always a touchy subject. How do we KNOW he's even homosexual? He's
an angel, for one thing, a very ambiguous character, but he loves /all/
mankind. He's almost a representation of God's unconditional love. And I can
only assume that you're referring to the dub voice (*blech*).
--Taryn
goat
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> >Kaoru is drawn to look effeminate, he acts camp, likes 'arty' things (eg
> >classical music), makes blatant come-ons to Shinji, minces around and has
> >what I can only call a "faggy" voice.
>
> And this is bad because...?
>
Cause it's a really cheap shot and takes no effort to write this way.
Arnold Kim
"Rudolf Polzer" <AntiATFiel...@durchnull.de> wrote in message
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> Scripsit ille aut illa Ethan Hammond« <esha...@worldnet.att.net>:
> > Arnold Kim wrote:
> > > "Ethan Hammond" <esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > > > Do the writers and character disigners have no better way to show
that these
> > > > > people are gay without resorting to all these crappy cliches??
> > > >
> > > > Stereotypes in anime? I won't stand for this.
> > >
> > > What about the "all catgirls are cute" stereotype?:)
> >
> > Its not a stereotype if thats the way it is IRL sir!!!!
> > *SHAKES FIST*
>
> So you have seen one IRL?
Don't you know? He has one.
Arnold Kim
roshnikasumo
"5parrowhawk" <remove...@nathuangatsingnet.com.sg> wrote in message
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The OP's concept of 'Butch' BTW is a Western one. The only sterotype I think
Maya possibly fits under is the senpai-adorating type, right down to the
apparent crush implied in the movie. Maya is much more a generic cute
Japanese lady (youngish, works hard, cute voice, short hair, short height),
and in no way would be mistaken for a 'butch' character. (Hell, it's not
even getting into the fact many other series -- shoujo rampantly ^^ -- have
'masculine'-looking women who're nearly all quite lovely/handsome.)
roshnikasumo
"Psaiyan Prince Vegeta" <ppve...@hotmail.communism> wrote in message
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> <remove...@nathuangatsingnet.com.sg> wrote:
>
> >Zlmndra wrote:
> >> I think I'd disagree here... at least in the dub, [Maya] wasn't gruff
at all.
> >> And to me at least she seems feminine... not the over-the-top, huge
breasted
> >> women that sometimes are portrayed in anime (note: compare Naru from
Love
> >> Hina in the manga, then the anime). The kind of sweet girl I'd like.
Just
> >> because her hair is short, and she hasn't got a massively developed
bosom
> >> doesn't make her any less feminine than Misato or Ritsuko.
> >
> >Actually Maya happens to be a very, very appealing character, kind of
> >sweet, and her voice is anything but gruff in the original version. IMO
> >she's actually more feminine in some ways than either of the above.
>
> Except when she is drawn really badly in some of the later episodes
> and ends up looking like Shinji with breasts...
Or vice versa. Anyone remember back in the early volumes of EVA manga with
the infamous comparison drawing of Nadia and Shinji? <g>
roshnikasumo
<snip>
>
> >> Kaoru is drawn to look effeminate, he acts camp, likes 'arty' things
(eg
> >> classical music), makes blatant come-ons to Shinji, minces around and
has
> >> what I can only call a "faggy" voice.
Well, that's fairly insulting. :P He has a bishounen voice tho, yeah.
> >
> >I don't think he is supposed to be gay.
>
> The line in which he claims to love Shinji is apparently a lot more
> ambigious in the Japanese version.
'Suspicion' (I think arguiong the thing is both moot and rather stupid) is
exerbated by the fact his exceptional (male) voiceactor is Akira Ishida, who
infamously plays a lot of famous bishounen characters and sometimes outright
effeminate men, usually jobs reserved for women.
Fish Eye no Miko
news:3e555...@news.teranews.com...
> > The line in which he claims to love Shinji is apparently a lot
> > more ambigious in the Japanese version.
>
> 'Suspicion' (I think arguiong the thing is both moot and rather stupid)
> is exerbated by the fact his exceptional (male) voiceactor is Akira
> Ishida, who infamously plays a lot of famous bishounen characters
> and sometimes outright effeminate men, usually jobs reserved for
> women.
And at least two men I can think of who were openly attracted to men, Fish
Eye from SMSS and Mizuki from _Level-C_.
Catherine Johnson.
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>
> Scripsit ille aut illa Ethan Hammond« <esha...@worldnet.att.net>:
> > Arnold Kim wrote:
> > > "Ethan Hammond" <esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:3E53FA...@worldnet.att.net.
> > >
> > > > > people are gay without resorting to all these crappy cliches??
> > > >
> > > > Stereotypes in anime? I won't stand for this.
> > >
> > > What about the "all catgirls are cute" stereotype?:)
> >
> > Its not a stereotype if thats the way it is IRL sir!!!!
> > *SHAKES FIST*
>
> So you have seen one IRL?
Have you seen A Beautiful Mind? Its kind of like that, only
with catgirls.
Ethan Hammond
>
> On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 06:08:33 GMT, Ethan Hammond
> <esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >Psaiyan Prince Vegeta wrote:
> >
> >> >I don't think he is supposed to be gay.
> >>
> >> The line in which he claims to love Shinji is apparently a lot more
> >> ambigious in the Japanese version.
> >
> >I've only seen the Japanese version. Can't guys shower together
> >and sleep in the same room and bond without sexuality being
> >brought into it!!!! *SHAKES FIST*
>
> Heh. For all we know they could have been drinking beer, shooting pool
> and chasing skirt too, just that we never saw it...
And if Shinji is gay its because his dad was too soft on him.
Ethan Hammond
>
> "Rudolf Polzer" <AntiATFiel...@durchnull.de> wrote in message
> news:slrnb5a35q.ter.Ant...@katsuragi.durchnull.ath.cx..
> > > Arnold Kim wrote:
> > > > "Ethan Hammond" <esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:3E53FA...@worldnet.att.net.
> > > >
> that these
> > > > > > people are gay without resorting to all these crappy cliches??
> > > > >
> > > > > Stereotypes in anime? I won't stand for this.
> > > >
> > > > What about the "all catgirls are cute" stereotype?:)
> > >
> > > Its not a stereotype if thats the way it is IRL sir!!!!
> > > *SHAKES FIST*
> >
> > So you have seen one IRL?
>
> Don't you know? He has one.
For more on catgirls see this documentary:
http://us.imdb.com/Title?0108307
Peter Svensson
> Has anyone else noticed that the homosexual characters (Maya and Kaoru) are
> look and portrayed in a stereotypical way??
>
> guy too). She knows a lot about how to fix things and her voice is almost
> gruff for a woman. I wasnt surprised to read that we later find out that she
> is a lesbian - she looks like a dyke.
She's not. At least, her voice actress has gone on record as saying
that she doesn't believe Maya is a lesbian. Needing a person is not
the same as romantic love.
> Kaoru is drawn to look effeminate, he acts camp, likes 'arty' things (eg
> classical music), makes blatant come-ons to Shinji, minces around and has
> what I can only call a "faggy" voice.
Technically, he's not gay either. In the Drama Episode, written by
Anno, Asuka accuses him of being gay multiple times, and Kaworu denies
it saying that you shouldn't spread rumors. And then he and Rei have a
tender moment...
While yes, you are supposed to get the impression that he is gay,
Kaworu is more and less than homosexual. He'd react the same to Shinji
if he had been female. Kaworu is just a kind loving person.
It seems to me that you are just putting your own stereotypes on these
characters. The woman doesn't have long hair, she must be a lesbian.
Peter Svensson | http://www.comicboards.com/manga
roshnikasumo
> I think I'd disagree here... at least in the dub, she wasn't gruff at all.
> And to me at least she seems feminine... not the over-the-top, huge
breasted
> women that sometimes are portrayed in anime (note: compare Naru from Love
> Hina in the manga, then the anime).
Speaking of breasts, while I'm aware the manga&OAV follow the artstyle of
Akamastu and the anime did some simplifying. Was it just me or in the
regular TV series did Naru (apparently larger?) chest actually CHANGE size
or something? Sometimes she'd look find but others...
(Of course, like Kitsune it could be something simple as not having the
right, erm, support all the time...)
youth
"Arnold Kim" <ki...@erols.com> wrote in message
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Like this one?
youth
"youth" <yout...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Like this one?
http://natoris.hp.infoseek.co.jp/6p/2kkk0613cm.jpg
... ;p
y o u t h
youth
Can't say I noticed it, but maybe the artists were feelin' horny or something
for that particular scene or episode. :)
g'day
youth
jet...@getnet.net
> <snippy>
>> I think I'd disagree here... at least in the dub, she wasn't gruff at all.
>> And to me at least she seems feminine... not the over-the-top, huge
> breasted
>> women that sometimes are portrayed in anime (note: compare Naru from Love
>> Hina in the manga, then the anime).
> Speaking of breasts, while I'm aware the manga&OAV follow the artstyle of
> Akamastu and the anime did some simplifying. Was it just me or in the
> regular TV series did Naru (apparently larger?) chest actually CHANGE size
> or something? Sometimes she'd look find but others...
Different studios anime different episodes, and sometimes go "off model"
by not paying enough attention to the model sheets, resulting in Naru's
variable bust. That or Kaolla Su has been testing something on Naru...
--
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Fight on strong 'till the sun goes down/
Raise your fist and wave it in the air like a flag
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Ethan Hammond
> > > news:slrnb5a35q.ter.Ant...@katsuragi.durchnull.ath.cx..
> > > > > Arnold Kim wrote:
> > > > > > "Ethan Hammond" <esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> > > news:3E53FA...@worldnet.att.net.
> > > > > >
> > > that these
> > > > > > > > people are gay without resorting to all these crappy cliches??
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Stereotypes in anime? I won't stand for this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What about the "all catgirls are cute" stereotype?:)
> > > > >
> > > > > Its not a stereotype if thats the way it is IRL sir!!!!
> > > > > *SHAKES FIST*
> > > >
> > > > So you have seen one IRL?
> > >
> > > Don't you know? He has one.
> > >
> > > Arnold Kim
> > >
> > >
>
> Like this one?
>
> http://natoris.hp.infoseek.co.jp/6p/2kkk0613cm.jpg
>
> ... ;p
Less cat like though ironically enough.
Nargun
> Psaiyan Prince Vegeta wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 06:08:33 GMT, Ethan Hammond
> > <esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >
> > >Psaiyan Prince Vegeta wrote:
> > >
> > >> >I don't think he is supposed to be gay.
> > >>
> > >> The line in which he claims to love Shinji is apparently a lot more
> > >> ambigious in the Japanese version.
> > >
> > >I've only seen the Japanese version. Can't guys shower together
> > >and sleep in the same room and bond without sexuality being
> > >brought into it!!!! *SHAKES FIST*
> >
> > Heh. For all we know they could have been drinking beer, shooting pool
> > and chasing skirt too, just that we never saw it...
>
> And if Shinji is gay its because his dad was too soft on him.
LOL. Indeed.
Louis
--
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"He was handicapped early in life by being born very young, and for a
number of months he was unable to walk and had to be carried around by his
mother." - Lennie Lower, "Plumbob, the Magic Plumber"
Ethan Hammond
>
> On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Ethan Hammond wrote:
>
> > Psaiyan Prince Vegeta wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 06:08:33 GMT, Ethan Hammond
> > > <esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Psaiyan Prince Vegeta wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> >I don't think he is supposed to be gay.
> > > >>
> > > >> The line in which he claims to love Shinji is apparently a lot more
> > > >> ambigious in the Japanese version.
> > > >
> > > >I've only seen the Japanese version. Can't guys shower together
> > > >and sleep in the same room and bond without sexuality being
> > > >brought into it!!!! *SHAKES FIST*
> > >
> > > Heh. For all we know they could have been drinking beer, shooting pool
> > > and chasing skirt too, just that we never saw it...
> >
> > And if Shinji is gay its because his dad was too soft on him.
>
> LOL. Indeed.
He was so spoiled getting his own Eva and getting to live with Mistato
and Asuka, and Shinji was still a punk, A PUNK!!!! *SHAKES FIST*
sanjian
> Nargun wrote:
> > > And if Shinji is gay its because his dad was too soft on him.
> >
> > LOL. Indeed.
>
> He was so spoiled getting his own Eva and getting to live with Mistato
> and Asuka, and Shinji was still a punk, A PUNK!!!! *SHAKES FIST*
I know.... You know what my dad would have said if I told him I was going
off to live with a twenty-something, sexually-needy hottie when I was a
teenager??? "What the hell are you still doing here, get to it, son!"
Hmm, ok so maybe that's not the breast example.
Eric the Read
> I know.... You know what my dad would have said if I told him I was going
> off to live with a twenty-something, sexually-needy hottie when I was a
> teenager??? "What the hell are you still doing here, get to it, son!"
>
> Hmm, ok so maybe that's not the breast example.
Excuse me miss, your Freudian slip is showing.
-=Eric
--
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typewriters, and Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare.
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Kiwi Li
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> "sanjian" <san...@widomaker.com> writes:
> > I know.... You know what my dad would have said if I told him I was
going
> > off to live with a twenty-something, sexually-needy hottie when I was a
> > teenager??? "What the hell are you still doing here, get to it, son!"
> >
> > Hmm, ok so maybe that's not the breast example.
> ^^^^^^
>
> Excuse me miss, your Freudian slip is showing.
Poor Sanjian... living on a boat has affected his state of mind...
^^;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
Kiwi Li
Dot Warner
> look and portrayed in a stereotypical way??
*blinks* They are? (More on this later)
> Maya is butch and boyish looking (short hair, flat chest, she dresses like a
> guy too). She knows a lot about how to fix things and her voice is almost
> gruff for a woman. I wasnt surprised to read that we later find out that she
> is a lesbian - she looks like a dyke.
And there's no real hint that she thinks of Ritsuko as anything other
than a role model except that one ambiguous scene in EoE. If she
conforms to any stereotype, it's the "younger student has an almost
crush-level worship of older, more wise person".
> Kaoru is drawn to look effeminate, he acts camp, likes 'arty' things (eg
> classical music), makes blatant come-ons to Shinji, minces around and has
> what I can only call a "faggy" voice.
As it is mentioned before, Kaworu's dialogue is much more vague in the
original Japanese. Plus, Kaworu probably isn't aware that guys just
don't take well to touchy-feely proclamations of love. Or suggestions
that they spend the night together. Or...
Yeah, it's suspcious that his Japanese seiyuu is infamous for
characters accused of being a "fruitcake" (Slayers' Xelloss, anyone),
but by this standard, then what are we supposed to say about Rei
(whose seiyuu is otherwise infamous for being ubergenkikawaii)?
> Do the writers and character disigners have no better way to show that these
> people are gay without resorting to all these crappy cliches??
Actually, I consider NGE a refreshing change from the usual
stereotypes.
Near the end of Dragon Ball Z, for example, there's a character called
"Otoko Suki"--"Likes Men". Now _here's_ a guy who's blatantly gay,
since he's blinking coquettishly and fawning over poor Trunks, who is
obviously not happy that this huge biker-type guy is gushing about how
"cute" he is.
As far as the bishonen ones, Sailor Moon's Fisheye was mistaken for a
girl several times, and Zoicite even got a gender change in the
American version due to his extreme devotion to Kunzite (um, that is
his name, right? Haven't seen the show in forever, so I don't remember
if that's correct.)
And let's not even get into Michiru and Haruka...
(Okay, just a little, from the Sailor Moon SS movie...
Michiru: I prefer being an adult. Adults get to have more fun. Isn't
that right, Haruka?
Haruka: *blushes and coughs*)
And then there's CLAMP's works, and _Gensomaden Saiyuki_, and the
leagues of yaoi doujinshi *shudders*, and...
If you've seen more anime (and I doubt you have, given what you've
written), you would have realized that the Japanese are not at all shy
to be extremely politically incorrect and use the most outrageous
caricatures to portray people. In this light, NGE is hardly an
offender.
-"Dot"
roshnikasumo
"Fish Eye no Miko" <fis...@deadmoon.circus> wrote in message
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> "roshnikasumo" <o...@spamspambrown.edu> wrote in message
> news:3e555...@news.teranews.com...
>
> > > The line in which he claims to love Shinji is apparently a lot
> > > more ambigious in the Japanese version.
> >
> > 'Suspicion' (I think arguiong the thing is both moot and rather stupid)
> > is exerbated by the fact his exceptional (male) voiceactor is Akira
> > Ishida, who infamously plays a lot of famous bishounen characters
> > and sometimes outright effeminate men, usually jobs reserved for
> > women.
>
> And at least two men I can think of who were openly attracted to men,
Hmm, I wonder. ^_^
Fish
> Eye from SMSS and Mizuki from _Level-C_.
*nod* Usually 'suave' men, too. (Koyasu, in contrast, seems to get a run of
TougaKiryuu-esque peppered with an over-the-top Hanagatatype one every once
in a while)
[Hmm, Ishida/Koyasu. *flee*]
Not to mention the rep got carried over to some of his other famous
characters. Xelloss from Slayers, while quite playful, isn't effeminate but
a lot of people seem to describe him that way.
roshnikasumo
"Peter Svensson" <sun1...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Likewise, while I admit Gendo's 'situation' is creepy and weird, I still
have no idea where people got the idea he's sexually actracted to Rei.
EVA in particular, is difficult to label in general (which is why I don't
bother). Everyone has a messed-up relationship with someone, and of COURSE a
lot of friendships are going to be close. I think pigeonholding is just
missing the point.
Fish Eye no Miko
news:89096a6.03022...@posting.google.com...
> As far as the bishonen ones, Sailor Moon's Fisheye was mistaken for
> a girl several times, and Zoicite even got a gender change in the
> American version
So did Fish Eye
Btw, FE is also voiced by Ishida Akira, Kowaru's seiyuu.
> due to his extreme devotion to Kunzite (um, that is his name,
> right? Haven't seen the show in forever, so I don't remember
> if that's correct.)
That's correct. And he's in love with Kunzite. He said as much.
Fish Eye no Miko
> "Fish Eye no Miko" <fis...@deadmoon.circus> wrote:
> > "roshnikasumo" <o...@spamspambrown.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > > The line in which he claims to love Shinji is apparently a lot
> > > > more ambigious in the Japanese version.
> > >
> > > 'Suspicion' (I think arguiong the thing is both moot and rather
stupid)
> > > is exerbated by the fact his exceptional (male) voiceactor is Akira
> > > Ishida, who infamously plays a lot of famous bishounen characters
> > > and sometimes outright effeminate men, usually jobs reserved for
> > > women.
> >
> > And at least two men I can think of who were openly attracted to men,
>
> Hmm, I wonder. ^_^
About what?
> > Fish Eye from SMSS and Mizuki from _Level-C_.
>
> *nod* Usually 'suave' men, too. (Koyasu, in contrast, seems to get a
> run of TougaKiryuu-esque peppered with an over-the-top Hanagatatype
> one every once in a while)
???
> [Hmm, Ishida/Koyasu. *flee*]
I wish I knew what the hell you were talking about...
> Not to mention the rep got carried over to some of his other famous
> characters. Xelloss from Slayers, while quite playful, isn't effeminate
> but a lot of people seem to describe him that way.
Yeah...
I also don't get the "pain slut" thing (ie, claims that he's a
masochist)... Xelloss seems no more or less pleased about getting hurt
than anyone else in anime.
Catherine Johnson.
--
no mail
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-George Carlin.
Shiranui Gen-An
"goat" <go...@goat.goat> wrote in message
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> Has anyone else noticed that the homosexual characters (Maya and Kaoru)
are
> look and portrayed in a stereotypical way??
these
> people are gay without resorting to all these crappy cliches??
Who cares? They're Japanese; they don't have to be politically correct.
Only the US obsesses over that nonsense.
Fake Name
> He was so spoiled getting his own Eva and getting to live with Mistato
> and Asuka, and Shinji was still a punk, A PUNK!!!! *SHAKES FIST*
>
> --
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will you stop shaking your fist?
Fake Name
Fish Eye no Miko
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> is anyone taken aback by goat's use the words "dyke"
> and "faggy"?
I just use that old rule: "Consider the source".
Frank White
Be careful what you ask for.
He may start shaking YOUR fist!
^_^
FW
Frank White
Spoilers for NGE
Rei's a clone (with some Angel DNA mixed in) of Yui, Gendo's
wife. If he was sexually attracted to Yui - and with Shinji
around, I think it's safe to say he was - it follows he would
be sexually attracted to Rei.
And Rei is pretty much the only one towards whom Gendo shows
any real kindness...
>EVA in particular, is difficult to label in general (which is why I don't
>bother). Everyone has a messed-up relationship with someone, and of COURSE
a
>lot of friendships are going to be close. I think pigeonholding is just
>missing the point.
The only one who knows the truth behind all the relationships in
NGE is Anno.
Maybe.
^_^
FW
K. A. Pezzano
<o...@spamspambrown.edu> wrote:
>Likewise, while I admit Gendo's 'situation' is creepy and weird, I still
>have no idea where people got the idea he's sexually actracted to Rei.
>
Maybe because she's a hot young teenage clone of his beloved yet
deceased wife, with the added bonus of wearing a really tight outfit
most of the time (and has no compunctions about being naked in front
of other people).
Just a guess, though.
kesi...@math.ttu.edu
: Heh. For all we know they could have been drinking beer, shooting pool
: and chasing skirt too, just that we never saw it...
Maybe this is one of those NGEs-that-might-have-been, like Shinji's
vision of the stereotypical school-anime in ep26.
Kaoru: ``Hey, Shinji''
Shinji: ``Yeah?''
K: ``BUUURRRRP''
S: ``Not bad. *swigs bottle* BELLLLCH''
K: ``Seven ball off the rail, side pocket *shoots*''
S: ``Lucky shot. Hey, get a load of that chick over there. HEY, BABY! YOW!''
K: ``SHAKE IT!''
Rei: *stares blankly*
K: ``Hey, do you think your dad's giong to be pissed we're drinking
all his beer?''
==Jake
Psaiyan Prince Vegeta
wrote:
>Rei's a clone (with some Angel DNA mixed in) of Yui, Gendo's
>wife. If he was sexually attracted to Yui - and with Shinji
>around, I think it's safe to say he was - it follows he would
>be sexually attracted to Rei.
>
>And Rei is pretty much the only one towards whom Gendo shows
>any real kindness...
I can certainly imagine some creepy goings-on involving Gendo dressing
Rei up in Yui's old clothes and make-up and making her play with
herself in front of him, whilst he just sits and watches...
>>EVA in particular, is difficult to label in general (which is why I don't
>>bother). Everyone has a messed-up relationship with someone, and of COURSE
>a
>>lot of friendships are going to be close. I think pigeonholding is just
>>missing the point.
>
>The only one who knows the truth behind all the relationships in
>NGE is Anno.
>
>Maybe.
Naa, he was just doing an X Files - i.e. the ancient art of 'making up
the plot as you go along, changing your mind several times,
contradicting yourself repeatedly and then pretending that you meant
it all in the beginning anyway in order to appear deep'. ^_^
--
Reverend David "PPV" Hawthorne -
This guy is burning the fire of delight.
Fancy cola through the night?
Hold me tightly and grab the light,
Submarine - burning in Hell.
'\
_\______
/ HENTAI \========@
____|__________\_____
/ ___________________ \
\/ _===============_ \/
"-===============-"
Psaiyan Prince Vegeta
And that Gendo, despite being a skinny, weasly looking guy with a
dodgy beard, funny eyes and no visible emotions actually gets more
poontang than anyone else in the series...
Psaiyan Prince Vegeta
wrote:
>is anyone taken aback by goat's use the words "dyke" and "faggy"?
Nope. Not at all. Goat has frequently referred to Videl Satan (*my*
Videl!) as a 'dyke'.
5parrowhawk
> Kaoru: ``Hey, Shinji''
> Shinji: ``Yeah?''
> K: ``BUUURRRRP''
> S: ``Not bad. *swigs bottle* BELLLLCH''
My first reaction to that was: Misato's gonna be way pissed when she
finds her fridge empty...
- 5parrow
Ethan Hammond
>
> "Ethan Hammond" <esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:3E5614...@worldnet.att.net..
>
> > > > And if Shinji is gay its because his dad was too soft on him.
> > >
> > > LOL. Indeed.
> >
> > He was so spoiled getting his own Eva and getting to live with Mistato
> > and Asuka, and Shinji was still a punk, A PUNK!!!! *SHAKES FIST*
>
> I know.... You know what my dad would have said if I told him I was going
> off to live with a twenty-something, sexually-needy hottie when I was a
> teenager??? "What the hell are you still doing here, get to it, son!"
>
> Hmm, ok so maybe that's not the breast example.
Thats a little innuendo.
Ethan Hammond
You tell him.
Ethan Hammond
>
> Ethan Hammond wrote:
>
> > He was so spoiled getting his own Eva and getting to live with Mistato
> > and Asuka, and Shinji was still a punk, A PUNK!!!! *SHAKES FIST*
> will you stop shaking your fist?
When pigs fly KNAVE!!!!
Fox Lee
compose a decent followup message header to lure the rare and wild
"goat" <go...@goat.goat> to our campsite. We have, however, recorded
its cry, as heard on Wed, 19 Feb 2003 21:02:36 -0000, which is as
follows:
>Has anyone else noticed that the homosexual characters (Maya and Kaoru) are
>look and portrayed in a stereotypical way??
Can't say I have.
>Maya is butch and boyish looking (short hair, flat chest, she dresses like a
>guy too). She knows a lot about how to fix things and her voice is almost
>gruff for a woman. I wasnt surprised to read that we later find out that she
>is a lesbian - she looks like a dyke.
If being a nerd, having short hair and wearing pants makes you a
lesbian stereotype, I guess I should tell my fiancee the engagement is
off...
And anyway, Maya may be sort of boyish, but she sure as hell isn't
butch. Has she ever done anything tough? Has she ever been assertive
or controlling? Hell, refer EoE to see how well she handles the idea
of killing somebody.
>Kaoru is drawn to look effeminate, he acts camp, likes 'arty' things (eg
>classical music), makes blatant come-ons to Shinji, minces around and has
>what I can only call a "faggy" voice.
Dude, he doesn't even have long hair. In a genre with bishounen left
right and centre, he hardly looks as "gay" as he could O_o;
BTW, if it interests you, steretypically gay characters in anime
usually have very low voices, not voices that Westerners would
typically consider "faggy".
More to the point, I don't Kaoru was supposed to be particularly male,
anyways. I think he was deliberately as close to the gender-line as
they could get him.
>Do the writers and character disigners have no better way to show that these
>people are gay without resorting to all these crappy cliches??
Maybe they were just trying to make them attractive?
Fox Lee
compose a decent followup message header to lure the rare and wild
however, recorded its cry, as heard on Sat, 22 Feb 2003 13:53:12 GMT,
which is as follows:
I tend to think he probably isn't sexually attracted to her. That
could be related to the fact that I have a hard time imagining Gendo
being sexually attracted to anyone or anything /including/ Yui. But it
seem sto me at least that he cares for Rei in a deeper kind of way. I
hate the guy, but she does seem to be his one big redemption.
Fox Lee
compose a decent followup message header to lure the rare and wild
recorded its cry, as heard on Sat, 22 Feb 2003 01:16:36 GMT, which is
as follows:
>is anyone taken aback by goat's use the words "dyke" and "faggy"?
In that it leads me to suspect (s)he is a cleverly-disguised troll,
yes. I mean, somebody who uses words like "butch" and "faggy"
complaining about gay stereotypes? :p
sanjian
Not really. It may not be nice, but it's not exactly scandal.
sanjian
news:104568856...@iris.uk.clara.net...
are
> look and portrayed in a stereotypical way??
>
a
> guy too). She knows a lot about how to fix things and her voice is almost
> gruff for a woman. I wasnt surprised to read that we later find out that
she
> is a lesbian - she looks like a dyke.
Ok, short hair, I really don't care one way or another about, but your
slight of small chests cannot go overlooked! A girl doen't have to be
r4xx0r3d to be attractive or feminine. Maya's build would be more slim or
athletic than boyish. And, having spent alot of time around runners (my
cousin ran Cross-Country, so I knew most of the track and XC teams), I can
tell you that athleticism does not always (or even usually) mean manishness.
As far as her ability to fix things, there are few anime generalizations as
cute as the techy-geeky girl. Now, if we could only get her to wear
glasses....
Frank White
fox...@dodo.arespamblocksreallynecessary?.com.au says...
And he still sends Rei II on a suicide mission without hesitation.
I think Gendo is beyond redemption.
FW
Psaiyan Prince Vegeta
wrote:
>As far as her ability to fix things, there are few anime generalizations as
>cute as the techy-geeky girl. Now, if we could only get her to wear
>glasses....
That's why we have Ritsuko...
Chika
Shiranui Gen-An <shiran...@supamu-ga-kirai-da.bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Who cares? They're Japanese; they don't have to be politically correct.
> Only the US obsesses over that nonsense.
*sigh* Don't be so sure about that. It's contageous... :(
--
//\ // Chika <miyuki at crashnet.org.uk>
// \// MMW Crashnet <crashnet.org.uk>
... A trampoline is for cunning stunts, a truncheon for apprehending criminals
Chika
<san...@widomaker.com> wrote:
> As far as her ability to fix things, there are few anime generalizations
> as cute as the techy-geeky girl. Now, if we could only get her to wear
> glasses....
Well.... I always thought that YUA's Miyuki was cute...
--
//\ // Chika <miyuki at crashnet.org.uk>
// \// MMW Crashnet <crashnet.org.uk>
... Mental Floss prevents Moral Decay.
Chika
Vegeta <ppve...@hotmail.communism> wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 14:29:30 GMT, "sanjian" <san...@widomaker.com>
> wrote:
> >As far as her ability to fix things, there are few anime
> >generalizations as cute as the techy-geeky girl. Now, if we could only
> >get her to wear glasses....
> That's why we have Ritsuko...
Nah. She's a mummy's girl... ;)
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// \// MMW Crashnet <crashnet.org.uk>
... It's not in the manual !!!!!
Fox Lee
compose a decent followup message header to lure the rare and wild
however, recorded its cry, as heard on 22 Feb 2003 14:26:13 GMT, which
is as follows:
>>I tend to think he probably isn't sexually attracted to her. That
>>could be related to the fact that I have a hard time imagining Gendo
>>being sexually attracted to anyone or anything /including/ Yui. But it
>>seem sto me at least that he cares for Rei in a deeper kind of way. I
>>hate the guy, but she does seem to be his one big redemption.
>
>And he still sends Rei II on a suicide mission without hesitation.
>
>I think Gendo is beyond redemption.
Hrm. Good point ^^;;
roshnikasumo
"Fox Lee" <fox...@dodo.arespamblocksreallynecessary?.com.au> wrote in
message news:ug7f5vgc66ejcegj3...@4ax.com...
Yeah, this is what I mean. Certainly there's a weird emotional bonus to
having Rei around but I think it's more 'child' like. He has a
kid/daughter/etc around, but who won't ever question his authority and
luckily reminds him of the only person he ever gave five flying figs about.
I don't think ever emotionally mistakes her FOR Yui.
You could say the same (well maybe less since it's a more 'normal'
situation) Asuka gets mad at Shinji not because she thinks he likes her & is
romantically jealous, but because she's possessive and wants attention.
roshnikasumo
"Dot Warner" <dot_wa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:89096a6.03022...@posting.google.com...
> > Has anyone else noticed that the homosexual characters (Maya and Kaoru)
are
> > look and portrayed in a stereotypical way??
>
>
> > Maya is butch and boyish looking (short hair, flat chest, she dresses
like a
> > guy too). She knows a lot about how to fix things and her voice is
almost
> > gruff for a woman. I wasnt surprised to read that we later find out that
she
> > is a lesbian - she looks like a dyke.
>
> than a role model except that one ambiguous scene in EoE. If she
> conforms to any stereotype, it's the "younger student has an almost
> crush-level worship of older, more wise person".
If you want to go by merchandise (cagey in general), it IS implied Maya
seems to have a crush on Ritsuko, at least. And in the long run, isn't very
important anyway seeing as Maya's just a sideline chaarcter.
>
> > Kaoru is drawn to look effeminate, he acts camp, likes 'arty' things (eg
> > classical music), makes blatant come-ons to Shinji, minces around and
has
> > what I can only call a "faggy" voice.
>
> As it is mentioned before, Kaworu's dialogue is much more vague in the
> original Japanese. Plus, Kaworu probably isn't aware that guys just
> don't take well to touchy-feely proclamations of love. Or suggestions
> that they spend the night together. Or...
Or likely, knowing how cagey and suspicious Shinji is about emotions, it'd
pay for him to be completely frank and honest when speaking to him.
>
> Yeah, it's suspcious that his Japanese seiyuu is infamous for
> characters accused of being a "fruitcake" (Slayers' Xelloss, anyone),
> but by this standard, then what are we supposed to say about Rei
> (whose seiyuu is otherwise infamous for being ubergenkikawaii)?
>
> > Do the writers and character disigners have no better way to show that
these
> > people are gay without resorting to all these crappy cliches??
>
> Actually, I consider NGE a refreshing change from the usual
> stereotypes.
*nod* GAINAX in general, while sometimes using their own 'cliches' (a lot of
their own chara are similar to each other) tend to explicit twist overused
character types into more creative & interesting versions.
>
> Near the end of Dragon Ball Z, for example, there's a character called
> "Otoko Suki"--"Likes Men". Now _here's_ a guy who's blatantly gay,
> since he's blinking coquettishly and fawning over poor Trunks, who is
> obviously not happy that this huge biker-type guy is gushing about how
> "cute" he is.
>
> As far as the bishonen ones, Sailor Moon's Fisheye was mistaken for a
> girl several times
And in that case it was very understable; he wasn't 'vaguely' bishounen like
many other characters and usually aimed to look the part.
, and Zoicite even got a gender change in the
> American version due to his extreme devotion to Kunzite (um, that is
> his name, right? Haven't seen the show in forever, so I don't remember
> if that's correct.)
Original? yeah.
>
> And let's not even get into Michiru and Haruka...
> (Okay, just a little, from the Sailor Moon SS movie...
> Michiru: I prefer being an adult. Adults get to have more fun. Isn't
> that right, Haruka?
> Haruka: *blushes and coughs*)
>
> And then there's CLAMP's works, and _Gensomaden Saiyuki_, and the
> leagues of yaoi doujinshi *shudders*, and...
>
> If you've seen more anime (and I doubt you have, given what you've
> written), you would have realized that the Japanese are not at all shy
> to be extremely politically incorrect and use the most outrageous
> caricatures to portray people. In this light, NGE is hardly an
> offender.
>
> -"Dot"
roshnikasumo
> > Not to mention the rep got carried over to some of his other famous
> > characters. Xelloss from Slayers, while quite playful, isn't effeminate
> > but a lot of people seem to describe him that way.
>
> Yeah...
I guess it's also possible people identify a darkish, overly playful,
not-quite-villianous character with some of the cheesier yaoi sterotypes out
there.
> I also don't get the "pain slut" thing (ie, claims that he's a
> masochist)... Xelloss seems no more or less pleased about getting hurt
> than anyone else in anime.
>
That whole thing I think comes from a bizzare misinterpretation of how
Makozu get their power: from suffering. Problem is it'ss from the suffering
of others, not their own. And while the idea of a masochistic demon might be
cool, Slayers never presents us with that IIRC.
Some people point to how he doesn't seem to mind when Lina beats on him, but
1) that's usually comedic 2) Xellos KNOWS he's fairly invulnerable and
figures it's worth getting a few punches if he can have fun teasing her
(which no one else usually gets away with).
Fish Eye no Miko
news:3e57b0ac$1...@news.teranews.com...
> "Dot Warner" <dot_wa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > As far as the bishonen ones, Sailor Moon's Fisheye was
> > mistaken for a girl several times
>
> And in that case it was very understable; he wasn't 'vaguely'
> bishounen like many other characters and usually aimed to look
> the part.
Eh...? What do you mean he wasn't 'vaguely' bishounen? Do you mean he was
more than, or not at all?
Catherine Johnson.
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Fake Name
> >will you stop shaking your fist?
>
> Be careful what you ask for.
>
> He may start shaking YOUR fist!
>
> ^_^
>
> FW
i would to see him try. i have been known to keep my hands open. i don't
think he can force me make a fist and shake it at the same time.
sanjian
news:1m4f5vo8c7q6i2aof...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 14:29:30 GMT, "sanjian" <san...@widomaker.com>
> wrote:
>
> >As far as her ability to fix things, there are few anime generalizations
as
> >cute as the techy-geeky girl. Now, if we could only get her to wear
> >glasses....
>
> That's why we have Ritsuko...
Dunno, for some reason, Ritsuko just doesn't cut it, not sure why.
sanjian
news:4bc8d0a8...@argonet.co.uk...
> In article <ePL5a.48965$P1.32...@news1.east.cox.net>, sanjian
> <san...@widomaker.com> wrote:
>
> > As far as her ability to fix things, there are few anime generalizations
> > as cute as the techy-geeky girl. Now, if we could only get her to wear
> > glasses....
>
> Well.... I always thought that YUA's Miyuki was cute...
Nod, nod. It's a toss up between Miyuki and Yuriko. Of course, I imagine
there are some people on the group that prefer Aoi...
Psaiyan Prince Vegeta
wrote:
She also has the creepy and evil factors on her side, which make a
difference, it must be said.
Chika
> Nod, nod. It's a toss up between Miyuki and Yuriko. Of course, I
> imagine there are some people on the group that prefer Aoi...
Well, she... er... he... it... whatever, is a bloody good golfer! Although
from the manga, I always thought the funniest Aoi bit was the punishment
of the panty bandit...
What spoilt Yuriko for me was that scene where she catches Ken
"birdwatching" in the OAV's. Too much helium in the voice. Ugh!
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WOO! Aoi!
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Chika
<sk...@goddos.net> wrote:
> > Nod, nod. It's a toss up between Miyuki and Yuriko. Of course, I
> > imagine there are some people on the group that prefer Aoi...
> WOO! Aoi!
Hmm... O.O
hehehe
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sanjian
He doesn't have to do it at the same time. Duct tape will allow him to do
it sequentially.
sanjian
> In article <s8S5a.52000$P1.34...@news1.east.cox.net>, sanjian
> <san...@widomaker.com> wrote:
> > > Well.... I always thought that YUA's Miyuki was cute...
>
> > Nod, nod. It's a toss up between Miyuki and Yuriko. Of course, I
> > imagine there are some people on the group that prefer Aoi...
>
> Well, she... er... he... it... whatever, is a bloody good golfer! Although
PGA or WPGA????
> from the manga, I always thought the funniest Aoi bit was the punishment
> of the panty bandit...
Heh. That was just wrong.
> What spoilt Yuriko for me was that scene where she catches Ken
> "birdwatching" in the OAV's. Too much helium in the voice. Ugh!
Maybe, but she was sooooo kawaii in that scene.
Psaiyan Prince Vegeta
wrote:
Duck tape is like The Force: It has a light side and a dark side, and
it binds the universe together.
K. A. Pezzano
wrote:
>In article <1m4f5vo8c7q6i2aof...@4ax.com>, Psaiyan Prince
>Vegeta <ppve...@hotmail.communism> wrote:
>> On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 14:29:30 GMT, "sanjian" <san...@widomaker.com>
>> wrote:
>
>> >As far as her ability to fix things, there are few anime
>> >generalizations as cute as the techy-geeky girl. Now, if we could only
>> >get her to wear glasses....
>
>> That's why we have Ritsuko...
>
>Nah. She's a mummy's girl... ;)
>
Imhotep, no!!
Frank White
san...@widomaker.com says...
She's too cold. She's like Ifurita from El Hazard, the OAV
version: As pretty and slicing as frost. And Ritusko doesn't
have a Makoto to free her soul...
FW
Frank White
James M
are so like Aeon Flux its hard to believe Peter Chung only did the visual
design and not the story also. Pythogoris as the leader of a radical assasin
cult for instance!
Amasing stuff, 1 part history-1part myth- 2 parts Aeon Flux.
> "Seek out a kingdom worthy of your soul."
> -From the theme song to_Reign_.
>
>
kesi...@math.ttu.edu
: i would to see him try. i have been known to keep my hands open. i don't
: think he can force me make a fist and shake it at the same time.
Never underestimate the powers of the Ethan.
==Jake
Fox Lee
compose a decent followup message header to lure the rare and wild
recorded its cry, as heard on Sat, 22 Feb 2003 14:29:30 GMT, which is
as follows:
>Ok, short hair, I really don't care one way or another about, but your
>slight of small chests cannot go overlooked! A girl doen't have to be
>r4xx0r3d to be attractive or feminine. Maya's build would be more slim or
>athletic than boyish. And, having spent alot of time around runners (my
>cousin ran Cross-Country, so I knew most of the track and XC teams), I can
>tell you that athleticism does not always (or even usually) mean manishness.
>
>As far as her ability to fix things, there are few anime generalizations as
>cute as the techy-geeky girl. Now, if we could only get her to wear
>glasses....
I actually thought it was nice to see an anime geek-girl who didn't
wear glasses for once. They just don't do it for me... at least, not
on girls. But then, MIsato is my woman of choice from Eva. Mrrrowr...
*___*
Fish Eye no Miko
news:3e58...@snipnews.snip.net...
> > "Seek out a kingdom worthy of your soul."
> > -From the theme song to_Reign_.
>
> Just saw the first 4 ep of that.(Riegn) Can only say WOW!. The
> quirky bits are so like Aeon Flux its hard to believe Peter Chung
> only did the visual design and not the story also. Pythogoris as the
> leader of a radical assasin cult for instance!
I fid that part boring, We know Alex isn't gonna be killed by these guys,
so... whatever.
> Amasing stuff, 1 part history-1part myth- 2 parts Aeon Flux.
I just wish they'd give Hephastion a larger role. This dude was
Alexander's BEST FRIEND and we barely see him in the series! What the
hell?
Catherine Johnson.
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Fish Eye no Miko
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> Chika <miy...@spam.no.way> wrote:
> >Psaiyan Prince Vegeta <ppve...@hotmail.communism> wrote:
> >
> >> That's why we have Ritsuko...
> >
> >Nah. She's a mummy's girl... ;)
> >
> Imhotep, no!!
Imhotep, YES!
Catherine Johnson.
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Damn skippy. *Plays the imperial march*
Nargun
Ritsuko is EVIL, pretty much about as evil as Gendou. Your generic techy
girl is pretty generous, friendly, nice, etc.
Louis
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